Speaker 1: I can tell you, guys, the saga of the squeaky shoe.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what what? I've gone on quite a journey
Speaker 1: with a pair of boots. Oh I know about these boots.
Speaker 1: You wore them to a con. You kept talking about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, I I uh as a squeaky belt,
Speaker 2: I do. The algorithm is just like nailed me so
Speaker 2: thoroughly that like every other thing on Instagram or like
Speaker 2: any ad.
Speaker 1: Is just boots. And I'm like, right, God, am I
Speaker 1: that predictable? Yes? I am that predictable.
Speaker 2: So for a while I had like my brand I'm
Speaker 2: not going to say brand names because you know, I
Speaker 2: just it's not worth it.
Speaker 1: Because they're not saying you yeah, well no.
Speaker 2: It's also just there's good, there's bad, there's all kinds
Speaker 2: of feelings. So I had like my go to company
Speaker 2: that I found like ten years ago.
Speaker 1: It was this European boot company, and I just loved
Speaker 1: their boots.
Speaker 2: But they would last about a year and a half
Speaker 2: a year, maybe a year, and then.
Speaker 1: You know what, I bet they're expensive.
Speaker 2: Like these were one hundred and fifty two hundred boots.
Speaker 1: Right, so not not only worth a year exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, That's what I started to realize is I was like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, I'm fine because I would buy like
Speaker 2: two or three different looks.
Speaker 1: I got through two or three different boots. But I
Speaker 1: was like, but then they'd win. Yeah, you beat your
Speaker 1: beach boots and then your regular boots right X, your
Speaker 1: summer boots, summer boots, fall boots that go with shorts,
Speaker 1: right exactly, rain proof boot.
Speaker 2: No, you know what the secret to that company's boots were.
Speaker 2: They always had a zipper on the.
Speaker 1: Side, right, don't have to relate something big thing.
Speaker 2: So okay, so that was my company. That was my
Speaker 2: and then I had that realization. I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker 2: I'm like I think I'm getting a deal here, but
Speaker 2: actually having to do this every year. So it's like
Speaker 2: I started looking into like there's this whole world of
Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest boots, which are like there's like boots four
Speaker 2: or five companies that have been around forever. They handmake
Speaker 2: all their things. You have to like special order, you
Speaker 2: get to pick the you know. But it's like we're
Speaker 2: talking then we're talking five hundred dollars plus for a
Speaker 2: pair of boots. And I like debated this over and
Speaker 2: over like conversations with Alex, like can I do this?
Speaker 2: Can't you know, can't I spend this kind of money
Speaker 2: on a pa.
Speaker 1: Am I fee worthy of a splurge? And call Zurich
Speaker 1: move some money around.
Speaker 2: And then a job came in or something happened, where
Speaker 2: like it was like I had done well, like i'd
Speaker 2: gotten I'd done well for the household. And it's was like,
Speaker 2: all right, if you're gonna buy the boots, now's the time.
Speaker 2: So I find the pair. You know, I had been
Speaker 2: going on websites. I mean, this is like free time.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. Now I just don't allow myself to do this.
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, so I found the boots. I knew
Speaker 2: the thing, ordered took a while to get there. Finally
Speaker 2: get these boots, put them on my feet are killing me?
Speaker 1: Oh no. So they're like for like any women days.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh my god, what have I done.
Speaker 2: I've heard all these things are heavy, They're like, you know,
Speaker 2: they're so well made.
Speaker 1: I'm so impressed. But you've already spoken to Atticus who
Speaker 1: made them himself.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know, I'm so yeah. Now I'm like,
Speaker 2: do I have to call Atticus? Is thisbbler. Immediately I'm
Speaker 2: like I have I'm just the biggest sucker in the world.
Speaker 1: Like I am just the biggest.
Speaker 2: Sucker in the world.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, like.
Speaker 2: What am I gonna do? Like I can't now. I
Speaker 2: just feel like such an idiot. I spent all this
Speaker 2: money and Alex Is like, well, look it up online.
Speaker 2: So I'm looking up and sure enough it's a thing.
Speaker 2: The first week.
Speaker 1: The first week sucks. Yeah, I gonna start.
Speaker 2: Pain and I'm like, God, this sucks, Like I have to,
Speaker 2: like I have to do this, yes, and then they mold.
Speaker 1: To your feet, ay three or four right a creative and.
Speaker 2: Like now I'm like I am Oh, I've been through it.
Speaker 2: I have been through it with these boots. These are
Speaker 2: these are my rider Die boots. Everything is great about
Speaker 2: these boots, except the metal goes off every time I travel.
Speaker 2: They're not metal toe. They's just enough metal in them
Speaker 2: because there's like nails and who the hell knows what
Speaker 2: they're putting it. But yeah, exactly, it's not so I
Speaker 2: can't travel with them, which is when you want your
Speaker 2: durable awesome a lifetime explain the situation. But still, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm gonna I'm just gonna take my shoes off.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be worth it, right.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I was in Ireland two weeks ago catching
Speaker 2: up with some of my old friends and uh, we
Speaker 2: got into a shoe discussion and I started telling because
Speaker 2: I had brought them all the way because I knew
Speaker 2: we were going to do some hiking, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm bringing the real things. I'm going to take them
Speaker 2: off at the TSA. I'm going to deal with it whatever.
Speaker 2: And I'm bragging about the boots and they're like looking
Speaker 2: at them, were like, yeah, the And then.
Speaker 1: We take a walk and we're walking and we all
Speaker 1: three of us hear this.
Speaker 2: And they're like, what's uh, what's it?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's uh, it's my left boot. It's squeaky.
Speaker 1: And we did a lot of walking on this trip and.
Speaker 2: I was like I spoke too soon. My squeaky boot.
Speaker 1: Was like there was it was all I could hear,
Speaker 1: and it was a person on your trip.
Speaker 2: And now I came home and I was like, no,
Speaker 2: you know what I hear baby powder? You just baby
Speaker 2: powdered on the inside. No, I can't get rid of the.
Speaker 1: Squeaky I don't know what to do. Guys, I still
Speaker 1: love these shoes. No, I've tried all different kinds of socks.
Speaker 2: I mean now my next step is like a leather
Speaker 2: conditioner that I can like put on there. But like
Speaker 2: I think it's just I don't know. But like, do
Speaker 2: I do I send it back to Atticus?
Speaker 1: Do I say? I think? I think you need to
Speaker 1: call Atticus and say I think this boot is haunted? Right?
Speaker 1: Does the tree they cobble in have cell service?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I got to I've got to send a telegram or messenger.
Speaker 1: She was speaking stop in condition.
Speaker 2: It's just I just because my immediate thing is like, oh,
Speaker 2: I guess I got to buy another pair or pay
Speaker 2: for them to repair it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, how much am I investing in these boots?
Speaker 1: I love them? But how they get you? That's how
Speaker 1: they get you. How they get you.
Speaker 2: It's the some cost fallacy, right, It's like, because I
Speaker 2: spent so much money, now I feel like I have to.
Speaker 1: Keep get to you. But here is the truth about what,
Speaker 1: at least how the way it should be when you
Speaker 1: spend really good money for a high quality product. The
Speaker 1: truth is you should be able to call the company
Speaker 1: and say love it love these boots. I am extremely
Speaker 1: loyal to the brand. Now, a couple of things. One,
Speaker 1: do you make a boot that won't make me take
Speaker 1: my boots off at TSA travel? You know? Can I
Speaker 1: can I keep my boots on?
Speaker 2: Is there?
Speaker 1: Do you have a less metal version? And if they
Speaker 1: say no, you're the first person to mention that, then
Speaker 1: say could you think about it? Because I am real
Speaker 1: loyal to this brand, but the one problem for me
Speaker 1: is that I set off the metal detector. And then two,
Speaker 1: a boot I've now had for X number of months
Speaker 1: is squeaking? Is there something I can do? Do you
Speaker 1: have any recommendations leather conditioner? I've tried this, I've tried
Speaker 1: that and see what they say. They may say, ah,
Speaker 1: here's the perfect solution for it, or they may say,
Speaker 1: well that's interesting, never heard that before. Send it back
Speaker 1: to us. We'll fix it for you. But you deserve
Speaker 1: a level of customer service at a certain price point
Speaker 1: that I think is okay for you to just kind
Speaker 1: of expect to be there. And if you end up
Speaker 1: being terribly disappointed, well then these are just not on
Speaker 1: my podcast.
Speaker 3: Exactly. Have you tried w D forty your entire foot
Speaker 3: it's your foot. Maybe it's just squeaky foot.
Speaker 1: By the way, I should my foot off to make
Speaker 1: the work.
Speaker 3: Just first of all, the pain in your feet for
Speaker 3: the first couple of days is something that men very
Speaker 3: rarely have to deal with, but apparently in the women
Speaker 3: is to the point where whenever Susan gets new shoes
Speaker 3: and we go somewhere, she'll put on the shoes, look
Speaker 3: at me, and go the clock has started, yes, meaning
Speaker 3: we have an hour and a half for dinner.
Speaker 1: Because after that, those are dinner shoes. Those are shoes
Speaker 1: that are only acceptable to wear to dinner because you
Speaker 1: can only wear them from the valet into the restaurant
Speaker 1: and then out of the restaurant back to the valet.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm learning. Yeah, But the other thing we
Speaker 1: like to do is buy a pair of shoes. The
Speaker 1: other thing I let. Yeah, of course, when you're in
Speaker 1: your dinner shoes, you can't walk on the street, you
Speaker 1: can't take your extra steps when you're in your dinner
Speaker 1: shoes exactly. But you you buy a pair of shoes
Speaker 1: and you put them on, and you wear them around
Speaker 1: the house for a few days, so that you get
Speaker 1: the blisters and the pain and you wear them out
Speaker 1: in your house like a week or two before your event,
Speaker 1: so that hopefully on the night of your event it's
Speaker 1: not so bad. I will have a squeaky bet as well.
Speaker 1: You want a whole outfit? Wait? Wait, how does your
Speaker 1: belt squeakly every time you take a step or something
Speaker 1: just moving multiple places. I've been with you a few times.
Speaker 1: I've been like, oh, you're were in the squeaky belt,
Speaker 1: and You're like, yeah, it's my belt. You got to
Speaker 1: get a new belt at that point, Like I got it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know. Will, I got a target.
Speaker 1: It holds my pants up. Conversation and the conversation. He
Speaker 1: has a belt.
Speaker 3: It's not only that, but if you turn it this way,
Speaker 3: it goes from black to brown in.
Speaker 1: One Yeah, but you can, okay anyway. I just want
Speaker 1: I just I just would like that when we are
Speaker 1: all together next, I would like to be miked and
Speaker 1: I want to have you on one side of Will's
Speaker 1: squeaky belt and riders squeaky shoe, and I'll be dressed
Speaker 1: like a fifteen year old skater boy exactly. Just this one.
Speaker 1: Spent seven dollars on two belts in one and this
Speaker 1: one's five hundred dollars on boots and squeaks. So wow. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Daniel Fishl, I'm Writer Strong,
Speaker 1: and I'm Wilfredell. Welcome to today's episode recap. It is
Speaker 1: season five episode twenty Starry Night. It originally aired April third,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight. The synopsis when Tapanga goes to an
Speaker 1: art exhibit with Angela, she meets a charming guy who
Speaker 1: threatens to break up Corey and Topanga forever. It was
Speaker 1: directed by Jeff McCracken. It was written by Barry Safcheck.
Speaker 1: Not only his first Boy Meets World script, it was
Speaker 1: his first script ever. He'd continue to write on the
Speaker 1: show through season seven, and has since went on to
Speaker 1: produce and write for shows like Weeds, Sullivan and Son,
Speaker 1: and Grayson Frankie. Do you guys remember Barry? Of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, yes, we sure did. We saw him at
Speaker 1: Matt's funeral not that long ago.
Speaker 3: His wife was also, we'll get into it, did a
Speaker 3: couple episodes on her show as an actor.
Speaker 1: She's already done one? Was she already did one? Okay,
Speaker 1: yeah she was, So he was already.
Speaker 2: Around I guess by season four because he was friends
Speaker 2: with Michael, so he was already sort of around, hovering joined.
Speaker 2: I don't think he even was in the staff this season.
Speaker 1: Oh really, do you think this was like an outside script? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he might have gotten the script and
Speaker 2: then when Yeah, but but he was always around, like
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, those last the last three or
Speaker 2: four years of the show, he was around. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: his wife Ricky, Yeah, Ricky right was her name?
