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Speaker 2: in Part one of our Conversation with Charlemagne the God,
Speaker 2: we discussed charlemagne'sjourney into becoming one of the biggest voices
Speaker 2: of our time.
Speaker 3: If you haven't, you should check that out.
Speaker 2: Also, don't forget Charlemagne is appearing live on the podcast
Speaker 2: stage at this year's Ruth Picnic, and.
Speaker 3: So is Quest Love Supreme. You don't want to miss that.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get back to it part two of our
Speaker 2: Conversation with Charlemagne the God.
Speaker 4: Because before it was just clips. It was clips that
Speaker 4: would lead you back to the dot com or leyo.
Speaker 4: Nobody's doing it dot com anymore, yo.
Speaker 1: All Right, So when that moment is happening, like I
Speaker 1: guess now you're hyper aware of this can be a
Speaker 1: viral moment where you know, a ten second rant could
Speaker 1: suddenly define you whatever. But as that moment's happening, like
Speaker 1: what's going in your head? Like is this about to
Speaker 1: be about to say some real old Morton Downey Jr?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm That's why I'm like, wow, No, But.
Speaker 1: I mean, like No, that was a moment where like
Speaker 1: the brawl on the Morton Downey Junior Show became like
Speaker 1: super viral. And then of course then there was about
Speaker 1: our studio, uh old boy Horaldo Richard.
Speaker 5: There was a brawl on Richard Bay before he was
Speaker 5: like yeah, he was like the Morton Downy really Jersey.
Speaker 1: So when that moment is happening, like, are you hyper
Speaker 1: aware now that of like one frame could be a
Speaker 1: jiff for life, like the the Soldier Boy Drake movement
Speaker 1: of those things.
Speaker 6: I wasn't you know, it's so funny.
Speaker 4: I remember that day because you know, we pre record
Speaker 4: all our interviews a day early, so we pre recorded
Speaker 4: the Birdman interview a day early and we aired it
Speaker 4: back on April twenty second. Everybody remembers what else happened
Speaker 4: on April twenty first, Prince Prince passes while so I
Speaker 4: remember being I was I was hosting the MTV Upfront.
Speaker 4: I remember being at the upfront getting the news that
Speaker 4: Prince died and I'm like, God, damn Prince died.
Speaker 6: Everybody.
Speaker 4: Then I'm like, we can't play bird Man tomorrow. I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna care about no bird Man interview. Like literally,
Speaker 4: my mindset. That's what I thought. I was like, nobody's
Speaker 4: gonna care. But then I said, different, crowd, it's only
Speaker 4: two minutes thirty seconds. I remember saying this thing. I'm like, name,
Speaker 4: he's only two minutes thirty seconds. We could throw it
Speaker 4: on at like seven and then get back to Prince.
Speaker 5: Even thinking like this interview is a bus. We don't
Speaker 5: got nothing usable.
Speaker 4: I thought it's Prince, Prince passed away. I'm thinking everybody
Speaker 4: and Mama is going to be on Prince.
Speaker 5: But we're of a certain age. Yeah, we.
Speaker 4: Put the interview out and I could be wrong. It
Speaker 4: felt like Birdman was the a side that weekend.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 4: It was like that was the same weekend Prince passed away.
Speaker 4: But my whole timeline is put some respect on it.
Speaker 4: Memes and see that's the other thing, right, you can
Speaker 4: you can know something's gonna go viral, but you don't
Speaker 4: know the life is gonna take on the internet comes
Speaker 4: something completely.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, respect no, because you better do
Speaker 5: it now. I'd have made so many respects because in.
Speaker 4: My mind I'm thinking, like I knew he was gonna
Speaker 4: come up there. I knew he was coming up there.
Speaker 4: Wiley because you know, one of the record reps hit
Speaker 4: me like a couple of weeks before, and he was like.
Speaker 6: No, he didn't want me.
Speaker 4: He just said, Birdman wants to come on such and
Speaker 4: such date. He wants to make sure that you're there
Speaker 4: now listen. That's number one, but also number two, I
Speaker 4: know what I've said about bird Man. I'm self aware
Speaker 4: and now I'm not gonna act clueless like I didn't
Speaker 4: see that about like, I know the things that I
Speaker 4: was saying.
Speaker 6: And that's why before he even came in, if you notice, there's.
Speaker 4: Like an overhead view because I hold everybody turned the
Speaker 4: cameras on before he walks in, cameras I told him,
Speaker 4: I said, turn the cameras on before he walks in,
Speaker 4: because I just knew he was coming in on something
Speaker 4: and he ain't wait soon as he hit the doll.
Speaker 4: It wasn't no high I know nothing, y'all. Motherfucker's put
Speaker 4: some respect on my name. And because the interview is
Speaker 4: only two minutes thirty seconds wrestling, he was on air
Speaker 4: for forty if that. Because the interview starts with me
Speaker 4: saying power, Powerfire, Breakfast Club, Birdman talks and I'm like Noah, no, no,
Speaker 4: Birdman just came in here and checked all of us.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, get it off your chest, bird Man. And
Speaker 4: then that's that's when you know, led to this single
Speaker 4: file storm out.
Speaker 5: Wow have you.
Speaker 3: Ever been knocked off your square? And that went away
Speaker 3: on on mic.
Speaker 4: No I about to see I got pushed in the
Speaker 4: back of the head. But that's not enough. I mean, like, really, wait,
Speaker 4: an artists got pugilistic. It wasn't an artistic I mean,
Speaker 4: somebody came with a camera. This was like twenty eleven.
Speaker 4: They recorded it, though they put it on video. It
Speaker 4: was all world Star. That was full world Star. That's
Speaker 4: why that was full white Star.
Speaker 1: I was like an instant somewhere. I'm sorry, no, I'm playing, but.
Speaker 2: Like literally because you you seem like, of course they're
Speaker 2: edits and all kinds of things, But even with the
Speaker 2: bird Man thing, there's been so many situations you always focused.
