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Speaker 2: Kenny Florian, who's trying to make everybody cry on Father's

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Speaker 2: Day with those Instagram posts. Monday June twenty second, The

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Speaker 2: year is twenty twenty. Good to have you with us,

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Speaker 2: Episode two fifty five of the Anak and Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's good to see him, my man, this is this

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Speaker 2: is your brother Kirk's birthday. Man, and I have to

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Speaker 2: lead with that, and we're gonna get to May Rocky

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Speaker 2: BJJ opening up and everything that UFC fight Night Blades

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Speaker 2: versus Volkov held. But obviously, your brother Kirk passed away

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Speaker 2: several years ago and there was a thoughtful post to

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Speaker 2: him on Instagram and I know you, I know Keith,

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Speaker 2: I know Edgar, but I think Kirk might have been

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Speaker 2: life and honestly probably the Florian brother that reminded me

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Speaker 2: most of myself. So that that post this morning touched me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, thanks so much, man, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's hard, it's crazy looking back and being

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Speaker 3: like he's he's not gone, and you know, like he's

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Speaker 3: there's so many times where I want to call him

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Speaker 3: and talk to him. Still haven't been able to delete

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Speaker 3: him from my contact, but he is, he is remembered,

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Speaker 3: and thank.

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Speaker 2: You for that, of course, my man. All right, So

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Speaker 2: last Wednesday, the doors open Marocky BJJ, sort of a

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Speaker 2: on social media. So what was it like to sort

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Speaker 2: of welcome the general masses back inside the building. It

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Speaker 3: You know, we're limiting we've been limiting it to about

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Speaker 3: it's very different than it was before. We have very

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Speaker 3: But I got to say, it's great to see the

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Speaker 2: People are just like smiling again.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, being able to create a community

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Speaker 3: We're all happy and starting to get back to some

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Speaker 2: So it's been nice. Man. That's great, man, because I

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Speaker 2: and that of course is UFC Fight Night Blades versus Volcov.

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Speaker 2: I loved this fight card top to bottom, but I

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Speaker 2: respect for Alexander Volkov in defeat. His training camp was compromised.

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Speaker 3: I thought for Curtis Blades, he started off phenomenally well.

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Speaker 2: I think he got a little excited.

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Speaker 3: And I felt like Blades was just pushing a little

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Speaker 3: I think he pushed a little too hard, too fast,

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Speaker 3: that fight. Positionally, he could have been better with his

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Speaker 2: But I think we'll see a better Blades next time out.

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Speaker 2: So when Curtis Blades fought you in your Dos Santos

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Speaker 2: I do think there's valuable experience gain. There's lessons to

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Speaker 2: Thankfully he didn't pay the ultimate price. What are your

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Speaker 2: least this night proved to be as scrypted. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he came in with the highest takedown defense at least statistically,

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Speaker 3: Listen, I think Vulcan learned a lot from this five

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Speaker 2: And I think Volkov is going to learn that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he does need to improve his wrestling and his

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Speaker 3: and you know, I think that he was standing a

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Speaker 3: I think was confusing Volkoff. But I think if Volkov

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: This heavyweight division isn't the strongest been right now, so

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Speaker 3: I think Volkoff can definitely get back on track. I

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Speaker 2: I just want to ask you one more technical thing,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I listen. Volkov has a lot to work on,

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Speaker 3: as does Blades. Both those guys positionally could be a

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Speaker 2: And we'll see what happens with Curtis Blades. I believe

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Speaker 2: Francis and Ganu, and it stands to reason that in

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Speaker 2: Josh Emmett was the impetus for Joey Rodriguez becoming the

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Speaker 2: to fight at times is with his hands down. I

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Speaker 2: think he has a very effective style. I do believe

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Speaker 2: on any given Saturday night he can be one of

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Speaker 2: the best featherweights in the world. But from a judging perspective,

437
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Speaker 2: you know, they saw him get hit with a lot

438
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Speaker 2: of crisp shots and they did not see this fight

439
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Speaker 2: for him obviously. Well, I think that's a part of

440
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Speaker 2: the problem, listen.

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Speaker 3: I think what makes Burgos such a fighter is the

442
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Speaker 3: fact that he is very aggressive and he brings the

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Speaker 3: fight to his opponents. The problem is is that he's

444
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Speaker 3: not utilizing his physical ability to his maximum capacity. I think,

445
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Speaker 3: you know, as a guy who's arranger fighter and the

446
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Speaker 3: guy who moves well, he should be the slicker fighter

447
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Speaker 3: out there. Emmett is one of those guys who is

448
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Speaker 3: a bruiser, He's a brawler.

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Speaker 2: He can play that game.

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Speaker 3: For Burgos, I was surprised that, you know, he hasn't

451
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Speaker 3: adapted a style to be more slick, to be more evasive,

452
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Speaker 3: to be more elusive, to stick and move, to utilize.

453
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Speaker 2: His range to the best of his ability.

454
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Speaker 3: But if you're moving forward and hanging out in the pocket,

455
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Speaker 3: then you're not taking advantage of the fact that you're

456
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Speaker 3: the longer fighter out there. And yes, you do have

457
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Speaker 3: this awesome chin, but we know, John, that could be

458
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Speaker 3: the case this fight, and that could be completely gone

459
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Speaker 3: in the next fight. You cannot take damage like that.

460
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Speaker 3: So I think for Burgos, he needs to understand that

461
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Speaker 3: it is not a sprint, this is a marathon, and

462
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Speaker 3: if he wants to have a long career in the

463
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Speaker 3: UFC at the highest level, he has to be more elusive.

464
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Speaker 2: And it's not like he's not capable of being slick.

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Speaker 3: This is a very good athlete and a smart kid

466
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Speaker 3: as well, so he just has to be a little

467
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Speaker 3: bit I think smarter in his approach and how he

468
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Speaker 3: goes about it, especially now that he's in that elite ten,

469
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Speaker 3: you know, top ten, or at least close to that

470
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Speaker 3: you know, as as he is in the featherweight division, right, No,

471
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Speaker 3: that you put that beautifully, and I think his style

472
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Speaker 3: is such that there are going to be people who

473
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Speaker 3: are going to want to fight him, and certainly people

474
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Speaker 3: who are going to want to see him fight.

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Speaker 2: But he was absolutely devastated after the fact because he's

476
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Speaker 2: not a bonus guy. He's a win guy, you know,

477
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Speaker 2: like Bruce Buffer said to him after the fact, Oh

478
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Speaker 2: you got the fifty K. But he's a w guy.

479
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 2: He doesn't care about the bonus. And I know people

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Speaker 2: get sick of me saying this, but if you're Shane

481
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Speaker 2: Burgos thinking twoy twenty one, I'm going to get my

482
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Speaker 2: title shot, this ends up being like a two year setback,

483
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Speaker 2: at least as far as his championship trajectory is concerned.

484
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Speaker 2: So we'll see where Burgos goes praying for health for

485
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Speaker 2: Josh Emmett because that dude is must see TV and

486
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Speaker 2: certainly packs a lot of heat behind everything that he's throwing.

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Speaker 4: And I'm going to quench a holes fucking such that.

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 2: Podcast always a pleasure to be joined by the great

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Speaker 2: Raymond Peter Longo, who has gone away with the hat

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Speaker 4: My word, we're just gonna you know, I think we're

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Speaker 4: gonna cut it now. I Frovola. You know, I'm so

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Speaker 4: mad that Frovola didn't get the fight. We had another

554
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Speaker 4: huge parade.

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Speaker 2: I thought you might have it. Yeah, I had a.

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Speaker 4: Just had of sympathy for that whole thing. I shaved

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Speaker 4: my grubble off, but I left the hair. So another week,

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Speaker 2: And that's not a halo over I mean, that's not

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Speaker 2: a light over your head.

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Speaker 3: That's a halo. There's no light in that office. The

562
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Speaker 3: angels are singing over his hair.