Speaker 1: Ricky? Yes. Well that's so confusing because in this Starry
Speaker 1: Night episode we've got Jonathan Jackson playing Ricky. But before
Speaker 1: I get into that, what are your overall thoughts, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: squeaky gentlemen, beautiful episode. I think this is Jeff McCracken's
Speaker 1: just it's gorgeous and blocking in the museum camera move
Speaker 1: monkey bars so cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, And then I just couldn't stand everything else
Speaker 2: the storyline.
Speaker 3: I disagree with you entirely. I thought it looked terrible.
Speaker 3: I thought it looked terrible. I thought the the the
Speaker 3: the the outside fine, the outside time glowing art.
Speaker 1: The art museum looked bad. The actual museum, dual.
Speaker 3: Museum looked like there's white walls and then you put
Speaker 3: paintings up, let's shoot it. It was so white and ridiculous,
Speaker 3: to the point where Danielle at times looked superimposed. It
Speaker 3: was I and then the storyline and everything about it
Speaker 3: was this was one of the favorite episodes.
Speaker 2: I found it super intentional, like that that look and
Speaker 2: that feeling like it felt like it felt like the
Speaker 2: characters are entering like a void to have a discussion,
Speaker 2: like I thought it was actually very cool, like and
Speaker 2: you never could you never felt like centered, Like you
Speaker 2: never knew where you were in the museum. It was
Speaker 2: like it was like to me, it was the perfect
Speaker 2: way to visualize what was happening there was like you
Speaker 2: enter this space, you never know where you are, you
Speaker 2: never like I don't know it actually was effective, maybe not,
Speaker 2: but it felt it felt like non sitcom staging.
Speaker 1: It felt like non sitcom blocking. It felt like really
Speaker 1: bad soap opera staging.
Speaker 2: Maybe the whole like a soap opera to me, that
Speaker 2: one right at that, But but I'm just talking about visually.
Speaker 2: I liked the break from sitcom into this weird like
Speaker 2: void space for these conversations, and it was it was
Speaker 2: just cool to see, Like I like that and then.
Speaker 1: Of course, Yeah, I thought the jib stuff outside on.
Speaker 2: The monkey Bars was really pretty great and and even
Speaker 2: like the me and Ben and the old timey photos.
Speaker 2: I know, so there was a lot that I liked
Speaker 2: as far as just the look and feel.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, really just a frustrating episodes.
Speaker 2: Like and yeah, really hard to wrap my head around
Speaker 2: and get comfortable with.
Speaker 1: And it's a bummer, man. I just I guess I'm
Speaker 1: just not in the cory to bank account.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess it doesn't matter anymore because now
Speaker 2: they're just together, right or I don't know, I guess
Speaker 2: we still write on the album.
Speaker 3: But the whole destiny, you know, all of it, we've talked,
Speaker 3: so that to me is also the destiny thing I've
Speaker 3: just kind of given up on.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, fine, that's great. But when they
Speaker 1: bring in now.
Speaker 3: This new character that's like a caricature of everything to
Speaker 3: Pangus should let I'm taking a year off in Faris
Speaker 3: because of seventeen and working with blind puppies, It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: the Love of God is a real person.
Speaker 2: It was real.
Speaker 1: It was definitely in my opinion, it was definitely written
Speaker 1: by a bunch of men who had to imagine what
Speaker 1: a woman would want, what a women want. They want
Speaker 1: this guy. They're sensitive and they're like grdis types.
Speaker 2: Here he is.
Speaker 1: It was the whole episode was full, the most melodramatic episode,
Speaker 1: and it really again bums me out that I feel
Speaker 1: like we were really missing a woman's voice writing for
Speaker 1: this storyline for Topanga. And I know there were women
Speaker 1: on the writing staff. We have more women this season
Speaker 1: than we had ever had, but maybe they were women
Speaker 1: who came in in season five and didn't necessarily know
Speaker 1: Topanga very well or us. Really no tongst.
Speaker 2: Angela episode ever agreed to is un and every time
Speaker 2: she opens her mouth, I was like, thank God, Like
Speaker 2: somebody's talking like a human being. Somebody's getting left, somebody
Speaker 2: has character and perspective, is reacting to things like Corey
Speaker 2: and Topanga are both just like these heady concepts walking
Speaker 2: around thinking like that's all this episode is. And it's
Speaker 2: like what And it feels like one person having an
Speaker 2: argument with him or herself himself and like that's all
Speaker 2: it is, Like I mean, it's I mean we talked
Speaker 2: about in.
Speaker 1: The earlier episodes.
Speaker 2: I was like, what where the consistency of like what
Speaker 2: Corey thinks and what Tapanga things and how they feel
Speaker 2: about it is just seen by scene, moment to moment,
Speaker 2: completely up for grabs, and it's just like, right, this
Speaker 2: is just therapy. This is just somebody talking out like
Speaker 2: how to think about love and God and relationships, and
Speaker 2: it's just like having a conversation with yourself, and it's
Speaker 2: just like and from moments, I'm like, but this doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense, none of us.
Speaker 1: So it's just I don't know.
Speaker 3: I want to say about Trina, And it was what
Speaker 3: I was thinking I was watching, and it is such
Speaker 3: a backhanded, egotistical compliment for myself. It sounds ridiculous, how
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it, But every time she ca it
Speaker 3: was like she was the breath of fresh air that.
Speaker 1: Eric usually brings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, so she would come on and it was
Speaker 3: just like, just like you said, Ryder, it was like, oh, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: like someone grounded in reality.
Speaker 1: It's actually part of the world. And so is so
Speaker 1: good the standout highlight of this episode in every single moment,
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more, hands down the best. So let's
Speaker 1: get into our guest stars. We have teen heartthrob Jonathan
Speaker 1: Jackson as the debonair artist Ricky Ferris. It's his first
Speaker 1: of two Boy Meets World episodes, and our listeners know
Speaker 1: Jonathan from his first job ever on a movie we recapped,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four's Camp Nowhere. He would later appear in
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolans Insomnia, and he'd played Jesse Tuck in Tuck Everlasting.
Speaker 1: But he's best known as Avery Berkley on over one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty episodes of Nashville and Lucky Spencer on
Speaker 1: over four hundred episodes of General Hospital My God, a
Speaker 1: role he just recently returned to. He is also singing
Speaker 1: and touring all over the place, most recently as part
Speaker 1: of a Nashville reunion.
Speaker 2: So he was already doing General Hospital.
Speaker 1: When he came on. Yeh, he had already won like
Speaker 1: an Emmy for General Hospital and he came on.
Speaker 2: Okay, it makes perfect sense, right, bring this, Bring the
Speaker 2: soap opera actor for the episode.
Speaker 1: Correct. And then we have Randy Thompson as he's been
Speaker 1: seen on tons of TV shows including Home Improvement, Ellen,
Speaker 1: Ally mcbeil and mad Men. We have Stephanie Patton as
Speaker 1: a toddler. It was her first acting job ever and
Speaker 1: Her next job would be as Britney Baker, playing Mary
Speaker 1: McCormick's daughter in the movie Deep Impact. She would later
Speaker 1: show up on the Bernie mac Show, Yes Dear, Cold
Speaker 1: Case and Medium, but it appears she got out of
Speaker 1: the business in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3: So wait, you said this was her first thing ever. Yes, okay,
Speaker 3: and Lintle answers my question. I thought she was, I
Speaker 3: thought when she runs by and he goes to Panga. Yes,
Speaker 3: I thought they brought the little girl back who played
Speaker 3: little to Panga right now, and that's what the joke was.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh right, and so okay. That answers
Speaker 3: a question.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask them, no different girl. And
Speaker 1: then we have Joanna McCracken as Joanna Jeff's daughter in
Speaker 1: the museum. She's the girl who has one line at
Speaker 1: the looking at a painting. And then we have Katie
Speaker 1: Stern as girl and that's her only credit ever. Okay, girl.
Speaker 1: So jumping into our recap, we find ourselves in the
Speaker 1: park near a playground where some kids are playing. We
Speaker 1: land on Corey and Sean, who were sitting on a bench.
Speaker 2: So I didn't remember remember like when we saw this
Speaker 2: set in the previous episodes.
Speaker 1: I thought it was an.
Speaker 2: Told us and then here this is then here and
Speaker 2: I hear I shot on it.
Speaker 1: No recollection of it. Where this is?
Speaker 2: This is somewhere on the CBS Radford lot, I guess,
Speaker 2: but I think it's over.
Speaker 3: So like if you came out of our dressing rooms,
Speaker 3: took a right, took another right past third Rock from
Speaker 3: the run, and went all the way down to the
Speaker 3: bungalows on the left, and I think on the right
Speaker 3: hand side there was like a little area that was
Speaker 3: kind of like a suburb area quote unquote. I think
Speaker 3: that's where we shot over there. No, no, no, so
Speaker 3: the park the parking lots here. So if you came
Speaker 3: out of our dressing rooms and you took a left
Speaker 3: and with pass segn felt, oh right, keep going past
Speaker 3: that and another left you go to the gate.
Speaker 1: But if you kept going straight, that's a suburb suburb. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think there's a park there. There's a little
Speaker 1: park there. Yeah, yeah, gosh, pretty sure. That was a
Speaker 1: great lot. Actually that might. I love that lot. That
Speaker 1: was the absolute best.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was close to Chan Change. Yeah, it was also
Speaker 1: close to Noah's Bagels and uh depars was across the street.
Speaker 1: There's a coffee being nearby. All my favorite things. Just
Speaker 1: love that. I love that lot so much so. Sean admits,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you, Corey. We've been here for a
Speaker 1: full minute and you have not once mentioned to Corey interjects,
Speaker 1: I'll never forget the first time I saw her, Sean.
Speaker 1: Sean rolls his eyes. Oh, here we go. Corey begins
Speaker 1: his story. I was over there on the monkey bars
Speaker 1: and we get this is I guess, another rewriting of history,
Speaker 1: or is this just now where we're going to hear
Speaker 1: for the first time? Really, how Corey Intopanga met on
Speaker 1: the playground before Corey met Sewan and the Lama pen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I can't keep track anymore. I thought they
Speaker 2: said something about a sandbox at one point.
Speaker 1: I think, definitely a sandbox. You're right, definitely a sandbox.
Speaker 1: And there was a story of being in strollers and
Speaker 1: being love. Yes, so who knows you wouldn't be in
Speaker 1: the stroller. I guess you could still be in the
Speaker 1: stroller over three, but and it would be such a
Speaker 1: good joke if they leaned into that.
Speaker 3: Right when we met on the bunky bars, I thought
Speaker 3: it was the sandbo was the sandbox.
Speaker 1: Or I mean it would have been phenomenal, but well
Speaker 1: before TikTok, Sean is perfectly lip syncing every word and expression.
Speaker 1: As Corey continues, I was crying because I didn't know
Speaker 1: how to get down, but she gave me the courage
Speaker 1: to jump. I do enjoy these moments where you, guys,
Speaker 1: this was fun say the same things over and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of physicality which makes it very cute.
Speaker 3: It is you said you don't remember being on the
Speaker 3: set at all. Do you not remember choreographing this with
Speaker 3: Ben even a little bit?
Speaker 1: Huh No?
Speaker 2: I mean this the second I saw it, I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would totally do this like this. This is something
Speaker 2: that Ben and I would have had so much fun with.
Speaker 2: But I don't actually specifically remember this want you know,
Speaker 2: but yeah, this all feels of a piece of like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is my acting relationship with Ben, is that we
Speaker 2: could do this with our eyes. I knew exactly how
Speaker 2: he was going to say it every time, and it
Speaker 2: was always just so fun.
Speaker 1: Sean doesn't miss a single beat, copying every reminiscent detail
Speaker 1: to a tea, then a little girl walks by. Corey
Speaker 1: reaches out for her Topanga. The girl is terrified and
Speaker 1: scurries away, shouting for her mom. Sean yells at him
Speaker 1: to stop. He tells Corey he's being ridiculous, and Corey
Speaker 1: reminds him, we were supposed to go to the museum today.
Speaker 1: Topanga was really excited about this new van Go exhibit.
Speaker 1: He assumed she went without him. Shawn's amused, No, you're
Speaker 1: there with her right now. Why don't you tell the
Speaker 1: monkey bar story again? Because I want to see if
Speaker 1: my head will actually explode. Corey asks if he's just
Speaker 1: a clown here to amuse Sean, giving a light nod
Speaker 1: to the movie Goodfellas. Sean reveals that Angela went to
Speaker 1: the exhibit with Tapanga. Corey shouts back, well, I was
Speaker 1: supposed to go with her. He camped out overnight at
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Museum of Art to beat the rush for tickets,
Speaker 1: and in the morning he was the only guy online.
