1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson. Okay, Marv, I mean I 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: don't even really know how to entro this podcast because 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: I just said to you, wait, I don't understand that 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about Saturn and Jupiter and how they play 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: different roles in your life. The way I have read 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: about Saturn sounds really scary and like, I want to 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: stay away from Saturn, and you're just telling me that 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: Saturn gets a bad rap, like it's almost like the 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: red headed step child of the planets, and people have 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: this really bad perception. So we wanted to talk about 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: Saturn Returns. Also mentioned to you I have a birthday 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: coming up, and so we kind of were talking about 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: it in my chart. And so you're going to give 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: an example of how Saturn can play Saturn and Jupiter 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: and all of those things can play into your own personality, 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: your own evolution, and anything else that I'm to sing 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: in this introduction. I thought you did great. Well, thank 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: you very much. I mean, it's just tricky. I don't 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: know that much about these things, and so what do 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: you think the best way for us to start would 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: be for the people to really get something out of 23 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: understanding Saturn. Well, let's start with the Saturn return that 24 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: seems to be the scariest part um even astrologically. When 25 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 1: you're reading a chart and somebody, if you're familiar with 26 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: your astrology chart and somebody's reading, you're always going to 27 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: your ears are going to perk up when you hear 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: you got a Saturn transit. Right. The point to Saturn 29 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: is if you if you always followed see, the natural 30 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: desire for every human being is to stay uh in consistency. 31 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: And the thing about it is if you stayed in 32 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: consistency and security, you would never grow, you would not progress, 33 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: And so Saturn helps you to do that. You know, 34 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: I put in a biblical quote of Matthew be perfect. 35 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: Therefore as you're heavenly Father is perfect. So in other words, 36 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: if you're realizing you are on a spiritual path, a 37 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: spiritual journey to discover you are who you are at 38 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: the core, at the high self level, well then you 39 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: need some sort of energy that challenges You're conditioning, you're 40 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: programming your mimicry, your persception, your perspectives of this life 41 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: and of other lifetimes. You see because that's what this 42 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: life is about, is broad about because of the perspective 43 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: and perceptions and opinions of other lives. So now you're 44 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: going through the challenge of cleansing those clearing those clearing 45 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: them old patterns of familiarity, consistency of doing it and 46 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: seeing it one way. Okay, So we've got to break 47 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: down the conditioning and the perception of the past, and 48 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: that Saturn's job. So in other words, everything that you 49 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: believe consciously and unconsciously is going to be challenged if 50 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: it's not in divine perfection. The plan that we all 51 00:03:54,280 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: live out is we're measuring our lives against the faction 52 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: of God. So if that is the case, we have 53 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: to have an energy that helps us achieve that. And 54 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: of course, um, if we when we look at planets, 55 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: what all we're looking at is energy, and we're looking 56 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: at the realities that we create. I mean, how many 57 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: times have I said we create our own reality. We 58 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: are the creator of the world. And so if we 59 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: are the creator, what are we going to do about 60 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: the miscreations that we all individually, independently make. What are 61 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: we going to do about all the judgments that we 62 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: have about others and other people and things of life. 63 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: And so when we look at saturn sa learned as 64 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: the principle of challenge um to be in a simplified way, 65 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: it challenges all of that status quo, that conditioning, and 66 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: that um, that feeling of consistency. It challenges all your thinking. 67 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 1: That so in other words, you face everything you think. Okay, 68 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: every action you take, you have to face it. So 69 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: in other words, when we look at karma, we're looking 70 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: at just we're we're having to face what we dished 71 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: out in the past and see how we like it. 72 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: And when we see how we don't like it, we 73 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: make it. We form a different dependent, We form a 74 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: different perspective, become a little more clearer about what is 75 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: Can I ask a question about karma like you always 76 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: say to me that's you're breaking a karmic pattern from 77 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: another life or something like with certain things, will say that, 78 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: So is there like if we're talking about karma, do 79 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: weat necessarily like like, say I did something in my 80 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: twenties that was really shitty, Like am I going to 81 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: face that again in this lifetime? Or is that like 82 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: something I carry with me until it's ready to be resolved? 83 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: And then I faced the karma of whatever like it 84 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: comes back to me. How does it work? I guess 85 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: I just have questions. If you did something in your 86 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: twenties that was shitty, number one, there has to be 87 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: a forgiveness. Number two, you have to have changed your 88 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: perspective perception, okay, because if you didn't change your perspective 89 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: and perception, you're probably going to do something shitty again 90 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: in your forties, thirties, or any other time. So the 91 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: more you keep doing things things that are um um 92 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: inconsistent with who you really truly are perfection of God, 93 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: well then you're going to face it every single time, 94 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: and it will probably get harder and harder and harder 95 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: and harder until you break and say I don't want 96 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: no more to do with that. Let me, I changed 97 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: my whole thinking about that. And when you change your thinking, 98 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: you raise your level of consciousness to a higher level 99 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: of consciousness. Yogananda said, when you break somebody's leg in 100 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: a lifetime, well, it's only it's only the transpiring of 101 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: time between one lifetime or a next lifetime or even 102 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: current lifetime that you're going to get your leg broke. 103 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. But if you raise your level of consciousness 104 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: through forgiveness and understanding. Well, then when it comes time 105 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: for your leg to get broke, maybe you have a 106 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: branch out of a tree fall on it and you 107 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: just get a scratch m hmm. Okay. And so when 108 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: you're saying to um forgiveness, there's a lot of that 109 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: forgiveness of self. That's the first person to forgive, okay. 110 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: And then when you get forgive yourself, you can forgive others. 