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Speaker 1: The Knicks approval rating among NBA players is reportedly at
Speaker 1: rock bottom after releasing a late bland statement about racism ESPNS.
Speaker 1: Brian Winhorse said the Knicks will have a hard time
Speaker 1: selling themselves to free agents, while former NBA player Karn
Speaker 1: Butler said players and those around the league take notice
Speaker 1: of the team's handling of such issues. I don't need
Speaker 1: to be a buzz kill to Brian Winhorse, but Brian,
Speaker 1: free agents were coming to the Knicks prior to this.
Speaker 1: I can't expect that they would be coming now for
Speaker 1: any other reason other than money. The Knicks, according to
Speaker 1: Brian Winhorse, their rating or approval rating amongst players is
Speaker 1: so low right now it's devastating for their hopes to
Speaker 1: appeal to anybody to say, come play for us going forward.
Speaker 1: Wendy said this on First Take. Kevin Durant said that
Speaker 1: playing for the Knicks is not cool at the moment,
Speaker 1: because I thought Kevin durant along was leaving Golden State
Speaker 1: and he was going to go to the Knicks, and
Speaker 1: then he would get together with Kyrie Irving and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they would bring glory and joy back
Speaker 1: to New York City and Madison Square Garden. I did
Speaker 1: not know that the Knicks were that far down on
Speaker 1: the totem pole with approval rating, but I'm not surprised
Speaker 1: at all. So they weren't getting free agents before this.
Speaker 1: They're definitely not getting free agents after this. Coming up,
Speaker 1: we'll talk to Doug Williams super Bowl winning quarterbacks. Super
Speaker 1: Bowl twenty two. He threw four touchdown passes in the
Speaker 1: second quarter of that game. No quarterback has thrown four
Speaker 1: touchdowns in a single quarter in the Super Bowl. Nobody
Speaker 1: has even three touchdown passes in a single quarter in
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. And if you remember that Super Bowl
Speaker 1: against Denver, Doug Williams went down and it looked like
Speaker 1: he had a serious knee injury, and then he came
Speaker 1: back and they blew out the Broncos. But he threw
Speaker 1: three touchdown passes of at least twenty five yards in
Speaker 1: Super Bowl twenty two. The only other quarterback to do
Speaker 1: that in a single Super Bowl. Joe Montana did it
Speaker 1: two years later in Super Bowl twenty four. So Doug
Speaker 1: Williams will join us. The reason or reasons. Doug was
Speaker 1: a first round draft pick of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 1: A black quarterback going that high was really rare, and
Speaker 1: he was playing on bad teams in Tampa. Then they
Speaker 1: got close. They almost went to the Super Bowl, went
Speaker 1: to the NFC Title Game. Lost. That probably could have
Speaker 1: changed the fortunes of Tampa forever if they had gone
Speaker 1: on to that Super Bowl. Doug eventually went to the USFL.
Speaker 1: He wanted more money from Tampa. They weren't going to
Speaker 1: pay him. Went to the USFL, then went to the
Speaker 1: Washington Redskins and worked his way up to me in
Speaker 1: the Starter, won a Super Bowl. They're basing a movie
Speaker 1: off his life. So Doug Williams, former Grambling coach and quarterback,
Speaker 1: we'll join us. Coming up a little bit. Also, Judd Apatow,
Speaker 1: great producer, director, writer, comedian, gave us bridesmaids, gave us
Speaker 1: a forty year old virgin. Now he's got the King
Speaker 1: of Staten Island with Pete Davidson. So we'll talk to Judd.
Speaker 1: He'll join us coming up live sports this weekend, soccer, boxing, golf.
Speaker 1: I'm ready. I don't care who's planning. I'm watching, it's
Speaker 1: live and I'm ready to go. Whole question, mcleven. Are
Speaker 1: we gonna go what we had from the first hour? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I went with would you rather win five non major
Speaker 1: golf tournaments or one major? One major? Is barely winning
Speaker 1: fifty two forty eight right now? Well, if I know
Speaker 1: I'm winning the Masters, I'm taking the Masters. I think
Speaker 1: you take the PGA even I might depending on what
Speaker 1: five tournaments. So I'm going to win because I can
Speaker 1: look at the paycheck for those and you know what
Speaker 1: kind of status does that helped me become on the
Speaker 1: PGA tour? You know? Do I get? You know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be on tour, then I'm guaranteed to be an
Speaker 1: X number of events if I win those events, and
Speaker 1: how much money I make? Yeah? Point so. But nothing
Speaker 1: against these sponsors or anything like that, but they they're interchangeable.
Speaker 1: So let's say you won the Safeway Open, the CJ
Speaker 1: Cup at Nine Bridges, the Bermuda Championship, the Mayacoba Golf Classic,
Speaker 1: and the QBE shootout. No one remembers any of those.
Speaker 1: Those are five random ones from the season this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if I get to pick my five, then that's
Speaker 1: different because then I'm going to take the Players Championship
Speaker 1: to start. Yes, mcclevin, remember that year the Tiger won
Speaker 1: a bunch of regular season tournaments and win a major.
Speaker 1: Everyone said kind of implied that wasn't a great year,
Speaker 1: or it's good even though he's Golfer of the year.
