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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: All right, here we are on a Tuesday Pristagram. Chief

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Speaker 2: asked me with you One Bill's Lives program of Choyce,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us today afternoon, Steve and I were

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Speaker 2: talking about it on the way upstairs to get a coffee.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to say, we're three quarters of the way

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Speaker 2: through winter, and Steve said, no, we're only two thirds.

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Speaker 2: I think we got another Forgive me for trying to

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Speaker 2: push it and fast.

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Speaker 1: Forward Dunkirk Dave said yesterday it's six weeks more.

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Speaker 2: Way to work him in Steve.

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Speaker 1: We did somebody. They were bitter about it. Punks, a

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Speaker 1: tawny Phil, they're all all the Groundhog says, you know,

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Speaker 1: the six weeks except for the one in what is it,

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Speaker 1: Staten Island. Yeah, but he's in a zoo. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he counts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he counts either.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I think his vote is tainted Staten Island, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah, I got out of Tom was one

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Speaker 1: of our co workers here. Tom was getting out of

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Speaker 1: his car the same time I was this morning. I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm far from a complainer, but I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of done with winter right about now.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday it was pretty warm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was thirty three, forty three.

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Speaker 2: And rain all right in the afternoon. All right, so

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Speaker 2: I tell my wife, Yeah, get the car out of

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Speaker 2: the garage. It's time because my garage floor, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: is if a mess but black mud and water and everything.

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Speaker 2: So when it gets up to like forty, I'll pull

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Speaker 2: out the hose and just hose it out, push broom it.

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Speaker 2: And it was disgusting. Yeah, amount of stuff I was

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing that yet.

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Speaker 2: I can't do it that. I just don't want to

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Speaker 2: be trapsing through it out of my car.

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Speaker 1: You're trying to get really bad. Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I wish I had like a drainage system.

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Speaker 1: It is. It's amazing how low our bar drops for

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Speaker 1: acceptable weather at this time of year.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was driving around this morning. I was like,

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Speaker 2: thirty that's that bad, right.

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Speaker 1: It was twenty six at my place, twenty six and

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Speaker 1: the sun was out. I was like, wow, it's nice.

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Speaker 1: It's like, what am I talking about? It was twenty six.

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Speaker 1: The ground's crunching, you know. I'm like, yeah, I'm so

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Speaker 1: far gone. It's all right though, Uh the sun I

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Speaker 1: say this and I always have and everybody knows this.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they don't feel this way, but I do. Sunshine

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Speaker 1: makes everything better. Absolutely. I got about fifteen twenty minutes

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Speaker 1: of it. This morning. There was a there was a

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Speaker 1: wild fox in my backyard running around, hunting around.

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Speaker 2: Just thought they were nocturnal.

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Speaker 1: Hey, no, not at this time of year.

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: Okay, they might be, but we have had we have

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Speaker 1: a couple of them that run around our back We

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Speaker 1: vern's too short to see out the window, so you

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Speaker 1: so they the fox can come in. They don't get

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Speaker 2: So they pay below the radar, which is the window.

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Speaker 1: So he was out there big and there they're big,

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Speaker 2: So they're eating good in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in fact, you can want. They hunt out in

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Speaker 2: Get the field mice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and they they're successful there. So yeah, that

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we get the occasional sunshine makes everything thing through.

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Speaker 1: But there you're in a neighborhood though, Yes, but.

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Speaker 2: We still get plenty We got plenty of deer. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: And then rabbits are abundant in my place too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah so and then yeah, I I remember seeing

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Speaker 2: This guy comes ripping across the front yard. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: that was a fox, Like the tail makes it unmistakable

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Speaker 1: The deer fox. The deer. Yes, the deer are ever present.

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Speaker 1: We had two of them on We have a side

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Speaker 1: So the deer are on that and so that's a

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Speaker 1: they do like I. Vern has free rein on the deer.

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Speaker 2: He can, go nip at their ankles if he wants.

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Speaker 1: Well, so you can see what happens. So they snuck

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Speaker 1: Vern is a twenty pound French bulldog. Yeah you mean,

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Speaker 1: The deer, however, were startled, and actually one of them

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Speaker 2: So Verne must have been very proud of himself.