111 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: Because if you forgive yourself, you're the creator. Do you 112 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: have to understand that you create every single aspect of 113 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: your life. You create it, people, places, and things. You 114 00:08:54,360 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: create it. And when you discover the error, that miscreation 115 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: and that creation, well then you can divinely forgive yourself. 116 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: And therefore you then forgive everybody else because they were 117 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: willing participants, participants in your miscreation. And so forgiveness is 118 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: one of the most powerful things you can do. So 119 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, Saturn is a ruler of times called Father 120 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: Time from the Roman standpoint, and so um Saturn also 121 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: has two faces. It is the taskmaster, it is the disciplinarian, 122 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: but it is also the awakener m So you can 123 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: move into the presence of God. After you've gone through 124 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: all of your saturn experiences, let's think about what C. 125 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: G Ung said, when the conscious mind knows what's in 126 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: the unconscious mind, you'll be enlightened when the conscious mind 127 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: knows what's in the unconscious mind. But do we ever 128 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: get there in a lifetime? Not one lifetime? No? Okay? Right? 129 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 1: In other words, saturn um. The Greeks and the Persians 130 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: thought of Saturn is having two faces time and eternity. 131 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: One lifetime is one face of eternity. Yogananda said, Uh, 132 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: if a bird flew to a lake, picked up a 133 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: beak of water, flew back a mile, and dropped it 134 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: into a hole. How how many times do we take 135 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: that bird to empty that lake? We'd be about how 136 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: many lifetimes you've already had? Wait, what process that one? 137 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: So if a bird flew to a lake, say it again, 138 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: picked up a beak of water. Okay, so fill their 139 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: beak with water, flew one mile and dropped it into 140 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: a hole. How many times it would take him to 141 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: fly back and forth to empty that lake? Would be? 142 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: How many lifetimes you've lived? At least that's a lot. Well, 143 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: think about it. We live in a billions and billions 144 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: and billions of year old universe. I mean, come on, 145 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: I mean you know you see we we have to 146 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: make only in the present is the only moment there 147 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: is instead of living. You see, we live in this 148 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: in our daily lives on this dimension. We live um 149 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: one moment at a time. Well, and we see things linearly, 150 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: so we see things playing out. But the truth of 151 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: the matter is one individual reality is one ten thousands 152 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: of a second. So you don't see reality. You're only 153 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: seeing the progression of multiple realities. So why would you 154 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: form an opinion and a judgment? Right, So this goes 155 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: back to like we don't know if things are good 156 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: or bad, they just are. So what we're doing is 157 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: we are having to live out all the This is 158 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: called the archetypes of the shoods and the odds. You 159 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: should do this, you ought to do this. And it's 160 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: so much of family duties and traditions and growing older 161 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: and that overwhelming feeling of being under pressure. So let's 162 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 1: take of your saturn is in your house of work. 163 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: How much do you give in to feeling like you 164 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: are always under the gun and under pressure to hurry 165 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: up and perform all the time. I mean, I'm actually though, 166 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: what's happened over the last couple of years, And I 167 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: don't know if this has anything to do with Saturn, 168 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: but like I can't do that anymore. Well, yeah, that 169 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: could mean you're getting wiser, Kelly, look at that mark. 170 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: Thank God. But you see, family, when we grow up, 171 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's always the pressure to be 172 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: like your father, going to your family business. I was. 173 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,119 Speaker 1: My father opened up a garage. When I was sixteen. 174 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: I went to work in the garage. I continued to 175 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: take it over. It's at twenty I worked all I 176 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: worked as a mechanic for the first thirty two years 177 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: of my life. I didn't know that about you. My 178 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: father was I was washing motorcycle parts at eight. So 179 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's that continuation and then and so I 180 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: love the story about the Christmas the hustle in the 181 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: bustle of Christmas, because that's a perfect example of how 182 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: Saturn pressures us in time. You know, when you're in 183 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: December and your shopping and you're pushing by everybody, and 184 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, rubbing elbows and you're trying to get all 185 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: your presence and you're trying to remember who who to get. 186 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: We can't forget at Aunt Maggie and Uncle Harry and 187 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: and all these people. So we're all we're all well rushed. 188 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: We're on a time scale, and we gotta hurry up 189 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: and get this right. And so that's kind of what 190 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: Saturn is like, is always trying to hurry up and 191 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: and get it right, and hurry up and and get 192 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: done what we need to do. How about the I 193 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: tell one of my musical clients that's uh seven and 194 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: she's now the opening act for people, And I said, 195 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: will you quit trying to be forty at I know 196 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: who you're talking about. So that's all, But we're always 197 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: trying to hurry up. Now, I have saturnay in Capricorn, 198 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: and on top of being a Capricord, I have rushed 199 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: all my life to hurry up and be successful according 200 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: to my programming. You know, when I was in my twenties, 201 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: it was to be a millionaire. When I was in 202 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: my thirties, it was just to be get on my feet. 203 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: When it was in my forties, I was saying, wait 204 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: a minute, let's let's get a couple of things squared 205 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: away in my life first, and then maybe I'll get 206 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: back to going back to work, and then at fifty 207 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: nine years old I became wildly successful, and then at 208 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: sixty it was all taken away. M hmm. All under 209 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: no fault to my own, but as I was under 210 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: a karmic signature that I had to pay up. What's 211 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: the what? See, that's what I'm saying about karma. It 212 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: sounds as scary a karmic signature. It's scary because you're 213 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: