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Speaker 1: When you first got to the league and had an

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Speaker 3: Really the one where I really felt it was that

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Speaker 3: Big Baby and Leon Poe. I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 3: Practices was cool. I was dunking all over channing as

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Speaker 3: like it was nothing. Motherfucker. That first game came and

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Speaker 3: I was head was on a spin. Motherfuckers all up

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Speaker 3: I was like shit, man, I was fighting for four points.

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Speaker 2: You sleep on Poe boy. That boy was a month's old,

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Speaker 2: strong as hell. Yo.

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Speaker 4: Y'all, y'all, we live on location being the blackest one

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Speaker 4: out here in the Yay area for NBA all start

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty five today. Man, we got an Indianapolis legend,

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Speaker 4: number one overall. Pick mister grig Old in the building. Man,

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Speaker 4: we appreciate you pull them up on this big fellas.

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Speaker 2: Sir. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Born in Buffalo, but you moved to Indiana, Sir, Lawrence

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Speaker 1: North High School, Indiana. You and Mike Connley played together,

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Speaker 1: Sir y'all won three state titles. Tell me when did

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I really never looked at it like that, man,

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Speaker 3: because it was just us. We was always playing up.

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Speaker 3: always playing up. We never could really say we was

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Speaker 3: it because, for one, we had Eric gold And on

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Speaker 3: year older than us. Yeah, so it was always it's like,

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Speaker 3: eg gonna take the last shot, and you think he

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Speaker 3: Josh about to go to duke this motherfucker one of

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Speaker 3: the first point forwards, like y'all homeboy low, like he

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Speaker 3: was like that smooth, you know. So it was never

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Speaker 3: the superstar in high school.

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Speaker 1: Know my god, I'm glad you said that because I'll

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Speaker 1: be saying the same thing now when I see kids

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Speaker 1: they suposed to play up like I always played up

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Speaker 1: these kids these days during high school they play against

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Speaker 1: seniors in junior years for real, but then AAU they

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Speaker 3: Well, let's not forget also then they get to their

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Speaker 3: senior year and decide to reclassify against I mean, do

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Speaker 3: y'all come up like when we came up and when

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Speaker 3: You weren't playing the grown man's league. This is in

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Speaker 3: the sixth grade. You know, we was always playing to

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Speaker 3: just making sure we was always prepared how to handle that.

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Speaker 3: Like I was playing in the program before I even

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Speaker 2: But you see these kids, I feel like it slows

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Speaker 3: Down though I mean it is too, but they're also

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Speaker 3: only doing like individual workouts a lot. You know, that's

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Speaker 3: How was your first experience? Did you go to Nike?

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Speaker 3: But when you do good, the best players getting invited

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Speaker 3: I think that was freshman year and me, Mike and

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Speaker 3: dunking the fun out that bad. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: Y'all want them in a row, right, So when you

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Speaker 1: What was that for you to start getting success all

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Speaker 1: you the one you the best?

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Speaker 2: I mean, but it was old school me at that time.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like I was rushing home to get on

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Speaker 3: You know, you used to be so happy when you

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Speaker 3: You know I had actual real friends, you know that

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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just hooping. You know, I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: Should you won mister basketball, your junior and your senior.

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Speaker 3: No, because Josh McRoberts should have won junior year, so

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Speaker 3: he got robbed. Actually, even though Luke Zeller he did

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Speaker 2: Win state championship.

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Speaker 3: I will give him that he played at Notre Dame

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Speaker 3: It's always him man, everybody loves and one of the

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Speaker 2: So always want to give him his flowers.

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Speaker 1: Man, playing with him, it made me give a whole

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Speaker 1: another respect for him, like everything that he kind of

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, but talking about Mike, Man,

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Speaker 1: tell me how proud of Mike you are to see

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Speaker 2: So I know him since the sixth grade.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this about Mike, just always getting along

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Speaker 2: High school years.

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Speaker 3: To see him now with his family, like, look, I'm

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Speaker 3: proud of how dope was it for you to get

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Speaker 2: Man? It was awesome. Man.

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Speaker 3: I mean also had day kwon with us too. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: how it is going to all those different camps. You

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Speaker 1: Know, could it almost been anybody else? They got you

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Speaker 3: If Chris Paul was going to stay at wake Forest,

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Speaker 2: So it was Eshton Stone wherever Mike was going.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't Stone, but we had a good visit down

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Speaker 3: I think wake Forest was definitely a very very close second.