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Speaker 1: I have a thing for deer. I do not like now.

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Speaker 2: I saw this before. This will be the last bit

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a thing.

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Speaker 2: I have never seen that before in my life until

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Speaker 2: Sunday I watched it. It was the funniest damn thing.

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Speaker 2: They pass out, like keel over, like a what block? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've never seen that before. Ye.

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Speaker 1: That's it's fantastic. It's kind of fantastic, that's right. So

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Speaker 1: I never knew that. I did know that. I didn't

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Speaker 2: Well, now people are just messing around with goats. I

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Speaker 1: I think that was like specific to the goats that

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Speaker 2: I think it is all goats, which is I got it.

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Speaker 2: That's like it's like the twenty first century version of

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Speaker 2: cow tipping, you know what I mean? Did you ever

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Speaker 1: it was a thing, though, I'll be honest.

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Speaker 2: Because they sleep standing up?

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Speaker 1: Is that what they do. They do. Sometimes they lay

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Speaker 2: That good Thing's hilarious. Three times in a row. I

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Speaker 2: And then I looked it up and did some research.

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Speaker 2: a digression. We should get to the business at hand here,

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Speaker 2: which involves going around the NFL because there is some

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Speaker 2: news to report, not only on the coaching front, but

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Speaker 2: obviously you got media coverage at the Super Bowl because

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Speaker 2: everybody's on hand down there in New Orleans now. And

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Speaker 2: the biggest news probably it broke late yesterday and that's

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Speaker 2: the wide receiver Cooper Cup has been informed by the

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Speaker 2: Rams that the team is going to seek to trade

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Speaker 2: him immediately. He put out on his own social media

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Speaker 2: He does have a bonus due in March, and some

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Speaker 2: on your cap for Cup, that would make him a

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Speaker 2: far more attractive commodity, because I think twenty is a

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Speaker 2: a twenty million dollar a year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, because they've got obviously, you know, Pukainakua

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Speaker 1: And you know you can't pay your number two guy

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Speaker 2: There are a few exceptions to that rule around the league.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna see if the Cincinnati Bengals can figure it out.

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Speaker 1: That's well. Yeah, and they have hit on a number

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Speaker 1: telltale sign. But for the time being, going forward, man,

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Speaker 1: that Eagles seemed to be in a really good spot.

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Speaker 1: A lot of young players who are really contributing, particularly

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Speaker 2: Cups guaranteed salary next season only five million. He has

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Speaker 2: in twenty six. So if the Rams trade Cup in

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Speaker 1: of my last game because of officiating and so I'm

435
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Speaker 1: as bad as anybody. I mean, this is me me.

436
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Speaker 1: I'm the pot calling the kettle black here. So I

437
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: know how tough it is to get it right. And

438
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: they're in a tough they're in a no win. Either

439
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 1: you got to call it and be right or everything

440
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: else is wrong. If you don't call it, you're wrong.

441
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: If you call it wrong, you're right and wrong if

442
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Speaker 1: you know the whole thing. So I think Goodell is right.

443
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Speaker 1: They do hold those guys account those officials accountable. The

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Speaker 1: guys I have spoken to in that realm. I've told

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Speaker 1: you one hundred times. It's it's fascinating to listen to

446
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 1: how they view the game, and it's to me, it's

447
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: reassuring that they're really trying to get it right now.

448
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: And I hear all the stuff about the Chiefs, and

449
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Speaker 1: there's no question that the Bills were on the wrong

450
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Speaker 1: end of a couple of wrong calls. I'll just call

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Speaker 1: them wrong. The third down to Kincaid, the fourth down

452
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Speaker 1: to Josh, the catch by Worthy, all three of those

453
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Speaker 1: were wrong and the Bills were on the wrong end

454
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Speaker 1: of it. But that doesn't preclude the fact that those

455
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Speaker 1: guys are out there working really hard to try and

456
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Speaker 1: get it right, and it's and when the games are

457
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: this close, it shines a bright light on the wrong

458
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Speaker 1: ones and it and it's just it's unfortunate for those guys.

