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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: What Up, y'all and welcome back to Questlove Supreme. So,

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Speaker 2: in Part one of our Conversation with Charlemagne the God,

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Speaker 2: we discussed charlemagne'sjourney into becoming one of the biggest voices

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Speaker 2: of our time.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't, you should check that out.

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Speaker 2: Also, don't forget Charlemagne is appearing live on the podcast

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Speaker 2: stage at this year's Ruth Picnic, and.

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Speaker 3: So is Quest Love Supreme. You don't want to miss that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get back to it part two of our

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Speaker 2: Conversation with Charlemagne the God.

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Speaker 4: Because before it was just clips. It was clips that

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Speaker 4: would lead you back to the dot com or leyo.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's doing it dot com anymore, yo.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So when that moment is happening, like I

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Speaker 1: guess now you're hyper aware of this can be a

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Speaker 1: viral moment where you know, a ten second rant could

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Speaker 1: suddenly define you whatever. But as that moment's happening, like

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Speaker 1: what's going in your head? Like is this about to

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Speaker 1: be about to say some real old Morton Downey Jr?

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm That's why I'm like, wow, No, But.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like No, that was a moment where like

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Speaker 1: the brawl on the Morton Downey Junior Show became like

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Speaker 1: super viral. And then of course then there was about

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Speaker 1: our studio, uh old boy Horaldo Richard.

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Speaker 5: There was a brawl on Richard Bay before he was

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Speaker 5: like yeah, he was like the Morton Downy really Jersey.

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Speaker 1: So when that moment is happening, like, are you hyper

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Speaker 1: aware now that of like one frame could be a

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Speaker 1: jiff for life, like the the Soldier Boy Drake movement

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Speaker 1: of those things.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't you know, it's so funny.

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Speaker 4: I remember that day because you know, we pre record

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Speaker 4: all our interviews a day early, so we pre recorded

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Speaker 4: the Birdman interview a day early and we aired it

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Speaker 4: back on April twenty second. Everybody remembers what else happened

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Speaker 4: on April twenty first, Prince Prince passes while so I

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Speaker 4: remember being I was I was hosting the MTV Upfront.

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Speaker 4: I remember being at the upfront getting the news that

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Speaker 4: Prince died and I'm like, God, damn Prince died.

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Speaker 6: Everybody.

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Speaker 4: Then I'm like, we can't play bird Man tomorrow. I'm

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Speaker 4: not gonna care about no bird Man interview. Like literally,

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Speaker 4: my mindset. That's what I thought. I was like, nobody's

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Speaker 4: gonna care. But then I said, different, crowd, it's only

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Speaker 4: two minutes thirty seconds. I remember saying this thing. I'm like, name,

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Speaker 4: he's only two minutes thirty seconds. We could throw it

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Speaker 4: on at like seven and then get back to Prince.

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Speaker 5: Even thinking like this interview is a bus. We don't

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Speaker 5: got nothing usable.

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Speaker 4: I thought it's Prince, Prince passed away. I'm thinking everybody

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Speaker 4: and Mama is going to be on Prince.

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Speaker 5: But we're of a certain age. Yeah, we.

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Speaker 4: Put the interview out and I could be wrong. It

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Speaker 4: felt like Birdman was the a side that weekend.

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Speaker 5: It was.

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Speaker 4: It was like that was the same weekend Prince passed away.

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Speaker 4: But my whole timeline is put some respect on it.

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Speaker 4: Memes and see that's the other thing, right, you can

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Speaker 4: you can know something's gonna go viral, but you don't

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Speaker 4: know the life is gonna take on the internet comes

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Speaker 4: something completely.

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, respect no, because you better do

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Speaker 5: it now. I'd have made so many respects because in.

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Speaker 4: My mind I'm thinking, like I knew he was gonna

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Speaker 4: come up there. I knew he was coming up there.

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Speaker 4: Wiley because you know, one of the record reps hit

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Speaker 4: me like a couple of weeks before, and he was like.

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Speaker 6: No, he didn't want me.

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Speaker 4: He just said, Birdman wants to come on such and

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Speaker 4: such date. He wants to make sure that you're there

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Speaker 4: now listen. That's number one, but also number two, I

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Speaker 4: know what I've said about bird Man. I'm self aware

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Speaker 4: and now I'm not gonna act clueless like I didn't

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Speaker 4: see that about like, I know the things that I

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Speaker 6: And that's why before he even came in, if you notice, there's.