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Speaker 1: You missed a lot of time but half of the

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Speaker 3: That wasn't that hard, man, Look, my game was easy.

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Speaker 2: You give me an anger, I'm get on that rim,

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Speaker 3: shoot my floater. That's actually when I did start developing

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Speaker 2: Shot was it.

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Speaker 3: I used to throw that bach and start running down

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I do appreciate that development of that time,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, because I ain't want that pressure too. I

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Speaker 3: It's like David Goliath and I'm Goliath. This brother must

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Speaker 3: that do the Gator chump. That shit hurts my soul

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Speaker 3: So the championship game Monday, going to class on Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: Actually no, because I wanted to stay. We was that close. Look,

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Speaker 3: You know. So I wanted to win. But I definitely

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Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us about the draft and you and your

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Speaker 1: the whole process of you and your family, how it

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Speaker 1: and you always say, you know, when you get drafted,

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Speaker 1: So tell us about your draft. It was a real win.

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Speaker 3: I mean, y'all know at the time, all that media training,

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Speaker 3: it was like a hirle when, like I really wish

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Speaker 3: much stuff that I actually forgot about him together. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: It was the photo shoot, but I remember that because

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Speaker 3: And all my family came from Buffalo, and I remember

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Speaker 3: My uncle, he had just got out. He went to

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Speaker 3: apologize to my brother to this day.

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Speaker 2: Well, I happened. I'm telling him right now, I apologize.

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Speaker 3: Remember when you're sitting at the table, Chris So used

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Speaker 3: I'm so damn man. They be taking time, did you?

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Speaker 2: Oh man? You got my hugs?

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Speaker 3: Look, I was trying to do exactly what they said.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I hugged my mom, my dad, and my Grandma's right there.

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Speaker 1: They gonna get k get you who's gonna be number one?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I knew I was going to

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Speaker 3: And I actually did good that time was cold. What

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Speaker 2: It was. It was amazing. Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: So you know, like I said, I had a you know,

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Speaker 1: And do you remember when we played one on one

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that I have no recollection?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you ain't gonna admit it.

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 3: First off, I'm gonna met this. Yes, you did dunk

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Speaker 3: Do you remember my first workout and you was sitting

436
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 3: there watching and I remember your ass screaming because I

437
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 3: was dunking the ball, and I remember you was on you.

438
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 2: Was like, oh, ship, where's my phone at he's a

439
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 2: shiitter basketball on that I was happy. I was bro

440
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: I was happy they drafted you.

441
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 1: And then when I got a chance to know you,

442
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 1: know your personality and really seeing you, how.

443
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 2: Good you was. Like I said, that's why I always

444
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 2: rave about you, because.

445
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: You you had an old school style of play, like

446
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: you just said, like your job was easy. You block shots,

447
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: you rebound, and you ship that momuck every time.

448
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 2: You get it. You know what I'm saying.

449
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: So I just thought we were just gonna have a

450
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 1: dope team and we could have all just been healthy

451
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: together with La Marcus wo Be, roy z Bo, everybody,

452
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: we was all healthy at first.

453
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 2: You're it'll been it'll been crazy.

454
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 4: How was it when you like what happened when you

455
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 4: first hurt your need to have to get surgery?

456
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: So I grew up with a leg LMP differential, so

457
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 3: I used to walk with a limb like in high school.

458
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: And then that's before I could afford orthotics.

459
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 2: You know.

460
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 3: The school, you know, kind of gave me some in

461
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 3: high school, and then I got some in college, but

462
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 3: it was always never that exact saying. When I got

463
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 3: to the league, my orthotics fixed that. So one of

464
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 3: the orthodics like this, and AM was like this, So

465
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: my body was so used to that, Like that was

466
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: just me, like I had that lean. I swear to God.

467
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 3: The first day I got th orthotics, bom all felt weird,

468
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 3: went bowling that night, came back the next day literally

469
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 3: could not pull my pants like over my knee. My

470
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 3: knee just blew up the next day after getting those orthotics.

471
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: I do remember that, and I mean at that time,

472
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't question it. I didn't ask, you know,

473
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: I couldn't really explain it learn that. I think about

474
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 3: that at that end, but like when I look back

475
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 3: at it, that was the one thing that actually changed

476
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: and that really affected my body. And then after that

477
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 3: it was kind of just a ripple effect.