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Speaker 5: You like how I positioned that, right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Beautiful? All right.

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Speaker 2: So word came down middle of the week that Matt

567
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Speaker 2: Frovola was out of his fight with Frank Camacho. It

568
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Speaker 2: was a fight that a lot of people were looking

569
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Speaker 2: forward to, and of course you saw Justin James go

570
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Speaker 2: out and knock out Frank Camacho. So that probably was

571
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Speaker 2: hard for Matt Frovola to watch. But a guy who

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Speaker 2: we all absolutely love, Billy Corntello, who had fought on

573
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Speaker 2: May thirtieth, there to corner. Matt Ravola tested positive twice

574
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Speaker 2: for COVID nineteen and so for Vola, despite two negative tests,

575
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Speaker 2: was not able to compete. Man. You got a feel

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Speaker 2: for for Vola, man, I mean, he's had a couple

577
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Speaker 2: fights go away now Ray since COVID intervened, and h

578
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Speaker 2: he's a good dude who deserves to continue his momentum.

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Speaker 2: But these circumstances keep getting in the way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, that was a horrible thing. And you know, I

582
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Speaker 4: spoke to both of those guys in Billy was he

583
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Speaker 4: felt great.

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Speaker 5: He listened.

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Speaker 4: The kid fought two weeks ago, then he trained with

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Speaker 4: Forvola for this fight. So whether he has it or

587
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Speaker 4: he doesn't have it, or you know, he tested, he said,

588
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Speaker 4: definitely felt great and it didn't affect his training at all.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know. I think there's still a lot

590
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Speaker 4: of unanswered questions about all of this stuff. But I

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Speaker 4: hope we get to the bottom of it, you know,

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Speaker 4: sooner rather than later. And just unfortunate because again he

593
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Speaker 4: you know, he kind of moved his camp to Florida

594
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Speaker 4: just so he could train because they had, you know,

595
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Speaker 4: a little less restricted than we were, right, and he

596
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Speaker 4: did everything he could. He wanted that fight, he wanted,

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Speaker 4: you know, fight, to be honest with you, and just

598
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Speaker 4: kind of you know that shit sucks.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: We got the word as father called me, I think

601
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Speaker 4: Thursday night, uh, and he thought it was gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: I think one couple of doctors said it was okay,

603
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Speaker 4: and then I guess they had to reach out to

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Speaker 4: somebody else and they squashed it.

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Speaker 5: So unfortunate, but I'm sure he'll be back.

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Speaker 4: And you know, look after looking at that too, cats

607
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Speaker 4: off to James for jumping in there and season the opportunity.

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Speaker 5: I think that would have been a great fight for

609
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Speaker 5: for Vola and man, we could have had the hat trick,

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm I know, I know that's what I'm thinking. Man,

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Speaker 5: three in a row, that would have been great.

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Speaker 4: You know, Kenny, I who had hoops all lined up

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Speaker 4: and I had to cut him short right right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, parade canceled, man, Kenny. I feel badly for for Vola,

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Speaker 2: of course, but I feel really badly for Billy Q.

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Speaker 2: I mean, could you imagine in your career, Kenny, if

617
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Speaker 2: in this climate you prepare for a fight and everybody

618
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Speaker 2: feels great and Keith is asymptomatic and he pops and

619
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Speaker 2: so you can't fight. I just feel for Billy, and

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Speaker 2: you know, for Vola is such a good dude. He's

621
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Speaker 2: not gonna make him feel bad. But I just think

622
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Speaker 2: for this had to be a really tough few days

623
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Speaker 2: to deal with this.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely he must feel you know, terrible about it, you know,

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Speaker 3: And and I think the big thing on that is that,

626
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Speaker 3: you know, if you do have it and you're not

627
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Speaker 3: showing symptoms, they still haven't confirmed and the experts still

628
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Speaker 3: don't know whether you can actually give it to someone

629
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Speaker 3: or not. It seems like you can't. But obviously the

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Speaker 3: UFC taking the right precautions, just making sure, uh that

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Speaker 3: you know, Matt and everybody else around Billy is safe.

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Speaker 3: And it's unfortunate, man. You know, these fighters put in

633
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Speaker 3: so much work to get ready for a fight, especially

634
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Speaker 3: during these crazy times, and to get all the way

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Speaker 3: to to fight week and not be able to compete.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a tough one for everybody involved.

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Speaker 4: And the other thing is man then they you know,

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Speaker 4: you got to get quarantined for another two weeks, you can.

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Speaker 4: I mean I'd lose my ship at that point, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, if I decide to go back, you know,

641
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Speaker 4: and this this type of ship drives me nuts. I

642
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Speaker 4: definitely can't afford to be hanging out anywhere for two

643
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Speaker 4: weeks for sure. And uh, I mean, I guess the

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Speaker 4: thing to do is to get tested right before you go,

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Speaker 4: even you know, wherever you're living, just know that you're

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Speaker 4: negative so that doesn't happen. And I guess the other

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Speaker 4: thing is don't travel travel with your corner man.

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Speaker 5: Everybody just split up.

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Speaker 4: So because I'm saying, if he's not with Billy Q,

650
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 4: he's fighting right most likely, I think I think the

651
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 4: fact that he was traveling with him as one of

652
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 4: his corners, that's what that that was the problem.

653
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 5: I think I don't even know, but.

654
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, hats off to the UFC for ever on the

655
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: side of you know, safety.

656
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: Also, it's not a great job. He's not a great

657
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: job here in Vegas, man, I'm telling you. I mean,

658
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: I'm still here. Everybody has left. All the new fighters

659
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: are going to come in tomorrow. It is a ghost

660
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: town right now. It's a little bit eerie being here

661
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: at the host Hotel by myself. Hey, Ray, speaking of

662
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: losing your ship, are you keeping your ship together these days?

663
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: Because for me, things have changed, like my wife's going

664
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: crazy at home with three kids. But now I've had

665
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: a chance to leave three times extendedly every time. How

666
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: are you doing in terms of the day to day

667
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: just dealing with the limitations now, I think.

668
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 5: You know, look, I'm honestly at this point, you know,

669
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 5: I don't.

670
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 4: It's I just go down to the gym by myself,

671
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 4: me and another person. I get my workouts in. We're

672
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 4: very very safe anything. I have a face shield. If

673
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 4: I do anything with anybody, I put the face shield on.

674
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of getting back to normal. It looks

675
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 4: like the beginning of July, we're opening up, so you know,

676
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 4: we're cleaning the gym. We had that service come in to,

677
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 4: you know, clean the whole gym out for the COVID

678
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 4: uh which was which was a nice service.

679
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 5: Somebody actually donated to us.

680
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 4: And that's it, you know, And I'm doing pretty good.

681
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm kind of back to normal. I

682
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 4: got a bicycle, so I started riding.

683
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

684
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: I mean, when you get a haircut, it's gonna look

685
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: like you lost like seven pounds to look at it.

686
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 4: I think that's what I'm looking for. I think that's

687
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 4: the exact effect I'm looking for.

688
00:30:59,360 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 5: John.

689
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: That's why I shave my head every four days. All right,

690
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: black t shirts and haircuts, right, That's.

691
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 5: What I'm down to now, that's the way I lose weight.

692
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 5: Black ty shirts and haircuts.

693
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: A couple other performances I want to get to. And

694
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: with Bobby Green's win over Clay Gweder, there's a lot

695
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: to unpack when it comes to the fight, but I

696
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: think a lot of people are focusing and rightfully so,

697
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: on his powerful post fight interview with Heidiandrel when he

698
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: brought in his father figure, Jacob Benny, who's his head

699
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: coach and has done so much for him. So first

700
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: I'll say I'm happy that the judges saw that fight

701
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: for Bobby Green, because I did too. He had one

702
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: win since twenty fourteen, despite recent performances against guys like

703
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: trecar Close and Francisco Rinaldo that were actually very good

704
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: and he was not rewarded for So a big knight

705
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: for Bobby Green and an emotional, powerful message coming out

706
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: of King Green after the fact.

