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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode ninety one of the Bobby Cast,

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Speaker 1: thanks to Blue Apron and in with Travis Meadows. You're

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Speaker 1: one of those guys, and I talked about this sometimes

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Speaker 1: on my radio show, where it's you see someone on

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Speaker 1: social media so much you feel like you know them,

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Speaker 1: but you've actually never met them. I feel that way

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Speaker 1: towards you, Like when you came in a minute ago,

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Speaker 1: I was like, hey, goodness, and I was like, we've

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Speaker 1: never actually human met and so that's kind of a

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Speaker 1: weird thing where you follow someone online and then you

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Speaker 1: feel like you kind of know them. Yeah, I feel

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Speaker 1: the exact same way about you. Actually, well it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like, hey, it's finally, it's like, dude, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna see you. Let's talk a little bit. Feel that way.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you here because to me, when I love

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Speaker 1: your music, thank you, I think you have an incredibly

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Speaker 1: interesting story, one that I also relate to. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's just what I want to do first is talk

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Speaker 1: about and I'm talking about it just kind of let

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Speaker 1: the listeners know some of the songs that they may

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Speaker 1: have heard that you've written on the radio before, like

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Speaker 1: Dirks and rises super this one. We'll come back around

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Speaker 1: to it. I'm gonna get up off the ground on

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Speaker 1: and Jake cut Jake on and cut what we ain't got?

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Speaker 1: We all we ain't got? Maybe from lindsay, oh you've

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Speaker 1: heard Worth the Weight. You woke up with her. So

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Speaker 1: that's just an idea. But the reason I bring it

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Speaker 1: now because you've got a new record called First Cigarette.

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Speaker 1: And so let's talk about that for a second. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's talk about your music first. Let's call first first

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Speaker 1: Thing right here, title track like a first cigarette. So

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Speaker 1: tell me about this record here. Man, I'm a I'm

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Speaker 1: a mess. You know, I'm a mess. And I moved

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Speaker 1: to town. I'd kind of given up on being an

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Speaker 1: artist and uh, and I was just gonna be a

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Speaker 1: writer and things just kind of bottomed out for me.

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Speaker 1: And and so um, check myself into rehab two or

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Speaker 1: three times, you know, trying to sort things out and

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Speaker 1: uh and up and and as part of my therapy,

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Speaker 1: as part of my treatment, they suggested that I keep

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Speaker 1: a journal, and I don't keep journals. So I started

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Speaker 1: writing songs um about that process because it was, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was cheaper than therapy. And and so I did

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Speaker 1: this record called Killing Uncle Buzzy. That's how, that's how

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Speaker 1: I first heard about you. That's how that's that kind

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Speaker 1: of changed everything. But by the time that I finished

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Speaker 1: that record, I was nine months sober, which was awesome.

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Speaker 1: And uh, and that record started growing legs and getting

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Speaker 1: no famous people's busses. So that's you know, that's how

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Speaker 1: Jake and and the Dirks and all of those guys

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Speaker 1: have kind of gotten familiar with my music and so um.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, that was just a homework project.

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Speaker 1: I never intended for anybody even hear those songs, you know.

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Speaker 1: And then I started getting invited to play and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, So you want me to come to

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Speaker 1: and and so that's what I started doing. And and

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Speaker 1: one thing they had to do do another. And then I

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Speaker 1: did another little record nobody ever knew I did. But

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Speaker 1: I kind of needed to move past, uh, Killing Uncle Buzzy,

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Speaker 1: you know, because I wasn't that guy anymore. Um. But

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Speaker 1: First Cigarette in My Mind's Eye is the sophomore record

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Speaker 1: to Killing Uncle Buzzy, because Old Ghost and Unfinished Business

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Speaker 1: I actually sat down and thought about it. I need,

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Speaker 1: And so first cigarette was me just going, man, here's

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Speaker 1: because it's all about me, which is you know, in

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Speaker 1: around him. Sorry, you're money, So I don't know what

