Speaker 1: Hit.
Speaker 2: Everybody, Welcome back to another episode of the Bidding Pros
Speaker 2: NFL podcast. I'm your host Dan Harris. With me, of course,
Speaker 2: is Matt Parole, host of the Daily Juice podcast. You
Speaker 2: can find him on Twitter at Sports Talk Matt. You
Speaker 2: can find me on Twitter at Dan Harris eighty Matt,
Speaker 2: what's up?
Speaker 3: Well, it's week fifteen, Yeah, and we're trying to close
Speaker 3: hard here and two eighty percent over the last two weeks.
Speaker 3: Can't beat it.
Speaker 1: So we're hot. Now can we end the year hot?
Speaker 2: Is the question that's right, And we've got i'll call
Speaker 2: it an outside chance to finish in the money. We're
Speaker 2: probably gonna need another four and one week, maybe even
Speaker 2: a five and oher week, but we're in there now.
Speaker 2: There are two weeks left in the draft Kings Pro
Speaker 2: Pick Them Championship, and we have to take a bye
Speaker 2: in one of the two weeks and we'll talk about it.
Speaker 2: But man, I hate this late I hate this slate.
Speaker 2: I do not have any game that I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: really going to pick. So maybe you feel strongly about it,
Speaker 2: will see, But in my mind, man, if you can
Speaker 2: convince me that this is not the week to take
Speaker 2: a bye, then I will be impressed. But let's get
Speaker 2: into it. We're gonna go through every game on the
Speaker 2: slate as we always do, and again Matt said, we
Speaker 2: went four and one. Last week. We hit on the
Speaker 2: Rams laying five and a half to the Patriots. Again,
Speaker 2: that was a Thursday night one. Matt tweeted out, I
Speaker 2: hope you were following him again at Sports Talk Matt.
Speaker 2: Kudos to Matt who was all over that game last week.
Speaker 2: It was like pott it on the table and to
Speaker 2: the extent he broke a peraltism, which is never ever
Speaker 2: bet on a favorite laying five and a half, but
Speaker 2: we did and it worked out. We also hit on
Speaker 2: the Bucks slaying six and a half to the Vikings,
Speaker 2: the Colts slaying three and a half to the Raiders,
Speaker 2: and the Ravens laying one and a half to the
Speaker 2: Browns in a pretty entertaining game. The only loss we
Speaker 2: had was the Steelers getting two and a half from
Speaker 2: the Bills, which Matt, I don't know you a minute
Speaker 2: left in the first half, I was feeling really good
Speaker 2: about that. Bet. Yeah, I thought that that was gonna
Speaker 2: be one that we're gonna walk away with. And then
Speaker 2: the second half man, the Bills just totally adjusted and
Speaker 2: the Steelers weren't able to do anything about it. So
Speaker 2: four and one whatever. Again, We've got one bye week
Speaker 2: left to go, so we might do it this week,
Speaker 2: we may do next week. We'll have to see. But
Speaker 2: I don't know, Matt. I want to see what you've got,
Speaker 2: So start us off. Let me know, give me a
Speaker 2: pick that you're feeling kind of good about this week.
Speaker 3: All right, So you know, one of the benefits of
Speaker 3: doing these contests is that I'm in a bunch of
Speaker 3: other contests, so I can bring some of the picks
Speaker 3: that I already have locked in or I know that
Speaker 3: we're going to take and those contests and bring it
Speaker 3: to our contest. It's kind of how it's worked out
Speaker 3: where my bets and the contest picks have kind of
Speaker 3: run similarly. So these are three picks that we're going
Speaker 3: to use this week. There's no real particular order for it,
Speaker 3: but we can start with my team because it's my team,
Speaker 3: and I think the world is wrong about where the
Speaker 3: Dolphins are right now. I think the Dolphins are banged up.
Speaker 3: I think it's a rookie quarterback. I'm getting two and
Speaker 3: a half points with the Pageots and a massive bounce
Speaker 3: back spot Patriots, I believe will win this game outright.
Speaker 3: I'm taking the Patriots plus two and a half.
Speaker 2: You know, I like this game, and it was one
Speaker 2: of the few that was on my list of like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I kind of feel this way. I mean, if you
Speaker 2: anytime you're giving me Bill Belichick versus a rookie quarterback,
Speaker 2: I'm always like, yeah, all right, fire that up. The
Speaker 2: Dolphins are just decimated at the end. I mean, mikea
Speaker 2: SICKI did return to practice, but I can't imagine he's
Speaker 2: gonna play. I don't know what's going on with a
Speaker 2: running back situation. I don't think Miles Gaston is gonna
Speaker 2: get to play. Devonte Parker is there, He's not at
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. There's no Jaquim Grant. It's just kind
Speaker 2: of a mess. You've got the Patriots coming off a
Speaker 2: pretty embarrassing loss and a long layoff here where they
Speaker 2: can kind of lick their wounds and get back into it.
Speaker 2: Whether or not they're still mathematically alive for a playoff
Speaker 2: spot doesn't really matter. I think they're gonna come out.
Speaker 2: But Matt, the one thing is I don't really feel
Speaker 2: like I have a great read on this team. I
Speaker 2: feel like you have you know when they're gonna play well,
Speaker 2: you know when they're not. Why do you think they're
Speaker 2: gonna play well here? I mean, is it just that
Speaker 2: you know, buying lows selling high type of thing or what.
Speaker 3: Well, it's that, but it's won the extra time too.
Speaker 3: It's the fact that I think the Patriots defense, much
Speaker 3: like the way that they beat the Chargers, they confuse
Speaker 3: rookie quarterbacks like no end. I mean, they beat the
Speaker 3: Charges forty five nothing two. I don't think two is
Speaker 3: the guy. My biggest fear in this game is that
Speaker 3: Ryan Fitzpatrick gets inserted at halftime and the Patriots lose.
Speaker 3: So if two was in the game for all four quarters,
Speaker 3: if Brian Flores is gonna be this is my guy,
Speaker 3: I'm riding to it to the end. And I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna do what I did in the Denver game where
Speaker 3: Denver totally befuddled him and then they pulled him out.
Speaker 3: I think the same thing happens here. I think he
Speaker 3: doesn't have his weapons. If you look at some of
Speaker 3: the yarded separations for the receivers, the Dolphins are like
Speaker 3: dead last in separation right now, and that's when they're healthy,
Speaker 3: and they're not healthy at all. You got a good
Speaker 3: second over the Patriots. You got Look, anytime you tell
Speaker 3: the Patriots the year is over, this is where they win.
Speaker 1: This is where they rise up.
Speaker 3: And they've already beat in the Dolphins once this year,
Speaker 3: so I know, historically speaking, everyone's going to use the
Speaker 3: stat that I think it's one in four over the
Speaker 3: last five straight up for the Patriots in Miami over
Speaker 3: the last five years, or sorry in December or later,
Speaker 3: over the last five meetings.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: This is a game the Patriots normally lose. But I
Speaker 3: just think this is a game where you've got too
Speaker 3: many injuries from Miami. They can't move the football on
Speaker 3: good defenses, and they rely on their defense to turn
Speaker 3: the football over, but mostly it's with interceptions. As long
Speaker 3: as the Patriots don't fumble the football away, I think
Speaker 3: they find creative ways to move the ball on the Dolphins.