Speaker 1: It was a letdown that Yeah, so he was golfer
Speaker 1: the year and went over for four in the majors.
Speaker 1: Now to Tiger, that's a bad year. That's not a
Speaker 1: bad year for just about any other golfer. By the way,
Speaker 1: since twenty fourteen, the New York Knicks winning percentage, they
Speaker 1: win thirty percent of the time. Thirty percent of the time.
Speaker 1: That's worse than the NBA. And then I'm looking at
Speaker 1: seeing who they're going to bring as a head coach.
Speaker 1: Tom Thibodeaux calling Tibbs is well respected. Free agents aren't
Speaker 1: going to go play for Tom Thibodeaux. You know, does
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd get an opportunity here? Now they're talking about
Speaker 1: bringing back Mike Woodson who used to be there who
Speaker 1: shouldn't have gotten fired. But you got to get somebody
Speaker 1: in there who's going to breathe some life into that franchise,
Speaker 1: because when you think of the Knicks, you think of
Speaker 1: their owner, and that's not what you want to think
Speaker 1: of when you're a fan or a player who might
Speaker 1: want to play there. Yeah, mclev is it a big
Speaker 1: selling point that if you play for the Knicks you
Speaker 1: won't get stuck down in Orlando during a pandemic playoff series.
Speaker 1: So that'd be the reason why I would go there
Speaker 1: in case another pandemic breaks out. Yeah, I'm on the Knicks.
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about going there and being
Speaker 1: the quarantined in the bubble. We've been talking about this
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. Change comes at different and paces.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a slow trickle over years. Sometimes it comes
Speaker 1: right at us all at once in a hurry, And
Speaker 1: this week in sports it's been the latter. It started
Speaker 1: last Friday, when the commissioner of the NFL, Roger Goodell,
Speaker 1: said the NFL was wrong about stopping players from protesting,
Speaker 1: also said black lives matter. Then this week, NASCAR surprised
Speaker 1: many by announcing the Confederate flag would be prohibited at races.
Speaker 1: Other leagues, teams, players have made statements, joint protests took
Speaker 1: to social media. Sometimes hard to tell what is really
Speaker 1: genuine there, you know what is just in the moment.
Speaker 1: Where are people going to be in six months, a
Speaker 1: year from now. The real evidence of people's intentions will
Speaker 1: come out when we see results, and it seems like
Speaker 1: we're seeing some and as tough as this month has been,
Speaker 1: there are reasons to be hopeful and hopeful that we
Speaker 1: work on this collectively and make people's lives better. I
Speaker 1: guess everything is political, including these state that I'm making,
Speaker 1: but I think that most of us want the same thing.
Speaker 1: We want our country to be better. I know it
Speaker 1: sounds hollow and maybe it sound disingenuous, but it's also
Speaker 1: what we aspire to through it all. You want the
Speaker 1: country to be better. I don't know if Colin Kaepernick
Speaker 1: is going to get a job. I said I didn't
Speaker 1: think he was going to, and I've had that opinion
Speaker 1: for the last four years. I just there's nothing that's
Speaker 1: changed with Colin Kaepernick except for he's gotten older. We
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gotten better. As a football player.
Speaker 1: Feels like that the NFL is a little more tolerant
Speaker 1: with Colin Kaepernick taking a knee and other players. I
Speaker 1: think Patrick Mahomes is the key to all of this,
Speaker 1: And I'll explain when Michael Vick went to prison for
Speaker 1: killing dogs. When he came out, Andy Reid brought him
Speaker 1: into Philadelphia as a backup quarterback. They were protests, but
Speaker 1: they moved past that and Michael Vick proved that he
Speaker 1: could still play. Now. Granted he's younger, three years younger
Speaker 1: than Colin Kaepernick is. Right now, Patrick Mahomes has the
Speaker 1: most secure job in the NFL right now. Right won
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. He's going to get paid forty to
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. He's respected, he's well liked, comes from
Speaker 1: a mixed marriage. His mother is white and father's black.
Speaker 1: Father former baseball player, and he's been speaking up. He's
Speaker 1: been speaking out. I think the Kansas City Chiefs, if
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick goes anywhere, is going to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, the Seattle Seahawks head coach, says an NFL
Speaker 1: team called him about Colin Kaepernick. And here is Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll talking about that I regret that that didn't happen
Speaker 1: In some fession, I wish we would have contributed to it,
Speaker 1: because again deserved to play. I thought at the time,
Speaker 1: I just in our situation as a backup man. I
Speaker 1: didn't feel it was right at that time, so I
Speaker 1: had to make that football decision. It was about our
Speaker 1: team in the situation we had starting quarterback at all
Speaker 1: of that, and it wasn't going to be the open
Speaker 1: competitive situation that I'd like to think all of our
Speaker 1: spots are because Russ was such a dominant figure and
Speaker 1: all that. So anyway, that's what happened, and I wish
Speaker 1: we people would had called me during the time before
Speaker 1: we ever got him in and say, hey, he'd he'd
Speaker 1: be great in your program. He may not be able
Speaker 1: to play the hero or there, but he certainly could
Speaker 1: play for you. I agree with that he could play
Speaker 1: for us. He could have been a fantastic player in
Speaker 1: a program. Unfortunately just didn't work out. And then when
Speaker 1: you look back, I felt like we missed the opportunity.