you live in the fear of what maybe might be, 214 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: could be. You see, if you live in the moment, 215 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: all you're doing is facing what's in the moment. You 216 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about tomorrow. Yesterday is gone. You 217 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: just make the best decision based on consciousness that you 218 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: can make in your choices right now. Now. When when 219 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: when when issues come in and you go, wait a minute, 220 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: I didn't start that. I don't know what the hell 221 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: that's all about. Well, that may very well be a 222 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: karmic time to where you have to where karmic is 223 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: being brought up to where you have to face that 224 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: challenge so that you can now grow and make a 225 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: different perspective and perception. Yeah, it sounds scary to me 226 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: because like the way that I just heard what you 227 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: said was I got wildly successful. So I would imagine 228 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: you worked really hard and you've you know, finally had 229 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: some sort of accomplishments or you know success or the 230 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 1: way that we would interpret success, and then it was 231 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: taken away and so oh we had an emergency alert. 232 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: Just hit my phone. Sorry. Um. And so the way 233 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: that I hear that is just like defeating that everything 234 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: you work for could be taken away at any moment 235 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: or whatever, because I attached so much to the things 236 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: and the outcomes and all of that. But so that's like, so, 237 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: what's the karma? The karma? Yeah, what is it? Well, 238 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: I hear that as punishment you just use the word 239 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: attachment attachment. Yeah, damn it. I'm so sick of working 240 00:18:54,400 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: on attachment. Well, you know, your attachments to the physical world. Yeah, 241 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: their delusions. Get over your attachments to people, places and things. 242 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: They're going to people, Get over your attachment to people. 243 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: They're going to make mistakes, they're going to disappoint you, 244 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: and they're going to leave, and they're going to leave, 245 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: they're going to betray all kind of things. And unless 246 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: you can, unless you uh can stay in that non 247 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: attached place, you're not loving. That isn't loving. Expectations is 248 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: not loving expectations are creating unborn resentment. So you don't 249 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: have expectations. You love a person today in the now 250 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: you are, you have love of them because you love 251 00:19:52,040 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: their progression, their process. That's the point. And so yea 252 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: taken away that so little time concept. The thing about 253 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: Saturn is it once is it teaches you, It becomes 254 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: your greatest gift, your greatest success. So Saturn delays, it 255 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: never denies. You know, the ancient astrologers, the ancient textbooks 256 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: talked about Saturn is change because you have to face 257 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: something that you've created that is in miscreation. And so 258 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: that's why it's got such a bad reputation. You know, 259 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: modern astrologers have made it good and bad. Is becoming 260 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: enlightened a good and bad thing. Is becoming self realized 261 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: a good and bad process. Living in living in higher 262 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: consciousness a bad process. I don't think so. So. In 263 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: other words, if we looked at everything as an opportunity, 264 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: an opportunity to face a problem, an opportunity to face 265 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: a miscreation, an opportunity to face our own conscious thoughts 266 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: and desires that are in error, miscreation, it's opportunity. So 267 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: why make it a good and bad? Because you heart physically, 268 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: this world is going to hurt you physically. This is 269 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: a world of duality. So whatever good happens in this world, 270 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: well the opposite is already there as well. So Carl, 271 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: you said, stand in the middle. Don't get too far 272 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: carried away with good, because whatever good has created, the 273 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: bad could be created light along with it. Joganand has 274 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: said much to a thing. Allow life to be like 275 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: a pendulum that swings just a couple inches each way. 276 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: Stay in balance, stay in center. That was a big 277 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: thing when I was growing up. Center yourself, stay in balance. 278 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: And so even though saturn is um has the inhibition 279 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: and the reserve and the isolation and um all of 280 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: the negative things, it also has the depositive. It does 281 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: it is perseverance, it's concentration series, it's ability to learn 282 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: from experience. I mean, how can that be good and bad? Yeah? 283 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: I think as humans and especially Americans, we've talked about 284 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: this on the podcast recently, we are so pleasure oriented 285 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: that we think if something does not provide pleasure and 286 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: a lot of sense, immediate pleasure, that it is bad, 287 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: like I think we specifically Americans categorize it that way. 288 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: Like that hurts a little bit. Forget about the rest 289 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: of the learning and the process and all this stuff 290 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: that is bad. Does that make sense? What sure with 291 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: the lifetime too? You know? Oh, I know, but I'm 292 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: just saying I yeah, but I just think that that's 293 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: what I've learned from the band. Yeah. Yes, But if 294 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: you look at everything as an opportunity and say to yourself, 295 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: what is this trying to show me? What is what 296 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: are they teaching me when you look at other people, 297 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: what are they teaching me? When we look at when 298 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: we go through struggles and situations? What am I learning? 299 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: This is enough ortunity and you face it, and you 300 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: face it. You see Capricorn at the top of the um, 301 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: at the top of the wheel. This is the last 302 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: earth side. It is the last sign to become the 303 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:24,719 Speaker 1: master of this dimension. So that is a real true task, 304 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: to become the master of a third dimensional dual reality. 305 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: It's not easy. It wasn't meant to be easy. And 306 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: so you know, you also got to look at the morals, 307 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: how we see, how we see good and bad, how 308 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: we interpret the black and white, The good and the bad. 309 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: You know, Carl, you wrote the four Christianity evil was 310 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: not quite so evil because of the interpretation. Yes, yeah, 311 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: And so you have to understand the saturn is a 312 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: symbol of the psychic process that uses the experiences of pain, restriction, 313 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: and discipline as a mean for a greater consciousness and fulfillment. 