1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: supernatural and the unexplained. Get ready now for Shades of 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host are thoughts 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: and opinions only and do not necessarily reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: Coast to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: sponsors and associates. You are encouraged to do the proper 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 2: amount of research yourself, depending on the subject matter and 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: your needs. 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 3: Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 3: been on a journey to prove the existence of life 13 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: after death. On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we 14 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 3: now know that our loved ones have survived physical debt, 15 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: and so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. 16 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: Day sixty two, August twenty first, two thousand and eleven. 17 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 3: The usual ache in my stomach comes and goes again. 18 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 3: The sadness is brief, but is a regular morning visitor. 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: So many things I wanted to do with my sons. 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: I know they are still with me and they see 21 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 3: me and they share in my joys, but it still hurts. 22 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 3: Today's journey to the Upper Realm. I went into the 23 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 3: meadow to the well and dropped some sand into the well. 24 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 3: I turned and walked with black panther up the path 25 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 3: to the cliff, then onto the cloud to the upper 26 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 3: Realm and into the garden clearing. The boys were standing 27 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: off to the right. I started crying with emotion. The 28 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: boys came to me and put their arms around me, 29 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 3: Kyle on the left, Shan on the right. We walked 30 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: arms around each other to the table. Kyle scooted in first, 31 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: then me, then Sean. They started eating leeche nuts, peeling them, 32 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 3: holding them up, and then popping them into their mouths. 33 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: I told them I miss you so much. I wish 34 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: you were with me, or that I could stay here 35 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: with you. You will be with us, mom, and you 36 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 3: know that we are always with you. I cried, and 37 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: they both said it's okay, Mom. They held me, Kyle 38 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 3: stroking my hair and face, saying it's okay, Mom. I 39 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: love you. I love you so much. I said, you 40 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: guys are always together, right. I want to know that 41 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 3: you're always together taking care of each other. Yes, mom, 42 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 3: we are always together. Me and Kyle are meant to 43 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 3: be together all of the time, so you don't ever 44 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: have to worry about us. But we worry about you. 45 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: I know, honey, But I'm getting stronger every day. We know, mom, 46 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 3: My guide. Michael came over and said it's time to go. 47 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: I kissed Kyle, holding his face in my hands. He 48 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: smiled at me. I love you, mom. I love you too. 49 00:02:59,200 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: Baby. 50 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: Sean scooted out then hugged me tightly. We're going to 51 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: stay here for a little while, mom. As I walked 52 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: away from the table, the boys were sitting there enjoying 53 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 3: their fruit. Michael put his arm around me. As I cried, 54 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: The boys called out, don't cry, mom, it's okay. I 55 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: called back, Okay, honey, I know, I'm ok I love you. 56 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: Michael helped me on to a cloud and held my hand. 57 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 3: He said, they will always be here for you. Those 58 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: words are from Maria pay, a mom who endured unimaginable 59 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: pain that no person should ever go through. On June 60 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: twenty first, twenty eleven, Maria's ex husband gave her young 61 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: teen sons sleeping pills. He killed them, and then he 62 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: shot himself for anyone dealing with severe grief and not 63 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: sure that you have the strength to make it through, 64 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 3: Maria's words today will surely give you some strength and power. 65 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: On this episode, Maria will share her journey, her evidence 66 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: that her boys have survived physical death, words on forgiveness, 67 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: soul growth, and ways to keep on going. Maria journaled 68 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 3: her experience these daily meditations. She used the signs she's 69 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 3: received as well as experiences with mediums in her book, 70 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: Journey to the Upper Realm How I Survived the deaths 71 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 3: of my sons and learned to communicate with them on 72 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: the other side. You can read the book for free 73 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: at Sean and Kyle imaginefund dot com. Sean is spelled 74 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: Sea n Sean and Kyle imaginefund dot com. I'd like 75 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: to share now with you the conversation I just had 76 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 3: with Maria yesterday. 77 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 5: My journey It Lily begins in twenty eleven. At the time, 78 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 5: I had divorced from my then husband and he was 79 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 5: the father of my two children, Sean and Kyle, at 80 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 5: the time that they were fifteen and thirteen years old, 81 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 5: and we had a shared custody and basically the boys 82 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 5: split their time between us. It was on June twenty first, 83 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 5: twenty eleven, that my ex husband, their father took their lives, 84 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 5: both of them, and then took his own. And I 85 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 5: discovered this on the morning of June twenty second, and 86 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 5: that was really when I guess I started my journey, 87 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 5: or the world kind of cracked open for me. 88 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: Did you hear it on the radio or the news 89 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: that something had happened in the town that they were saying. 90 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 5: I was actually getting ready for work at my home. 91 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 5: They had obviously been staying with their father, who lived 92 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 5: about five miles away. I was just getting ready to 93 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 5: leave the house, and I just caught something on the 94 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 5: news that caught my attention, which was just a picture 95 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 5: of the neighborhood with some police tape up and the 96 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 5: reporters saying that there has been a murder suicide. So 97 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 5: I just stopped me in my tracks, and I don't know, 98 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 5: I guess somehow spirit knows there's something happening. So I 99 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 5: started making phone calls, calling both of my sons, my 100 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 5: ex husband's phone, and of course nobody answering. So I 101 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 5: just got in my car and drove straight there and arrived. 