Speaker 4: In a way. I'm glad you said that about the
Speaker 4: edits because I could edit all of that stuff if
Speaker 4: I wanted to. But it's like, what's the point I can't.
Speaker 4: You shouldn't be able as a personality to say what
Speaker 4: you want about people, not not let them get theirs off.
Speaker 4: So if I don't care if it's Beanie, Seagull, Master
Speaker 4: p Frado start, any of these guys we have come
Speaker 4: in there and and got at me. It's like I'd
Speaker 4: be I'd be whacked to edit that, and Beans too.
Speaker 1: Okay, can you talk about that incident? Do you guys
Speaker 1: know what happened? No, in Philly.
Speaker 5: You remember when Beans is like making all these rhymes
Speaker 5: about jay Z.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're talking about with searle Man.
Speaker 1: Yes, he felt a bet you you would have possibly
Speaker 1: appreciated it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, be Bean's had an issue at Hove and he
Speaker 4: called in. He called in my radio show on a
Speaker 4: Friday morning. I played it back that Friday and went
Speaker 4: crazy viow that weekend. I think Jay even got asked
Speaker 4: about it because he was on tour at the time.
Speaker 6: And then one day I got fired.
Speaker 4: Wait, you got.
Speaker 2: Fired because Bean said something in an interview about Hove.
Speaker 4: And that's where everybody says jay Z got me fired.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's.
Speaker 2: True or not, because he would have got me fired
Speaker 2: for sam what I said to him in his face
Speaker 2: on the radio in Philly.
Speaker 4: What I think it was at the time. I think
Speaker 4: you had people in Philly. You know it's jay Zy.
Speaker 5: We all love.
Speaker 3: I mean it's the number one market too.
Speaker 4: I think sometimes people bring sacrifices to Jay, like here's
Speaker 4: a lamb, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Like, Jay, here's a here's a gerbil for you. I bought.
Speaker 6: I did that his gold.
Speaker 4: So I think that was one of those things like
Speaker 4: Beanie said that about you on Charlomagne show he got
Speaker 4: rid of Charlotte. I think it was one of those things.
Speaker 4: Beans Yeah, I don't think it was a call like yo.
Speaker 6: Get rid of him from Hole. I don't know. It's
Speaker 6: not that petty. I just don't think so.
Speaker 5: But then where's your mind's like where do I go?
Speaker 6: You know what's so interesting?
Speaker 4: There's a lad TV interview I did right after I
Speaker 4: I think it was the day I got fired, and
Speaker 4: I literally said, this is just another stepping stone. I said,
Speaker 4: I'll be back on the radio and like a year
Speaker 4: or so, and you know, Scott's the limit, Like I
Speaker 4: literally say that. I say that in the lad TV
Speaker 4: interview and that's literally how I felt how I felt.
Speaker 6: You gotta think I already been fired four times?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you got your speech already written. Number you told
Speaker 5: me you.
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody till you get fired in the three times
Speaker 2: they say three day say if you get fired three No,
Speaker 2: they said, you're nobody if you get fired once.
Speaker 6: If you get fired three times, you're a superstar.
Speaker 4: S it is.
Speaker 3: Not today though, Yo.
Speaker 7: I would have asked you, man the ray J interview, son, Yeah,
Speaker 7: what was going through your mind while he's on the phone.
Speaker 5: Just man.
Speaker 4: We was almost off air, Like we get off air
Speaker 4: at ten. I think it was like nine thirty, and
Speaker 4: I remember Angeliue gets a call and it's our guy
Speaker 4: Billy and he was like, yo, man, I still didn't
Speaker 4: know what was going on, like ray J and Fab
Speaker 4: such and such and such, ra J wants to call in.
Speaker 4: I'm still like, you know, at the time, he's like,
Speaker 4: wants to call it right now. Him and Fab just
Speaker 4: got into it whatever whatever. So ray J just called
Speaker 4: in and that's what like that literally was. We was
Speaker 4: live at first, like we had to tell him to
Speaker 4: stop cursing and stuff like that, like, and then we
Speaker 4: had to say, hold on, man, we're gonna play the
Speaker 4: rest of this for y'all tomorrow.
Speaker 6: And then we recorded it and it.
Speaker 4: Became the Seven Rolls rooices and everything else you'll here.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I keep telling them we need to get ray J.
Speaker 2: He's one of the best interviews and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: You can't even script Man like the bird Man moment,
Speaker 4: the ray J moment, like that's just radio magic, Like
Speaker 4: like you don't script those, like you don't say, hey,
Speaker 4: this is going to happen today. Those are just those
Speaker 4: things that happen in live radio, and you just got
Speaker 4: to be prepared for it.
Speaker 7: Can you tell there's some uh there people that come
Speaker 7: up where you can kind of tell they may be
Speaker 7: kind of fishing for that viral moment, like they kind of.
Speaker 5: As a guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And and I've had people say that and
Speaker 4: then when the interview was over, they'd be like, that's gonna.
Speaker 6: Go on world stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 4: Luca Frederi, I remember, but I remember he did that,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, because because the question I
Speaker 4: asked him.
Speaker 6: I asked him because he said it right.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 4: It was something he said about Brandy I think it
Speaker 4: was on a flat TV interview and I asked him
Speaker 4: about it and he got mad at me. But you
Speaker 4: you said it, you know what I mean? And so
Speaker 4: he turned up which I love because I'm an honest fan,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I was happy to
Speaker 4: still see the Rye ray, you know, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, I was. I was happy about that, right,
Speaker 4: So it was so but I remember when the interview
Speaker 4: was over, he was like, Yo, that's gonna that's gonna
Speaker 4: make some noise on world stuff.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, so you started wanting to
Speaker 2: be a super jock, then you became a super jock.
Speaker 3: Then what did you decide was next?
Speaker 6: Oh as far as what.
Speaker 3: What you were gonna do?
Speaker 2: Because you said you just as far as I knew before,
Speaker 2: you just wanted to be a super job. Oh so
Speaker 2: now you you became a super jobs. Yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 2: so do we say I'm going to have my own network.