Speaker 1: Do you remember do you remember those conversations right about
Speaker 1: it being online or online? Then you said it. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, I remember those conversations really, because.
Speaker 2: East coast, East coast line and West coastline in line here.
Speaker 1: Really, okay, you're waiting in line? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And now, of course online you know it.
Speaker 1: Means it means the internet, but you still right.
Speaker 2: You would still say I was I spent two hours
Speaker 2: online waiting for something.
Speaker 1: It depends. Now, see you just change it if you
Speaker 1: add waiting.
Speaker 3: I think it changes where if I am online, that's
Speaker 3: one thing, but it's I'm waiting in line. I think
Speaker 3: both of those are now. But when you were grown,
Speaker 3: I would just be like, no, I'm online, right, I'm waiting.
Speaker 3: Then I'm waiting in line.
Speaker 1: You're waiting in or you're just on it? Correct? Gotcha? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I love I love the weird rules. I'm going to
Speaker 1: write writing it down. Sean points out that he was
Speaker 1: also the only guy online. Corey Size says Philadelphia is
Speaker 1: a cultural vacuum. Sean smiles, That's why my people settled here.
Speaker 2: The transition was like, that's I just love when Sean's
Speaker 2: so confident about his you know, his.
Speaker 1: Background, that proud we haven't had yet.
Speaker 2: We haven't had it for a while, you know, while
Speaker 2: since we've had like all a fourth season was like
Speaker 2: trailer park Sean and like proud of his poverty, and
Speaker 2: we haven't seen that, so it was cool to see, like, ah,
Speaker 2: that attitude come out.
Speaker 1: It's funny. The boys sit on the bench in silence,
Speaker 1: staring off into the distance. Then we're in the Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Art Museum. We get a transition, turning the boys on
Speaker 1: the bench into a sepia toned photo with Corey and
Speaker 1: Sean now dressed in old timey clothes like a paper.
Speaker 2: Boy or somebody still really like I would I would
Speaker 2: pay a lot of money for that.
Speaker 1: I could have that frame photo.
Speaker 2: I just loved it. I was like what taking it?
Speaker 1: I was like, that is so great. It's got to
Speaker 1: be somewhere. Let's reach out to Blazer yea, let's reach
Speaker 1: out to him.
Speaker 2: That was like one of the first times I saw
Speaker 2: a prop and I was like, I really really want that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm having a yogurt cup delivered next week.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: They're gonna cho mountain in your backyard.
Speaker 1: The backyard. Oh, there's a paper boy hat, a vest
Speaker 1: a top hat and high rain boots. But they're sitting
Speaker 1: on the same park bench. This picture is hanging in
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Art Museum. Do you remember taking the picture? Writer,
Speaker 1: No at all, No, but I love this stuff.
Speaker 2: I've always loved like old timey photographs and dressing up
Speaker 2: for stuff like this.
Speaker 1: You have a great one of your family like hanging
Speaker 1: in your house.
Speaker 2: But I can't believe that I don't I don't know
Speaker 2: remember doing this. I mean it just goes to show
Speaker 2: like production days were just so hectic, like I know,
Speaker 2: and this wouldn't have been something we've rehearsed. So what
Speaker 2: I you know, what I remember is rehearsals and the
Speaker 2: and the day of you're like, oh, quick, we need rider,
Speaker 2: bend over here, get in this, change quick, take your book,
Speaker 2: like move on, and so I'm just like, that's you know,
Speaker 2: twenty minutes of your life and then you forget it.
Speaker 1: So totally.
Speaker 3: I have a question about this joke because I didn't
Speaker 3: fully understand it. Is it supposed to be that Tapanga
Speaker 3: sees Corey and Sewan because Corey is on her mind
Speaker 3: all the time, And if that's the joke, I thought
Speaker 3: they were going to cut back when Angela sees it
Speaker 3: and it was going to just be two guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's actually Corey and Sean, So I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily understand what the joke is. Silas Matthews and Ebenezer Hunter. Right,
Speaker 1: but they look so much like Corey Matthews and Sean Hunter.
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't get the joke.
Speaker 2: No, I think, well, it's you know, absurdist, but but
Speaker 2: I do think it kind of plays into the themes
Speaker 2: of the episode. Is like seeing what you you know,
Speaker 2: interpreting the pictures. I like the I like what you're saying. Like,
Speaker 2: I think if we had had photoshop or or two
Speaker 2: other actors, yeah, they I think it would have been
Speaker 2: nice if one Angela looks at it and squints, you
Speaker 2: see it again from two different people, that would have
Speaker 2: been cool. Like, I agree, I think that's more clever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I kind of took it as like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just okay, it's surreal.
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. It was totally just me. I didn't
Speaker 1: understand the joke. Tapega reads the title of the picture
Speaker 1: silas Matthews and Ebenezer Hunter founding Fathers. A confused, Topanga
Speaker 1: and Angela studied the picture very closely. Tapega admits, I
Speaker 1: was supposed to come here with Corey. Everything reminds me
Speaker 1: of him. Angela continues to stare at the picture. Perplexed,
Speaker 1: Topega can't hold it in. I miss him, Angela reminds her,
Speaker 1: You've been waiting forever to see this exhibit. Tapega didn't
Speaker 1: even hear her. How could he talk to another girl
Speaker 1: all night? How could he kiss her? Angela in the
Speaker 1: World's Biggest sweater in case you forgot, she was about
Speaker 1: to have a baby in real life, reiterates Corey said
Speaker 1: it didn't mean anything. It's still not making sense to Topanga,
Speaker 1: he kissed another girl? How could it not mean anything?
Speaker 1: I should have left him up on those monkey bars.
Speaker 1: Angela snaps her fingers to protest not the monkey bars story.
Speaker 1: Tapega can't help but smile while reminiscing, I was in
Speaker 1: the sandbox. Oh sandbox. Oh he had a part of sandbox.
Speaker 1: I was in the sandbox and I saw the cutest little,
Speaker 1: curly haired boy on the monkey to Panga turns to
Speaker 1: see Angela mimicking her story and body language perfectly, just
Speaker 1: like Sean did earlier. To Pega size Okay, just forget it.
Speaker 2: I've already lost track of like where core and to
Speaker 2: Panga are at, because it seems like Tapanga ended the
Speaker 2: relationship pretty confidently. Yes, she did, and not because of
Speaker 2: the kiss, right, Like, so for her to bring up
Speaker 2: the kiss now it's like she brought it. She was
Speaker 2: like he wasn't sure and so that destabilized. Like, really,
Speaker 2: the way the last episode ended was I believed that
Speaker 2: we were meant for each other, and the fact that
Speaker 2: you needed to go spend, you know, go on the
Speaker 2: other day with Lauren indicates to me that that's probably
Speaker 2: not the case and that we're actually so it's and
Speaker 2: then now she's sick, and don't be upset about the kiss,
Speaker 2: like you're upset about you You broke open this notion
Speaker 2: of destiny, like you thought you were meant to be together.
Speaker 2: The fact that he wanted to go be with this
Speaker 2: other girl and had a good time. So I feel
Speaker 2: like Tapanga should start this episode being like it sucks,
Speaker 2: I'm sad, but it's the right thing to do because
Speaker 2: I've made this she put herself into positions.
Speaker 1: Were not right for each other. Obviously right, that is
Speaker 1: exactly where she should be and it is exactly by
Speaker 1: the way, one of my biggest issues with the whole
Speaker 1: episode is like there are things to bank is making
Speaker 1: very clear throughout this episode that loyalty is the most
Speaker 1: important thing to her, not just in another person, even
Speaker 1: for herself. She is fully broken up with Corey, and
Speaker 1: even then she's saying, it's gonna be so weird to
Speaker 1: go out with someone else. I still feel like I
Speaker 1: belong to Corey. If I go out with him, that
Speaker 1: really means it's over. Like loyalty is so clearly important
Speaker 1: to her, and yet she's in a relationship and she's
Speaker 1: completely hung up on somebody who has shown her he
Speaker 1: does not have loyalty as one of his strong suits
Speaker 1: at all, at least not in their relationship. He does
Speaker 1: for Sean, he does not for their relationship. So yes,
Speaker 1: I wish she was saying, you know, I really thought
Speaker 1: it was so sure that we were meant for each other,
Speaker 1: but he obviously wasn't as sure. And I want to
Speaker 1: be with someone who feels about me the same way
Speaker 1: I feel about them, and it's okay, it's all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna but no, we're not.
Speaker 3: No, I thought the same thing, if if, because they
Speaker 3: also could have had another very cool not B story,
Speaker 3: but an a minus or sub a story going on
Speaker 3: where Sean and which shows Sean and Angela really bonding
Speaker 3: over this because they both want to get Corey and
Speaker 3: Topanga back together. So if you reverse it, and it's
Speaker 3: it's Angela going like you were supposed to come here
Speaker 3: with Corey and Topanga going, can we please, I don't
Speaker 3: want to talk about him.
Speaker 1: We're I'm moving on, I'm having a great life.
Speaker 3: That it changes the whole thing, and then Sean and
Speaker 3: Angela do a drive byke this ain't work and we
Speaker 3: gotta try something new, all right, so you have to
Speaker 3: do you know, but it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't it was now we're gone backwards again with Topang.
Speaker 2: It's just think they just wanted to get the exposition
Speaker 2: out about what happened, you know, like because obviously people
Speaker 2: who order and whatever, so it's not serialized. So but
Speaker 2: you have to establish that he cheated and that that's
Speaker 2: like the st but but that isn't the source of
Speaker 2: the trouble. Like you can get through that exposition and
Speaker 2: then have her say, I'm you know, it's it's not
Speaker 2: about kissing somebody else.
Speaker 1: It's about the need to see somebody else, or.
Speaker 2: You know, like what was I guess I guess the
Speaker 2: problem for me is that that journey was just so
Speaker 2: spelled out like that that it wasn't the cheating, it
Speaker 2: was the line, and it was a letter, and then
Speaker 2: the need to.
Speaker 1: See her dead.
Speaker 2: It was like stepped that out through three episodes to
Speaker 2: very clearly specify what it is that bothered to Panga,
Speaker 2: and so for her to be bothered now about the kiss,
Speaker 2: you know, talking to him, No.
Speaker 1: I know, there's also so much more depth than what
Speaker 1: actually bothered her. Then yes, it's a nuanced we you know.
Speaker 2: This episode just takes a sledgehammer to the entire relationship
Speaker 2: because it just becomes about destiny or and it meant
Speaker 2: to be together.
Speaker 3: The only word that was going through I had the
Speaker 3: entire time watching this episode was cartoony.
Speaker 1: Everything was cartoony.
Speaker 3: They just took everything and it was just yeah, just
Speaker 3: became a big caricature of the whole relationship. Again when
Speaker 3: he comes in and is just like this two D
Speaker 3: image of the guy with the earring and.
Speaker 1: What do you think of this? It was just like,
Speaker 1: oh god, it was just bad. Nearby, two other girls
Speaker 1: are admiring a van go painting. Tapanga and Angela walk
Speaker 1: up behind them, and Topanga is obviously captivated by the piece.
Speaker 1: The other girls leave unamused. Topanga stairs at the van go,
Speaker 1: but something else catches Angela's eye. You want to talk
Speaker 1: about emotion, check out the motion coming this way. It's
Speaker 1: a mystery boy and a blazer making a bee line
Speaker 1: for Tapanga. Angela admits, Oh lord, I forget my name.
Speaker 1: She introduces herself, Hi, I'm Nancy or something, which all
Speaker 1: the energy.
Speaker 2: I was like, she does it every time.
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, I know, and it's so good,
Speaker 1: and yet it's supposed to be Topanga who's being swept
Speaker 1: off her feet, and it's just like, I just.
Speaker 2: I really hope that they give because I like, I
Speaker 2: feel like, up until now, they have not given Trina
Speaker 2: like this much to do, Like she needed to drive
Speaker 2: the scene. She doesn't need to drive the comedy. She's
Speaker 2: always reactive. She's always kind of eye rolling at Sean
Speaker 2: or Corey or whatever. And when they give her this,
Speaker 2: it's great. She's Oh, you're a great sickcarm actor. And
Speaker 2: I don't think she got many opportunities, even for the
Speaker 2: rest of the show, but this one was fantastic. I
Speaker 2: was like, yes, oh my god.
Speaker 1: So he smiles. Is your name Topanga? Angela interjects, Angela,
Speaker 1: my name is Angela, but I already have a boyfriend.