314 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: Remember again, Saturn delays, it doesn't deny. So you're going 315 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: to eventually manifest what you want. It may not come 316 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: what you just described in the mediate moment, but if 317 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: you work hard enough, responsible and create it within your 318 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: mind a higher level of understanding, and you will manifest it. 319 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: And that's how saturn works. So the individual and psychic 320 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: psyche is a motive and and impulse towards wholeness and 321 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: completeness that is becoming the high self. So completeness is 322 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: where every human quality has its place, and it's contained 323 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: in a harmonious way within the whole. So in other words, 324 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: you're eating, you're you're What you promised God when you 325 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: came here was to serve humanity all his children. Who well, 326 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: he's not going to choose what you do, but he 327 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: is going to look at how you do it. Mm hmm. Okay, 328 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: that one is a really interesting one to me, that 329 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: all that's pining is like what's happening politically, and so like, 330 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: I think it's just so interesting. And the big thing 331 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: I've been saying is like we have to stop thinking 332 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: only for ourselves, like this is for we have to 333 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: think for everyone, for the greater good and all of 334 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: that stuff. And there's definitely seems there's two different sides 335 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: of that, and so I just wonder how that plays out, 336 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: because that isn't the way it was intended to be. 337 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: It isn't at the point, you're never going to know 338 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: how it plays out until you wait to see it 339 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: play out. Because who was in control? God? That's right. 340 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: Don't don't be whippy and say that, well, Kelly, God, 341 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: God is in charge. He's the only one that knows. 342 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: He's the only one that knows the plan. Let it 343 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: play out right, you know. So Saturday is known as 344 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: the malific is what we call it in a in astrology. 345 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: It's molific because it's virtues are dreary, self control, tact, fripp, 346 00:27:54,560 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: and caution. The vices are particularly unpleasant because they operate 347 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: through the emotion called fear. Whatever you fear you will attract, 348 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: create and face it forever. And this is why my 349 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: greatest challenge was to always face every single fear that 350 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: I possibly can. When I started living my life to 351 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: face every fear that comes up within sight of me, 352 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: I started reconciling my saturny. I mean, I started becoming 353 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: the master of my fate by looking at everything as opportunity. 354 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: So when you say that I'm writing this down, when 355 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: you face your fears and look at them as opportunities, 356 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: what does that look like? Well? So I was teaching 357 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: a I was holding meeting with all the hypno hypnotists 358 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 1: um in the n H and one of the guys 359 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: came up to me and says, hey, I got a 360 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 1: school that wants to teach that wants a stage hypnotists. 361 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: Do you know one? And immediately I could feel in 362 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: my chest the fear of doing that, and I said, 363 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: oh shit, So I had to do that. So I 364 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: studied it, I went to a conference on it. I 365 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: created a whole plan to create the stage of doses 366 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: and I did it. I hated it, but I did it, 367 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: and I made everybody laugh. I hypnotized. Out of the 368 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: twenty people I've narrowed it down to three and we 369 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: had a good time, and it was And so I 370 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: learned to face my fear by increasing my education, and 371 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: I no longer have any doubt. Yeah, it loses its 372 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: power when you face it. That's right. There is no 373 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: power in a fear. A fear is all made up 374 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: in your mind. There's no such thing as fear. And 375 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 1: so so when we look at this as your what 376 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: what you were trying to define earlier as the calm hump, 377 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes this corresponds to painful circumstances that appear not to 378 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: be connected with weakness or flaws of your person or personality, 379 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: but from events that happened out of nowhere. And of 380 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: course this is why Saturn is also known as the 381 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: Lord of the world. He is the keeper of records, 382 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: and Saturn is the lord of karma, and he keeps 383 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: a perfect set of records of everything you've ever been 384 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: and done ever And like you acted with surprised that 385 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: I would be scared as fuck of scap Saturn. Like 386 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: it sounds so scary, but it's not when you face it. Yeah, 387 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: you see, that's the boy. It sounds scary, that's fear. Yeah, 388 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: it sounds scary. That's fear. And so the what what 389 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: the payoff is if Saturn is also becomes once you've 390 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: paid the prices, Saturday becomes the angel of presence. Saturn 391 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: becomes the angel of light, which is now the keys 392 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: to the gate of heaven. And through him um we 393 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: alone we achieve eventual freedom through self understanding. So when 394 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: you use the words what am I learning? How am 395 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: I responsible? Everything in your life, you will increase your 396 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: consciousness What am I learning? And how am I responsible? Yeah? Like, 397 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: what's my participation? There? Always is exactly and then that 398 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: that see, that brings you into center where you stand 399 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: in your power because you're not in the world of 400 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: duality that's good and bad. You're just accepting of what is. 401 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: You had no option to change in anyway. Yeah, it 402 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: was always going to happen, and it was going to happen, 403 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, that's just like but that's just like success. 404 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: What do you mean, Well you succeed and you go, oh, 405 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: I made it? But right, did you really or they did? 406 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: Did it just seem to unfold that way? They just 407 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: seemed to work out that way? Well, then you see 408 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: m h and that's why you know the challenges to 409 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: stay in the moment. Okay, So that's Saturn. Now you say, okay, 410 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: well I've paid the price and it discipline in this 411 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,239 Speaker 1: dour and it's all these negative things. But you know, 412 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: the planet of expansion and grat and uh success and 413 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: attraction of all the right things to achieve success is Jupiter. Okay. 414 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: So this is where we're going to talk about how 415 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: they worked together, and this is why I was confused earlier. 