478
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: I had a bunch of knee surgeries and I was

479
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: going through it. Tell us about the mental strain you

480
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 1: have to go through every day because we played all

481
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: our lives, you know, we're so used to playing. The

482
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: games are easy, you know what I'm saying. But now

483
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: having to go in that weight room and stack them days.

484
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You have your surgery and

485
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 2: you go at least.

486
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: Two, maybe even three months before you even feel like

487
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: you your leg is actually getting strong enough to get

488
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: back to it. But tell us the like mental strain

489
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: of it, because you see the d roses, you see

490
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: the guys who go through these knee surgeries, and then

491
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: the casual fan don't know what you go through mentally

492
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: to even get back to get the opportunity to try

493
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: to do it again.

494
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: So for me, I have two stages of it because

495
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: the first one when I first got in the league,

496
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 3: that one was like, I don't know what this surgery is,

497
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 3: but I'm out for the whole year. So I guess

498
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 3: Portland's trying to take a little bit of pressure of

499
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 3: me from rushing back having all those expectations. So but

500
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: I'm hearing that that whole entire first year, So I

501
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 3: really don't know what to think. All I know is

502
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: just do whatever they say to get back, just to

503
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 3: get back. Like my mind that first year was like

504
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 3: I'm getting back. I got to prove these motherfuckers wrong.

505
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 3: So it was like a I'm in here every day.

506
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: Tell me what to do, Bobby Bendna, I'm doing it.

507
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 3: You know, I don't give a fuck with whatever they

508
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 3: tell me to do. I'm doing it, like literally to

509
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 3: the tea. And then you was isolated from the team

510
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: because they going off on road trips. I mean, I

511
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 3: want to go hang out with my boy. They end

512
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 3: up pushing him away from me. Now he got to

513
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 3: come in in the afternoons. I gotta come in the mornings.

514
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 3: We can't work out together, work out to want me around.

515
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 3: So now we super isolated. And then now I'm in

516
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 3: I've never been on the West coast like that before,

517
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 3: especially Pacific West Coast. And I'm nineteen years old, so

518
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 3: I can't go out and really do nothing. I barely

519
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 3: can go out and walk anywhere because I got to

520
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 3: have my crutches, you know.

521
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 2: So that was really a struggle.

522
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: So you know, I kind of did some things, but

523
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 3: just to make sure I had fun. And at one

524
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: point with all the injuries stacking up. It became more

525
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: fun than it became basketball at this point. Like that

526
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: second go around after my technical third year, when I

527
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 3: broke my kneecap and I had to back to back microfractures,

528
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: that was a whole different mindset. Like that was a

529
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 3: struggle because it was just like I wasn't even a

530
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 3: basketball player anymore. I don't remember even touching the basketball

531
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: through that time, just literally rehab and weight room. Like

532
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: I thought I was a professional bodybuilder at that point,

533
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 3: Like literally that's how I lived in that weight room.

534
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 3: Jay Jensen always with me, like literally I was a

535
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 3: professional rehab person. Like I didn't even think I was

536
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 3: part of the team no more so, like when I

537
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: was released from the Trailblazers. At one point it was

538
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 3: just like I'm never with y'all anyways, Like I really

539
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 3: didn't feel like I was a part of the team,

540
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: Like that year I was released. I think that was

541
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: the year b Roy went for his fifty in the playoffs.

542
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: I was in Indianapolis, Like I wasn't even on the

543
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: West Coast. It was like I wasn't part of the team.

544
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: So that was a different feeling, and that struggle was

545
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: I'm a rehab because I know I want to prove

546
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: to somebody that I can get back on this court

547
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: and that I was the number one draft pick. So

548
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: I did it. But again, like I wasn't working on

549
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 3: my game. I was just working on being strong enough

550
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: to be able to run up and down the court.

551
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 3: For what Miami got me with sixteen minutes four at

552
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: the end of the first four, at the beginning of

553
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 3: the second, four, in the third, fourth, beginning of the fourth,

554
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: So sixteen minutes, like that's all I fought for. It

555
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 3: was a sixth man, and then I was on a

556
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: minute restriction, so if I played in the game, I

557
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: couldn't practice. If I practiced, I probably wasn't playing in

558
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: the game because I what to practices in a row.

559
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: I'm all fucked up. So it was like you never

560
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: you never can really jail with your teammates. So you know,

561
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: even playing with some of the best players in the world,

562
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 3: Brown's gonna make it work the way and CBS gonna

563
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: make it work, you know, the Shane Battier's uds. Everybody's

564
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 3: gonna make it work. But for me, it was like

565
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: I never got the feel to like actually become me

566
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: because at that point, I couldn't even push myself to

567
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: be better because I literally was on a minute restriction.