Speaker 1: And so as I look back at it, I wish
Speaker 1: we could have figured it out and known what we
Speaker 1: know now and give him the chance because I would
Speaker 1: love to see him play football those years. I don't
Speaker 1: know what you know now that you didn't know then, Pete,
Speaker 1: other than he's but three years older, four years older,
Speaker 1: and you have a secure quarterback. I think at the time,
Speaker 1: if you brought in Colin Kaepernick, which I thought Seattle
Speaker 1: was going to sign him. I thought Baltimore, Seattle was
Speaker 1: going to sign him. And I think at the time,
Speaker 1: if you said to Colin Kaepernick, hey, we're going to
Speaker 1: bring you in just so you know, we have an
Speaker 1: established quarterback with Russell Wilson, I mean, you have Gino
Speaker 1: Smith right now. Is Colin Kaepernick better than Gino Smith?
Speaker 1: Probably so? At his best, he certainly is. And Pete says,
Speaker 1: I don't know why we didn't sign him, Like there
Speaker 1: had to be a reason why you didn't sign him.
Speaker 1: Did you feel like, hey, that's not fair to Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: But now you and then you tease us by saying
Speaker 1: somebody called you about Colin Kaepernick, but then you don't
Speaker 1: tell us who called you about Colin Kaepernick. And then
Speaker 1: you say, well, hey, if I know, if I knew
Speaker 1: now what I knew you, then I remember blah blah,
Speaker 1: whatever I should have you know, we should a sign
Speaker 1: where we could bring him in. Whatever. This goes back
Speaker 1: to what I said. You know, hey, everybody wanted to
Speaker 1: draft Russell Wilson, but nobody did through the first three rounds. Hey,
Speaker 1: we thought about bringing in Colin Kaepernick, but we have
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback. Okay, I don't know if somebody's going
Speaker 1: to bring him in. And if they do, and you're
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick, why are you being brought in? Now? We
Speaker 1: feel sorry for you. Now, we feel like we have
Speaker 1: to give you a handout. Kaepernick wants to earn a job.
Speaker 1: Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk said that he was
Speaker 1: reporting Kaepernick is in great shape and more motivated to
Speaker 1: play than ever before. Okay, if he goes into Kansas City,
Speaker 1: he knows he's not starting, but he's back in the league,
Speaker 1: and then people are gonna watch what Colin Kaepernick does,
Speaker 1: and then maybe it's sort of a way station, a
Speaker 1: safe house for him, and then maybe he can get
Speaker 1: a job someplace. Maybe that was what my thought process was,
Speaker 1: that Andy Reid can do no wrong in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is the most important player in the NFL,
Speaker 1: most powerful player in the NFL. If Holmes who got
Speaker 1: hurt last year. If Mahomes said to Andy Reid or
Speaker 1: vice versa, what do you think about bringing in cap
Speaker 1: I'm going to guess that both of those guys would
Speaker 1: probably look at this as in a football situation and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good backup for a guy who got injured
Speaker 1: last year. Now you got Matt Moore, I believe, but
Speaker 1: if you're going to bring him in, he needs to know, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be the starting quarterback, but you're
Speaker 1: on a team. You get to play, and Andy Reid
Speaker 1: will probably take the hit if there is a hit.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's around the league, maybe not so much in
Speaker 1: Kansas City. But if Patrick Mahomes said, now, it might
Speaker 1: not be fair to Matt Moore. But if you're going
Speaker 1: to bring in Colin Kaepernick, I thought that might be
Speaker 1: the place I thought Baltimore would be. But then I
Speaker 1: don't know how delicate it is if you bring in
Speaker 1: Kaepernick and then you're releasing a black quarterback in Robert
Speaker 1: Griffin Junior the third I don't know if you know
Speaker 1: this sensitivity was something like that. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I thought Seattle was going to I thought Baltimore was
Speaker 1: going to And the more I think about it, Kansas
Speaker 1: City to me makes the most sense. Yeah, Paul, staying
Speaker 1: with Kansas City. You've said that you don't think callin
Speaker 1: Kabernick should or will take a backup job in the NFL.
Speaker 1: But if you're Kavernick and you think to yourself, if
Speaker 1: I sign with the Chiefs, there's a solid chance that
Speaker 1: I'm standing on the sidelines during the national anthem of
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl next year, or playing on a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl team, the biggest stage in all of sports, A
Speaker 1: two week media blitz around you, even though you're the backup,
Speaker 1: two weeks where the Chiefs. The Chiefs are the favorites
Speaker 1: next year. Right, Yeah, think about that. If you're thinking
Speaker 1: about both football and spreading your message, what better team. Well,
Speaker 1: this is what I was told by a TV executive yesterday,
Speaker 1: and he said, teams are gonna want to know what
Speaker 1: the most what's more important to you, social cause or football?
Speaker 1: Because if it's football, then you got to show us
Speaker 1: that football is more important. Social activism is one thing.
Speaker 1: And this was going to make teams a little concern
Speaker 1: I don't want to say nervous, but they would be
Speaker 1: concerned about this. Because are you here because of a cause?
Speaker 1: Are you here because you want to play football? If
Speaker 1: Mike Florio is right that Kaepernick is more motivated than ever,
Speaker 1: then you want to see that motivation being able to play.