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Speaker 1: mean I still get chills here in that song. I

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Speaker 1: That's from your journal, Yeah, totally. I mean there's you know,

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Speaker 1: So because you're able to take that and turn it

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Speaker 1: all struggled. I mean we're sitting in the room with you,

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Speaker 1: like what's crazy about you? As you've endured so much

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people saying, did I say I've

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Speaker 1: learned like I've I've come through my own shop abouts,

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Speaker 1: But I look at those learning processes. You know, for me,

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Speaker 1: you were a kid, and you were you had cancer

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Speaker 1: at how old is fourteen years old? So you said

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Speaker 1: like you're going through puberty and cancer at the same time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I suggest nobody ever do that because they both suck.

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Speaker 1: They do. So what kind of cancer do you have? Fourteen?

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Speaker 1: It was bone cancer? I steal genic sarcoma, so in

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Speaker 1: Is your grandma raising youth? You si your grandma point?

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Speaker 1: Both my grandparents were raising me. Yeah, And so when

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Speaker 1: Are you like you know, well, it's funny you should

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Speaker 1: Anderson and yeah, one of the greatest cancer facilities, and

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Speaker 1: uh and they will do they do a lot of research.

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Speaker 1: And they were doing research and they wanted some of

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Speaker 1: You know, to me, life was was just a really

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Speaker 1: you talk about your first memory of your little brother Johnny.

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Speaker 1: Were you were for if six years old? Like what? Hell? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was just well, I was I was, uh, I

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Speaker 1: It's things like that, Like, you know, I go to

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Speaker 1: and I need it. And we all have parts of

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Speaker 1: better way to cook. All right. So let's see. I

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Speaker 1: have a lot of music. I have so much to

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Speaker 1: talk about it. But do you have so much talking

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Speaker 1: about I got so many layers here that I want

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Speaker 1: to get into. Let's do Uh, let's talk about this

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Speaker 1: for a second. So Dirk's is a massive song for Dirk.

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Speaker 1: This is Travis Meadow song. Tell me like, when what's

437
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: what's the Travis stories? This song? All right? Well? Uh,

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Speaker 1: I the last time I got a rehab, I knew

439
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 1: that I was done. I was, I was almost done. Like,

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Speaker 1: you're not going back to rehab? No, I ain't doing

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Speaker 1: none of that. I'm not going back. I spent I

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Speaker 1: spent you know, some time in jail for you know,

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Speaker 1: and I just I remember sitting there thinking this is

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Speaker 1: never gonna happen to me again. That was a second time,

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Speaker 1: by the way, and um, and I said, I'm not

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Speaker 1: doing it no more. And I called a eating facility

447
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: and I said, if you'll detalk to me one more time,

448
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: you will never see me again with my suitcase, you know,

449
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 1: Delf and those circles they'll talk about the bottom. And

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00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: the bottom is you know, if you if you hit that,

451
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, but you gotta find it for yourself. And

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00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: and that was my bottom, that last trip to jail.

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Speaker 1: And so I started getting better and um, and you know,

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Speaker 1: nine months went by, and then a year, and then

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Speaker 1: and about two years man, I started, um. I had

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Speaker 1: a real weird transformation. And I remember sitting in a

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Speaker 1: in a writing room with somebody and I said, something

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Speaker 1: is really wrong with me. Something's kind of out of whack.

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Speaker 1: And she said, well, you talk about I said, well,

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Speaker 1: I quit killing people in my songs and and I'm

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Speaker 1: starting to write about hope and love and and she

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00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: asked me a question. It was so simple, I kind

463
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Speaker 1: of it stunned me. She said, well, are you happy?