568
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: Like it was no pushing myself. It was like this

569
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: is all your body got. And then I had no

570
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: athleticism anymore, which, as I said, that was my game.

571
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't add to it while I was

572
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 3: sitting out those three years. I was just worried about

573
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 3: getting my knees strong enough to not hurt when I

574
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: sat down, you know. So that was a big struggle.

575
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 3: And then after that it was some dark places, just

576
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: trying to figure out who I am and what I

577
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: thought everybody thought I should be, but what I thought

578
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: people were saying about me.

579
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 4: Talk about that how much, like, cause it's one thing

580
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 4: we all know, a hoopers like you already fighting your

581
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 4: own battery, you know what I'm saying, just because you

582
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 4: want to hoop fuck anything else.

583
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: But then you got.

584
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 4: The loudest noise ever because, like you say, you the

585
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 4: number one pick, and then JD is doing what JD

586
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 4: is doing, which making it no more easier for you.

587
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: So like, talk about how that made it that much

588
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: tougher for you.

589
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: I mean I literally could not do nothing about it

590
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: as He's stacking up these points and shout out to

591
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: KD man, easy money man, sniper brother, you are the man.

592
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: You put in that work, and like for me, I

593
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 3: physically could not, but I'm still hearing that. I'm still

594
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 3: watching TV. I turned to inside the NBA, and you know,

595
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: they just talking about KD and Kenny goes you know, well,

596
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: you know it should have been drafting number one. You

597
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: know the little foot jokes, you know, like for me

598
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: at that time, you know that shit hurt, you know,

599
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: but you know, what can I do? You know, it's

600
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: not like I'm gonna go online and have a tantrum

601
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 3: about it. And you know all I can do was

602
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: quietly rehab again, try to get back, try to get back.

603
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: They kicked my ass on it all the time because

604
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: I always say I was like, nah, Greg supposed to have

605
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: been number one. They was like, you see KD and

606
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: how good KD. And it's like I ain't trying to

607
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: this KD. I respect KD all the way to the fuller,

608
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: but you don't know how good Greg.

609
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: I was bro like left.

610
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: Hand right hand dunking that bit defense Like man, it's

611
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: just it's just crazy man that you know as we

612
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: play because I expected my career to be so.

613
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 2: Much better than what it was.

614
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: Like if I look back on my career, I played

615
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: ten years, I was really probably hurt eight of.

616
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: Them ten years I played.

617
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, where I wouldn't fully all

618
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: the way healthy to have a healthy season, then fighting

619
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: trying to get back. They don't know, like you said,

620
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: for them sixteen minutes, it's like you got two kids

621
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: on your on your legs because it's a full time

622
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: job just to get yourself up to play in the game.

623
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

624
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: They don't know the behind the scenes shit, like you

625
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: gotta get up in the morning, you gotta go to

626
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: the training table.

627
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: After you leave the train table, do your all that

628
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: stuff where it's like nobody wants to do it. Yeah,

629
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: it's like a four times job and it's hard. You know,

630
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: you gotta get out there and get your shots up.

631
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: As you get your shots uff, you gotta make you

632
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: gotta put the heat packs on to make sure you

633
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: don't don't freeze up, because you know, when you get

634
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: stiff with these knees, it's like you a statue.

635
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: You can't even move no more. I know, that's how

636
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: I walk right now.

637
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 3: See me out there in the skating rinking.

638
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: It's just a straight legs you already know. Hey, wait

639
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: a minute, you go skating, bro man.

640
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: Well, I took one of my Nike shoes and I

641
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: sent them to the spot and they put some skates

642
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: on the bottom of it. I take my daughter and

643
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: my wife. Oh, I need to get that. I need

644
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: to get that hook up. You gotta yeah, I got people.

645
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: I gotta find that because I had these one people.

646
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: Sixteen six nine seven foot is talking about skating.

647
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: That's how I like, I grew up in the skating rink.

648
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: So I grew up in the skate rink too, man,

649
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: skate Landloo, But I grew up in Buffalo, New York.

650
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: Man, I mean like I used to be. I used

651
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: to have roller blades. I used to be skating backwards

652
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: like spinning. That was real life at out here this man,

653
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: y'all have some jam food. Sixteen was out here on

654
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: skates out here seven too. But that was crazy. Like

655
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 2: I said, we was working out.

