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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season one or four,

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Speaker 1: episode four up the production of I Heart Radio. This

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Speaker 1: is the podcast where we take a deep dive into

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Speaker 1: Americans share consciousness and say, officially off the top, fuck

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Speaker 1: Coke industries, as in the Koch Brothers, fuck Fox News.

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Speaker 1: It's Thursday, October seventeen, two thousand nine. Team. My name

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Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien a K sweaty arms, which is my

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Speaker 1: woutang a K and uh, and I'm thrilled to be

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Speaker 1: joined as always by my co host, Mr Miles Gray.

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Speaker 1: Why Miles great till he gotta be Gray. Thank you

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Speaker 1: to Adamus Word for that Lizzo inspired a K man.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw that clip of her

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Speaker 1: at Austin City Limits. I did not hire crowds lost

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Speaker 1: her as they do as they do those shows. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by

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Speaker 1: the baddest bitch in the room, Sophia Chang. Whoa yeah,

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Speaker 1: Sophia change. Okay. First of all, I have to say,

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Speaker 1: this is a very great guest for us to have

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Speaker 1: brought to us by the Zeit Gang. Surprisingly, this is

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Speaker 1: this is so much sinners uh. Sofia Chang. You are

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Speaker 1: a legend. You delivered my childhood to me. You made

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Speaker 1: my childhood possible for people who don't know, to people

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Speaker 1: who do not know. This Korean Canadian made her way

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Speaker 1: to New York and I just has a hip hop

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Speaker 1: history of running through her veins. I cannot say that

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Speaker 1: a number of people who you have cross paths with,

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Speaker 1: from everyone in Wu Tang to Raphael Sad to D'Angelo

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite artists, Uh, fucking Reggie Noble red

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Speaker 1: Man himself. My first fake i D name was Reggie Noble.

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Speaker 1: When I went to fucking MacArthur Park to get my ship,

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Speaker 1: I was fucking Reggie Noble. My other friend was Wreng

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Speaker 1: harden Man because he wanted wanted to be Warren G.

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Speaker 1: The Rapper, but we didn't know what the We didn't

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Speaker 1: could We couldn't make that a real and name, So

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Speaker 1: he couldn't just have his fake i D name be

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Speaker 1: Warren G. So he was Warren G. Harding. Isn't that

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Speaker 1: a president's name? Yes, that's terrible. Yeah, and you guys

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Speaker 1: got into places. Yeah, well it was just my cigarettes

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Speaker 1: and ship right anyway, is on the street did not

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Speaker 1: sell Lucy's no Uh, that's the name of a dozz

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Speaker 1: Effects song, but referring to the ships. Uh yeah, So again,

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming. So people don't know you have

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Speaker 1: a book out the baddest bitch of the room. Put

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Speaker 1: my chest out the uh the TV I t R

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Speaker 1: Y Y not HB I c Uh, Sophia. We're going

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Speaker 1: to get to know you a little bit better in

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Speaker 1: a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a couple

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Speaker 1: of the things we're talking about today. We're just gonna

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Speaker 1: marvel at the bad run for billionaire activists that were

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Speaker 1: on with Jay Z and Bill Gates and Lebron not

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Speaker 1: necessarily a billionaire and his his sins are probably fifty

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Speaker 1: percent as bad as the other billionaires. But well, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that. We're gonna talk about the Democratic debates.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk Uh we're not going to talk much

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Speaker 1: about the whistleblower scandal today. Um, not not much. It

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Speaker 1: would be would be sad, Yeah, it would be dominating

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Speaker 1: the news and any other administration, but uh, in the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration, it's a it's a slow news day. Uh yeah.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to the whistleblower anations, are we not

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Speaker 1: We're not going to do the short dog uh and uh.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about what the president was up to yesterday.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Hot ninety seven's no Takashi policy,

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Speaker 1: all of that and plenty more. But first, so if

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Speaker 1: you we like to ask our guess, what is something

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Speaker 1: from your search history that is revealing about who you

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Speaker 1: are as a person. So my latest search was for

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Speaker 1: custom hoodies, okay, and I just made custom hoodies that

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Speaker 1: say the Baddest Bitch in the Room on them because

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Speaker 1: Lena Wait Warrior Goddess posted a picture of herself on

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Speaker 1: Instagram in one of my hoodies. Yeah, which is exceptional.

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Speaker 1: And what I would say that that says about me

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Speaker 1: is well, it's the title of my memoir. And Lena said,

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Speaker 1: thank you for making this. It was important. I think

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Speaker 1: she understands that for any of us women or men, frankly,

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Speaker 1: who live on the margins to stand up and announced

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Speaker 1: that we're the baddest pitch in the room. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: a political act inximately, right, it's radical for sure. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So bonfire dot com slash Baddest Pitch in the Room.

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Speaker 1: It's a dope memoir name. Indeed. Yeah, I'm just jealous

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Speaker 1: that members of Wu Tang will walk you to the

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Speaker 1: subway station. So you've read it, I'm sucking, bro, every

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Look, I'm just off top right. If you

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Speaker 1: have any if nineties hip hop it resonates with you

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Speaker 1: in any way it is. Your memoir is such a

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Speaker 1: front row seat not only for people who love hip hop,

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Speaker 1: for Asian Americans, Asian Canadians, Asian people, minorities operating in

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Speaker 1: I think there's so many levels that your book hits,

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Speaker 1: especially for me. I'm like, you know, being biracial, you

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Speaker 1: don't have the time. Yeah, you don't know where you

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Speaker 1: own cousins call me Jackie chan uh, and then also

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Speaker 1: laugh at like racist black jokes that Asian people might say, right,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I think growing up

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Speaker 1: I think there's yeah, it's such a great such a

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Speaker 1: great book. Um, and I can't I really can't thank

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Speaker 1: you enough, thank you so much. It's really really something

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Speaker 1: else yeah, and like you're not. It's not like you

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Speaker 1: of these great artists who working very closely with them too,

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Speaker 1: like introducing Rizzard to Shaolin, like like there's so much,

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Speaker 1: so many officially officially what I mean, I mean this.

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Speaker 1: This is the kind of stuff that I feel like,

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Speaker 1: these are stories that you just don't realize. And that's

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Speaker 1: why I'm think it's so important for this book, because

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Speaker 1: you realize who like the forces at work for things

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Speaker 1: that we take very much for granted. So I'll stop fanning.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I appreciate that. No, I think that's

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Speaker 1: a really good point. You know. Um Hurry Kondabolu, the

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Speaker 1: Indian um director and comedian, he interviewed me and he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, Sophia, much like what you're saying, I was

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Speaker 1: a teenager growing up in Queens and I loved hip

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Speaker 1: hop and I wish I had known that in the

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Speaker 1: to me, that there was an Asian and you know,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's my decision to put myself out there more,

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Speaker 1: you know, And that was a very interesting part of

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Speaker 1: the process of even arriving at the place where I

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Speaker 1: for so long. So I'm glad that it resonated with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, No, absolutely, What is something you think

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Speaker 1: is overrated? Mediocre? White men? Mm hmmm great, mm hmm,

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Speaker 1: you're superior? What are you? Superior? Mediocre? Obvious? Mediocre at

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Speaker 1: certain things? You guys know what I'm telling? Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think people who are not yeah, not don't acknowledge

