WEBVTT - Hour 2 - Doug Williams (06-12-20) 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.520 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.640 Sports Radio. Made it to a Friday Tragger Meet Friday 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:10.479 Chili Dogs today for the Danets. Glad you're part of 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:12.920 the program. H seven seven three D P show Email 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:16.760 ADDRESSDP at dan Patrick dot com. Just saw this article. 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:20.360 The Knicks approval rating among NBA players is reportedly at 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:26.480 rock bottom after releasing a late bland statement about racism ESPNS. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.320 Brian Winhorse said the Knicks will have a hard time 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:33.200 selling themselves to free agents, while former NBA player Karn 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.600 Butler said players and those around the league take notice 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:39.720 of the team's handling of such issues. I don't need 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:41.920 to be a buzz kill to Brian Winhorse, but Brian, 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.320 free agents were coming to the Knicks prior to this. 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.360 I can't expect that they would be coming now for 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:52.040 any other reason other than money. The Knicks, according to 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.880 Brian Winhorse, their rating or approval rating amongst players is 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.600 so low right now it's devastating for their hopes to 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:02.960 appeal to anybody to say, come play for us going forward. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.280 Wendy said this on First Take. Kevin Durant said that 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.920 playing for the Knicks is not cool at the moment, 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.880 because I thought Kevin durant along was leaving Golden State 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:16.120 and he was going to go to the Knicks, and 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.240 then he would get together with Kyrie Irving and all 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.000 of a sudden they would bring glory and joy back 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:25.440 to New York City and Madison Square Garden. I did 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.200 not know that the Knicks were that far down on 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.920 the totem pole with approval rating, but I'm not surprised 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.119 at all. So they weren't getting free agents before this. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.840 They're definitely not getting free agents after this. Coming up, 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.880 we'll talk to Doug Williams super Bowl winning quarterbacks. Super 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.440 Bowl twenty two. He threw four touchdown passes in the 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:49.840 second quarter of that game. No quarterback has thrown four 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.720 touchdowns in a single quarter in the Super Bowl. Nobody 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.720 has even three touchdown passes in a single quarter in 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.240 a Super Bowl. And if you remember that Super Bowl 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.760 against Denver, Doug Williams went down and it looked like 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.040 he had a serious knee injury, and then he came 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.840 back and they blew out the Broncos. But he threw 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.080 three touchdown passes of at least twenty five yards in 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:14.840 Super Bowl twenty two. The only other quarterback to do 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.440 that in a single Super Bowl. Joe Montana did it 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.079 two years later in Super Bowl twenty four. So Doug 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:24.160 Williams will join us. The reason or reasons. Doug was 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.720 a first round draft pick of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:31.240 A black quarterback going that high was really rare, and 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:34.079 he was playing on bad teams in Tampa. Then they 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.919 got close. They almost went to the Super Bowl, went 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.000 to the NFC Title Game. Lost. That probably could have 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.080 changed the fortunes of Tampa forever if they had gone 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.720 on to that Super Bowl. Doug eventually went to the USFL. 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.359 He wanted more money from Tampa. They weren't going to 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.800 pay him. Went to the USFL, then went to the 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:55.679 Washington Redskins and worked his way up to me in 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.160 the Starter, won a Super Bowl. They're basing a movie 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:02.400 off his life. So Doug Williams, former Grambling coach and quarterback, 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.320 we'll join us. Coming up a little bit. Also, Judd Apatow, 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:10.600 great producer, director, writer, comedian, gave us bridesmaids, gave us 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.079 a forty year old virgin. Now he's got the King 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.800 of Staten Island with Pete Davidson. So we'll talk to Judd. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:21.160 He'll join us coming up live sports this weekend, soccer, boxing, golf. 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.839 I'm ready. I don't care who's planning. I'm watching, it's 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:29.200 live and I'm ready to go. Whole question, mcleven. Are 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.040 we gonna go what we had from the first hour? Yeah? 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.640 I went with would you rather win five non major 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.640 golf tournaments or one major? One major? Is barely winning 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.600 fifty two forty eight right now? Well, if I know 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:43.960 I'm winning the Masters, I'm taking the Masters. I think 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:48.080 you take the PGA even I might depending on what 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.120 five tournaments. So I'm going to win because I can 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.160 look at the paycheck for those and you know what 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.080 kind of status does that helped me become on the 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.560 PGA tour? You know? Do I get? You know I'm 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.560 gonna be on tour, then I'm guaranteed to be an 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.520 X number of events if I win those events, and 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:06.640 how much money I make? Yeah? Point so. But nothing 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.600 against these sponsors or anything like that, but they they're interchangeable. 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.200 So let's say you won the Safeway Open, the CJ 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:17.680 Cup at Nine Bridges, the Bermuda Championship, the Mayacoba Golf Classic, 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:22.280 and the QBE shootout. No one remembers any of those. 