102 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 5: They had the police tape up and I just said, please, 103 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 5: please tell me it's not my son's That's what I said. 104 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 5: And they asked me my name and my son's names, 105 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 5: and they said there's been some deaths, and that's when 106 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 5: I just collapsed to the ground. It was a strange 107 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 5: need to feel earth at that moment. And that was 108 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 5: really the things, obviously on the material world that occurred 109 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 5: that propelled me of the journey that I went on 110 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 5: and I'm still on. 111 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: We are on these journeys and awful to say that 112 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: sometimes our darkest moments help us to believe in a 113 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: bigger picture. At the time, did you believe in the 114 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 3: afterlife for your spiritual at all? 115 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,679 Speaker 5: I can't say that I was. I was very much 116 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 5: enmeshed in the material world, focusing on achievement, accomplishment, success, 117 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 5: the same thing for my kids. All I was thinking 118 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 5: about was working. At the time. I was working for 119 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 5: the County of San Diego. I was a trained attorney, 120 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 5: so everything was logical and rational for me, and so 121 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 5: I don't want to say that I didn't believe in 122 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 5: the afterlife, but I didn't have a focus there. That 123 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 5: was not where my attention was, So it really didn't 124 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 5: know where to go. After this event occurred, I was 125 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 5: just numb and shocked and also just didn't know how 126 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 5: to solve this problem that had occurred. So that's when 127 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 5: I had to really just open myself up and start 128 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 5: trusting the intuition and the spirit and the soul within 129 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 5: to lead me in a direction where I could continue. 130 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 5: There's nothing worse than grief. And I heard you say 131 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 5: it's like love inside out, just. 132 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: Ringing the love cloth dry over and over again. The 133 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 3: more we love, the more painful it is. So from 134 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: the bottom of all of our hearts, we send our 135 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: love to you. I know time has passed, but I 136 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 3: also know how grief works, and it's a mess that 137 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 3: can get triggered and all those things. 138 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 5: Sandra, I really look at it differently now. Grief to 139 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 5: me is such a gift because it really is a 140 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 5: reflection of the love that we have for our children 141 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 5: and for others. And so when I feel like coming on, 142 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 5: which is not that often anymore, even though I guess 143 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 5: I carry it around with me and sometimes it will 144 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 5: bubble to the surface or leak or something will trigger it. 145 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 5: But I look at it as a reminder to me 146 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 5: of the love that I share with my sons that 147 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 5: I shared with them. I continue to share with them 148 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 5: and will continue until I can reunite with them again. 149 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 5: I tell people, when the grief comes, really try to 150 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 5: embrace it, really let it come in, because that is 151 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 5: just love in another form. 152 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. I said this at the very beginning. 153 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: But Sean and Kyle imagine fund dot com. You're so 154 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: generous that people can click on the PDF and read 155 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: your book. There's so much to you and your story 156 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: and the boys that I really encourage people to take 157 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: Maria up on that offer. 158 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 5: And it's the boys were the ones that really prompted me, 159 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 5: pushed me to write the book, and so it's out 160 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 5: there for anybody that wants to read it that it 161 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 5: can help you. You don't have to pay for it 162 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 5: on the website. You can just download it if you like. 163 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 5: But it's certainly a gift that I am bringing or 164 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 5: like to give to others and help them along on 165 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 5: their journey. 166 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 3: Thank you for that. Where did you begin on the 167 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,479 Speaker 3: spiritual journey? Did you find someone? Did you know about meditation? 168 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: Someone help you along on the journey to believing? Yes? 169 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 5: And I still have very strong memories of this I 170 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 5: remember probably two or three weeks after my sons had passed, 171 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 5: we had had the memorial service. I'm just sitting at 172 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 5: my desk at home, in my house and just at 173 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 5: a loss as to what now, well, what do I 174 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 5: do now? And as I was sitting there, I just 175 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 5: had this thought pop into my head and it was 176 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 5: call Marsie. And I remembered that one of my friends, Shannon, 177 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 5: and her sister was Marcie. And I actually never met 178 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 5: Marcy before I knew of her, and so I contacted Shannon, 179 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 5: I said, I need to talk to your sister, and 180 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 5: come to find out that Marcy was a shaman, and 181 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 5: so I ended up coordinating with her and spent about 182 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 5: a week with her at her home. She was so 183 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 5: generous and she didn't tell me later she checked in 184 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 5: with her guides to make sure that this was supposed 185 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 5: to happen. And I spent a week with her what 186 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 5: I call spiritual boot camp, and she taught me how 187 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 5: to meditate, how to journey, do a shamanic journey to 188 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 5: meet my sons so I could actually talk to them 189 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 5: and connect with them again. Something like divine guidance leading 190 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 5: me to work with Marcy and It helped me to 191 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 5: just develop this aspect of myself, that the intuitive aspect 192 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 5: that all of us have. 193 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 3: It. 194 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 5: It's just a matter of opening yourself up up and 195 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 5: suspending disbelief. I guess for a bit and just go 196 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 5: with it, even if you think that it might not 197 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 5: be real. I certainly was very skeptical as well about 198 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 5: these things, and it took me a lot to really 199 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 5: get to the point of being able to go even 200 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 5: beyond believing that there's something much more than what's on 201 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 5: the physical side of our experience. 202 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 3: So through the journey and you've been able to connect 203 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 3: with the boys. 204 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 5: Yes, Marcy started me on something very simple, and she said, 205 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 5: just go sit outside wherever it is, sit outside, close 206 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 5: your eyes, and just focus on listening. 207 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: It's time for our first break. 