Speaker 1: And I just think getting back into that routine, even
Speaker 1: if you're going to be a backup quarterback to Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Could he compete for other jobs around the league, Yes,
Speaker 1: but owners want to see what he will be like,
Speaker 1: how he handles himself. And we might get to the point,
Speaker 1: this is three months from now, with all the social
Speaker 1: activism and protesting, do we get to the point where
Speaker 1: because Colin Kaepernick took a knee because he wanted to
Speaker 1: shed a light on this. The light has been shed
Speaker 1: on this many lights. It's really bright right now. Do
Speaker 1: you need to then kneel during the anthem to bring
Speaker 1: light bring this to light. You've already done that, You
Speaker 1: might say, Okay, mission accomplished. When it comes to a
Speaker 1: football game and an anthem, we're not going to We're
Speaker 1: not going to kneel. We don't need to. We're going
Speaker 1: to do other things. And that's what I'm curious about.
Speaker 1: In three months from now, that's a long long time
Speaker 1: We're three months into this pandemic, and look at where
Speaker 1: we are right now to where we were three months ago.
Speaker 1: Where are we going to be as a society in
Speaker 1: three months? Where will we be football wise? And we
Speaker 1: might get to a point where and I don't want
Speaker 1: to speak for the African American players, I'm just looking
Speaker 1: at this thinking, you've shed a light on this, which
Speaker 1: is what Kaepernick wanted, Eric Reid wanted, Malcolm Jenkins wanted.
Speaker 1: So what is the next step? And that's what I'm
Speaker 1: curious about when it comes to this, because it could
Speaker 1: open the door for Kaepernick to get a legitimate chance,
Speaker 1: because Kaepernick could say we're doing this now, we're moving
Speaker 1: forward with this, we have mission accomplished with what we
Speaker 1: wanted to do back in twenty sixteen. And I think
Speaker 1: that the next stage is what's important for these players,
Speaker 1: and leading the charge is Patrick Mahomes. We'll take a break.
Speaker 1: Doug Williams certainly went through his fair share of racism,
Speaker 1: and he'll tell you some of those stories. Known Doug
Speaker 1: a long time, and the highs and lows of coming
Speaker 1: out of Grambling being a first round pick. Then you
Speaker 1: go to the woeful Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and in two
Speaker 1: years they're on the verge of going to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: They go to the NFC Title Game. Remember they had
Speaker 1: Ricky Bell, the Selman Brothers. They had a good team,
Speaker 1: good team and got to the NFC Title Game. And
Speaker 1: then after that he wanted more money and I went
Speaker 1: to the USFL, got back into the NFL and had
Speaker 1: one of the great performance in Super Bowl history super
Speaker 1: Bowl twenty two. And now they're making a movie on
Speaker 1: his life. Should be good. Radio. Coming up, Doug Williams
Speaker 1: will join us. We'll take a break here coming up
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Speaker 1: I always loved spending some time with Doug Williams, the
Speaker 1: Redskins senior vice president player development. First round pick by
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers back in nineteen seventy eight, got
Speaker 1: a biopick based on his life coming out Doug Jones
Speaker 1: us on the program. Wow, that's quite a tiger you
Speaker 1: have behind us. You're grambling tiger behind us, Doug. That's menacing.
Speaker 1: Oh do you have your mute button on? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: got to run this stuff. Man, everything is I thought
Speaker 1: you were on a silent count of the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage there and you weren't saying anything. No, it's in
Speaker 1: the stadium. Take me back. I know that you have
Speaker 1: a book and autobiography called quarter Black. Um, why do
Speaker 1: you respond or why did you title it the quarter Black? Well,
Speaker 1: you know because every way I went when I came
Speaker 1: out Danny Hugh Greem member and going to Tampa every
Speaker 1: article that was written it was never Doug Williams the
Speaker 1: quarterback of the Buccaneers. It was either Tampa Bay's black
Speaker 1: quarterback or either Doug Williams Tampa Bay's black quarterback. And
Speaker 1: if you read early in the book, I always say
Speaker 1: the anyone who tied at a quarter black. So that
Speaker 1: was a good name for the book at And I remember,
Speaker 1: didn't somebody ask you how long you've been a black quarterback?
Speaker 1: When you were at the super Bowl. That was the
Speaker 1: one of media days named Bush Jones blessed his soul.
Speaker 1: He's going on to heaven. Now. I knew Butch because
Speaker 1: he worked in Jackson, Misissippi with the paper. But I
Speaker 1: and I looked at that from a standpoint. You got
Speaker 1: a guy he was nervous. He wanted to get his
Speaker 1: questions out because so many people was a round. I
Speaker 1: don't think he meanted the way it came out. And
Speaker 1: he just want to know how long I've been in
Speaker 1: a black quarterback. My answer to him was since I
Speaker 1: left Bramlin, because when I was at Grammar, I wasn't
Speaker 1: a black carterback. I wonder if the Buccaneers didn't draft
Speaker 1: you in the first round. I wonder if you would
Speaker 1: have been drafted in the first round. Do you think
Speaker 1: you still would have been taken in the first round?