Speaker 5: Show?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean definitely, because you know, the more you grow, right,
Speaker 4: the more you see So it's just like we always
Speaker 4: talk about, you know, there's levels to this, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So the more you sin, you know, you start to
Speaker 4: meet new people, and you start to get a bird's
Speaker 4: eye view of the game and more opportunities, and you know,
Speaker 4: now you're getting opportunities that you didn't even think was
Speaker 4: was possible.
Speaker 6: You know, now you you really feel like sky is
Speaker 6: the limit.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: So it's just like a few years ago when I
Speaker 4: saw how the game was changing as far as podcasting
Speaker 4: concern and you know, I've been on podcasts and earlier
Speaker 4: I started my podcast, Me and Andrew been doing bro
Speaker 4: for ten years. We actually just launched our first episode
Speaker 4: last week officially, but we've been doing it for ten years.
Speaker 6: It makes perfect right, Okay.
Speaker 4: So when I saw where the game was going as
Speaker 4: far as networks and everything, I was started looking around, like, man,
Speaker 4: there's not a lot of uh, there's no network for
Speaker 4: black podcas. Like there's no one place that you could
Speaker 4: take these black podcasters that are getting these views, but
Speaker 4: they don't have no infrastructure properly monetize what they're doing.
Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, that's what I want to create.
Speaker 4: I saw Bill Simmons was doing with the Ringer, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, I want to create that for us. So
Speaker 4: that's when I had the idea for the Black Effect,
Speaker 4: like three four years ago, was.
Speaker 7: That kind of what combat Jack was doing with.
Speaker 4: His exactly what combat Jack was doing, because I you know,
Speaker 4: God blessed the death luth to combat Jack.
Speaker 6: Chris Moreau.
Speaker 4: Chris Moreau is the first person to tell me, Yo,
Speaker 4: you need to write a book and you need to
Speaker 4: start a podcast.
Speaker 6: This was two thousand and eleven.
Speaker 3: That book thing is essential, Hans Charla May very very you.
Speaker 6: Know, but Chris writes books.
Speaker 4: So Chris has written, He's helped fifty cent russell Simmons like,
Speaker 4: he's up to a lot of different people write books. So
Speaker 4: he told me twenty eleven, you need to write a book,
Speaker 4: you need to start a podcast. I was arrogant at
Speaker 4: first with the podcast. I knew I wanted to do
Speaker 4: a book because I'm an avid reader, right, but I
Speaker 4: was like, why should I do a podcast? And I
Speaker 4: got my own morning show and he was like, man,
Speaker 4: trust me start a podcast. So I did, you know,
Speaker 4: and with Loudspeaker's network, and that ended up being brilliant, idiot,
Speaker 4: So it's me.
Speaker 6: Combat Jack and to read.
Speaker 4: And then when I started to see how creating a
Speaker 4: podcast gives you a whole other voice and it's a
Speaker 4: whole other platform, then I started seeing how it could
Speaker 4: actually be lucrative. Started bringing in other people that I
Speaker 4: thought were interesting to do podcasts, So you know, that
Speaker 4: turned into the tax Stones and the Angela Rise and
Speaker 4: then even like you know, Envy and his wife started
Speaker 4: one and you know you took lip service from Shade
Speaker 4: forty five and started doing a podcast, and it's just
Speaker 4: like then eventually Lobspeaker gave me a percentage of the company,
Speaker 4: so I equally important Arry, So I saw, you know,
Speaker 4: the other side of the podcast game from the executive
Speaker 4: side years years. Yeah, it's kind of.
Speaker 3: Like distribution in a way.
Speaker 2: Is that when you talk about those other companies like
Speaker 2: loud Speaker, Like I heart, I'm just trying to so
Speaker 2: so people who are listening to understand the formula of podcasts.
Speaker 4: And in a way, I think Loudspeaker provided a lot
Speaker 4: more infrastructure because people didn't even know what to do
Speaker 4: to start a podcast, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 4: Loudspeaker had the engine room studios downtown, like they would
Speaker 4: tell you to come at this time. They had a
Speaker 4: producers there for you and everything, so they made it
Speaker 4: very easy. Then they had the ad sales team.
Speaker 1: So to start a podcast in twenty twenty three, what
Speaker 1: are the essentials to at least stick make a DMP?
Speaker 5: Like I know there's some people that just like record
Speaker 5: and you got you like you're making a TV show.
Speaker 1: Damn there, But yeah, like, what do you what is
Speaker 1: the starter's kid post pandemic starter kit one on one thing?
Speaker 5: Two jews in the corner killing your assurance car.
Speaker 4: That sounds like a great podcast.
Speaker 6: That is a fantastic.
Speaker 5: Pom No, that's just an essential part of any podcast.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about our mutual friend, all right?
Speaker 1: So weezy, Oh, I feel like she is on the
Speaker 1: verge of greatness as a solo act.
Speaker 5: Like what steps. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm just horrible decisions.
Speaker 1: Yes, one half of the horrible decisions. Right, so she
Speaker 1: about to cut a solo deal whatever. I'm treating it
Speaker 1: like it's the music thing. But what do you recommend
Speaker 1: that a person does.
Speaker 4: To I think number one, you have to be authentic
Speaker 4: meaning and I know that's such a cliche thing to say,
Speaker 4: but everybody in their mama is getting on these microphones
Speaker 4: and they're just talking nowadays. It's like, what do you
Speaker 4: actually have the offer that's different from everybody else?
Speaker 5: But how can you tell the difference between a provocatory
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 1: So look, academics is deal with rumble, which kind of
Speaker 1: just why in my opinion, you know, it's I know,
Speaker 1: people want to be provocateurs. You can tell people that
Speaker 1: are easy, like Okay, whatever buttons I should not be pressing,
Speaker 1: Let me press those buttons. But what is authentic in
Speaker 1: terms of like being a provocateur or being honest.