Speaker 1: The boy continues to smile at Topanga, so Angela catches on,
Speaker 1: Oh you mean her, Topega tells the boy that is
Speaker 1: her name. He introduces himself as Ricky Ferris. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you don't remember me, but I certainly remember you, he says.
Speaker 1: She changed his life forever when they were about six
Speaker 1: years old.
Speaker 2: What is it with the Why does it have to
Speaker 2: be rooted and like being a chocolate? I just wonder.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. It's such a weird.
Speaker 2: Trope, like why why does he also have to have
Speaker 2: this like playground? My brain just exploded. I was like,
Speaker 2: what what I know? I just haven't been from twelve this.
Speaker 1: Last year, or you were in front of me at
Speaker 1: the coffee shop and I.
Speaker 2: Was at the French that when you were pretending to
Speaker 2: be a French person at the one time I was
Speaker 2: at that party, I talked to you anything.
Speaker 1: Just come on, I know, it's like years old.
Speaker 2: It has to be like rooted in, like destiny, have
Speaker 2: it like this past.
Speaker 1: When you're seventeen, it already has to be a past.
Speaker 2: And talking about whether they're gonna have kids and move
Speaker 2: to an When.
Speaker 1: We were six and you hit me with the softball
Speaker 1: and then said, I want to live in a big
Speaker 1: suburban house with skylight. What do you look for in
Speaker 1: a life partner? That's what seventeen year olds are really
Speaker 1: concerned with. Well, I am six year olds? Six year olds?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Oh did this writer? Because this is what I was
Speaker 3: thinking about too. As I was watching, I was thinking
Speaker 3: about you did.
Speaker 1: This pass the Cagny and Lacey test. What's it called the.
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: The only scene is is core I mean, uh to
Speaker 2: Panga and Angela and they're only talking talking about.
Speaker 1: The whole time.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: Topanga surprised. I did Angela questions she did. Ricky nods.
Speaker 1: You ended my little league career. Hit me with a
Speaker 1: fastball so hard on my left cheek. I think I
Speaker 1: still have a mark there, but you don't want to
Speaker 1: see that to Penga giggles. But Angela is dead serious.
Speaker 1: I do, Ricky continues. You were the one who helped
Speaker 1: me realize I was more of an artist than an athlete.
Speaker 1: That's Angela.
Speaker 3: That's six because you got to determine your whole life.
Speaker 1: And you've definitely thought about am I an artist or
Speaker 1: artist athlete? I mean if I had the amount of
Speaker 1: nights Adler and I have stayed up at night talking about, Oh,
Speaker 1: we have to choose yet. He's only five five and
Speaker 1: a half, but we are stressed about it.
Speaker 3: Now you get a baseball in one hand and a
Speaker 3: paint brush in the other.
Speaker 1: Shoes, what are you going to be in life? Son,
Speaker 1: Angela encourages her friend. He owes you make him pay
Speaker 1: to Penga simply responds, I'm sorry, and I promise to
Speaker 1: never hit you on the tush with a fastball ever again.
Speaker 1: A suave Ricky responds, why don't you make it up
Speaker 1: to me by seeing the Van Go exhibit together? To
Speaker 1: peg is a bit taken aback, so Angela speaks up,
Speaker 1: I'll go check out that painting over there, entitled go
Speaker 1: with Him. He's cute. Now with Angela gone, to Pega
Speaker 1: and Ricky admire the Van Go from earlier, He's in awe.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it's here under this roof the most
Speaker 1: important painting and the greatest legacy of paintings ever to
Speaker 1: enrich the world. To Pega asks Cris.
Speaker 2: Do we think because his brother was Kenny, right, huh's
Speaker 2: real life kill? And they're like yeah, So like, was
Speaker 2: that intentional? Like did we ask Jonathan to be on
Speaker 2: our show? Because we knew who he was and his
Speaker 2: brother had already been on the show like a teen
Speaker 2: heart throat, right, we was established. I remember being excited
Speaker 2: to meet him and have him on the show because
Speaker 2: he was like a good actor. He like had the
Speaker 2: reactor yeah, And it was It's so funny because when
Speaker 2: he started talking, I immediately was like, oh, he's he's
Speaker 2: not used to sitcom because it's the same thing that
Speaker 2: I suffer from in a lot of the episodes.
Speaker 3: Er, yes, you can't hear anything scene you're used to
Speaker 3: being micd right.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess on soap operas. I've never actually
Speaker 2: been on the soap opera set, but I think they
Speaker 2: used booms too.
Speaker 3: But everybody, everybody talks unless they're yelling because they have mbresia.
Speaker 1: Then everybody.
Speaker 3: And remember when Chris telling the story about how his
Speaker 3: first note to me was like, right, do they need
Speaker 3: you to speak up?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I want it to be real.
Speaker 2: That's the same, right, And I could tell that he
Speaker 2: has the same thing, you know, And he just seemed
Speaker 2: like this the second you open in his mouth. I
Speaker 2: was like, what what he was?
Speaker 3: He was the low sue and I were like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's the low talker from Seinfeld, Like excuse me, that's
Speaker 3: all we kept because it was that same thing. He obviously,
Speaker 3: he's just sitcom is a different beast. It's like voiceover.
Speaker 3: You can get some of the greatest actors in the
Speaker 3: world come in and they just can't do voiceover, and
Speaker 3: vice versa.
Speaker 1: It's the same. He's a vocal and a great actor,
Speaker 1: but sitcom is different.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just funny because I you know, I've never
Speaker 2: seen this episode, but I remember watching the run throughs
Speaker 2: and being like, man, that's a real actor.
Speaker 1: That's a real story.
Speaker 2: And it brought out like this great dynamic with Danielle
Speaker 2: and I was like, man, this is so amazing.
Speaker 1: And then when I was watching the episode, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, it's lacking energy and it's not. It's not a
Speaker 2: bad performance. It's just that thing, you know.
Speaker 1: But also, you know they wrote him as writing is.
Speaker 3: Bad and he's performing in a different type of show.
Speaker 3: There's not a bad performance, it's just not registered.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Tapanga asks Irises, Ricky responds, No, Actually, this is
Speaker 1: my second favorite. I was talking about Starry night. Do
Speaker 1: you know it? She's not in a book once, but
Speaker 1: it likely didn't do it justice. Ricky insists, what you
Speaker 1: need is someone who's passionate about it to make you
Speaker 1: passionate about it too. To Penga smiles, Really you know
Speaker 1: anyone like that? Wow, you need Yes for me, you
Speaker 1: will understand surely. Let me tell you about Storry Night.
Speaker 1: Actually you won't get it. But if I go there
Speaker 1: with you and explain it to you.
Speaker 2: Which is so, it doesn't make any sense for why
Speaker 2: to Penga would then test Corey with it because actually
Speaker 2: the response from Tapega should be let me explain it
Speaker 2: to you, Corey. And you know, if she believes that
Speaker 2: this guy did that, like if she.
Speaker 1: Knows, she wants to know that he'll be able to
Speaker 1: explain everything to her for the rest of her.
Speaker 4: Life that he correct explain exactly your man explain to
Speaker 4: me in a turn on way.
Speaker 1: Could you mean, could you man to me tell me
Speaker 1: how to be passionate?
Speaker 3: It's incite my passion. Tell me tell me what to think, Corey. Actually, Danielle,
Speaker 3: here's what he meant.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Actually, you know this whole episode met will
Speaker 1: we're married right now? You when we were twelve.
Speaker 3: It was it was It wasn't even that they tried
Speaker 3: to save it where it's like, it's not me explaining
Speaker 3: the piece to you, it's me letting you know that
Speaker 3: until you find passion in your life, you won't understand art.
Speaker 1: And it's like, what the hell is happening?
Speaker 2: Well, I want to see you play a version of
Speaker 2: this character because it would be your dream because you
Speaker 2: hate this guy. I was like, I was like, because
Speaker 2: I was laughing earlier, I was saving it until that
Speaker 2: was like, it's not just that he's a two dimensional character,
Speaker 2: because we've had plenty of characters. It's a very specific
Speaker 2: It is that d bag like pretentious guy who's.
Speaker 3: Like too cool for school, you can't stay And it's.
Speaker 1: So funny because it's it's just it's a it's like
Speaker 1: one eighth of who of like of who writer.
Speaker 5: Is there's a part will more than anybody when you
Speaker 5: really tap into this to your Ricky Ferris, Oh.
Speaker 2: Really you didn't work together. He would have hated me
Speaker 2: if you just knew from a whole if he read,
Speaker 2: if he read and team.
Speaker 1: Beat the like quotes that I was saying.
Speaker 2: At the time, we were best friends.
Speaker 1: But he would have been like, whoa those interviews where
Speaker 1: the two of you are in an interview together and
Speaker 1: he is openly mocking you, but in a loving way.
Speaker 1: But the reason for that is that there is another
Speaker 1: seven eighths of you that isn't this. Oh god, he
Speaker 1: likes all of those pers This one eighth part of
Speaker 1: you thinks sucks. You know, I now love that one
Speaker 1: eighth part of you. Okay, absolutely, I love eight eighth
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 2: Writer.
Speaker 1: Actually, Daniel, let me explain why. Okay, so.
Speaker 2: No, it is but you're right, this is this is like,
Speaker 2: this is your kryptonite. Like, but that's why I want
Speaker 2: to see you in a mock turtleneck.
Speaker 1: Playing another krypt We need dumb dumb dad, dumb dumb
Speaker 1: mail needs to be Hey, listen to me. I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell you how to do it. I'm just lucky
Speaker 1: to be with a woman. And then the sun comes
Speaker 1: in and goes. Actually, when I was with the Blind Children,
Speaker 1: Oh I love it, I love it. What else does
Speaker 1: will hate?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what else does will hate?
Speaker 1: Will's hell? So Topanga smiles. You know anyone like that?
Speaker 1: Ricky nods, Yeah, I do. Angela watches on a Stepanga
Speaker 1: follows his lead to the next painting. Now we're in
Speaker 1: front of Starry Night. Ricky and Tapanga are staring at
Speaker 1: the legendary piece that is not protected at all. There's
Speaker 1: just nobody else there and you can get about the stress.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And he reveals I think this is
Speaker 1: the most spiritual piece ever painted. They revel in the
Speaker 1: small details and how van Go's religious beliefs tie into
Speaker 1: its meaning. Ricky tells her that's what's moving you. Someone
Speaker 1: is able to let you see right into his soul.
Speaker 1: Ricky laughs at himself, apologizing to her he could talk
Speaker 1: about this painting all day, and then a museum security
Speaker 1: guard appears. You did. The museum will be closing shortly.
Speaker 1: To Panga, can't believe they talked all night. What it
Speaker 1: can happen without even knowing it? Unbelief. And you know
Speaker 1: if you can talk to someone for a long time
Speaker 1: that only bad can come from that, only battery. Do
Speaker 1: either of you know?
Speaker 3: Very very very quick tangent which I say quite a bit,
Speaker 3: but one of you probably knows this. The the Starry
Speaker 3: Night was was van Go's view from his insane asylum room.
Speaker 1: Wasn't it no like not joking, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it was well thought that, like, well, no,
Speaker 3: back in the day it was he was in, really
Speaker 3: was it was called the insane asylum or hospital.
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure it was there. I think it
Speaker 1: was the asylum at the time.
Speaker 3: But I thought he had one small window and that
Speaker 3: was what he saw through the window.
Speaker 1: I could totally be wrong, but I thought that was
Speaker 1: the story. I don't know. I don't know. Someone someone
Speaker 1: explained it to me.
Speaker 6: Looks that looks true.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, did you just google it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: He g.
Speaker 1: It does?
Speaker 6: It does seem real, it's saying. In the aftermath of
Speaker 6: December eighteen eighty eight, the breakdown and resulted in self
Speaker 6: mutilation of his left ear, van Go voluntarily admitted himself
Speaker 6: into a lunatic asylum down It used to be a
Speaker 6: former monastery and it catered to the wealthy and was
Speaker 6: less than half full when Vango arrived, allowing him to
Speaker 6: occupy not only a second story bedroom, but a ground
Speaker 6: floor room for use of a painting studio. And this
Speaker 6: is what he saw outside of the second story.
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. Plus was the asylum half full?
Speaker 1: Or where is it talking about? God? In this or
Speaker 1: writers just make that up.
Speaker 6: They just that appears to be made up, although I mean,
Speaker 6: I'm sure people take different things from it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ricky tells her talking all days not enough. He
Speaker 1: wonders what she's doing for dinner tomorrow night, and we
Speaker 1: go to break before we get her answer. Then commercial break.