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Speaker 1: And I had to think about it for a minute,

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Speaker 1: and I, you know, that makes me smile now thinking

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Speaker 1: about it. And I said, oh my god, I am.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy. It had been so long since I

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Speaker 1: had been truly happy. And even the first part of

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00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: that happiness I couldn't enjoy because I kept waiting on

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Speaker 1: the piano to fall on my head. You know, it

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Speaker 1: was like and so finally I just said, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: embrace it and I'm gonna be happy and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: quit being you know, negative nelly and and and I

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Speaker 1: just embraced that joy and um and uh and I

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Speaker 1: was at about that place when when Steve Moakler and I,

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Speaker 1: uh we had we had written about a year before,

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Speaker 1: and I was still kind of you know, in a

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Speaker 1: in a in a dark spot. I was coming out

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Speaker 1: of it, you know, I was in the shadows, but

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Speaker 1: I was coming out and uh, you know, he's this hopeful,

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Speaker 1: optimistic young man, good look and just has it all everything.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just hated him as soon as I

483
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Speaker 1: met him, you know everything. I hate the guy and

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Speaker 1: wound up being dear friends. I love him dearly. But

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Speaker 1: he you know, he came bouncing in the room and

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Speaker 1: he's I got this great idea. It's called wide open,

487
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: you know, because like the skies are blue even when

488
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Speaker 1: it's raining, and and uh, man, I'm in love. I'm

489
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Speaker 1: gonna marry this girl. And I'm thinking I cannot relate

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Speaker 1: to anything you're saying. And uh, but but I I

491
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Speaker 1: got son and and I told him, well, but maybe

492
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Speaker 1: if I can't be hopeful or optimistic for myself, I

493
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: could I could be hopeful for him. And so we

494
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Speaker 1: wrote this song, uh, wide Open, which was on that

495
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Speaker 1: second record. Uh uh, and Steve actually put it on

496
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Speaker 1: his record as well. Um, and this this, you know, optimistic,

497
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Speaker 1: kind of like a letter to somebody coming behind you.

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Speaker 1: You know, you you have a lot to live for,

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Speaker 1: even though I did not feel it at the time.

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Speaker 1: Fast forward a year or so when we get back

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Speaker 1: in the room and I'm starting to come alive again

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Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I'm kind of a resurrected Travis,

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Speaker 1: you know, And and he comes bouncing in the room

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Speaker 1: and I said, I think I have an idea, you know,

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Speaker 1: because I'm I'm ready to I'm ready to be a

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Speaker 1: participant in life. I kind of laid down for about

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Speaker 1: six years and just kind of, you know, um, just

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Speaker 1: kind of checked out. But I'm ready to. I'm ready

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Speaker 1: to check back in. And uh this, you know, it's

510
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Speaker 1: kind of about a survivor. And you know, I can,

511
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: I can fight, and I'll you know, I'll get back in.

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00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: And he smiled and he said, Um, I don't think

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Speaker 1: I've lived enough life to to help you write this song.

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00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: You know, I hadn't been through enough and I said,

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Speaker 1: but but that optimism that that you express, you know,

516
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: that you live, that comes so naturally to you. I

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00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: think is is the magic bullet on this song, because

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00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: otherwise it's just gonna end up being another Dark Travis song.

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00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: And and so that's where it came from. You know,

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00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: it was was me, you know, wanting to be a

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00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: participant in life again. Um. And ironically two of my

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00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: favorite parts of that song, like, I would not any

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Speaker 1: million years what I call myself a lighter. I'll be

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00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: a fighter, I'll be a get back up or you

525
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: know not. But I wouldn't say lighter. You know. That

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Speaker 1: was Steve Man, that optimism. I'm a lighter, you know.

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Speaker 1: So it was great. So how does Dark get the song?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, how does Dark s end up getting this song?

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Speaker 1: I think there was a publisher that Um, there was

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Speaker 1: a publisher that that had been getting some of my songs. Um. Actually, Willie,

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00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: that dude is one of the first two meetings that

532
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: I had that went so bad, which is so funny,

533
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: talk about coming full circle. The two meetings that I

534
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: had that went well, he was one of them, and

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00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: then years later becomes a fan of my songs and

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Speaker 1: he didn't even remember that that you know that he

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Speaker 1: had yeah. Uh And I even tried to explain it

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00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: to him and he was like, I'm so sorry about that.