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I'm Sandra Champlain 228 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 3: here with Maria Pey, whose boys were tragically taken from her. 229 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 3: I asked her about the advice she got from Marcie, 230 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 3: a shaman, and if she's been able to journey and 231 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 3: reconnect with her sons. 232 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 5: Yes, Marcie started me on something very simple, and she said, 233 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 5: just go sit outside wherever it is, sit outside, close 234 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 5: your eyes and just focus on listening, listening to whatever's 235 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 5: out there. It could be a bird or a dog 236 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 5: in the distance, or traffic, whatever it is. Just sit 237 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 5: there and focus on that and it was amazing because 238 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 5: I think what that did is it gives your thinking 239 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 5: brain something to do and then allows the rest of 240 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 5: your being to receive. And that's when I first started 241 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 5: even feeling my boys, sensing them and seeing colors. And 242 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 5: it was just a very simple meditation that anybody can do, 243 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 5: even just start off for five minutes at the very least, 244 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 5: it will help you have a little bit of peace 245 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 5: and serenity. 246 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: Did you visualize that you would meet with them at 247 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 3: a certain location or anything like that. 248 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 5: Yes. Once I started learning how to do the Shermanic 249 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 5: journeys with Marci, she first helped me visualize going to 250 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 5: animal realm and then very realm, these different realms that 251 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 5: exist where we can meet our spirit animal in the 252 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 5: animal realm, and it was just progression onto developing this 253 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 5: upper realm where a safe place that I could envision, imagine, 254 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 5: if you will, a place where I could feel comfortable 255 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 5: meeting with the boys, and it was sometimes more real 256 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 5: than what we experience here in the physical world. I 257 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 5: even have Marcie comment at one point she said, I 258 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 5: just need you to promise that you're going to come back, 259 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 5: because I don't want to have to go back and 260 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 5: get get you. That's how real it was to meet 261 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 5: with them. 262 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, people take for granted what's possible. And I know, 263 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 3: even through some lucid dreaming and other experiences I've had, 264 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 3: you can't tell me they weren't real. And there's been 265 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 3: some real, verifiable information that people have gotten that there's 266 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: no way that they could know through those moments. So 267 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 3: you went on that journey and now you're sharing about it, 268 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: and I know you're sharing the book. Also, when we 269 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: hear other people's stories, Maria, it's easier to say, Okay, 270 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 3: if that's possible for them, maybe I can do that too, 271 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: and start on that absolutely. 272 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 5: And again I think we as individuals have our own journey, 273 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 5: our own experience, and so just being open to anything 274 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 5: that might work for you. So this is something that 275 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 5: works well for me, and I know there's other people 276 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 5: that have shared their stories with me about how they've 277 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 5: communicated through astral travel or some other form of communication, 278 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 5: and so what worked for me might not necessarily work 279 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 5: for everybody, but it's certainly worth a try. And just 280 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 5: again just staying open to any possible ways to communicate, 281 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 5: whether it be in dream meditations, automatic writing. There's just 282 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 5: so many different ways that spirits communicate with us. 283 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 3: Could you tell us a little bit about Sean and 284 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 3: Kyle and if they have communicated with you, what they're 285 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 3: up to these days, because I'm completely believe they can 286 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 3: keep one foot in our world keeping an eye on us, 287 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 3: but there's work to be done and there's lives to 288 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 3: be had, and. 289 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 5: The idea I don't and honestly, I don't communicate with 290 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 5: them on a regular basis anymore. I just have a 291 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 5: sense that they're progressing in their own journeys and their 292 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 5: own work that they're doing. I know Sean is working 293 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 5: within the realm of music. He always loved music. He 294 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 5: was a guitar player. And I've heard little snippets from 295 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 5: other side gicks or mediums and little things about maybe 296 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 5: what they're doing. I remember one person told me that, oh, 297 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 5: he's a sound engineer right now for John Lennon, And 298 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 5: there was no way she could have known that John 299 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 5: Lennon was his idol, his favorite artist, and that he 300 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 5: was so much into the Beatles. So I know that 301 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 5: he's doing something in music. And then Kyle was my 302 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 5: little sports nut, and he loved football, he loved science. 303 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 5: I just get the sense that he's doing something with 304 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 5: regard to light, and I'm not really sure exactly what 305 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 5: it is, probably too advanced for me to understand at 306 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 5: this point, but yeah, I get the sense that they 307 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 5: definitely keeping busy. 308 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 3: I get what you say about not constantly in touch. 309 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 3: My dad passed in twenty ten, and it was out 310 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 3: of the grief that I felt and the research that 311 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 3: I did that I ended up coming forward with what 312 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 3: I knew about the afterlife and grief, and my book 313 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: came out and so many people think, oh, you must 314 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 3: be in touch with your dad all the time. No, 315 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 3: I really do believe, because I've gotten the validation for 316 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 3: mediums and things that he's by my side and he's 317 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 3: helping get the good word out that we go on. 318 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 3: But I think our lives really are to be lived, 319 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 3: and I know he's still alive. I do, and every 320 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 3: so often the memory will come in. I'll be like 321 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 3: I Hey Dad, or I'll be in the quiet zone 322 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: between sleep and wake and either see him or feel 323 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 3: a memory, say Dad, But it's okay to live our lives, 324 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 3: and I think our loved ones want us to. 325 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 5: Yes, that's so true, and that's what I was going 326 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 5: to say, Sandra, is that I At one point, when 327 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 5: my shamanic journeys started becoming less frequent, I had asked 328 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 5: the boys, why am I not seeing you as much 329 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 5: or being with you as much? And they said, Mom, 330 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 5: you have life to live, you have your human experience 331 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 5: still to go through, and we're always going to be around. 