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.720 Those are five random ones from the season this year. Yeah, 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.320 but if I get to pick my five, then that's 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.839 different because then I'm going to take the Players Championship 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.160 to start. Yes, mcclevin, remember that year the Tiger won 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.119 a bunch of regular season tournaments and win a major. 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.479 Everyone said kind of implied that wasn't a great year, 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:42.440 or it's good even though he's Golfer of the year. 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.719 It was a letdown that Yeah, so he was golfer 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.560 the year and went over for four in the majors. 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.080 Now to Tiger, that's a bad year. That's not a 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:54.640 bad year for just about any other golfer. By the way, 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:59.320 since twenty fourteen, the New York Knicks winning percentage, they 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:03.720 win thirty percent of the time. Thirty percent of the time. 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.279 That's worse than the NBA. And then I'm looking at 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:08.960 seeing who they're going to bring as a head coach. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:15.039 Tom Thibodeaux calling Tibbs is well respected. Free agents aren't 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.520 going to go play for Tom Thibodeaux. You know, does 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.039 Jason Kidd get an opportunity here? Now they're talking about 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.440 bringing back Mike Woodson who used to be there who 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.400 shouldn't have gotten fired. But you got to get somebody 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.840 in there who's going to breathe some life into that franchise, 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.200 because when you think of the Knicks, you think of 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.719 their owner, and that's not what you want to think 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.040 of when you're a fan or a player who might 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.440 want to play there. Yeah, mclev is it a big 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.599 selling point that if you play for the Knicks you 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.000 won't get stuck down in Orlando during a pandemic playoff series. 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:48.880 So that'd be the reason why I would go there 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:52.159 in case another pandemic breaks out. Yeah, I'm on the Knicks. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:53.720 I don't have to worry about going there and being 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:57.520 the quarantined in the bubble. We've been talking about this 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.000 the last couple of weeks. Change comes at different and paces. 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.120 Sometimes it's a slow trickle over years. Sometimes it comes 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.520 right at us all at once in a hurry, And 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.240 this week in sports it's been the latter. It started 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.080 last Friday, when the commissioner of the NFL, Roger Goodell, 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.280 said the NFL was wrong about stopping players from protesting, 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:21.120 also said black lives matter. Then this week, NASCAR surprised 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:25.600 many by announcing the Confederate flag would be prohibited at races. 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:30.159 Other leagues, teams, players have made statements, joint protests took 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.159 to social media. Sometimes hard to tell what is really 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.040 genuine there, you know what is just in the moment. 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.400 Where are people going to be in six months, a 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:42.880 year from now. The real evidence of people's intentions will 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.040 come out when we see results, and it seems like 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.240 we're seeing some and as tough as this month has been, 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.960 there are reasons to be hopeful and hopeful that we 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:57.320 work on this collectively and make people's lives better. I 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.720 guess everything is political, including these state that I'm making, 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:02.800 but I think that most of us want the same thing. 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.279 We want our country to be better. I know it 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:10.280 sounds hollow and maybe it sound disingenuous, but it's also 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.040 what we aspire to through it all. You want the 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.560 country to be better. I don't know if Colin Kaepernick 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:18.280 is going to get a job. I said I didn't 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.560 think he was going to, and I've had that opinion 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:24.760 for the last four years. I just there's nothing that's 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:28.600 changed with Colin Kaepernick except for he's gotten older. We 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.120 don't know if he's gotten better. As a football player. 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.680 Feels like that the NFL is a little more tolerant 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:39.400 with Colin Kaepernick taking a knee and other players. I 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.480 think Patrick Mahomes is the key to all of this, 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.880 And I'll explain when Michael Vick went to prison for 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:51.640 killing dogs. When he came out, Andy Reid brought him 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:56.400 into Philadelphia as a backup quarterback. They were protests, but 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.760 they moved past that and Michael Vick proved that he 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.520 could still play. Now. Granted he's younger, three years younger 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:05.840 than Colin Kaepernick is. Right now, Patrick Mahomes has the 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:10.360 most secure job in the NFL right now. Right won 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.320 a Super Bowl. He's going to get paid forty to 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:17.640 fifty million dollars. He's respected, he's well liked, comes from 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.320 a mixed marriage. His mother is white and father's black. 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:26.280 Father former baseball player, and he's been speaking up. He's 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:31.480 been speaking out. I think the Kansas City Chiefs, if 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:35.120 Colin Kaepernick goes anywhere, is going to the Kansas City Chiefs. 