Speaker 3: And I think everyone thinks that the Patriots are done
Speaker 3: and plus two and a half give me the Patriots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's again, it's one of the games
Speaker 2: that I have on my yet. All Right, I kind
Speaker 2: of like it. I'm not totally against it, which is
Speaker 2: surprising because sometimes I'm like, oh, you know, this is
Speaker 2: one where I could roll with and you're like, nah, man,
Speaker 2: I'm on the other side. So that's that's something where
Speaker 2: I think we put in the consensus generally split fifty
Speaker 2: five on Miami, but the contentsus spread is one and
Speaker 2: a half right now, not two and a half. So
Speaker 2: you know, I'm fine with it. I think it's a
Speaker 2: good bounce back spot for the Pats. And again I
Speaker 2: trust Bill Belichick, although Flores is a fine coach, but here, yeah,
Speaker 2: we don't. We don't love to h we don't, especially
Speaker 2: without the weapons. I think it's a decent one.
Speaker 1: I'll start, Oh, wait, so you do have games.
Speaker 2: Oh you just want to go, you can go.
Speaker 1: I don't games, So just what games out?
Speaker 2: You go with a couple, then you start with yours,
Speaker 2: because it is true like I'm essentially forcing myself to
Speaker 2: pick one or two. But you go ahead with a couple,
Speaker 2: and then when you run out, I will throw maybe
Speaker 2: a couple of light leans I have if you haven't
Speaker 2: covered them already.
Speaker 1: No, there's three.
Speaker 3: There's three games that the uncomfortable playing. I think this
Speaker 3: new found Mitchell Trubitsky's a good quarterback thing is hysterical.
Speaker 3: I think this is like fool's gold to the tenth
Speaker 3: degree fools gold. So the Houston Texans are trash. They
Speaker 3: are they are awful, and everyone's like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: could Triubitsky have a chance to start? Could he be
Speaker 3: back next year? This isn't the Vikings are gonna kill
Speaker 3: the Bears this weekend. This is this is going to be.
Speaker 3: I think the Vikings are going to wipe the field
Speaker 3: with Chicago this weekend. And because they got something to
Speaker 3: play for, the Bear's got nothing to play for. And
Speaker 3: the second that you give Tribitsky any love or anything
Speaker 3: of a praise, it's when this dude falls on his face,
Speaker 3: laying three and a half. I don't care Vikings minus
Speaker 3: three and a half over the Bears.
Speaker 2: Big So I had five games Matt, five games where
Speaker 2: I was like, I have a lean on these games.
Speaker 2: I don't love these games, but I have a lean
Speaker 2: on them. And the rest legitimately fell into these are
Speaker 2: toss ups. If Matt has like a strong feeling on them,
Speaker 2: I'll be able to be talked into it. But not
Speaker 2: something where I'm definitely going after and you have picked
Speaker 2: two of the ones where I've had a lean on
Speaker 2: Vikings laying three and a half to the Bears. I
Speaker 2: completely agree. I mean it's I feel like Kirk Cousins
Speaker 2: is sort of this this you know, entity that you
Speaker 2: can solve, that you can be like, No, this is
Speaker 2: a fade Kirk Cousin spot. This is a by Kirk
Speaker 2: Cousins spot. This is more of a fate of the Bears,
Speaker 2: which is what you're saying, which I'm completely fine with.
Speaker 2: But I do think that the Vikings are not a
Speaker 2: terrible football team. I don't think Kirk Cousins is a
Speaker 2: terrible quarterback. It's just much more of when everybody tries
Speaker 2: to buy into him than I'm like no, no, no no,
Speaker 2: or when it looks like he's a world beater, then
Speaker 2: you're like no, no, no, man, you're done for here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I agree. I have the Vikings winning this game big,
Speaker 2: at least I lean that way, So I am good
Speaker 2: with that one. This is shocking to me that I
Speaker 2: had five like lean leans and you're just like coming
Speaker 2: and firing on two of them. So go ahead with
Speaker 2: your third one. If you hit three out of three.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what I'm gonna do, but.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, all right, this is a third and this
Speaker 3: is a numbers play, all right. I don't love this,
Speaker 3: but Dallas Cowboys are catching three and a half points here.
Speaker 3: Dallas is I don't like the Elliott injury, making me
Speaker 3: a little skittish, But I think when you have home
Speaker 3: dogs late in the year, I think you got to
Speaker 3: take a long, hard look at them and kind of
Speaker 3: try to go, Okay, what's the most logical thing that's
Speaker 3: gonna happen. And I think Dallas is in a pretty
Speaker 3: good spot here, catching three and a half points at home,
Speaker 3: and look, San Francisco can run the football, okay. And
Speaker 3: I know people are saying Nick Mullins, and this is
Speaker 3: a team on the road. Why is Dallas a three
Speaker 3: and a half point dog to anybody at home in
Speaker 3: the NFC that's going a losing record like the forty
Speaker 3: nine ers. I'll take the three and a half points
Speaker 3: here and take a three point loss to forty to
Speaker 3: San fran at home and cover on the hook Dallas
Speaker 3: plus three and a half.
Speaker 2: I have been on both sides of this game, Matt, like,
Speaker 2: I can't get a feel for it. It strikes me
Speaker 2: as Dallas is okay so long as they're playing against
Speaker 2: a crappy defense. Right, if they're playing against a decent defense,
Speaker 2: I don't trust that they're able to move the ball.
Speaker 2: The line is completely beat up. Andy Dalton is just
Speaker 2: nothing whatsoever. At the same time, San Francisco is nothing
Speaker 2: to write home about, as we saw the What worries
Speaker 2: me a little bit is the fact that we've seen
Speaker 2: San Francisco look terrible and then come out the following
Speaker 2: week and look pretty decent. Now they've got some injuries here,
Speaker 2: They've got no Deebo Samuel, they may have no Rheem
Speaker 2: Mostert here. But I don't know, man, I get it.
Speaker 2: This is a week of home dogs, by the way, right,
Speaker 2: there are a ton of home dogs this week.
Speaker 3: It's there's only one game in the entire on the
Speaker 3: whole slate with two teams with winning records. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you've got a lot of short favorites on the road. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a lot of home dogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I don't I'll say this one. I don't
Speaker 2: even have a mild lean on it, So I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't even think I would be tucked into the
Speaker 2: backing Andy Dog. I mean, you know, getting the hook
Speaker 2: is fine. The consensus line right now is three. So
Speaker 2: getting the hook certainly is meaningful, especially at home. But
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I feel like I bet against
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers when I shouldn't. So it's something
Speaker 2: where i'd put it to the side and like it
Speaker 2: would be like, all right, whatever. I don't have a
Speaker 2: strong feeling on it, So if we run out of picks,
Speaker 2: I'd be happy to go with it. But in the meantime,
Speaker 2: I think let's put it to the side for now.
Speaker 2: Let me list the couple of games that you're probably
Speaker 2: gonna hate but that I have mild leans on. Okay,
Speaker 2: this one, to me, Matt, seems like the most public
Speaker 2: play to the point where after this past week, the
Speaker 2: line seems like it is begging you, begging you, begging
Speaker 2: you to take the Browns against the Giants four and
Speaker 2: a half. The Browns like four and a half to
Speaker 2: the Giants. I get that the Browns are beat up
Speaker 2: on defense. I get the fact that they just play
Speaker 2: the game that they pour their heart and soul into
Speaker 2: and lost, and so they're a little beat up. The Giants, meanwhile,
Speaker 2: coming off a terrible loss last week. But again, I
Speaker 2: don't know if Daniel Jones is gonna play. If he does,
Speaker 2: it might even be better because he's so limited right
Speaker 2: now with the hamstring and the ankle. The Giants defense
Speaker 2: is okay. The Browns have to keep winning though here
Speaker 2: to remain in the playoffs. I mean, they're gonna make
Speaker 2: the playoffs, but to even have a chance at the division.
