WEBVTT - Cold Blooded

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<v Speaker 1>You know everybody wants to paint this idyllic picture of

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<v Speaker 1>small town America. Well, there's a CD underside to that.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't have anybody watching the watchman, keeping

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<v Speaker 1>an eye on things, keeping people accountable, things can get

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<v Speaker 1>out of control. There's over twenty unsolved homicides in Pike County.

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<v Speaker 1>I want the community to realize this can happen to

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<v Speaker 1>their family. This is the Piked and massacre returned to

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<v Speaker 1>Pike County Season three, episode nine, Cold Blooded. I'm Courtney Armstrong,

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<v Speaker 1>a television producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie Leidecker and

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Shane. Over the last two seasons, we've covered a

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<v Speaker 1>few local stories that we believed were unrelated to the massacre.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out we may have been mistaken. This episode is

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated to tying up the loose ends of these stories

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<v Speaker 1>that have new endings or new developments. We're also exploring

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<v Speaker 1>the intersection between many of the main players who also

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<v Speaker 1>have ties to the Roden murders. The connections are undeniable.

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<v Speaker 1>The Roden murders of April twenty sixteen, earth shattering as

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<v Speaker 1>they were, have pushed law enforcement in southern Ohio to

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<v Speaker 1>the limit. It's left their relatively small ranks hyper extended.

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<v Speaker 1>As a result, As local cold case advocates like Angie

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<v Speaker 1>Montgomery point out, many other local homicides have gone ignored.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, there are at least nine other murder cases

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<v Speaker 1>in Pike County dating back to two thousand that have

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<v Speaker 1>iced over without resolution or even charges issued. In light

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<v Speaker 1>of the county's population of only fifty eight thousand, this

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<v Speaker 1>number is staggering. Tray Evans won the election, and he

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<v Speaker 1>called me in January when he ran into office and

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<v Speaker 1>told me that he was going to try his best

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<v Speaker 1>with the case. Who could do the best he could

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<v Speaker 1>with it. He's got in contact with the BCI and

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<v Speaker 1>they were looking on some things. Speaking as Angie Montgomery,

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<v Speaker 1>a Piked and mother of four and spiritual adviser. Once

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<v Speaker 1>her kids were grown, Angie decided to dedicate her life

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<v Speaker 1>to being a cold case advocate. Here she is talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Sheriff Tracy D. Evans, who took over the Pike

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<v Speaker 1>County Sheriff's office in twenty twenty. This was after Sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Reader, who spearheaded the Road and investigation, pled guilty

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<v Speaker 1>to corruption charges. Reader is currently facing a three year

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<v Speaker 1>sentence at the Toledo Correctional Facility. Here's Stephanie and Jeff.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as a reminder, Sheriff Charlie Reader was the sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>at the time of the road and murders, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>never been directly associated with the murders, but he, alongside

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<v Speaker 1>former DA Mike DeWine, we're very public talking about it

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, and after a very thorough investigation, Reader

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<v Speaker 1>agreed to be suspended in July twenty nineteen, and shortly

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<v Speaker 1>after was indicted on eighteen counts that included also racketeering.

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<v Speaker 1>Beloved Sheriff Charlie Reader was accused of stealing more than

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen thousand dollars from the Sheriff's office and seized drug money.

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<v Speaker 1>What he would do was go into these evidence envelopes

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<v Speaker 1>that were in his possession, take out money, go gamble

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<v Speaker 1>with it, and then put the money back before anyone noticed,

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<v Speaker 1>and allegedly he repeated this process numerous times before anyone

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<v Speaker 1>even caught on. In September twenty twenty, Reader pled guilty

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<v Speaker 1>to two counts of theft, one count of tampering with evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>and then also one count of conflict of interest another

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<v Speaker 1>matter that doesn't necessarily relate to this, but is just

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<v Speaker 1>another strike against Sheriff Reader's morality. Is the story from

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one that he was sued by county officials

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<v Speaker 1>over collecting salary and benefits that they say he improperly

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<v Speaker 1>collected while he was suspended as they were investigating all

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<v Speaker 1>this other stuff that he had done. According to the lawsuit,

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Reader collected over one hundred and twenty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>from the city. It's not clear the exact status of

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<v Speaker 1>this litigation, but it is just another strike against the sheriff.

