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Speaker 3: Break it On, Break it.

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Speaker 2: On, tuckdown Saving Colin swam to the ground by fooda

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Speaker 2: baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: So last we left you, we were talking how the

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Speaker 2: NFL network termed week one with a question? Right? They said,

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Speaker 2: is week one a liar? I'm wondering if after week

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Speaker 2: two in the NFL, if we need to ask, are

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Speaker 2: you a believer? What do you think week one?

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Speaker 3: What are you? Dione Sanders?

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Speaker 2: I'm just good one, good one. Darren all right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Darren's on points. He's game ready. Here for this edition

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Speaker 2: of Cardinals Underground. Paul Calvic, Danny surrec Danny, you are

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Speaker 2: over there right.

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Speaker 4: I'm here present.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're so quiet. You know there's minus the call

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Speaker 2: over there.

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Speaker 5: No, well, I have a cough dropping right now, so

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Speaker 5: just wait a couple of minutes till that comes back. Paul,

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Speaker 5: we're like eleven seconds into the podcast. What do you

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Speaker 5: mean I'm quiet. I'm letting you do your thing.

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Speaker 4: Bring us in.

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Speaker 2: You're right, I'm posing the question off the top. If

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Speaker 2: week one is a liar, then week two are you

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Speaker 2: a believer? So, Danny, I put it to you. Two

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Speaker 2: in Oh, Atlanta, are you believing? Two? And O Tampa Bay?

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Speaker 2: Are you believing? Two? And oh Washington? Are you a believer? No?

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Speaker 2: Or if you want to go the other way? Oh

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Speaker 2: and two Cincinnati? Oh and two Chargers No, oh and

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Speaker 2: two Minnesota. No.

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Speaker 6: I'm telling you right now. If Joe Burrow is down

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Speaker 6: and he doesn't look good when an offense hasn't look

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Speaker 6: good when he's been playing, I mean that's a little frightening.

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Speaker 2: He's coming to town in two weeks? No, three, three weeks?

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Speaker 2: Oh that's true?

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Speaker 4: Well no, Yah, cow Boys for Bengals.

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Speaker 2: There you go. And as for the Cardinals, as we

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Speaker 2: come full circle here, they've lost two games by a

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Speaker 2: combined seven points. So what do we believe about the

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Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals after two games.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think we absolutely believe that they aren't nearly

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Speaker 6: as bad as everybody kept saying they were going to be.

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Speaker 6: I think the the DVA rankings, which take into account

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Speaker 6: it's very complicated kind of analytics system, but it basically

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Speaker 6: takes into account everybody in the league and averages and

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Speaker 6: all this stuff. But they basically rank and it's a

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Speaker 6: fairly fair way to say how a team is playing.

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Speaker 6: They're eighteenth in the NFL right now, which obviously isn't

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Speaker 6: near the top, but it's certainly nowhere near the bottom.

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Speaker 2: No Cardinals were supposed to be allegedly an outlier, I mean,

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Speaker 4: League, right right behind Houston.

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Speaker 2: Yet there they are. For example, they're in the top

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Speaker 2: it's a very different Cardinals team that maybe the NFL

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Speaker 2: was expecting that we all saw in the preseason in August.

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Speaker 2: But maybe now the NFL, like happens a lot of times.

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Speaker 2: around who exactly the Cardinals are.

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Speaker 5: What's interesting is there's been some good that's come of

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Speaker 5: these two games. I know Cardinals fans, understandably to a

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Speaker 5: certain degree, don't want to hear that because those two

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Speaker 5: games have ended in losses. But those two games are

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Speaker 5: games that this team could have won. And whether that

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Speaker 5: makes you feel better or worse, that's on you. I'm

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Speaker 5: consistently looked good. The problem that has been consistent through

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Speaker 5: Colonels have had to lead both games, and to their

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Speaker 5: if it's coaching, whatever that might be, there is clearly

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Speaker 2: Paul, Yeah, you've been outscored in the fourth quarter of

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Speaker 2: it's u And look, I always struggle with this because historically,

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Speaker 2: if you're close on the scoreboard, it doesn't necessarily mean

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Speaker 2: you're close in the standings, meaning doesn't necessarily equate to

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Speaker 2: your close to being a winning team. For example, last year,

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Speaker 2: a lot of close games from the Minnesota Vikings. Everybody

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Speaker 2: knows the stat eleven to zero one score games. That

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Speaker 2: score games the Houston Texans, and they had the second

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Speaker 2: you have to figure out a way to bridge that

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Speaker 2: be coming a winning team. You've got to figure that out.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and seven, for example, Ken Wizenu's first year,

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Speaker 2: ended up eight to eight. They lost most of those

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Speaker 2: jump the next year. There could be something similar a

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Speaker 6: Although I have to say, and it's funny that you

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Speaker 6: bring that up, because I was just watching a bunch

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Speaker 6: of two thousand and seven and two thousand and eight

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Speaker 3: I'm getting now, why would that be Darren for folk Tales?

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Speaker 2: Okay, you don't ever our office, Paul, you don't just

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Speaker 2: watch fifteen year old video just for fun on your

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Speaker 6: I don't know if I would just be saying taking

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Speaker 3: But anyways, ouch Well can always get worse. But just

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Speaker 6: Looking at that team and and those close games, it's

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Speaker 6: funny you say they took a big jump they made

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Speaker 6: the Super Bowl the next year, right, but their record

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Speaker 6: was only a game better.

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Speaker 3: They went from eight to eighty. That's really all that happens.