656
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that because this I had to

657
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: tell you how poor used to do your boy, man,

658
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: We used to work out in the morning, before practice

659
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: start and and him. They told me first, they first

660
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: told me he was going on the road. The first

661
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: told me, he was like, nah, you can't go on

662
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: no road trips. I'm like, damn, I can't go on

663
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: road trip. It's like, yeah, you can't go on no

664
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: road trip. So me and him working out. Then they

665
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: told me I can't work out with him no more

666
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: before practice.

667
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: I gotta work out after practice. How crazy is that? Man?

668
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: They used to do wrong. They used to be on

669
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: my ads.

670
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: I'd be like, bro, I get along with everybody. I

671
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: don't got no problem with nobody literally helped me out,

672
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: Like everybody talk about that. Like literally me and him

673
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: used to talk like we working out, but he talking

674
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: he giving me game.

675
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: I'm like sitting there.

676
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: Like they used to isolate the ship out of me

677
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: out Like I ain't feel like I was on the team.

678
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: So I know how he felt when he got to it.

679
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: Now because he got to the point, like he said,

680
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: he was by hisself. It's like I'm walking in an

681
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: empty gym. You ain't seeing no teammates or nothing. The

682
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: trainer and the weight room guy gotta work over time

683
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: because they got to stay and work out with you.

684
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: That's called Bobby Todd, Jase Jensen. Shoot.

685
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: Me and Todd basically lived in Vale, Colorado for like

686
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: three months. I ended up living in LA for summer

687
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: rehabbing out there. They sent me back to Indianapolis for

688
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: a year, and you think about it, was only signed

689
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: with them for five years. That's that's a lot. This

690
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: is our emerys segment.

691
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 4: It's all about what a little round basketball can take you.

692
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

693
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 4: So that was the craziest place that you've been because

694
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 4: of the basketball, Like was your first international trip ever

695
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 4: because of.

696
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: Hoops first international year. It was actually the preseason Vancouver

697
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 3: game we played. I don't forgot who we played, but

698
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: you going over to Canada. That was my first time

699
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: and got to the league. But I played in China,

700
00:34:54,760 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 3: So that was that was that. I'm not I had

701
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: who else? Wilson Wilson when Wilson Chandler, Wilson was like bro, nah,

702
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: he was like, cause who else? I think j Yard

703
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: somebody went to like a cool like more of a

704
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: city place.

705
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: He was like, bro, they had me out. I ain't

706
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 4: know those places like this. He was like, bro. It

707
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 4: was it was wild, Like I was your experience over there.

708
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 2: So it was shining and I probably messed up that name.

709
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: I like this. I remember that first practice.

710
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: I remember I got off the plane, eighteen hour flight,

711
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,959
Speaker 3: straight to the gym. They were like, look, you're gonna

712
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: go through these workouts and then we're gonna play some pickup.

713
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: I'm straight off the fight, you know, I'm hoping and whatever.

714
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 3: I had a couple of jump shots, a couple of hooks,

715
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: a couple of dumps. I'm like, all right, man. The

716
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 3: motherfuckers presented me in my jersey right after. Yeah, like literally,

717
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, thank you. They was like, are

718
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: you sign right now? We got a game in a week.

719
00:35:53,320 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I gotta prepare. But China was

720
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 3: an amazing experience. I never seen anything like it because

721
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: I've never been over there. The one time I was

722
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 3: supposed to go when I played in the league, was

723
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: supposed to go over for y'all's thing or something. Y'all

724
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 3: y'all had a summer camp or something I was supposed

725
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: to go to.

726
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: I didn't make it, but playing over there was eye opener.

727
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 3: I tell people that by the end of the season,

728
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 3: I was smoking a pack of day like for real

729
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: of cigarettes. This is before the game. Bro, You don't understand.

730
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 3: You be in that hotel room and the cigarettes ain't

731
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 3: like ours. Though you hit that bitch twice. That shit gone.

732
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: Tell me about, you know, because you didn't get to

733
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: experience the NBA how you really wanted to experience. But

734
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: you got the opportunity to play on the Miami Heat

735
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: team and ride all the way to the finals, even

736
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: though they lost their finals because they came off of

737
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: winning it the year before. But to be around them

738
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame players, and you know what I'm saying,

739
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: not only them, but the guys that they had coming

740
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: off the bench, and you know, just the whole team,

741
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: the Heat organization, how they run their organization and everything.