Speaker 2: With how the Steelers are looking, it just feels like
Speaker 2: the Browns are gonna you know, at four and a half,
Speaker 2: the contentus lines up to six. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: feel like the Browns, but it feels like a public
Speaker 2: play to me. So what do you think of that?
Speaker 1: Well, it's a public play.
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you the bag men showed up today
Speaker 3: in Vegas for the Browns. The Browns number rocketed here
Speaker 3: in Vegas four to six.
Speaker 1: Big big movement.
Speaker 3: Why, bag bag bags of money showed up on the
Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns. So if you want to go with the
Speaker 3: professionals as to what they think is going to happen
Speaker 3: where the large wagers are coming in, it's coming in
Speaker 3: on Cleveland. I don't mind this play at all, and
Speaker 3: I like that Giants defense up to a point. But
Speaker 3: I think Kevin Stefanski now has got enough weapons that
Speaker 3: he has that offense humming against anybody. You take away
Speaker 3: the pass, fine, we'll run down your throat. You want
Speaker 3: stack the line, great, Baker's going over the top, and
Speaker 3: he's got guys to pass the football too. I just
Speaker 3: think this team for the Browns is playing really well late.
Speaker 3: I think Stefanski is either the finalist or the coach
Speaker 3: of the Year in the NFL. So I've got no
Speaker 3: problem back in the Browns here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been so impressed with Stefanski and I have
Speaker 2: he was. I have some shares of Coach of the
Speaker 2: Year on him. It was twenty to one. Again, not
Speaker 2: coach of the year is kind of a fun bet,
Speaker 2: by the way, for futures bet, and maybe we'll talk
Speaker 2: about that next year when we get into it about
Speaker 2: the type of things that you can look at. But
Speaker 2: he really has impressed me, even if I wasn't that
Speaker 2: impressed with the higher Another thing here, which I mean
Speaker 2: it's not a huge deal in this type of game
Speaker 2: because the Browns don't have the Odell Beckham junior white
Speaker 2: you know, outside wide receiver at this point. But James
Speaker 2: Bradbury is I don't I don't remember if he actually
Speaker 2: tested positive or close contact. He's a close conduct, but
Speaker 2: I believe he's been ruled out for this game because
Speaker 2: even if you're on the list, you need to test
Speaker 2: negative for five days and they're not gonna be an
Speaker 2: effort or something like that. So he's out. So I
Speaker 2: mean that makes it easier probably for Richard Higgins, which
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter, but he's played great, He's had a
Speaker 2: great season this year, and losing him on that on
Speaker 2: the defensive backs, that's that's a tough loss for that team.
Speaker 2: So for me at four and a half, it feels public.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I I just sometimes I also
Speaker 2: feel like, and again maybe it's not that public given
Speaker 2: what you're saying, but to me, it just also kind
Speaker 2: of feels like it's okay to be public sometimes everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a no.
Speaker 3: I think actually the public will sit, will shie away
Speaker 3: from this game simply because I think there's some real
Speaker 3: public people that love the Giants.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Giants have been a pretty popular public play
Speaker 3: because I mean, when you watch their defense, I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people if you're gonna bet on somebody.
Speaker 3: It's Washington and the New York Giants and the two
Speaker 3: best teams you know when you watch them at least
Speaker 3: from week to week, and they've been cashing tickets. I
Speaker 3: mean that they won four games in a row and
Speaker 3: people were coming in them with home you know, with
Speaker 3: with with you know, being.
Speaker 1: Plus money dogs.
Speaker 3: And so there are some people in the public that
Speaker 3: do like the Giants and Daniel Jones. And it's just
Speaker 3: a New York football team too, so you get a
Speaker 3: more high, high profile, bigger market aside to it. So
Speaker 3: in Cleveland is kind of people kind of laugh at them,
Speaker 3: right that they expected Baker to fall in his face
Speaker 3: on Monday Night football and they expected, you know that
Speaker 3: the Browns not to rise up into that moment and
Speaker 3: they put forty two points up on the on the
Speaker 3: you know, Baltimore Ravens. So I'm I'm fine with back
Speaker 3: in the Browns there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I really like this team, man, I really do like.
Speaker 2: Their running game is great. I think Baker's playing really
Speaker 2: really at a high level right now. It's They're fun
Speaker 2: to watch. So yeah, all right, I'm good with that.
Speaker 2: All right, So there's one I have no idea how
Speaker 2: you're gonna feel about this one, Matt, I really don't,
Speaker 2: because you are a noted Bills hater, but you will
Speaker 2: back them at the right.
Speaker 3: Well, I've already teased this game, so I'm already invested.
Speaker 3: So you're taken the Bills. I'm not gonna hate it.
Speaker 2: I actually wasn't. I was going to take the Broncos
Speaker 2: half boy in Denver. Now I know That's why I
Speaker 2: thought you were gonna hate it necessarily. So what if
Speaker 2: you teased it to to what I have?
Speaker 1: Pick?
Speaker 2: Oh, to a pick?
Speaker 3: I got it at six, brought the Packers down to two. Okay,
Speaker 3: I do like that Saturday two leg teaser coming down.
Speaker 3: I'm totally ripping this off from from Austin Gale from
Speaker 3: Profile Football Focus, who gave me, who gave me on
Speaker 3: the air, who gave me that teaser? And I loved
Speaker 3: it and I tailed it, so I can't. I can't
Speaker 3: take it as my own, but I have bet it
Speaker 3: that's all right to taking the Bills to a pick
Speaker 3: and the and the Packers down to minus two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do. I do think that the Bills
Speaker 2: are going to win this game. But in Denver, man,
Speaker 2: it is something where six and a half again, I'd
Speaker 2: like it, of course if it was at seven. But
Speaker 2: I do feel like, as much as you know, I
Speaker 2: don't like Drew Locke and I don't like Denver, and
Speaker 2: they're so injured and the Bills are playing at such
Speaker 2: a high level. Again, the one thing I feel like,
Speaker 2: even now, even we could say and you might even
Speaker 2: be able to say it in that Pittsburgh game itself,
Speaker 2: is that he's inconsistent and you don't know how it's
Speaker 2: gonna come out. John Brown is out for this game, which, again.
Speaker 1: You know, I hate Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm the captain of the Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: I can't stay. So I'm with you and everything you're saying,
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The only thing I'm concerned about is like, what does
Speaker 3: Denver have going for it right now? Maybe what's the motivation?
Speaker 3: What's the angle? Who's playing for?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: I mean, what are they getting up for? I mean,
Speaker 3: Buffalo is playing for everything right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's true. I mean, if you want to
Speaker 2: look at something, it is a nationally televised primetime game.
Speaker 2: I mean, well I guess not primetime, right, is it
Speaker 2: four thirty or what the on the East Coast, but
Speaker 2: it's a nationally televised game that they're going to be
Speaker 2: playing a good a very good team at home. Chance
Speaker 2: to show something. And again I think you know Buffalo
Speaker 2: is vulnerable. The Steelers couldn't take advantage of it because
Speaker 2: their offensive line can't get any push, but they're very
Speaker 2: vulnerable against the run. And I think you're going to
Speaker 2: see a lot of Melvin Gordon, who is playing well
Speaker 2: and now is not going to be suspended because the
Speaker 2: hearing was pushed off the next week. Their defense isn't
Speaker 2: that great, but again, they have enough weapons to get
Speaker 2: by on the passing game. No offense obviously didn't play
Speaker 2: less or he played and then was removed because of
Speaker 2: the illness Jerry Dudy's good tim Patrick is really one
Speaker 2: of the more underrated players right now in the NFL.