707
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 4: Ray, Yeah, listen, man, I love Clay Gwieder. I think

708
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 4: he's a class act. Always liked him, got a great family,

709
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 4: met his mom and dad, and you know, he's just

710
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: a good dude.

711
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 5: That But Bobby Green.

712
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 4: I think after watching his post fight speech, he had

713
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: to win that.

714
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 5: Fight because that was the time to deliver that speech.

715
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 5: And as much as I you know, I like play

716
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 5: and everything, I.

717
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: Think it was great that he won. And I only

718
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 4: met Bobby once. Seems like a cool dude. But I'll

719
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 4: always be a fan of his Now. I thought he

720
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 4: knocked it out of the park bringing in his father

721
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: who was white. At a time like this where it

722
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: looks like did somebody's trying to just divide us as

723
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 4: much as possible. This was a great, great thing and

724
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 4: it's really that simple man. There's good people out there.

725
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: Has nothing to do with color.

726
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 5: I don't want to get it. I'm like, I'm not

727
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 5: gonna go work on a.

728
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 4: Rant on this, but I was so taken back when

729
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 4: I saw Bobby Green and his dad and there. I

730
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 4: was like, Wow, this is really good and it's that

731
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 4: simple man. Because I'll tell you go to CNN or Fox.

732
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: You will get your brain scrambled listening to these people

733
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 4: both shitting and lying.

734
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 5: You don't know what's true. But that's true. That's real.

735
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 4: That was real, and I think I will always be

736
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 4: a fan of that guys moving forward, I mean not

737
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 4: that I wasn't before. I only met him once. He

738
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 4: seemed like a good guy. But I gotta tell you,

739
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 4: I thought he knocked it out of the punk and

740
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 4: I thought he made a statement that everybody could learn from. Man.

741
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bobby Green's the fucking man. Like if you don't

742
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: know his backstory, you may want to go google him,

743
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 2: write foster care bouncing in and around, no great support system,

744
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: you know. I believe right now he has three kids

745
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: with three different women, and he's navigating that whole circumstance

746
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: as well. But his oldest son, Jeremiah, was the impetus

747
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: for his fighting career, and now the guy's got twenty

748
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: five pro wins. But he's just a really good dude

749
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: and was really happy for him. Speaking of good dudes,

750
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: Ray and Kenny, how about Jim Miller. I do want

751
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: to get Kenny's thoughts on on Roosevelt Roberts's maybe grappling

752
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: shortcomings defensively in the fight, of course, because I know

753
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: Kenny watches the grappling as intimately as anybody. But how

754
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: about fucking Jim Miller thirty five UFC fights, He's never

755
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: fought for the belt. But I think you're gonna have

756
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: no choice but to put the guy in the Hall

757
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,719
Speaker 2: of Fame top three in terms of wins, and seems

758
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: to have found a good resty with medication and supplements

759
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: to combat the lime disease. He looks better than ever.

760
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 4: I mean, oh, I mean, I don't know where to start, Kenny,

761
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 4: but I gotta tell you, hats off to Jim Miller.

762
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 4: He's that guy's a fucking legend. He really is, and

763
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 4: he's an unknown legend good so he doesn't get really

764
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 4: like the way we're talking about him now. I think

765
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 4: it should be done more. But obviously if you ever

766
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 4: met him, just a down to earth, grassroots type of guy.

767
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 4: And man, I tell you, it looks like again that

768
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 4: lime disease was no joke. But he looks like he's

769
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 4: got that beat. He's in a great spot. He's getting

770
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 4: up there in age. But I'm going to tell you something, man,

771
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 4: he took out a young guy that's an up and comer,

772
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 4: or at least thought a guy who thought he he

773
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 4: himself was an up and comber, right, and he kind

774
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: of made that look easy. And uh, man, I gotta

775
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 4: tell you, man, I don't even know where to start

776
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 4: with him. I think like again, he's one of those

777
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: guys that doesn't get the credit that he's really due.

778
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any stop in sight for him.

779
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 4: It didn't look like for a minute. And he'll fight

780
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: any He's for everybody.

781
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: So he's literally fought everybody in that division. Kenny, you

782
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: picked him as a plus two hundred underdog. It was

783
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 2: a four point hit for you in our main event.

784
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 2: Challenge your thoughts on Miller and if he got anything

785
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 2: on Roberts in defeat, will take that as well.

786
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 3: You know, Jim Miller is one of those guys who

787
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 3: was most dangerous when you underestimate him, and he's been

788
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: around forever.

789
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 2: He is always a threat on the ground.

790
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 3: And the way that he matched up against Roberts, I

791
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 3: thought was why I picked him.

792
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: I thought that he was the better grappler.

793
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 3: I thought that, you know, Roosevelt Roberts is a decent striker,

794
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 3: but he's not one of those guys that really is

795
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: gonna be that big of a threat against someone like

796
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: Jim Miller. Jim Miller has so much experience and you know,

797
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 3: dealing with everything that he's dealt with coming back from

798
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: all that adversity that he's dealt with in his life.

799
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: I just felt like the time was now and Jim

800
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: was able to pull it off. He's an absolute treasure.

801
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys that has done things the

802
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: right way. And people aren't talking about Jim Miller because

803
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 3: Jim Miller doesn't talk about Jim Miller. He goes out

804
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: there and he fights. It doesn't matter win or lose.

805
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 3: He gives one hundred percent. How can you not love

806
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: someone like Jim Miller. It was awesome to see him

807
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: get the win.

808
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 5: Well, really well said.

809
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 4: And I got to tell you, he looks great and

810
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 4: he's been in some big fights. He's been in some wars.

811
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 4: This guy looks he looks awesome. What is he thirty six?

812
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: Now?

813
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 4: I think he's thirty six, thirty seven. I mean, he

814
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 4: looks phenomenal. He's just like and I and again, can

815
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 4: you hit on something which I love? You don't hear

816
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: about Hi because he doesn't talk about himself, unlike Roosevelt Roberts,

817
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 4: who does talk about himself a lot. So I think

818
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 4: that'll be a learning lesson of him. I mean, well, well,

819
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 4: every time the guy wins a fight, he calls out Travola.

820
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 5: I don't even get it, Like, what do you get?

821
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 4: Met Travola doesn't say a word about anything.

822
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 5: I never seen a guy on social media doesn't talk shit.

823
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 4: This guy every time he wins a fighter, he's looking

824
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 4: for Matt Travola is interesting.

825
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 5: Now maybe they thinking about Ravoli.

826
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 4: Overlook Jim Miller and you got your arms snapped and

827
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 4: he got it snapped too, Because I don't even think.

828
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 5: I don't know.

829
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: He just slick.

830
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was slick, yeah, yeah, and he got his

831
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 5: own hurt for sure.

832
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: All right, last thing, Ray before I let you go,

833
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: and certainly we want to get Ken Flow's thoughts on

834
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: this as well. The first fight of the night, Max Roskoff,

835
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: undefeated at five and zero, making his UFC debut on

836
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: short notice, taking on Austin Hubbard. Far more UFC tested,

837
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: far more experience, comes from a great Camp Elevation fight team.

838
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: So I think most of the people who are listening

839
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: to this podcast know what happened. At the end of

840
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: the second round, Rashkoff told his chief quarter Robert Drysdale,

841
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: that he was done, and Robert I thought, I thought,

842
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: did a really good job. Kenny and Ray. If I'm

843
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: being honest, I thought he was patient. I thought his

844
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: tone was effective. I thought he didn't overreact right away.