742
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: Just tell us that that experience because I know that

743
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: was like a just a dope ash spriend.

744
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

745
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 3: You know, the Heat coachure is defined by you Donna's Housen,

746
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: you know, and we all know that type of person.

747
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: He is one of the best dudes. Do anything for you,

748
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 3: but he gonna fight everybody in this bitch. And you know,

749
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: having some of the best players on the planet and

750
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: seeing them commit to that type of culture, waiting body

751
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: fat ten percent down every Monday, you know, coming in early,

752
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: me and Beasley up in that bitch at seven getting

753
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: our workouts in because we the new guys on the team,

754
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 3: and Besy like, shit, I've been in this motherfucker before,

755
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: you know, and me having to prove myself and just

756
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 3: being in Miami, and I know where I was coming

757
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: from in my heretory in Portland.

758
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: I became the party dude.

759
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 3: I'm in Miami now, I'm like, don't fuck this up,

760
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 3: you know, so made sure that I was doing everything

761
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: I needed. That was the last time my body was

762
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: tempercent body fat. I say that it's It was good though,

763
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 3: because for me, and I say this all the time,

764
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 3: I saw super professionalism.

765
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: I love coach post. I love that coach.

766
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 3: And to see everything that he does, seeing from top

767
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: to bottom. I remember coming in, you know, I got

768
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: to come in early to get my work out in,

769
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 3: but pat Riley already sitting in the practice gym at

770
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 3: seven thirty in the morning and we just had it

771
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 3: back to back.

772
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this is pat Riley practice.

773
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: And before I ever knew what that was, you already know,

774
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 3: like Spodium want to call this practice.

775
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: It was.

776
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: It was a pat riley practice, but seeing like that

777
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 3: level of this is our expectations, and this is how

778
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 3: we're going to do it, and this how we're going

779
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 3: to get there. And honestly, like our books from the playoffs,

780
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 3: I keep to this day. When I was coaching the Butler,

781
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 3: I literally brought those to the gym and put them

782
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: in my office desk and would look over them to

783
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: help me with how the Miami Heat looked at things

784
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: and how we did it back then to help those

785
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 3: guys now. And I'm really appreciative of that experience. And

786
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 3: also being able to meet bird Man and Shane Battier

787
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: and to see their relationship is probably one of the

788
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 3: funniest things and one of the greatest things I've ever

789
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: seen in my life. Those two, I'll be like, y'all

790
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 3: really do hang out with like they are like, but

791
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: they are so cool together. It was like, you know,

792
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: getting to know Shaddy, like being at Beasley's house every day,

793
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: me and this motherfucker talking about something. All Right, we

794
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,479
Speaker 3: don't go out to the club, but we're gonna finish

795
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 3: about Hennessy between us and then we're gonna go to sleep.

796
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,959
Speaker 2: That was our way of not getting in trouble, being

797
00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 2: out the streets. You know, no, sir, everything Rio.

798
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 3: You know, Rio, my guy just handling everything, just taking

799
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 3: it but making sure. You know, he's a two time

800
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: champion three count college. You know, he nobody looked at

801
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: him as that guy, but he was a starting point

802
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 3: guard on for the hetos Man Norris Cole, Roger Mason,

803
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 3: you know, and then the Big Three. You know, it

804
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 3: was I opened to play with all those type of

805
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 3: guys and even the guys that were brought in or

806
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: mid season or even Joel Anthony on that team.

807
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: Man, it was like I was.

808
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: Really appreciative of that experience even though they did get

809
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: me though. So when I was signing, this is how

810
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 3: they used Miami. So Mark Cuban told me, signed two

811
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: year deal, second year player option. I want you to

812
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 3: rehab the first year, get back to used to being

813
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: on the team.

814
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: Miami.

815
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: We can do the same thing. They just won two championships,

816
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: They've been the finals three years in a row. Ship,

817
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 3: I love that. If you can do that same thing, Ship,

818
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 3: you got me. I'm already in Miami. Ship, I'm in

819
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: the hotel the mind, so you know, it's nice I'm

820
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 3: going to spot. I'm going to the spot every day.

821
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 3: Damn shup. I've been in Miami for about a week

822
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: where that contract at uh, you know, it's some hiccups.