Speaker 2: So it strikes me as a backdoor cover sort of game.
Speaker 2: And again I can't stress enough I don't love this
Speaker 2: game like ex then I liked in the games. You know,
Speaker 2: we sort of picked them off, but it strikes me
Speaker 2: as a backdoor cover. I do think the Bills are
Speaker 2: going to win, so I do like your teaser. I
Speaker 2: may actually trail that as well, so.
Speaker 1: That it's a good teaser.
Speaker 2: It's a good tea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's one day.
Speaker 3: It's Saturday, so it gives you something on the Saturdays,
Speaker 3: and it lets me kind of ignore, not really ignore.
Speaker 3: But I got my I got a lot of money
Speaker 3: going on this Saturday for college football games, so I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be much more invested in college So just tease
Speaker 3: those two games and hopefully just cash it and walk away.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, so let's put that game to
Speaker 2: the side and let me get to my last one,
Speaker 2: which I can't imagine you're gonna be okay with this,
Speaker 2: but because of the number. But the Rams laying sixteen
Speaker 2: and a half to the Jets in LA, the Rams
Speaker 2: are good. We have known this now, Matt for a while.
Speaker 2: And you bet them, kudos to you. What did you
Speaker 2: bet them to win the division?
Speaker 3: Or I bet that's big to win the West when
Speaker 3: they are one game behind Seattle at plus two to
Speaker 3: sixty five.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, they're a legitimate team. Kudos to you. Know,
Speaker 2: I thought when Wade Phillips left on the defense, but
Speaker 2: Staley has really done a good job. Their defense is legitimate,
Speaker 2: their offense is good enough, and cam Akers is good.
Speaker 2: The Jets have an okay run defense actually, but I
Speaker 2: think Acres will be good enough. And if not, then
Speaker 2: I think golf that Jets don't get pressure. That's what
Speaker 2: messes up with Goff. I think he's gonna be able
Speaker 2: to pick them apart with Woods and Cup and the
Speaker 2: Jets are so abysmal that like a normal number where
Speaker 2: you look at sixteen and a half points, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: value on the Jets.
Speaker 1: Right again on the rams. It's value on the rams. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm with you if if you want to lay this,
Speaker 1: I'm okay.
Speaker 3: I I've seen people that I respect say that they
Speaker 3: would lay this number up to thirty that they wouldn't
Speaker 3: and they aren't even not even kidding, Like they're legitimately
Speaker 3: like they're gonna run the ball and they're going to
Speaker 3: just run it and run it and run it and
Speaker 3: run it. And the game's gonna be a where very
Speaker 3: quickly the Jets are not going to score anything. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they'll probably turn the ball over two or three
Speaker 3: times and it's gonna be like a thirty five nothing win.
Speaker 2: Right, It's very difficult. I mean again, and you saw Seattle,
Speaker 2: Seattle like lives to play one score games like they
Speaker 2: do whatever they can to Seattle. You know, won that
Speaker 2: game so ridiculously easy. I the Rams have. You know,
Speaker 2: there's blood in the water right now. They are. They
Speaker 2: are really rolling. They're gonna trying to put away that division.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it really strikes me as just
Speaker 2: a game where they're gonna win by like twenty five points.
Speaker 3: I don't think you can put a line high enough
Speaker 3: to be quite honest, we're I mean, like the whole deal.
Speaker 3: I talk about this on the Daily Juice a lot,
Speaker 3: but like, what is a line. A line is a
Speaker 3: number that the book makers put up so the professionals
Speaker 3: will take the dog, right, That's what a line is.
Speaker 1: That's all it ask.
Speaker 3: Okay, they're trying to set a number there because the
Speaker 3: publics can take a favorite all ways, they all take
Speaker 3: the favorite. So how high can I put the number
Speaker 3: up so we get the money coming in on the
Speaker 3: other side. And I don't know if they can set
Speaker 3: a number high enough to get the pros to come in.
Speaker 2: Here on the Jets, yeah, and it's already moving up.
Speaker 2: It's already at seventeen and a half. Just realistically, the
Speaker 2: Jets are one of these teams that you realistically cannot
Speaker 2: back no matter what under any circumstances. And yeah, occasionally
Speaker 2: they cover, like and they showed up against the Raiders
Speaker 2: that time where we had the Raiders Lenks having and
Speaker 2: a half points. But with this the defense is too
Speaker 2: strong I think for the Rams. Ye, all right, we'll
Speaker 2: get it there, let's go through. Then that's it for me.
Speaker 2: I'm done. Do you have any others that you have
Speaker 2: leans on or you want to just turn that?
Speaker 1: Not really?
Speaker 3: I mean I think I have gone back and forth.
Speaker 3: I text you before. I don't want to use it.
Speaker 3: I'm just making this a proclamation. It's going to be
Speaker 3: a bet that I'm making. But I'm taking the Saints
Speaker 3: to beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so let's talk about that a little bit,
Speaker 2: you like. So the Saints are what getting two and
Speaker 2: a half from the Chiefs in casey right.
Speaker 3: Which is an awful line, by the way, which is
Speaker 3: not which I'm really mad at DraftKings are putting that
Speaker 3: line there. That's a joke, cause that line's gonna close
Speaker 3: at three and a half, right, So they put it
Speaker 3: at two and a half thinking the money would come
Speaker 3: the other way.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: They thought that Drew Brees was playing and thus everyone
Speaker 3: would come crashing in on the Saints.
Speaker 1: So that's why they put it at two and a half.
Speaker 3: With this line under three, it's not playable for us
Speaker 3: because of that reason. But yeah, I look, I think
Speaker 3: this Saints team is going to put together a type
Speaker 3: of performance that the Patriots had a couple of weeks
Speaker 3: ago against the Chargers, where everybody was like, oh, oh,
Speaker 3: they're not gonna be able to score, they can't do anything,
Speaker 3: and then Sean Payton comes up with a crazy game
Speaker 3: plan that takes advantages and exploits everything with the Casey's
Speaker 3: Chief defense can't do. And they're coming off of an
Speaker 3: embarrassing loss to the Eagles, and the Chiefs are just
Speaker 3: treading water. I mean they much like this, like the
Speaker 3: Steelers will benefit from a loss here before they go
Speaker 3: to the postseason. They need to figure things out and
Speaker 3: they need to kind of get back and write the
Speaker 3: ship a little bit, because I think everything is trending
Speaker 3: in the wrong direction for the Chiefs right now and
Speaker 3: they don't have a killer instinct.
Speaker 1: They're bored.
Speaker 3: They're not playing tight or tough games for four quarters,
Speaker 3: and I think that could really burn them. In the playoffs,
Speaker 3: come a fourth quarter team that may be able to
Speaker 3: rise up and come back on them and knock them out.
Speaker 3: So I think they lose this game to the States
Speaker 3: on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, I mean we talked about it. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I can get there. I mean I with
Speaker 2: two and a half, I can't get there. I know, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we talked about it, and the consensus line right now
Speaker 2: is at three. I like where your head is at
Speaker 2: with it. And we talk about all the time there
Speaker 2: is something missing with the Chiefs, right, I mean even
Speaker 2: this last game against the Dolphins, and you actually in
Speaker 2: one of the other contests, you had the Chiefs right
Speaker 2: over the Dolphins. What was it seven seven and a half?