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Speaker 1: double born on third exactly right, or that you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and whereas most of us aren't even allowed

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Speaker 1: also that society, because we live in white supremacy, because

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Speaker 1: we live in white patriarchy, it's that society allows them

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Speaker 1: to continue to ascend, right, I mean, look at the

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Speaker 1: White House. Yeah. Tanahassi Coats wrote beautifully about this. He's

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Speaker 1: he's like the greatest writer of our time. The second

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Speaker 1: Mountain climbers who play an electric guitar. As a matter

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Speaker 1: And what I loved about Barry, Barry's a Cornell grad,

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Speaker 1: the best record company people I've ever met. Barry never

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Speaker 1: Like just and was who he was. He never changed

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Speaker 1: they start wearing backpacks. It's like only you're fifty, you know,

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Speaker 1: like like my cross colors overalls and you know, and

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Speaker 1: you know, absolutely adopted some of the styles, but there

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Speaker 1: And I just had this conversation with a friend recently,

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Speaker 1: I met people like my mentor, Michael Austin, who ran

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Speaker 1: When I say I mean underrated, I mean undervalued, underappreciated,

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Speaker 1: I always talk about the motherfucking village that raised Sophia

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Speaker 1: Chang and pillars of that village are black women. They're

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Speaker 1: black feminists, they're black journalists, they're black academics, they are

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Speaker 1: That's what this is about. It don't like, why are

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Speaker 1: we getting my optically focused on this tax thing? It's

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Speaker 1: a game theory thing where the other candidates know that

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Speaker 1: she has basically created this rule for herself where she's

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Speaker 1: not going to say I'm going to raise your text

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Speaker 1: because she doesn't want to. She just knows it's going

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Speaker 1: to be an attack ad from Trump if she is

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Speaker 1: the candidate. So she's just not going to say that.

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Speaker 1: So they know that, and so they're going to use

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Speaker 1: that against her to like bend her into all sorts

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Speaker 1: of awkward wordings. And you know, I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's substitutively very important, but I get like, I

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Speaker 1: get their overall, the overall perspective that like, well, it's

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Speaker 1: got to be a realistic plan. I just but they

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Speaker 1: don't think that's actually what they care about. And also

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Speaker 1: it's not a standard. But real Republicans ever hold themselves too.

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Speaker 1: But I think that word real I stick though, is

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Speaker 1: used in the context of what will the powers that

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Speaker 1: be allow us to do? It's not It's not revolutionary,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. The revolutions aren't being like, well,

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Speaker 1: what are they gonna allow us to do? You're gonna

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Speaker 1: be like, no, we're about to turn this thing up,

446
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Speaker 1: and we'll do it on our terms. But everyone else

447
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: is to shook. So they're doing like, well, are you

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Speaker 1: gonna pay for that? I mean, then you're gonna kick

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Speaker 1: people off their insurance, you know, when no one's getting

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Speaker 1: kicked off of insurance. First of all, I have too

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Speaker 1: people who do pay for the insurance. Tell me how

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Speaker 1: many of you all fucking like your insurance. Look at

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Durante who's been on the show, who had to

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Speaker 1: get her gallbladder removed, going through all kinds of hoops

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Speaker 1: and took months for things like that to happen. And

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Speaker 1: that's somebody who pays for insurance and had to appeal

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Speaker 1: to like a public funding thing, right, Because that's how

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Speaker 1: that's where we're at. That's where we're and we're saying

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Speaker 1: how about a world where that is not a reality,

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Speaker 1: rather than well what about the insurance people are happy

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Speaker 1: paying for it? That's just a talking point from the

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Speaker 1: insurance industry to be like, well, how how do we

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Speaker 1: keep our checks coming in? Right? I think I think

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Speaker 1: it's a thing where people who are insured through their

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Speaker 1: employer or like, I don't want to lose my insurance.

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Speaker 1: But that's because they're used to a world where you

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Speaker 1: can lose your insurance and be completely financially fucked if

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Speaker 1: you have to go to the hospital. So of course

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Speaker 1: they don't want to lose their insurance. That's been like

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Speaker 1: their life preserver in this like killer be killed like

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Speaker 1: world where you don't necessarily get insured. And there these

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Speaker 1: uh people are basically saying we want to end the

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Speaker 1: possibility that you won't be insured. Yeah, it just reminded

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Speaker 1: me even when she had to come at John Delaney

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Speaker 1: a few debates ago and she's like, why are we

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Speaker 1: even bothering talking about ship if we're not talking about

477
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Speaker 1: changing ship for real? Like that doesn't make sense. And

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Speaker 1: I think that seemed to be the theme. But again, uh,

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Speaker 1: that's where Bernie really was very able to, like, very

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Speaker 1: eloquently and passionately able to defend some of these ideas

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Speaker 1: in a way that he was just like fucking y'all

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Speaker 1: think I had a heart attack and I'm weak, Like

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Speaker 1: watch watch this. Yeah, he went all the way in

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Speaker 1: and and you know, I think that was great because

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Speaker 1: you need someone to you know, because they are similar

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Speaker 1: in certain ways Warren and Sanders on certain policies that

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Speaker 1: you almost it's good to hear that counterpoint, at least

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Speaker 1: coming from Bernie to understand, like if for someone who

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Speaker 1: has maybe put off by what they think medicare for

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Speaker 1: all means to hear like what the stakes are for people,

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Speaker 1: what that actually means. So uh yeah, I think there

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Speaker 1: was also very little mention of climate change this time

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Speaker 1: very interesting time. Well that's because I mean that's not

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Speaker 1: the real danger. The real danger is you know, if

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Speaker 1: you're friends with George W. Bush and like the whole

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Speaker 1: Ellen scandal, I think what what was really on people's mind,

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Speaker 1: because that was one of the questions, right, who's a

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Speaker 1: surprising friend? You? Yeah, who was surprising? I'm sorry? What

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Speaker 1: we have like people dying in this And I think

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Speaker 1: this is probably the issue with these debates is like

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Speaker 1: they're just one of the questions. Yeah, that was the

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Speaker 1: last question. I think that's what they closed out with,

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Speaker 1: who's a surprising friend you have? I think that's just

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Speaker 1: the moment for like white people to be like this

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Speaker 1: person of color or some other things again, and they

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Speaker 1: asked it in the context of the Ellen thing. Didn't

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Speaker 1: that that's sophomoric? Isn't that wild? Yeah? And I think

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Speaker 1: that's where we're really These debates do us a disservice

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Speaker 1: because they're not They're we're not confronting real systemic issues. Right.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of Okay, everyone, do your book, report

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Okay, I have a question about

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Speaker 1: this book for them, Okay, the next person. I think

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Speaker 1: they're really they could get better, but we've seen them

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Speaker 1: sort of like modulate between like, Okay, this felt a

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Speaker 1: little more focused. This one felt like pageantry. Are the

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Speaker 1: town halls better? The town halls are interesting. I saw

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Speaker 1: the lgbt Q one last week, and that felt there

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Speaker 1: were moments and at least there were activists who got up,

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Speaker 1: spoke out, put some of the candidates on their heels

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Speaker 1: by taking over the mic and addressing things head on.

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Speaker 1: I think that was actually a great thing to see

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Speaker 1: because usually a lot of these candidates are in controlled environments.