416 00:33:52,720 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: So let's talk about unds really fun because it see, 417 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: and this is what you gotta understand. It ain't Life 418 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: is not all misery and challenge and duty and work. 419 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: It's also fun. There's also opportunity and it's pleasures. And 420 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: so the cycle of Saturns is twenty nine years. So 421 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: when you have a Saturn return, you're facing all of 422 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: what you've been conditioned and programmed with from the past 423 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: life as well as this one, and now your challenges 424 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: in timing, and you're saying, oh my god, now I'm married, 425 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: I got children, I got a mortgage, I got a 426 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: car payment, I got a job in a career, and 427 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: I have to be responsible for all of them. Do 428 00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: you think there's a little precture on you. And it's 429 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: the pressure because you've been trying to live up to 430 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 1: the conditioning and the programming of what you've been learning 431 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: since childhood. And at that point, at thirty years old, 432 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: you've got a side. Wait a minute, let me think 433 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 1: about what I want, how this world fits for me, 434 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: how I want to make it in the world. And 435 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: that's the beginning of individuality at years old. And so 436 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: um the Jupiter, which is at you know, fun loving 437 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: high wire act of party, party to your faith. That 438 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: happens every twelve years, so you get to jupiters to 439 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: one Saturny, Well, that's nice, thank you, it seems. Are 440 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: you feeling a little better now? Care? Yeah? And so 441 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: what while we're looking at it's not just a Um 442 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: Saturn return because you have two of them in the 443 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: average life. You have their twenty nine and thirty and 444 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: fifty nine and sixty okay, and so at both those ages, 445 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: I mean when you get the fifty nine is to 446 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, fifty nine years old, nine, you're starting to 447 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: look at well, ship I'm living, this is the last 448 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: part of my life. What what have I have? I 449 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: accomplished everything? How do I want to leave my personal stamp. 450 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: What can I give back to the world, How can 451 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: I use my creativity in the most profound way? At 452 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: twenty nine years old, you're just trying to you know, 453 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: become response pnsible citizen. You're you're trying to find your 454 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: way in the world on your own terms. But Saturn 455 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: is a challenge every seven years. Have you ever heard 456 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: of the seven year itch? Oh yeah, uh huh, that's 457 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: a Saturn square after you're married. So a square is 458 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: a challenge. Where is the weak link in the marriage. 459 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:38,280 Speaker 1: That's what's going to be challenged. And so at fourteen 460 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 1: years So at seven years old, we that's the first 461 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: stage of consciousness. You're just you're just a minicking organism 462 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: until you hit seven. Then at fourteen years old, recognize 463 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: that day. At fourteen years old, you're coming into your 464 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: teenage years. You're starting get a little frisky, uh, starting 465 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 1: to get your hormones. And now you're starting to really 466 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, doll up and express yourself to the opposite 467 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: sex or whomever. At twenty one years old, seven years 468 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: again is your Saturn opposition. Now all of a sudden, 469 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: you're trying to break free from that conditioning of parents. 470 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: You're trying to show that you're a grown up. You're 471 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: trying to show that you can go out in the 472 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: world and be responsible and do your own thing. You 473 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: can legally drink alcohol, you can drink out. Oh you're 474 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: a legal person. Now you can go out and be 475 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: just as idiotic and ignorant as you want, as long 476 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: as you're able to pay the price. And then at 477 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: twenty nine years old, you're starting, you're settling down. You've 478 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: probably met some sort of restrictions. That's going to man 479 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: demand responsibilities and disciplines and letting go of that. The 480 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: twenties of this ain't nothing but one big party, right huh. 481 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: And then at thirty years old, you're coming in and 482 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: you're going at another Saturn square at h thirty four, 483 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: thirty five years old, and you're going, oh man, this 484 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 1: is a ship storm on wheels. So this is all 485 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: when we meet that Saturn square. Well, you got a 486 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: Saturn square, you got a Saturn opposition. Okay, I see 487 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 1: what you're saying. It's got a Saturn conjunction. So everything 488 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: Saturn is going to demand that you look reality. You've come, 489 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: You've you've created it in consciousness, and now you have 490 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: to answer for Yeah, do you not have to answer 491 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: for everything you do with life anyway? That just happens 492 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: to be the big demarcation point. So we know that 493 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: Saturn is moving around like that. So let's take a 494 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: look at this. Your Saturn is in your sick house 495 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: of work. So in two thousand and eleven, tell me 496 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: about your everyday work routines, health habots going on in 497 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: your two thousand eleven Yeah, well, okay, my world sort 498 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: of fell apart like around that time I was engaged. 499 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: It was we canceled the wedding, and then I threw 500 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: myself into work and that whole thing started really building, 501 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: like the career that I have now. I would say 502 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,720 Speaker 1: it's probably when I started working with like my longest 503 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: client that I still have. Okay, so you threw yourself 504 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: into work. Yeah, and of course, you know the I 505 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: would imagine that when you canceled the wedding, Um, you 506 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 1: were canceling out. You know, however long the courtship was, 507 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: it must have not been making you feel good. So 508 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: your health was probably a little bit of a challenge 509 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: because you were emotional. You're a I mean, I imagine 510 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 1: I have to believe you were a total wreck. This 511 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:37,760 Speaker 1: is correct, accurate, Okay, and so but look at what happened. 512 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: You decide to follow your gut, You defied to follow 513 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: what was true to you, and you got into your 514 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: work life, the work that is now unfolding in your life. 515 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: And so that was the payoff to become self responsible, 516 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: self discipline, start following you know how you created your 517 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: life and began really began the kickoff of your work 518 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,959 Speaker 1: towards success in life. Yeah, and then on a personal level, 519 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 1: that was when I started recovery, like got into therapy. 520 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 1: It was all around that time. So I was really 521 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 1: diving into the part where you said how am I responsible? 