Speaker 1: Uh seven?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, Yeah, so they they could have put that
Speaker 2: game away pretty easily.
Speaker 3: And I mean they threw three interceptions in that football
Speaker 3: game and they still could have covered and they didn't.
Speaker 3: I know, I mean I was just like, I mean
Speaker 3: that's why two and the Dolphins they did nothing, and
Speaker 3: that with all those turnovers, they should have won that game.
Speaker 1: With all the turnovers, I mean, Chiefs.
Speaker 3: Were literally handing them the football game and they couldn't
Speaker 3: take it if they do that with the Saints.
Speaker 1: The Saints are taking it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's you're making good points. We're
Speaker 2: not gonna put in the contest. But I am thinking
Speaker 2: about how I will bet it, generally speaking, And yeah,
Speaker 2: I was surprised that it was two and a half,
Speaker 2: especially after the Saints lost to the Eagles. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's an interesting it's interesting. I'll take a closer look.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna watch the I'm gonna wait and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna watch the public bet against it, and I'll take
Speaker 3: I'll sprinkle on the money line, but I'll take as
Speaker 3: many points as you want to give me here on
Speaker 3: the Saints, and I'm hoping to get over three, three
Speaker 3: and a half to four, whatever it might be. And
Speaker 3: then you know, look, if it got really stupid, it
Speaker 3: won't get there. But it ever got to like six,
Speaker 3: then fine, I would tease it down and I would
Speaker 3: take the Chiefs. But I think this is a game
Speaker 3: where you may need s Sir Patrick Mahomes magic coming
Speaker 3: back late, trying to drive this team down the field
Speaker 3: to win a football game, and I don't know if
Speaker 3: you can do that against the Saints.
Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, Well, I like where your head is at.
Speaker 2: I don't have you know, the intestinal fortitude depend against
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes at this moment, but I get it. All right,
Speaker 2: Let's get to some of the other games here. What
Speaker 2: do you think about the Packers are laying eight and
Speaker 2: a half to the Panthers in Green Bay. I know
Speaker 2: you accuse it down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Saturday game. I don't like the number being over
Speaker 3: seven there. I think they win the football game. I
Speaker 3: think they'll win it by seven. It's it's just it's
Speaker 3: a number for me. I don't like that number. I
Speaker 3: don't think it's a blowout victory. But I do think
Speaker 3: they win the game by seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I you know, I it's not Bridgewater
Speaker 2: generally speaking. If you're giving Bridgewater a big line, I'm
Speaker 2: always I always like him as the possibility to cover.
Speaker 2: But I'm not backing the Panthers.
Speaker 3: No, He's Teddy covers man, It's what he does.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: He just he covers big lines like crazy because he
Speaker 3: throws the football around.
Speaker 1: But they're not.
Speaker 3: I mean, DJ Moore is out of this game now
Speaker 3: in Oh he is in.
Speaker 2: He's in. He's okay the team to play, So that
Speaker 2: that's also something where that's bi. Yeah, yeah, he's back,
Speaker 2: so he's gonna be in the game. But I still
Speaker 2: there's no Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 1: He's out.
Speaker 2: You know, Mike Davi has been a fine film. But
Speaker 2: the problem with the Packers is I feel like the
Speaker 2: Packers could just as easily win a game by forty
Speaker 2: as they could keep it really close at this point, right,
Speaker 2: So it's hard ever for me to basically be like, well,
Speaker 2: there's value. You know, Teddy's gonna cover, because I really
Speaker 2: just I don't have a good sense of when Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers is just gonna be like, this is kind of
Speaker 2: an f you game I'm putting up. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: throwing five touchdo busses, so I'd leave it alone. How
Speaker 2: do you feel about the Bucks laying five and a
Speaker 2: half to the Falcons in Atlanta? It's your magic paralism,
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you prefer the Falcons or
Speaker 2: if you just don't like either side.
Speaker 1: It's a no play.
Speaker 3: But I mean it's it's a game where the paral
Speaker 3: two team teaser that will happen on Sunday is eyeballing
Speaker 3: the Bucks big time if it gets to six, and
Speaker 3: I can tease it down. I will use it in
Speaker 3: a teaser. I think the Bucks will win the football game.
Speaker 3: I think the Atlanta Love is gonna calm down a
Speaker 3: little bit this week. But I mean, you know, I
Speaker 3: gotta see injuries. You know, Julio's playing, right.
Speaker 2: He's been so out. I think he hasn't been declared out,
Speaker 2: but the coach, you know, they said basically earlier in
Speaker 2: the week that he is quote week to week and
Speaker 2: when you're weak to week in week fifteen, and he's
Speaker 2: not practicing, So I bet he's going to be out,
Speaker 2: and I think you can bet it that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if he's out, I think that I like if.
Speaker 3: I just like the Bucks to win the football game.
Speaker 3: But there is definitely something wrong with the Bucks. Yes,
Speaker 3: and their offense is a is a problem. I think,
Speaker 3: you know, much like what I thought was going to happen.
Speaker 3: I thought they'd make the playoffs as a wild card team.
Speaker 3: I bet them to win ten games. I think they'll
Speaker 3: win ten games. They've got eight need two more wins.
Speaker 3: You beat the Falcons twice and you got the ten
Speaker 3: wins you need. They got the Lions next week as well,
Speaker 3: and I just think that this But when you look
Speaker 3: at how they scored. They got a lot of really
Speaker 3: good breaks in that football game last week that let
Speaker 3: it become a blowout. Yep, it wasn't so much of
Speaker 3: their offense, you know, going up there and throw up
Speaker 3: a big number. I mean that Gronk pass interference call
Speaker 3: at the end of the half. Yeah, I mean when
Speaker 3: have you seen that thing get called? Yeah, Like, nobody
Speaker 3: gets that call, and they got it for you know,
Speaker 3: score late before half and whatnot. So I'm still not
Speaker 3: sold that this team actually likes playing in this offense
Speaker 3: for Bruce arians, but I am comfortable hearing them to
Speaker 3: win the football game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. I don't And again,
Speaker 2: the Falcons are decent. You know, their defense is decent.
Speaker 2: They've been playing better over the last several weeks. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm with you. It just kind of a stay away
Speaker 2: from me. What about the Titans laying ten and a
Speaker 2: half to the Lions in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: It's just too much.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, ten and a half for this
Speaker 3: Titans team is just like, what, like, I just can't
Speaker 3: do it. I think they win the game, obviously, And
Speaker 3: this is another game that I may look to teas
Speaker 3: as well. If I can get that thing down, you know,
Speaker 3: if I get it down closer to three, I'll be
Speaker 3: more comfortable teasing it and taking the Titans.
Speaker 1: But ye, I mean Stafford's playing right, Nope, he's out
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Nope, he's not not either one, not either one.
Speaker 1: We just don't know.
Speaker 2: I am. When I'm considering it from a betting perspective
Speaker 2: and from a fantasy perspective, I'm assuming he's out. He
Speaker 2: hasn't practiced this week. They're going nowhere, he's banged up.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be Chase Daniel.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, then maybe I would consider it, but
Speaker 3: it's still double digits, so it's still it's still a lot.
Speaker 3: But I mean again, this would be definitely if it is.