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Speaker 1: They're not expect doing someone to ask them directly a question,

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Speaker 1: what are you going to do to protect trans woman

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Speaker 1: of color who are being killed at an alarming rate?

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Speaker 1: And I think some people were able to move with it.

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris did not. She said when someone from the

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Speaker 1: rafters like, what are you going to do as president?

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Speaker 1: Like we are out here getting killed, and she said,

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Speaker 1: you're right. Her answer was your right, and then she

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Speaker 1: couldn't quite articulate. It was a little But that shows

532
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Speaker 1: you too, how many people who as a candidate, no

533
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Speaker 1: matter what you're being asked, you can respond like you can.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like energy, like you can take that

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Speaker 1: and redirected and bring it back. Some people just absorb

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Speaker 1: it and get hit and they're like, well, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it might not be happening in my brain. So according

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Speaker 1: to the mainstream media and the monoculture, Mayor Pete was

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Speaker 1: the real standout from the debate last night because he

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Speaker 1: was the one that kind of landed the punches that

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Speaker 1: resonated the most on Warren Uh And I don't know,

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Speaker 1: just by default, I feel like someone who's not Biden,

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Speaker 1: who's the centrists. They need someone, the mainstream media needs

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Speaker 1: someone who's going to be the man who's not a

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Speaker 1: socialist of the field. It feels like like that's they're

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Speaker 1: just like grasping for that, and they're right, but even

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Speaker 1: the framing of that is frustrating. Oh hell yeah, right,

548
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Speaker 1: meaning the fact that the person who is the standout

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Speaker 1: is the one that lands the most punches. And I

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00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: understand that it's a debate, but a debate isn't about gotcha, right,

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Speaker 1: Like I sat there for hours with my team when

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Speaker 1: I prepped, and I wondered, what's the fucking zinger that

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Speaker 1: I can ask? It's going to knock her off my feet? Right, yeah,

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00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: like it's a rat battle or something. Yeah, but I

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00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: mean what it's like really that kind of like that's

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Speaker 1: really what they're going for, because I think at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, we live in such a like

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Speaker 1: tweet based culture too. It's like, well, what's that fifteen

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Speaker 1: second clip? Right, we're just clap back at Elizabeth Warrenston, right,

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Speaker 1: but I mean got him. It's it's interesting because the

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00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: mainstream media would uh kind of and I know people

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Speaker 1: who are like, well, you guys are just like these

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00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: Hollywood leftists who you know, think everybody supports Warren and

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00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: like people are actually more center than you think. And

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Speaker 1: that's why Biden's like out there has like is still

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Speaker 1: consistently in in the lead in a lot of national polls.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's just it just seems like unbalanced.

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Speaker 1: The way the media covers like Bernie is not considered

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Speaker 1: a serious candidate, even though he very much is. It

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Speaker 1: really reminds me of two thousand four the way they

571
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: covered Howard Dean, where he was just like this upstart.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it actually reminds me of how they covered

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Speaker 1: Trump at first. It's just like they don't really believe

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Speaker 1: that there's any chance that the person can win because

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00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: they're not a trade to I think you gotta zoom

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00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: out a little bit more. Because it's corporate owned media.

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Speaker 1: They could never start engaging with the ideas of Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders in a very authentic or genuine way because that

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Speaker 1: is a threat, that's an existential threat to the business

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Speaker 1: model that they're operating on. Like it's like a like

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Speaker 1: a fucking fire podcast where a bunch of forest fires

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Speaker 1: talk about fire extinguishers or some ship. It's like yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love this. I love getting the flame ex like

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Speaker 1: it just doesn't. I think it's counterintuitive. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's where they really show their bias too, because I

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Speaker 1: think that's why Elizabeth Warren is a little bit safer

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Speaker 1: for the mainstream media because she still identifies as a capitalist. Um.

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Speaker 1: But I mean when you look also to the amount

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Speaker 1: that Bernie actually spoke too, if you're like going off

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Speaker 1: a word county, he was down there, like closer to

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Speaker 1: the bottom. But that's just sort of how things go

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Speaker 1: right now in this country. If you look at the

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Speaker 1: five thirty eight polls, the people who won the debate,

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Speaker 1: they did like pull with ipsos where they interviewed three

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Speaker 1: thousand people before the debates, like in the week leading up,

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Speaker 1: and then interviewed a thousand of those same people. Uh so,

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00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: like you know, saw how it changed. Um, And Elizabeth

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Speaker 1: Warren had the highest like increase in her approval or

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Speaker 1: like favorability rating. Bernie Sanders was second, and Pete Bota

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Speaker 1: was third. So can I ask you something though? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I pay attention to the polls as well,

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Speaker 1: but after I kind of feel like, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I I don't think I don't I used the polls

604
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Speaker 1: as like a fucking hit, like awful blunt or something

605
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: like Okay, I can relax. He pulled these stay steady Hillary,

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Speaker 1: I really hate this dude good on election day, the

607
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Speaker 1: New York Times because you know, the New York Times

608
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: had New York Times really fucked up, and she was

609
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: in the nineties throughout the day. Remember she was in

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Speaker 1: the high nine and the high nineties. Like, so that's

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Speaker 1: the thing, So I don't pay attention to any of

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Speaker 1: that ship. Five thirty eight had it as like one

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00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: in three that Trump would win, and they said exactly

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00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: how it would happen if he did with it, and

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00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: poll that you that you give the most CREATI so

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Speaker 1: they completely nailed two thousand and twelve, like down to

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Speaker 1: the county of like who would wow, how Obama would win?

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Speaker 1: And then people because they were sort of like you

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Speaker 1: know how like people just become the brand of something

620
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: like Einstein is the brand of smart, like eight became

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Speaker 1: the brand of pulling. It was just like, okay, they

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Speaker 1: represent all polling, and like the polls got it completely

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Speaker 1: the funk wrong. And because everybody had five thirty eight

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Speaker 1: as the brand of polling, everyone's like, well, Nate Silver

625
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: fuck him, like, and I think he was wrong on

626
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of things, but he was still like not

627
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: out are over a skis saying. He was like, this

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Speaker 1: can happen. Yeah, I mean I think so. That's why

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Speaker 1: I still pay attention. And they generally have a pretty

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Speaker 1: good level of skepticism and you know, caution when it

631
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Speaker 1: comes to their own numbers. I think the difference now

632
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Speaker 1: is I look at poles and I go, Okay, that's

633
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Speaker 1: how some people are feeling right right, versus Okay, this

634
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Speaker 1: is reality. Okay, that's what I was like, this is

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Speaker 1: reality fucking quantified for my brain. Great, we're good. And

636
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Speaker 1: now I'm like, okay, that's how some people feel. But

637
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Speaker 1: I still don't know. Every motherfucker still has to get

638
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: on vote and and and in the end, you know,

639
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm this is not my area of expertise

640
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: at all, But I have many friends that are smarter

641
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: than me that I've spoken to a lot. In the end,

642
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: somebody on Bill Maher said this a woman. I wish

643
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: I could remember her name so I could I could

644
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: give her credit. It was racial animous, wasn't it. Mm hmmm?

645
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: You know. It was a response to eight years of

646
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: a black president that gave us what we have now,

647
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that all of us, well,

648
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: first of all, the people that started talking about post

649
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: racial whoever created that term needs to be slapped. Um.