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Speaker 4: Like an overhead view because I hold everybody turned the

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Speaker 4: cameras on before he walks in, cameras I told him,

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Speaker 4: I said, turn the cameras on before he walks in,

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Speaker 4: because I just knew he was coming in on something

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Speaker 4: and he ain't wait soon as he hit the doll.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't no high I know nothing, y'all. Motherfucker's put

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Speaker 4: some respect on my name. And because the interview is

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Speaker 4: only two minutes thirty seconds wrestling, he was on air

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Speaker 4: for forty if that. Because the interview starts with me

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Speaker 4: saying power, Powerfire, Breakfast Club, Birdman talks and I'm like Noah, no, no,

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Speaker 4: Birdman just came in here and checked all of us.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, get it off your chest, bird Man. And

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Speaker 4: then that's that's when you know, led to this single

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Speaker 4: file storm out.

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Speaker 5: Wow have you.

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Speaker 3: Ever been knocked off your square? And that went away

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Speaker 4: No I about to see I got pushed in the

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Speaker 4: back of the head. But that's not enough. I mean, like, really, wait,

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Speaker 4: an artists got pugilistic. It wasn't an artistic I mean,

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Speaker 4: somebody came with a camera. This was like twenty eleven.

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Speaker 4: They recorded it, though they put it on video. It

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Speaker 4: was all world Star. That was full world Star. That's

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Speaker 4: why that was full white Star.

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Speaker 1: I was like an instant somewhere. I'm sorry, no, I'm playing, but.

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Speaker 2: Like literally because you you seem like, of course they're

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Speaker 2: edits and all kinds of things, But even with the

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Speaker 2: bird Man thing, there's been so many situations you always focused.

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Speaker 4: In a way. I'm glad you said that about the

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Speaker 4: edits because I could edit all of that stuff if

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Speaker 4: I wanted to. But it's like, what's the point I can't.

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Speaker 4: You shouldn't be able as a personality to say what

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Speaker 4: you want about people, not not let them get theirs off.

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Speaker 4: So if I don't care if it's Beanie, Seagull, Master

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Speaker 4: in there and and got at me. It's like I'd

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Speaker 4: be I'd be whacked to edit that, and Beans too.

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Speaker 1: Okay, can you talk about that incident? Do you guys

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Speaker 1: know what happened? No, in Philly.

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Speaker 5: You remember when Beans is like making all these rhymes

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Speaker 5: about jay Z.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're talking about with searle Man.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he felt a bet you you would have possibly

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Speaker 4: Yeah, be Bean's had an issue at Hove and he

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Speaker 4: called in. He called in my radio show on a

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Speaker 4: Friday morning. I played it back that Friday and went

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Speaker 4: crazy viow that weekend. I think Jay even got asked

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Speaker 6: And then one day I got fired.

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Speaker 4: Wait, you got.

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Speaker 2: Fired because Bean said something in an interview about Hove.

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Speaker 4: And that's where everybody says jay Z got me fired.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that's.

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Speaker 2: True or not, because he would have got me fired

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Speaker 2: for sam what I said to him in his face

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Speaker 2: on the radio in Philly.

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Speaker 4: What I think it was at the time. I think

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Speaker 4: you had people in Philly. You know it's jay Zy.

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Speaker 5: We all love.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's the number one market too.

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Speaker 4: I think sometimes people bring sacrifices to Jay, like here's

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Speaker 4: a lamb, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Like, Jay, here's a here's a gerbil for you. I bought.

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Speaker 6: I did that his gold.

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Speaker 4: So I think that was one of those things like

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Speaker 4: Beanie said that about you on Charlomagne show he got

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Speaker 4: rid of Charlotte. I think it was one of those things.

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Speaker 4: Beans Yeah, I don't think it was a call like yo.

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Speaker 6: Get rid of him from Hole. I don't know. It's

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Speaker 6: not that petty. I just don't think so.

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Speaker 5: But then where's your mind's like where do I go?

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Speaker 6: You know what's so interesting?

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Speaker 4: There's a lad TV interview I did right after I

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Speaker 4: I think it was the day I got fired, and

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Speaker 4: I literally said, this is just another stepping stone. I said,

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Speaker 4: I'll be back on the radio and like a year

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Speaker 4: or so, and you know, Scott's the limit, Like I

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Speaker 4: literally say that. I say that in the lad TV

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Speaker 4: interview and that's literally how I felt how I felt.