823
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 3: Ship give me the guarantee. You I'm already here, Like

824
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: that's how they got me. If I would have thought

825
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: better two years guaranteed, I get the rehab and second

826
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 3: year player option, I probably could have took my body changed.

827
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 3: And you know everything they're doing Dallas to help me

828
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,959
Speaker 3: with the body, I probably you know, I'm just I'm

829
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 3: just for a sighting.

830
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: But the game is like the.

831
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 4: Right because like you said, we all from humble beginners

832
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 4: and things like that. I won't know what what Greg

833
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 4: Olden young, Greg Golden bed when you at that bag

834
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 4: and I ain't talking about obviously you know you took

835
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 4: care of mom pops.

836
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: Don't talking about something that you did.

837
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 4: You look back for yourself like that was probably crazy,

838
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 4: but like this shit was fun.

839
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: So my first charger, you know, I had it like

840
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 3: jail broken. Like when I would put CDs in that bitch,

841
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 3: it would copy the CDs. So I had the whole

842
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 3: memory of that bitch, Like everything said in the car

843
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 3: in the car and my charger.

844
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you hold on.

845
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: Literally when I put CDs in it, it would record

846
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 3: the CDs and so like literally had roller dex of

847
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 3: CDs in my car like that.

848
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 2: I never had to put back in there. Again, that's crazy.

849
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: I ain't never heard of. I never heard it. I

850
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 2: ain't never heard that one. That's great.

851
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: The big one was my van, my Chevy Express refrigerator

852
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 3: on two, three, four, five six TVs bed in the back,

853
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 3: stroke lights on the top, swivel seats in the middle.

854
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: I used to drive to the games. I ain't had

855
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 2: no driver back there in my.

856
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: Ass, rolling up, coming out with bringing everybody to the

857
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 3: game was just sending that motherfucker over There was in

858
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: that bitch too.

859
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: What made you decide to go back and get your degree.

860
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 3: First time was because I did promise my mom. But

861
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: then at that point my daughter was born and there

862
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: was no way I can tell my daughter to get

863
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: an education if I didn't have one, and to go

864
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 3: back and get my master's. Honestly, I was trying to

865
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: get into coaching, so I was taking classes and then

866
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: when I was at Butler that was technically my externship,

867
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 3: and so I didn't take my final classes, and then

868
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: just happened this past summer. I was like, I wonder

869
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: how many credits I got? You got three classes. I'm

870
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: knocking bitches out.

871
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: I got my.

872
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: Masters, shoot, and honestly, it's for the things that I

873
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 3: really want to do. I wanted to go back and

874
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: have some credibility. You know, I'm trying to get in

875
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 3: the space where you know, I can go out to teams.

876
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 3: You know, I struggled with talking to the team therapists

877
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: because I just kind of didn't feel like I trusted

878
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: them that much because I felt like it was a

879
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: direct line to the team and how we were treated

880
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 3: in that organization at that time.

881
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: It felt weird.

882
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 3: So right now, I know things are differently, but I

883
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 3: know sometimes some of these players don't want to talk

884
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: to professional Like I've been through everything you could possibly

885
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: think of. You know, I'm not going to say I'm

886
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 3: a professional therapist, but I am damn near life coach,

887
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 3: and I got the experience to show you. So where

888
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 3: I am trying to move right now is kind of

889
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: work with individual athletes and teams in that space. So

890
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 3: getting my degrees was something that was going to help

891
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 3: me kind of alidify that what made you get into

892
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: coaching being around basketball? You know, when I tried to

893
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: step away when I was going through my dark time,

894
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: that's the most I watched basketball.

895
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like when I.

896
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: Was in my dark times, I couldn't. I didn't even

897
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: look at basketball no more.

898
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: What NBA TV was on all day and night esp

899
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: And that's literally if I'm not watching Food Network, it's

900
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: ESPN or it's NBA TV, Like that's it. Like I

901
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: just when we was at the party last night and

902
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 3: Kenny Smith came up, I was like, and Ernie.

903
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 2: I was like, Ernie, I'm not gonna lie and my.

904
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 3: Wife she fall asleep to you every Thursday, because it's like,

905
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 3: that's what I watched. And it started really when I

906
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: got my dark place when I was released by Portland,

907
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 3: because it was like, while I was playing, I didn't

908
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: want to hear it, and then when I was not playing,

909
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: I still had that. That's that's all I cared about. That,

910
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 3: that's all I knew. And so I think that's kind

911
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: of what made me fall into coaching as well. That's

912
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: that's just that's you know, I've been doing it since

913
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: I was in fourth grade.