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<v Speaker 1>Here again, Angie Montgomery, we had a meeting with Tracy

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<v Speaker 1>Evans in June, myself and Curtis smother and Jenny's sisters,

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<v Speaker 1>and he told us that if the BTI decided not

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<v Speaker 1>to assist with the case, that he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>wash his hands with him. It's important to note that

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<v Speaker 1>this is Angie Montgomery's recollection of events. We've reached out

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<v Speaker 1>to Sheriff Tracy Evans for comment but did not receive

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<v Speaker 1>a response. The Curtis and Jenny Angie is referring to

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<v Speaker 1>are her cousin, Curtis Francis and his fiance Jennifer Burgett.

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<v Speaker 1>The pair were found dead in their bed December ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, in their home at one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty four Hopper Road in piked hon Thirty four

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<v Speaker 1>year old Curtis and thirty year old Jennifer were each

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<v Speaker 1>at once while asleep. The killings became known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Hopper Road murders. According to Angie, Curtis and his fiance

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer were excited to get married. They both loved hunting

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<v Speaker 1>and fishing, and Chris was a jovial guy known for

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<v Speaker 1>playing practical jokes. Curtis had just had shoulder replacement surgery

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<v Speaker 1>and had a supply of pain medications, so one early

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<v Speaker 1>theory was that the killers were after his pills. In

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<v Speaker 1>the sixteen years since the murders, the case has been

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<v Speaker 1>opened and closed several times without a single arrest. It's

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<v Speaker 1>currently a cold case. Sheriff Evans, who during his campaign

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<v Speaker 1>promised voters to improve resources for victims, has deflected Angie's

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<v Speaker 1>passionate please to reopen the case. He was done with it. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>there was nothing more they could do that we would

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<v Speaker 1>have to turn to the media if we wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get help with the case, which was kind of heartbreaking

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, he gets elected and tells us that

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to do everything he can, but then he's

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<v Speaker 1>flipping it around and saying, if the BCI does, they helped,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just going to wash my hands with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you kind of contradicting what she told me. Kind

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<v Speaker 1>he gave us like false hope, like this guy's really

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<v Speaker 1>going to dig into it and do something, and turns

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<v Speaker 1>around and says if the BCI doesn't do anything, he's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to do anything. And he also said that

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't want kIPS called into the sheriff's pernament, which

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was very odd. The Ohio Bureau of Criminal

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<v Speaker 1>Investigation or BCI, has offered no new support. Here's investigative

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<v Speaker 1>reporter and journalism professor James Pilcher. Unfortunately, the Francis and

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<v Speaker 1>Burgette case has been ruled a cold case now by

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<v Speaker 1>both of the pact prosecutor in the Aisle Storney General's office.

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<v Speaker 1>That happened about two years ago, so now it's on

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<v Speaker 1>the shelf. There's no answers and unless family members can

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<v Speaker 1>come forward to new evidence or something just pops up

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<v Speaker 1>or somebody walks in off the street and says I

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<v Speaker 1>did it. And that's pretty much what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 1>for anything to move on this case. For Angie. This

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<v Speaker 1>case has been a long and frustrating series of missed

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities and snaffoos. In twenty sixteen, investigators discovered a hidden

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<v Speaker 1>well at three twenty four Wind Road, five minutes from

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<v Speaker 1>Hopper Road. This well contained a saddle gun, a lever

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<v Speaker 1>action eighteen shot that is what Curtis and Jenny were

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<v Speaker 1>killed with. There was also a pistol sunk in the

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<v Speaker 1>swampy well, but according to reports, in the process of

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<v Speaker 1>trying to flood the evidence out of the well, the

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<v Speaker 1>fire department blew an eighty foot hole in the well

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<v Speaker 1>and washed the guns away. And then there was the

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<v Speaker 1>issue of the lost nine one one call. Here again,

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<v Speaker 1>Angie Montgomery, and then they tell me that they lost

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<v Speaker 1>a nine one one call. They're not very efficient with things.

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<v Speaker 1>You would think that that would be one of the

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<v Speaker 1>main things you would keep ahold of in a double homicide.