332 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 5: And I noticed that they do pop in at those 333 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 5: moments when either you really need them or there's something 334 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 5: that just a little reminder that we're around. But for 335 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 5: the most part, they want us to be living our lives. 336 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 5: We have so much more that we've got on this 337 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 5: plane to do to learn, and so the fact that 338 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 5: we don't have a daily discussion or even a weekly discussion, 339 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 5: that doesn't mean that they're not around. It just means 340 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 5: that they want us to focus on living our lives 341 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 5: here and they'll connect with us when we need them 342 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 5: or they need us. 343 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely they will. The way I found you is actually 344 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: seeing pictures of your boys for a number of years. 345 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 3: Two years ago we produced a movie called Ranaldi Instrumental 346 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 3: Transcommunication to the Other Side about the work of Sonia 347 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 3: and Aaldi who takes pictures and captures things like steam 348 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: and different energy even audio and chopped up sounds and 349 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 3: voices of loved ones come through. And now pictures and 350 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 3: three D pictures and in color pictures come out of 351 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 3: some of her work. And I've seen Sean and Kyle 352 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 3: so many times. And then on one of her emagazines 353 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 3: that she sends out, there was your name. And so 354 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 3: I don't know if this was just me, my own soul, 355 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 3: or your boys saying interview Mom, Sandra, I don't know, 356 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 3: but I just really felt certain that I wanted to 357 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 3: connect with you and hear your story. Could you tell 358 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 3: me a little bit about your interaction with Sonya and 359 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 3: some of the pictures. 360 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 5: Yes, Oh my god, Sonya is such an amazing person. 361 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 5: So I first met Sonya probably would have been like 362 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 5: two thousand and twelve, thirteen, something like that. It's been 363 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 5: a while, and she was coming to a conference that 364 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 5: Craig Hogan was organizing with ROBERTA. Grimes, and I didn't 365 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 5: know anything about her work. I knew she did something 366 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 5: with the instrumental transcommunication, and Craig had said, Sonya is 367 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 5: going to be presenting, and she thought maybe it would 368 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 5: be helpful to coordinate with some of the other presenters 369 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 5: on maybe what she can capture or whatever she can 370 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 5: get with her work. And so he said, would you 371 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 5: be willing to give her a couple photos of your sons? 372 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 5: I said, yeah, sure, no problem, here's the photos. So 373 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 5: I sent them to her and a short time later 374 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 5: she sent me back some images look like my sons. 375 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 5: But she says, what do you think of these images? 376 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 5: And I, at the time, not knowing anything about what 377 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 5: she did, I said, I'm not really sure what to 378 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 5: think of them, because, you know, I know people use 379 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 5: photoshop all the time, and there's that skeptic in me, 380 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 5: you know, the cynics like, well, where did she get 381 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 5: these or how did she manage to manipulate these photographs? Well, 382 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 5: I come to find out she explained to me her process. 383 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 5: And I'm not sure if she's still doing this that 384 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 5: she could be. She likely is, But what she did 385 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 5: is she would have the image of my son on 386 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 5: her computer, just showing on the screen, and then she 387 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 5: would have a video recorder that would just be focused 388 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 5: on that photograph on the computer, and she would film 389 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 5: this and so it would be hundreds and thousands of 390 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 5: frames still frames, you know how films are made, And 391 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 5: she and her team would go through every single frame 392 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 5: to see if there was a chain in the image, 393 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 5: and lo and behold, she came up with these two images, 394 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 5: which shows clearly when she presented them that my sons 395 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 5: had progressed in life. They looked a little bit more mature, 396 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 5: they were older. The images were different from the photograph. 397 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 5: When I saw that, I realized that spirits, including my sons, 398 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 5: can manipulate energy or this type of electronics or whatever. 399 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 5: And I'm sure a lot of people can relate to this, 400 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 5: where the lights will turn on or the music will 401 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 5: play a certain song, because it's easier for them to 402 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 5: manipulate that type of energy as opposed to hard matter. 403 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 5: So that was my initial work with Sonya, and I 404 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 5: think for her it was a breakthrough as well, because 405 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 5: she always talked about your sons. They showed me kind 406 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 5: of like the Acoshak record, like the progression of the souls, 407 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 5: and they're older now, they're growing on the other side, 408 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 5: just as they would have here. That was my initial 409 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 5: work with Sonya, and I did a few other things 410 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 5: here and there, but I'm so pleased to see how 411 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 5: much she is doing for so many people, and she's 412 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 5: just an incredible human being. Incredible soul. 413 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: I love her dearly. I do. 414 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 7: I do. 415 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 3: If anyone wants to see some of her work, you 416 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: can actually see the film on Amazon Prime it's called Renaldi, 417 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 3: or on the We Don't Die dot com website. The 418 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 3: store page on the front page two is a link 419 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 3: where you can watch it for me personally. Maria, I 420 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 3: had seen your son's images and some other images, and 421 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,959 Speaker 3: I start talking to my dad. I said, Dad, if 422 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 3: there's a way you can get down to Brazil and 423 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 3: do find out whatever she's doing and get your face 424 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 3: on there. Sony didn't have any pictures of my father, 425 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: nor did I send her any nor could you find any. 426 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 6: Ah. 427 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 3: Yes, it is time for the break, but we'll be 428 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 3: back and you'll hear more about Sonya Ronaldi. Also some 429 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 3: words from Maria on forgiveness and then how to live 430 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 3: life powerfully. We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades 431 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 432 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 3: AM Paranormal podcast network. 433 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere. 