845
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: I thought Drysdale was collected and trying to maintain the

846
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: mental of his athlete, who seemingly would regret this half

847
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: an hour later, right And I think he was trying

848
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: to keep him in the fight. I mean, there's so

849
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: many different angles to this. I'm gonna try to set

850
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: it up as efficiently as possible. But because there was

851
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: no crowd, Ray Mark Smith, the referee, was able to

852
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: hear this interaction between coach and fighter, so he went

853
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: over asked Roskoff if he wanted to continue. Max said no,

854
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 2: and the doctor was there and they called off the fight. Now,

855
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: this isn't comparative to a lot of recent situations involving

856
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: Anthony Smith and Tony Ferguson where guys were taking an

857
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: absolute beating. But there's a lot to unpack here. Ray,

858
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: what was your thought on Drysdale in the corner and

859
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: overall what he should or shouldn't have done in that situation.

860
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 5: Uh No, I think Drysdale did the right thing.

861
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 4: Look, the thing everybody has to understand, there's a relationship

862
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 4: between a fight, right and his coach, So we don't

863
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 4: know what that relationship is. You know, I gotta tell

864
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 4: you five fights really not a lot of fights. So

865
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know if you really know the

866
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 4: guy yet. But and they probably never hit it like that.

867
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: But that was a big platform to throw that kid into.

868
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 4: That's the first thing, you know what I mean, After

869
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 4: five fights, if you're not a special guy, that could

870
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 4: be a big mistake. But I thought Drysdale handled it.

871
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 4: But we don't know the relationship. We don't know if

872
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 4: he's done that to him in sparring. We don't know

873
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 4: if this guy's felt like quitting before. You don't know

874
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 4: if we could trust what he says. Does he, you know,

875
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 4: get out of workouts because say my leg hurts and

876
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 4: you know it doesn't you know what I mean. We

877
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 4: don't really know a lot of stuff. But I think

878
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 4: that kid made a pretty evident and pretty clear that

879
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 4: he wanted out of that fight. I mean, and look

880
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 4: if he would have said, look I broke my shin,

881
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 4: I can't walk, I'm out. Everybody's fine. You know, I

882
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 4: think he maybe needed to express himself maybe a little

883
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 4: more and say, look, man, I just I'm having a

884
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 4: panic attack. The anxiety's overwhelming. I can't go out there.

885
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 4: I'm frozen, you know something. And I think everybody, uh

886
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 4: you know, would empathize with what he was going through.

887
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 5: But it's a it's definitely a shitty position for both guys.

888
00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 5: I think.

889
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: I think, like again, Drysdale didn't seem like he you know,

890
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 4: like what I look for in those things. Kenny is

891
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 4: the corner guy, invested in himself for the fighter, you

892
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like, do you want does he

893
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: not want to look bad?

894
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 5: Right? Or he did?

895
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 4: All about the fighter. And I thought Drysdale did a

896
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 4: good job. He seemed like he was caring. Yeah, he

897
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 4: wanted to give the guy just enough opportunities, you sure,

898
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 4: you know, like so I thought he did the right job.

899
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, the fighter really

900
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 5: made that call and.

901
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 4: Just you know, he wasn't even being persuaded one iota

902
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 4: of whatever anybody was saying.

903
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 5: He wanted out of there.

904
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 4: And I hope the guys are right, because again, that

905
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 4: was a big platform to be thrown into and we

906
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 4: don't know where he was.

907
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 5: Only two guys know him and his trainer.

908
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: Kenny very quickly. I just want to provide a little

909
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: bit of background and then I'll let you have as

910
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: much time as you want. So Roskoff was about a

911
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: two to one favorite over Austin. Hubbard had a lot

912
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 2: of hype. He had a very challenging upbringing. He was

913
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 2: an ACC wrestling champion at NC State. So there certainly

914
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 2: are some chops, right, some wrestling chops, but obviously didn't

915
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: have a lot of UFC exps Kenny. The other thing

916
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: I just want to say before I passed the baton,

917
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: You've seen some journalists like Louke Thomas come out and

918
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: just talk about just playing and simply a cornerman's obligation

919
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: to protect a fighter. We've heard that about of State

920
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 2: Athletic Commission might investigate Robert Drysdale for maybe a lack

921
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: of protection here, even though I would vehemently defend his actions.

922
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: Overall thoughts on what we saw in the first fight

923
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 2: of the night, Yeah.

924
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: I'm glad you you know you brought up you know,

925
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 3: Luke Thomas. I think, uh, Luke is is a smart guy.

926
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: And you know, not all fights. You can't treat all

927
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 3: of those instances the same. And typically I'm always gonna

928
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: lean towards, you know, lean towards the fighter. If the

929
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 3: fighter doesn't want to fight, okay, that's fine, But who

930
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 3: knows that fighter better than anybody else?

931
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 2: The coach and just like Ray said, that relationship is huge.

932
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: You've seen this guy in the gym, You've seen the

933
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: guy out of the gym. You know his mentality, you

934
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: know what he can do. And let's look at the

935
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 3: fight itself. For me, I don't care what the judges said.

936
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 3: I thought Max won that first round. Okay, he got

937
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: him on the ground, He had him in some situations

938
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: where it looked like he was close to his submission.

939
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: He had him in that saddle position with both legs

940
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 3: tied up, didn't finish properly. Okay, whatever, He won that

941
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 3: first round in my opinion, the second round he definitely lost.

942
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: There was a combination, there was a one to two

943
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: that looked like it hurt Max at one point, a

944
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: couple other shots that were decent. But was he getting

945
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: absolutely murdered? I mean, what was he just like getting

946
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: rock getting knocked down repeatedly, couldn't see out of his eyes,

947
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 3: was limping or any way shape or form?

948
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: No, I didn't see that. Now that doesn't mean he

949
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: wasn't hurt.

950
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: But now we also have to go back to the

951
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 3: corner instances, the exchange with Robert Drysdale. He didn't say

952
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 3: that he was hurt. He didn't say that he couldn't see.

953
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: He didn't say that he was dizzy, he didn't say

954
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 3: that he was limping. To me, that was a mental issue.

955
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 3: That was a mental hurdle that he needed to get over.

956
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: And what did Robert Drysdale do. He tried to get

957
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 3: him out of that. He tried to say, hey, listen, man,

958
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 3: you can do this. You go out there, you take

959
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 3: him down. You relax on the takedowns, control the position,

960
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: don't go nuts trying to submit him like a crazy

961
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 3: man like you did in the first round. You know

962
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: that that's probably what should have been said. But he said, listen,

963
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: you go out you take him down, You win the fight,

964
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 3: you know, cause again I thought he won the round

965
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 3: one as well.

966
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: So I think this is a kid who is talented.

967
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: And a lot of times when you have talent and

968
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: you beat a bunch of people up in the gym

969
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 3: and you're five and zero and you're beating you're having

970
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: these easy fights, you don't know what it's like to

971
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: encounter that kind of adversity, and he experienced that for

972
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: the first time in the UFC.

973
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: In the UFC, and now.

974
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: There's some other you know, talk about the fact that

975
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: he might have he might have had an injury heading

976
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: into this fight. So he hasn't really encountered much adversity

977
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 3: as far as in the in the cage.

978
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: Okay, it was his sixth fight overall. He may have

979
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 2: had an injury.

980
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 3: He took the fight on like what five or ten

981
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: days notice or something or whatever it was.

982
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: Uh, that's not a whole lot of time.