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Speaker 2: True and truth be told, Every year is different, Every

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Speaker 2: team's different. I mean, they had some stars who were

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Speaker 2: under you lies like Larry fitzgiald And and Kwan Bolden. Then

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Speaker 2: they added Editor and James. I get it. I'm just

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Speaker 2: saying that it's part of the evolution. And some teams

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Speaker 2: never bridge that gap. They never become a winning team

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Speaker 2: because they can never quite find enough to win those

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Speaker 2: close games. For example, we could ask the question, did

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals get worn down in that second half, especially

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Speaker 2: defensively in the fourth quarter, And I'm with you, Danny

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Speaker 2: definitely looked that way to me. When Carlos Watkins is

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Speaker 2: Strong are getting the majority of the snaps, way more

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Speaker 2: to me, that was a liability and the Giants knew

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Speaker 2: it and they targeted it, just like they targeted Marco

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Speaker 2: counter a team's increased intensity. For example, you can't tell

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Speaker 2: me that at halftime Brian Dable wasn't yell at the

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Speaker 2: there's just a realization because they know where they're at.

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Speaker 2: We're staring zing two straight in the face, down twenty

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Speaker 2: on Thursday night. Maybe the best team in the league.

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Speaker 2: Road team on Thursday night historically does not farewell. We

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Speaker 2: better figure this out right now. And so you got

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Speaker 2: increased intensity from the Giants. And even if the Cardinals

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Speaker 6: It's weird because I mean, I keep thinking and and

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Speaker 6: again it's the old.

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Speaker 3: Clancy Pendergast.

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Speaker 6: Hey, we if we didn't give up that eighty five

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Speaker 6: had a really good rushing defense. And okay, that's true,

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Speaker 6: but you did give those up, and those are part

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Speaker 2: Every counts.

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Speaker 6: But I wonder sometimes if that first bomb at the

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Speaker 6: beginning of the second half doesn't connect, how things are different.

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Speaker 6: And even then, the Cardinals looked fantastic answering that first

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Speaker 6: you just you can't, you can't, don't. I don't know

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Speaker 6: if the offense let down as much. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 6: You got to make some plays. But I think the Giants,

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Speaker 6: it's funny if we were doing these other thing. We'd

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Speaker 6: the first half of that game, not how great the

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Speaker 2: I mean, you want to talk about a bomb, how

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Speaker 2: about the first possession of the game for the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: and the Zach Ertz touchdown that should have been Ertz

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Speaker 2: was plenty frustrated when he got to the sideline, and

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Speaker 2: I get it. You work all week for that opportunity.

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Speaker 2: There's your chance. That's the one shot, deep wide opening,

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Speaker 2: oh just outside his reach. So I remember when that happened,

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Speaker 2: and then you missed the fifty five yard field goal.

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Speaker 2: I remember saying during the commercial break, well, I hope

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Speaker 2: And at twenty to noth ingay a halftime, they weren't.

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Speaker 5: And then when the Cardinals get the ball with what

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Speaker 5: that as well, because it was a different type of

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Speaker 6: Well, and what bothered me, I mean, penalties are always

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Speaker 6: not all created equal. The Stills penalty is a great example.

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Speaker 6: Kaizer White already had that sack sack. That play was

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Speaker 2: You go from third and six to third and sixteen,

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Speaker 2: the odds are. It's not just the Cardinals in that game.

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Speaker 2: it mildly. So yeah, I mean, because you look at

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Speaker 2: And when you as the question, because I know everybody

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Speaker 2: the film, but I did get verification that, yeah, there

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Speaker 2: So all right, and think about it. James Connor in

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Speaker 2: that touchdown, driving the third quarter eight place seventy five yards,

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Speaker 2: what does that mean exactly? And then of course there's

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Speaker 2: the Buddha factor. True or false. If Buddha Baker's on

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Speaker 5: I would like to think in any situation, Buddha Baker

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Speaker 5: what Buddha brings to this team, how different would that

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Speaker 5: him on the field. And that doesn't all need to

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Speaker 5: fall on Buddha Baker's shoulders. That's not fair to him, right,

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Speaker 5: These are adults. You are responsible, this is your job.

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Speaker 5: But having Buddha out there really does add a different

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Speaker 5: Gannon told Baker to stay home and rest, and I'm

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Speaker 5: sure he was getting treatment. And I did have that

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Speaker 3: Different look I see.

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Speaker 6: I don't I mean, obviously good you can't more good

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Speaker 6: having them, not having him changes the time. I mean,

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Speaker 6: you didn't have him in the first half, and that

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Speaker 2: And I threw that question Lorenzo Alexander and here's here's

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Speaker 2: linked it to the explosives. Nick Rowlis had nine explosives

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Speaker 2: when you see Saquon Barkley breaking some of those arm

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Speaker 2: right away. So he didn't get a lot of those

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Speaker 2: He said, well, if the intensity or urgency was waning,

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Speaker 2: get everybody ratcheted up. He's the unquestioned team leader on

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Speaker 2: into my next point, the running of Daniel Jones. Does

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Speaker 2: Buddha Baker's on the field, if maybe even Boodh Baker's

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Speaker 6: But if you are gonna spy, you're still doing that

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Speaker 6: spying with Buddha. Oh Buddha's not here, Well, no, never mind,

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Speaker 6: we won't spy. That's not how that works.

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Speaker 2: It's not like you can take anybody on the defense

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Speaker 2: I mean you would have like a Jalen Thompson, he's

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Speaker 2: So I don't know. I don't know if there's as

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Speaker 6: Okay, that's fair, But so what you're saying is we're

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Speaker 6: just gonna let him run. Like I guess, I'm confused.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, you wouldn't if you feel like Daniel Jones

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Speaker 6: I get that point, but I don't I don't understand.

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Speaker 6: I mean, just because you have an injury doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying they left Daniel Jones unaccounted for, but

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Speaker 2: spy on certain guys in the league. That's all. And look,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there was a plan that had Daniel Jones

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Speaker 2: four games at least, and history says the Cardinals defense,

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Speaker 2: So there is definitely the Bunge factor out there. What

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Speaker 5: I think concerned when you look at your next four

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Speaker 4: We know very well what that offense can do.