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Speaker 6: You gotta think I already been fired four times?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you got your speech already written. Number you told

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Speaker 5: me you.

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Speaker 2: Ain't nobody till you get fired in the three times

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Speaker 2: they say three day say if you get fired three No,

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Speaker 2: they said, you're nobody if you get fired once.

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Speaker 6: If you get fired three times, you're a superstar.

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Speaker 4: S it is.

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Speaker 3: Not today though, Yo.

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Speaker 7: I would have asked you, man the ray J interview, son, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: what was going through your mind while he's on the phone.

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Speaker 5: Just man.

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Speaker 4: We was almost off air, Like we get off air

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Speaker 4: at ten. I think it was like nine thirty, and

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Speaker 4: I remember Angeliue gets a call and it's our guy

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Speaker 4: Billy and he was like, yo, man, I still didn't

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Speaker 4: know what was going on, like ray J and Fab

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Speaker 4: in and that's what like that literally was. We was

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Speaker 6: And then we recorded it and it.

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Speaker 4: Became the Seven Rolls rooices and everything else you'll here.

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Speaker 3: I keep telling them we need to get ray J.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the best interviews and stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: You can't even script Man like the bird Man moment,

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Speaker 4: the ray J moment, like that's just radio magic, Like

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Speaker 4: like you don't script those, like you don't say, hey,

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Speaker 4: this is going to happen today. Those are just those

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Speaker 7: Can you tell there's some uh there people that come

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Speaker 7: up where you can kind of tell they may be

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Speaker 7: kind of fishing for that viral moment, like they kind of.

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Speaker 5: As a guess.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And and I've had people say that and

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Speaker 4: then when the interview was over, they'd be like, that's gonna.

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Speaker 6: Go on world stuff.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 4: Luca Frederi, I remember, but I remember he did that,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, because because the question I

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Speaker 6: I asked him because he said it right.

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Speaker 5: It was.

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Speaker 4: It was something he said about Brandy I think it

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Speaker 4: about it and he got mad at me. But you

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Speaker 4: you said it, you know what I mean? And so

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Speaker 4: he turned up which I love because I'm an honest fan,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I was happy to

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Speaker 4: still see the Rye ray, you know, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean, I was. I was happy about that, right,

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Speaker 4: So it was so but I remember when the interview

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Speaker 1: So to start a podcast in twenty twenty three, what

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Speaker 5: Like I know there's some people that just like record

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Speaker 5: Two jews in the corner killing your assurance car.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about our mutual friend, all right?

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Speaker 4: To I think number one, you have to be authentic

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Speaker 3: That's horrible Decisions.

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Speaker 4: It's love, but it's not love from the people you

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00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,879
Speaker 4: want to get the love from, you know what I mean,

442
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,160
Speaker 4: Because it's people that you grew up with, you came

443
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 4: up with. They might be upset over something you said

444
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 4: in a book, you know what I mean. They might

445
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 4: be upset over something they heard you say on.

446
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 1: Air about you know, growing up years ago that you've evolved.

447
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, upset because Grandma, your grandma is like that that

448
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 4: that little ma Calvy boy he really doing. He really

449
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 4: does a lot for our community and stuff like that

450
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 4: that might just make you matter.

451
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 6: Fuck him. I remember him in high school. He wasn't shit,

452
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, you're.

453
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,360
Speaker 3: And he wasn't quiet. Used to talk on everybody.

454
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 2: So people, it's definitely like that, damn it not that one.

455
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 4: I used to get bullied, and then I went from

456
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 4: getting bullied to being the bully because I got tired

457
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 4: of being bullies, Like you can't be them, join them.

458
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 4: So that day my glasses fell off for that final

459
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 4: time and they cracked. I said, fuck them, I'm not

460
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 4: wearing them the more because every other time they would

461
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 4: fall on the ground, they'd be crooked. I was going

462
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 4: to school wearing crooked glasses, you know, getting more, getting

463
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 4: more bullied because the glasses were crooked. So after that,

464
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm done, you know. So I just

465
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 4: started being the bully. But I mean it's a love,

466
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong, his love. But I do a

467
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 4: lot from my hometown. Do a book bag drive every year.

468
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 4: I do the Turkey drives every year. We do mental

469
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 4: health initiatives, you know what I mean. I bring therapists

470
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 4: and psychiatrists you know, to.