650
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: And so then, um, so many of us settled into

651
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: this comfort of thinking that Okay, you know, things are

652
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: kind of stabilizing, and I think that it just you know,

653
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: we became more islamophobic as a country, you know, and

654
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: then all of these things started bubbling up, and I

655
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: think that you know, people were like, I've had eight

656
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: years of a black president. Now you want me to

657
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: elect a woman. Yeah, there's a there's a limit, right much.

658
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: What was the thing Malcolm Gladwell was talking about in

659
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: his podcast about how there was a female like, there's

660
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: a woman painter that showed at one of these galleries

661
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: like in the nineteenth century, and uh like based on

662
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: the placement of her painting, that like gave it a

663
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: little bit of cash, and then the next year they

664
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: didn't do it because they felt that like, well, we

665
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: had a woman of this last year, so we're good

666
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: quota satisfied. Yeah, we sort of like aligning that same

667
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: thinking with a lot of white voters who are like, well,

668
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: we had a black president for a I think we're good. Okay,

669
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: now let me sco with Trump now because I did that.

670
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: I did that. I was hoping that means that now

671
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: that we've had an openly racist president for four years,

672
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: that people will be like, okay, enough of that ship. Right.

673
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: Let's you've heard Chris Rock's joke, right, Chris Rock has

674
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: this joke about the presidents and I will never do

675
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: it justice. But he essentially says, well, you know, so

676
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: and so gave us so and so, so and so

677
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: gave us so and so so. Now after Trump, we

678
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 1: should get Jesus Christ, right, yeah, yeah, like literally yeah yeah,

679
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: like in the form of Armageddon because Christ will return

680
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: because it's the end of the world. Like in that sense,

681
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: that might be it. Yeah, that could be it. That

682
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: does seem to be as general according to Southern Baptists,

683
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: when all the evangelicals they're like, yeah, they really are.

684
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: They're like ships the end times. They're like, bring them home. Uh, well,

685
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: let's talk about the apocalyptic nature of what's happening in

686
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: in the White House because this story. Okay, so in

687
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: late August, the wife of a American diplomat that was

688
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: in the UK. Her name is and S Coolist. She

689
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: was dry. So she's in the UK, the wife of

690
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: an investor. She's driving on the wrong side of the

691
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: road because it's the UK, and she struck and killed

692
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Speaker 1: a nineteen year old who was riding on his motorcycle

693
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Speaker 1: because she was on the wrong side of the road.

694
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Speaker 1: She spoke to the police the day of the accident,

695
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: I think, then the next day, and then fucked off

696
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks later under diplomatic community. I mean,

697
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: consider I doubt she disputed the fact that she was

698
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: driving on the wrong side of the road and killed

699
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Speaker 1: this person. Did I mean, I don't How do how

700
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: do you dispute that? I don't think she did. No, no, no,

701
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: I think I think that's pretty much accepted. And I

702
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: think local police actually tried to like object to her

703
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: using diplomatic community to return to the US. But you know,

704
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: this is where we are. She's in the US, and

705
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: the family of this guy, Harry Dunn, they are looking

706
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: for justice for their son because their son was killed

707
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: by someone who was just grossly negligent at best um

708
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: and so they've gone from everything from asking for you know,

709
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Speaker 1: the help of like politicians the UK getting on TV.

710
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: They've been in New York doing a press conference. They

711
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: were invited to the White House a couple of days ago. Um,

712
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: so last week they had something with like an American

713
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: diplomat where they were like, oh, that was just a

714
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: photo of it was like a camera in in the

715
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: car with them. I remember seeing that last week. They

716
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: were like weeping and they were like, that was just

717
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: a fucking photo op for for that asshole. So cut

718
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: two cut too. They have an invitation to the White House.

719
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: They've been wanting to speak to the president. The father

720
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: of this young man who died said, I just want

721
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: to be able to speak to him a parent to parent,

722
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: to say what would you do if you lost your child?

723
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: And this person who was responsible for their death was

724
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: able to just skate because on some diplomatic community ship.

725
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: So they get a chance. Uh. The President comes in.

726
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: According to the family, he was very uh kind and

727
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: consoled them. I doubt that because I feel like they

728
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: still need something from Trump. So I'm not gonna be

729
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: like this fool ask. I don't know. I believe, I

730
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: just can't. I've never seen Trump actually console someone in

731
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: a convincing way. Um. Then things got fucking weird. So

732
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: this is from the report says. The family says that

733
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: Trump surprised them with the bombshell news that and Skulis,

734
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: the wife of the U. S. Diplomat, was in an

735
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: adjoining room. Photographers were waiting in the wings, said a

736
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: family spokesperson, who described the encounter as an ambush. So

737
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, I hear you so much. Actually, uh,

738
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: the woman who killed your son is in the next

739
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: room with camera exactly, and they were just apparently for

740
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: people who saw it, they were positioned to get like

741
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: this angle of like the moment where the family saw

742
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: the woman responsible for killing their son and they were like,

743
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: they said, no, we're good. We're not we don't want

744
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: to do that. This feels off and we're good, Yeah,

745
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: they said, yeah. They said, we were only interested in

746
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: meeting her on our terms and on UK soil, our

747
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: on our soil exactly. And there there's talks of that.

748
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: But I mean, again, it's just another moment where I think,

749
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what. It's one of those things where

750
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, this was Trump's idea from the beginning. I'm

751
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: sure there are people who are like, I don't know,

752
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: but at this point in the White House, like if

753
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: he if he says he wants to sucking all the

754
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: people who say, I don't know are gone. I want

755
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: to do a double X L Cipher Kanye West. It'll

756
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: be sick like doing some ship like that. I think

757
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: they just like fucking okay whatever. And it's the most tasteless,

758
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: just fucked up thing you could do to exploit this

759
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: family's grief. And I don't know how he thought that

760
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: was gonna make him look exactly like what even in

761
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: your mind is the home run version of this surprise

762
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: meeting that they hug and they say, I forgive you,

763
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: don't worry, you know, I get it. Man, people drive,

764
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: we drive wacky on the other side of the road

765
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: in the UK. How are you supposed to know? Like,

766
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I don't know what the

767
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: even the most ideal version of that scenario is bred healing,

768
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: bright healing a lot of understanding, but I just don't. Yeah,

769
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: it's just a very surreal, just evil moment. Yeah, reminds

770
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: your succession. I actually haven't seence. Oh man, you're gonna

771
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, but surreal evil. Haven't we been living

772
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: with surreal evil for a long time where you kind

773
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: of go, this can't be real. This is real, yeah,

774
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: and it's so right. And I think that's where I'm

775
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: trying to just be like I have to measure my

776
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: shock with my accept not that I accept that this

777
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: is what the situation is, but I understand that this

778
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: is the situation we're in with this president. Right, We're

779
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: all living in that dwell Yeah, exactly, that this conflicted

780
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: place where you're like, but and then but we can't

781
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: be surprised, But how can we not be surprised? I'm desensitized.

782
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to be desensitized. You know. It's the fatigue.

783
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: It's the fatigue of living in this in this duel. Yeah, absolutely,

784
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 1: And it's and trying to sort of thread that needle

785
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: of being like, why I can't numb myself to this,

786
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: because then I will I won't be uh worthy advocate

787
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: or someone who can speak up to anything if I'm

788
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: completely just like check out for my own well being.