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Keep it here on the iHeartRadio on 454 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 455 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 456 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 3: here with Mom Maria pay her boys now growing up 457 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 3: in the afterlife. I've seen many pictures of her sons 458 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 3: through the work of Sonya Andaldi. Clearly they're growing older. 459 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 3: I was telling Maria about my dad coming through Sonia's 460 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 3: trans images. Sony didn't have any pictures of my father, 461 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 3: nor did I send her any, nor could you find any. 462 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 3: And then suddenly there started to be some images that 463 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 3: came through. And at that time she had an Easter 464 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 3: egg mold, a clear Easter egg mold, and she was 465 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 3: using different projectors and putting static in the center and 466 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 3: then just filming it and lo and behold. Out of 467 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 3: the static of face forms is my dad's face and 468 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 3: then it disappears. And she sent me that video because 469 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 3: she regularly send me some unknown people. Oh Dad, we 470 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 3: have a similar picture of him like that back in 471 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 3: his Air Force days. He died when he was in 472 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 3: the seventies, when he was in about twenty six, is 473 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: what it looks like. The picture that she has that 474 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 3: came through. He's looking off to the side with a smile, 475 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 3: a little different smile and picture we have he's looking 476 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 3: straight on and that's one of those from believing to 477 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 3: knowing moments. And then a couple of years ago, my 478 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 3: former boyfriend died tragically and I did ask. I says, 479 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 3: there any chance because my heart was heavy, and I 480 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 3: knew her, and I thought, if I'm not imposing too much, 481 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 3: because she doesn't work with the public. Thousands of people 482 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 3: come to her for these pictures, and she works with 483 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 3: a team, and if there's opportunities that she can work 484 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 3: with the public, she'll definitely share that. But she did, 485 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 3: and so she had the picture of the sky mike 486 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 3: and the one picture turned into a different kind of 487 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 3: project where she put vapor over the picture, and the 488 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 3: vapor over to the right of the picture started forming images, 489 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 3: and it started forming three D images, and not only 490 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 3: was his face there, but from a smile, he closed 491 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 3: his mouth, his head moved. She even has people now, 492 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 3: She's got a nice young lady who's come through, who 493 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 3: blinks her eyes in the videos. 494 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 5: Oh wow. 495 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's come a long way and there's more to come. 496 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 3: So I keep giving myself goosebumps here. 497 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 5: That's great. 498 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 3: You know. 499 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 5: I remember one time asking Sonya, how did you get 500 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 5: my sons to come to you? She says, no, they 501 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 5: choose to come. Yeah, they choose to come. 502 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're working on the behalf of humanity, is what 503 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 3: I think with some other young people. Yeah, tell us 504 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 3: about the Sean and Kyle Imagine fund. 505 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's just a very modest fund for promoting what 506 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 5: their ideals were and are. And Sean was all about 507 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 5: peace and love and if you could think of that 508 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 5: sixties hippie, old soul John Lennon type, that's the human 509 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 5: being that he was. And sometimes I just try to 510 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 5: find something that I can contribute to that would be 511 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 5: in law with his ideals. And then Kyle is all 512 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 5: about honesty, integrity and doing your best. And so one 513 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 5: of the latest organizations that we've funded is to promote peace, 514 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 5: and there's a little piece about it on the website. 515 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 5: But yeah, it's just something for me. Some of my 516 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 5: friends and colleagues have donated, and so I just go 517 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 5: with what feels right in that regard. Sean always reminded me, 518 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 5: even when I started writing the book and trying to 519 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 5: do something to promote their ideals. I would ask him 520 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 5: how I can't change your world? How am I supposed 521 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 5: to do anything meaningful? And he said, mom, one person 522 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 5: at a time, that's it. That's all you need to do, 523 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 5: and that's all we can do, really, whether it's helping 524 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 5: with sharing my story or helping a cause, it's just 525 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 5: one person at a time. And I try not to 526 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 5: feel too overwhelmed about trying to make huge ages in 527 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 5: the world because I think the world is by design 528 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 5: a conflicted place and that's what creates growth for us 529 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 5: as spirits and souls. 530 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 3: Could you talk a little bit about forgiveness. I know 531 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 3: people are listening to your story and some people, especially 532 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 3: who have children who have passed, feel a real sense 533 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 3: of guilt. So there might be forgiveness needed to another 534 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 3: person or to ourselves. How do we live on because 535 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 3: that guilt can kill us? It really, it's tough. 536 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 5: It is tough. Once I had a reading from a 537 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 5: great medium in Orange County, timber On, and I remember 538 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 5: he brought through And this was pretty early on after 539 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 5: I'd say one year after my sons had died. And 540 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 5: then my sons came through and they said, Mom, I 541 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 5: really want you to focus on forgiving our father, our dad. 542 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 5: Talk about it, ask right, talk about how do you 543 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 5: forgive that? And it's a process. It's not something where 544 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 5: you can all of a sudden say okay, yeah, I 545 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 5: forgive you for what you've done. It's more delving into 546 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,479 Speaker 5: yourself and really understanding your higher self and trying to 547 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 5: open up as much as possible so that you eventually 548 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 5: get to the understanding that we don't die. No one dies, 549 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 5: and so what are these things that happen in our life? 550 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 5: Why do people die? Why there are life lessons? Whatever 551 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,719 Speaker 5: is in your life is obviously going to be different 552 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 5: from my life, but my son's death is something that 553 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 5: I've come to accept that this part of my journey 554 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 5: and the manner of their transition is certainly one of 555 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 5: the harder ones I think that somebody would have to experience. 