471
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 3: March, Charlamaine.

472
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Speaker 2: I'm so thankful for all your conversations about black men's

473
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Speaker 2: mental health. Oh my god, I feel like it's a

474
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Speaker 2: new era even in this room, as these men now

475
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 2: speak freely about this stuff. I just wanted to say

476
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 2: that as you were going down to the World College One.

477
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Speaker 4: I did that last year. My man Jay Bartnett, he's

478
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 4: a psychiatrist. He does his toy called the Just Hill

479
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 4: bro Tour and it's him and some other psychiatrist therapists.

480
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 4: I bought that, you know, the Charleston so people know

481
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 4: I do a lot for the community. So I think

482
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 4: it's one of those things where it's like I love them,

483
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 4: but also I hate them a little bit too. And

484
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 4: maybe I'm just exactly Maybe that's just in my mind.

485
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 4: Maybe nobody hates me, and I'm just scared to go around.

486
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 4: You know what I was gonna say.

487
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 5: You know what.

488
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 1: This happened once at my high school reunion where I

489
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: did that whole Marty Mare pretty Ricky what they call him,

490
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: had the list ready. You know, My date was tired.

491
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,479
Speaker 1: I would to suit and everything. I was like, give

492
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: revenge when you all boys them in all I got

493
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: there and yo, man, everyone was so nice, we're so

494
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 1: proud of you, mirror, and I was.

495
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 5: So mad like.

496
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 1: Guys, like literally, and then I realized, maybe again, the

497
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: voice in your head is your worst enemy ever. And

498
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: I think maybe what I thought was everyone's opinion.

499
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 5: Of me in high school is maybe the opinion I

500
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 5: had myself.

501
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 6: Absolutely and absolutely.

502
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: That's when I realized, like, ah, man, like now I

503
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: got to be friends with everyone, and like for real, I.

504
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 5: Was a year like that's right.

505
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 4: So it's just in the gym all that stuff, Like

506
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 4: I was getting ready, and I think you got to

507
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 4: remove yourself from certain things.

508
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 6: That's the other thing that hurts too. Right. The other

509
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 6: thing is.

510
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 4: I know, if I come home, I can't go there

511
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 4: because they're doing the same things we were doing thirty

512
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 4: years right, right, you know what I mean. So I'm

513
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 4: gonna be over here and possibly end up in a

514
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 4: situation where I lose everything just to keep it real.

515
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 6: If that's what I got to do to keep it real.

516
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 4: If I got to hang out with y'all on the

517
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 4: block and drink and smoke and all that, I'm cool

518
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 4: on that. I'm not going there. I'm not subjecting myself

519
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 4: to that.

520
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: That's kind of one thing I wish I could lose

521
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: because like my mom and my sister teach me to

522
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: this day because they know like my addiction to like

523
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: I won't waste a second to like hop in my

524
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: car and just drive to Philly at like eleven pm

525
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: just to sit in front of my childhood crib or

526
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: go to my grandmam's block.

527
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 5: Oh I do that, not even get out the.

528
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 3: Car, but just like it ground It's like a grounding well.

529
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 5: Chase, Chase ghost.

530
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is because the thing was

531
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: I used to always if you remember, like back in

532
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: the eighties or nineties, you hear about like such and

533
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: such sewing basketball player getting to an altercation with you know,

534
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: someone at their old projects or you know what happened

535
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: to Bobby Brown and his brothers in Roxbury Projects, And

536
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: you're like, in my mind, as the as the outsider,

537
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, well wait, you're like blah blah blah Platinum Wars, Like,

538
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: what the hell are you.

539
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 3: Doing back at Survivor's remote. You're right, literally the show too.

540
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's it's an addiction, Like I don't

541
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: know why. I literally there was one point where like

542
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: I got up at like maybe ten thirty in New York,

543
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: drove the Philly just to get my Uh there's a

544
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: fish sandwich for not punchies or fifty second Street, but.

545
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 5: Bottom of Oh.

546
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 9: I ain't been the bottom of his speed in a minute, Yo, Steve,

547
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 9: you know you know what Steve is really?

548
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, we get.

549
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: D'Angelo, forget Erica, like forget Steve's whole history is my engineer.

550
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: Steve is by my side because Steve knows where all

551
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: the bodies are buried, and I gotta get my every.

552
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 4: I forgot about bottom of.

553
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: The seconds at bottom of the see, I was like, wait,

554
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: what you know about damn you?