522 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: What am I learning? And how am I responsible? I 523 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,760 Speaker 1: actually knew. I was like, there's something in me that 524 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 1: participated in all of this craziness and dysfunction and whatever 525 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 1: you wanna call it. And so I started taking using 526 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: that practice. Then I guess see, we we look at 527 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,240 Speaker 1: the six house of of work. This is unequal relationships. 528 00:42:54,320 --> 00:43:00,800 Speaker 1: It's unequal relationships. You have bosses, you have people to 529 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 1: work under you. So you have to learn how to 530 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: start engaging with society and becoming a part of something 531 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 1: bigger than just yourself. Hmm. So there has to be 532 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: a synthesis, a purification gestation, which now the internal in 533 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 1: the external start matching each other. Okay, and this is 534 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: why you started going into therapy, trying to organize and 535 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: synthesize your inner and outer emotions. That makes sense. Okay, 536 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: how do you start expressing yourself in the world. So 537 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 1: this is the this is the ritual of the health 538 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: of the body. You know, that's the old axiom. Healthy 539 00:43:50,680 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 1: people don't get sick. I mean working people. Oh don't 540 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: get sick. M okay, I'm processing that, but I'm not 541 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: really getting anything. Well, let me see, I might not 542 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: be saying this exactly like I want to say it. Um, 543 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,399 Speaker 1: busy people. Busy people don't get sick because you don't 544 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 1: have time to get sick. You ain't right time to 545 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: think about yourself. Okay. You're thinking about what you're doing, 546 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: what you're creating, what you're involved in. This that's other 547 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 1: people are depending on you for You're a part of 548 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 1: a whole, You're part of something bigger than you, and 549 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: that's the beginning of getting healthy. So it provides the 550 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: opportunity and you've got to go through frustration, disappointment, you 551 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: might even go through some health challenges, but the internal 552 00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: externally evaluation the mind, body, soul leads to a greater consciousness, 553 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: greater happiness potential. So everyone has saturn in a specific house, 554 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: and that is kind of where when maybe it's making 555 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: all these conjunctions, like the saturn return that whatever is 556 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,439 Speaker 1: that where we feel it the most? Whatever? I mean, 557 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,959 Speaker 1: you know, if we go seven, four, one, and twenty nine, 558 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 1: so now you're you're moving into your midlife at forty. 559 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,280 Speaker 1: So let's go twenty nine and thirty six. What happened 560 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 1: to thirty six years old and thirty seven years old? 561 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: And I was killing it at that time, like work wise, 562 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: but then it all collapsed. So there you go. That's 563 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 1: the truth. All of the things that we're going so 564 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 1: well collapsed like they weren't an alignment. Though they really weren't. 565 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,720 Speaker 1: I can see it. And what's the parable. Don't build 566 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 1: your house on rock and sand as the wind and 567 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:22,280 Speaker 1: rain d corrupt. So you built the house on sand 568 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: and locked and was unstable. You had to learn and 569 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 1: face all the decisions that laid up to that success 570 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:40,359 Speaker 1: and then failure. So very true. Now you're building on 571 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:47,799 Speaker 1: your next seven years Okay, that makes sense. I mean, yeah, 572 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,879 Speaker 1: but you've got but you had. I mean, look at 573 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 1: twelve years old or thirty or twelve years old, you're 574 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: a Jupiter return. What happened to twelve years old? Why 575 00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 1: would you ask me this off the cuff like I 576 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:10,360 Speaker 1: would remember? I have no idea the words in you 577 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: were turning a teenager? Yeah? How was that? How was 578 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: that unfolding? I thank you? Remark thinking I remembered our 579 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,760 Speaker 1: last conversation about being gangly and ugly and the duck 580 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: and all that, but you started recognizing it that I 581 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: was ugly. Well, now that you were that that that 582 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: you were happy to try to you know. I mean 583 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,759 Speaker 1: what a teenagers knew when they first get started. They 584 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: have to come to terms with who they are, how 585 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 1: they're fitting in with their classmates, how they're looking, and 586 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:58,399 Speaker 1: am I attractive? And who's gonna want me? And then 587 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,520 Speaker 1: at twenty four years old, which would have been two 588 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: thousand and six, who'd you bring in? Well? I think 589 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: that's when I started doing here in makeup. Yeah, so 590 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: you were you were drawn towards an opportunity that would 591 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,839 Speaker 1: be a to help you to make to make financial 592 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 1: gain and to start being responsible to it towards achievement. 593 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: So those are your two Jupiter returns. And so you 594 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: see and the last I got it and read I 595 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,640 Speaker 1: don't know if you printed it off, but your Saturn 596 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 1: Jupiter new phase. What is the very last sentence? It's 597 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 1: the reality. But I'm like, have I not had enough yet? Well, 598 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,360 Speaker 1: you don't want us to throw door on you yet. True. 599 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: It says that I use relations ships to learn my 600 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,359 Speaker 1: toughest lessons. Well, there you go, and where are those 601 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 1: relationships going to manifest most in your work? Really? That 602 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,480 Speaker 1: is interesting because my love relationships have been my toughest 603 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,279 Speaker 1: lessons thus far. Well, that's because you've been so rebellious. 604 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:26,279 Speaker 1: What do you mean you want freedom, Kelly? You did 605 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 1: not realize the extent of how much freedom you want. 606 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:37,319 Speaker 1: You're an individualist and somebody that you are going to 607 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 1: finally get a relationship with is going to have to 608 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: accept you on their your terms, and you're going to 609 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:50,480 Speaker 1: have to accept them on their terms. So until that occurs, 610 00:49:51,800 --> 00:50:00,120 Speaker 1: it's gonna be blood in the water. But that's not 611 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,799 Speaker 1: where your success and joy and fun and life's going 612 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:08,879 Speaker 1: to be. You're going to be very successful. You will 613 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,720 Speaker 1: have all the riches and desires you could ever want, 614 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,920 Speaker 1: and it's all gonna come from your work, and it's 615 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,799 Speaker 1: going to be the greater consciousness. Because what are you? 616 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,879 Speaker 1: What are you doing now? You are? You are? You 617 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 1: are trying to discover the truth of reality through your show, 618 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,960 Speaker 1: through the things you do, and these are going to 619 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,280 Speaker 1: serve you and all that you served to a great extent. 