539
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you don't understand. I think those words

540
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: I needed to hear to make me write from a

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Speaker 1: you know, from a different spot. So so he got

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Speaker 1: a hold of it and he sent it to Dirk

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00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: and all this took place on Facebook, so I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: even its Facebook messenger, so I wasn't even sure if

545
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: it was real, you know what I mean. Yeah, me

546
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: and Dirk's are about to cut this song. I'm like, yeah, okay, whatever,

547
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: and uh. I tried to send him an email like

548
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: are you for real? And silence and then the next thing,

549
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: I know, you know, I get another We cut it

550
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: and we love it and that was it. And then

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00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about six that that's a major success,

552
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: like commercial money, mainstream you can pay the bills for

553
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: a while because of that song. Yeah wow, how about

554
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: you know what the new record? Let me talk about

555
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: this because I M gonna tell you something. Push you

556
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: down on It comes Outside. This is my favorite song

557
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: on a new record, not too really push it down

558
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: It comes outside way bitter rules turn out to push

559
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: you down. It comes outside way side away. You're a

560
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: music music I listened to, and I haven't listened to

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00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: stuff that they made me listen to for work, Like

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00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, I play songs on the radio, and I

563
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: like some of the songs I don't, and I don't

564
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Speaker 1: go home and listen to a lot of the stuff

565
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: that played radio. We have home music, like You're You're

566
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: my home music than you. And whenever it's like, you know,

567
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: whenever Travis makes a record, I'm like, let's get that

568
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: record out, like I'm ready sideways, I'm like, man like

569
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: it just hits me right. And they got that that

570
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: song in particular, when when that when that started coming out,

571
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: that's when I knew I had a record in me. Um.

572
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: I was down in a threeport, Louisiana apulosis, Louisiana to

573
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: treat my facility for for kids U eighteen and under

574
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: adolescent treatment facility to words that should not go together,

575
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: but they do. And I was down there speaking to

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00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: them and singing, you know, some some songs and telling

577
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: them my story, hoping they don't, you know, walk down

578
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: that same road that I did. And and UM and

579
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: I just kind of had this crazy idea said, well,

580
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: you know, if you've been sitting here kind of listening

581
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: to to my life and song, if we were gonna

582
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: write your song, what would that song be? A couple

583
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: of hands went up, and a couple of young ladies

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Speaker 1: shared some stories, and I remember one of them particular,

585
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: and just out of respect for them, I'm not gonna,

586
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, say what it was, but I remember my

587
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: first thought thinking, I don't want to get high too.

588
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: I would, there ain't no doubt about it. I don't

589
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: want to check out and I don't want to get

590
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: high too, because nobody did orders to go through that.

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00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: And and then for some reason, you know, how did

592
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: how did that make you feel? And one tear come

593
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: rolling down her cheeks she and she wiped it away

594
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: and she said, I don't feel nothing, and I'm stuck

595
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: like what, you know? What do you do? After that,

596
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: I got the how does that make you feel? Now?

597
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: What do I do? You know? And and one of

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Speaker 1: the counselors kind of stepped in and said, you know,

599
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Speaker 1: if if all you have to work with is a hammer,

600
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Speaker 1: you're gonna treat the whole world like a nail. It's

601
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: okay to have more than one emotion, and it doesn't

602
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: have to be anger all the time, because if you

603
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: push it down, it comes out sideways. And that's when

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Speaker 1: whatever he was saying to her went away. And then

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00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: it turned into treatment for trav And I'm sitting there,

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00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, having a moment thinking about how much of

607
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: my life because our you know, our generation, my generation, anyway,

608
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: maybe yours. You know, as a man, you're not supposed

609
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Speaker 1: to talk about your feelings. You're just supposed to man

610
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: up and just get on about your business, you know,

611
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: And so you don't talk about your weaknesses, you don't

612
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: talk about your fears, you don't talk about uh, you know,

613
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: things that hurt you deeply when you were a child.