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Speaker 5: The Bengals is the question mark at the moment, of

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Speaker 2: Then you have the Rams and Seahawks, Rams and Seahawks.

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Speaker 5: So not having Buddha Baker, I mean even defensive corner

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Speaker 5: Nick Ralis said Tuesday that you would need all eleven

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Speaker 5: of that. And that's not realistic to ask. You just

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Speaker 5: You have to ask Kevon Wallace. You have to have

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Speaker 2: There's just something about the football IQ isn't nearly what

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Speaker 2: went south in a hurry. Now, I'm not predicting that

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair.

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Speaker 6: I mean, again, when you're talking about arguably the best

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Speaker 6: You know, the question becomes how much how much do

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Speaker 3: You know, it's.

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Speaker 6: I just I'm curious to know exactly how this is

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 6: So then it's when you're talking about playing those teams,

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Speaker 6: is it maybe more about what can the Josh Dobbs

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Speaker 5: You're now without your best player on offense and Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 2: You're right, And what do we talk about in the

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Speaker 2: preseason that you know what is currently constructed the Cardinals

438
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Speaker 2: depth chart when everyone's healthy. We like the looks of this.

439
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Speaker 2: That's so enough. I mean, you know you can compete

440
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Speaker 2: with this, and they showed that in Week one. You

441
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Speaker 2: can definitely compete. They showed it in the first half

442
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Speaker 2: against the Giants. But you start taking key players off

443
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Speaker 2: this roster, you take starters off this depth chart. You

444
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Speaker 2: do not have the depth like some other teams half

445
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Speaker 2: well to replace these guys.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and that was the importance of the rotation. And

447
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Speaker 5: then when you don't have l J. Collier with a

448
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Speaker 5: biceps who's on IR, When you don't have Lucky Foto

449
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Speaker 5: who was inactive because of a shoulder injury, when you

450
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Speaker 5: lose Carlos Watkins because of a biceps, that rotation you

451
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Speaker 5: are relying on with the defensive line because you don't

452
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Speaker 5: have any of those star power players that takes away

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Speaker 5: the advantage you are creating for yourself, making the best

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Speaker 5: with what you have.

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Speaker 6: Well, and that's and that's what's so funny. When not funny.

456
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Speaker 6: But I mean again, you're not even we're not even

457
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Speaker 6: talking about star players here. We're just talking about guys

458
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Speaker 6: that you need in your lineup to make it all work.

459
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Speaker 6: And this team was already in a place where they

460
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Speaker 6: were they didn't have a lot of margin for Aeron,

461
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Speaker 6: let's put it that way, yep. And now you're starting

462
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Speaker 6: to dig into that margin when there wasn't that much

463
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Speaker 6: because now you're you're moving into practice squad guys, and

464
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Speaker 6: and it's it's not like you had JJ there, with

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Speaker 6: all due respect to the other guys that were on

466
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Speaker 6: the team, but it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: You don't have an Aaron Donald or a Chris Jones

468
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Speaker 2: or Jeffrey Simmons anchoring your d line. So to Danny's point,

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Speaker 2: you're your way of being effective was to keep guys

470
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Speaker 2: fresh and bring legitimate NFL players into the game and

471
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Speaker 2: waves and kill them with numbers instead of a particular player.

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Speaker 2: But now when you're pulling off your practice squad and

473
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Speaker 2: you have borderline NFL players it gets that much more difficult.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see. We'll see what they look. Cowboys haven't

475
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Speaker 2: been great on offense, not at all. They really haven't. No,

476
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Speaker 2: they haven't. But like for example against the Jets. Now,

477
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Speaker 2: the Jets have a pretty stout defense. I think everyone

478
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Speaker 2: would agree. They had to settle for five field goals

479
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Speaker 2: the Cowboys last week four in the red zone. So

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Speaker 2: you know, they haven't been killers on offense at least

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Speaker 2: so far. But again, you know, so we'll see. But

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Speaker 2: as for Josh Dobbs, he called his shot, did he not?

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Speaker 4: He was right?

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Speaker 5: My mic off, I think to Coffer drink water. I

485
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Speaker 5: freaked out for a second. Sorry, almu and Cody on that.

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Speaker 5: Now I turn my mic on. I will agree with you.

487
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Speaker 5: Paul Dobbs was right, he said before the Giants game

488
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Speaker 5: it was a night and day difference, having that extra

489
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Speaker 5: week of practice, and so he went into Washington only

490
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Speaker 5: having six practices as a cardinal, and it looked like

491
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Speaker 5: a night and day difference. He had confidence, he had command,

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Speaker 5: he had a quick release. He was using his legs,

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Speaker 5: which we saw in that twenty three yard touchdown round

494
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Speaker 5: where he trucked a defender. Go Bo to get into

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Speaker 5: the end zone, there was more of a downfield presence.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't enough enough moving forward, but at least we

497
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Speaker 5: saw him spread the ball a little bit. It really

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Speaker 5: did look very different the team as a whole offense.

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Speaker 5: Right We've we talked about already the drop off in

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Speaker 5: those in the final half, those last two quarters of

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Speaker 5: the game. But I did like that you saw significant

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Speaker 5: improvement from Dobbs and how that affected the rest of

503
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Speaker 5: the offense. And that's again because he was here for

504
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Speaker 5: such a short amount of time that you really can

505
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Speaker 5: have a big jump within a week. So I'm hoping

506
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Speaker 5: that you can continue to see that growth now as

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Speaker 5: we get another week.

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Speaker 6: I am curious to see how this game plays out

509
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Speaker 6: because Josh Dobbs, I mean, he obviously struggled with Week one.

510
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Speaker 6: But right now this offense has not had to play

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Speaker 6: from behind.