620 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,000 Speaker 1: You have Capricorn on the tenth house. It will be delayed, 621 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: but it is assured. So do you want to go 622 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:57,520 Speaker 1: through your lessons? What do you want to face your 623 00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,839 Speaker 1: fears that you can have all the grandeur of what 624 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:08,160 Speaker 1: you can desire? Of course I do. Then then give 625 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:16,319 Speaker 1: it up. Mace your fears. You don't have to worry 626 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 1: about what they are. You only have to worry about 627 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: a fear in the moment that you're facing it. Yeah, 628 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,840 Speaker 1: just make up your mind you're going to face a 629 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: fear no matter what, and that you have all the tools. 630 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:40,640 Speaker 1: You have, every every tool at your disposal to become enlightened. 631 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:47,120 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, everybody does. Yeah, exactly. So if you've got 632 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: the tools to overcome all the restrictions of saturny, the 633 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:58,360 Speaker 1: challenges of saturny, the responsibilities and disciplines of saturny and 634 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,960 Speaker 1: know that at the end you will succeed beyond your 635 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:08,920 Speaker 1: wildest dreams. Would it be worth to go through a 636 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:14,040 Speaker 1: little video year or two of a Sadden return, Well, 637 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 1: it definitely. When we look at it that way, it 638 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,920 Speaker 1: takes the power away again. It's that same thing of 639 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,359 Speaker 1: like it's not so powerful and if you just face it, 640 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,319 Speaker 1: you get to the other side and all the things 641 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,600 Speaker 1: you want can be there, like you said, but I 642 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,920 Speaker 1: think it's like for me at least, I get really 643 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,359 Speaker 1: stuck sometimes and this hurts so bad, Like I just 644 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,399 Speaker 1: don't want to feel this way, you know, when you're 645 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 1: in the lake. But that's that's part of the personality 646 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:48,640 Speaker 1: and the individuality is that's because you wanted it to be, 647 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: wanting it to be the way you wanted to be, 648 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 1: instead of accepting it the way it is right life 649 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,280 Speaker 1: on life's terms. That's been a big theme lately. Well, 650 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,600 Speaker 1: but we all have to face that. We've all faced 651 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,960 Speaker 1: it in hardship many many times. It's always going to 652 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 1: be I mean, you know, this world is nothing but 653 00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,120 Speaker 1: a game board played by egos, and it's always going 654 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:21,440 Speaker 1: to be enough challenges to challenge our specific need so 655 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:27,040 Speaker 1: that we grow from it. So that's why it's important. 656 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,920 Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about this every time, but to 657 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,759 Speaker 1: understand your own chart because where it's hitting it just 658 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:37,040 Speaker 1: makes it for me so much easier to process through 659 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,840 Speaker 1: some of the hardships. Even like now that you're talking 660 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,759 Speaker 1: so much about it, being in my sixth house, I 661 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,279 Speaker 1: am able to look at the last three years that 662 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: have been really crazy for me work wise, and also 663 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,040 Speaker 1: to know that, like, I want to build differently this 664 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,200 Speaker 1: time because it was built on a really rocky, out 665 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 1: of a line meant foundation, and so that's always going 666 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,360 Speaker 1: to crash. It's you that now. I couldn't see it 667 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,919 Speaker 1: at the time, But what are you looking for right now? 668 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,400 Speaker 1: And so I just come across a favorite quote that 669 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 1: we can we can tie all this together. If one 670 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:20,719 Speaker 1: does not mold one life to an ideal, one will 671 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:27,680 Speaker 1: mode mode one's ideals to one's life. That is so true. 672 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,920 Speaker 1: I don't even think I think that's Like one of 673 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,359 Speaker 1: the main things I've learned is when I'm out of 674 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 1: touch with myself and I have no because okay, let 675 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,279 Speaker 1: me say that again. When I am just disconnected from 676 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,359 Speaker 1: self and from my higher power. I don't know what 677 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,160 Speaker 1: my values, my ideals, any of those things are. And 678 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,280 Speaker 1: so you do you just start like kind of floating 679 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,319 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, this feels good. Maybe, so I'm 680 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,120 Speaker 1: gonna try that for a second. But like it can be, 681 00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,319 Speaker 1: it can quickly get really out of alignment because you're 682 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:03,080 Speaker 1: then just like gravitating to things but not able to 683 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,120 Speaker 1: ask yourself if it's truly in alignment with who you are, 684 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,239 Speaker 1: your highest self and where you want to go. Like, 685 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,680 Speaker 1: all the stuff that I was doing was very temporary 686 00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,360 Speaker 1: because I was gripping to this certain kind of success. 687 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,040 Speaker 1: I thought I needed to have to quote unquote you know, 688 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:23,040 Speaker 1: really make it. And so then it fell apart and 689 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,759 Speaker 1: you and and all and all the pressure of the 690 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,880 Speaker 1: hurry I get there exactly. Especially by the time I 691 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,200 Speaker 1: was forty, that was like the big thing, you know. 692 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:38,239 Speaker 1: I was like, give you better have this figured out. Yeah, 693 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,719 Speaker 1: I know, I promise you. That's a new that's a 694 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:49,839 Speaker 1: whole new ride. Yeah. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to 695 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,960 Speaker 1: my forties. Don't taint it. I'm not going to tell 696 00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:00,640 Speaker 1: you about it. Oh God, here we go. Well, anyway, 697 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,279 Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting. I don't know I mean 698 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,359 Speaker 1: I think it's we can't change it. Like you said, 699 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,800 Speaker 1: it's energy, which I keep saying over and over. Energy 700 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:12,320 Speaker 1: is everything, and so understanding it and kind of having 701 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,960 Speaker 1: understanding it helps me get to a place of acceptance 702 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,080 Speaker 1: of like, this is what it is, and so you're 703 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,200 Speaker 1: just a part of the ride instead of trying to 704 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,080 Speaker 1: control it and change it. Well, I and what I 705 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:28,960 Speaker 1: would submit, energy is energy, but all is mind? All 706 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:39,840 Speaker 1: is mind? Oh what everything it's in your mind? Oh right, Oh, 707 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,120 Speaker 1: it ain't the energy. You decide what the energy is good? 708 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 1: What energy is bad? All this is good. It's feelings. 709 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,880 Speaker 1: This is why you've got such a wonderful opportunity to 710 00:56:55,160 --> 00:57:00,680 Speaker 1: follow your feelings. When you follow your feelings, Kelly, you're 711 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:06,600 Speaker 1: in the right values. If it feels good, take it 712 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,839 Speaker 1: from my sixty generation. If it feels good, do it. 713 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:16,120 Speaker 1: If you don't feel good, don't do it. I'm really 714 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,440 Speaker 1: starting to lean into that. Well, so that's how you 715 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:26,720 Speaker 1: start controlling the emotions. Instead of playing letting them play you. 716 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 1: You allow the emotions to dissipate. They have no strength, 717 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:36,800 Speaker 1: they have there is no fear. I mean, you know, 718 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,000 Speaker 1: hard work is just hard work. You work hard, anyway. 