983
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: That's a that's a lot to deal with being a

984
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 3: young fighter coming into this and a lot of times,

985
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: you know, we think we do a lot of good

986
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: and telling people, hey, you're gonna be the next thing,

987
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: and you're the prodigy and you're amazing, and you're the

988
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: greatest thing to ever come into this gym, and you

989
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: build them up and now you know, they have this

990
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: false sense of security, they think they're invincible, and then

991
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: they experience that and they go, oh shit, maybe I'm

992
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: not the thing. Maybe I'm not this talented guy that

993
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to deal with. So I thought Drysdale did

994
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 3: the right thing. Now, on the eighth ninth time that

995
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 3: your fighter is telling you he wants to give up,

996
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 3: maybe maybe you should let go because at this point,

997
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: this is when you find out if that kid's a

998
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: fighter or not. I'm not saying he isn't right because

999
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 3: he could still come back and go, Hey, listen, I

1000
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: made a I made I made a mistake. I am

1001
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: a fighter. I know I could get through this. I

1002
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 3: just didn't experience that before. Okay, that's a different that's

1003
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: a different story. You know whether he can come back

1004
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,240
Speaker 3: from this, I don't know. I don't know Max right,

1005
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: Drysdale knows him better than anybody who's making any of

1006
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 3: these assessments in the media. So I think that's on

1007
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 3: Drysdale to do that. If I know a fighter is

1008
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: kind of a little bit of a quitter. He's got talent,

1009
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:12,959
Speaker 3: but he doesn't have the heart. I'm gonna say, hey,

1010
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 3: you know what you're done. Uh, maybe this isn't for you.

1011
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 3: But if you've seen him in the gym, and you

1012
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: know what he's capable of, and you know you've seen

1013
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 3: him come back, you know what he's dealt with in

1014
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 3: his life or whatever, you got to push your fighter

1015
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: on that. That's also your job. Yes, you're as a cornerman,

1016
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: you want to protect your fighter, but also your job

1017
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 3: is to booy your fighter and give him the confidence

1018
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: to keep going on, so you can't ignore that.

1019
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, you bring up a good thing. Kenny too. I'm

1020
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 5: gonna tell you something.

1021
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 4: Honestly, I didn't see the second round, but I was confused.

1022
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 4: I had I just went back and looked at the

1023
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 4: stuff in the corner. But that first round he unequivocally

1024
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 4: won ton I thought, though, yeah, but he was dominating

1025
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 4: that round. When I heard he was down to I

1026
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 4: wasn't even sure they were talking about this, right, I

1027
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 4: hadn't seen the second round, So I agree with everything

1028
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 4: Kenny says.

1029
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 5: I really don't judges.

1030
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: The judges are off, by the way, just to go

1031
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 3: back on a complete the judges.

1032
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: Wrong that night.

1033
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 5: He did not lived that first round, no way.

1034
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: So he did say on the stool, you know, this

1035
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: kid hits hard, and I do think he intimated like

1036
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: I'm just this isn't for me, or I don't want

1037
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: to do this. So it will be interesting to see

1038
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 2: if Max Roschkoff resumes his career, because I think he will,

1039
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: and I do think he has a lot to offer.

1040
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: And he has potential and I think he can realize success.

1041
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I do believe that there are a lot

1042
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: of people out there trying to simplify what is inherently

1043
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: a pretty complicated issue. And however you feel about Robin Black,

1044
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: I would encourage you to go seek out his YouTube

1045
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: video because he has studied the brain extensively, and Ken

1046
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: Flow takes a scientific approach to a lot of these

1047
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: conversations as well, and sometimes it really is just a

1048
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: matter of trying to get your athlete over the mental hurl.

1049
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: And I'll be honest with you. When I was outside

1050
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: fucking running this morning, you know, at altitude in the

1051
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: Vegas heat, I was thinking about that little bit, like

1052
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: can you push yourself a little bit more? You fucking pussy?

1053
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: And uh, I quit right in that moment. I decided

1054
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 2: is not for you, John, You know all right? Hey Ray,

1055
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: always good to see you, my man. And uh, unless

1056
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: you got anything else, We're gonna make some picks for

1057
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: Poorer and Hooker. Who do you like this weekend? Dustin

1058
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 2: and Dan Hooker?

1059
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 4: Huh oh man, that's a really tough fight.

1060
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 2: I think so too.

1061
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 4: Uh, I'm gonna I think I'm leaning towards hooker.

1062
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 2: In that fight, lean towards the underdog. All right, he's

1063
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: like plus one eighty or so. I think the line

1064
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: is wide wider than it should be. So all right,

1065
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: my man, Ray long go MMA on Instagram. Appreciate your

1066
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 2: time as always, sir, We'll talk to you next Monday.

1067
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, guys, thanks for everything.

1068
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: Enjoy all right, Ray long Ago every week here on

1069
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: the Anak and Florian Podcast. Before we get to the

1070
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: main event challenge, Kenny, I just wanted to acknowledge Raquel

1071
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 2: Pennington and Tsha Torrez rock Nato getting it done in

1072
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: a big way. I don't even know if you saw

1073
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: the t Sha Torrez fight, but she started her UFC

1074
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 2: career six and one, right. She was six and five

1075
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: entering the octagon this weekend. She had lost four in

1076
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: a row, all to elite competition. She had been competitive

1077
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: at times, but her last fight against Marina Hadriguez, she

1078
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 2: was self admittedly just listless. She thought fighting in this

1079
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: environment without a crowd would make it feel like a

1080
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: competitive sparring session. And this is the tiny Tornado that

1081
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: people thought was gonna realize UFC greatness when she's just

1082
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 2: fighting with reckless abandon and letting it go. I know

1083
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: she was fighting somebody size wise who was more on

1084
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: her level. I thought Tisha looked phenomenal. She did.

1085
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: She looked great, and not to mention, I thought she

1086
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: actually lost the first round. So the fact that she

1087
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 3: was able to get it together readjust against a tough

1088
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 3: van Buren, I thought was tremendous. Tisha really does have

1089
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 3: a lot of potential the way she moves, the way

1090
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: she mixes things up, and even still, I think there's

1091
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 3: even more potential. I think she could have even done

1092
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 3: an even better job overall. And Tisha can definitely get

1093
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 3: back to the top, I think as far as you

1094
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 3: know how she mixes things in and the different type

1095
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: of adjustment she can make in each modality. But I

1096
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 3: thought Titsha looked great. It was good to see her

1097
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: get her get the win because van Buren's tough man.

1098
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: She really needed this win. She really did.

1099
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Raquel Pennington's a friend of mine and I

1100
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 2: got to spend some time with her in the casino

1101
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: after the Holly Home loss, and she was so upset,

1102
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: so really happy for her who she's so hard on herself,

1103
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: so to be able to turn in that type of

1104
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 2: performance against Mari and Renault and don't look now, but

1105
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: Lauren Murphy has all of a sudden won three in

1106
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: a row at one hundred and twenty five pounds, and

1107
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 2: she's just a really good person and I'm very happy

1108
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 2: for her. And she's also strong and really fucking well

1109
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: rounded at one hundred and twenty five pounds. I know

1110
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: we put Valentina chip Chankle out of pedestal, and rightfully so,

1111
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 2: but I think Lauren Murphy, it stands to reason, could

1112
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: be more competitive than some previous flyweight title challengers have been.

1113
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,680
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Speaker 2: Don't forget the second s. All right, it was a

1121
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 2: big weekend for our handicappers, Ken Flow and Ian Parker.

1122
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 2: Let's get to the main Event Challenge. It's the main

1123
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: event challenge and the time is most definitely.

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Speaker 1: How do you everything possible to win the main event

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00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: Challenge to John Hennick and Kenny Florian podcast.

1126
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: All right, with that, we now welcome in the duck

1127
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,959
Speaker 2: on social media at Ian Parker. Mm A good week

1128
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: for both of you guys, So Team Florian courtesy of

1129
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 2: a big hit on Jim Miller wins the week eight seven.

1130
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 2: You both had Josh Emmon as an underdog, but Ian

1131
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: had him by decision. So as a result, that becomes

1132
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: a four point hit for Ian and save team Mannic

1133
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: a little bit. So the lead is now sixty seven

1134
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: sixty two. We spin it forward to UFC fight at

1135
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 2: Pourier versus Hooker. I can't wait for this main event.

1136
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 2: We got four picks overall. We will start in the

1137
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: heavyweight division. Ian, I know you go way back with

1138
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: John Valante. He moves up here. He is a plus

1139
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: one eighty five underdog against the minus two twenty five favorite,

1140
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: the croche Boss Mary Screen. So Green's dropped two straight

1141
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: after starting three to ohero in the UFC. Ian, what

1142
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 2: do you think about Valone moving on up here against

1143
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: Mo Green?