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Speaker 3: It just hasn't.

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Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, they led the whole game against the Giants,

514
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Speaker 6: and they last led most of the game against Washington

515
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Speaker 6: and it was always tight. You know, if you somehow

516
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Speaker 6: get down by two scores, what does this team look like?

517
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Speaker 6: Because we haven't seen it yet.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's true not only that this offensive line

519
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Speaker 5: is now going to have to stop one of the

520
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Speaker 5: best defensive players in the league right now in Micah Parsons.

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Speaker 2: And look, there's two ways to do that. Either one

522
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Speaker 2: you go right at Micah Parsons and you just try

523
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Speaker 2: and run straight at him. Dj Humphrees, or maybe you

524
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Speaker 2: bust out something new and innovative dot dot dot. May

525
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Speaker 2: kelby C consulting the Polypigskin Division, suggests that maybe you

526
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Speaker 2: take a long look at what the Giants do with

527
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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones and do some more of that with Josh Dobbs.

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Speaker 2: If you look at his college career, he is one

529
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Speaker 2: of the all time great dual threat rushing quarterbacks in

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Speaker 2: SEC history. Dobbs that if you look at SEC history,

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Speaker 2: like all the dual threat quarterback numbers passing and rushing,

532
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Speaker 2: there's four names. T bow Manzell, Dak Prescott, and Josh

533
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Speaker 2: Dobbs are all miles ahead of anyone in SEC history

534
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Speaker 2: when it comes to passing and running the two point

535
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Speaker 2: conversion quarterback power. Give me some more of that, please. Honestly,

536
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Speaker 2: if I'm Drew Petsing, and if there was a suggestion box,

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Speaker 2: I'd be putting a few that run. Josh Dobbs some

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Speaker 2: more and be created.

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Speaker 5: That'd be a suggestion box. That's a great idea, Paul.

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Speaker 6: I'll be honest, I'm I'll work with the dob stuff.

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Speaker 6: Because when you first said break out something new and

542
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Speaker 6: then you just said Calvis and then you kind of pause,

543
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Speaker 6: and I'm like, right, you're gonna go in the game now.

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Speaker 2: I was in deep thought there.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm also in favor of that.

546
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Speaker 2: It was a little disjointed in my delivery there, but

547
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Speaker 2: hopefully disjointed.

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Speaker 3: I think you just wanted to like get everybody hype.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully. I made the point that, look, Josh Dobbs can

550
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Speaker 2: run the ball. We obviously saw that. Yeah, although I

551
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Speaker 2: did feel a little bit, a little bit for the

552
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Speaker 2: free safety of the goal one because in today's NFL,

553
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Speaker 2: what are you supposed to do? Do I tackle the

554
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Speaker 2: quarterback like any other ball carrier? No, because if you

555
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Speaker 2: hit thou shalt not hit the quarterback too hard or

556
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Speaker 2: thy will be flagged up. Right, So what do you do?

557
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Speaker 2: You're like, Okay, is he gonna slide? Is he not

558
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Speaker 2: gonna slide? What's he gonna Now? You're getting trucked, right,

559
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Speaker 2: So what is a bad spot as a defender in

560
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. When you're when you when the quarterbacks

561
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Speaker 2: in the open field with the football, that's tough and

562
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Speaker 2: at Dobb's credit, he took advantage of it and that

563
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 2: fired up the sideline like I haven't seen in a

564
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Speaker 2: long time, James Connor. Everyone's usually feeding off James Connor's physicality.

565
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: Connor fed off that play. He's pointing to his biceps,

566
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Speaker 2: he's flexing, then he's pointing to his head saying it's

567
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: a mindset. It's a mindset. So, you know, the few

568
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Speaker 2: things we've discovered about the Cardinals two games in is

569
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Speaker 2: obviously there are a lot more physical than they have

570
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Speaker 2: been in the past, a lot more willing to set

571
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Speaker 2: the tone physically.

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Speaker 5: And I think that also comes from the effort which

573
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Speaker 5: we've seen through both both games. Again, I know you

574
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Speaker 5: can say, well the effort they lost, but this team

575
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Speaker 5: was fighting until the end and even after the game.

576
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Speaker 4: On Sunday, Jalen Thompson said.

577
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Speaker 5: That's important early on because that's something that carries on

578
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Speaker 5: throughout an entire season. This team very early sticking together

579
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Speaker 5: and not giving up, and that was something we saw

580
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Speaker 5: and more than one season under the previous coaching staff

581
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Speaker 5: was you could tell when this team was counting themselves

582
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Speaker 5: out of it, and we have not seen that now.

583
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Speaker 5: To Darren's point earlier, this team has been playing with

584
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Speaker 5: lead for the most part of these last two games,

585
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Speaker 5: but it doesn't seem like they've been counting themselves out.

586
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Speaker 2: Here's my other question on Josh Stopps. Never before in

587
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: his NFL career has he started three straight games. Maybe

588
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: the reason that he was so confident he was going

589
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: to take a jump from his first game to his

590
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: second game as a Cardinal is because he did exactly

591
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Speaker 2: that as a Tennessee titaned in last year from Week

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Speaker 2: seventeen to week eighteen, the first two starts of his

593
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: NFL career, even though he's in a year seven right now,

594
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Speaker 2: his completion percentage was much better. Is passer rating was

595
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Speaker 2: much better akin to the jump he just made week

596
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Speaker 2: one to week two with the Cardinals. Now, what's in

597
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: store week three? Potentially? How much more of a jump.

598
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Speaker 3: Could Tom Brady by mid season?

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm curious. I am intrigued by Okay, as

600
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: he continues to get more comfortable and get the timing

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Speaker 2: down with some of these receivers.

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Speaker 6: Look, that would be fantastic. I also think that the

603
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 6: defense he's playing this weekend is much much different than

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Speaker 6: the ones he's been playing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the cold reality, There's no doubt about it.