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<v Speaker 1>So it kind of worries me that they did turn

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<v Speaker 1>everything over that they have to the BCI, to BC

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<v Speaker 1>I might look at it and face there isn't anything

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<v Speaker 1>here we can work with. That's where it falls back

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<v Speaker 1>on all these cases, all these cases that are unsolved,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the same thing. It's repetitive. All stammlies I talk to,

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<v Speaker 1>they go through the same thing you go through, which

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<v Speaker 1>is they lost this or they don't have this. And

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<v Speaker 1>why doesn't a shriff keeps coding to the sheriff's office.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you got twelve documented until thomicides in your county.

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<v Speaker 1>Why aren't you asking the public for help for these cases?

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<v Speaker 1>It's like they're just shoved to the side. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>the cases become cold. Angie is still holding out hope

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<v Speaker 1>that the BCI will reopen the cold case and look

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<v Speaker 1>at it with fresh eyes. It's actually their cold Case unit,

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<v Speaker 1>which is through the Ohio Attorney General's Office, and they

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<v Speaker 1>are amazing. They just solved a forty seven year old homicide.

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<v Speaker 1>They're really good. So if they do take it on

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<v Speaker 1>and assist, I think that will get an arrest because

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<v Speaker 1>they're good at what they do. But I'm also worried

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<v Speaker 1>about what all Pike County has given them. What ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>stands in the way of the Francis case finding resolution?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it incompetence, apathy, like the killer behind this awful crime.

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<v Speaker 1>It remains a mystery. I've got someone in Curtain Junie's

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<v Speaker 1>case that gave a statement back in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>six when it happened, and he was the last person

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<v Speaker 1>to see Kurtisen Jennifer alive, and he went to the

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff's office and gave them a statement that he was there,

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<v Speaker 1>and those people they never called him back, They never

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<v Speaker 1>followed up with him. And I had him go again

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<v Speaker 1>and make another statement with mister Evans, the new sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>and turning in and I asked him every day and

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<v Speaker 1>they have not called him. They have not followed up

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<v Speaker 1>with him. So to me, that makes me think that

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<v Speaker 1>they don't care, period because that's a pretty big guilts

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<v Speaker 1>someone saying they were the last person to see two

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<v Speaker 1>people alive that were murdered, and you're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>call him back and talk to him. It's eerie the

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<v Speaker 1>way things are done around here. We don't know where

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<v Speaker 1>the Francis case will go, But there's yet another Pike

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<v Speaker 1>County case, this one involving a young man named Jacob

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<v Speaker 1>Lansing that has had its own investigative issues in January

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty eighteen, Pike prosecutors thought they had their man.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Detti, thirty one, was all set to face trial

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<v Speaker 1>and in Pike County Common Pleas Court charged with aggravated

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<v Speaker 1>murder for the twenty twelve death of Jacob Lansing. But

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<v Speaker 1>then prosecutors suddenly reversed course. Newly uncovered evidence exonerated Detti,

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<v Speaker 1>and the death penalty case was dismissed. Pike County Prosecutor

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Junk, who's overseeing the road and trials, described this

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<v Speaker 1>case as one of the weirdest he'd ever seen. On

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<v Speaker 1>October twenty seventh, twenty twelve, Jacob Lansing's body was found

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<v Speaker 1>underneath the vehicle at his River Road home. Authorities thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was an unfortunate accident in which the suv the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five year old had been working fell on him,

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<v Speaker 1>but his mother, Maureen was incredulous and took action. The

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<v Speaker 1>fact that Jacob wasn't dressed in his usual coveralls while

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<v Speaker 1>working on his car did not wash here again, Stephanie

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<v Speaker 1>and Jeff. Rob Junk is one of the main prosecutors

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<v Speaker 1>against the Wagners, and as we've come to learn over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, he was involved with both Reader brothers. All

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<v Speaker 1>of these names kind of keep coming back to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a very public social media spat with Sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Reader where Sheriff Reader was threatening to take Rob

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<v Speaker 1>Junk down, or, as he put it, take the quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote Junk out. It turns out it was Rob Junk

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<v Speaker 1>who would end up being an integral part in getting

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<v Speaker 1>both Charlie and Brian Reader removed from their posts. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people have theorized that the main reason that

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Reader was removed from office was because of his

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<v Speaker 1>handling of the lancing case. However, it's been reported on

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<v Speaker 1>that Brian Reader was terminated over attendance records and sick time.