1144
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 6: If John can get When John was coming up in

1145
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 6: the Ring of Honor, he was known more for setting

1146
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 6: up these high kicks into his wrestling, and his slams

1147
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 6: were devastating.

1148
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 5: His athleticism was.

1149
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 6: Really what separated. He was a duel champ, you know,

1150
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 6: in both Two of five and at heavyweight in the

1151
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 6: Ring of sorry, the Ring of Combat. And you know,

1152
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 6: obviously over the years he's kind of become a little

1153
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 6: bit of a brawler.

1154
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 5: You know.

1155
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 6: I think in a situation like this, that's not a

1156
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 6: good idea when you're going against these heavyweights, and I

1157
00:51:58,719 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 6: don't know if he'll be able.

1158
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 2: To utiliz is wrestling that ball against a guy in Mogreen.

1159
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 6: So as much as I hate to do this, I

1160
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 6: the Crochet Boss outside of that nickname, I think he's

1161
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 6: due for one. I think this is a good matchup

1162
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 6: to get him back on track. So as much as

1163
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 6: it breaks my heart, I'm going with Mo Green here.

1164
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: All right. Ian Parker likes the favorite the Crochet Boss

1165
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: Mary screen Ken flow smiling about something.

1166
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you know, uh, a little bit of a brawler.

1167
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 3: I mean he's yeah, it's all he does now, Jon

1168
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of a bit, Yeah, a

1169
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: lot of bit of a brawler. Uh you know, yeah,

1170
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 3: I know it's it's crazy, and but here's the thing,

1171
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 3: you know, it's also what makes him dangerous in this

1172
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: fight against Maury's screen. You know, he's throwing the dice.

1173
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 3: It's not the guy that you really want to gamble

1174
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 3: on too much. But I think it does give him

1175
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 3: a shot against Maury's screen. I do think he could

1176
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 3: get the knockout win. I think he might be the

1177
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 3: faster guy out there.

1178
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: But uh, I don't know.

1179
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do agree with Ian though, in that I

1180
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 3: would like to see him mix things up with his takedowns.

1181
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 3: Hit a couple of takedowns, put some guys on the backs,

1182
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 3: you know, give yourself a rest, give your chinna risk

1183
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 3: arrest once every once in a while. This is a

1184
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 3: close one. I I'm not sure. I wasn't really sure

1185
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 3: who I was gonna pick heading into this. Right now,

1186
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 3: I am leaning towards Maury's Green, but I do reserve

1187
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 3: the right to change my pick yet again later in

1188
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 3: the week.

1189
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 2: Right and to that end, I should point out that

1190
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: Ian Parker changed his pick from Marian Renault to Raquel Pennington,

1191
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: and Ken Flow changed his pick from Linman good to

1192
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: Bala Mohammad during fight week based upon things they saw

1193
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: or heard. So I just want to point that out. Absolutely,

1194
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: you guys can still do that John Blante too. I

1195
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: just want to point out one of the best football

1196
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 2: players to ever grace the Octagon. I mean, five star

1197
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: recruit at Hofstra, could have played in the NFL potentially

1198
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: if maybe it went a little bit better with that

1199
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: initial tryout. He'll be thirty five in August for fifteen

1200
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: times at two hundred and five pounds in the UFC

1201
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: and went seven and eight. So we'll see if he

1202
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 2: can level that UFC record at five hundred and upset

1203
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 2: Maury Screen all right, next up at middleweight. I'm curious

1204
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: to hear what you guys have to say about this

1205
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: one because it was supposed to be the quick turn

1206
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,959
Speaker 2: for Ianhinish against Rufe of Sports Brendan all In Allen.

1207
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: Instead it's going to be the undefeated UFC newcomer Kyle

1208
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 2: Daccas out of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Dacas plus two twenty alan

1209
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: fourteen and three overall. He's two and zero in the UFC,

1210
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 2: though with a couple of finishes in What do you

1211
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 2: think about Brendan Allen minus two to sixty this weekend

1212
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: against the undefeated newcomer Daccas.

1213
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 5: Ballah is not on the line, correct.

1214
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: Bala Mohammad is not on the line. No, I know

1215
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: him and Brett.

1216
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 6: I was making a joke.

1217
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 2: Listen.

1218
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 6: I think Brendan Allen is the real deal. I think

1219
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 6: he's a legit prospect. You know a lot of people

1220
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 6: had Kevin Holland in that fight.

1221
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: I didn't.

1222
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 5: I chose Allen there.

1223
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 6: I think the way he puts it all together, he's

1224
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 6: a he's big, he seems pretty big for this weight,

1225
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 6: and he's he's He's one of these guys that just

1226
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 6: again doesn't try to get away from what got him here.

1227
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 6: You know, he knows to get the fight to the ground.

1228
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 6: He knows the submissions that work for him. He sets

1229
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 6: them up even oh, you know what's coming. Somehow it

1230
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 6: film makes it work. I think for a kid and Kyle,

1231
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 6: a short notice fight, I think this is a tough

1232
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 6: one for him, and we're kind of seeing with prospects

1233
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 6: taking short notice fights. Either you got to knock him

1234
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 6: out like James did, or you might be in for

1235
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 6: a root awakening on this level.

1236
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 5: I like Brendan Allen here.

1237
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: All Right, another favorite chock selection for Ian Parker, So

1238
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: Doccas Kenny. I don't know if he's a Brazilian jiu

1239
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: jitsu wizard, right, but he's nine to no. He's got

1240
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: five DARS choke wins as a pro, including his last two.

1241
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: But he's taken on a credential Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt.

1242
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 2: Here in Brendan Allen, your thoughts on Doccas and Allen

1243
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: here in a featured bout at one hundred and eighty

1244
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: five pounds.

1245
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's a different level, you know,

1246
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 3: for sure. I think Doccas could potentially get it done.

1247
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 2: But I think Allen is.

1248
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 3: A guy who really goes out there, utilizes the right tactics.

1249
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 3: He's smart, he doesn't, you know, get out of what

1250
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 3: he does well, like he ha said, And I.

1251
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: Think Gallen should get the win. Yeah, I'm excited to

1252
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: see Dacas fight live for the first time. But Brendan

1253
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: Allen really really good, and you guys hit on a

1254
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 2: lot of points when it comes to uh BA, all right,

1255
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: comine event, we'll need the round, we'll need the method

1256
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: of victory. Here, you got platinum. Mike Perry minus two

1257
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: to eighty Mickeygall plus two forty. So I'm gonna know

1258
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: a lot more about what Mike Perry's new look training

1259
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: looks like when I sit down with him on Thursday.

1260
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: So we don't know a lot about Mike Perry's preparation. Uh,

1261
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: he's six and six in the UFC Mickey Gall is

1262
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: the plus two forty underdog here. He hasn't fought the

1263
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: killers are anywhere close to the strength of schedule that

1264
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 2: Mike Perry has fought. But he's carved out a little

1265
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: nice career, has Gall. He's twenty eight years oldie and

1266
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 2: he's five and two in the UFC CO Maine event.

1267
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: Mike Perry, Mickeygall in which way you're going.

1268
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 6: I just want to let the listeners know that even

1269
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 6: if you listen to this, you got to watch this

1270
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 6: video because behind John is a picture of him and Kenny.

1271
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,959
Speaker 5: Fucking me, mugging me. Well, I'm d it's such a dude,

1272
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 5: solid green screen.

1273
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,479
Speaker 2: Well, well, I'll tell you so. Normally I don't blur

1274
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 2: the background. But I'm in this hotel in Vegas, this

1275
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: fucking residence in that I'm gonna be at for like

1276
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: thirteen nights and it just looks like fucking gobbage behind me.

1277
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 2: So I figured I put up the picture of me

1278
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 2: and Kemp Fell looking about as tough as we've ever looked.