789
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: But there is I have to kind of must decree. Yeah,

790
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: to a certain level. It's like you can't take your

791
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: off the ball because the second you start being like, yeah,

792
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: that's all, then that's when you fully, the slow boil

793
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: has began on you. But it's impossible not to be

794
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: desensitized exactly. But but don't you think that that's part

795
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: of our that's our emotional uh necessity that we can't

796
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: allow because otherwise you would feel like you were getting

797
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: fucking punched in the solar plexus every fucking right, So

798
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: define another presidency, but this will just be forgotten by

799
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: tomorrow probably. Well, yeah, And I think it's all in

800
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: self preservation that we have these mechanisms to what precisely,

801
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do just you know, implode on yourself?

802
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: And people have you know, I know plenty of people

803
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: who have had to completely disengage from the news. And

804
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: I think if you're able to, uh to stay engaged

805
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: somewhat and maintain your well being, great, hopefully this show

806
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: does that for you because we try not you know,

807
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: try and keep a light, but you know, also try

808
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: and put the light on the darkness a little bit.

809
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: But I think, yeah, it is it's a very very

810
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: trying time. And when you just see things like this,

811
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: it seems like some ship in like a fucking like

812
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: a fucked up movie. Um, but it's not. And that's

813
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: what people need to remind themselves because at least the

814
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: first step is going to the polls. But that's not

815
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: going to change much if we're gonna be real. But

816
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: to get the president out though, for sure. I have

817
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: a friend who totally disengaged with the news, but he's

818
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: working for Stacy Abrams, working with Stacy Abrams on like

819
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: the get the like make preserve the right to vote thing.

820
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: Like that's a good in what capacity? He's just I

821
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: mean he's I don't want to like get into no,

822
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: but is in a policy thing or yeah, yeah, but

823
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: you can still be disengaged from the news and still

824
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,959
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he's just that's that's a very specific task.

825
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: It's a target, and so I can see that that's

826
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: pretty dope to like have a outlet. Yeah, Like it's

827
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: one thing to disengage with the news and just ignore.

828
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: It's another to like engage with the problem while not

829
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: having to immerse yourself being used constructively. I was just

830
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: bragging that I know somebody who knows Stacy's my mom

831
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: took a photo with everybody from succession. I know, Man,

832
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: what the fuck? That blew my mind? All Right, we're

833
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: gonna take another quick break, we'll be right back, and

834
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837
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: the deal, Okay, he was cooperating with the police, uh

838
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: to get the nine trade bloods on the hook for

839
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: some stuff. Uh. And anyone who has seen a movie

840
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: or has been anywhere near rap music would know that's

841
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: probably not advisable, okay, or rather, there are consequences. Uh.

842
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: And usually what you would do if you wanted to

843
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: stand up for something like that, you would go into

844
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: something called witness protection, so that way no one can

845
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846
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: This man has decided to forego witness protection. He is

847
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: going to just go resuming his rap career. Um. And

848
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: many people from all corners of hip hop are like,

849
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the best thing. Oh, he's

850
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: not going into witness No, he's not going into witness protection.

851
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: He also there's a rumor to TMZ reported that he

852
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: has signed a deal with the the first label he

853
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: was with, worth like ten million, to put out two albums.

854
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: So there are people like investing in this too now.

855
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: Um and Hot ninety seven has come out that basically

856
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: says when he is released from prison and drops new music,

857
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: the radio station will not jump to debut any of

858
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: the records, and they don't anticipate playing any of his

859
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: music at all unless there's an outcry because the hit

860
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: is so big that they don't want to funk up

861
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: their their numbers because at the end of the day, look,

862
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: you gotta do what the people want. But I think

863
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: I think it's easy to say that he'll probably never

864
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: be at a summer jam for sure, because I think

865
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: with the amount of just security he would need or

866
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: what would happen. What about the insurance imagine what the

867
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: policy looks like your c I like your insurance policy

868
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: to have somebody like that there. It's yeah, I've see.

869
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: This is a little abstract to me. What what do

870
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: you can imagine would cost to ensure a show like

871
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: We're someone who I had? I literally have no idea,

872
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: but I just know that if I was the venue

873
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: of I was the promoter, that I would absolutely take

874
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: that into consideration. That there's a there's a potential liability

875
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: there right, massive, massive, liability. It's I don't understand. That's

876
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: why it's funny. This has been kind of one of

877
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: these moments where I feel like there's old hip hop

878
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: heads and younger hip hop heads who don't see eye

879
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: to eye on this where a lot of I think,

880
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: and it's probably because of the evolution of rap music,

881
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: where a lot of people who were in the streets

882
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: were the first people rapping, and now there are a

883
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: lot of people who, from the comfort of their living rooms,

884
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: have taken on these personas and are now dabbling in

885
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,959
Speaker 1: this world to where some people are like, it's he's fine,

886
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: it's all good, he's no, he's going to touch him,

887
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and that that could that I could

888
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: believe a world where that's true because there's so much

889
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: attention on him. But I also believe there's another world

890
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: that operates in a completely different way too, that he's

891
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: sort of immersed himself in that. I'm not sure where

892
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: that ends. Yeah, I mean I think so. I don't.

893
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: I don't really know much about this boy. I don't.

894
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: I don't really pay attention to hip hop like that

895
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: these days. But it's my right of my understanding that

896
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: he took on a persona that was not necessarily genuine. No,

897
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: that's not yet. So to me, that's the interrogation that

898
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: I think should be made. Right. Hypothesizing about whether or

899
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: not he's something he's going to come into harm and

900
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: I don't wish anybody harm is less interesting to me

901
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: than the conversation around what is it to feign something

902
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: for commercial reasons? Right? And then two it's it's like

903
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: a It's like a tattoo that you can put on

904
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: temporarily and take off, right. And I think it's so social.

905
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: I think it's political because from what I understand about

906
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: people that are in gangs there, it's not like there

907
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: are a lot of other options. Right, So if you're

908
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: not paying attention to and not being sympathetic and empathetic to,

909
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: what does it actually mean for the what are they

910
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: called the nine one? Yeah, for the nine trade bloods,

911
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: like having any sympathy for that or trying to do

912
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: anything to make that situation better if they wanted that.

913
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: But you also want to kind of have the grill

914
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: and the do you know what I'm saying. I just

915
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: think that that's that's a conversation that I would like

916
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: people who know more about me, which is probably everybody

917
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: at this point, but from where I sit, um having

918
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: known artists who did live on, you know, on the

919
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: crime side, the New York Times side, um to to

920
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: to wear that as an accessory, I think is what

921
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: should also be part of the conversation, right right, that

922
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: we're sort of still glorifying like that that's a that

923
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: that's a roadmap somehow, well, you know, it's it's not

924
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: necessarily yes, part of it is a glorification. But I

925
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: think what I find offensive is that this is for gangs.

926
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: And again I don't know very much, but gang life,

927
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: I think we can safely say is dangerous and it

928
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: is something that is problematic. And for someone to simply

929
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: say that, I think it's cool and therefore I want

930
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: to have the veneer of being in the game, but

931
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: I actually have the privilege that I don't actually have

932
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: to be within that ecosystem, right which could be life

933
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: for death. Is the thing that I take issue with

934
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: that you're that you're feigning a lifestyle that for some

935
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: people is very very real and potentially very very dangerous.