614
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 1: You just man up and you walk through it, you know.

615
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: And so that's the way that I lived my life.

616
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: And an in treatment, you know, uh, I started getting

617
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: permission from counselors to feel those feelings. And I'm like,

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00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: are you serious we can, Yeah, let's talk about them.

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00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: And it kind of turned on, you know, we talked

620
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: a little earlier about therapy and and then all of

621
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: a sudden, so I can talk about this, and man,

622
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: it's like the floodgate opened for me. Um, and it

623
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: was quite life changing. UM. And I thought about how,

624
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, how often I had pushed things down and

625
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: they kind of came out sideways, you know, and it

626
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: and it hit me every time that I get mad,

627
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: every single time that I get mad, is because I'm

628
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: afraid of something, and I wanted to address that in

629
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: my own life and the way that I process things.

630
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't even know how I feel about it

631
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: until I write the song. But um, but that song,

632
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, started evolving. I let it simmer in my

633
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: head and heart for two or three weeks, and and

634
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: then I went down to Clarksdale, Mississippi, a to shack

635
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: up end and I'm with the intention of writing a record,

636
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: and that song started coming out. And man, they usually

637
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: I have to labor over songs. That one came out

638
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: in about thirty forty five minutes. It was just they're

639
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: waiting to, you know, to come out. And that's when

640
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: I knew how to record that song. Push it down.

641
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: It comes outside way. You can hear my second that

642
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: second verse, you can hear me. I started to break

643
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: up a little bit, almost cried. Um. Right after you

644
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: have moments when I act just like my father, the

645
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: only man that ever broke my heart. And then and

646
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: when I say push it down, you can hear my

647
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: voice crack. I about lost it. Jeremy Spielman produced the record,

648
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: and he asked me, you wanted to take that out?

649
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: And I said, no, I don't think I do. I

650
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, I wanted to feel what I

651
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: was feeling so pretty. I felt like a pretty brave moment,

652
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, for me to leave that in there, the

653
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: moments like the record, they're honest. I think that's the one,

654
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: the one consistent thing that I take from there. Well

655
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: you it out. It just feels so transparent, good, bad,

656
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: ugly pretty. It's just transparent. It is what it is,

657
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: and that's why it resonates. And you talk about generations,

658
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's supposed to feel even on the socioeconomic level.

659
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: For like, I go very poor, and when you're poor,

660
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: you don't have time to worry about emotions. You gotta eat.

661
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: And so as you're talking about that and you're like,

662
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if it is for you know, for

663
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: your generation, but I think we grew up like I

664
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: grew up in a releast of all talk call Mountain Pine, Arkansas.

665
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: You grew up down in Mississippi. I think we grew

666
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: up in kind of the same place to where it

667
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: wasn't a thing like you did. You didn't talk about

668
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: feel that, it wasn't even allowed because it wasn't the

669
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: most important seven things, the feelings. Who cares? You gotta

670
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: you gotta turn the lights on, you gotta, you gotta

671
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: pay for food, you know, I gotta I got an

672
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: addic mom whood of dying in the forties, and I

673
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: have a dad forever, and so it's I got a

674
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: sister take care of. I gotta get everybody. And so

675
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: as you say that stuff like I'm just sitting here

676
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: like trying to cry myself. I think there's room for

677
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: I think there's room for some authenticity in this world.

678
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: I think there's room for some honesty. Man. We are

679
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: inundated on a daily basis with with lives and and

680
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: and with with things that were uncertain of, you know,

681
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: and um, and for somebody to say this kind of

682
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: scares me a little bit, and you know, just raise

683
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: your hand right in front of everybody, a go I'm

684
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: a little I'm a little scared here, you know, or

685
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: or this hurts. Uh. You know, I think that's the

686
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: thing that that resonant and and you know this, I

687
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: have to say though, this this is kind of an

688
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: accidental thing for me. This isn't something I planned and said,

689
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, I tell you, I tell what I'm gonna do.