459
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Speaker 1: It's the way it is. But that's that's what they

460
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Speaker 1: sign up for. It's part of what it is. And

461
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: the league is going to continue to be very, very

462
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: competitive because of things like that. So I agree with

463
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Speaker 1: what he's the commissioner said about the officiating in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey has no intentions of retiring win or lose

465
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Speaker 2: on Sunday, the thirty five year old Chief Star tight

466
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Speaker 2: end said Monday during his Super Bowl press conference, says

467
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Speaker 2: he has no designs on walking away from football. He

468
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: admitted he's considered riding off into the sunset, but the

469
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Speaker 2: thrill of another Super Bowl run proved to him he

470
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Speaker 2: still has the desire to keep going. He said, quote,

471
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Speaker 2: I've thought about it, but I still love what I do.

472
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: It's moments like these, weeks like these, the month that

473
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Speaker 2: we just had in the playoffs make me feel like

474
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: I could play this game forever. I think I still

475
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Speaker 2: have a lot of football left in me. I think

476
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: this year has been one of the most special years

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Speaker 2: of my life. I think it's going to continue to

478
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Speaker 2: make me want to do more in the football world.

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Speaker 2: Thirty five. You're pushing it, especially at a skill position.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he still plays at a high level, though.

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Speaker 2: Career low is in the regular season this past year.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I'll say this too, I that doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 1: I think when you get to the point and I

484
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Speaker 1: can kind of relate a little bit to this because

485
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: of the team that I was on. We were going

486
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Speaker 1: back to the Super Bowl every year, just like the

487
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Speaker 1: Chiefs are. Although we lost that game, we were still

488
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Speaker 1: making the run every year to get back in it.

489
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Speaker 1: You get to a lot of game You get more

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Speaker 1: and more games in your regular season, like you're the

491
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Speaker 1: Chiefs and like that Bills team in the nineties that

492
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Speaker 1: were you know, went to five out of seven AFC

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Speaker 1: Championship games. These guys are in there. We're in their

494
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Speaker 1: seventh in a row. You get a ton of games

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Speaker 1: in the regular season that you're just like, this game

496
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Speaker 1: is completely meaningless. I mean this, we've got a margin

497
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: of error here that goes is three games deep. You know,

498
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Speaker 1: that's where the Chiefs were for a minute here, And

499
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Speaker 1: so he doesn't need to have the kind of games

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Speaker 1: he had in the playoffs during the regular season when

501
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: he's got Pat Mahomes and the defense and all and

502
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Speaker 1: the whole thing going on. So I'm I get where

503
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: he's saying what he's saying and how why his numbers

504
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: were low in the regular season, because we use the

505
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: term all the time. It's like they're playing with their

506
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: food some of these Sometimes these guys play. So I'm

507
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: so when you do get back to the point where

508
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Speaker 1: they matter and it feels great like it does like

509
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Speaker 1: when you were coming up, like when you hadn't been

510
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Speaker 1: to an ABC championship game yet and Pat Mahomes comes in,

511
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, let's go. It feels like that again.

512
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Speaker 1: I'll say I'll say this when your team doesn't get

513
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Speaker 1: back there and it's over fast, because it's soul crushing

514
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: when your team is not that team anymore.

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Speaker 2: There is a bit of Bill's news here, courtesy of

516
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Speaker 2: ESPN's Jeremy Fowler. He's reporting that former Packers defensive line

517
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: coach Jason Rebrevich is joining the Bills staff as assistant

518
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: defensive line coach. He actually was here previously. He coached

519
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: under Doug Moron and Rex Ryan from twenty thirteen to

520
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen as a defensive assistant. So that's courtesy of

521
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Speaker 2: ESPN's Jeremy Fowler. Nothing official from the team yet. We'll

522
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 2: see if that becomes official sooner rather than later. So

523
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: that is around the NFL presented by Kalida Health, the

524
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills. Topic of discussion

525
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: for you today, how much are you willing to give

526
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: up to land an A plus player for the Bills.

527
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: We see Miles Garrett wants to be traded, Cooper Cup

528
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 2: will be traded. I'm sure there are going to be

529
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: some others because some teams have some salary cap messes

530
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: to clean up this offseason and they may have to

531
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Speaker 2: move a high priced player to do it. So in

532
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: that trade market, how much are you willing to give

533
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Speaker 2: up to land an A plus player for the Bills?