Speaker 1: Do I really do it was either two teams. I
Speaker 1: think that was a great possibility. And let me say
Speaker 1: it before I get that June Jones. I think we
Speaker 1: all know who June Jones are. Yeah. June Jones was
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback for the Atlanta Facons behind Steve Bakowski,
Speaker 1: and we played the Atlanta Falcons Tampa and the Falcons
Speaker 1: played and after the game June Jones walked up to
Speaker 1: me and he said, man, it's a shame. He said, cousin,
Speaker 1: actually you should have been the number one pick in
Speaker 1: the whole draft. And you know that's that's the hear
Speaker 1: of that. But I think Tampa was smart enough to
Speaker 1: know that black quarterback coming out in nineteen seventy eight,
Speaker 1: they could trade and get some most draft picks and everything,
Speaker 1: and I probably would still be there at number seventeen,
Speaker 1: and they made that move. So that's what happened. But
Speaker 1: I do believe two other teams and and and just
Speaker 1: just the from conversation with these teams during that time,
Speaker 1: and that was either the Dallas Cowboy GiB bran and
Speaker 1: and John Wooden talked to them a lot at that
Speaker 1: particular time. And the other one was Barkstar at Greenback. Oh,
Speaker 1: that would have been interesting. But Greenbay had two draft
Speaker 1: picks that year. They picked Jane Lofton and I don't
Speaker 1: know who they picked down. Uh. I think they was
Speaker 1: picking twenty six early on and then number twenty six,
Speaker 1: So I could have even have been the late pick
Speaker 1: for the Green Bay Packers. How did you keep the
Speaker 1: US inside what you you know you were experiencing racism
Speaker 1: at the time, but I don't know to what degree
Speaker 1: well for me to be able to handle it and
Speaker 1: even to today, uh Dan, you know, I think I
Speaker 1: handled it with the handle with a lot of grace
Speaker 1: because number why, I grew up in uh South Louisiana,
Speaker 1: and I understood what racism was way back when. You know,
Speaker 1: born in nineteen fifty five, so I was in you know,
Speaker 1: young boy doing the civil rights time. So when you
Speaker 1: set around, you hear your grandmother and your granddaddy, your mom,
Speaker 1: your dad talk about what's going on. You know, I
Speaker 1: knew every Friday night from cross road across or where
Speaker 1: I lived, that was a crossing the cross road down
Speaker 1: to my right was by the mile, and down to
Speaker 1: my left was by the mile, and in between that
Speaker 1: it was all black family. So every Friday night that
Speaker 1: was a cross burning at those those intersections, and you know,
Speaker 1: all the men's in the neighborhood when the cross go up,
Speaker 1: we'll get in their cars and trucks, you know, with
Speaker 1: their guns and stuff to try to find out who
Speaker 1: was burning across. You know, one of those scare tacts
Speaker 1: back in the day as to stay in your plays.
Speaker 1: And I remember going on the way to Baton Rouge
Speaker 1: A small town actually, Zacher, i'man Zacher, small town baker.
Speaker 1: I remember stopping at the red light one time. A
Speaker 1: little boy in the back of the car with my
Speaker 1: dad and actual guy with the hood came up to
Speaker 1: give us a pamphlet or the Kookler's claim. I mean
Speaker 1: that's how Fredly was back in the day. So you
Speaker 1: understood what you was up against back in those days. Wait,
Speaker 1: remember the KKK gave you a pamphlet and your dad
Speaker 1: a pamphlet. My dad didn't take it. I mean he
Speaker 1: walked to the car at the red light. It was
Speaker 1: kind of like when you you go places and you
Speaker 1: see people who kind of a homeless accent some money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they was walking around passing out pamplets and everybody who
Speaker 1: stopped at the red light. I guess recruiting for the
Speaker 1: Kokla claims. How'd your dad explain why they're burning across
Speaker 1: and why these these men are wearing sheets over their heads?
Speaker 1: Were The most important thing for us was you know,
Speaker 1: boys three girls was always being the right plays at
Speaker 1: the right time. Don't get caught in situations that something
Speaker 1: cruel can happen to you. You know, my dad and
Speaker 1: m always talked about some of the things that happened,
Speaker 1: you know, you talk about people getting you know, murdered
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Nobody ever find out what happened
Speaker 1: to him, you know, things like that. He just it
Speaker 1: was almost a scare tactic back in the day, as
Speaker 1: don't do this. And I remember when LSU and Old
Speaker 1: Miss played. You know, the highway that I live off
Speaker 1: was like a main strip from Mississippi all the way
Speaker 1: to Baton Rouge. We called it. I lived off plank
Speaker 1: Road Highway sixty seven. And when they played each other,
Speaker 1: when when Old Miss had to come to Batton Rouge,
Speaker 1: we was not allowed to be on the streets at
Speaker 1: that particular time because crazy stuff, having people flow stuff
Speaker 1: out there wondering. I did one day going from my
Speaker 1: house to my grandmother's house, who lived about half a
Speaker 1: mile down, and walking on the neutral ground, got hit
Speaker 1: in the face. He's with a chocolate malt, you know,
Speaker 1: just so having had to be chocolate, so a taste
Speaker 1: pretty good. He's Doug Williams, the Redskins senior vice president
Speaker 1: of player Development, a former Super Bowl MVP. You know,
Speaker 1: I thought of Super Bowl twenty two Timmy Smith. You're
Speaker 1: running back. He was number twenty? Was he? What was
Speaker 1: his number? Him is thirty six? Thirty six? Tony Lily
Speaker 1: was twenty two? Wasn't he was twenty two? Tony Lily
Speaker 1: was the defensive back of the Broncos. I felt bad
Speaker 1: you were picking on Tony Lily in Super Bowl twenty
Speaker 1: You were picking on twenty two in Super Bowl twenty two.