556 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 5: I know that other people that have experience this type 557 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 5: of traumatic, tragic, gut wrenching type of loss of a 558 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 5: loved one. But that's all part of, I believe, part 559 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 5: of the whole, the plan, the blueprint, and if forgiveness 560 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 5: is part of your journey, that is something that you'll 561 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 5: work on it and there's no timeframe. We know that 562 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 5: you do that a little bit that you can for yourself, 563 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 5: because we all know forgiveness is about taking care of ourselves. 564 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 5: So in the grief part, you know the feeling, oh, 565 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 5: I should have been there, or I should have known, 566 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 5: or I should have done something to me. Everything that 567 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 5: happens in our world in the physical plane, it happens 568 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 5: exactly the way it's supposed to happen. And the reason 569 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 5: that I believe that the greatest evidence to me is 570 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 5: that it has happened. It took me a long time. 571 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 5: Believe me, I didn't get to that point quickly. It's 572 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 5: been a process and I still have that process that 573 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 5: I'm going through. But all I can say is just 574 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 5: keep going. Your loved ones want you to keep going. 575 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 5: You would want them to keep going if the roles 576 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 5: were reversed. So every day that we're here getting up 577 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 5: in the morning, doing what we need to do, living life, 578 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 5: even hopefully thriving for whatever time you've got left, that 579 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 5: is all a testament again to the love and that 580 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 5: we have with our family and our children, people that 581 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 5: have passed on. I think it's something that's incredibly beautiful. 582 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 5: It truly is a gift, and we're not here forever. 583 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 5: We know that ultimately we're going to one step closer 584 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 5: right to being with those loved ones. But in the meantime, 585 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 5: live it up enjoy life. That's what they want for 586 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 5: us to experience as much which as we possibly can, 587 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 5: and knowing that they continue to experience with us as 588 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 5: well they're around. I agree people have asked the whole 589 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 5: guild question. Our younger selves did the best we could 590 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 5: at every given moment, and we just have to trust 591 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 5: that the more we think a thought, the more we 592 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 5: can create a new neural pathway and have a habit 593 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 5: of thinking that thought. And it doesn't serve us and 594 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 5: it really is tough though. 595 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 3: When we're grieving. I want to just encourage people. If 596 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,760 Speaker 3: you're interested, you want a free copy of my book. 597 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 3: Chapter ten is on how to Survive Grief, and you 598 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 3: can have a free copy just that we don'tdie dot com. 599 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,720 Speaker 3: If you put in your name and your email address, 600 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 3: it says you get the first few chapters of my 601 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 3: book free. And the secret is it's the entire book. 602 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 3: But chapter ten is how to survive grief and with 603 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 3: that there's changes in our mind, our memory, our biology, 604 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 3: and I go into some explanation of why grief does 605 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 3: what it does and for each person I know Maria 606 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 3: knows this, it's a different journey and we can't block 607 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 3: it because what we resist persists, but we can't make 608 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 3: it wrong. But there are some tools, like when we 609 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 3: start thinking of repetitive thought, whether it's grief or something, 610 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 3: that we can short circuit it and maybe put in 611 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 3: a positive thought or memory is something like that. But 612 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 3: there's tools there to help you. There certainly are, And 613 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 3: I'm like, Maria, you can certainly buy a book on Amazon, 614 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 3: but take it for free because there's so much information 615 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 3: really that can make a difference. Maria. I know those 616 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 3: people that don't feel that they can go on when 617 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 3: they have such strong grief, and you've made it through 618 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 3: what I think most people would find unimaginable. What can 619 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 3: you say to them? 620 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 5: I'm going to go back, Sandra to a couple of 621 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 5: weeks after my sins had passed, and I'm sure a 622 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 5: lot of people can relate to this. I wanted to die, 623 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 5: I wanted to be gone, and I remember begging one 624 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 5: of my friends please just give me some prescription or something, 625 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 5: because I don't want to live here without my sons. 626 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 5: So that is a very real emotion and there's nothing 627 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 5: wrong with it. But for me, I really had an 628 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 5: important realization when I was driving back home a few 629 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 5: weeks after my sons had passed, I went to go 630 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 5: see my therapist counselor. I realized that she would not 631 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 5: be able to help me because she was trained in 632 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 5: psychoanalysis or whatever. So she basically sat and watched me 633 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 5: cry for an hour because it was anything she could do. 634 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 5: I was grief, extreme grief, and I said, Okay, I'm 635 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 5: going to drive home now. And she was shocked to 636 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 5: hear that I had driven myself to this counseling session. 637 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 5: And as I was driving home, I realized that, I 638 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 5: guess people believe that you can't really function after something 639 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 5: like this, But I thought to myself, yeah, I drove myself. 640 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 5: I can crash my car into a wall, or I 641 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 5: can drive off the corner, the bridge, or there were 642 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 5: all these ways that I could take myself out of 643 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 5: this physical reality. And that's when I had the realization 644 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 5: that my spirit was a heck of a lot stronger 645 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 5: than my human being, the human part of me. My 646 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 5: spirit was telling me, in no uncertain terms, no way. 647 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 3: We'll be back in just a moment with more powerful 648 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 3: words from Maria pay And I'll tell you a little 649 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 3: miracle that happened to me this week. I take it 650 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,399 Speaker 3: as a sign it's pretty cool. We'll be right back. 651 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 3: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeart 652 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 3: Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 653 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,760 Speaker 4: Don't go anywhere. 654 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,479 Speaker 1: There's more Shades of the Afterlife coming right up. 655 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 7: Before the Art Belvault has classic audio waiting for you. 656 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 4: Now. Go to Coast to COASTAM dot com for details. 