1279
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 2: You know, it's so.

1280
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 6: Good, I feel like I give the wrong answer from

1281
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 6: Kenny Jo picture of himself is gonna punch me right after.

1282
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 5: That's awesome. So honestly, this fight really confuses me.

1283
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 6: It's striker versus grappler here one, but Mike Perry.

1284
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: Throws me off. You know.

1285
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 6: There's a lot of fights where he goes in there

1286
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 6: and he does surprisingly well. But then like this whole

1287
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 6: trending regiment, you know, he's obviously with some new girl

1288
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 6: and his instagram is all about this girl and providing

1289
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 6: a life for this girl.

1290
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: And he's, oh, I've.

1291
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 6: Seen him do his hit one heavy bag, and I've

1292
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 6: seen a video that scratch on his head bloody knuckles,

1293
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 6: and then I heard that's a video from a little

1294
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 6: while ago. And I don't know if he's fighting windows,

1295
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 6: breaking glass. The dude's a fucking nut job, but he's hilarious.

1296
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,479
Speaker 6: I'm gonna roll the dice here though. On Mickey Gall,

1297
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 6: I think Mickey Gall is a smart fighter.

1298
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 5: I don't think he's gonna want to brawl.

1299
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: But Mike Perry, I think.

1300
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 6: He knows that, and he comes from a really good

1301
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 6: training camp, and we know for a fact that he's

1302
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 6: actually in a training camp with human beings.

1303
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: Compared to Mike Perry.

1304
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 6: We don't know what plan he's even on right now.

1305
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 6: I think if Vicky gall could just bum rush him,

1306
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 6: get him against the cage and take him down, game over.

1307
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 6: You know, Perry's not as bad at grappling. If you

1308
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 6: watched him against Ali Quinta. He did a pretty good

1309
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 6: job in that submission match. But I'm gonna roll a

1310
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 6: dice here plus two forty. Yeah, when you got a

1311
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 6: grappler at Mickey gall just seems too good for me.

1312
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 6: So I'm gonna go Mickey Gall by submission, Round two?

1313
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: All right, round two submission for Mickey Gall is the picks.

1314
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 5: Right, Kenny, That's right, Kenny, Kenny.

1315
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 2: Mike Perry's last two fights Jeff Neil, Vicente Luk. He

1316
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 2: fought Luk super tough. A lot of people felt like

1317
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: he won that fight, then got stopped by Jeff Neil

1318
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: last December at UFC two forty five. Last win for Platinum.

1319
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 2: Mike Perry April twenty nineteen against Alex cowboy O Levera.

1320
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: Gall is starting to evolve. There's no doubt the fight

1321
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: IQ has improved. Kenny, what do you think about Mickey

1322
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 2: Gall here against Platinum Mike Perry.

1323
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 3: You know, I just think that Mike Perry has faced

1324
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 3: tougher competition than Mickey Gall. I don't think Mickey gall

1325
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 3: is that good of a grapper, to be honest, I

1326
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,439
Speaker 3: don't think he has the kind of wrestling that can

1327
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 3: take someone like Mike Perry down repeatedly. If he's gonna

1328
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 3: get it done, I think I give him a shot

1329
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 3: maybe in the first round where he's got a bunch

1330
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 3: of energy and he can mix it, mix it up.

1331
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: He should be the taller, rangier fighter out there.

1332
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 3: But I think Mike Perry is gonna find a way

1333
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 3: to get on the inside and lance some big shots.

1334
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 3: I think, uh Perry probably catches him in and a

1335
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 3: round maybe the second round he gets a tk oh win,

1336
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 3: all right.

1337
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: TKO for Mike Perry. In round two the picks a

1338
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: click for Ken Flow. So we shall see how that

1339
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 2: comin event plays out, and if he stays with Mickey

1340
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: Gall or changes his fucking selection late in the week.

1341
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 2: All right, main event, two top lightweight contenders here boys,

1342
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 2: Dustin Pourier, the minus two twenty favorite Dan Hooker comes

1343
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: back at plus one eighty. Will need the round, the method,

1344
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 2: and we're gonna have Ken Flow lead the main event here.

1345
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna set it up a little bit so

1346
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: so since twenty seventeen guys, Dan Hooker has won seven

1347
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 2: of eight. He knocked out Gilbert Burns viciously in July

1348
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: of twenty eighteen. Burns has reeled off six straight since

1349
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: in his fighting for the welterweight title. Now, it didn't

1350
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 2: go so well for Hooker when he called out Edson Barboza,

1351
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: but since that loss, he's picked up where he left off.

1352
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,439
Speaker 2: He's won three straight again, that included a main event

1353
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: against Felder back in February. I think the line is

1354
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 2: wider than it should be. When I look at Dan

1355
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: Hooker at plus one eighty, long go picked Hooker to win, Kenny.

1356
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on Hooker in this spot against

1357
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 2: the obviously credentialed seventeen time UFC winner Dustin Pourier.

1358
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 3: Not a clue. I have no clue what's gonna happen? No,

1359
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 3: I you know, this is a tough one man. Dustin

1360
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 3: Poorrier has a ton of experience, especially in that main

1361
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 3: event spot. So you know, for Dan Hooker, I like

1362
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 3: the fact that he's gonna be the taller ranger fighter.

1363
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 3: I think he learned a ton against his last fight

1364
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 3: against Paul Felder, and I think that's gonna serve him

1365
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 3: well in this one against Poier, who I think is

1366
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 3: a guy who has been in a lot of tough

1367
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 3: fights himself. I think that tends to start to wear

1368
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 3: on you right about this time. Poier, of course no

1369
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 3: shame in coming off a loss against someone like the

1370
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 3: Habib Normaga metof but Dustin is as tough as hell.

1371
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 2: I think he's the better grappler.

1372
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 3: I would like to see Dustin Poorier try to take

1373
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 3: Dan Hooker down. I don't think it's gonna be that

1374
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 3: easy of a thing against Dan Hooker, who I think

1375
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 3: will be moving latterly a lot. In This fighter at

1376
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 3: least should be looking to stick and move and circle

1377
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 3: a lot, utilize his leg game, utilize that long range,

1378
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 3: and Dustin also needs to be careful shooting in with

1379
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 3: those knees. I think Dustin's best best path to victory

1380
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 3: is mixing thing mixing things up. I can't talk today, uh,

1381
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 3: and looking for a takedown up against the cage and

1382
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 3: getting on top and trying to slow Hooker down. I

1383
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 3: don't think that's gonna happen. I see Dan Hooker getting

1384
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 3: the win here. I'm gonna go with a third round TKO,

1385
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 3: Dan Hooker.

1386
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 2: Third round TKO for the underdog Dan Hooker. Ken Flow

1387
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 2: has been outstanding with underdog selections here in twenty twenty

1388
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 2: all right, I in former interim champion Dustin Poorier, his

1389
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: stoppage of Justin Gatchee, one of several signature wins. Now,

1390
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 2: there were people even in his camp that thought he

1391
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 2: was biting off more than he could chew after the

1392
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 2: war with Max Holloway in April of twenty nineteen, and

1393
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 2: then the quick turn to fight Kabib in September. So

1394
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 2: I don't believe the circumstances were ideal for Dustin going

1395
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 2: into that unification bout. I think Ken Flow hits on

1396
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 2: a lot of truths when it comes to the miles

1397
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,919
Speaker 2: on the tank of Dustin Poorier. But I think there's

1398
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: a lot of value in the fact that he hasn't

1399
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: fought since last September and he has now had nine

1400
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 2: months to recover and rebuild. Give us your thoughts on

1401
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 2: the main event, Ian Parker ultimately with a selection, Please.