Speaker 3: If Stafford's out, I'll tease this for sure, this will
Speaker 3: be part of my teaser.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is one. Realistically, I don't love it
Speaker 2: or anything like that. But I'm actually, well, I don't
Speaker 2: love it. If I had to pick a side, it
Speaker 2: probably would be the Tits. I mean, just you saw
Speaker 2: what they did. Derek Henry's gonna run for two hundred
Speaker 2: yards in this come and it's just gonna They're gonna
Speaker 2: be able to do whatever they want to do offensively,
Speaker 2: and it's just a matter off. If Stafford is in
Speaker 2: then I can see sort of the you know, Stafford
Speaker 2: manages to have the back door covers and keep things close.
Speaker 2: If it's Chase Daniel who barely throws the ball past
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, I don't know. I'd almost feel
Speaker 2: okay with them laying even the ten and a half.
Speaker 2: It's a big number. It's a big number, but I
Speaker 2: think i'd actually probably feel okay with it if it
Speaker 2: were Daniel. But anyway, let's go to the next one.
Speaker 2: Colts link seven and a half to the Texans in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3: All right, so we know the Texans are done right
Speaker 3: and after last week that they're pretty much toast.
Speaker 1: Yep, the Colts will have a monster victory.
Speaker 3: I'm just a little concerned that they start believing their
Speaker 3: own press clippings in this game. And it's a divisional game,
Speaker 3: so over seven and a half is over sevens wide
Speaker 3: didn't like it, but I do think the Colts are
Speaker 3: going to beat the Texans here, and I do think
Speaker 3: I think it's it's a quick game. Run the football,
Speaker 3: get out of there with a win, don't worry about
Speaker 3: the margin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. It's not a game that
Speaker 2: I want to go near. And again, we saw two
Speaker 2: weeks ago where we wound up being on the right
Speaker 2: side even though we run on the right side, which
Speaker 2: you knew because you didn't like that game. I talked
Speaker 2: into it and then we went with Then we won, yay,
Speaker 2: even though we were clearly the wrong side. I do
Speaker 2: think that the Texans are going to be able to
Speaker 2: keep this one close. I think the Colts are going
Speaker 2: to win for sure, But I do think the Texans
Speaker 2: over a touchdown. I just can't because Watson. The Colts
Speaker 2: defense is not strong enough to prevent Deshaun Watson from
Speaker 2: doing Deshaun Watson things, you know, especially he's got perhaps
Speaker 2: Brandon Cook's back, which it looks like he might, so
Speaker 2: it's a stay away from me. I agree. This one's
Speaker 2: interesting though, Matt. How do you feel about Washington getting
Speaker 2: five and a half from the Seahawks in Washington?
Speaker 1: Alex Smith is out right.
Speaker 2: We don't know. But if Alex Smith is out I
Speaker 2: think about it both ways, mad because I do kind
Speaker 2: of have pretty different feelings on the game depending on
Speaker 2: who's that quarterback. If Alex Smith is in, I kind
Speaker 2: of like Washington. If he's not, I kind of like Seattle.
Speaker 1: I know it's five and a half, but you know,
Speaker 1: is Gibson playing.
Speaker 2: No, Gibson's almost certainly not gonna play.
Speaker 3: So if Gibson and Smith are out, yes, the other side,
Speaker 3: I'm totally comfortable taking the sealess, totally comfortable, So.
Speaker 2: I might leave that one then on the side to
Speaker 2: say that one's going in if and I think that's
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. Smith may play. He may play at
Speaker 2: this point because he's sort of trending up and everything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: But that what's make them in the first half too.
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't know he was numbers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: his numbers in the first half are horrible. In the
Speaker 3: second half, he like, I don't know what happens, but
Speaker 3: he just he just starts playing like Joe Montana on
Speaker 3: the second half.
Speaker 1: He's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I love Alex. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: this whole story is amazing, and I've actually always liked him.
Speaker 2: I've always thought he was kind of an underrated QB.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is this is one where if it
Speaker 2: is Haskins, and I feel pretty confident Gibson's out. But
Speaker 2: if it's if it's Haskins and there's no Gibson, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this just strikes you. The defense is legitimate for Washington
Speaker 2: without question. But with that offense, even though it's a paratism,
Speaker 2: I would feel okay.
Speaker 1: With doing it. Yeah, it's I don't like it.
Speaker 3: I don't like playing it, But given the circumstances, I
Speaker 3: think the line would be much different if Alex Smith
Speaker 3: gets ruled out.
Speaker 1: I don't think that line's five and a half. I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna go over seven most right now.
Speaker 2: It's steady at five and a half. That's where it is,
Speaker 2: and it's basically on the bed anal lizer. It's split
Speaker 2: down the middle, which I think it's fair. I think
Speaker 2: five and a half at this point, assuming that Smith
Speaker 2: does play, that's a pretty fair line.
Speaker 3: That well, yeah, because the defense for Seattle is awful.
Speaker 2: Right well, it's Flay. It's playing a little better of late.
Speaker 2: It's playing a little better of late now that you
Speaker 2: know Adams is back healthy. It's playing a little better.
Speaker 2: But I agree, it's not it's not great and Washington.
Speaker 2: I mean the thing about Russell Wilson right now, who
Speaker 2: you know is one of the best quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, he's taking a ton of sacks
Speaker 2: at this point. He's making some poor decisions at time,
Speaker 2: which is like the anti Russell Wilson. If you're gonna
Speaker 2: give me that defense and the pressure they're going to
Speaker 2: get on Wilson, you know, it's a little Carson Wentzy
Speaker 2: in the way he's like holding the ball way too long,
Speaker 2: way too long, and then eventually he's just sacked. Then
Speaker 2: you know, it's something where I think they might be
Speaker 2: able to keep the ball close, but again they game close.
Speaker 2: But again, if it's Dwayne Haskins, forget it, Like I'm
Speaker 2: just not going anywhere near. How about the Ravens length
Speaker 2: thirteen and a half to the Jaguars in Baltimore.
Speaker 3: I just talk about letdown spot, right, I mean, just
Speaker 3: you're you're asking for the Jags to come out and
Speaker 3: cover that line, and that is just a perfect there is.
Speaker 3: Just if you want to talk about the one double
Speaker 3: digit line where I'm comfortable taking the thirteen and a half,
Speaker 3: it's Jacksonville. I would be comfortable taking that plus thirteen.
Speaker 3: If you want a big dog on the card. There's
Speaker 3: your big dog on the card.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what, I'm gonna put that as an
Speaker 2: maybe actually, just because again, I as you know, Gardner
Speaker 2: Minshew is a fun guy. But if it were Glennon
Speaker 2: then I would be like, no, it doesn't matter. I
Speaker 2: don't care. Like I'm fine with the Ravens. It doesn't
Speaker 2: really matter me. Now they have up, by the way,
Speaker 2: all these COVID issues where Hollywood Brown and Miles Boyk
Speaker 2: and are on the COVID list. My understanding is that
Speaker 2: they're just close contacts and they were designated as such
Speaker 2: early enough that they are if they do test negative,
Speaker 2: they are going to play on Sunday, And to the
Speaker 2: extent that makes a difference, obviously doesn't really matter. The
Speaker 2: Jaguars are completely vulnerable to the tight end. It's going
Speaker 2: to be a huge game for Mark Andrews. But I
Speaker 2: think Minshew is going to be able to put up points, man,
Speaker 2: because he's just gonna go nuts and run around like
Speaker 2: a maniac and be able to sort of keep it close.
Speaker 2: He give me thirteen and a half.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a back door special, Yes, just a back
Speaker 3: door special.