690
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write these, you know, really honest songs about

691
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: some of my dark parts and watch people connect to it. No,

692
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: it was me digging out of a hole. Man. This

693
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: was just therapy. Uh. And it just turned into, you know,

694
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: to something. And I remember some body came up to

695
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: me not too long ago and they said something that

696
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: that kind of it was like a punch to the gut.

697
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: They said, you know, I don't know what you were

698
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: doing during the preacher years, but you're preaching now. And

699
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: and at first it kind of made me a little angry,

700
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: like you, I mean, I spent seventeen years, I said,

701
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: there's some food. I still don't know what it was.

702
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: I eight, I've slept in huts in Africa. I was sincere.

703
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: And for you to say, you know that that that

704
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: does so I had to process it. I had to.

705
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: I had to take some time and think about what

706
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: they were saying. And then it eventually led me to

707
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: the question, well, what is it that you are doing?

708
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: Because I don't want the responsibility of changing lives. That's

709
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: too big for me. I'm I'm I'm just being me

710
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: and I'm singing my songs. And and if and if

711
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 1: the universe or God or whatever wants to do something

712
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: in your life, that's between y'all. That's I got my

713
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: own plate, I got my own yard to keep cleaning

714
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: over here. Um. But it did force me to, you know,

715
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: ask what are you doing? And I think I think

716
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 1: what I'm doing is between the storytelling and the songs.

717
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: You know, I think I'm giving people permission to be

718
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: okay right where they're at scars and all. There's not

719
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: a lot of people are doing that. Um. And it's

720
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: not that it's not that I Um again, it wasn't intentional.

721
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: But but you know, we were talking about purpose earlier.

722
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: I think, you know, maybe maybe maybe I made that up.

723
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: But but but I kind of came to the conclusion, well,

724
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: well that's a that's a fair that's a fair sense

725
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: of purpose. Just you know, um, just be yourself authentically.

726
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 1: You you know, my shows are filled with mistakes, man.

727
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: I can't hear if something's going wrong in the monitor,

728
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's just but I keep getting

729
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: up and I keep going back. You know this one

730
00:36:49,160 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: right here, bet come on, I hate waiting. There ain't

731
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: no patience in the better boat. I tell me about

732
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: that one man I was in a I don't think

733
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: he's supposed to say it in public because of a

734
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: thing called anonymity, But I'll say. There are these places.

735
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: There's the little clubs at meeting in the basement of churches,

736
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: and they sit on leather couches and drink coffee and

737
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: talk about how they're hired, hard wired for the hunt,

738
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: you know. And and I was in one of those

739
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: club meetings one day and somebody said that said serenity.

740
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: You know, something that really um applied to me. Said, serenity,

741
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: you know we're all looking for. Serenity is not found

742
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: in a calmer ocean or a calm or sea. Serenity

743
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: is found in a better boat. And I got my

744
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: phone out and made a little note. And I was

745
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: actually on the UM on the schedule with Liz Roe,

746
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: who's who wrote a lot of that Taylor Swift stuff,

747
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, And and I told her the idea, and

748
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: and she loved it and so we She basically just

749
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, uh just helped me process, you know that

750
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: the idea of of building a better you and making

751
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: you know and using a you know, boat as the

752
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: as the format. And I love that song. I'm really

753
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of it. I love the way it

754
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: turned out. He's still living well, we'd call it a camper.

755
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: We're growing up. Do you look? Do you still living?

756
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: Like the winter bit? The trailer of the winter Bago.

757
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: That's actually just my man cave. It's sitting in my

758
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: driveway and I just go out there because I don't

759
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: smoke in my house, and so I go out there

760
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of keep going back and forth, quit

761
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: and then smoke again. I've had a real stressful past

762
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: few months. I quit for a while. And but anyway,

763
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: my my, that little Winnebago camper uh as my man cave.

764
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: I go out there process and sorting my thoughts. It's

765
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: pretty cool. You gotta come by and see it one day.