Speaker 4: That's a great question. I think the difference is I
Speaker 4: think somebody like Weezy, right, Weezy and man do with
Speaker 4: horrible decisions, their story is authentic. There were two people
Speaker 4: in the corporate world who were literally sneaking to do
Speaker 4: a podcast about sex. They didn't want people at their
Speaker 4: job to find out that they were having these conversations
Speaker 4: about sexual liberation and women empowerment and everything else. But
Speaker 4: it started getting so big that they couldn't hide anymore.
Speaker 4: But they told us this story every step of the way,
Speaker 4: like literally, you can go back the original episodes and
Speaker 4: hear them talking about sneaking off to do this, you know,
Speaker 4: from their jobs. Then it got so big that they
Speaker 4: were able to quit their their corporate jobs and just
Speaker 4: fully invest in horrible decisions. By the way, one of
Speaker 4: the best live podcast show, if not the best live
Speaker 4: podcast show.
Speaker 3: That's horrible Decisions.
Speaker 6: Oh, they're incredible.
Speaker 4: So to me, that's authentic, having like an authentic story
Speaker 4: and an authentic POV like another another example, I like to.
Speaker 6: Users to read Kid Fury and Crystal. I remember watching
Speaker 6: time like one of the longest decade.
Speaker 4: I remember watching Kid Fury on YouTube back in the day,
Speaker 4: and you always knew he was funny, you always knew
Speaker 4: he was smart, you always knew he had a star quality.
Speaker 6: Then he starts to read with Crystal, and you could
Speaker 6: tell that they're friends.
Speaker 4: They're just on there having two you know, authentic conversations
Speaker 4: talking about their experiences, like you just happen to know
Speaker 4: Kid Fury's a gay man from Miami and Crystal is
Speaker 4: a queer woman from Oklahoma. That's because they tell you this,
Speaker 4: But that's not the vein of their existence. They're just
Speaker 4: good at what they do. To me that that's the
Speaker 4: type of authenticness that makes for a good podcast. Nowadays,
Speaker 4: people think just because you got a name, you can
Speaker 4: launch a podcast. Both be the whackest ones and relationships. God,
Speaker 4: all these people and all the people that aren't in
Speaker 4: relationships with relationship podcasts, all these men who've never been
Speaker 4: married telling women what they should be doing, and.
Speaker 3: How many you got a couple of those shows on No, I.
Speaker 6: Don't have any I don't have nothing. I don't have
Speaker 6: no man's man sphere of podcast.
Speaker 4: Man man playing podcast on black effect.
Speaker 1: Actually to Jews in the corner would be a good
Speaker 1: weekend man. Listen, Yo Shan.
Speaker 7: I always wanted to ask you, man, because I don't
Speaker 7: think I've ever heard you speak about this in any
Speaker 7: interviews of platforms, specifically making it out of South Carolina?
Speaker 5: What is that like trying to explain to people you know?
Speaker 7: Because I mean, I'm from North Carolina, So trying to
Speaker 7: explain to people that you know, Like you said, you know,
Speaker 7: you have opportunities now that you.
Speaker 5: Never thought were possible.
Speaker 7: How have you adjusted, you know, knowing coming from where
Speaker 7: you come from to where you are now? Mentally, like,
Speaker 7: how do you make that adjustment?
Speaker 4: I don't know if you ever truly make the adjustment.
Speaker 4: I know I just started dealing. I just stopped dealing
Speaker 4: with HIMSI syndrome probably in twenty nineteen, because.
Speaker 5: You wait, I don't have to do that no more.
Speaker 8: You definitely to do that, Like I'm sorry, I forget effects.
Speaker 4: That's good because I think when you come from a
Speaker 4: certain extreme, like it never leaves you.
Speaker 6: I was raised on a dirt road in Monks Corner,
Speaker 6: South Carolina.
Speaker 4: The town I'm from the population with seven thousand people
Speaker 4: like we were.
Speaker 5: In Atown was from three thousand.
Speaker 6: We were in a double wide trailer.
Speaker 4: You know, me, my mom, my dad, my oldest sister,
Speaker 4: and my mom had three more kids like we When
Speaker 4: you come from those type of extremes, you don't.
Speaker 6: Ever really lose that or forget that, you know.
Speaker 4: So it's like for me, I never truly adjust, Like
Speaker 4: I said, I just I just started feeling worthy of
Speaker 4: being in a position I'm in, like in the twenty
Speaker 4: nineteen like and and that was just me saying it
Speaker 4: to myself. I probably really didn't get get to a
Speaker 4: feeling of worth until like the beginning of twenty twenty one,
Speaker 4: like like right after COVID.
Speaker 7: Because that was my next question, So how did lockdown
Speaker 7: did that effect?
Speaker 5: Like what what what changes did you make during lockdown?
Speaker 4: I mean I lost I lost friends during COVID because
Speaker 4: the suicide you know, like my good homegirl Jazmin Waters
Speaker 4: Jazz Fly, So that that put a lot of things
Speaker 4: in perspective because me and Jazz was two individuals who
Speaker 4: would have like conversations about therapy and you know things
Speaker 4: we might have been going through and it's just like
Speaker 4: to know that she couldn't make it through that that time, right,
Speaker 4: Like that was like whoa, you know? So I just
Speaker 4: came out of there feeling like, man, we made it
Speaker 4: through that. I'm going to just really embrace life to
Speaker 4: the fullest, Like I'm gonna really enjoy this process that
Speaker 4: that that that I'm going through. I'm enjoy this this
Speaker 4: ride that I'm on. So that that's what it was
Speaker 4: for me, Like that's that's what made me just not
Speaker 4: just have a sense of worthiness, you know, for myself,
Speaker 4: but just a sense of worthiness for life.
Speaker 6: Like I'm not taking any of this for granted.
Speaker 5: What was it like when you go back home.
Speaker 6: And I definitely can't.