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<v Speaker 1>This is according to Pike County Commissioner Blaine Beakman. As

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<v Speaker 1>for Rob Junk in January of twenty nineteen, he noted

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<v Speaker 1>that his office as an outwill employer, and he can

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<v Speaker 1>quote let somebody go if I don't like the color

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<v Speaker 1>of their socks. Here again, Angie Montgomery, he never worked

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<v Speaker 1>on his hickle engine work, clives. That's what was bug

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<v Speaker 1>and her. There was the pack of cigarettes beside him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he didn't smoke, so she got a private investigator

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<v Speaker 1>did it behind the CoP's back and got her own

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<v Speaker 1>evidence and took all of her evidence into Rob Junk,

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<v Speaker 1>and Rob said, well, we'll look at it. This was

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<v Speaker 1>a rare instance where an insistent family member was able

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<v Speaker 1>to move the dial with the prosecutor's office. Jacob's mom,

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<v Speaker 1>Marine never believed that his death was an accident. Now, finally,

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<v Speaker 1>in late twenty sixteen early twenty seventeen, she got Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Reader to listen up. Ryan was the chief investigator at

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<v Speaker 1>the time with the Pike County Prosecutor's Office. That's Rob Junk,

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<v Speaker 1>who is now part of the prosecution team overseeing the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor of the Wagoners. He opened an investigation and even

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<v Speaker 1>had the body exhumed and an autoxic perform and that

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<v Speaker 1>revealed that he had been beaten and strangled to death.

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<v Speaker 1>This means that Jacob Lansing's killer took his dead body,

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<v Speaker 1>placed it under his suv, and then precipitously dropped the

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle to make it look like Jacob was crushed a

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<v Speaker 1>freak accident, but based on the new evidence, the death

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<v Speaker 1>was ruled a homicide. Bryan spent months and months following

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<v Speaker 1>the leads and doing interviews to find these suspects, Zerian

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<v Speaker 1>and on a man named Paul Michael Allan Detty, who

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<v Speaker 1>arrested in May of twenty seventeen, But in January of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, a week before Debty's trials to begin, Rob johnk,

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<v Speaker 1>who I mentioned before he was a prosecutor, dismissed the

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<v Speaker 1>case without prejudice and Debti was released. He cited new

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that popped up that affected the case, but he

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<v Speaker 1>never told us what that evidence. A year later, in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, Rob Young fired Brian Reader. Investigator. Brian Reader,

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<v Speaker 1>who had been spearheading the probe, was let go from

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecutor's office in twenty nineteen. He is the brother

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<v Speaker 1>of Charlie Reader, the disgraced former Pike County sheriff. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>Reader's payroll records and personnel files were under investigation by

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<v Speaker 1>the state auditor for some time. Due to Reader's firing

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<v Speaker 1>and the general lack of viable leads, the Jacob Lansing

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<v Speaker 1>case stalled. No further arrests were made. In November twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>Jacob's mother, Marian Lansing, issued an eight thousand dollars reward

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<v Speaker 1>for information about her son's murder. It has yet to

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<v Speaker 1>be collected. We're going to take a break. We'll be

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<v Speaker 1>back in a moment. What happened to Megan and Katie Sancaster.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the harrowing story of two young sisters in law,

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<v Speaker 1>one missing and one dead. This happened in a small

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<v Speaker 1>town called Portsmouth, Ohio, one hundred miles east of Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a town of twenty thousand people on the north

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<v Speaker 1>bank of the Ohio River. Here again, James Pilcher. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe Meghan Lancaster got involved with some bad people, like

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<v Speaker 1>the people that have been thought to have killed some

0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.240
<v Speaker 1>women up narrow Chill a coffee and she got involved

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<v Speaker 1>in that ring, or whether or not she just something

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<v Speaker 1>went sideways with one of her clients or whatever. I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Meghan is buried somewhere in those hills of Scioga County.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like Pike County because you get down south

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<v Speaker 1>of Pike County, you start hitting where the glaciers came

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<v Speaker 1>through to create the Ohio River. It's very, very, very hilly,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's all these hollers and valleys and woods and forests,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of places to hide body. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's buried or they dumped her somewhere and

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<v Speaker 1>she's gone. Megan Lancaster, a mother and former high school

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<v Speaker 1>softball player, was twenty five when she disappeared on the

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<v Speaker 1>evening of April third, twenty thirteen, dressed in jeans in

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<v Speaker 1>an Ohio State sweatshirt. She'd spent the evening with friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Megan called her mother at about seven thirty to say

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<v Speaker 1>she'd be home soon. There was no communication from her

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<v Speaker 1>after that. Meghan's white Mustang was located a few days

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<v Speaker 1>later at a Rally's Hamburger in Portsmouth. Her wallet was

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<v Speaker 1>found on the front seat. She left behind her seven

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<v Speaker 1>year old son, whose name was tattooed on her shoulder.