766
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: It's pretty rocking. I I lived in the camper for

767
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: about a year. Like it was that it wasn't a

768
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: camper show, and it wasn't a full RV. It was

769
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: the guy knew had attached to bald truck and so

770
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: I never had a bedroom growing up, and so there

771
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: was we kept a camper and I just lived in

772
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: the camper and so that's exactly what this is. And

773
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: I put a box fan at a box fan I

774
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: keep in there, I plug in, I run an extension cord. Though,

775
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: because we were like six of us a n at house,

776
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: so we has you know, got a lot of rooms.

777
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, I don't have in the room.

778
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: I'll go live in the camper. So I live in

779
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: the camper and I run an extension cord out of

780
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: the window, plug in the box fan, and then I

781
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: have a business a cordless phone days have a cordless

782
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: phone that have taken charge all day. Then I come

783
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: home and take the cordless I'll take it out and

784
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: the stay in the camper. But now you sleep, and

785
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: then I mean I've seen picked up. You know, I

786
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: know about your camper a little bit. But it was

787
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: always like I have fun memories of that. It's not

788
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: even a bad memory to me that that I lived

789
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: in a camper for a year, Like that's a good

790
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: memory to you. Because it was my own place, but

791
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: they were my own walls. Yeah, after after after my

792
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: divorce up, I'll live with a the guitar in one

793
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: hand and a very small suitcase and the other I

794
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: was still drinking. I just you know, it was like

795
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: I just took light of fluid and sprayed it on

796
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: my whole life and then let it on fire to

797
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: see what, you know, height would turn out. And and

798
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: I bounced around and lived in a little you know,

799
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: one room houses here and there. Um, and there's something

800
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: about though, you know. Um. I slept on the floor

801
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: on a camping map for probably two or three weeks.

802
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: And uh. And then I got a chair, and I'm

803
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: so proud of that chair, you know. And every time

804
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: I look at that chair, I you know, I kind

805
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: of I got up off the ground and I and

806
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: I figured out a way to make a couple of

807
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: bucks and I bought that chair white and by bed first.

808
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I've still got that chair. It's

809
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: my right and chair, you know. And then next thing,

810
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, I got a few pictures on the wall

811
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: and starting to build a life. This album he's he's

812
00:40:53,120 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: underdogs them, so we are a little more good to

813
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: this one. Ye yeah, shine like stars we Are. That

814
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: was totally an on purpose. Uh. It was an on

815
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: purpose because uh I wanted to add some levity. I

816
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: wanted to add some hope to this record because I knew,

817
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, people were well Frankly, I was getting tired

818
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: of doing these sad songs every night. You know. I

819
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: needed a breath of air, uh much. You know, I

820
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: just assumed that anybody coming to the shows did as well.

821
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: So so you know, pray for jungle Land underdogs guy

822
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: like me, you know, faster upbeat, uh, happier songs. That's

823
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: and that I hope, I hope it sounds like growth

824
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: because you know, killing Uncle Buzzy was completely self indulgent,

825
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: me just trying to dig out of a whole old

826
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: ghosts and finished Business was just kind of me trying

827
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: to beat anything but Uncle Buzzy. And this record was

828
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: me actually thinking about other people and going, you know, here,

829
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: here's a part of me, and I'm doing better and

830
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, um so it gets you got the heavy

831
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: song sideways, you know, so I was still a you know,

832
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: do some hard work, uh, some operating, but then you

833
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: get to take a breath, you know, in between songs

834
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, just bob your head a little bit that

835
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: I think this guy over here some of the songs,

836
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: like let's say Church cut dark Side, there's albums why

837
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: my dark Side? See how you feel when he cut that?

838
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: We actually wrote that together. You know. It's interesting because

839
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: a career, you know, I moved here to be a

840
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: songwriter and it and it's not the best career decision

841
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: to quit writing songs for Nashville and just start writing

842
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: for me and making records that was not from the

843
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: outside looking in, was not the smartest career move I

844
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: could make, because a smarter man would have been writing

845
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: songs and trying to get those people to record them.