606
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: In fact, I think Craig Griolo was stinking Craig Griol

607
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Speaker 2: who had to go and crunch the numbers in Dallas's

608
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Speaker 2: number one in eleven different defensive categories after Week two.

609
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Speaker 2: You've heard Micah Parsons. It was after Week one and

610
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Speaker 2: they Jack stopped New York forty to nothing. He went

611
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: on TV and said, quote, we're the best defense in

612
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Speaker 2: the National Football League. And then there was his quote

613
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Speaker 2: Omar Ruiz after the Jets winning Week two. You see

614
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Speaker 2: this one. He's standing on the field after the game.

615
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Speaker 2: And by the way, he had two sacks, he had

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Speaker 2: four quarterback hits, he had four tackles, he had a

617
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Speaker 2: forced fumble, fumble recovery. The Dallas defense had four takeaways

618
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Speaker 2: in that thirty to ten win against the Jets. That

619
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Speaker 2: could have been a lot worse. And the question of

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Speaker 2: Michah Parsons was when did you know you were going

621
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Speaker 2: to take over this game? Micah, And he looked at

622
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Speaker 2: the interviewer, and he said Monday that was his answer.

623
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Speaker 2: So he's who's in confidence right now, Danny.

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Speaker 5: I think what's scary is it's not that they are

625
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 5: just number one in so many different categories. It's that

626
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Speaker 5: they've been annihilating their opponents. Even though it's only been

627
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 5: a two game sample, they have been completely destroying their

628
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 5: opponents and controlling the game. It's not like they are

629
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Speaker 5: the best defense in the league by a slim margin.

630
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Speaker 5: They are dominating.

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Speaker 2: So what do you do we I mean, Danny, come

632
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: on out. Your years in Dallas, this gives you a

633
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: competitive advantage.

634
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 4: A lot of new coaches, it's a new team.

635
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 5: I don't really have an advantage. I know Craig is listening.

636
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: You don't want to go Monday morning quarterback right now

637
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: and offer up a game plan, you know. I mean

638
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: you just said the DM big D stands for destroys.

639
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: So there when Michael Parsons got there.

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Speaker 5: That was I was there when they drafted him. Yes,

641
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Speaker 5: so actually, well, I mean hardly because I started here

642
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Speaker 5: week three, I.

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Speaker 4: Believe, of twenty twenty one. Yeah, okay, so not not

644
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 4: fully because.

645
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Speaker 2: He's been an All Pro his first two years in

646
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Speaker 2: the league. I mean, he's been beyond dominant.

647
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Speaker 3: He's pretty awesome.

648
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: When you watch just the highlights on Sunday Night, he

649
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: jumps off the film And I never thought I'd say this,

650
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: but he jumps off the film like Lawrence Taylor. He's

651
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: that dominant.

652
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 5: The speed, the twitchiness to get around guys, and the

653
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 5: bend and the strength he has. I mean, he is

654
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 5: almost truly unstoppable.

655
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: So the question is what's realistic for the Cardinals against

656
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: this Dallas defense. What else Darren in terms of this offense,

657
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: do you think maybe is untapped potential. I mean Rondelle

658
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: Moore as obviously has not been a big part of

659
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: this offense yet.

660
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 6: I mean you would think that you'd want to get

661
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 6: the ball to Rondelle Moore a little bit more.

662
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: I would.

663
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 6: I think the tight end game, especially with Trey McBride,

664
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 6: has been pretty effective when they do it right. I

665
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 6: like it, just stop committing the penalties when you call

666
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 6: those plays. Yeah, but I like that to some of

667
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 6: Ertz and McBride and what they've been able to bring.

668
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 6: And quite frankly, I don't think I think Zach Er

669
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 6: both Zach Ertz and Trey McBride are receivers first, and

670
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 6: I like the job they've been doing blocking quite frankly,

671
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think anybody is going to confuse

672
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 6: them with the greatest blocking tight ends of all time,

673
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 6: but I like what they've been doing and I like

674
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 6: that part of the game. Again, to me, offensively, they

675
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 6: need to keep the game close, and you've got to

676
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 6: hope that the defense just doesn't melt down.

677
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: I mean, we wouldn't.

678
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 6: Jonathan Gannond said it earlier this week. The offense played

679
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 6: well enough to win that game. And we can talk

680
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 6: all day and I'm sure gannon said it at some

681
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 6: point all three phases need to do better, blah blah

682
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 6: blah blah blah. But the reality is, as much as

683
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 6: they might have struggled in the fourth quarter offensively, they

684
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 6: should have won the game with twenty eight points. That

685
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 6: shouldn't have been that. That should have been enough.

686
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 5: You've also got to continue to really start to rely

687
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 5: on I shouldn't say continue, start to rely on Hollywood Brown.

688
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 5: That's going to allow Rondo more to open up, Michael Wilson,

689
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 5: get him more involved. You have to start now. We

690
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 5: saw a better job with chunk plays this past week.

691
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 5: We were seeing plays for seventeen twenty two to twenty

692
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 5: three yards, which was a big step from week one.

693
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 5: But I think you really have to start relying on

694
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 5: Hollywood Brown.

695
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: There's no doubt the game plan in week two was

696
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 2: much more north south than the horizontal east west game

697
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: you saw in week one, which, in asking around most

698
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: definitely was just designed for that opponent. That's not really

699
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: an indicator of the identity of the Cardinals offense, that

700
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: sideways game that they used against Washington. So I'm expecting

701
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: more of the north south, definitely more of the downfield strikes.

702
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: You know, last week, I think I was the one

703
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: asking saying, you know what, can you flip the targets

704
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: from ten to zach Ertz and five to Marquis Hollywood

705
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: Brown and flip those five to ERTs and ten to

706
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown. They definitely tried to get Marquise involved more

707
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: in this game. Now, Greg dor hasn't played a single

708
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: offensive snap.