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<v Speaker 1>Portsmouth Police detective Steve Brewer spearheaded the missing person's investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>but no one looked for Megan more intensely than her

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<v Speaker 1>sister in law and best friend, Katie Lancaster. Megan had

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<v Speaker 1>been scraping by as a sex worker and had fallen

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<v Speaker 1>into a life of addiction, so the search led Katie

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<v Speaker 1>into the vast and shadowy underworld of sex trafficking and Portsmouth. Undeterred,

0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Katie threw herself and defining her sister in law victims

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<v Speaker 1>out of a Kid. Angie Montgomery, who helped Katie and

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<v Speaker 1>her search efforts, describe Katie's fearlessness and determination. Their pursuit

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<v Speaker 1>began with scouring back page, which sex workers often used

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<v Speaker 1>to advertise their services. When I first started to hanging

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<v Speaker 1>with Katie, we would sit for hours with our laptops

0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and go through that website back page looking for her.

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<v Speaker 1>Hours like we would get babysitters so we could sit

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<v Speaker 1>and go through. She would send his pictures like Megan Scott.

0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I remember she said a birthmark about her vlly button.

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<v Speaker 1>So we would look through the pictures of these girls.

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<v Speaker 1>Mostly they wouldn't show their faces and we would look

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<v Speaker 1>for that birthmark. Just hours and hours and hours of

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<v Speaker 1>doing that. So in the beginning I kind of did

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<v Speaker 1>because she had a couple of leaves. She sent me

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<v Speaker 1>a video one time of a girl in Columbus on

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<v Speaker 1>Sullivan Avenue. It was a traffic cam that looks a

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<v Speaker 1>lot like Megan Kanye would get in the car. She

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<v Speaker 1>would get in the car and go to strip joints

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<v Speaker 1>and she would talk to pimps. She would talk to

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<v Speaker 1>drug dealers. She was not scared to do that and

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<v Speaker 1>In the beginning, I didn't think she might be out

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<v Speaker 1>there somewhere, but I don't think so. Now I don't

0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:33.800
<v Speaker 1>think she's here anymore. Angie says that Katie's fierceness inspired

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<v Speaker 1>her own efforts to keep fighting to solve Curtis and

0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Jennifer's double homicide on Hopper Road. I started to tell

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<v Speaker 1>her a little bit about Curtis and Jennifer, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>someone that told me to be a squeaky wheel because

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<v Speaker 1>you'll get the most grief. I mean. She would go

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<v Speaker 1>on television and talk and I would watch her and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, thing, she's so brave, and she would sit

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<v Speaker 1>and talk with me and tell me, you gotta do this.

0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.080
<v Speaker 1>You gotta be a voice. Nobody else is going to

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<v Speaker 1>do this. You have to do this. You know. She's

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why I fight so hard. I watched how

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<v Speaker 1>relentful she was, how passionate she was, and she was

0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:12.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of like my hero because there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of bad guys in this area and she was not

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<v Speaker 1>afraid to stand up against the powers that be. Katy

0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.760
<v Speaker 1>was well aware that there could be consequences for ruffling

0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:26.399
<v Speaker 1>too many feathers, with her insistent please for justice. She

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<v Speaker 1>would always say, you know, if something happens to me,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you look into it. I'm sure you find

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<v Speaker 1>out that that's really what happened to me. Because when

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<v Speaker 1>you do go up against the people, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the small enforcements or attorneys or judges, there's always that

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<v Speaker 1>fear of they might retaliate against you. And she knew that.

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<v Speaker 1>But she also always said, you know, I'm on social media,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on TV. I'm saying what I need to say

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<v Speaker 1>about these people to these people. That way, if something

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<v Speaker 1>does happen to me, people will know to look in

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<v Speaker 1>to it, you know, instead of being quiet about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's always stuck with me more she kind of

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<v Speaker 1>pumped me up the louder I got. Katie believed fervently

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<v Speaker 1>that her sister in law got cut up with Michael Moran.