555
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the potatoes.

556
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 5: He's sugar.

557
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: He sugar Steve because I gave him diabetes, like he

558
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: literally got yeah in eight months, adapting to my DIETI.

559
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 5: Between bottom of the sea and the church. Yes, yes,

560
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 5: how the prayer soul food Yeah yeah.

561
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: Staying Philly that long to get all the secret, ain't

562
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 3: I got?

563
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 6: I got incabibbles.

564
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: Max's Max, All right, I'm evolvedvolved. Just say yes shout

565
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: out to Max's Hello, I love you guys.

566
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 4: That was like my grand My grandmother's house is still

567
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 4: uh still up in South Carolina, Monks Corner, South Carolina,

568
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 4: and I go sit on the porch, just the ground there,

569
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 4: take my shoes off, walk through her.

570
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 5: What about your parents? And they still my dad?

571
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 4: My dad lives in Kidfield, South Carolina. My mom lives

572
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 4: in Monk's Corner still.

573
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 3: Like the yeah, you retire them or where they already retired.

574
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 6: My mom was kind of always already retired. She was

575
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 6: a school teacher.

576
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 5: But it's like, yo, when you she let you retire,

577
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 5: because my like they still didn't.

578
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 4: That's what I thought about it, because when I brought.

579
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: My mom's career, she she has just started unpacking boxes

580
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: from like ten years ago. It was almost like I

581
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: don't trust this and still didn't unpacked.

582
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's like my mom won't.

583
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 4: I don't know what she wants, you know what I mean,

584
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 4: Like usually the things that she wants are for other people,

585
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 4: you know. And I know, right right now, I'm gonna

586
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna restore my grandmother's house, right because she got

587
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 4: like one of those old school sovereign porch houses.

588
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 6: Right, I'm gonna restore that.

589
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 4: But she don't really they don't really ask me for anything,

590
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 4: which is which is wild. Right, Well, my mom was

591
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 4: an English teacher, so she kind of been retired. She

592
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 4: substitutes every now and then, but she likes to do that, like,

593
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 4: you know, she likes to get up and go substitute

594
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,479
Speaker 4: the class. You know, I don't want her in there

595
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 4: a no more because these little kids is crazy nowadays,

596
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And she's up in age,

597
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 4: but you know, I don't think she wants to fully retire.

598
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: You got two girls, four four girls now.

599
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 8: Talk about at all the time, like all the time,

600
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 8: a comical disaster.

601
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: But as men, how does that change on that in

602
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: new daily interactions all the time.

603
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 4: I don't know, Oh it changes everything because because you

604
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 4: know how they always say like the future is female,

605
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 4: and it's like, yo, my future is female regardless.

606
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 5: Right.

607
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 4: So it's just like, you know, why not try to

608
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 4: make the world a better place for women? Like it

609
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 4: makes you listen more, which is something I think men

610
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 4: historically didn't do a good job of. Right, So now

611
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 4: that you've got a house full of women, at least

612
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 4: in my life, I have I have no choice. I

613
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 4: have to hear what's going on, whether I want to

614
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 4: hear what's going on or not, right, And then, But

615
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 4: historically in my life, I've always had more women around

616
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 4: me than guys because my dad went from my dad

617
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 4: went from telling me why why do you want to be?

618
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 4: My dad would say, why you want to be around

619
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,239
Speaker 4: all these dudes all the time? Man's all these dudes right,

620
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 4: like you do? They do nothing but to get you

621
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 4: in trouble. So when he told me that when I

622
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 4: was young, all I would do is be around a

623
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 4: bunch of women. And then you realize, even when I

624
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 4: used to throw parties back in the day, having a

625
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 4: bunch of women at the party, all the guys want

626
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 4: to come to the parties. You let women in free

627
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 4: before eleven. Now you can hit the guys over the head,

628
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

629
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 6: Twenty dollars.

630
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 4: That was a lot back then, people, you know I mean,

631
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 4: but twenty dollars right. So it's just like I've always

632
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 4: been around women, right, But I don't I don't know

633
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 4: if if if I was always listening to them like

634
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 4: I should have should have been.

635
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: That's why I asked about the daughters, because you have

636
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: no choice, like you could have been raised behind grandmothers

637
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: and things.

638
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 4: But daughters and the teenage, the fourteen year old, challenging

639
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 4: me like no other.