846
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: But it's not what I did. I started. I started

847
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: writing these songs and and and and making records because

848
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Speaker 1: it was survival and it was it was what I

849
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: had to do. And Eric Church heard those records and

850
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: even looked me and I and said, if you weren't

851
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: making records, you wouldn't be on this bus, you know,

852
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: because I don't want some Nashville songwriter on this bus.

853
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: I want Travis Meadows on this bus. So that was

854
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: a real affirmation that that I had made a good decision.

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00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: You know, he's a great writer, godly man. That dude

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00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: is a is a force of nature. A lot of

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00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: times when you write with artists, you do the heavy lifting.

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00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: Not so with Eric Man. He he told his own water,

859
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Speaker 1: and he knows exactly what he wants to say, uh,

860
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: which I admire. He knows exactly what he wants to

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00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: say and how he wants to say it. And so

862
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: you'll throw a line out and I, you know, but

863
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: I'd say this and make it rhyme. So it's it's

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure to write with him. And this one

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Speaker 1: from Lindsay l I love that song, good one. And

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Speaker 1: then the first time I heard it before she got it,

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Speaker 1: she I was just like, man, like I could hear

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Speaker 1: the her and I could hear the you. I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: I had to hear both of you, like at the

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Speaker 1: same time. I think, I like to think I should

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Speaker 1: say that that if I'm not writing for me, that

872
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: I can kind of ask enough questions and kind of

873
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: get inside of their head and and and try to

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00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: help them sort their thoughts. It's what what I felt

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Speaker 1: like I was doing that day, was helping her sort

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00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: her thoughts and make it rhyme, you know. But but

877
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't want it to be a Travis song.

878
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 1: I wanted I wanted to meet, you know, getting inside

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00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: of her head and help in her process so that

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Speaker 1: she could get out to the world what she was

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00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: trying to say. I love that song. She was a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to work with you. I hope everybody checks out

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Speaker 1: first cigare At. This is the song again. If you

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00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: get chancey Travis, go to see him. I mean, I'm

885
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: just a massive fan. Thank you guy. I'm a fan

886
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: of yours as well, buddy up. I admire anybody that

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Speaker 1: that has a tenacity to you know, to to go

888
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: after life and just you know, just do it. And

889
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: you're doing it. Man, it's a good thing. I'm trying

890
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Speaker 1: to do it. I'm trying as hard as I can.

891
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: Some days not right, yeah, those days not right, but

892
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: the good days in the hand, you're like, this is

893
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: why I'm doing Yeah, Yeah, that's really all that matters. Man.

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00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: At the end of the day. You know, as long

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Speaker 1: as you're trying, you're getting up and you know and trying.

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Speaker 1: I feel like if you don't have that sense of

897
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: of you know, momentum in your life, you know, you

898
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: watch old guys they reach and then they retire, and

899
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Speaker 1: they seemed like everybody that retires they die and die

900
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: right after that. But but the old guys that just

901
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: keep working, that they just live with really, Neilson, they

902
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: just they just keep going, you know what I mean,

903
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: they get nice, full lives and and so, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's admirable finding something and

905
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: going after it, and if you don't know exactly what

906
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: you're going after, invent it. You know, it has been

907
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: a pleasure. I appreciate you coming by and sharing your story,

908
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you making music more than any man,

909
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: because like I've known you for ages. Actually the first

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00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: time we've physically touched hands today, I feel like I've

911
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: known you for ages. All Right, Travis Meadows, I encourage

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00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: you to check out first Cigarette. I mean, listen, I

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00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: I'll I still listen to a buzzy. I mean, just

914
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: if you haven't heard it, go listen to go find them,

915
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 1: go go to our shows all over But I see

916
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Speaker 1: you driving around all the playing shows all over the place. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, that's the episode nine one here on the

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Speaker 1: body Cast. Thank you