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<v Speaker 1>Moran was a prominent local attorney who was later indicted

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<v Speaker 1>on eighteen sex trafficking related charges. We covered his story

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<v Speaker 1>in season one of this podcast. The indictment accused Moran

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<v Speaker 1>of engaging in sex trafficking from two thousand and three

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty eighteen, with at least six victims being involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's reporter Bob strictly who covered the story for The

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati Enquirer. Michael Moran is an attorney that's been practicing

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<v Speaker 1>for several decades. He's originally from Ironton, Ohio, which is

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<v Speaker 1>just up the river from Portsmouth. He operates of an

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<v Speaker 1>office that is right across the street from the Scarta

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<v Speaker 1>County Courthouse, and he was appointed to fulfill a term

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<v Speaker 1>on from city council and continued until recently to practice

0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.840
<v Speaker 1>criminal defense law until his law license was suspended after

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<v Speaker 1>he was charged with different sex trafficking related crimes. Here again,

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<v Speaker 1>Stephanie and Jeff. Morant's focus as a lawyer was Portsmouth's underworld,

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<v Speaker 1>which gave him easy access to things like sex workers

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<v Speaker 1>and drug dealers. He also has a connection to the

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<v Speaker 1>Wagners and just as a reminder, Pug Carter is actually

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<v Speaker 1>Angela Wagner's father and George and Jake's grandfather, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was allegedly using his pawn business to rip people off

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day. He was also a frequenter of

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<v Speaker 1>this nefarious place called Big Bear Lake. It's a location

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<v Speaker 1>we've heard about for years but haven't been able to

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<v Speaker 1>speak about it until now, and it appears to be

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<v Speaker 1>a place that intersects Michael Moran, Sheriff Charles Reader, the Wagners,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the road Ins. It may be a

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<v Speaker 1>key factor in the trials ahead. Big Bear Lake could

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<v Speaker 1>hold deep secrets that pertained to the case. We'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into that a little more next week. Here's James Pilcher

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<v Speaker 1>speaking about Michael Moran and his connection to Pug Carter.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta tell you, he would represent anybody that came

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<v Speaker 1>in his door, and he specialized in low level crime

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:31.040
<v Speaker 1>and drug offenses and DUIs and all of that. That

0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 1>was his specialty. That's how he made his living. The

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<v Speaker 1>fact that a guy like Plug Carter came across his

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<v Speaker 1>bow and he represented him was not surprising to me

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<v Speaker 1>at all, because that's what he specialized in. But now

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<v Speaker 1>he was facing possibly career ending allegations from a half

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<v Speaker 1>dozen women. Here again, Bob, strictly, I would say that

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<v Speaker 1>the women had stepped forward or was at the forefront.

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<v Speaker 1>It just took somebody hitting me over the head with

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<v Speaker 1>a fish that'd actually start paying attention to it in

0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:03.119
<v Speaker 1>regard that it demands. What set this one apart for me,

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<v Speaker 1>It was just the amount of women that stepped forward

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<v Speaker 1>and said something about this to us and talk to

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<v Speaker 1>us about it. And then also the apparatus that has

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<v Speaker 1>to exist around a person like Michael Moran for an

0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 1>operation as we reported on to exist in the first place,

0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:24.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people have to turn their heads. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>if anything, over the years of working on this particular story,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of the damnability of people who just turned

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<v Speaker 1>the other way and don't care about what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>right in front of them in their community is more

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<v Speaker 1>prevalent than maybe we all realized initially. The charges against

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Moran included three counts of trafficking in person, five counts

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<v Speaker 1>of compelling prostitution, nine counts of promoting prostitution, and one

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:54.320
<v Speaker 1>count of engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. His

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<v Speaker 1>arrest was orchestrated by Human Trafficking Task Force under Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney General Debat, combining the forces of the BCI and

0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:07.400
<v Speaker 1>several other agencies. Moran was the first domino to fall.

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<v Speaker 1>Multiple other people are still under investigation. Meghan Lancaster had

0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:21.160
<v Speaker 1>a color coded notebook in which she kept track of clients.

0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 1>The entries included scribbles such as quote dance for and

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:30.440
<v Speaker 1>quote men who give money and included Moran's name and number,

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 1>along with the notation of eighty dollars. Again, Bob strictly.