Speaker 1: Then we're back in the Philadelphia Art Museum. Ricky is
Speaker 1: walking out of the exhibit with Tapanga and he mentions
Speaker 1: dinner again. They can keep talking about Starry Night or
Speaker 1: the Real Stars, whatever she wants. Tapanga responds, I've had
Speaker 1: a really great time talking to you, but my head's
Speaker 1: in a funny place right now. Ricky inquires, do you
Speaker 1: plan on eating dinner tomorrow night? Haven't we done this before?
Speaker 2: Yes, we could have cut this entire scene, like if
Speaker 2: he ended the or ended that last thing saying, uh,
Speaker 2: what are you doing for dinner tomorrow night?
Speaker 1: Then we could just cut to Topanga and Angela talking
Speaker 1: about like what do I do?
Speaker 2: He asked me to doct But instead we have this
Speaker 2: like I think pseudo charming, but I just found it, like.
Speaker 1: It's not about Ricky, it's about that. We need to
Speaker 1: show that Tapenga doesn't feel that she's even that she
Speaker 1: can't even wrap her brain around. Could I possibly even
Speaker 1: have Din say to him? Oh no, no, I don't
Speaker 1: know that I can do that. I'm in a bad place.
Speaker 1: It's all about the purity of Topanga, even though she's
Speaker 1: fully single.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then you miss, just know that if you
Speaker 3: look up, well I'll be looking back at you.
Speaker 1: What are you saying? I was yelling. I was literally
Speaker 1: yelling at this point at my reading, thank you wish
Speaker 1: she actually wore.
Speaker 2: Flower and it's just a little flower.
Speaker 1: Just one white glove for no reason, like, what are
Speaker 1: you doing? Yes, that was such a strange character and
Speaker 1: not the actor's fault at all. By the way, for
Speaker 1: the record, I know it's just okay. She says yes,
Speaker 1: and he agrees he does too. So he offers this
Speaker 1: plan tomorrow at eight o'clock. We'll meet it. We really
Speaker 1: la perie de croissant Panga ship. He should just bust
Speaker 1: out into French at some point.
Speaker 3: Everything that would be so close when yeah, how what's happening?
Speaker 1: You're seventeen and Big Philly be seventeen.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean he's known he's an artist since he
Speaker 2: was sixteen.
Speaker 1: I got a lot of takes that little French cafe.
Speaker 1: Ricky nods. Here's the thing. We're going to be sitting
Speaker 1: at the same table, and I'm going to be sitting
Speaker 1: across from you. Now. If you want it to be
Speaker 1: a date, you look up from your dinner. If you
Speaker 1: don't want it to be a date, don't look up.
Speaker 1: Just keep looking at your salad, lady dude. But if
Speaker 1: you do look up, I'll be looking back at you. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm having at it. My gosh. The
Speaker 1: inmates in the audience at this, and Topanga, who is
Speaker 1: both romantic and a little like American Psycho, walks off
Speaker 1: to Penga watches him leave, and then we noticed Angela's
Speaker 1: head sneakily poking out from a sculpture behind her. Topanga doesn't, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's exactly the same thing as if cook over the
Speaker 1: brilliantly she was great. We need it God, So Topanga
Speaker 1: doesn't even need to look in her direction. All right,
Speaker 1: come on out. Angela reveals herself, and Topanga asks should
Speaker 1: I go out with him or not? Angela weighs the option.
Speaker 1: He's gorgeous, cultured, sensitive artist type wants to take you
Speaker 1: to a romantic French restaurant. Should you go out with him?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 1: To Panga size, I don't know. Angela can't handle it.
Speaker 1: You don't know what he is everything you could want to.
Speaker 1: Pega states the obvious, he's not Corey. If I go
Speaker 1: out with him, then Corey and I are really really finished,
Speaker 1: aren't we. Angela agrees Topanga doesn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: Ricky knew so much about the paintings, and he's complex
Speaker 1: and interesting. Angela asks if she thinks Corey is complex
Speaker 1: and interesting. To Panga nods, yeah, but it's different. You
Speaker 1: don't he's not. He's complex, he's Corey. He's neurotic. He
Speaker 1: and he likes a lot of things that Topanga doesn't get.
Speaker 1: He's obsessive. Yeah, he's not very cheater, cheats the same.
Speaker 2: Does and Corey. Oh, haven't established anything.
Speaker 1: I don't know. She's never. She's never said like I
Speaker 1: can talk to him about it. He's nothing, She's never.
Speaker 1: We don't know. And it's not that there is a sure,
Speaker 1: it's not that there aren't things about Corey, but we
Speaker 1: just haven't explored them. We haven't heard from Tapanga what
Speaker 1: she specifically loves about her man. We don't know. There
Speaker 1: are obviously things. Is it that he's hysterical because he is?
Speaker 1: Is it that he's cute? We've heard her say that,
Speaker 1: We have heard her say and she's definitely been like,
Speaker 1: you are a very sexy boy. So she's physically attracted
Speaker 1: to Corey, and that's all we know. Yeah, but like
Speaker 1: has been sexually attracted to Corey. Corey is truly irresistible
Speaker 1: to women of his age, So it's not surprising in
Speaker 1: the universe that Tapega would find Corey physically attractive. But
Speaker 1: but as far as like what else that you know,
Speaker 1: she seems to have all of these things that she
Speaker 1: really looks for in someone. Deep interestspective, sensitive, complex, interesting.
Speaker 1: Haven't heard her say any that have heard her say
Speaker 1: to Corey, you don't listen to me. You keep doing
Speaker 1: these things you think I want. I don't want them.
Speaker 1: This is not what this is not what I want.
Speaker 1: So he doesn't know her. I don't know. I don't know,
Speaker 1: even though I've known Corey all my life. How can
Speaker 1: I go out with another guy until I know what
Speaker 1: Corey feels about this painting? And again, I think if
Speaker 1: we were out somewhere and I were looking at a
Speaker 1: painting and I was with someone else and they had
Speaker 1: a different perspective. I'd be able to turn to my
Speaker 1: friend and I'd say, you know what Jensen would say
Speaker 1: about this painting, and I would know it like the
Speaker 1: back of my hand Yep, why do I need to
Speaker 1: hear it from Corey's own? I would know for sure.
Speaker 1: I know Corey, he's going to see an attack the aliens.
Speaker 1: They're shooting beams. That's what he's going to see, because
Speaker 1: he's gone with me to art shows before and we've
Speaker 1: already talked about this, or I know he's alien attacked.
Speaker 2: But also Corey stayed up all night to get her
Speaker 2: tickets for this thing. He's already done the demonstration of
Speaker 2: even if I'm going to this thing, I support you,
Speaker 2: I love you. And it's like so it's completely under
Speaker 2: like she doesn't even need to test his ability to
Speaker 2: read a painting. That's not why she likes him and
Speaker 2: that but that should be the point, right, it should
Speaker 2: be the Tapanga says, here's another type of guy who's
Speaker 2: more like me in some ways, right, but I've always
Speaker 2: been with Corey, who's actually very different from me, and
Speaker 2: and you know, just have that conversation, which is a
Speaker 2: healthy conversation to have like you can have you can
Speaker 2: be in love with somebody and have very different tastes
Speaker 2: in music, movies, paintings and look all that stuff. The
Speaker 2: idea that you would see.
Speaker 3: The thing I was thinking of, but I was as
Speaker 3: I was watching this that would have been such an
Speaker 3: interesting change would have been if the guy was actually
Speaker 3: an exchange student. He was black, he was from France,
Speaker 3: he whatever, he was so different and so worldly and well,
Speaker 3: I grew up on a commune.
Speaker 1: I meant something to where.
Speaker 3: It wasn't just a caricature of this thing, right, if
Speaker 3: she met somebody super interesting who really did That's all
Speaker 3: I was sitting there, is like, okay, so I can
Speaker 3: get like Corey liked Lauren.
Speaker 1: She listened to him.
Speaker 3: They were having fun. They were laughing. They were joking,
Speaker 3: what Topanga's Lauren? And they just kind of made this version.
Speaker 1: Do you think what the version they made is? And
Speaker 1: you find it out at the dinner You find it
Speaker 1: out at the dinner date. Oh, your parents are real
Speaker 1: hands off parents too. You're super independent and not neurotic.
Speaker 1: You want to go spend a year in Paris? I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just so they have they have things that like,
Speaker 1: she goes, wow, what how interesting to talk to somebody
Speaker 1: who has more of my shared history and has more
Speaker 1: of my dreams for the future.
Speaker 2: I just wish that the counter argument is, which is
Speaker 2: a great argument that could be made, which is that,
Speaker 2: but Corey is my Corey. Corey is this Corey is
Speaker 2: a different type. I if you, if I wrote down
Speaker 2: on a piece of paper like the resume for the
Speaker 2: perfect guy, here's the guy, but that's not actually.
Speaker 1: Who I love.
Speaker 2: Who I love is Corey and here's why. Instead it
Speaker 2: just reduced to this kiss. Right, it's just literally this
Speaker 2: litmus test of the kiss. I didn't feel it, Nope,
Speaker 2: and it's like what No.
Speaker 3: Like what you were talking about though, is exactly what
Speaker 3: they were attempting to do.
Speaker 1: It didn't work.
Speaker 2: But it's just oversimplified into this destiny love fate thing
Speaker 2: that it's just such a bummer because it's an opportunity
Speaker 2: to really let Corey shine as a character and to say,
Speaker 2: here are some great qualities about Corey. Yes, he likes baseball,
Speaker 2: which Tapanges not into. He cares about this, which Japang
Speaker 2: is not into. But that doesn't matter. What matters is
Speaker 2: the shared you know, the respect and love and the
Speaker 2: way he I don't know, like, just find those reasons
Speaker 2: his humor. You know, there are things, but we don't
Speaker 2: explicate those things because it's just reduced to love, you know,
Speaker 2: love capital.
Speaker 1: L Angela tells Topanga she needs to give Ricky a chance.
Speaker 1: Maybe one day she won't be telling people she met
Speaker 1: the guy she loved on the monkey bars, but instead
Speaker 1: she met him in front of a masterpiece and he
Speaker 1: swept her off her feet. But Tapanga's mind is made up.
Speaker 1: I'm not leaving my feet for anybody until I give
Speaker 1: Corey a chance. The audience aw and to Panga lovingly
Speaker 1: places her head on Angela's shoulder.
Speaker 3: A chance.
Speaker 1: She's not this. She gave him fifteen years of a chance.
Speaker 3: It's also not just that, though, Why does why does
Speaker 3: it have to be you met Maybe you can say
Speaker 3: you met the love of your life in front.
Speaker 1: Why can't just be a guy you're dating?
Speaker 2: I need a guy hang out with me. You're single?
Speaker 1: Now, go yeah, yes, exactly, you can't.
Speaker 2: That's miserable to be happy, would be miserable to be
Speaker 2: happy single?
Speaker 1: Go go date somebody for a few months. Go yeah,
Speaker 1: go give that.
Speaker 3: He could be a great distraugling for you right now.
Speaker 3: To Panga, that's totally aid, but no, he's got to
Speaker 3: be the love of.
Speaker 1: Your life forever. Come on right.
Speaker 2: It's just like the conversation with Ben or Corey and Lauren,
Speaker 2: where it's like, yeah, what about our suburban future? And
Speaker 2: it's like, why are we having this conversation with the kids?
Speaker 2: I know, yes, and I get it that, like you
Speaker 2: feel like it's intense, Like I understand the feelings, but
Speaker 2: we're actually having out loud conversations that I don't believe
Speaker 2: seventeen through nineteen year old have or they don't test
Speaker 2: each other in the same way. They may like dream
Speaker 2: and like speculat, but you're not literally like would you
Speaker 2: want two point five kids in a white way?
Speaker 1: I do. What I will say is that I do
Speaker 1: think like you said, it does speak to the feelings.
Speaker 1: Teenagers are having it because we're all imagining what is
Speaker 1: my life's going to be? It's not yes, and what's
Speaker 1: my future going to be? And who am I going
Speaker 1: to be with? And am I going to be with someone?
Speaker 1: And what are we going to have and where are
Speaker 1: we going to live? It's so fun to fantasize about
Speaker 1: so maybe what people do, what people resonated so much
Speaker 1: is it was a real way of those feelings being
Speaker 1: played out in like, oh, I can't actually no one's
Speaker 1: having these conversations, but I'm having the thoughts, I'm having
Speaker 1: the feelings. I can watch these people act my thoughts
Speaker 1: and fantasies and I can kind of oh wow, and
Speaker 1: what if that could be me? And then it became
Speaker 1: the idea of where's my Corey, where's my Tipanga, which
Speaker 1: possibly screwed up.