640
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 8: The energy is different. It's hard to explain, Like male

641
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 8: energy is just like put on a helmet, run into

642
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 8: the door. Like the women's energy is different. Man, it's

643
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 8: not like that. They were like, just like gotta listen

644
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 8: and make you feel so guilty about something.

645
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 4: Everything guilty and stupid stupid as all, Yeah, guilty and stupid.

646
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah it's already is dad, Like, it's that level of they.

647
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 8: Say actually all the time, as like no matter what.

648
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: You say, actually, or.

649
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 8: Basically as if like I'm a fucking idiot, and he

650
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 8: told basically what's going on? This is like every sentence

651
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 8: I got, Actually, Dad, that's right, basically, Dad, Like that's

652
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 8: like over the all four of them.

653
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and trying not the parent like like our parents.

654
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 4: So then that, you know, because I always say my

655
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 4: dad didn't parent with love. I think my dad parented

656
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 4: out a fear. You know what I'm saying, This motherfucker

657
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 4: is not gonna be like I was.

658
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

659
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 4: I don't want him to make none of the mistakes

660
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Speaker 4: that I made, So I think, you know, just trying

661
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Speaker 4: to parent out of love. Even answering those questions, like why,

662
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 4: Like when you're a seven year old or four year old,

663
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Speaker 4: ask you why.

664
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Speaker 2: No longer do we say, don't ask why.

665
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, and that that makes you think

666
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 4: because sometimes you be like, what is the why?

667
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 6: You know, what is the why?

668
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 5: My just parenting got my own anxiety doing what.

669
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 7: I was done to me. That's right, that's what we

670
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 7: always did.

671
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 6: Like I grew up getting beaten. I'm not beating my children.

672
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, like get beaten? Nah?

673
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 7: How is your marriage changed over the years and what

674
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 7: or developed over the years since.

675
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 4: Me and my wife being together for twenty five years?

676
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 4: So we met in nineteen ninety eight.

677
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 5: I don't have to make up my sound effects years.

678
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: It's like fifty years entertaining sight.

679
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 4: I don't.

680
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 5: That was life.

681
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 8: There you go, twenty five years a total waste.

682
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Speaker 5: If I don't do one effect for this, thank you.

683
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 4: But even with that, right, Like, that's what I was

684
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: gonn say about my pops. I've always been the type

685
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: person that I like being with one woman, right, Like

686
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 4: I've always why having a rider for you, having somebody

687
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 4: that's riding with you, Like I always thought that was

688
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 4: the cool way until I caught my pops cheating and

689
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 4: I'm like, I hit cheating on my mom. He looked

690
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 4: me in the eyes and goes, you only got one

691
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 4: girlfriend one day. One day you'll understand. One day you

692
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: don't understand, you know what I mean. So in my mind,

693
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: I'm thinking that's something wrong with having one girlfriend. So

694
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 4: that's when the whole player things started off or trying year.

695
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 4: But to be a player, No, that was way before

696
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 4: the third This was I reme since ninety eight, you

697
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 4: know what I mean.

698
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 6: So this is way before that.

699
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 4: But it's just like it took me, honestly, it took

700
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 4: me until like twenty sixteen to totally get rid of

701
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 4: that because I started to realize I'm becoming my father, right,

702
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 4: So you're turning into what you hated, right, And not

703
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 4: that I hate my dad. I just hated how he

704
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 4: did our family, you know what I mean. I saw

705
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: what his infidelity did and breaking apart him and my

706
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 4: mother and what that did to my younger siblings, you

707
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: know me, absolutely, and I didn't want that to be me.

708
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: On the side note, I always want to ask us

709
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: about to men to cheat and we all cheat because

710
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: I'm I've been a cheater.

711
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: But what if the shirt the shirt I knew it

712
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: was gonna come.

713
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 5: I knew it was going to come.

714
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: But what I was gonna what I was gonna say

715
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: is what if she What if what if she would.

716
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: Have turned around while you were in the stage and

717
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: been like.

718
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: Well, baby, since you went the stage, why don't we

719
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: just poly marit this thing for a second until you

720
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: can get.

721
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Speaker 4: A Because I not a idea with the Yeah, I'm

722
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: not with the polonies.

723
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 5: Out of the situation. Considered it too much work.

724
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: Because she got to get her.

725
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 5: Well no, no, there's a lot one. I'm just lazy and

726
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 5: it's already doing it.