657 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 4: Take us with you anywhere. This is the iHeartRadio and 658 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 4: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 659 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain, 660 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 3: and we're here with mom Maria pay, author of the 661 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 3: book To the Upper Realm, How I survived the deaths 662 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 3: of my sons and learned to communicate with them on 663 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 3: the other side. She was just telling us how she 664 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 3: hit rock bottom and grief, had gone to a counselor 665 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 3: which was no help, and thought to herself, I could 666 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 3: easily drive off a cliff and put it into this, 667 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:22,800 Speaker 3: but of course she didn't. 668 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 5: That's when they had the realization that my spirit was 669 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 5: a heck of a lot stronger than my human being, 670 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 5: the human part of me. My spirit was telling me 671 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 5: in no uncertain terms. No way, no way, You're not 672 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 5: going to do that, and there was no way that 673 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 5: that was going to be what happened to me. So 674 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 5: when I think about grief and that realization, again it's 675 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,240 Speaker 5: what do you do to help yourself? Yeah, I don't know. Gosh, 676 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 5: everybody's so different, okay, And I honor and respect that. 677 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 5: And so when I've just told people try to embrace 678 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 5: the grief, they say, what are you talking about. I 679 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 5: can't do that. I don't know how to do that. 680 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 5: For me, it was just coming to the realization that 681 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 5: the grief, the whole spectrum of our emotions, is meant 682 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 5: to be felt in our lifetime. That's why there's all 683 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,760 Speaker 5: these things that occur in our life, happiness, joy, elation, 684 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,479 Speaker 5: but also grief and sadness and loss, and that's part 685 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 5: of the human experience. And knowing that the grief is 686 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 5: my love for my sons just helped me get through. 687 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 5: And I also remembered that whenever I was feeling that 688 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 5: really is the time that they're closest to me is 689 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 5: during that grief. Again, I don't know if that helps 690 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 5: other people, it certainly helped me, And I think reaching 691 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 5: out to family and friends, but also not being afraid 692 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 5: of it. Like you said, you know what we resist persists, 693 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,919 Speaker 5: and to allow yourself to grieve, to really let those 694 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 5: emotions in. It's amazingly cleansing to do that, and it 695 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 5: actually can give you strength. You have to let the 696 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 5: emotions process through you, otherwise they do get stuck. That's 697 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 5: one of the things that I learned from Marcy is 698 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 5: that emotions get stuck in your body and they can 699 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,280 Speaker 5: manifest in different physical ways. And so just to allow 700 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 5: them to go through. Just like we allow love and happiness, 701 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 5: all those goods things to process through and really feel them, 702 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 5: you can do the same thing with grief and sadness. 703 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,240 Speaker 5: It's not a bad thing. And it certainly can be painful, 704 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 5: it certainly can hurt, but again it's not a bad thing. 705 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 3: I agree. And also, you are on the journey of 706 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 3: looking for your boys through meditation, the journeying son. You're 707 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 3: analdi and mediums and all that, and to get those 708 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,799 Speaker 3: words and those pictures and those images even in your 709 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,280 Speaker 3: own mind, nobody can take that away from you. Nobody 710 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 3: can say, Maria, that was just your imagination. That's how 711 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:12,879 Speaker 3: they communicate to us. 712 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I used whatever resources were out there. I 713 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,399 Speaker 5: read many, many books by ROBERTA, by Craig Hogan, by 714 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 5: other mediums, other people. I've tried to absorb as much 715 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 5: as I could, and I also had some pretty amazing 716 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 5: readings with some of the mediums that are out there too. 717 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 5: All those things can help, and they certainly did for me. 718 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 3: So go on your individual journey and ask for help 719 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 3: you can, and research spirituality. What can people find inside 720 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 3: your book? Because you know I'm going to share, share, share, Maria. 721 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,320 Speaker 5: I always tell people, if you're going to read my book, 722 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 5: and it's not a short book, please read it all 723 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 5: the way through because it is my journey and there's 724 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 5: so much heartache and grief and pain, and it's important 725 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 5: to come out on the other side where I came out, 726 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 5: which is a realization that everything that I learned in 727 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 5: my journey and to be able to come out whole again. 728 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 5: I always think of my heart as being shattered in 729 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 5: a million pieces, but it's still together and it's still beating, 730 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 5: and that in itself is a gift. Actually, what it 731 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 5: is is transcription of my journals that I made when 732 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 5: I was in my process. So after my son's passed, 733 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,919 Speaker 5: there were a couple of things that I started doing 734 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 5: that I never used to do, which was meditate and 735 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 5: keep a journal. And so this is my journal from 736 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 5: basically every day of my experience for that first year 737 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,319 Speaker 5: after they passed, and people ask me, how did you 738 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 5: do it? How do you get through? It's all in there, 739 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 5: everything and just being able to again stay open and 740 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:07,359 Speaker 5: be amazed at what your loved ones can send to you, 741 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 5: what they can share with you, how they communicate. So 742 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 5: you'll find very personal journey in there, different meditations, different 743 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 5: visits I had with them, because after I had my 744 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 5: shamanic journeys to meet with them, I would then write 745 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,320 Speaker 5: everything I could remember that it had occurred. It's a 746 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,879 Speaker 5: very personal experience and I just hope it can help 747 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,399 Speaker 5: other people see that you can do this and your 748 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 5: loved ones they're helping you to do this. 749 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 3: Thank you for sharing that. And I know a number 750 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,719 Speaker 3: of years have gone by and while the stories may 751 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,719 Speaker 3: not be fresh on your mind, they were fresh on 752 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 3: your mind when you wrote them, and that's what's within 753 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 3: the book Journey to the Upper Realm, and so I 754 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 3: encourage people to check it out. You can go to 755 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 3: Sean Kyle imagine fund dot com and Sean is spelled 756 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 3: sea n. It does help Maria to know that someone's 757 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 3: gone through this journey and they've come out on the 758 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 3: other side. It's tough to talk about grief in somebody's 759 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 3: passing to someone who hasn't been through it. So even 760 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:24,120 Speaker 3: reading your words, it's so clear you're there the pain 761 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 3: and like you said, read it to the end, come 762 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,400 Speaker 3: out the other side and life. You continue to learn 763 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,759 Speaker 3: and you continue to grow. Maria, anything else you'd like 764 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,880 Speaker 3: to share while we're here together. 