914
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 4: How was it for you when you got to go

915
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 4: back to Portland recently and taking a game and you

916
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 4: got to received well from the crowd and things like that.

917
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: How was that experience for you?

918
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 3: It was amazing, honestly, you know, through a lot of

919
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 3: stuff we talked about, I didn't know what to expect,

920
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: but I didn't know that Beth Hancock was there and

921
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 3: she was always somebody that took care and loved all

922
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 3: of us. And I knew that going back there and

923
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: having a chance to take my wife and daughter, it

924
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 3: would be special just to show, you know where where daddy,

925
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: you know, just finally got his little bit of notoriety

926
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 3: at and we had a good time.

927
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: Man.

928
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: You know, I honestly I appreciated the Trailblazer organization for

929
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: just the hospitality Joe cronin the coaching staff. It's just

930
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 3: kind of bringing me in and I guess not making

931
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: it weird, right, And I really hope more things like

932
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: that can happen for the Trailblazers because I think there

933
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 3: is a group the span of Skis that are still here.

934
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: As you know, the guys that were coming around when

935
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: we were there. You're a lot older now, but they're

936
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: they're still around just because you know you want to

937
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: bring me. I think a lot of these organizations do

938
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 3: do that, and I want to see that happen in Portland.

939
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that definitely would be dope. But I don't think

940
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: I'd be on that list. So start bench trade your storing.

941
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: So Patrick Ewing lines O morning, the kenve Matombo. Who

942
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: do you start? Who do you bench? Gotta start? Patrick?

943
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: You bench lines? That's you bench a lines on you

944
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: trade to Kembay. I hate to say it. And you

945
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: know what's a terrible fact.

946
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 3: The Kimbay's last game he got injured against uh against me,

947
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: and he didn't play no more after that. It was

948
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 3: a play he was going up for a red. I

949
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: remember he hurt his knee and he didn't play no more.

950
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 3: And I I always thought about that. It wasn't nothing like,

951
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean nothing. But to me, I'm like, damn,

952
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 3: that's a great I's the Ken base man.

953
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: That was our guy, you know, one the real one

954
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: of our best interviews on here man.

955
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's going man. You played with a lot of teammates.

956
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: You know, you had a lot of teammates a few

957
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: years that you play everybody.

958
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: In their prime.

959
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: If you had to make an ultimate five which you included,

960
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: who is the four other guys you would make that

961
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: ultimate five for more years? It don't matter, all of

962
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: them in their prime. Like every teammate you had from

963
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: Portland to Miami. If you had to put an ultimate

964
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: five together, you the five. Who was the other four guys?

965
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: Point guard?

966
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: So okay we in position with basketball. Now I know

967
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 2: who else with you? Well?

968
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: First off was b Roy, Bron mm hmmm, d Wade,

969
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna say Andre Miller. Man.

970
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: I love Miller.

971
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: Because he is dreda type to look at all the

972
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 3: motherfuckers like, nah, I'm gonna get my big fella to

973
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 3: eat first and then the ball bro. So I always

974
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: respected I respected him, able to talk to Nate like

975
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: that I was. I respected him, able to just control

976
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: the team like that. So I guess that would be

977
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 3: my d Miller.

978
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: Guy who you got, I would say you Bosh, Brian,

979
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: b Roy and d Wade. I mean that's that's that's

980
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: the one. But I tried to go into like a

981
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: position you can play of the two.

982
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 3: B Roy can play the three, Brown can play the four,

983
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: you know, and Dre one. I guess I'm old school

984
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 3: in that sense. But of course it's Chris bo Hey,

985
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 3: that motherfucker. We went back to Portland. I ain't gonna

986
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 3: lie that said, Hey, give me the motherfucking ball. Yes,

987
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 3: because you know him in l A, you know, from Texas.

988
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: Mother get that ship. You know how happy I was.

989
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 3: I was talking like mother. Yeah, appreciate se be honestly, man,

990
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 3: he is. He was one of the coolest superstars, like

991
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 3: on that team that I saw. He was just exactly

992
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 3: and he never complained about it, or at least you

993
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 3: never saw him bringing that up in anything. And I

994
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: really did appreciate and and motherfucking won.

995
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 2: A lot of games. What man, man bro. We appreciate

996
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: you pulling up on.

997
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,200
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998
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,319
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999
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:01,480
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1000
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1001
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