709
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 3: Does that surprise you?

710
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 4: Just going to ask that question, Darren say that doesn't

711
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 4: surprise me me neither.

712
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: Here's why because in the preseason we had a chance

713
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: to visit with the head coach, and you know, there

714
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: was some question at least early in camp. Is he

715
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 2: going to make the team or not. And Gannon was

716
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: very bullish on Greg Dortch, like unnecessarily like effusive in

717
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: his praise. So I thought I thought he'd get a

718
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: handful of snaps, have a role here or there, at

719
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: least get him into the slot or something like that.

720
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: But it absolute zero so far. Yeah, I'm a little

721
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: surprised by that.

722
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 5: I just think you don't see Dorch when you have

723
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 5: more on the field, whether that's a drop in play,

724
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 5: whether that's an injury, whatever that might be. I just

725
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 5: I don't really see you having Greg Dortch play that

726
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 5: type of role. If that's what you're asking Ronda More

727
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 5: to do.

728
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: Look for everything that you have to do to account

729
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: for the Dallas defense, and you have to do a lot.

730
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: And I think you're right there, and you're probably gonna

731
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 2: see tight ends as much as you will any game

732
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: because you're probably going to use your tight ends in

733
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: twelve and thirteen personnel to chip Michael Parsons when you

734
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: on the edge, although he'll line up virtually anywhere. As LAWRENCEO.

735
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: Alexander said, you know, they'll look for the fish, which,

736
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: as we found out, from Kalais Campbell a good fifteen

737
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: years ago in the Big Red Rage, every defensive line

738
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: looks for the fish, the weak spot in the offensive line,

739
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: the one player that you can victimize. And that's what

740
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: Dallas does. Who's the fish? And guess what, Micah Parsons

741
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 2: is lining up in that guy's gap. So that's gonna happen.

742
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 2: And you know what, if I'm that guy, I'm taking

743
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: that personal right because obviously the opposing coaches identified me

744
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: as the fish. Okay, you know what, now I'm really

745
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: gonna bring it now, it's really a game here? Where

746
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: was I? Oh? In terms of everything the Dallas defense is, you're.

747
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: Talking about your love of seafood.

748
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: Pop everything the Dallas defense is. I think it's the

749
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: Cardinals defense that has to figure out life without Buddha,

750
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: life without these defensive linemen. And then they have to

751
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: make a choice are we gonna blitz or not? Because

752
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: I think Nick Rawlis said they didn't bring numbers hardly

753
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: at all in that second half? Should they have? Is

754
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: he kicking himself on that? I know that's not necessarily

755
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: the mo for a Jonathan Gannon obviously based on last year.

756
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even Week.

757
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 2: One when the Cardinals had the lowest blitz rate, but

758
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: the personnel was different in Week one. And if you're

759
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 2: gonna be contributing everything, you have to stopping Seede Lamb,

760
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 2: who's been the cowboys best receiver by far. Michael Gallup

761
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: has been a total zero, has two non factor catches

762
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: in two games. So if you're gonna throw everything, you

763
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: can't you have Bell Belichick's style to stop the other

764
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: team's best weapon and take out Seedy Lamb, Then all right,

765
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: are you gonna have to generate some pressure somehow?

766
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 6: I mean possibly? I do think against the Giants with

767
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 6: his the way that Daniel Jones can scramble, you gotta

768
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 6: be wary of a blitz.

769
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: Good point, and Dak can move.

770
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: He can.

771
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 6: I don't think he's Daniel Jones, No, especially after his injuries.

772
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: But what forty did Daniel Jones run by the way.

773
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: I mean, he is deceptively fast. He left guys in

774
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: his wake on that field.

775
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 6: I didn't does that some he was watching a lot

776
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 6: with Daniel Jones.

777
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: I just I mean, for a big guy with a

778
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: long stride, I'm like, man, he can really move. I

779
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: don't know. Seeing it in person is always different. Than

780
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: scene it on. I know what he did to the

781
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: vikings of the playoff win last year when he ran

782
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 2: it seventeen times. I mean, it was a big deal.

783
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: He was one of the keys of the game, obviously.

784
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I was just curious if he ever ran

785
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: a forty.

786
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: I'm sure he did run a.

787
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: Kyler never ran a forty. The only thing we have

788
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: on Kyler is now fast. He was in Rookie Mini

789
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: Camp twenty nineteen he raced Andy Isabella in a forty,

790
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 2: which we got on video one of the Cardinals social

791
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: No no, I think the players film now, somebody filmed it.

792
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 6: I don't think it was us, and he was I

793
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 6: think he pretty sure it was one of the players.

794
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: He lost Isabella by a nose or else. It was

795
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: like a dead heat, and Isabella was a legit four

796
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: to three guy. So that's that's the one indicator we

797
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: have on Kyler's speed.

798
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 4: I will say quick sidebar.

799
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 5: I think it is encouraging seeing what we've seen from

800
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 5: this offense so far with Josh Dobbs and thinking, oh man,

801
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 5: if you had Kyler Murray out there right now, just imagine.

802
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 5: And I do think that's something to kind of grab

803
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 5: onto of we've seen the changes in this offense, the

804
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 5: play action, more downfield, an attack at least right more

805
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 5: so week two rather than your game plan in week one.

806
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 5: But it is exciting to think about how much different

807
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 5: still this offense can and will look like when you

808
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,479
Speaker 5: have your franchise quarterback out there.

809
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: Do you think that's the reason why they went after

810
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: Josh Dobbs.

811
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 5: Because as opposed to sticking with Colt McCoy. Oh yes, absolutely,

812
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 5: the mobility and having more of a similar type of

813
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 5: offense with Dobbs that you'll have with Kyler Murray.