936
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: Is I think that and boils down to growing and

937
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: also just a lack of opportunity where that is your

938
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: only recourse, right, whereas that's not your reality, right For

939
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: the person that Danny Hernandez or whatever his real name is,

940
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: like people showing him in his rom photos and he's like, Okay,

941
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to have these dudes in

942
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: the videos with me to try and again, because I

943
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: think there is this thing of like a lot of

944
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: people take that gangster culture and lends it this air

945
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: of credibility or authenticity. And I think, and again to

946
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: what you're speaking about, it's true, it's like how are

947
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: we is this what how are we determining what's authentic?

948
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: And is that what we see as authentic? Still because

949
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: I think these are these are all like layers that

950
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: have kind of happened as the onion of hip hop

951
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: is peeled, Like you see sort of what's you know

952
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: what what used to be? What is the future and

953
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: things like that, But yeah, it is it is odd

954
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: when the it comes with a lot of uh consequences.

955
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: And yeah, like to your point too, that it really

956
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: is it's a gangs exist because it's a system. There's

957
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: a systemic failure, like we failed people where their only

958
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: recourse is to get into the streets like that, and

959
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: that is another uh dimension of it that I think

960
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: is probably left out because yeah, even for me too,

961
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: I'm more like I'm I'm in like the tabloid e

962
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: version of hip hop too, things like okay, tokashi, good

963
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: luck and then also it's good to have you here too, Sophia,

964
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: because it's a little sobering sort of look at it

965
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: a little bit clear to and be like this is

966
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: actually this is a much larger thing, and we're looking

967
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: at a very narrow So now he gets he's getting

968
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: ten million dollars, Like what do you are you going

969
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: to take a million of those ten million dollars and

970
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: maybe put it towards the community that you exploited for

971
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: your success, Like what what is your level of activism

972
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: if you're going to put on the mantle, right, you know?

973
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just yeah, And I mean you look

974
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: at people like Nipsey Hustle too, who was active, came

975
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: from the streets and actively saw why he why he

976
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: was there, why he had to why his evolution was

977
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: the way it was, and tried to change that and

978
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: his life ended tragically. And but yeah, these are the

979
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: kind of you know, you can see that there are

980
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: levels to the way a lot of rappers look at

981
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,439
Speaker 1: where they come from, what their places, and if they're

982
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: doing like, am I just doing this because I like

983
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: to shine and I want to wear bathing a putties?

984
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: Or am I doing something because like I actually realized,

985
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: like I don't want anybody to do have to do

986
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: what I did. Did that, so hopefully you want to

987
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: go do that? Right. I was wondering if authenticity is

988
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: becoming less of a thing in in like modern hip

989
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: hop and just modern culture in general, because we have

990
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: like YouTube stars who are like the Paul Brothers who

991
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: are just like bad, They're just caricatures w a caricatures

992
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: of like something but like not actually believably authentic in

993
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,479
Speaker 1: any way. Right. Well, but then I think, but but really,

994
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: the artists that do really well are the actual artists

995
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, who are really like, this is me, this

996
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: is what I'm doing, this is how I'm choosing to

997
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: express myself, no matter what the genres, because I think

998
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: there's a sincerity about someone really expressing themselves truly that

999
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: no matter what the beats are, the lyrics or the package,

1000
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: it just it just connects with people on a deeper level.

1001
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: You know, I think that authenticity is a term that's

1002
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: thrown around a lot these days, and and and I

1003
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: and look, I think that I am very authentic. I

1004
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: think I have a very authentic voice. I think that

1005
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: my memoir is very authentic, and anything that I do

1006
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: is authentic. Um So, if people are going to be

1007
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: storytellers and the claim is that they are telling their

1008
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: own story right as opposed to writing fiction, then I

1009
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: want authenticity. And I think that m c s would

1010
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: probably consider themselves storytellers. I think the best of them are.

1011
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: And here in I also want authenticity. I That's why

1012
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: I think I'm having an issue with saying, Okay, you know,

1013
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm down with this, or I do that, or you know,

1014
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: going back to the guys I was telling you about

1015
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: in the industry who you know suddenly acted like they were,

1016
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, so so down, I mean to me, one

1017
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: of the most beautiful manifestations of authenticity and hip hop

1018
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: was Redman's episode of crib Yes you know this is

1019
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: you know for that show MTV Cribs. They used to

1020
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: rent houses for the rappers. They used to rent cars

1021
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: for the rappers. So that's the furthest thing from authenticity right,

1022
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: that's the opposite. And he's so disrupted that he completely

1023
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: subverted that model, right because right exactly here, here's the

1024
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: here's the box on top of them, here's a cereal

1025
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: box on top of my fridges has the dollar bills, right,

1026
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: And I think that's also speaks very much to his

1027
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: talent and his confidence and knowing there's nothing that I

1028
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: could do or show you that's going to ever shake

1029
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: who I am as red Man. And so the notion

1030
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: that there is a show based on luxury, on aspirational

1031
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: living and it's all about consumerism, that too, is kind

1032
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: of offensive to me. I never fucking watched that show.

1033
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: I never watched I never watched Lifestyles of the Rich

1034
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: and famous. I never watched any of those things that

1035
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: shoved in my phase. Wouldn't your life be amazing if

1036
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: it was this, because those are not the things that

1037
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:10,919
Speaker 1: define happiness. External, that's right, They're completely external. And look,

1038
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: I would love a nice, big fat crib. I'd love

1039
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: to fucking fly private and all that. I would love that,

1040
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: but that's not I'm not on the paper chase. So

1041
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: the fact that there there there was so much programming.

1042
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anymore. I don't really watch

1043
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: television like that. But the fact that there was so

1044
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: much programming around um wanting to be wealthy and live

1045
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: in luxury, I think is kind of gross to the

1046
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: point that you fake it again. It's faking right. Rent

1047
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: this house with which house do you want? I want

1048
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: the one with the fucking big gass, you know, I

1049
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: want the one with the big gass aquarium and it's

1050
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: got to have the I don't know, obn aquarium. Okay, Well, yeah,

1051
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: just all of those markers of success which are firmly

1052
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: based in capitalism, absolutely right, which kind of goes back

1053
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: to the conversation about billionaires like capital and capitalism. My

1054
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: girlfriend Trevial lindsay, it's a capitalism makes us ship hard.

1055
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: So it makes it hard, you know, it's it's it

1056
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: just it just necessarily, if you think about it, it

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00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: necessarily compromises everything we do. I own home. Yeah. Well,

1058
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: and I think it's funny too, as you say, like

1059
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: they need to sell a mirage of aspirational wealth and

1060
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: things like that, because to to really inoculate people or

1061
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: get people to buy into that thinking is the precisely

1062
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: kinds of ship you see in the form of like centrism,

1063
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: where really evaluating what the issues are and if there

1064
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: is a class of wealth in this country that is

1065
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: actually working against everything and a lot of systemic issues

1066
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: are coming from this mentality of like consume consolidates as

1067
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: much as possible to the detriment of others. You Like,

1068
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: that's sort of how these programs function because it's sort

1069
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: of like this thing in the back of your mind.