Speaker 2: It we'll put it as maybe. Okay, let's get to
Speaker 2: this one, Matt is really interesting. I've been on both
Speaker 2: sides of this game as I've worked through it, and
Speaker 2: I've kind of dug into it for fantasy purposes. Cardinals
Speaker 2: lank six and a half to the Eagles in Arizona.
Speaker 3: This is a really every week there's a game I hate.
Speaker 3: This is the game that I hate because everything screams
Speaker 3: Cardinals here to me. You're talking about start number two
Speaker 3: for a rookie. You've got tape now on Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3: You know what he looks to do. You know, he
Speaker 3: doesn't throw the ball all that well down the field,
Speaker 3: but he likes to get you into passing situations and
Speaker 3: then run and pick up the first down. Cardinals defense
Speaker 3: is athletic Buddha Baker and company. They can run, They're fast,
Speaker 3: they can run you down. You can run the ball
Speaker 3: on them with a big, physical offensive line. Eagles don't
Speaker 3: have that. You have to look at the receivers or
Speaker 3: the Eagles. They're okay, Miles Sanders in a monster game,
Speaker 3: you assume that the Cardinals are going to stack up
Speaker 3: to stop the run and not let him have a
Speaker 3: big game run in the football and put it all
Speaker 3: on Jalen Hurts his shoulders. On the other side, you
Speaker 3: got a team and that you got an offense that
Speaker 3: has not looked great over the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: But nice win on the road against the Giants last week,
Speaker 3: and Kyler Murray ran a bit more than I thought
Speaker 3: he was go I'm going to picked up a couple
Speaker 3: of first downs. I mean, this screams Cardinals. But I
Speaker 3: feel like it's too public.
Speaker 2: I don't have it. I don't have the feel for it.
Speaker 2: I really don't. I mean, I like, I think Maray
Speaker 2: looks a little healthier lately, Like right, he does, he
Speaker 2: was running a little bit more. I think the Eagles
Speaker 2: are so decimated on the events. I think it's going
Speaker 2: to be an absolutely monstrous DeAndre Hopkins game. I think
Speaker 2: they're going to be able to score. I don't have
Speaker 2: a sense yet about Jalen Hurts and what they're going
Speaker 2: to be able to do to you know, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: now we've seen him, now we know what this is.
Speaker 2: They designed a ton of runs form, but he's incredibly athletic.
Speaker 2: When he gets out of the pocket and things sort
Speaker 2: of start breaking down. Receivers have a way of getting open,
Speaker 2: which is good because the receivers for the Eagles are
Speaker 2: not particularly fast, and so you need something to be
Speaker 2: able to get them separation. So just a game where
Speaker 2: I at one point I talk myself into the Cardinals,
Speaker 2: another point, I talk myself into the Eagles, which means
Speaker 2: I'm talking myself out of the game because I just
Speaker 2: don't have a good sense of it. So I think
Speaker 2: sort of, I feel like you were if there's a
Speaker 2: game where I was just like, I've gotten nothing on
Speaker 2: this game. It's not a game that I really want to touch.
Speaker 3: So Doug Peterson's nineteen and three right or something stupid
Speaker 3: like that, with backup quarterbacks and not having Carson Wentz
Speaker 3: as the starter, like, it's just he's a much better coach.
Speaker 3: He calls a better game, the guys respond better, So
Speaker 3: there's something to that. I think they hated Carson Wentz.
Speaker 3: I think they absolutely hate that guy's guts, and so
Speaker 3: they're playing hard for Jalen Hurts, and I think there's
Speaker 3: something to be said for that. But cross country on
Speaker 3: the road, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I gun to my head, I'm
Speaker 1: taking the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: I just I can't tell if Hurts was sort of
Speaker 2: a novelty or whether or not he's going to be
Speaker 2: able to have this sustain so for fantasy purposes, as
Speaker 2: you'll see, like, I think he's a guy you can
Speaker 2: probably rely on because I think he's gonna do enough
Speaker 2: of his legs to get out there, whether or not
Speaker 2: they're gonna be enough to hang with the Cardinals, who
Speaker 2: I think are probably gonna play better offensively given the
Speaker 2: injuries to the Eagles and given the fact that Kyler
Speaker 2: Murray is generally getting healthier. It's just it's too tough
Speaker 2: for me. It's a stay away last one Steelers laying
Speaker 2: twelve and a half to the Bengals in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: You know this is.
Speaker 3: I the line just is too heavy for me with
Speaker 3: this Steelers team right now, just because of where Ben
Speaker 3: is and what the Steelers have looked like. I mean,
Speaker 3: they couldn't move the football the way that they should
Speaker 3: have against the Bills. I think something's wrong with Pittsburgh
Speaker 3: to be quite honest, if I had, if I had
Speaker 3: to bet, I'd take the points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I despise this game as well. There is something
Speaker 2: wrong with the Steelers for sure. I mean they can't
Speaker 2: they can't run the ball, but part of that is
Speaker 2: the fact that they've absolutely their offensive line gets zero push. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they can't. Ben is desperate to not get sacked, so
Speaker 2: that every throat.
Speaker 1: Do you think he's hurt?
Speaker 2: I think that Ben how old is Ben thirty eight thirty?
Speaker 2: However old Ben is? Ben is old and has taken
Speaker 2: a beating in his whole life. So I don't think
Speaker 2: he's one hundred percent. I think he's good enough to
Speaker 2: get out there, but I think that they are desperate
Speaker 2: to protect him and what they're.
Speaker 3: Doing with the one thing that it was difference between
Speaker 3: Roethlisberger and Brady. Brady didn't lose the velocity on the football.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brady always had the RPMs.
Speaker 3: He always could get the ball out fast, and that's
Speaker 3: what saved his bacon, right he could. Those were lollipop
Speaker 3: throws against the Bills. Yeah, there was nothing behind those throws.
Speaker 2: I think the elbow injury that he suffered last year
Speaker 2: at his age probably took took the fastball away.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Really, what is right? And he's underthrowing guys right like
Speaker 2: you saw. Yeah, I think two weeks ago where you know,
Speaker 2: James Washington had the cornerback beat and Ben just couldn't
Speaker 2: get it there. He couldn't get it there, and they
Speaker 2: want to get the ball out. So this is I'm
Speaker 2: I'm definitely worried about the Steelers long term against the Bengals, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, it might even be not that Brandon
Speaker 2: Allen there's anything to write home about, but it might
Speaker 2: be Ryan Finley. In this game, we were like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, the defense is going to destroy that team.
Speaker 2: But I don't know what. No, I just don't want
Speaker 2: to do it. If you're telling me that I have
Speaker 2: to take the Steelers against anyone laying double digits, I'm
Speaker 2: just probably not doing it. At the same time, I
Speaker 2: can't go with the Bengals like they're just they're just abysmal.
Speaker 2: They're just a terrible football team and they're poorly coached.
Speaker 2: And you have called this forever, but it's just I
Speaker 2: can't back.
Speaker 1: How did Zach Taylor get that? You you have you.
Speaker 2: Have been like banging that drum since I first.
Speaker 1: Make because I covered the dude in college. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: I was there when he was at Nebraska. I was
Speaker 3: covering the Huskers, and at no point in time did
Speaker 3: I ever hear anyone say that, like, you know, that
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor guy, he'd be a good coach.
Speaker 2: Do you know, Matt that now I'm remembering this as
Speaker 2: we're talking here. The first time I heard you mentioned
Speaker 2: that was when you were a guest last year on
Speaker 2: the Betting Pros NFL podcast and we're talking about the
Speaker 2: Bengals and you had this mini tirade against Zach Taylor.