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:39.720 Pete Carroll, the Seattle Seahawks head coach, says an NFL 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.560 team called him about Colin Kaepernick. And here is Pete 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.400 Carroll talking about that I regret that that didn't happen 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.400 In some fession, I wish we would have contributed to it, 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.640 because again deserved to play. I thought at the time, 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.240 I just in our situation as a backup man. I 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.480 didn't feel it was right at that time, so I 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.240 had to make that football decision. It was about our 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.000 team in the situation we had starting quarterback at all 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.679 of that, and it wasn't going to be the open 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.040 competitive situation that I'd like to think all of our 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.319 spots are because Russ was such a dominant figure and 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.839 all that. So anyway, that's what happened, and I wish 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.280 we people would had called me during the time before 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.240 we ever got him in and say, hey, he'd he'd 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:17.719 be great in your program. He may not be able 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.400 to play the hero or there, but he certainly could 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.240 play for you. I agree with that he could play 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.480 for us. He could have been a fantastic player in 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.880 a program. Unfortunately just didn't work out. And then when 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.120 you look back, I felt like we missed the opportunity. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.240 And so as I look back at it, I wish 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.640 we could have figured it out and known what we 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.160 know now and give him the chance because I would 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.600 love to see him play football those years. I don't 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.760 know what you know now that you didn't know then, Pete, 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:45.080 other than he's but three years older, four years older, 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:49.240 and you have a secure quarterback. I think at the time, 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.040 if you brought in Colin Kaepernick, which I thought Seattle 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.280 was going to sign him. I thought Baltimore, Seattle was 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.880 going to sign him. And I think at the time, 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.040 if you said to Colin Kaepernick, hey, we're going to 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.080 bring you in just so you know, we have an 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.400 established quarterback with Russell Wilson, I mean, you have Gino 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:09.600 Smith right now. Is Colin Kaepernick better than Gino Smith? 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:15.200 Probably so? At his best, he certainly is. And Pete says, 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.600 I don't know why we didn't sign him, Like there 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.319 had to be a reason why you didn't sign him. 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.160 Did you feel like, hey, that's not fair to Russell Wilson. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.760 But now you and then you tease us by saying 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:31.000 somebody called you about Colin Kaepernick, but then you don't 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:36.160 tell us who called you about Colin Kaepernick. And then 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.560 you say, well, hey, if I know, if I knew 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:40.800 now what I knew you, then I remember blah blah, 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:42.560 whatever I should have you know, we should a sign 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.520 where we could bring him in. Whatever. This goes back 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.679 to what I said. You know, hey, everybody wanted to 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:53.920 draft Russell Wilson, but nobody did through the first three rounds. Hey, 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.240 we thought about bringing in Colin Kaepernick, but we have 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:01.480 a backup quarterback. Okay, I don't know if somebody's going 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.760 to bring him in. And if they do, and you're 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.880 Colin Kaepernick, why are you being brought in? Now? We 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.120 feel sorry for you. Now, we feel like we have 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.720 to give you a handout. Kaepernick wants to earn a job. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:18.640 Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk said that he was 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.080 reporting Kaepernick is in great shape and more motivated to 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:30.440 play than ever before. Okay, if he goes into Kansas City, 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.280 he knows he's not starting, but he's back in the league, 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.880 and then people are gonna watch what Colin Kaepernick does, 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:41.400 and then maybe it's sort of a way station, a 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.040 safe house for him, and then maybe he can get 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.440 a job someplace. Maybe that was what my thought process was, 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.439 that Andy Reid can do no wrong in Kansas City. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.160 Patrick Mahomes is the most important player in the NFL, 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.680 most powerful player in the NFL. If Holmes who got 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:05.280 hurt last year. If Mahomes said to Andy Reid or 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.720 vice versa, what do you think about bringing in cap 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.679 I'm going to guess that both of those guys would 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:20.920 probably look at this as in a football situation and say, yeah, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.040 that's a good backup for a guy who got injured 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.440 last year. Now you got Matt Moore, I believe, but 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.280 if you're going to bring him in, he needs to know, Okay, 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.920 I'm not going to be the starting quarterback, but you're 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.760 on a team. You get to play, and Andy Reid 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.360 will probably take the hit if there is a hit. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.240 Maybe it's around the league, maybe not so much in 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:47.360 Kansas City. But if Patrick Mahomes said, now, it might 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.720 not be fair to Matt Moore. But if you're going 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.000 to bring in Colin Kaepernick, I thought that might be 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.400 the place I thought Baltimore would be. But then I 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.360 don't know how delicate it is if you bring in 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.960 Kaepernick and then you're releasing a black quarterback in Robert 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:06.520 Griffin Junior the third I don't know if you know 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.200 this sensitivity was something like that. I don't know, but 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.680 I thought Seattle was going to I thought Baltimore was 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.680 going to And the more I think about it, Kansas 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.000 City to me makes the most sense. Yeah, Paul, staying 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.080 with Kansas City. You've said that you don't think callin 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.319 Kabernick should or will take a backup job in the NFL. 