Speaker 4: It's love, but it's not love from the people you
Speaker 4: want to get the love from, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Because it's people that you grew up with, you came
Speaker 4: up with. They might be upset over something you said
Speaker 4: in a book, you know what I mean. They might
Speaker 4: be upset over something they heard you say on.
Speaker 1: Air about you know, growing up years ago that you've evolved.
Speaker 4: Yeah, upset because Grandma, your grandma is like that that
Speaker 4: that little ma Calvy boy he really doing. He really
Speaker 4: does a lot for our community and stuff like that
Speaker 4: that might just make you matter.
Speaker 6: Fuck him. I remember him in high school. He wasn't shit,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, you're.
Speaker 3: And he wasn't quiet. Used to talk on everybody.
Speaker 2: So people, it's definitely like that, damn it not that one.
Speaker 4: I used to get bullied, and then I went from
Speaker 4: getting bullied to being the bully because I got tired
Speaker 4: of being bullies, Like you can't be them, join them.
Speaker 4: So that day my glasses fell off for that final
Speaker 4: time and they cracked. I said, fuck them, I'm not
Speaker 4: wearing them the more because every other time they would
Speaker 4: fall on the ground, they'd be crooked. I was going
Speaker 4: to school wearing crooked glasses, you know, getting more, getting
Speaker 4: more bullied because the glasses were crooked. So after that,
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm done, you know. So I just
Speaker 4: started being the bully. But I mean it's a love,
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong, his love. But I do a
Speaker 4: lot from my hometown. Do a book bag drive every year.
Speaker 4: I do the Turkey drives every year. We do mental
Speaker 4: health initiatives, you know what I mean. I bring therapists
Speaker 4: and psychiatrists you know, to.
Speaker 3: March, Charlamaine.
Speaker 2: I'm so thankful for all your conversations about black men's
Speaker 2: mental health. Oh my god, I feel like it's a
Speaker 2: new era even in this room, as these men now
Speaker 2: speak freely about this stuff. I just wanted to say
Speaker 2: that as you were going down to the World College One.
Speaker 4: I did that last year. My man Jay Bartnett, he's
Speaker 4: a psychiatrist. He does his toy called the Just Hill
Speaker 4: bro Tour and it's him and some other psychiatrist therapists.
Speaker 4: I bought that, you know, the Charleston so people know
Speaker 4: I do a lot for the community. So I think
Speaker 4: it's one of those things where it's like I love them,
Speaker 4: but also I hate them a little bit too. And
Speaker 4: maybe I'm just exactly Maybe that's just in my mind.
Speaker 4: Maybe nobody hates me, and I'm just scared to go around.
Speaker 4: You know what I was gonna say.
Speaker 5: You know what.
Speaker 1: This happened once at my high school reunion where I
Speaker 1: did that whole Marty Mare pretty Ricky what they call him,
Speaker 1: had the list ready. You know, My date was tired.
Speaker 1: I would to suit and everything. I was like, give
Speaker 1: revenge when you all boys them in all I got
Speaker 1: there and yo, man, everyone was so nice, we're so
Speaker 1: proud of you, mirror, and I was.
Speaker 5: So mad like.
Speaker 1: Guys, like literally, and then I realized, maybe again, the
Speaker 1: voice in your head is your worst enemy ever. And
Speaker 1: I think maybe what I thought was everyone's opinion.
Speaker 5: Of me in high school is maybe the opinion I
Speaker 5: had myself.
Speaker 6: Absolutely and absolutely.
Speaker 1: That's when I realized, like, ah, man, like now I
Speaker 1: got to be friends with everyone, and like for real, I.
Speaker 5: Was a year like that's right.
Speaker 4: So it's just in the gym all that stuff, Like
Speaker 4: I was getting ready, and I think you got to
Speaker 4: remove yourself from certain things.
Speaker 6: That's the other thing that hurts too. Right. The other
Speaker 6: thing is.
Speaker 4: I know, if I come home, I can't go there
Speaker 4: because they're doing the same things we were doing thirty
Speaker 4: years right, right, you know what I mean. So I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be over here and possibly end up in a
Speaker 4: situation where I lose everything just to keep it real.
Speaker 6: If that's what I got to do to keep it real.
Speaker 4: If I got to hang out with y'all on the
Speaker 4: block and drink and smoke and all that, I'm cool
Speaker 4: on that. I'm not going there. I'm not subjecting myself
Speaker 4: to that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of one thing I wish I could lose
Speaker 1: because like my mom and my sister teach me to
Speaker 1: this day because they know like my addiction to like
Speaker 1: I won't waste a second to like hop in my
Speaker 1: car and just drive to Philly at like eleven pm
Speaker 1: just to sit in front of my childhood crib or
Speaker 1: go to my grandmam's block.
Speaker 5: Oh I do that, not even get out the.
Speaker 3: Car, but just like it ground It's like a grounding well.
Speaker 5: Chase, Chase ghost.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is because the thing was
Speaker 1: I used to always if you remember, like back in
Speaker 1: the eighties or nineties, you hear about like such and
Speaker 1: such sewing basketball player getting to an altercation with you know,
Speaker 1: someone at their old projects or you know what happened
Speaker 1: to Bobby Brown and his brothers in Roxbury Projects, And
Speaker 1: you're like, in my mind, as the as the outsider,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well wait, you're like blah blah blah Platinum Wars, Like,
Speaker 1: what the hell are you.
Speaker 3: Doing back at Survivor's remote. You're right, literally the show too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's it's an addiction, Like I don't
Speaker 1: know why. I literally there was one point where like
Speaker 1: I got up at like maybe ten thirty in New York,
Speaker 1: drove the Philly just to get my Uh there's a
Speaker 1: fish sandwich for not punchies or fifty second Street, but.
Speaker 5: Bottom of Oh.
Speaker 9: I ain't been the bottom of his speed in a minute, Yo, Steve,
Speaker 9: you know you know what Steve is really?
Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, we get.
Speaker 1: D'Angelo, forget Erica, like forget Steve's whole history is my engineer.