1402
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 6: Where's your boy Domina Cruz when you need him on

1403
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,959
Speaker 6: my side? About the whole miles and all that nonsense. Listen,

1404
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 6: if you go back and look at those fights though,

1405
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 6: and fight against Max Holloway, Dustin led the dance. He

1406
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 6: didn't really take a ton of damage in that fight,

1407
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 6: and justin Gatgee fight, it was the leg kicks, you know,

1408
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 6: but again he really was winning that whole fight. Yeah, listen,

1409
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 6: when you get to this point in the division, this strong,

1410
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 6: you're gonna fight nothing but killers. And outside of the

1411
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 6: Kobie fight, which again he didn't take a ton of damage,

1412
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 6: he got choked.

1413
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 5: Out, got taken down.

1414
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I think this break does a

1415
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 6: lot for Dustin. But if you go back and look

1416
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 6: at Dan Hooker also, I personally scored the fight for

1417
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 6: Paul Felder, you know, and that's not a knock on Hooker.

1418
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 6: Paul just I thought won that fight. I think that

1419
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 6: Dustin's the better boxer, you know. Also fighting as a

1420
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 6: south Paul Hooker has had a little bit of issues

1421
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 6: in that department. I think to Kenny's point, though, if

1422
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 6: Dustin wants a I don't want to say easier path

1423
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 6: that really doesn't exist, but more clear path. He needs

1424
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 6: to use his boxing and get against the cage, and

1425
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 6: if he takes Dan down, at least he'll steal some

1426
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 6: rounds in the beginning. We know five rounds in cardio

1427
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 6: is not a problem for Dustin Fourier either, So you know,

1428
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 6: I don't really see why people are nervous about Dustin.

1429
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,479
Speaker 6: I really don't think this is that close to a fight,

1430
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 6: you know. I don't know what Dan has done to

1431
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 6: show me that he dominates or finishes Dustin Pourier. Who's

1432
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 6: who's knocked out Dustin Pourier since Connor? I don't think anybody, right,

1433
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 6: maybe Michael Johnson before that.

1434
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 5: I'm going Dustin Pourer here. I'm gonna go buy decision.

1435
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 5: You know, I'm going with the vet.

1436
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 6: I think he comes back strong, mentally strong. I've heard

1437
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 6: a lot of guys from Top Team stand that he's

1438
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 6: super focused.

1439
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 5: So I'm going with a diamond here.

1440
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 2: Alright, Ian likes the diamond Dustin Poorier over five rounds.

1441
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 2: If we get a twenty five minute affair. This could

1442
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 2: be a crazy fight. You can find Ian on social

1443
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 2: media at Ian Parker, m M A outstanding job. My

1444
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 2: friend Beard looks great. We'll talk to you next week.

1445
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 2: Thanks Bro.

1446
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 6: I gotta come up with some sort of background like

1447
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 6: that to throw you guys off your gear.

1448
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 2: This is just a one time thing. But when I'm

1449
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 2: back in Bok and this is probably going away but

1450
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 2: for you.

1451
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 5: But I gotta do better than this fucking shade behind me.

1452
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 2: So you do. I'm gonna get a ficus like Kenny

1453
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 2: all right, Man Parker with us every week as part

1454
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: of the main event challenge Ken Flow before I let

1455
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 2: you go cage size. I know we've talked a lot

1456
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: about it, right. I do think it has a profound

1457
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 2: impact on the sport generally speaking. I think I leaned

1458
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,439
Speaker 2: towards the big guy. I've had a lot of conversations

1459
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 2: with fans, and I do think there's more room to

1460
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 2: let your skills and talent take over. And I want

1461
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 2: the thought from you on steep A and DC because

1462
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: it was announced that this trilogy is going to be

1463
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 2: completed in the twenty five footer, and I think the

1464
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: initial thought is ooh, maybe that's an advantage for Daniel Cormier,

1465
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 2: but in my conversation with Domina Cruz, I'm not so

1466
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: sure because I think for steep A, like DC needs

1467
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 2: some room to operate with the wrestling. I feel like

1468
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: step A can get to that wall pretty quickly and

1469
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 2: use it to get up. I mean, do you see

1470
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 2: in that Heavyweight Championship fight the small octagon being a

1471
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: definite advantage for either steep A or DC.

1472
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 3: It's an advantage for me. I think it's an advantage

1473
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 3: for the grappler. Oh always has been, so I'd be

1474
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 3: curious to hear Domina Cruz's opinion on that. But I

1475
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 3: think again, it all depends if DC wants to play

1476
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 3: the wrestler, if he wants to go out there and

1477
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 3: try to strike with Stepee like he did in that

1478
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 3: second fight, which I think was really the beginning of

1479
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 3: the end for him.

1480
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 2: I didn't think that was a good choice.

1481
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 3: But you know, for me, I think it's a huge

1482
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 3: advantage for someone like Daniel Cormier.

1483
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 2: Steve A doesn't have the room to move in there.

1484
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 3: Who's the better wrestler between those two, Daniel Cormier, you know,

1485
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 3: so Stepe not being able to get away, and yes,

1486
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 3: he got the cake to get back to your feet

1487
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 3: and all that stuff, But if d C is doing

1488
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 3: his job as a wrestler, Stepe shouldn't be able to

1489
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 3: get up. In fact, the fence could be used in

1490
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 3: a very positive way. Now I don't see a lot

1491
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 3: of people utilizing it in that way. Yeah, but you

1492
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 3: tell Habib that that's a disadvantage for people. It's it's

1493
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 3: a disadvantage for people who don't know how to utilize

1494
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 3: it if you get the top position. So again, I

1495
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 3: think this greatly favors Daniel Cormier. I wouldn't be surprised

1496
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 3: if DC, being the set and smart guy that he is,

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01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 3: really kind of argued.

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Speaker 2: For the twenty five foot cage the smaller cage. I

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Speaker 2: think it's a huge advantage, definitely, And that's interesting to

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Speaker 2: hear you so convicted on that side. I do believe

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Speaker 2: Stepe has actually come out and requested the thirty footer,

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Speaker 2: which certainly details with your analysis. I guess I'm sort

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Speaker 2: of thinking that, you know, if he can get his

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Speaker 2: ass to the wall at DC wouldn't have as much

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Speaker 2: room to operate. But I will tell you DC's approach

1506
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Speaker 2: in that second fight was largely a byproduct of the

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Speaker 2: fact that he really couldn't do any sort of wrestling

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Speaker 2: up until two weeks before the fight. So I do

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Speaker 2: believe if he's able to stay healthy, and that's the

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Speaker 2: thing with both of these guys, but for Cormea in particular,

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Speaker 2: to be able to stay healthy through the training camp,

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Speaker 2: and if he is able to stay healthy through the

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Speaker 2: training camp and wrestle, in theory, his approach would be different.

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Speaker 2: So MARAKIBJJ dot com, you're back open, but it's not

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Speaker 2: I think people are signing up at times. Is that

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Speaker 2: how you're.

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Speaker 3: Working exactly, You have your allotted times where you come in,

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Speaker 3: you sign up for the time that you want to

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that, and it's been great to have

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Speaker 3: the guys back in the gym. I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: during these times when you're cooped up and you want

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Speaker 2: So Anti Florianpodcast dot Com and we might be dark

1536
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Speaker 2: next week. I have some travel obligations and it's going

1537
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Speaker 2: to be difficult to try to figure out a window

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Speaker 2: to get everybody on board. So there's a chance, a

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Speaker 2: slight chance, the show is dark next week. And if

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Speaker 2: that is the case, then we'll be back with you

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Speaker 2: in two weeks and we will preview UFC two fifty

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Speaker 2: one and the Championship tripleheader coming up on Fight Island.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to our guest Ray Longo and Ian Parker.

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Speaker 2: Our producer is TJ. DeSantis. Cody Merrow put it all

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Speaker 2: together on the video side. With that for Kentflow, I'm

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Speaker 2: John and today's episode in memory of the late great

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Speaker 2: Kirk Florian. Until next week, everybody out there, be well

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Speaker 2: enjoyed the fights. Don't text and drive you'll later