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.920 But if you're Kavernick and you think to yourself, if 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.480 I sign with the Chiefs, there's a solid chance that 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.880 I'm standing on the sidelines during the national anthem of 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:34.680 the Super Bowl next year, or playing on a Super 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.640 Bowl team, the biggest stage in all of sports, A 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:42.560 two week media blitz around you, even though you're the backup, 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.800 two weeks where the Chiefs. The Chiefs are the favorites 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:49.160 next year. Right, Yeah, think about that. If you're thinking 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:53.040 about both football and spreading your message, what better team. Well, 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.680 this is what I was told by a TV executive yesterday, 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.800 and he said, teams are gonna want to know what 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.840 the most what's more important to you, social cause or football? 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.960 Because if it's football, then you got to show us 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.880 that football is more important. Social activism is one thing. 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.040 And this was going to make teams a little concern 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.080 I don't want to say nervous, but they would be 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:19.680 concerned about this. Because are you here because of a cause? 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.400 Are you here because you want to play football? If 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.480 Mike Florio is right that Kaepernick is more motivated than ever, 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:29.360 then you want to see that motivation being able to play. 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.720 And I just think getting back into that routine, even 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.200 if you're going to be a backup quarterback to Patrick Mahomes. 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.640 Could he compete for other jobs around the league, Yes, 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.040 but owners want to see what he will be like, 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:48.520 how he handles himself. And we might get to the point, 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.600 this is three months from now, with all the social 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.840 activism and protesting, do we get to the point where 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.880 because Colin Kaepernick took a knee because he wanted to 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:02.360 shed a light on this. The light has been shed 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:06.920 on this many lights. It's really bright right now. Do 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:11.720 you need to then kneel during the anthem to bring 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:15.840 light bring this to light. You've already done that, You 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:20.320 might say, Okay, mission accomplished. When it comes to a 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.480 football game and an anthem, we're not going to We're 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.520 not going to kneel. We don't need to. We're going 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:30.200 to do other things. And that's what I'm curious about. 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.120 In three months from now, that's a long long time 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.720 We're three months into this pandemic, and look at where 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.200 we are right now to where we were three months ago. 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.080 Where are we going to be as a society in 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:46.600 three months? Where will we be football wise? And we 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.120 might get to a point where and I don't want 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.280 to speak for the African American players, I'm just looking 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:56.000 at this thinking, you've shed a light on this, which 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:59.760 is what Kaepernick wanted, Eric Reid wanted, Malcolm Jenkins wanted. 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.720 So what is the next step? And that's what I'm 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.160 curious about when it comes to this, because it could 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.160 open the door for Kaepernick to get a legitimate chance, 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:14.000 because Kaepernick could say we're doing this now, we're moving 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.480 forward with this, we have mission accomplished with what we 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.160 wanted to do back in twenty sixteen. And I think 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.520 that the next stage is what's important for these players, 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:29.360 and leading the charge is Patrick Mahomes. We'll take a break. 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:33.000 Doug Williams certainly went through his fair share of racism, 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.680 and he'll tell you some of those stories. Known Doug 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.920 a long time, and the highs and lows of coming 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.600 out of Grambling being a first round pick. Then you 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.320 go to the woeful Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and in two 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.600 years they're on the verge of going to the Super Bowl. 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.040 They go to the NFC Title Game. Remember they had 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:54.200 Ricky Bell, the Selman Brothers. They had a good team, 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.200 good team and got to the NFC Title Game. And 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.880 then after that he wanted more money and I went 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.560 to the USFL, got back into the NFL and had 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:06.359 one of the great performance in Super Bowl history super 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.520 Bowl twenty two. And now they're making a movie on 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:12.199 his life. Should be good. Radio. Coming up, Doug Williams 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.439 will join us. We'll take a break here coming up 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.920 on nineteen after the hour here on The Dan Patrick Show. 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.480 Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.359 sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine to 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.760 noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.359 Find your local station for The Dan Patrick Show at 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.360 Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:35.320 day on the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R. 