Speaker 1: Doug him, he was just having to be in the
Speaker 1: wrong play. Oh, Tony got Tony got burned. I remember
Speaker 1: the Ricky Grant TV on the play acts on a
Speaker 1: six account of play action. You know, we ran the
Speaker 1: six accounts so way out all the time, and he
Speaker 1: came up and been on the run, and it was
Speaker 1: almost like it was almost like when Rent when when
Speaker 1: Ricky went behind him. I to see him turn around
Speaker 1: and saying, damn, I think he's a high school coach
Speaker 1: now in this area. He's a high school coach in
Speaker 1: the Virginia area. I saw him about about three years ago.
Speaker 1: Him and not talking about three years. You should just
Speaker 1: show up in your Redskins jersey and with a football
Speaker 1: there and see his reaction there. I wouldn't do that
Speaker 1: him about talking about it he laughing about it today,
Speaker 1: and I think we all got a good laugh at it.
Speaker 1: And now you know, it was more overt. You were
Speaker 1: mentioning the racism that you face. But then you get
Speaker 1: into the NFL where it's a little more covert. It
Speaker 1: feels like, what was that like the difference of growing
Speaker 1: up and then you go to the NFL where you think,
Speaker 1: I'm a first round draft pick, I'm successful, we are
Speaker 1: almost going to the super Bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
Speaker 1: the worst team in football two years earlier. And then
Speaker 1: what happens, Well, you know the thing about it that's
Speaker 1: old cliche. You can't go no further south than Florida,
Speaker 1: And I was. I was at of Florida, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know when I first got there, my first year
Speaker 1: was good. But at the same time, you know, we
Speaker 1: ended up five and seven, my my five and and
Speaker 1: leven my my rookie year. I got my job broke
Speaker 1: and all that. And Ricky Bell, bless his soul, consoled
Speaker 1: me probably every week when things weren't going well and
Speaker 1: people was born. Ricky Bell was the one to put
Speaker 1: his arms around me and say, hey, I've had to
Speaker 1: go through it, man, it's tough, but just just keep
Speaker 1: going forward. And the second year was was great, Dan,
Speaker 1: you know, because we was winning. We won the first
Speaker 1: five games out the box and had to we lost
Speaker 1: three in a row down the stretch and had to
Speaker 1: win the last game of the year and order getting
Speaker 1: the playoffs. And we did that three nothing against the
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chief and it was almost that old cliche
Speaker 1: from worst to first. So that was great. But the
Speaker 1: next couple of years, you know, the fans was a
Speaker 1: little different. I can remember walking to the sideline and
Speaker 1: that was a late in the stands. I see it
Speaker 1: now with some replays later in staying had a little
Speaker 1: black dog like it was on a rope, just dating.
Speaker 1: I guess they let's hang him. You know, Oh, no,
Speaker 1: got fan mail. You know, you get fan mail with
Speaker 1: no return the address. You open it up and you
Speaker 1: just throw in the trash team. But the one that
Speaker 1: really got me was I had a nice box and
Speaker 1: I you know, it's amazing how much time it took
Speaker 1: to wrap this box. And when I opened that box,
Speaker 1: it was a rotting watermelon in there in a note.
Speaker 1: Let's say throw it to these end they can catch this.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was truly amazing to take that much
Speaker 1: time to put a rotten watermelon, then to write a
Speaker 1: rotten note. But you almost taking this team to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl, and then these fans turned on you that quickly.
Speaker 1: Where then you know, we all got to be real.
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy eight, it wasn't so much about U turn
Speaker 1: on its I did. You got a black quarterback. You
Speaker 1: got a black quarterback, and you know, it was almost
Speaker 1: unheard of. It wasn't used to No matter what you did,
Speaker 1: it wasn't good enough. And that's just the way it was.
Speaker 1: And I understood that. You know. Coach Rob used to
Speaker 1: always tell him, hell, you just got to go out
Speaker 1: and out play him, you know, and and and nothing
Speaker 1: they could do about it. If you can play at
Speaker 1: Graham and you can play anywhere. And that's the attitude
Speaker 1: we took. And I had my old brother to come
Speaker 1: fi in and James Harris, who I called all the time.
Speaker 1: But the good thing I had John McCay. I had
Speaker 1: John McCay. Here's a guy that the nineteen sixty five
Speaker 1: and in the middle of the Civil rights movement, Jimmy
Speaker 1: Jones was his quarterback. I think it. Lets you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't about color with John McKay with his quarterback,
Speaker 1: and he felt like he always told me, he said, Doug,
Speaker 1: ain't no doubt about it. He say, you know, the
Speaker 1: best athlete gonna play for me and the best player,
Speaker 1: he says, so you don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 1: And you know always what's fund of what coach McKay said.