727
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you still, like, no matter who, you

728
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: got to deal with somebody, and when you deal with someone,

729
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: you got to talk to them, communicate.

730
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 5: With them, get emotionally connected. Now we're gonna ask somebody else. Yeah,

731
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 5: And it's just too it's too much.

732
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: And I think at the end of the day, it's

733
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: also like you just get yeah, and this time my

734
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: ego gets.

735
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 6: The best of me.

736
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: Come on, come on, tell the truth for real.

737
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 5: Like all of us want to be on some Drake Wayne,

738
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 5: every girl in the world doing.

739
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 6: But Drake can't even handle.

740
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: That right, Yeah, that's almost the end of the episode.

741
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 8: It's a book ending.

742
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 5: Like I think at the end of the.

743
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: Day, like we just get generally tired of getting cart

744
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: and you know, racing shit, right, I got lazy. So

745
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: it's just like, all right, no, that's not fair.

746
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: And you find things that actually feed your soul and

747
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 4: not your ego, because that's what I think cheating is, right,

748
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 4: like nine times out of ten, when you out there cheating,

749
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 4: you're really just trying to feed your ego.

750
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 7: It's not about cheating, is not about I want to

751
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 7: be with another person. It's about you want to be.

752
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 4: But you know, another question too is can you handle

753
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 4: it when your woman cheats on you?

754
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: But that's why I was asking, because I was like,

755
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: while you're.

756
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: Out there, I don't want to know because men, I

757
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: don't know if men think that why you're cheating, that

758
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: a woman is fulfilled, because when we're not, if you're

759
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: given to somebody else, I'm still horning.

760
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 4: Your women are the most If you was with your

761
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 4: woman in college, you know what I'm saying.

762
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 6: Trust me, your woman had a life. Here we go

763
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 6: all right out of your mind.

764
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 4: If you think young woman didn't have a life in

765
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 4: college is nineteen ninety eight.

766
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 6: What I'm saying.

767
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 3: And then she hit Florida.

768
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: It'll be like you better fulfill or she going because

769
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 2: real Horny play.

770
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 8: The track again.

771
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: I can't even find it here, we go here, just

772
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: a lady.

773
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 5: Horn all right.

774
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: This has been a long time coming. Thank you for

775
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: having me, Thank you for having me. It's beautiful to

776
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: see your your evolution and and how you're coming up

777
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: in the world. Yes, I absolutely believe that you know

778
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: you will be the new Byron is Yo. No too, hey, yo,

779
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: that's a thing.

780
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 6: Somebody said that to me this weekend.

781
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 4: That's a thing.

782
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: Can you take us what listen?

783
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: Face Byron all just isn't the guy from real people

784
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 5: back in If don't make Byron Island your ceiling is

785
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 5: why I was right.

786
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 6: You know who first told me I'm gonna be a billionaire?

787
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 6: Dave Chappelle.

788
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 4: Really Chapelle random He randomly said that, like five years ago.

789
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: I don't know how you know what you can be

790
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: a billionaire living your black truth? Like I am just

791
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: so impressed.

792
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'm gonna tell you something. And I

793
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: know you might say, like, well, that's easy said than done. Yes,

794
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: I actually spend I hate that I'm getting real deep

795
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: in like the last minutes of this podcast. My assessment

796
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: in my last life in the last two years is

797
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: that I spend more time thinking how can I sabotage

798
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: something than I do letting it happen.

799
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 5: And I almost feel like it's transported like little.

800
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: I believe that we collectively as black people get these moments.

801
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: But because we getting our heads of was blah blah

802
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: blah gonna think? Is that not going to talk shit

803
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: Like something happened to me like three days ago and

804
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: I'm dreading this news getting out.

805
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 5: I mean, it's some big, a good thing.

806
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: It's a good thing, but you just.

807
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 5: Read for the history sake would be a good thing.

808
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: But if my first thoughts are a man like now,

809
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: I was gonna talk like it's it's hard to get

810
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: that voice out of your head, which is why, like

811
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: I keep stressing on the show, like the importance of

812
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: meditation and all that stuff.

813
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: That's because we live in a world when you whenever

814
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 4: you announce good news, it's always somebody ready to shoot

815
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 4: your good news down.

816
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 6: It's always ready.

817
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: For half the time, it's us waiting for the other

818
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: shoot ain't gonna last forever.

819
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 5: That's right.

820
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: I believe it is absolutely easy as hell to succeed.