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.879 I always loved spending some time with Doug Williams, the 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:43.200 Redskins senior vice president player development. First round pick by 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:46.160 the Tampa Bay Buccaneers back in nineteen seventy eight, got 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.840 a biopick based on his life coming out Doug Jones 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:53.199 us on the program. Wow, that's quite a tiger you 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.960 have behind us. You're grambling tiger behind us, Doug. That's menacing. 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:01.119 Oh do you have your mute button on? Yeah? I 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:06.800 got to run this stuff. Man, everything is I thought 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:08.359 you were on a silent count of the line of 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.159 scrimmage there and you weren't saying anything. No, it's in 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:15.760 the stadium. Take me back. I know that you have 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:21.320 a book and autobiography called quarter Black. Um, why do 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:25.240 you respond or why did you title it the quarter Black? Well, 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.600 you know because every way I went when I came 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:32.000 out Danny Hugh Greem member and going to Tampa every 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.359 article that was written it was never Doug Williams the 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.200 quarterback of the Buccaneers. It was either Tampa Bay's black 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:43.040 quarterback or either Doug Williams Tampa Bay's black quarterback. And 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:45.680 if you read early in the book, I always say 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.720 the anyone who tied at a quarter black. So that 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.159 was a good name for the book at And I remember, 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.720 didn't somebody ask you how long you've been a black quarterback? 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:56.920 When you were at the super Bowl. That was the 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:01.120 one of media days named Bush Jones blessed his soul. 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.400 He's going on to heaven. Now. I knew Butch because 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.080 he worked in Jackson, Misissippi with the paper. But I 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.239 and I looked at that from a standpoint. You got 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.200 a guy he was nervous. He wanted to get his 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:14.200 questions out because so many people was a round. I 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.600 don't think he meanted the way it came out. And 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:18.080 he just want to know how long I've been in 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.600 a black quarterback. My answer to him was since I 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.000 left Bramlin, because when I was at Grammar, I wasn't 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:29.320 a black carterback. I wonder if the Buccaneers didn't draft 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.040 you in the first round. I wonder if you would 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.000 have been drafted in the first round. Do you think 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:35.800 you still would have been taken in the first round? 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.600 Do I really do it was either two teams. I 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:43.480 think that was a great possibility. And let me say 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.560 it before I get that June Jones. I think we 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.520 all know who June Jones are. Yeah. June Jones was 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:53.200 the backup quarterback for the Atlanta Facons behind Steve Bakowski, 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:57.480 and we played the Atlanta Falcons Tampa and the Falcons 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.359 played and after the game June Jones walked up to 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:03.520 me and he said, man, it's a shame. He said, cousin, 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.920 actually you should have been the number one pick in 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.680 the whole draft. And you know that's that's the hear 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:10.800 of that. But I think Tampa was smart enough to 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:14.960 know that black quarterback coming out in nineteen seventy eight, 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.840 they could trade and get some most draft picks and everything, 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.359 and I probably would still be there at number seventeen, 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:23.639 and they made that move. So that's what happened. But 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.720 I do believe two other teams and and and just 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:30.720 just the from conversation with these teams during that time, 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.399 and that was either the Dallas Cowboy GiB bran and 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.159 and John Wooden talked to them a lot at that 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:42.360 particular time. And the other one was Barkstar at Greenback. Oh, 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.880 that would have been interesting. But Greenbay had two draft 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.280 picks that year. They picked Jane Lofton and I don't 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.639 know who they picked down. Uh. I think they was 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.960 picking twenty six early on and then number twenty six, 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:56.080 So I could have even have been the late pick 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.879 for the Green Bay Packers. How did you keep the 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:04.720 US inside what you you know you were experiencing racism 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:07.840 at the time, but I don't know to what degree 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:10.879 well for me to be able to handle it and 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:14.000 even to today, uh Dan, you know, I think I 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:15.840 handled it with the handle with a lot of grace 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:19.119 because number why, I grew up in uh South Louisiana, 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:23.720 and I understood what racism was way back when. You know, 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:27.119 born in nineteen fifty five, so I was in you know, 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:29.960 young boy doing the civil rights time. So when you 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:33.400 set around, you hear your grandmother and your granddaddy, your mom, 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.399 your dad talk about what's going on. You know, I 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:40.080 knew every Friday night from cross road across or where 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.240 I lived, that was a crossing the cross road down 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:45.359 to my right was by the mile, and down to 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:47.840 my left was by the mile, and in between that 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.480 it was all black family. So every Friday night that 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:55.040 was a cross burning at those those intersections, and you know, 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.560 all the men's in the neighborhood when the cross go up, 0:21:57.880 --> 0:21:59.800 we'll get in their cars and trucks, you know, with 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:01.919