814
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 4: Yes see.

815
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 6: I don't even think it had it much to do

816
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 6: with having something similar as Kyler Murray. I just think

817
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 6: that these guys feel like that's an element of the

818
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 6: game you need to have in today's.

819
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 5: NFL, right, being able to use your legs like that.

820
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 6: I mean, we just got through talking about how much

821
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 6: Paul has a man crush on Daniel Jones and his speed.

822
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, you're right, the one dimensional quarterback and a

823
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: lot of coaches opinions does not work in twenty twenty three.

824
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: You better have that dual threat aspect to your game

825
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: to keep a defense honest and to extend plays and

826
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: be able to make those plays on the run. And

827
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: so yeah, it's uh. And again I'm curious what sort

828
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: of upside Josh Dobbs still has based on what we

829
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: saw in week two. I mean, if he connects with

830
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: Zach Ertz, just think about that, think about what his

831
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: numbers could have been.

832
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 6: And see here, I don't disagree with you on the

833
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 6: Ertz thing, and that that was a crushing blow and

834
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 6: I can understand why Zach would be upset about it,

835
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 6: but because of when it happened, and because of everything

836
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 6: Josh Dobbs accomplished over the next two quarters essentially, or

837
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 6: and that first drive of the third like, to me,

838
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 6: that's you're gonna have some near misses on your passes.

839
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 6: It just happened to be the first one. And yeah

840
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 6: it was open. But at the same time, I thought

841
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 6: Josh Dobbs played fantastic and quite frankly, so we missed

842
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 6: the Urtz pass.

843
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: So why now?

844
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so why.

845
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: A little gamble there?

846
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: So what else do you think is a big factor,

847
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: a big question going into this game? What else do

848
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 2: you want answer by the time we're done with week three?

849
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 2: For example, I mean, how curious are you to see

850
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: what the defense looks like coming off that second half? Right?

851
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: How can you look so different from one half to

852
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: the next. I mean, is there was it really truly

853
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: just taking your foot off the gas or a letdown

854
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: of sorts, or is that something that's going to be

855
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: a genuine concern and liability going forward.

856
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 6: So here's my question, Like we keep talking about finishing,

857
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 6: you better start this game. You better not as we

858
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 6: were just talking about getting a hole right out of

859
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 6: the box.

860
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, this can't be the season opener against the Giants

861
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: where they had a field goal blocked and returned for

862
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: six and then Daniel Jones threw a pick six and

863
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: you're down two scores midway through the first quarter, right,

864
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: and then I mean they just unleashed the Dogs in

865
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: seven sacks and twelve quarterback against Later it's forty to nothing.

866
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 6: I mean, we can talk about James Connor slowing down

867
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 6: at the end of the game after he got one

868
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 6: hundred yards in the third quarter and all that stuff,

869
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 6: but you got to be in the game to have

870
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 6: James Connor even be part of the equation, and this

871
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 6: offense needs that to be truth.

872
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: You know what, Lorenzo Alexander also said something was interesting

873
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: that from his eye, almost and I think actually the

874
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: analytics backed this up that almost all the explosives, the

875
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: chunk throws by the Giants were off play action. Do

876
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: you think there's more in that category for the Cardinals

877
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: as well with James Connor? Do you think maybe there

878
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: could have been some more play action using James Sames

879
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: Connor hit the one hundred yard mark and he just

880
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: had fifty three yards rushing on five carries. How effective

881
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: would some more play action have been to keep that

882
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: front seven honest by the Giants. That's the other Tuesday

883
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: Morning quarterbacking that I wonder out loud.

884
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 4: I think that's a fair question.

885
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 5: But I also think about when we were talking how

886
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 5: to have been I guess with Petsing talking about James

887
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 5: Connor and saying like, look, you can only have those

888
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 5: guys out there for so long. They're not going to

889
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 5: be able to play every single snap, and there's a

890
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 5: point where James is going to have to come out

891
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 5: himself and say, you know, I got to take two

892
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 5: or three snaps off. Maybe it was Gannon when we

893
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 5: were talking about at one point this week about if

894
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 5: you would have rather had running backs have other.

895
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 4: Touches or something.

896
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: I brought up Petsing.

897
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 4: That's what it was now with Petsing.

898
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, possibly.

899
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 5: I just think that was whether or not they're going

900
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 5: to say that. I really think that was a factor

901
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 5: of when you're working. James Connor, even though he was

902
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 5: a full participant, was dealing with a calf earlier in

903
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 5: the week. I think, to a certain extent, you can

904
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Speaker 5: only push someone like that in that situation.

905
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,959
Speaker 3: So far, I agree to a certain extent.

906
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 6: But I also think, going back to what Paul was saying,

907
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 6: I think the Giants knew that the Cardinals were trying

908
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 6: to run the ball and burn clock, and you know, they.

909
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: Were just ready for you.

910
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. They're gonna have to find RB two,

911
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: someone they can.

912
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 4: Rely on right that hasn't been there yet.

913
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: And I wonder, honestly, if after week three, if it's

914
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: not Kanty Ingram or a Mari de Mercado, they just

915
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: go into their own practice squad and they give Corey

916
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: Clement a shot because he looked pretty dang good in

917
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: that preseason finale against Minnesota. And you know what, if

918
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: you go back to a couple of his appearances last year,

919
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 2: he stoked it. He ran hard, And if you're looking

920
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: for someone else to run hard like that, nor South,

921
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: and you're not getting it out of Kanta Ingram or

922
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: a Mari de Marcado, you might just go right into

923
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: your own practice squad.

924
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 5: I'm not quite ready to say that it's not Kanta

925
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 5: Ingram because Week one in Washington, that defensive front is

926
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 5: top in the league.

927
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 4: So that's different.