821
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: If we just for any person that has not truly succeeded,

822
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: I will show your person that has somehow figured out

823
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: a way to thwart or sabotage it subconstantly or or

824
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: on purpose. I guarantee you I'm almost ninety nine per

825
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: certain that this happened.

826
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 6: How many times have you recommended the Big Leap on

827
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 6: this podcast?

828
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: Well, I mean we need a book let.

829
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm actually on it, like not, I don't want to

830
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: be that even then, Like I have a truth to share,

831
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: but I'm so scared that everyone's like hear me goes.

832
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: Again with you there, we've been talking about meditation since

833
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: the COVID Like we're all different, we all Bob, and

834
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: let's not let's not do that.

835
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 4: I read the Big Leap because of quest. I saw

836
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 4: a quests at this last year we got named as

837
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 4: what was it that we awarded something for the most

838
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 4: powerful media in New York or something or New York

839
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 4: something like.

840
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 5: There's an Illuminati room white people exactly, we.

841
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 4: Were the only people about the blackness, That's right.

842
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 6: So I go up to question and I asked, quess,

843
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 6: I'm like, yo, how's everything.

844
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 4: Changed since the you know, the Grammy and and when

845
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 4: you ask somebody how they're doing better, be prepared to

846
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 4: get her. And he gave me a real honest answer

847
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 4: and it was about the self sabotage everything else. He

848
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 4: was like, I'm reading this book called the Big Leap,

849
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 4: and I ordered literally the next daybout it.

850
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: Now I got one job, and that's just literally get

851
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: out my own way.

852
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 6: That's it.

853
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 7: If I get out my own way, I'm here, that's it.

854
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, Man, I mean this is so.

855
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 7: This is me and his first time ever meeting crazy.

856
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 7: We were supposed to do is crazy. It kind of

857
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 7: came full circle two thousand and five this I think

858
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 7: you were in Colombia, Columbia and mister show.

859
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 5: It just came out.

860
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 7: We were going to do a radio tour and we

861
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 7: had to do the next day we had to do

862
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 7: the MTVu Awards whatever. Literally the day we had to

863
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 7: leave was with my wife and the labor with my son.

864
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 7: So nice they went and did the interview, but that

865
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 7: was the time we were supposed to meet.

866
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 5: But that was like the only every show.

867
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 4: Because Pool we actually we did it. I had them

868
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 4: host a mixtape for me. I think it was had

869
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: Pool do some drops for a mixtape.

870
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, so yeah, that was like, yeah, that was what

871
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 7: he was November two thousand and five. So so yeah, man,

872
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 7: it's good for us to find.

873
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 4: It's fantastic to me. I love I love Little Brother.

874
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 4: What's so crazy is in South Carolina we didn't have no,

875
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 4: we didn't have nobody to look to in hip hop

876
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 4: as to look at them and be like, oh, I

877
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 4: can do that too. But North Carolina had Little Brother

878
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 4: and Pete Pablo and I used to go there and

879
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 4: watch a Josie Mole Shelley B.

880
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 6: You remember Shelley B.

881
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 5: That was up the core Oud of Wilson.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the homie like they got some m c MC

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Speaker 4: that raps my favorite rapper.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, she's that. She's will uh.

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Speaker 7: Rock snow Hill, snow Hill, snow Hill Hill. Yeah no man,

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Speaker 7: so no, So it was just crazy. I thought about

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Speaker 7: I'm like, man, we was supposed to do this two

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Speaker 7: years ago. Guys, we're literally getting kicked out.

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Speaker 5: Of our house right now.

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Speaker 3: That's fine.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having on behalf of Charlemagne and Fan

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Speaker 1: Tickeolo and like and to jews in the corner, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna stick.

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Speaker 8: Please, every game I've been given on the show sticks

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Speaker 8: white bill, unpaid bill to the.

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Speaker 3: Corner, white bill. You ain't never been.

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Speaker 5: That was the first you were there. That's right. Thank

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Speaker 5: you Charlemagne for doing this.

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Speaker 3: Armagne give folks.

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Speaker 5: Yes, the team just sent me. He says, thank you

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Speaker 5: like he's he changed my life. So that's good. She

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Speaker 5: is that I'm interviewing right now.

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Speaker 6: Oh dopey.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, we will see you on the next one around.

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Speaker 5: Quest Love Supremio See you West. Love Supreme is a

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Speaker 5: production of iHeartRadio.

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