Speaker 1: Steve is by my side because Steve knows where all
Speaker 1: the bodies are buried, and I gotta get my every.
Speaker 4: I forgot about bottom of.
Speaker 1: The seconds at bottom of the see, I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: what you know about damn you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the potatoes.
Speaker 5: He's sugar.
Speaker 1: He sugar Steve because I gave him diabetes, like he
Speaker 1: literally got yeah in eight months, adapting to my DIETI.
Speaker 5: Between bottom of the sea and the church. Yes, yes,
Speaker 5: how the prayer soul food Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Staying Philly that long to get all the secret, ain't
Speaker 3: I got?
Speaker 6: I got incabibbles.
Speaker 1: Max's Max, All right, I'm evolvedvolved. Just say yes shout
Speaker 1: out to Max's Hello, I love you guys.
Speaker 4: That was like my grand My grandmother's house is still
Speaker 4: uh still up in South Carolina, Monks Corner, South Carolina,
Speaker 4: and I go sit on the porch, just the ground there,
Speaker 4: take my shoes off, walk through her.
Speaker 5: What about your parents? And they still my dad?
Speaker 4: My dad lives in Kidfield, South Carolina. My mom lives
Speaker 4: in Monk's Corner still.
Speaker 3: Like the yeah, you retire them or where they already retired.
Speaker 6: My mom was kind of always already retired. She was
Speaker 6: a school teacher.
Speaker 5: But it's like, yo, when you she let you retire,
Speaker 5: because my like they still didn't.
Speaker 4: That's what I thought about it, because when I brought.
Speaker 1: My mom's career, she she has just started unpacking boxes
Speaker 1: from like ten years ago. It was almost like I
Speaker 1: don't trust this and still didn't unpacked.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's like my mom won't.
Speaker 4: I don't know what she wants, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like usually the things that she wants are for other people,
Speaker 4: you know. And I know, right right now, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: I'm gonna restore my grandmother's house, right because she got
Speaker 4: like one of those old school sovereign porch houses.
Speaker 6: Right, I'm gonna restore that.
Speaker 4: But she don't really they don't really ask me for anything,
Speaker 4: which is which is wild. Right, Well, my mom was
Speaker 4: an English teacher, so she kind of been retired. She
Speaker 4: substitutes every now and then, but she likes to do that, like,
Speaker 4: you know, she likes to get up and go substitute
Speaker 4: the class. You know, I don't want her in there
Speaker 4: a no more because these little kids is crazy nowadays,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And she's up in age,
Speaker 4: but you know, I don't think she wants to fully retire.
Speaker 3: You got two girls, four four girls now.
Speaker 8: Talk about at all the time, like all the time,
Speaker 8: a comical disaster.
Speaker 2: But as men, how does that change on that in
Speaker 2: new daily interactions all the time.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Oh it changes everything because because you
Speaker 4: know how they always say like the future is female,
Speaker 4: and it's like, yo, my future is female regardless.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: So it's just like, you know, why not try to
Speaker 4: make the world a better place for women? Like it
Speaker 4: makes you listen more, which is something I think men
Speaker 4: historically didn't do a good job of. Right, So now
Speaker 4: that you've got a house full of women, at least
Speaker 4: in my life, I have I have no choice. I
Speaker 4: have to hear what's going on, whether I want to
Speaker 4: hear what's going on or not, right, And then, But
Speaker 4: historically in my life, I've always had more women around
Speaker 4: me than guys because my dad went from my dad
Speaker 4: went from telling me why why do you want to be?
Speaker 4: My dad would say, why you want to be around
Speaker 4: all these dudes all the time? Man's all these dudes right,
Speaker 4: like you do? They do nothing but to get you
Speaker 4: in trouble. So when he told me that when I
Speaker 4: was young, all I would do is be around a
Speaker 4: bunch of women. And then you realize, even when I
Speaker 4: used to throw parties back in the day, having a
Speaker 4: bunch of women at the party, all the guys want
Speaker 4: to come to the parties. You let women in free
Speaker 4: before eleven. Now you can hit the guys over the head,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Twenty dollars.
Speaker 4: That was a lot back then, people, you know I mean,
Speaker 4: but twenty dollars right. So it's just like I've always
Speaker 4: been around women, right, But I don't I don't know
Speaker 4: if if if I was always listening to them like
Speaker 4: I should have should have been.
Speaker 2: That's why I asked about the daughters, because you have
Speaker 2: no choice, like you could have been raised behind grandmothers
Speaker 2: and things.
Speaker 4: But daughters and the teenage, the fourteen year old, challenging
Speaker 4: me like no other.
Speaker 8: The energy is different. It's hard to explain, Like male
Speaker 8: energy is just like put on a helmet, run into
Speaker 8: the door. Like the women's energy is different. Man, it's
Speaker 8: not like that. They were like, just like gotta listen
Speaker 8: and make you feel so guilty about something.
Speaker 4: Everything guilty and stupid stupid as all, Yeah, guilty and stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's already is dad, Like, it's that level of they.
Speaker 8: Say actually all the time, as like no matter what.
Speaker 1: You say, actually, or.
Speaker 8: Basically as if like I'm a fucking idiot, and he
Speaker 8: told basically what's going on? This is like every sentence
Speaker 8: I got, Actually, Dad, that's right, basically, Dad, Like that's
Speaker 8: like over the all four of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and trying not the parent like like our parents.
Speaker 4: So then that, you know, because I always say my
Speaker 4: dad didn't parent with love. I think my dad parented
Speaker 4: out a fear. You know what I'm saying, This motherfucker
Speaker 4: is not gonna be like I was.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I don't want him to make none of the mistakes
Speaker 4: that I made, So I think, you know, just trying
Speaker 4: to parent out of love. Even answering those questions, like why,
Speaker 4: Like when you're a seven year old or four year old,
Speaker 4: ask you why.
Speaker 2: No longer do we say, don't ask why.
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, and that that makes you think
Speaker 4: because sometimes you be like, what is the why?