Speaker 3: Well, you know how many comments we get generation how
Speaker 3: many people if you talk to you that are like man,
Speaker 3: Corey and Tpanga really made my life difficult when it came.
Speaker 2: To right, Well, because they don't they don't actually spell
Speaker 2: out what it is about their love. It's just that
Speaker 2: their love is destined. I mean, that's the whole point
Speaker 2: of this episode. And that's like, you know, that can
Speaker 2: keep you in a really horrible relationship.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying Corey de Bank.
Speaker 2: Is necessarily really horrible, but it's also not necessarily good,
Speaker 2: right right, because it's left blank enough, it's enough of
Speaker 2: a blank slate for you to project. And that's just
Speaker 2: to me very dangerous way to approach love for kids,
Speaker 2: especially for teenagers, like because it has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with how you actually treat each other or how you
Speaker 2: actually go about living together or being together.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, so we're back at the Philadelphia Art Museum.
Speaker 1: It's the next day. Topega is holding Corey's hand and
Speaker 1: leading him right to starry Night. She asks him what
Speaker 1: he sees. Corey gives a slight laugh. Why did she
Speaker 1: bring him here? Tapega explains, I want to know what
Speaker 1: you feel about this painting. Corey stutters, I don't get
Speaker 1: what that has to do with anything. Did something happen
Speaker 1: here yesterday? It has sure been a long time. In
Speaker 1: the script since we had a laugh, Angela popping her
Speaker 1: head up, is that that was the last one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the last one. And even that is funny.
Speaker 1: It's a funny moment, but it's not like a hard
Speaker 1: script laugh, you know, like so's to release the tension. Laugh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you walked in while this scenems play, and
Speaker 2: I didn't get to record him because we had people
Speaker 2: coming over after we watched this episode.
Speaker 1: But he just said, wow, now this is a sad story.
Speaker 2: There's barely any comedy right.
Speaker 1: It was like yeah.
Speaker 2: And then we watched until the monkey bar scene and
Speaker 2: that started, and he just said, ah, they always have
Speaker 2: a lesson at the end, but the lesson's getting weird.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. I mean, I mean he was able because.
Speaker 2: He hadn't seen the episodes, you know, I think he's
Speaker 2: seen one episode this season, but that was his takeaway
Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, that's pretty really enjoyed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: He's like it feels He's like he knew that there
Speaker 2: was a lesson, but it just wasn't. He was like,
Speaker 2: it's weird.
Speaker 1: I don't it's a weird one. It's a weird lesson.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, man, I feel yeah. Anyway, but
Speaker 2: this scene, he was like, there's no lad, there's no comedy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, I know. It's very intense to
Speaker 1: Panga insists this has nothing to do with yesterday. This
Speaker 1: is about the two of them right now. They were
Speaker 1: supposed to come here together and she wants to know
Speaker 1: what would have happened if they did. Corey seems annoyed.
Speaker 1: So this is some kind of test to Panga nods right,
Speaker 1: big test test to the biggest Corey scoffs. Forget it
Speaker 1: I'm not taking a test. You don't reduce our relationship
Speaker 1: to what you think about me because of what I
Speaker 1: see in a painting. None of that is important. What's important, exactly,
Speaker 1: what's important is what he sees in her and what
Speaker 1: she sees in him. To Panga grabs him and loudly shouts,
Speaker 1: what I see in you portrait of somebody. I thought,
Speaker 1: I knew she can't contain it any lie.
Speaker 2: I was like, why are the guards not coming over?
Speaker 2: We've established a guard, But clearly you guys are screaming
Speaker 2: at each other in front of a painting, and background
Speaker 2: actors are not.
Speaker 1: Not one guys like one.
Speaker 3: One guy in the very back turns to look at
Speaker 3: them one.
Speaker 1: Time and then turns back to the pack.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. There's like a guy walking around looking
Speaker 2: at paintings behind Tipanga shot and I was like, dude, like,
Speaker 2: you guys are making a scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. How were you able to spend the
Speaker 1: whole night talking to some girl then kiss her the
Speaker 1: next day and still think you care about me?
Speaker 2: So now it's about the kiss and talking, which.
Speaker 1: And not just about that. How did you kiss someone
Speaker 1: else and still think you care about me? Which that's
Speaker 1: that's now her POV, which was not her POV when
Speaker 1: she was written very well, when she was written with
Speaker 1: the idea that, Wow, whatever happened between you two during
Speaker 1: that time you talked wasn't as benign or as I
Speaker 1: was led to believe, because she came four hours to
Speaker 1: pursue whatever came from that. So if you feel the
Speaker 1: same way that there is something more there between you two,
Speaker 1: that you need to go explore that. That tells me
Speaker 1: you're not as committed and sure in our relationship, and
Speaker 1: so you should go.
Speaker 2: Do that too.
Speaker 1: If you kiss someone, it means there's feelings, which is
Speaker 1: just to us smarter and better than that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Corey shouts back, because I did and I do. To
Speaker 1: Panka yells, you don't, or you wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: do those things. Those things don't just happen for no reason,
Speaker 1: but they have happened for no reason before before to
Speaker 1: your man in this show several times, many times, Corey says,
Speaker 1: don't tell me how I feel about you. I know
Speaker 1: how I feel about you. And she kissed me to
Speaker 1: Pank is furious and you moved away? What did you
Speaker 1: do to stop her? Corey throws his arms in the air.
Speaker 1: Nothing nothing, I said, kiss me, baby, sweetie, Kill the
Speaker 1: relationship with the person I care about more than anything,
Speaker 1: and make me miserable for the rest of my horrible life.
Speaker 1: And yeah, where's that security guard when you need him?
Speaker 1: Corey says, Laurence kiss meant nothing to him. But she's right.
Speaker 1: Those things don't happen for no reason. They happen to
Speaker 1: teach you something. Corey knows now that he will never
Speaker 1: ever love anybody more than he loves Topanga. Topanga isn't
Speaker 1: giving up. What do you see in the painting, Corey.
Speaker 1: Corey observes the painting and finally says, I see an attack.
Speaker 1: The audience laughs and Tepanga is confused. An attack? Corey
Speaker 1: nods an attack from another world. This is not the
Speaker 1: answer to Panga was hoping for, so she asks him
Speaker 1: to look again. What about the relationship between God and man?
Speaker 1: You know what that other guy man explained to me,
Speaker 1: Corey nervously says, he was about to get there. See, God,
Speaker 1: unhappy with how some particular humans treat other particular humans
Speaker 1: who love them, has decided it's the end of the world.
Speaker 1: And I wondered, who's he talking about here, the way
Speaker 1: Corey treated Tapanga or the way Topanga is treating him.
Speaker 1: You're right, it's just it's I don't know, and I
Speaker 1: think he's right to Peg is deflated. God is protecting
Speaker 1: the people in this little town. They live their lives,
Speaker 1: and they come out of their houses and they see
Speaker 1: the sky and they know God's protection and love and
Speaker 1: that everything will be all right. Corey counters, how do
Speaker 1: you expect me to see good in anything when I
Speaker 1: feel so bad in here? As he points to his heart,
Speaker 1: Storry night is just a painting Tapega shoots back, this
Speaker 1: is a masterpiece. Corey is unfazed. We are a masterpiece,
Speaker 1: and I don't care what you think right now. We're
Speaker 1: going to be together forever and I know that. But
Speaker 1: you still need to find that out. Why Grabs, We
Speaker 1: now know this, like what has changed from because I
Speaker 1: mean like coach.
Speaker 2: For the rest of this episode, Corey is in this
Speaker 2: like overcont like super correct. But what triggered that?
Speaker 1: Because he was, I have no idea.
Speaker 2: But I mean, but we don't.
Speaker 1: That's what it is.
Speaker 3: That's it's a higher it's a belief in a higher
Speaker 3: power than is this love show.
Speaker 1: But he didn't At the beginning of the episode Monkey Bars.
Speaker 2: At the beginning of the episode, he was free taking
Speaker 2: out about not going to the museum with to Pangas. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so we never see the moment where Corey has
Speaker 2: his you know, moment of insight. Really, I mean what
Speaker 2: you're talking about faith, right, Love is faith, which we've
Speaker 2: literally said on the show, so love faith God, Like
Speaker 2: our show lines all those things up, and now he's
Speaker 2: saying he's been tested by the universe and knows for
Speaker 2: sure that that was the point of Lauren. Lauren was
Speaker 2: sent as a test by God for him to fall
Speaker 2: in love with to Panka. Like that's the story that
Speaker 2: we're building. I have problems with that, but okay, that's
Speaker 2: the story of the universe of Boy Meets World. But
Speaker 2: where was that moment, Like, where was the moment where
Speaker 2: he transitioned And it could have been this scene. There
Speaker 2: could have been a moment where he just looks at
Speaker 2: the pain, he looks at the panga and says, I'm
Speaker 2: not scared anymore or you know, but we never see it.
Speaker 2: And it was very confused. When he's like with Sean
Speaker 2: at the end, it was like, this is an intense
Speaker 2: like transition that we kind of just skipped over.
Speaker 1: By the way. I actually truly love the idea of
Speaker 1: a character having so much confidence and not only himself
Speaker 1: but his relationship that he says, I don't care if
Speaker 1: no one else is with me. I know without a
Speaker 1: shadow of a doubt, what we have is real. And
Speaker 1: if it's three months, six months, four years, six years,
Speaker 1: we're going to end up together and she can go
Speaker 1: and date any random artist she wants. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, what she's going to realize is that
Speaker 1: no human being will ever love her or take care
Speaker 1: of her, or know her or be there for her
Speaker 1: the way I will. That kind of confidence is what
Speaker 1: I tell young people who come to me for relationship
Speaker 1: advice all the time. If this person is all the
Speaker 1: things you think that they are, and they're trying, they're wawfling,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. You know who you are, you
Speaker 1: know you're the best thing in the world. There. Let
Speaker 1: them go out there and see what else is available
Speaker 1: until they realize, wow, I really let a good thing go.
Speaker 1: I want that have that confidence. But it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: for a matter of minutes, shouldn't be one date. It
Speaker 1: shouldn't be Topanga going out with one guy. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I'd love to see Tapega go. I'm about
Speaker 1: to graduate and I have wanted to go to Paris,
Speaker 1: and I have summer coming up, and this guy's hot
Speaker 1: and likes the same things I do. Yeah, maybe this
Speaker 1: is what I'm supposed to do for a summer and
Speaker 1: see where it takes me. And if that happens, and
Speaker 1: we have a full season, half a season, a year
Speaker 1: of the two of them being broken up and living
Speaker 1: separate lives and Corey never once waivers in his confidence,
Speaker 1: we're still getting back together someday.
Speaker 2: I think that's great.
Speaker 1: That happens in one exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean that whole conversation around you. They're married at
Speaker 2: that point, and she gets into Y or they're engaged.
Speaker 1: She gets engaged, yeah, and they still are.
Speaker 2: Like why not you You're married, Corey moved to Connecticut.
Speaker 2: She's gonna go to Yale, like dude, go.
Speaker 1: Go yeah, okay. He grabs her hands, you know where
Speaker 1: I'll be. Then he walks away and she watches him
Speaker 1: leave the exhibit. Did she have like a week long
Speaker 1: museum pass or I know, well, there's nobody.
Speaker 3: I mean they set it up that there's nobody there,
Speaker 3: so kind of no one cares about Vegaz, no one
Speaker 3: cares about Vango ever, so.
Speaker 1: And then we're in the French cafe, so new Settlert.
Speaker 1: I think Jamaka shouldate this guy just because he knows
Speaker 1: a restaurant other than Chubby's. I think already. Tobega and
Speaker 1: Ricky are seated at a table and she's focused on
Speaker 1: a story he's telling. So I bought this beret and
Speaker 1: I grew some hair on my chin, and I told
Speaker 1: my parents I wanted to put off college and go
Speaker 1: to Paris and paint for a year. Tapanga asks if
Speaker 1: they went crazy, but Ricky tells her they didn't. In fact,
Speaker 1: they thought it'd be a good idea to expand his individuality.
Speaker 1: But he's just testing them. But now he really has
Speaker 1: to go. Tapanga thought she had the only parents like
Speaker 1: that in the world. And we get some rare continuity.
Speaker 1: She tells him about almost moving to Pittsburgh and her aunt.
Speaker 1: Ricky unders what was so important that she wanted to
Speaker 1: stay to Pank admits there was this boy. Ricky smiles,
Speaker 1: So you've been in love. He's so excited about it.