1070
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: It's like, why don't should I mean, should I be

1071
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: mad at millionaires because like when I'm a millionaire, you know,

1072
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: like that would be sick. So maybe I should go

1073
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: easy on them because that could be me, you know

1074
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, there's that sub It works on

1075
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: your subconscious because for me, as a fucking what fourteen

1076
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: year old probably watching Cribs at the time fifteen, I

1077
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: was full, I fully, I'm sure you found a complete

1078
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: would I went to the back of the Source magazine

1079
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: and ordered fake canary yellow diamond areas and ship. I

1080
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: wanted to fucking show out because in my mind that

1081
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: really was I had a very one dimensional idea of

1082
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: what success or happiness was a most absolutely but that's

1083
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: but again, that's where we live. We live in America, right, right,

1084
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: I love fancy things. I wear a Gucci hat, I

1085
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: buy prod of shoes. You know, I I absolutely am

1086
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: part of this system. There's no doubt in my mind.

1087
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: You know. The other thing I think about you guys

1088
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: in terms of authenticity is that, you know, I came

1089
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: up in an arrow where there was no social media, right,

1090
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: and so I think about I think, is it safe

1091
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: to say that Instagram is probably the most real bus

1092
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: platform for artists more definitely more so than Twitter and Facebook. Yeah. Yeah,

1093
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: it depends on where you Instagram for sure. Right. So

1094
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: let's say I have one, two, three, ten million followers,

1095
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: and it's all about pictures. So it's all about what

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01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: I wear, where I live, what I drive, whom I'm fucking,

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01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: what I'm eating, what I'm drinking. I mean, I cannot imagine,

1098
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: you guys, the how onerous it is to sustain this

1099
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: big willie. Back in the day, we used to say,

1100
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: big willy, this big willy lifestyle, you know. I mean,

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01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, so what if you walk down the street

1102
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: and you just want to like, you're not wearing whatever

1103
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: the fuck or whatever the brands are, whatever the sneakers are,

1104
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. You know, I never I never

1105
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: want to be in a position where I'm going to

1106
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: be I take uberpools. I I'm a fucking immigrant. When

1107
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: I look at the four dollar price difference, I'm like,

1108
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: I could afford the four dollars, but I can't prostitutionally

1109
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: as an immigrant, I can't tear a voice in your Yeah,

1110
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: my mother, Yeah, it's my mother going, why don't you

1111
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: take the subway? Right? And I'm like, I'm treating myself

1112
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: to a pool. But just the notion of, you know,

1113
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: going back to authenticity, A lot of that too, I

1114
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: think is not necessarily authentic because I think a lot

1115
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: of the artists out there are spending their money on

1116
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: these things that present a lifestyle. But then, do you

1117
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: own a home, do you have a trust for your children? Right?

1118
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: Where is your money parked? Right? So you might not

1119
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: you might not go into the stock market or whatever,

1120
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: but is it somewhere Because some of these guys, millions

1121
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: of dollars will go through their hands and leave their hands,

1122
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: and that's okay. Look, if I was a nineteen year

1123
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: old kid, I'd spend the ship out of my money.

1124
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: I would be I would be I would be off

1125
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: the chain. That would be all the rails, I would

1126
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: be foolish, right, But the notion that I now, oh,

1127
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: fuck you, guys, I gotta post. Hang on, I gotta

1128
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: go buy these shoes. Hang on, I gotta go do

1129
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: I gotta go do that. That's a lot. I gotta

1130
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: posed by this, like villa. Yeah, I've got to be

1131
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: in a G five. Well, yeah, I performing my friends

1132
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: from TV are also my friends in reality j Yeah.

1133
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: Well yeah, And I think that's sort of That's why

1134
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: I think the Instagram is that it's the perfect sales

1135
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: tool because it sells people on seemingly authentic versions of life.

1136
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: Because people it's like, well a person posted that, not

1137
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: person with a stylist, fucking whole marketing plant, and lighting

1138
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: was yeah, lighting who has someone probably editing the photo itself,

1139
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: so probably has deals going with brands to figure out

1140
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: like Okay, well here's the deal. We'll get you to

1141
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: this location and then do subtle things and that kind

1142
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: of helps, you know, create this thing of longing through

1143
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: your your phone screen. Yeah, and it's even worse for women,

1144
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: right right, So okay, take that picture by get rid

1145
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: of all my age spots, guys, get rid of the

1146
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: bags under my eyes and get rid of the wrinkles

1147
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: and everything. And I'm going to get surgery and I'm

1148
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: going to do all this and I'm gonna, you know,

1149
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: my tids are gonna be bigger, and my waist is

1150
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: going to be smaller, my ass is going to be bigger.

1151
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: And and no shade to anybody that does this, I'm

1152
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying. But we are living in

1153
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: a time where there where we can actually buy a

1154
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: certain kind of beauty. Right, So if we if if

1155
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: we have the means, and we're all going towards, frankly,

1156
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: what I think is a very a narrow right, the

1157
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: definition of beauty. Well, first of all, we're gonna become

1158
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: more homogeneous, which I never like. Right, And then what

1159
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: does it mean for me raising a daughter who was

1160
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: a yellow girl again in a white world, right, who

1161
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: does not fit into this paradigm of beauty? How do

1162
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: I tell her if she says to me, and she

1163
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: never would, but if she said to me, mommy, I

1164
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: want to get this job or that job or whatever,

1165
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, the things that we have to addle and

1166
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: so to be a famous woman too, like nobody gives

1167
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: a funk, what a man eats. Okay, nobody gives a fuck.

1168
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: But if somebody sees an actress, let's say she's a

1169
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: thin actress and she's eating a cheeseburger, Like what that's

1170
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: a fucking story? Now, who gives all? She's brave? Yeah, right, exactly,

1171
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: she's brave for eating what she wants. Exactly. We're human beings, yeah, yeah,

1172
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: oh man, it's uh yeah, And I think also, like

1173
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: growing up in l a, man, I've I see how

1174
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: quickly people's ship gets poisoned by this like performative. I've

1175
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: heard that too, like wealth ship and it's yeah, it's

1176
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: and the beauty right, like if I'm gonna go out

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01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be on the red car, but

1178
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: you know what, Sophia is not quite pretty. You know what,

1179
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: I think I have to upgrade from Sophia, right right, right,

1180
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: I've got to get somebody who's younger and thinner. Yes,

1181
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, they're like, oh well, like I can't pull

1182
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: up to a party with you because you're a college

1183
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: to that's right. And I can't pull up in this

1184
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: car either, yeah exactly, Like okay, what you canna park

1185
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: your prelude around the corner, right, Yeah, we'll act like

1186
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: our limo broke down. Okay, that goes mom. I rid

1187
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: the city bike in New York. Yeah, and I take

1188
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: Gouber pools there we go. I mean, but that's the thing, like, right,

1189
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: I think it's about people being able to realign what

1190
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: makes them happy or redefine what makes them happy. I

1191
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: think because we have because consumer culture makes us think

1192
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: when I attain X, then I will be happy. That's

1193
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: not I will be happy, right then I can attain whatever,

1194
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: and and those things have to be the gravy, not

1195
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: the meat, right Like my X and I talked about

1196
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: this in my memoir is a thirty four generation Shallon Monk.

1197
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: And when we started seeing each other, I you know completely.

1198
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: I was a stylist and he started wearing product sport

1199
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and he looked really great. And

1200
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: I remember people looking at skance at him and they're like, oh,

1201
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know that Buddhist monks could wear a product

1202
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: like you know what suck a deck call me because

1203
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: it's not about it's not about him wearing the product.