Speaker 6: You know, what is the why?
Speaker 5: My just parenting got my own anxiety doing what.
Speaker 7: I was done to me. That's right, that's what we
Speaker 7: always did.
Speaker 6: Like I grew up getting beaten. I'm not beating my children.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, like get beaten? Nah?
Speaker 7: How is your marriage changed over the years and what
Speaker 7: or developed over the years since.
Speaker 4: Me and my wife being together for twenty five years?
Speaker 4: So we met in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 5: I don't have to make up my sound effects years.
Speaker 3: It's like fifty years entertaining sight.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 5: That was life.
Speaker 8: There you go, twenty five years a total waste.
Speaker 5: If I don't do one effect for this, thank you.
Speaker 4: But even with that, right, Like, that's what I was
Speaker 4: gonn say about my pops. I've always been the type
Speaker 4: person that I like being with one woman, right, Like
Speaker 4: I've always why having a rider for you, having somebody
Speaker 4: that's riding with you, Like I always thought that was
Speaker 4: the cool way until I caught my pops cheating and
Speaker 4: I'm like, I hit cheating on my mom. He looked
Speaker 4: me in the eyes and goes, you only got one
Speaker 4: girlfriend one day. One day you'll understand. One day you
Speaker 4: don't understand, you know what I mean. So in my mind,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking that's something wrong with having one girlfriend. So
Speaker 4: that's when the whole player things started off or trying year.
Speaker 4: But to be a player, No, that was way before
Speaker 4: the third This was I reme since ninety eight, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So this is way before that.
Speaker 4: But it's just like it took me, honestly, it took
Speaker 4: me until like twenty sixteen to totally get rid of
Speaker 4: that because I started to realize I'm becoming my father, right,
Speaker 4: So you're turning into what you hated, right, And not
Speaker 4: that I hate my dad. I just hated how he
Speaker 4: did our family, you know what I mean. I saw
Speaker 4: what his infidelity did and breaking apart him and my
Speaker 4: mother and what that did to my younger siblings, you
Speaker 4: know me, absolutely, and I didn't want that to be me.
Speaker 2: On the side note, I always want to ask us
Speaker 2: about to men to cheat and we all cheat because
Speaker 2: I'm I've been a cheater.
Speaker 3: But what if the shirt the shirt I knew it
Speaker 3: was gonna come.
Speaker 5: I knew it was going to come.
Speaker 2: But what I was gonna what I was gonna say
Speaker 2: is what if she What if what if she would.
Speaker 3: Have turned around while you were in the stage and
Speaker 3: been like.
Speaker 2: Well, baby, since you went the stage, why don't we
Speaker 2: just poly marit this thing for a second until you
Speaker 2: can get.
Speaker 4: A Because I not a idea with the Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: not with the polonies.
Speaker 5: Out of the situation. Considered it too much work.
Speaker 3: Because she got to get her.
Speaker 5: Well no, no, there's a lot one. I'm just lazy and
Speaker 5: it's already doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you still, like, no matter who, you
Speaker 1: got to deal with somebody, and when you deal with someone,
Speaker 1: you got to talk to them, communicate.
Speaker 5: With them, get emotionally connected. Now we're gonna ask somebody else. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And it's just too it's too much.
Speaker 1: And I think at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 1: also like you just get yeah, and this time my
Speaker 1: ego gets.
Speaker 6: The best of me.
Speaker 3: Come on, come on, tell the truth for real.
Speaker 5: Like all of us want to be on some Drake Wayne,
Speaker 5: every girl in the world doing.
Speaker 6: But Drake can't even handle.
Speaker 1: That right, Yeah, that's almost the end of the episode.
Speaker 8: It's a book ending.
Speaker 5: Like I think at the end of the.
Speaker 1: Day, like we just get generally tired of getting cart
Speaker 1: and you know, racing shit, right, I got lazy. So
Speaker 1: it's just like, all right, no, that's not fair.
Speaker 4: And you find things that actually feed your soul and
Speaker 4: not your ego, because that's what I think cheating is, right,
Speaker 4: like nine times out of ten, when you out there cheating,
Speaker 4: you're really just trying to feed your ego.
Speaker 7: It's not about cheating, is not about I want to
Speaker 7: be with another person. It's about you want to be.
Speaker 4: But you know, another question too is can you handle
Speaker 4: it when your woman cheats on you?
Speaker 3: But that's why I was asking, because I was like,
Speaker 3: while you're.
Speaker 2: Out there, I don't want to know because men, I
Speaker 2: don't know if men think that why you're cheating, that
Speaker 2: a woman is fulfilled, because when we're not, if you're
Speaker 2: given to somebody else, I'm still horning.
Speaker 4: Your women are the most If you was with your
Speaker 4: woman in college, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Trust me, your woman had a life. Here we go
Speaker 6: all right out of your mind.
Speaker 4: If you think young woman didn't have a life in
Speaker 4: college is nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 6: What I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And then she hit Florida.
Speaker 2: It'll be like you better fulfill or she going because
Speaker 2: real Horny play.
Speaker 8: The track again.
Speaker 1: I can't even find it here, we go here, just
Speaker 1: a lady.
Speaker 5: Horn all right.
Speaker 1: This has been a long time coming. Thank you for
Speaker 1: having me, Thank you for having me. It's beautiful to
Speaker 1: see your your evolution and and how you're coming up
Speaker 1: in the world. Yes, I absolutely believe that you know
Speaker 1: you will be the new Byron is Yo. No too, hey, yo,
Speaker 1: that's a thing.
Speaker 6: Somebody said that to me this weekend.
Speaker 4: That's a thing.
Speaker 3: Can you take us what listen?
Speaker 5: Face Byron all just isn't the guy from real people
Speaker 5: back in If don't make Byron Island your ceiling is
Speaker 5: why I was right.
Speaker 6: You know who first told me I'm gonna be a billionaire?