Speaker 1: And he was so I don't want to say ahead
Speaker 1: of his time. I mean he was, but everybody should
Speaker 1: have been ahead of their time or it should have
Speaker 1: been what was real in the moment. But here's a
Speaker 1: guy who you guys. He takes a USC team to
Speaker 1: Alabama and all of a sudden Bear Bryant sees these
Speaker 1: great athletes there, and all of a sudden says, I
Speaker 1: I gotta get me some of those great athletes there.
Speaker 1: And it was thinking about coach McCain. You know, he was.
Speaker 1: He was passionate about his players, and he didn't care
Speaker 1: what color they were. At one point before I got there,
Speaker 1: I can remember they told me that he was going
Speaker 1: up in the stand at a fan for for somebody
Speaker 1: to yell him take them ends back to the California,
Speaker 1: you know, because he had a bunch of guys from
Speaker 1: California off the USC team and right for the Soul.
Speaker 1: They were winning, So you you want guys who can win.
Speaker 1: But coach McKay protected his players no matter what color
Speaker 1: they were, and I thought that was the plug. Wasn't
Speaker 1: there a time when you were starting in the NFL?
Speaker 1: I don't know if this was Tampa, maybe it was Washington,
Speaker 1: but you were the at least fiftieth highest paid quarterback
Speaker 1: in the NFL at the time. Does that sound about right?
Speaker 1: I was in Tampa, I was number fifty four and
Speaker 1: you were starting. I was a fifth to fourth. It
Speaker 1: was only when any team that if I do the
Speaker 1: math there, and I come to find out that the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback, Mike Ray, who had played at a see
Speaker 1: Mike Ray was making more money to me and he
Speaker 1: was my backup. Oh no, how do you not get angry?
Speaker 1: Or did you? Well? You know what, that's a good
Speaker 1: course to not that I didn't get angry, but you
Speaker 1: know what, what what? What could I have done back then?
Speaker 1: And you and I both know back then, if you
Speaker 1: got cut and somebody get on the telephone and tell you,
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't take this guy, and you know
Speaker 1: he's this and he's that you was gone. Wasn't no
Speaker 1: salary capiflication wasn't nothing. You know, you just got to leave.
Speaker 1: You you were getting another opportunity. So to me, it
Speaker 1: was all about being humble and deal with it for
Speaker 1: what you had to deal with. You know, I played
Speaker 1: played all my life for nothing in college and high
Speaker 1: school and enjoy the game or nine of business. But
Speaker 1: at the same time you was getting paid. It might
Speaker 1: have been fairly after the five years was love When
Speaker 1: it was time to negotiate, I think I thought I
Speaker 1: looked at it from a different perspective. Then I just
Speaker 1: brought up a couple of minutes ago prior to you
Speaker 1: joining us, that I think Kaepernick and the best landing
Speaker 1: spot would be Kansas City. Andy Reid just won a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He brought in Michael Vick after he went
Speaker 1: to prison. You got the most secure position in football
Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes, and you could bring him in as
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback just to get him back in the
Speaker 1: game and then maybe he gets a fair shot with
Speaker 1: somebody after that, a real contract, a real offer. What
Speaker 1: do you think about that? Well, I think you know,
Speaker 1: when you talk about Andy Reid, number one, you're talking
Speaker 1: about an a number one individual. You know, I had
Speaker 1: an opportunity to talk to Andy Reid right out that
Speaker 1: he brought Michael big Back. And what I asked him was, Coach,
Speaker 1: give me one reason why you bring Michael big big Back.
Speaker 1: And he told me he was as real as real
Speaker 1: can get. You know, he had two sons and they
Speaker 1: had gotten in a little trouble. He said, hey, my
Speaker 1: son got in trouble. He said, everybody deserved a second chance.
Speaker 1: And then, you know what, that was good enough for me.
Speaker 1: And I think if anybody could could was dumb it
Speaker 1: that and Hannah Kaepernick and and and mentor him and
Speaker 1: understand where he's coming from, it would be in the red.
Speaker 1: If you didn't go to the USFL, then you go
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma. I believe I wonder right like how important
Speaker 1: that was for you to get back into the NFL.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, then it wasn't okay. I
Speaker 1: did not play one single down to football in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty three, and I always looked at it from this standpoint.
Speaker 1: You know, when I went to Granma State University was
Speaker 1: not to play professional football. I went there to get
Speaker 1: a degree and helped him vis education to be a coach.
Speaker 1: My oldest brother was my first coach. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be like my oldest brother. And in nineteen eighty three,
Speaker 1: when went through the contract to situation with the Buccaneers,
Speaker 1: I spent the whole year at Northwestern Middle School and Zachary,
Speaker 1: where my brother was the principal, as a substitute teacher.
Speaker 1: So and you know, and then I had a you know,
Speaker 1: baby girl at that particular time. So football wasn't that
Speaker 1: important to me in nineteen eighty three because I just
Speaker 1: lost my wife. And in eighty three was you realize
Speaker 1: in life that football might not be as important as life.