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:39.919
<v Speaker 1>There were rumors about Lancaster's disappearance being related to Moran

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.840
<v Speaker 1>for several years. Her sister in law provided us with

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<v Speaker 1>her little address like slash fun number book with different

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<v Speaker 1>numbers in it, Dozens and dozens and dozens of different

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<v Speaker 1>numbers of men. Moran was listed in there. We called

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<v Speaker 1>all of those people to see what their associations were

0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 1>with Lancaster and came back with We came back with,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's still missing, and I give her credit for

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<v Speaker 1>continuing to keep the issue forefront. According to investigators, there

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<v Speaker 1>were at least six women entangled in his exploditive ring.

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:19.439
<v Speaker 1>Moran denied all allegations. Was Megan Lancaster just another piece

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:23.960
<v Speaker 1>of his disposable merchandise. After years of probing, the Megan

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<v Speaker 1>Lancaster case when cold, in May of twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>eight years after her disappearance, the Ohio BCI issued an

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<v Speaker 1>age advanced rendering of Megan as a forensic tool to

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<v Speaker 1>reignite interest in finding her. Soon after the case was

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<v Speaker 1>turned over to the BCI Cold Case Unit, Katie was hopeful,

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<v Speaker 1>but nothing came of it. Meanwhile, Moran remained business as usual.

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:53.119
<v Speaker 1>Michael Moran was out on bond, and part of his

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<v Speaker 1>bond agreement was not to practice law, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>under investigator, an impossible suspension by the Bar Association, and

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:05.440
<v Speaker 1>he still showed up trying to defend a client in

0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 1>municipal court. So they rescinded his bond agreement and they

0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:10.399
<v Speaker 1>put him on house arrestle of the bracelet. But that

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:15.439
<v Speaker 1>shows you that he was arrogant to the end. Then

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<v Speaker 1>in October of twenty twenty one, the tragedy deepened when

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:22.639
<v Speaker 1>Katie Lancaster, then thirty three, was found dead in a

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:29.240
<v Speaker 1>residence on the fourth block of Portsmouth. Angie Montgomery was devastated.

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 1>I remember who told me. Somebody sent me a message

0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 1>about it. Of course, the first thing I did was

0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:38.439
<v Speaker 1>cry my head off because she was one of my

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 1>really good friends. She's the reason that I fight so hard.

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<v Speaker 1>As reporter James Pilcher tells us Katie's death was a

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:52.160
<v Speaker 1>possible overdose, possibly induced by the stresses of relentlessly searching

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:55.120
<v Speaker 1>for her missing sister in law, but no one knows

0:27:55.160 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 1>for sure. Being the advocate, it can really wear on you.

0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:04.200
<v Speaker 1>There's only so much fuel in the tank, There's only

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 1>so much emotional fuel in the tank, or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And the funny thing is is that she wasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>other than being her sister in law, she wasn't really

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:14.160
<v Speaker 1>technically related to her. She was really good friends with her,

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 1>and then to lose her to possibly a drug overdose,

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<v Speaker 1>given all of what's going on in Seoda County, in

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Pike County, it was just such a tragic, tragic thing

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:30.639
<v Speaker 1>to hear given everything that that family has been through.

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<v Speaker 1>As tragical as it is that she's gone, the fact

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 1>that she kept going as long as she did and

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<v Speaker 1>brought attention to this is one of the reasons why

0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 1>we had the story that we did. Angie has her

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 1>doubts about the apparent overdose. Infiltrating the sex trafficking world

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<v Speaker 1>like she was, could Katie have been silenced? I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest with you. She was easy and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know it. Around this aready ways to meet people,

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<v Speaker 1>quiet like at first, when I found out that it

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<v Speaker 1>was just supposed to overdose, I was like, no, something's wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been people here in Pike Canopy that have guided

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<v Speaker 1>as apparent drug overdoses and everybody knews better. As brutal

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<v Speaker 1>as the fate of these two women is, it did

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<v Speaker 1>raise awareness of the struggle of women living in the

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<v Speaker 1>margins Bob strictly, it certainly is taking an Epstein Weinstein

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<v Speaker 1>sort of story and saying, yeah, it can happen here too.