928
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 5: That affects your game plan understanding right looking at him,

929
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 5: didn't look good.

930
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 4: He finished with negative.

931
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 5: Yardage on what his three or four carries, and then

932
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 5: this week they were Cardinals were right in the hot

933
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 5: hand with James Connor. So I I don't think that

934
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 5: this is a team where we're going to see a

935
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 5: true compliment the way we did a few years ago.

936
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 5: But I'm not quite ready yet to say that that

937
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 5: RB two isn't going to be key on to Ingram again.

938
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 5: It's just not going to be the same that it

939
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 5: was with Chase Edmonds and James Connor. But I still

940
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 5: think that maybe the right game plan or the right

941
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 5: situation just hasn't come yet to see that from Ingram.

942
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: So Danny two questions. Now, it's Dallas week, we got

943
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: to ask you two questions. Okay, I mean, look they're

944
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: in there.

945
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 5: We first let me let me ask you a question.

946
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 5: Did you talk to Craig greenlou before you asked?

947
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 2: You did not? Actually I did not know. I did

948
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: you know. I'm busy. I don't have time for gree

949
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: around here, and you know, I mean, my goodness. Two questions. One,

950
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: since you know they're going to download information from players

951
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: who were on that Dallas once upon a time, like

952
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: a Jeff Swain, you know, we're asking you, Danny, as

953
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: a former Dallas media member, what is the difference between

954
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: Dak is really good and when Dak leads the league

955
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: in interceptions like he did last season? So what is

956
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: the difference and what can you tell Nick Rowless and

957
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 2: his staff.

958
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 5: Well, it's just so interesting. I'm gonna sound like such

959
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 5: a homer. It is so interesting that Dak is one

960
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 5: of the quarterbacks who gets so much flak for those interceptions,

961
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 5: even in training camp, and then you see a performance

962
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 5: like a Josh Allen right and doesn't gain nearly as

963
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 5: much traction.

964
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: By the way, to bolster that point earlier today, we're

965
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 2: doing the Red Sea Report and ESPN. Of course they're

966
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 2: kicking around these questions, right and of course, if it's

967
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: not the Lakers, it's the Cowboys. So there's the mandatory

968
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: Cowboys question, and it was they put up Dak Prescott

969
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: two and four playoff record, eight season yet to appear

970
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: in an NFC championship. They put that all on Dak Prescott,

971
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: even though we just went out in Week two and

972
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: just killed it. He had a one to twelve passer

973
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: rating thirty one to thirty eighty look great.

974
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 5: So the Cowboys are a different They're a different animal, though,

975
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 5: I mean playing for them, covering them, I feel like

976
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 5: to a certain extent, LEAs from a media standpoint, right, Like,

977
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 5: there's different expectations. I'm pretty sure also that Dak is

978
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 5: the longest tenured quarterback in the league with the team

979
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 5: he's been with.

980
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 2: That could be. I'm trying to think.

981
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 4: Now that Rogers has left.

982
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, could be.

983
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 5: I mean, they're high expectations. I think Dak's look the

984
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 5: interceptions are are a big part of when people talk

985
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 5: about his game. And while he doesn't have the mobility

986
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 5: that Daniel Jones has, he still has the ability to

987
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 5: escape the pocket and extend place and He's very accurate,

988
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 5: and they have some good receivers and they're able to

989
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 5: run the ball successfully. With Tony Pollard, they walked away,

990
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 5: They let Ezekiel Elliott walk away and ride in the

991
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 5: Tony Poller train. This offense is still good, still efficient,

992
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 5: and even if you want to look at the interception

993
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 5: numbers for Dak Prescott, shouldn't let that take away from

994
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 5: good that he brings for that team.

995
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to the fine dominion of the American

996
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: duce Spawn. I want to see duce spawn out there.

997
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: That's just a personal asidne. Now, the other question I

998
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: had for you take a request. How many of you

999
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: received from your Dallas books.

1000
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 4: A good amount. I didn't.

1001
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 5: The thing is is, though I'm I can only do

1002
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 5: so much, and I'm not going to get them tickets

1003
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 5: in Cardinals section, right, So I didn't really necessarily get

1004
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 5: them tickets. It's one big group that's coming out of family, friends,

1005
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 5: and he's coming out with all his friends. My family

1006
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 5: is actually not coming out for this game, though, which

1007
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 5: is unfortunately just scheduling wise. It just makes more sense

1008
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 5: for them to come out a little later. But had

1009
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 5: my family come, it was going to be aunt's uncles, cousins.

1010
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 5: It was going to be a big group, so they

1011
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 5: will all be watching from home and what I hope

1012
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 5: will be Cardinals gear.

1013
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, gotcha, it's not going to be Cardinals gear,

1014
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 3: is it.

1015
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 4: Honestly?

1016
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 5: I think, like my sister and my brother in law,

1017
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 5: my nephew will probably be in Cardinals gear. If I

1018
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 5: know my dad, he's going to be in like a

1019
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 5: Cowboys shirt with a Cardinals hat.

1020
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 4: My mom's week, I know.

1021
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: My favorite stories were bertrand Barry, who actually grew up

1022
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: closer to Houston. But even when he was a star

1023
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: for the Cardinals and they're going to the Super Bowl

1024
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: and the whole thing, and they and they matched up

1025
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: against the Cowboys few of those years, right, and there

1026
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: were some great finishes by the Cardinals a lot of

1027
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: those games. His dad would sit at home in Texas

1028
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 2: with his Cowboys jersey on, cheering against his son's team

1029
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: and get all triggered about that. That was just great stuff.

1030
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, son, I've.

1031
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: Been a Cowboys fan longer than you've been alive.

1032
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: So it's tough, that's right. If you're lucky. Your NFL

1033
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: career last ten or twelve years. I've been a lifelong fan.

1034
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