719 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:47,440 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I mean you know sometimes it just I mean, 720 00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,800 Speaker 1: you don't look when you're you go through periods of 721 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,960 Speaker 1: life you don't want to work hard. You just want 722 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,160 Speaker 1: what you want when you want it, right. Well, that 723 00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,920 Speaker 1: ain't the way it works. It's never gonna happen like 724 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:08,320 Speaker 1: kay ever, there's always there's always a toll to pay, 725 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:16,120 Speaker 1: and it's a good toll because ultimately you realize, you know, 726 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,120 Speaker 1: when you get old like me, you go, that was 727 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:30,200 Speaker 1: worth it. Now it's now it's uh pretty easy. Yeah, 728 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,600 Speaker 1: I've been saying over and over I just needed to 729 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,880 Speaker 1: be easy for a second because I'm so tired. But 730 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,640 Speaker 1: it's probably because I'm putting some energy in places I 731 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,800 Speaker 1: don't need to as well well, and that is what 732 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:49,960 Speaker 1: creates imbalanceing health. So this is why you've got to 733 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,040 Speaker 1: get to the place to where you're always wanting to 734 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,200 Speaker 1: get to the place as a cancer, to control the 735 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,800 Speaker 1: emotions because whatever energy the emotions are running is just 736 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:09,160 Speaker 1: her being your your health, your body. So um, that 737 00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,880 Speaker 1: starts at a higher level. See everybody says body mind soul. 738 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:18,000 Speaker 1: I think healing actually should be known as soul mind 739 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:24,120 Speaker 1: body because whatever is in disharmony starts at the soul 740 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:30,160 Speaker 1: level and it filters down into the mind and then 741 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,960 Speaker 1: how are you going to think about it? And then 742 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:38,680 Speaker 1: that filters down into the body. That's how the mind 743 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:47,960 Speaker 1: is manifesting. It. Fascinating stuff. Marv, all right, we'll tell 744 00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:55,200 Speaker 1: people what hardwin one. That one. I mean, it's just 745 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,480 Speaker 1: the thing is is like when I was reading when 746 00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,600 Speaker 1: we were first talking about Saturn, I was just like, Uh, 747 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,760 Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel positive. But it is. I mean 748 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,320 Speaker 1: in the fact that I guess I have questions still 749 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,680 Speaker 1: about like what about the people who don't learn and 750 01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,480 Speaker 1: grow during their Saturn return and their Saturn changes, Like 751 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,040 Speaker 1: what happens? But when I go through a hell of 752 01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:22,000 Speaker 1: a lot of pain, Yeah, it's just more pain. Yeah, 753 01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:27,080 Speaker 1: at his struggle and they become they become rolling stones, tumbleweeds. 754 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:33,760 Speaker 1: They don't accomplish, they don't create. You see um a Bertie, Uh, 755 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,920 Speaker 1: I think it was well one of the great big 756 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,160 Speaker 1: heavy people around uh the um time said, if you 757 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:47,080 Speaker 1: don't start the individualation process at twenty nine years old, 758 01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,160 Speaker 1: if you don't at least set the seed to individual, 759 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,320 Speaker 1: your life is just going to become kind of a 760 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,040 Speaker 1: lived out draft, and you can see people that are 761 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,560 Speaker 1: doing that. I mean ed your Casey talked about people 762 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,080 Speaker 1: that gain you did lost, and your Casey talked about 763 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,600 Speaker 1: this was a lost lifetime. What do you mean, Well, 764 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,680 Speaker 1: they didn't accomplish what they came to come into a 765 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:16,600 Speaker 1: coh Okay, okay. You see your personality and the ego 766 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:23,120 Speaker 1: would not accept the teachings of the pain. Pain is 767 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,480 Speaker 1: the great teacher husband for me, I don't really change 768 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:31,720 Speaker 1: without pain. I'll say that pain is inevitable, but just 769 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,760 Speaker 1: that change the gay of the glory is on the 770 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:39,440 Speaker 1: other side. Yeah, I like that. Hope far greater than this. 771 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,680 Speaker 1: All right, Marv, tell the people where they can find 772 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,480 Speaker 1: you if they want to find out where their saturn 773 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,840 Speaker 1: sits in their chart, and more about what they can 774 01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,560 Speaker 1: expect in their own life or even looking back. I 775 01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,720 Speaker 1: think it's really interesting to look back at what was 776 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,680 Speaker 1: happening at those specific times because then you're like, oh 777 01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:03,480 Speaker 1: my god, it all makes sense. Well, it's measurable. Yeah, 778 01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,480 Speaker 1: it could be looked at in retrospect, and the energy 779 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,960 Speaker 1: is there. I mean, you see a person that it's 780 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,960 Speaker 1: not an astrologer. How could I just arbitrarily start bringing 781 01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:19,280 Speaker 1: up these dates. Okay, so now you've got to understand 782 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,959 Speaker 1: that there's some sort of uh symmetry, there's some sort 783 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:28,240 Speaker 1: of system that's far greater than the than the no 784 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:34,200 Speaker 1: known universe what you'd think, you know. Yeah, and so 785 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,720 Speaker 1: that's what is I mean, that's what for me was 786 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:46,120 Speaker 1: always so validating as somebody could know its characteristics about 787 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:51,680 Speaker 1: me that never even knew me. It's wild and that 788 01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,760 Speaker 1: that started me on a fifty two year trek. Yeah. 789 01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,160 Speaker 1: So you can reach me at Marvin at asked tro 790 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,880 Speaker 1: marv dot com through my email, or you can go 791 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:11,000 Speaker 1: to my website at astro marv dot com. Okay, we'll 792 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,760 Speaker 1: go check it out. I'll put all this info in 793 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:17,360 Speaker 1: the description of this podcast. Marv. Thanks again for being here. 794 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,520 Speaker 1: I have lots of process after this one. I feel 795 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,040 Speaker 1: like I was kind of quiet because it's a lot 796 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:25,640 Speaker 1: to take in. But um, I do appreciate the breakdowns. 797 01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,400 Speaker 1: I think they're really helpful. And we'll see what's Saturn 798 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:38,000 Speaker 1: and Jupiter bring next. We'll have a wonderful birthday. Thank you. Yes, 799 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,640 Speaker 1: I can't wait to come back and tell you all 800 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,800 Speaker 1: about it. You better buy me a damn key shirt. 801 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:52,840 Speaker 1: I came to Bolly but my friend is home. Well 802 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,160 Speaker 1: that's depressing. So I'll find something that's a little more positive. 803 01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:00,320 Speaker 1: You'll get a Bolli key chain though. Get ready, my 804 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,840 Speaker 1: dear Okay, thanks Marvi, and thank you guys for listening. 805 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,240 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson, 806 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,880 Speaker 1: where we believe everyone has a little velvet and a 807 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:14,120 Speaker 1: little edge. Subscribe for more conversations on life, style, beauty 808 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:21,480 Speaker 1: and relationships. 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