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<v Speaker 1>There's positions of power littered throughout our society that are

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<v Speaker 1>in a spot where they can abuse where they stand

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<v Speaker 1>because they're marginalized people who nobody will listen to. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a small town example of a lot of really

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<v Speaker 1>brave women stepping up and telling their stories and hoping

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<v Speaker 1>that something changes. James Pilcher points out that small town

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<v Speaker 1>cases of sex abuse are systemically no different from anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>The one thing that this did was made me so

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<v Speaker 1>much more aware and so much more interested in telling

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<v Speaker 1>the stories of all these women all over the country.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter if there was a small town Portsmouth,

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio or suburban Chicago. I've spoken to girls who got

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<v Speaker 1>trapped into it by their uncles, and they've lived in

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<v Speaker 1>pretty affluent suburbs of Seattle. This sex trafficking is an onerous,

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<v Speaker 1>evil thing that is going on everywhere. It's never going

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<v Speaker 1>to stop until you make it harder on the men

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<v Speaker 1>for buying the sex and going after the sex than

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<v Speaker 1>it is for the women selling the sex, who most likely,

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<v Speaker 1>more than likely highly likely are being coerced into it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's never going away. I will say that's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I took away from that whole experience is just

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<v Speaker 1>how wide my eyes were opened to this whole semi

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<v Speaker 1>underbelly of American society. Let's stop here for another break.

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<v Speaker 1>In November of twenty twenty one, Michael Moran, who had

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<v Speaker 1>a number of health issues, died while Adam Bond after

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<v Speaker 1>a brief hospital stay. His case was then dismissed, but

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<v Speaker 1>Moran might have left behind a more wide ranging network

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<v Speaker 1>of abuse and exploitation. James Pilcher. The women whose lives

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<v Speaker 1>he ruined are not getting a shot to face him

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<v Speaker 1>in court, in face person that did this to them.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's so much more to that story than just

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Moran. There's so much more what was going on

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<v Speaker 1>in Portsmouth and how his operation had created all of

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<v Speaker 1>these webs into branches of government. I really think that

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<v Speaker 1>there are people that do not want it to go

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<v Speaker 1>any further now. That Moran is dead, You're opening a

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<v Speaker 1>whole can of worms. I mean, they had opened an

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<v Speaker 1>investigation into all of the previous convictions and trials overseen

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<v Speaker 1>by William Marshall, the judge who was known to pal

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<v Speaker 1>around with Michael Moran, who was possibly named in the

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<v Speaker 1>federal affidavit. The first turn to sawn to the Morans

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<v Speaker 1>story and that other women said that they slept with

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<v Speaker 1>him and that Marian set it up. According to an

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<v Speaker 1>article published in April of twenty twenty by The Daily Independent,

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen, more than two thousand and seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>cases judge William Marshall oversaw were reviewed by the state.

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<v Speaker 1>This happened after it was revealed that he was potentially

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<v Speaker 1>involved with Michael Moran's sex trafficking ring, among other allegations.

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<v Speaker 1>He has never commented on these controversies, and she describes

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<v Speaker 1>her reaction when she learned Moran was dead. I turned

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<v Speaker 1>my phone on and was blowing up. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh God, had something happened and I've seen it And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, that's so of a bitch. That's horrible

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<v Speaker 1>to say about someone passing away. But I got me

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<v Speaker 1>and he got away, and he took all the secrets

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<v Speaker 1>with him, because there's way more than him involved in

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<v Speaker 1>all that. I'm hoping that he stilled the beings and

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<v Speaker 1>told the whole story before he passed away, But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. He was an awful evil man. There were

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<v Speaker 1>other people involved and they need to be prosecuted for that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's women that are dead because of that, and women

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<v Speaker 1>are missy because of what he did. For years he

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<v Speaker 1>denied it, that everybody knew what he was doing. It

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<v Speaker 1>surprised me that it took that long for something to

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<v Speaker 1>be done about it. It's a long time. People have

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about that for fifteen years. But as Angie says,

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<v Speaker 1>in the end, Moran will still meet his maker and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe there's a reason to hope for a brighter future again.

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<v Speaker 1>James Pilcher, Portsmouth is actually better off than Pike County.

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<v Speaker 1>There are new people in positions of authority. Now they've

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<v Speaker 1>got a new police because they've got a new mayor.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you still have the poverty. It's still one

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<v Speaker 1>of the places in Ohio with the highest rate of

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<v Speaker 1>overdose steps and opioid addiction. But as for the town

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<v Speaker 1>moving on from the corruption and all of the things,

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<v Speaker 1>were happening when Moran was there. I think they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to turn a corner. More on that next time. If

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