Speaker 1: I love you should just let me. I believe it
Speaker 1: was Rumble who said at least it wasn't I know
Speaker 1: my god. I was like, don't do it, don't do
Speaker 1: it to Pang admits Yeah, I have, but I've never
Speaker 1: been to Paris, which is maybe the most spot online. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've dedicated the last fifteen years of my life to
Speaker 1: one person, and it's I've called it love, and yet
Speaker 1: I have no real life experiences Pittsburgh. Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't leave word, which she kind of ruined. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he stalked me when I the one time I
Speaker 1: left the state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 1: Going to prevent me from going to the Ivy College.
Speaker 3: And Danielle, as you were saying the whole thing about
Speaker 3: you know, we're going to be together. If it's six months,
Speaker 3: if it's four months, whatever, it's six years, we're going
Speaker 3: to be I just thought how different that same speech
Speaker 3: would sound if you casted somebody crazy saying it, Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you got someone going, I don't care.
Speaker 1: If it's six months, I don't we're going to end
Speaker 1: up together. It's like, oh, I mean, you don't even
Speaker 1: need to say it to the other person. I'm saying
Speaker 1: when he's talking to Sean for him to say to Sean, listen,
Speaker 1: I have no doubt she can go and have all
Speaker 1: the experiences in life that she wants, and she should.
Speaker 1: I hope she does. But I know no one's better
Speaker 1: for me than her, and she'll eventually realize that someday,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to go about and live my life.
Speaker 1: But I you know, I.
Speaker 3: Could have reversed it, though it would have been interesting
Speaker 3: is if it was Corey who told her to go
Speaker 3: out with them, like you should get with them.
Speaker 1: I think you should now go and see what happens
Speaker 1: the way she did. I mean, he does kind of say, hey,
Speaker 1: you need to still find that out. You know where
Speaker 1: I'll be. So in a little bit he does the
Speaker 1: same thing that Tapega did. So Ricky tells her that
Speaker 1: now she'll have an excuse. Topanga laughs. She hardly knows him.
Speaker 1: Ricky disagrees. We've known each other for a whole day
Speaker 1: and dinner and we're almost done with dessert. Tapega asks
Speaker 1: to see what he's drawing, and he rips off his
Speaker 1: side of the paper table covering. He shows her a
Speaker 1: beautiful bouquet of brightly colored flowers he's made Tapega looks
Speaker 1: at them in awe. They're beautiful. He says, they're no
Speaker 1: van go. She tells him she's had a really rough day,
Speaker 1: and he's making it less rough. He's been thinking about
Speaker 1: her ever since the museum. It's amazing when it can
Speaker 1: be a day like any other, and without even expecting it,
Speaker 1: you meet somebody interesting, inspiring, and you can talk for hours.
Speaker 1: Where are the jokes in this show?
Speaker 2: Single laugh in the same It's just.
Speaker 1: Where are they? Could there be anything, by the way,
Speaker 1: anything even remotely? Why is this the fantasy they think
Speaker 1: that a woman wants on a date? This conversation is
Speaker 1: so boring. There's not anything. It's not fun. It's just
Speaker 1: and by the way, they're talking about Corey.
Speaker 4: About anything other than your other relationship, like anything.
Speaker 1: To Bank asks, what did you just say? Ricky continues,
Speaker 1: those things don't just happen for no reason to Panga agrees,
Speaker 1: repeating Corey's words from earlier, they happen to teach you something.
Speaker 1: Ricky begins to lean in closer to Panga, asks you're
Speaker 1: going to kiss me now, aren't you. He nods, and
Speaker 1: they kiss. The audience lets out a combination of it.
Speaker 1: No idea. They're like, we don't want this, but.
Speaker 2: We kind of do, like it's just.
Speaker 1: Sexy. But I know, do you remember kissing him, Danielle? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do, I remember. I remember all we I mean
Speaker 1: he's very cute, obviously, sure, he's super professional, really polite, nice,
Speaker 1: nice guy. Uh and yeah, I mean the funny thing
Speaker 1: is I remember thinking it was weird to kiss someone
Speaker 1: other than Ben. I remember, this is weird dating that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was dating that at the time. I think I'm
Speaker 1: also wearing a necklace Jonathan gave me. I had a
Speaker 1: lot of weird stuff going on. There's weird stuff happening
Speaker 1: in Danielle's life. I don't know what was going on,
Speaker 1: so who knows. We come back to John Adams high
Speaker 1: Sean stands at Angela's locker and disbelief. How could you
Speaker 1: let her go out with another guy? Angela scoffs letter
Speaker 1: I told her to and again, I think this is
Speaker 1: supposed to be the laugh like this, Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: the comedy section. Here's the comedy, but it's it's so intense.
Speaker 3: Yelling at her like yeah, and Angela is the only
Speaker 3: one the entire episode that has any sense. I know,
Speaker 3: it's amazing, But I love I liked this scene in
Speaker 3: that I was just like nice to see Sean and
Speaker 3: Angela together.
Speaker 1: And like dynamic.
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, Sean's actually listening to her, and
Speaker 2: like I thought it was.
Speaker 1: I was like cool, that's.
Speaker 2: Like, it was just nice to see it, and the
Speaker 2: writing was clever the whole, like, yeah, we're.
Speaker 1: Gonna I'm gonna show you different sides of myself. So
Speaker 1: this is me very upset. Why would you?
Speaker 2: That's all very me.
Speaker 1: I'm just yelling and angry, but I still just I
Speaker 1: don't know. I was just nice to see Sean in
Speaker 1: a scene with girlfriend. I know which. By the way,
Speaker 1: now you guys are okay. We've talked about it for
Speaker 1: a few episodes. You guys are absolutely boyfriend and girlfriend
Speaker 1: when truly, the last time we had any sort of
Speaker 1: status update about your relationship was the first Girlfriend's Club
Speaker 1: when you said I want to take a step back,
Speaker 1: I want to be friends to go So I don't
Speaker 1: get it. So Sean can't believe it. He asks for
Speaker 1: a time out. You and I we're going pretty good, right,
Speaker 1: Angela smiles, Yeah, Sean continues, so we should try and
Speaker 1: show all the different sides of our personalities, right, Angela agrees,
Speaker 1: mm hmm. Sean takes a deep breath. Good. So then
Speaker 1: this is me really really mad. He yells in her face.
Speaker 1: You told her to go out with another guy? How
Speaker 1: will that get them back together? He may not be
Speaker 1: the smartest kid in school, but he thinks it's bad.
Speaker 1: Angela mimicks Sean, all right, this is me really really practical.
Speaker 1: Corey and te Beannga have broken up. They both need
Speaker 1: to get on with their lives. They argue back and
Speaker 1: forth on whether or not the two are actually broken up,
Speaker 1: causing other students around them to rightfully stare, were we
Speaker 1: the first people to do We weren't broken up? We
Speaker 1: were on a break? Or was friends? When did friends
Speaker 1: do that? This is ninety eight? Mm hmm. Friends was first?
Speaker 1: When did friends?
Speaker 3: Err? Because we were on a break? Ross and Rachel
Speaker 3: hook after the end of season one?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that happened that early. Yeah, we were on
Speaker 1: a break. I think we came before this. It's on
Speaker 1: first heard the one with the morning after We can't break?
Speaker 1: So there you go? Is it a breaker? Is it?
Speaker 1: And is it a breaker? Yes? Okay, well gold we
Speaker 1: cleared that up. Angela reminds him he went out with
Speaker 1: another girl. She went out with another guy. Shawn is
Speaker 1: still peeved. If I went out with another girl tonight,
Speaker 1: that wouldn't mean I don't love you, and we wouldn't
Speaker 1: be broken up tomorrow. Angela retorts, you go out with
Speaker 1: another girl tonight, and you'll be plenty broken tomorrow, because
Speaker 1: I will break you. She gives him a kiss and
Speaker 1: John smiles. He emphasizes the Coreanapanga have been together for
Speaker 1: fifteen years. These rules don't apply to them. Angela feels
Speaker 1: they're stuck. They need to see where life takes them,
Speaker 1: otherwise they're going to be unhappy every day. They agree
Speaker 1: they don't want that for their friends. Now here's where
Speaker 1: Sean has a really good point. If we were married
Speaker 1: in our late thirties or forties, with a couple of kids,
Speaker 1: one to three kids, and you've been together for fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty years and one of you meet somebody, you'd spend
Speaker 1: all night talking to them and you kiss. The rules
Speaker 1: of that's it. You cheated on me. Get out of here.
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to you anymore. Don't necessarily
Speaker 1: apply different. You have to say, how is the culture
Speaker 1: of our relationship led to this moment where you thought
Speaker 1: this was an acceptable thing to do. We need to
Speaker 1: talk this out. We have a lot at stake. We've
Speaker 1: built a life together, we have a family, we have
Speaker 1: shared whatever. That's a different conversation at seventeen years old.
Speaker 1: It's not the same consideration. So the fact that Sean
Speaker 1: is saying these love rules of you went out with
Speaker 1: somebody else, they don't apply to them, is basically saying, oh,
Speaker 1: once you've been if you've been together with somebody for
Speaker 1: two no matter how old you are, you're already an
Speaker 1: old married couple. You have to treat it differently. It's
Speaker 1: just weird. It's the logic of that they're destined. I mean,
Speaker 1: we just have to buy it.
Speaker 2: Ever since the Romeo and Juliet episode, it's just like
Speaker 2: we are in like that.
Speaker 1: That's just they're destined.
Speaker 2: We have to stany.
Speaker 3: I think this is also a good place to talk
Speaker 3: about the power of music in an episode, because the
Speaker 3: music in this episode is so melodramatic and high hand
Speaker 3: that it just sucks you down another level the entire time,
Speaker 3: where it's like if I heard those weeping guitar strings
Speaker 3: one more.
Speaker 1: Time, so you got kidding me with this right now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 3: And I also like to point out because I it
Speaker 3: led me to look something up. There was a big
Speaker 3: change in television this year of nineteen ninety eight. January
Speaker 3: of nineteen ninety eight, Dawson's Creek came out and it
Speaker 3: became such a big thing in TV, and teenage became
Speaker 3: a big part television. And I still think that painted
Speaker 3: our show with a brush, where hey, look what they did,
Speaker 3: We've got to do that too.
Speaker 1: And literally, as I'm watching this, I'm like, when did
Speaker 1: Dawson's Creek come out?
Speaker 3: And it was like four months before that may smart
Speaker 3: So it made such a difference in our show that
Speaker 3: that show came out.
Speaker 1: You're right. Then the bell rings and Angela grabs Sean's
Speaker 1: hand and they stroll into Phoene's class together. To Pega
Speaker 1: meets Angela at the door and pulls her away. She
Speaker 1: whispers that something happened. Angela asks good or bad, and
Speaker 1: to Panga admits, amazing, absolutely wonderful. I've never had a
Speaker 1: kiss that meant more to me in my life. Angela
Speaker 1: cringes and turns to Sean. I'm sorry, it's over. Sean
Speaker 1: slowly turns to Corey, who is now standing behind him.
Speaker 1: He tells him they need to talk. Corey stares at him,
Speaker 1: completely unnerved. Just then feene enters the room. I hope
Speaker 1: everyone enjoyed reading their last Shakespeare play while in high school.
Speaker 1: The entire class applauds, except for Corey and Sean. Phoene
Speaker 1: tells the rowdy seniors, Hey, I didn't know you felt
Speaker 1: that way about it. Okay, we'll do one more. The
Speaker 1: class groans, and Feenie gives them a big nineties psych
Speaker 1: then calls on Sean to share a passage from Antony
Speaker 1: and Cleopatra, something that was meaningful to him. Sean flips
Speaker 1: through the pages of his book and reads, though it
Speaker 1: be honest, it is never good to bring bad news.
Speaker 1: Corey immediately turns around. Phoene admits that's an interesting passage.
Speaker 1: Why did he choose that? Sean responds, while staring at Corey.
Speaker 1: I want everyone to understand how important it is not
Speaker 1: to kill the messenger. And apparently Sean remembered that moment
Speaker 1: when he read it last night. I was gonna he
Speaker 1: had no way to know that in the morning he
Speaker 1: would have bad news to share with him.
Speaker 3: Suddenly, Shakespearean Hugh horn in some Shakespeare in a quick
Speaker 3: Phoene scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mind.
Speaker 3: No, I was actually I was cautiously optimistic at this point,
Speaker 3: kind of going like, maybe it'll pick up here, even
Speaker 3: though we're seventeen minutes in and there's gonna be a
Speaker 3: feenie interaction and there's going to be some Shakespeare, and
Speaker 3: I just kind of didn't didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Corey and Sean walk out of Foene's and
Speaker 1: Corey announces, okay, a messenger deliver. Sean admits that what
Speaker 1: he's about to say is going to make Corey want
Speaker 1: to kill him. Corey laughs, I'm not going to kill you.