Speaker 6: Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 4: Really Chapelle random He randomly said that, like five years ago.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you know what you can be
Speaker 2: a billionaire living your black truth? Like I am just
Speaker 2: so impressed.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'm gonna tell you something. And I
Speaker 1: know you might say, like, well, that's easy said than done. Yes,
Speaker 1: I actually spend I hate that I'm getting real deep
Speaker 1: in like the last minutes of this podcast. My assessment
Speaker 1: in my last life in the last two years is
Speaker 1: that I spend more time thinking how can I sabotage
Speaker 1: something than I do letting it happen.
Speaker 5: And I almost feel like it's transported like little.
Speaker 1: I believe that we collectively as black people get these moments.
Speaker 1: But because we getting our heads of was blah blah
Speaker 1: blah gonna think? Is that not going to talk shit
Speaker 1: Like something happened to me like three days ago and
Speaker 1: I'm dreading this news getting out.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's some big, a good thing.
Speaker 3: It's a good thing, but you just.
Speaker 5: Read for the history sake would be a good thing.
Speaker 1: But if my first thoughts are a man like now,
Speaker 1: I was gonna talk like it's it's hard to get
Speaker 1: that voice out of your head, which is why, like
Speaker 1: I keep stressing on the show, like the importance of
Speaker 1: meditation and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: That's because we live in a world when you whenever
Speaker 4: you announce good news, it's always somebody ready to shoot
Speaker 4: your good news down.
Speaker 6: It's always ready.
Speaker 1: For half the time, it's us waiting for the other
Speaker 1: shoot ain't gonna last forever.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 1: I believe it is absolutely easy as hell to succeed.
Speaker 1: If we just for any person that has not truly succeeded,
Speaker 1: I will show your person that has somehow figured out
Speaker 1: a way to thwart or sabotage it subconstantly or or
Speaker 1: on purpose. I guarantee you I'm almost ninety nine per
Speaker 1: certain that this happened.
Speaker 6: How many times have you recommended the Big Leap on
Speaker 6: this podcast?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean we need a book let.
Speaker 1: I'm actually on it, like not, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be that even then, Like I have a truth to share,
Speaker 1: but I'm so scared that everyone's like hear me goes.
Speaker 2: Again with you there, we've been talking about meditation since
Speaker 2: the COVID Like we're all different, we all Bob, and
Speaker 2: let's not let's not do that.
Speaker 4: I read the Big Leap because of quest. I saw
Speaker 4: a quests at this last year we got named as
Speaker 4: what was it that we awarded something for the most
Speaker 4: powerful media in New York or something or New York
Speaker 4: something like.
Speaker 5: There's an Illuminati room white people exactly, we.
Speaker 4: Were the only people about the blackness, That's right.
Speaker 6: So I go up to question and I asked, quess,
Speaker 6: I'm like, yo, how's everything.
Speaker 4: Changed since the you know, the Grammy and and when
Speaker 4: you ask somebody how they're doing better, be prepared to
Speaker 4: get her. And he gave me a real honest answer
Speaker 4: and it was about the self sabotage everything else. He
Speaker 4: was like, I'm reading this book called the Big Leap,
Speaker 4: and I ordered literally the next daybout it.
Speaker 1: Now I got one job, and that's just literally get
Speaker 1: out my own way.
Speaker 6: That's it.
Speaker 7: If I get out my own way, I'm here, that's it.
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, Man, I mean this is so.
Speaker 7: This is me and his first time ever meeting crazy.
Speaker 7: We were supposed to do is crazy. It kind of
Speaker 7: came full circle two thousand and five this I think
Speaker 7: you were in Colombia, Columbia and mister show.
Speaker 5: It just came out.
Speaker 7: We were going to do a radio tour and we
Speaker 7: had to do the next day we had to do
Speaker 7: the MTVu Awards whatever. Literally the day we had to
Speaker 7: leave was with my wife and the labor with my son.
Speaker 7: So nice they went and did the interview, but that
Speaker 7: was the time we were supposed to meet.
Speaker 5: But that was like the only every show.
Speaker 4: Because Pool we actually we did it. I had them
Speaker 4: host a mixtape for me. I think it was had
Speaker 4: Pool do some drops for a mixtape.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so yeah, that was like, yeah, that was what
Speaker 7: he was November two thousand and five. So so yeah, man,
Speaker 7: it's good for us to find.
Speaker 4: It's fantastic to me. I love I love Little Brother.
Speaker 4: What's so crazy is in South Carolina we didn't have no,
Speaker 4: we didn't have nobody to look to in hip hop
Speaker 4: as to look at them and be like, oh, I
Speaker 4: can do that too. But North Carolina had Little Brother
Speaker 4: and Pete Pablo and I used to go there and
Speaker 4: watch a Josie Mole Shelley B.
Speaker 6: You remember Shelley B.
Speaker 5: That was up the core Oud of Wilson.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the homie like they got some m c MC
Speaker 4: that raps my favorite rapper.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, she's that. She's will uh.
Speaker 7: Rock snow Hill, snow Hill, snow Hill Hill. Yeah no man,
Speaker 7: so no, So it was just crazy. I thought about
Speaker 7: I'm like, man, we was supposed to do this two
Speaker 7: years ago. Guys, we're literally getting kicked out.
Speaker 5: Of our house right now.
Speaker 3: That's fine.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having on behalf of Charlemagne and Fan
Speaker 1: Tickeolo and like and to jews in the corner, that's
Speaker 1: gonna stick.
Speaker 8: Please, every game I've been given on the show sticks
Speaker 8: white bill, unpaid bill to the.
Speaker 3: Corner, white bill. You ain't never been.
Speaker 5: That was the first you were there. That's right. Thank
Speaker 5: you Charlemagne for doing this.
Speaker 3: Armagne give folks.
Speaker 5: Yes, the team just sent me. He says, thank you
Speaker 5: like he's he changed my life. So that's good. She
Speaker 5: is that I'm interviewing right now.
Speaker 6: Oh dopey.
Speaker 5: Anyway, we will see you on the next one around.
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