Speaker 1: And the most important thing is you being happy doing
Speaker 1: what you want to do. Who's gonna play you in
Speaker 1: the movie That's a good course? Now, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know my kids. I was on a zoom call
Speaker 1: with him last night and all they was talking about
Speaker 1: getting there that telormade suits red in the black dress
Speaker 1: to walk the red carpeted. I got a son who's
Speaker 1: actually the quarter to control coach in the quarterback room
Speaker 1: down in New Orleans, and he saved her dad. I
Speaker 1: could clear a young Williams, all right? Can he throw
Speaker 1: like you? I tell you what. He had a good arm.
Speaker 1: He's tall, and he's skinner though he's about six more.
Speaker 1: He played for me and Grammar and we did win
Speaker 1: a conference championship with him, so um. But he's been
Speaker 1: down there with Sean Payton and the last three years,
Speaker 1: so he's doing pretty good. Did the Redskins consider Colin
Speaker 1: Kaepernick since you worked with him? Has that conversation? Has
Speaker 1: that ever come It didn't never come up? Then, I
Speaker 1: think what happened here? You know, we were in a heavily,
Speaker 1: heavily military era and I think the guy that sits
Speaker 1: on Pennsylvania Avenue sixteen Pennsylvania Avenue and made such a
Speaker 1: big stink of the fans in this area might have
Speaker 1: been a tough situation for both the team and him.
Speaker 1: And sometimes you don't want to bring people in a
Speaker 1: situation where nobody's gonna be happy. And I think that's
Speaker 1: that's probably what happened, right, He didn't come up during
Speaker 1: that time. Great to talk to you. It's always I
Speaker 1: wish you luck with the movie. Hope you find somebody
Speaker 1: handsome who can throw a nice spiral to play you
Speaker 1: in the movie. And the book is quarter Black. It's
Speaker 1: Doug Williams, the former Super Bowl Hero. Great to talk
Speaker 1: to you again, Doug. Thanks, they appreciate it. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: take a break. We'll come back after this and The
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Speaker 1: It's your desk looks like you know when you go
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Speaker 1: whole thing is gonna fall. You see those videos when
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Speaker 1: every morning before you enter. I walk slowly around, I
Speaker 1: make no physical contact with your desk, and I drop
Speaker 1: a pile of papers for you to read. I haven't
Speaker 1: touched your desk in the eight years because I'm so
Speaker 1: afraid that the whole thing's gonna collapse. Well, we do
Speaker 1: have a lot here, and it's kind of encroaching on
Speaker 1: my actual job because I collect everything here. Let's clean
Speaker 1: it up. No, I can't. What do you mean can't?
Speaker 1: I just can't get rid of anything. I can't. You
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Speaker 1: don't have to necessary display everything. You can hold on
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Speaker 1: it all has a purpose here, Yes, because Todd is
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Speaker 1: shoved everything back in my briefcase, you would think that, like,
Speaker 1: that's something that happened to me, and there's nobody there
Speaker 1: is perfectly clean. Maybe a piece of salary, a piece
Speaker 1: of my tuna sandwich from lunch, that's about it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't. I do. I have a lot of stuff
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Speaker 1: what do you have for me today? Good morning, Dan,
Speaker 1: Thanks for taking my call. Sure, I was just wanting
Speaker 1: to comment on some of the things you were talking
Speaker 1: about with the Colin Kaepernick situation and where my be
Speaker 1: a great landing spot for him. I agree with everything
Speaker 1: you said, but I think an even better spot for
Speaker 1: him would be the Baltimore Ravens for all the reasons
Speaker 1: that you mentioned that Andy Reid and that team with
Speaker 1: a very secure quarterback position. All that makes sense, but
Speaker 1: the Ravens also have Greg Roman and almost the exact
Speaker 1: same offense. Ye said he was running in San Francisco
Speaker 1: with I mean, Frank Or is mark ingram and possession
Speaker 1: receivers all over the place. And for whatever reason, Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: who they're not gonna bench for Colin Kaepernick, whatever reason,
Speaker 1: he goes down, and you got a guy that you
Speaker 1: could plug in. That makes all the sense in the
Speaker 1: world to me. The only thing that I was thinking
Speaker 1: of that could have been a problem is the failure
Speaker 1: to get it done a couple of years ago, which
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick's girlfriend Chiman and saying the things that she
Speaker 1: said about the Ravens. But at a certain point, you
Speaker 1: gotta make smart football decisions, and that just seems like
Speaker 1: the smartest to me. Yeah, that's been brought up before, Sean.
Speaker 1: And those are the two teams that I thought. I
Speaker 1: thought Seattle to begin with an end it was Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Now that the Chiefs have won the Super Bowl. You
Speaker 1: have Andy Reid there, he's secure in his job, and
Speaker 1: you've got Patrick Mahomes. He's got the most secure job
Speaker 1: in all the football and he has been not outspoken,
Speaker 1: He's just speaking up. And I think that that could
Speaker 1: be a soft landing space for Colin Kaepernick. I don't
Speaker 1: know why Seattle didn't bring him in because Pete Carroll
Speaker 1: brought it up that they talked about it, but he
Speaker 1: said it was a different time, and maybe he gets
Speaker 1: a chance. Maybe he just comes in and understands we'll
Speaker 1: be a backup quarterback for a year, so people can
Speaker 1: see how I handled this, what are my actions, And
Speaker 1: then maybe he gets a legitimate chance. Judd Apptel The Great, writer, director,
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