Speaker 2: That's that's so funny that it's just coming.
Speaker 3: He's just he's just awful. He's just he never should
Speaker 3: have gotten that job. And just because he had, like
Speaker 3: he breathed the same air as Sean McVay, that was
Speaker 3: good enough for the Bengals. Okay, thirty six year old
Speaker 3: quarter and ex quarterback coach, let's let's hire him as
Speaker 3: the head coach. And it's like, you know, look, he
Speaker 3: got Joe Burrow and that's a huge feather in his
Speaker 3: cap to have Joe Burrow. And so you're gonna win
Speaker 3: games and look decent with Joe Burrow. But your real
Speaker 3: coaching acumen comes out when you don't have superstars.
Speaker 1: And look what the Bengals look.
Speaker 2: Like now and again they I mean, look, their offensive
Speaker 2: line is terrible, but I mean things like you know,
Speaker 2: it's silly things like Giovanni Bernard. And maybe I am
Speaker 2: a little angry about this because of fantasy purposes and
Speaker 2: where I might have had him ranked. But the idea
Speaker 2: that Gio Bernard fumbles on the first play and then
Speaker 2: he's benched until the second half, like and then you know,
Speaker 2: Trevion Williams fumbles but he gets back. It's just little
Speaker 2: things like that, just I feel like, you know, it's tough.
Speaker 2: The season without Burrow, the season certainly gotten away from them.
Speaker 2: I can't back them, but I really don't want to
Speaker 2: back the Steelers. No double datus, all right, So here's
Speaker 2: where we are at. We like the Patriots getting two
Speaker 2: and a half from the Dolins. We were both good
Speaker 2: with that. We liked the Vikings laying three and a
Speaker 2: half to the Bears. So those are two games that
Speaker 2: we were both like, yeah, okay, we can lean that way.
Speaker 2: We kind of came around on the Browns laying four
Speaker 2: and a half to the Giants, and we kind of
Speaker 2: like the Rams laying sixteen and a half to the Jets.
Speaker 2: We've got three other games that I think we were
Speaker 2: basically talking through, you like the Cowboys getting three and
Speaker 2: a half from the forty nine ers. We might like
Speaker 2: the Seahawks laying five and a half to the Washington
Speaker 2: football team if both Gibson and Alex Smith are out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we kind of maybe could see ourselves taking the
Speaker 2: Jaguars getting thirteen and a half points from the Ravens.
Speaker 2: Is that fair?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, So which one you can I'll let I'll
Speaker 2: let you take the fifth one here, Matt, do you
Speaker 2: like the cow Is that your favorite? The Cowboys plus
Speaker 2: three and a half or no?
Speaker 3: I would prefer if Smith and Gibson are out, I
Speaker 3: would prefer to take Seattle.
Speaker 2: That's going to be the game. Then that's fine. Now
Speaker 2: what if they're in? Do you prefer the Cowboys plus
Speaker 2: three and a half from the Niners or the Jaguars
Speaker 2: plus thirteen and a half from the Ravens.
Speaker 1: WHOA, that's a really good question, and again.
Speaker 2: We're not locking ourselves in.
Speaker 1: I would say the Cowboys, don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Cowboys are more likely because they're at
Speaker 3: home and they're catching three and a half, and I
Speaker 3: like home dogs at plus three and a half.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine. Again, that's not a game. This is
Speaker 2: more of a in a slate where I am like, man,
Speaker 2: I don't really know. I've talked myself into both sides
Speaker 2: of that Cowboys forty nine Ers game, so that's fine
Speaker 2: with me. Cowboys plus three and a half. Okay, So
Speaker 2: those are the unofficial picks here for our uh for
Speaker 2: the contest and for the week. Patriots getting two and
Speaker 2: a half from the Dolphins, Vikings length three and a
Speaker 2: half to the Bears, brownslaying four and a half to
Speaker 2: the Giants, Rams lank sixteen and a half to the Jets,
Speaker 2: and the Cowboys getting three and a half from the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers. So all right, that's a good mix.
Speaker 2: I adds usual Matt. Once we talk it through, I
Speaker 2: like the bets a little bit better than I did
Speaker 2: coming through, which is why this podcast is good just
Speaker 2: for us. But again, we do have a bye week left,
Speaker 2: so unless we feel, you know, comfortable, we may take
Speaker 2: it this week, or we may punt this week. Even
Speaker 2: if we don't take it this week and our contest
Speaker 2: ends for purposes of you know, our picks in it,
Speaker 2: we'll still be back every week. We'll be back week
Speaker 2: seventeen talking about it.
Speaker 1: We'll be back wen we gotta bet it, We got
Speaker 1: to bet it.
Speaker 2: We gotta bet it. We don't do it for the contest.
Speaker 2: We actually, you know, do the betting. So we're there,
Speaker 2: all right, excellent as always, Please tune into the Daily
Speaker 2: Juice My goodness, I mean the Daily Juice podcast the best.
Speaker 2: How many people in the Discord channel now, Matt, I
Speaker 2: always like.
Speaker 1: To talk about it in the in totality?
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have any idea?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the's eighteen hundred people who are signed up for
Speaker 3: the Discord Chat that we started a month and a
Speaker 3: half ago. On a given day, on a given like
Speaker 3: Primetime Thursday night, Monday night game, we'll have over two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty people in there.
Speaker 2: It is all that man watching that. I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: I'm in there. Sometimes I'm not because I'm doing a
Speaker 2: lot of fantasy. But watching that Ravens game the end
Speaker 2: of that game with everybody in the Discord, oh my god.
Speaker 2: It's just fun. Betting pros like kampslash Chat. It's so
Speaker 2: fun just to be with other people who have action
Speaker 2: on a game, who are talking about it.
Speaker 1: It's a great It's a virtual bar. What's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's a virtual bar.
Speaker 2: It's so fun, totally free. You don't have to be
Speaker 2: just go betting pros like kampslash Chat sign up. It's
Speaker 2: a ton of fun to do. And Matt's in there
Speaker 2: all the time. And again, Matt, you sometimes give plays in.
Speaker 3: There, so I drop a lot of plays. I'll when
Speaker 3: I add things. If I add a prop, or if
Speaker 3: I add something officially for the Daily Juice, could be
Speaker 3: tracked the bets on the Daily jew So if I
Speaker 3: officially put something in play, I hit at every one
Speaker 3: and everybody sees it. So like I put that teaser
Speaker 3: that we talked about, the Saturday football teaser for the
Speaker 3: Packers and the Bills into the Discord Chat. No one's
Speaker 3: heard on the podcast yet, but if you're on the
Speaker 3: Discord Chet, you got that will before everybody else.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, it's a great place. And ps as soon
Speaker 2: as the football season is over, probably gonna take a
Speaker 2: couple of days to catch my breath the regular season,
Speaker 2: but then my baseball projection start. So that's going to
Speaker 2: be a lot of fun because it's going to be
Speaker 2: talking about a lot of wind totals will drop it
Speaker 2: off Discord Channel, Matt and I will still talk about it.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll do all that good stuff anyway. For
Speaker 2: now thanks for tuning in. You've got our bets. I
Speaker 2: will tweet them out on Saturday as to what exactly
Speaker 2: we are doing and our favorite plays, but until then,
Speaker 2: have an excellent couple of games. You're listening to this
Speaker 2: after the game, but I hope you enjoyed this crazy
Speaker 2: Raiders Chargers game. That's about that, and we will talk
Speaker 2: to you here on the same podcast channel next week.
Speaker 3: SA