1204
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,439
Speaker 1: It's about him being attached to it. And he would

1205
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: never be attached right right, right right, he fucking slept

1206
01:06:55,720 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: on a concrete floor for I don't think he's gonna

1207
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: care if you can't wear a fucking product jacket tomorrow.

1208
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: It's like not having running water will kind of do

1209
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: that to you, exactly, exactly the notion. It's not about

1210
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: having it for me, it's about I have to actively

1211
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: exercise not being attached to it. And I think that

1212
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: what's really really important for us spiritually and just for

1213
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: our soul and our internal happiness is to not let

1214
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: the external world define it. Am I happy if I

1215
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: buy a new pair of shoes, Sure I am, But

1216
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: does that define my happiness or define me? Of course

1217
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: it does, because if if the shoes are taken away

1218
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: and it sucks you up, then right, that's exactly what happen.

1219
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: It's the same thing with praise, right of getting too

1220
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: attached to people's praise. It's like, yes, that can feel good,

1221
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: but if that becomes your be all, end all, what

1222
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: do you do when that you no longer hear that?

1223
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: Right we have from It's like it's a good reminder,

1224
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: but I don't need that. I don't feed off. That's

1225
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: not my fucking oxygen. Exactly. You have to have your

1226
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: your internal barometer and your internal compass have to be

1227
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: so fucking solid and then all of it is like

1228
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: you take it and it comes and it goes and

1229
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: it's water. Baby, Yeah, exactly, It's like Bruce Lee, you

1230
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: like water, My friend, well, Sophia, it has been a

1231
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: pleasure having you on the daily Guys. Where can people

1232
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: find you and follow you? So I am for me

1233
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: because I'm a rapper Instagram. Instagram is definitely where I

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01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: um am the most vocal and visible. That's soaf Chang

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Speaker 1: n y C s O p h C h A

1236
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Speaker 1: n G n y C. That is also where you

1237
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: can find me on Facebook. And my Twitter handle is

1238
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: soaf Chang and my website is soaf Chang dot com.

1239
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: And again those hoodies are at bonfire dot com. Slash

1240
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: Baddest Bitch in the Room in the book too, and

1241
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: the book and the audiobook is available only on audible

1242
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: dot com. Shout out to my Audible team. Uh and

1243
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 1: is there a tweet or some other work of social

1244
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: media you've been enjoying? So there is a tweet that

1245
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: somebody posted. I think her name is bo Ran b

1246
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 1: O r e n and her Twitter handle is bo

1247
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: Safina b as in boy O s E F I

1248
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 1: n A. And she said, my parents were tasked with

1249
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: the job of survival and I with self actualization. The

1250
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: immigrant generational gap is real. What a luxury it is

1251
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: to search for purpose, meaning and fulfillment. I found that

1252
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:52,480
Speaker 1: so profound for first gen immigrants. You know, you realize

1253
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: that your parents it was all about survival. That's right,

1254
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: it was. It was about survival for them and providing

1255
01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: the best life for their children. You know, I've been

1256
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: having this conversation a lot with my first generation immigrant friends.

1257
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 1: You know, did you ever ask your mother if she

1258
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: was happy? No? Yeah, none of us did. Did you

1259
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: guys ever talk about her internal life or what her

1260
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: dreams were? I mean, you know, it's funny. My mom

1261
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: had a kind of she was luckily empowered. My grandfather

1262
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: was like a German philosophy professor. He was really into philosophy,

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Speaker 1: and he very much instilled in her like go go

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Speaker 1: do what the funk you want so But at the

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Speaker 1: same but then she has that guilt to that sort

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Speaker 1: of in built of like, well do I go do what?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm saying it, but do what? And I

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Speaker 1: can feel that even because I think my Mom would

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Speaker 1: like to be a novelist, but she writes she's a

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Speaker 1: film critic. So it's kind of like that thing that

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Speaker 1: scratches the itch but might not be the thing deep down,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I mean, how many how

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Speaker 1: many First Asian immigrants do I know that went into

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Speaker 1: the artistic field? I know a lot because this is

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Speaker 1: the field that I'm in, but most of us lawyer, doctor, scholar,

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Speaker 1: engine right, it's just and so how do you deviate

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Speaker 1: from that path when your parents have made these profound sacrifice?

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Speaker 1: You know, Mom, I want to be a sculptor. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I better sculpt that report card in a four point

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, exactly. I got a sculpture for you, fucking

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Speaker 1: lawnmower outside, get to work, sculpt that lawn. Miles. Where

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Speaker 1: can people find? You? Find me on Twitter and Instagram

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Speaker 1: at Miles of Gray A few tweets I like, uh,

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Speaker 1: this is from at Drive four or five music. It

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Speaker 1: says my girlfriend just added uncooked pasta to cold water

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Speaker 1: and then turned on the stove. And when I said

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Speaker 1: she should boil the water before adding pasta, she said, literally,

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Speaker 1: all men are the same. That's hilarious for everything to

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Speaker 1: also reductress reduct Reductor's quiz, are you even good enough

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Speaker 1: to have imposture syndrome? That's so good, I think, are

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Speaker 1: you sure? Another reductors how to keep things casual so

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Speaker 1: he doesn't make you watch the sopranos um. And lastly,

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Speaker 1: Wheel of Fortune answers at w O f answers, they

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Speaker 1: basically show like Wheel of Fortune grids after the first

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Speaker 1: letters shouted out. So in this one it looks like

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Speaker 1: a long ass word and the first letter called out

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Speaker 1: was tee. There's only four t s in it, and

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Speaker 1: the tweet says the answer is titty sucking potato mouth.

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Speaker 1: That's what would have fit in those words I'd like

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Speaker 1: to solve. Uh. Eli at eli un tweeted, WHOA just

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Speaker 1: got my results back from twenty three and me turns

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Speaker 1: out one not supposed to send in urine. Uh I'm

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Speaker 1: not supposed to send That's hilarious. You can find a

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Speaker 1: Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: daily Zeitgeist, where at the Daily Zeygeist on Instagram. We

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Speaker 1: have a Facebook fan page on a website Daily zygeis

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Speaker 1: dot com where we post our episodes and our footnote

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Speaker 1: where we link off to the information that we talked

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Speaker 1: about today's episode, as well as the song we ride

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Speaker 1: out on Miles, what's that gonna be? Let's do a

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Speaker 1: track from E. S G. From the South Bronx wonderful band.

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Speaker 1: We've played a lot of like maybe one or two

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Speaker 1: of their songs before, but this song you Make No Sense.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just fitting for right now. Why shouldn't

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Speaker 1: make sense? So this is E. S G. You Make

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Speaker 1: No Sense? Such a I mean man, the samples that

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Speaker 1: they've given hip hop. Alright, we're gonna write out on

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Speaker 1: that daily Zeitgeist is a production by Heart Radio. For

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Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows. That's going to do it. For today, we'll

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Speaker 1: be back to Marrow because its day the podcast. Coon'll

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Speaker 1: talk you that. Bye bye. M You make no you

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Speaker 1: make no sense. You make no, you make no sense?

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Speaker 1: Take you do you you mad? You make no Sensit

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Speaker 1: all me you may do you do you you make

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Speaker 1: you make