765 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 5: I just want to say that I am absolutely open 766 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 5: to anybody that would like to email or talk to me. 767 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 5: I just feel blessed, believe it or not, that this 768 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 5: journey that I've had has been amazing. There's so much 769 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 5: joy in my life now. People sometimes find that hard 770 00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:01,319 Speaker 5: to believe, but I know that my sons are in 771 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 5: a place or a plane that where they still thrive 772 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 5: and grow, and so honestly, sometimes I'm glad that I 773 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 5: have to worry about I'm here on earthplane. But I 774 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,359 Speaker 5: think that it's the experience that we're having here is 775 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 5: it's truly it's amazing, and it's a such a blessing. 776 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 5: So I just encourage people to stay open to the 777 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,719 Speaker 5: possibilities that are out there and the resources that are 778 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:31,279 Speaker 5: out there for you. 779 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,719 Speaker 3: Thank you, Maria. And as a reminder, you can go 780 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 3: to Sean and Kyle imaginefund dot com. You can see 781 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,880 Speaker 3: videos of the boys and pictures. You can read a 782 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 3: copy of her book Journey to the Upper Realm, and 783 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 3: so much more if you're interested more in Sonia Rinaldi 784 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 3: and her pictures. Two things. One, if you go to 785 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 3: my website we Don't Die dot and you click on 786 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,919 Speaker 3: the store page, scroll down a little bit. I did 787 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:11,440 Speaker 3: two events online with Sonia. One is dated December eighteenth 788 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 3: and the other one is dated August thirteenth. The December 789 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:21,960 Speaker 3: eighteenth one has pictures of Sean and Kyle and how 790 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:28,160 Speaker 3: they came through in Sonia's trance images. The other, August thirteenth, 791 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,680 Speaker 3: was some of her new experiments that she has done. 792 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,360 Speaker 3: Sonia travels from Brazil a couple of times a year 793 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 3: and attends live events and does a demonstration. I know 794 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 3: in April of twenty twenty four, she'll be alongside Scott Milligan, 795 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,440 Speaker 3: who you know from this show, and also medium Dominic 796 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 3: Bogue and her future travels I always post again at 797 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 3: that store page We Don't Die dot Com. Many people 798 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,399 Speaker 3: come to me, especially parents, to see if Sonia can 799 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,800 Speaker 3: work with them to bring through their special person. Unfortunately, 800 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,800 Speaker 3: she does not work like a medium and doesn't work 801 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,280 Speaker 3: one on one with people. Dear Sonia has never asked 802 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 3: for a penny for her work. So what some of 803 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 3: us did is we created a Patreon account for Sonia 804 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 3: so people who want to give as little as five 805 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,760 Speaker 3: dollars a month can get a copy of every journal 806 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,359 Speaker 3: she's put together with all of her research, and when 807 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 3: there is an experiment she wishes to do, she'll choose 808 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:39,359 Speaker 3: from her Patreon community. You can easily go to Patreon 809 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,279 Speaker 3: dot com, which is pa t r EO N so 810 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,920 Speaker 3: instead of Patron, it's patreon dot com. Click on find 811 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,839 Speaker 3: a Creator that's the search, and then just type in 812 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,719 Speaker 3: Sonia Rinaldi. And of course, don't forget we made that 813 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 3: documentary film about her. You can find it on Amazon Prime. 814 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 3: Just type in Rinaldi Instrumental trans Communication to the other Side. 815 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,120 Speaker 3: Or again, just go to the We Don'tdie dot com page, 816 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,560 Speaker 3: click on the store and you'll find it there. Now, 817 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 3: what was that good news? I hinted about in the 818 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 3: last segment, well last episode, if you'll remember, you heard 819 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,799 Speaker 3: from mom Diane Calderon, whose son Matthew is now in 820 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,160 Speaker 3: the afterlife. Diane didn't have too many bluebirds where she lived, 821 00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,719 Speaker 3: and after Matt's passing, she's gotten a lot of bluebirds. 822 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,280 Speaker 3: Anyone who knows me knows that I feed the birds. 823 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 3: Turned into a bit of a crazy old bird lady. 824 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,920 Speaker 3: But in the four years I've lived here, I haven't 825 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,319 Speaker 3: had a single bluebird come to my feeders. The day 826 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:53,280 Speaker 3: after I aired Diane's episode, for you, guess what happened, 827 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 3: Around a dozen bluebirds showed up at my bird feeders. 828 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,279 Speaker 3: It was weird, wild and wonderful. Could it be just 829 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,239 Speaker 3: a random flock of bluebirds just happened to come by 830 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 3: on this special day after four years of not visiting. 831 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,560 Speaker 3: Certainly that could be. But for me, I took it 832 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:17,200 Speaker 3: as a sign from her son Matthew, that said, Sandra, 833 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,080 Speaker 3: thanks for interviewing my mom. In fact, just when I 834 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,280 Speaker 3: started to air this episode, I looked out my window 835 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,680 Speaker 3: and on the branch closest to my bedroom window, there 836 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:36,080 Speaker 3: was a bluebird just looking at me. There certainly is 837 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 3: more to life than meets the eye, isn't there and 838 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,240 Speaker 3: there's more to us than we know. Remember your loved 839 00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,360 Speaker 3: ones are around, keep talking to them, include them in 840 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 3: your life. Check out Maria's book follow along with some 841 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,719 Speaker 3: of the meditations you never know what could happen. I'm 842 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,040 Speaker 3: Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for listening to Shades 843 00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,680 Speaker 3: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and host to host 844 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 3: am Haironormal Podcast Network. 845 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,719 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 846 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,759 Speaker 1: a and Paranormal podcast Network. Make sure and check out 847 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,040 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 848 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:24,520 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com.