Speaker 1: It takes too much time to make to break in
Speaker 1: a new best friend. Sean comes right out with it,
Speaker 1: Tapanga went out with another guy last night. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Corey turns to face him. You know, we're the only
Speaker 1: two guys in the world who still think there's hope
Speaker 1: for me and too, Panga, you're throwing in the towel.
Speaker 1: Sean nods, yeah, I am. Corey turns back to his locker.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Sean asks if he's okay, and Corey admits, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting feeling, though. Sean questions what to know
Speaker 1: it's over, and Corey answers to be the only guy
Speaker 1: in the world who knows it's not And where did
Speaker 1: this Cory come?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: I know where did The last time we saw him
Speaker 2: in the museum he was still kind of stressed out
Speaker 2: in the beginning of the episode. I just don't what
Speaker 2: what changed? Yep, when insight come from where home, like,
Speaker 2: acceptance of fate, the like, it just it's so I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, it makes for this dramatic reversal
Speaker 2: in the scene, but it just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: It's not really they're showing the stuff they shouldn't show
Speaker 3: and not showing the stuff that they should a lot
Speaker 3: in this episode. Y It's like, why didn't they show
Speaker 3: this instead of the yes, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, we're still in the John Adams High hallway to
Speaker 1: Panga and Angela are sitting on the senior couch and
Speaker 1: ask Angela asks the big question, you like this guy? Huh?
Speaker 1: To Pega can't hide her grin. I'm in love with him.
Speaker 1: I knew it the minute I kissed him. Angela's alarmed.
Speaker 1: You're coming off along relationship and you're vulnerable right now.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't rush into something because of one kiss from
Speaker 1: some gorgeous, perfect guy. It was just a kiss, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: To Pega can't stop smiling. That's all it took. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I felt when he kissed me? Angela laughs,
Speaker 1: probably to Pega reveals nothing, she felt nothing. Angela's confused.
Speaker 1: To Pega explains, I called him to day to let
Speaker 1: him know I can never see him again. Angela doesn't
Speaker 1: get it. You did. To Panga announces, because I'm in love.
Speaker 1: I don't mean high school I love you, I love
Speaker 1: you too. I mean I am in love with Corey
Speaker 1: Matthews and I want to be Angela smiles and lets
Speaker 1: out a huge sigh. To Peka continues, applauds, Yep, there's
Speaker 1: nobody else in the world for me, and there never
Speaker 1: will be. I'm taken. The audience lets out a rowdy
Speaker 1: round of applause and yells at this dramatic revelation. And
Speaker 1: then we're on the park playground. Corey is sitting on
Speaker 1: the jungle gym and to Panga walks up. She asks
Speaker 1: what he's doing up there. Corey's face lights up. I
Speaker 1: was hoping I could sit up here, and a beautiful
Speaker 1: girl would help me down and we'd fall in love
Speaker 1: for the next fifteen years. He shrugs. It worked once.
Speaker 1: To Pega hops up on the structure and begins to
Speaker 1: confess to Corey, I met this guy. Corey interrupts her,
Speaker 1: I went back to look at that painting. To Pega continues,
Speaker 1: we talked all day. He's not listening to her. Again,
Speaker 1: neither of us are listening to the other, even in
Speaker 1: the slightest No, there is not one honest moment between
Speaker 1: the two of us in this entire scene. And I
Speaker 1: remember this scene, and I remember being told exactly how
Speaker 1: it should be paced, and that this this is exactly
Speaker 1: the way it was supposed to be, that there weren't
Speaker 1: supposed to be pauses, that somehow us not listening to
Speaker 1: each other and talking over each other is, yes, is
Speaker 1: some sign of deep, profound love or whatever. And I'm
Speaker 1: watching it now and it's not correct. It's just not
Speaker 1: it's not it's not right. It's it seems phony. It
Speaker 1: seemed forced, it's not romantic. We're not listening to each other.
Speaker 1: There's nothing about this that makes me say, wow, look
Speaker 1: at these two together. This is what I've been wanting.
Speaker 3: Don't I don't understand Corey, but it's Ben as the actor.
Speaker 3: But I'm sure it was a note, But I don't
Speaker 3: understand the upbeat way that he starts the scene either.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like where he started this episode one way.
Speaker 2: I know, had a confrontation with Topanga and then is
Speaker 2: like somewhere along the way, decided that he has absolute
Speaker 2: faith in their relationship, and.
Speaker 1: He just walks in.
Speaker 3: He's got a smile, like just hoping for someone to help,
Speaker 3: just sit here like.
Speaker 2: But the idea is that he's going to the park
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night by himself to depressed, right,
Speaker 2: But no, it's and it's completely changed.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make this was this was very stan I
Speaker 3: thought the same thing. I'm like just looking going, No,
Speaker 3: you're not listening. Nobody's listening to anybody.
Speaker 1: Ye're just saying stuff back and forth. It was yeah,
Speaker 1: Topanga continues, we talked all day. Corey responds, I wanted
Speaker 1: to see what you saw in it. To Bega goes on.
Speaker 1: We went on a date and he drew me a
Speaker 1: picture of some flowers. Corey explains, I spent half an
Speaker 1: hour looking at it. Trying to understand it. To Panga
Speaker 1: spills the big reveal he kissed me or he doesn't react.
Speaker 1: But I couldn't get it, not by myself. But then
Speaker 1: I remembered what you said. God protects people in their
Speaker 1: little homes. But I'm not like you, Topanga. I can't
Speaker 1: understand those kinds of things so fast. I need you
Speaker 1: to help me, Tapega continues, And I'm not like you
Speaker 1: that I understand that you can kiss somebody and have
Speaker 1: it not mean anything, that you can care about somebody
Speaker 1: so deeply that nothing can change that, no matter how
Speaker 1: many times you tried to tell me. Tapega understands now.
Speaker 1: Corey tells her it was a beautiful painting, and Tapega says,
Speaker 1: it's just a painting. They're real and Corey always understood that.
Speaker 1: Tapega grabs his face into her hands. I love you
Speaker 1: and I will always love you. He smiles, with his
Speaker 1: face mushed in her hands. Another guy kissed you, Topega
Speaker 1: gives him a little grin. Yeah, you want to do
Speaker 1: something about it. Corey leans in and kisses her. When
Speaker 1: they break apart to Penga says, I've felt that boy.
Speaker 1: Corey wonders, so are we starting over? She nods yeah,
Speaker 1: Then she leans in for another kiss. They look up
Speaker 1: at this guy and sure enough, it's a starry night.
Speaker 1: They hold each other as we fade into the credits. Well,
Speaker 1: what do you think you did this week? Your week off?
Speaker 3: I don't know, that's a good question. Probably slept, yeah,
Speaker 3: and was willfully ignorant of this script, right, yeah, speaking,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Do you think you watched it when it came out?
Speaker 1: Do you think? I know for a fact I did that.
Speaker 3: It was the first time I'd ever seen it, and
Speaker 3: I was so looking forward to it because there was
Speaker 3: something very special for me about watching the Lauren episode
Speaker 3: that I wasn't in again. How I got to completely
Speaker 3: remove myself and just watch as a fan. And the
Speaker 3: writing was so good and the acting was so good,
Speaker 3: and I was just with you all as characters, and
Speaker 3: it was just so wonderful. And I had that kind
Speaker 3: of hopefulness going to this episode, and it just this one.
Speaker 1: This was really tough for me. This episode. This was
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm so trying.
Speaker 3: We've you know, I think the people out there, our
Speaker 3: dear listeners, know that we're not here to try to
Speaker 3: bash the episodes or crush anything. We're watching them honestly
Speaker 3: for the first time as adults, and we've even had
Speaker 3: conversations with each other like.
Speaker 1: Are we being too harsh? Are we? I mean?
Speaker 3: And then get an episode like this where man I
Speaker 3: tried and it just this one was really really tough
Speaker 3: for me if it was I don't get this.
Speaker 1: I didn't get this at all. It's just hard to
Speaker 1: root for Coren Topanga. That's my that's the biggest problem
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: It's like the show so obviously wants me to root
Speaker 2: for them, and I do want to, Like I will.
Speaker 2: I think the idea of like tracking an adolescent relationship
Speaker 2: to towards marriage, like if we accept that that's the like,
Speaker 2: there's a version of that that could be really cool,
Speaker 2: you know, and very meaningful. I mean I think about
Speaker 2: like when I watched Wonder years before we did Boy,
Speaker 2: like that relationship felt like, oh, it felt like all
Speaker 2: the ways that I felt about my you know, feelings
Speaker 2: when I was a little kid and or a teenager.
Speaker 2: Like so there's a I think taking teenage relationships and
Speaker 2: seriously so cool as a concept, but this is it's
Speaker 2: just one step too far. It's yeah, it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's didactic, it's telling you what's important, and and
Speaker 2: it's so heavy, it's so over intellectualized, it's so debated,
Speaker 2: it's it just doesn't actually make sense, and it's it's unfortunate.
Speaker 3: And but for the record, the kind of as awful
Speaker 3: as it was, the joy of it was Kevin and
Speaker 3: Winnie didn't end up together.
Speaker 1: Well that's the point, right, Yeah, that was the point.
Speaker 1: Is you cherish those relationships and those feelings.
Speaker 2: But you grow up, and by growing up you learn
Speaker 2: that you can't just pick somebody and you're you're not destined,
Speaker 2: and that those feelings of destiny don't actually mean that
Speaker 2: you But in this case, like yeah, that's yeah, that's well.
Speaker 1: Then we're back in the Philadelphia Art Museum. Angela and
Speaker 1: Sewn are staring at a different Vang painting, and she asks,
Speaker 1: what does this make you think of? He aggressively grabs
Speaker 1: her and places her in front of the painting, and
Speaker 1: then passionately kisses her. Then he waltzes up to the
Speaker 1: next painting. He wonders, what does this make you think of?
Speaker 1: Because paintings make you hot. You see paintings of van
Speaker 1: Go Stacks of hay, yeah what and she grabs him
Speaker 1: and does the same thing. Then the lovebirds grab hands
Speaker 1: and walk over to what we know is Starry Night.
Speaker 1: They stare at it for a moment before Angela asks,
Speaker 1: and what about this? He pulls her in close and
Speaker 1: they intensely study the piece.
Speaker 2: So this was a miss member, miss remembered. I thought
Speaker 2: we were slammed, which I guess we maybe did rehearsal
Speaker 2: and then back because she was pregnant or and now
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it, like we probably couldn't have been
Speaker 2: slamming each other up against.
Speaker 1: A wall a museum.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, well especially that one security guard and nobody cares, right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't understand what what's the message of
Speaker 1: this about your relationship that your relationship is more sexual,
Speaker 1: has more sexual chemistry or is it just the power
Speaker 1: of the paintings.
Speaker 2: I think the power of the painting. This like we're
Speaker 2: we're like making a game of like make makeout artistic
Speaker 2: and the story just really gets it real art. It's God, right,
Speaker 2: we feel the power of God. Yeah, and I mean
Speaker 2: this this moment actually kind of bummed me out for
Speaker 2: the first time in a while of like, oh, Sean
Speaker 2: and Angela were a fun relationship to have as a
Speaker 2: counter to the corych Panga thing, And it would have
Speaker 2: been nice if we ended up together because we have
Speaker 2: so many more complicated conversations. I think about being different
Speaker 2: types of people and coming together, and I feel like that,
Speaker 2: you know, because people have said over the years like
Speaker 2: that they like the Seawan and Angela relationship more than
Speaker 2: the Corry Topang.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't see why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's so much more, and it's like
Speaker 2: none of this destiny fate meant to be like authority to.
Speaker 1: Actually challenge each other and then balance each other out,
Speaker 1: and or even if you don't end up agreeing, you
Speaker 1: respect the POV and you know, and come around to saying,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean in this case, you were one
Speaker 1: hundred percent on the idea of no, Corey and Tapanga,
Speaker 1: we have to get them back together. And she was like, dude,
Speaker 1: I encourage her to go, and I'm sorry, bro, it's over.
Speaker 1: And you got to a point where you were like, man,
Speaker 1: that's not what I want, but it's the reality I
Speaker 1: have to accept, right, Yeah, that's you know all reason. Yeah, yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you all for joining us for this episode of
Speaker 1: Pod Meets World. You can join us for our next
Speaker 1: episode recap, which will be season five episode twenty one,
Speaker 1: Honesty Night, which originally aired April twenty fourth, nineteen ninety eight.
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