534
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 2: Eight oh three zero five point fifty one eight eight

535
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: five point fifty two, five point fifty the number two

536
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: get on board. We're gonna quickly go to the phones

537
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Speaker 2: and we'll go do Judy in Buffalo to lead us

538
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Speaker 2: off today. What have you got for his Judy?

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00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 5: No, I've listened to all this hyperball about all these

540
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 5: big players that are out there that we should pick

541
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 5: off for all we need is one impactful player on

542
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 5: the offense. Get them out there, and then plug up

543
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 5: defense with our draft twises or whatever, and we will

544
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 5: be fine. We score thirty thirty five points a game,

545
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 5: who is going to beat us?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a valid point, Judy. I don't think you

547
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: need to come. And Brandon Bean said it in his

548
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: end of season press conference. You know we're not one

549
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: player away, he said, And he doesn't believe philosophically you

550
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: ever are one player away. But he doesn't feel like

551
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: you have to tear everything down to get better. So

552
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: it sounds as though there is going to be a

553
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: tweaking of the roster, as we tend to see every year,

554
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: probably more tweaking on the defensive side of the ball

555
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: than the offense. To your point, which I think is

556
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: readily apparent to most people watching this team all season,

557
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: that more of the fixes need to happen on the

558
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball than offense in terms of talent, level, athleticism, speed,

559
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 2: et cetera. So I would tend to agree with you

560
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: for the most part. You don't have to do an

561
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Speaker 2: overall here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's interesting that the first call out

563
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: of the box and Judy is a regular caller, but

564
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Speaker 1: she said went on the offensive side. I mean, everybody's

565
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: been preoccupied with this, Miles Garrett stuff and Max Crosby

566
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Speaker 1: and Trey Hendrickson and whoever else you want to name

567
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: getting a big edge rush or a guy that you

568
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Speaker 1: know commands double teams. I think it's interesting that she

569
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Speaker 1: went offensively because if this offense does get better and

570
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: does and like she said, that's thirty five points a

571
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: game is a lot. But if they did, you're She's right,

572
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: they are hard to beat and just kind of do

573
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Speaker 1: what you can with the defensive side of the ball

574
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Speaker 1: and see if teams can along with your defense and

575
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Speaker 1: also their inability to keep up with a team that

576
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Speaker 1: scored thirty five points a game, you're gonna win a

577
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: ton of games and get back to the playoffs and

578
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: have a shot at it again. It's interesting that that

579
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Speaker 1: she wanted to go offense instead of trying to help

580
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Speaker 1: the defense that was, you know, struggling to keep up.

581
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Speaker 1: But it's there. I mean, it's it's certainly a way

582
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: to go, and we I would say this, The opportunities

583
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: are gonna be there. We don't know what they are yet.

584
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: I'll say it again, when you when you go out

585
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: and try and get a difference maker, it's not about

586
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: what you have to give up to get Cooper Cup.

587
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: It's about what you have to pay him and how

588
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: long you can get him, and how good he's gonna

589
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: be when you do get him. Miles Garrett, you know

590
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: he's going to be vastly productive when he gets to

591
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: wherever he's going. But can you fit him under your

592
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: cap and what sacrifices do you have to make to

593
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: do that? And the Browns are in a part of

594
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: this as well. You're looking they're looking at a thirty

595
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: six million dollar cap hit or thirty two million dollar

596
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: cap six to bring him off right, thirty six to

597
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: not have him, to not have him, Yeah, they may

598
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: have to. They may have to wait until June first

599
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: to make this trade because then it's only an eighteen million.

600
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: Dollar hit and can spread the money out.

601
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Speaker 1: And you spread the money out, they'll have to give

602
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: him like a five million dollar check as a bonus

603
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: or something, or I don't know what that number is,

604
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: but they got to give him some money, and then

605
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: the money comes off the cap next year. So yeah,

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00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: it's not about what you have to give in compensation

607
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: draft pickwise, it's money and fitting in your cap and

608
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: the other teams fitting whatever compensation is under their cap.

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Speaker 2: Break time for us here more of your phone calls

610
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Speaker 2: in a little bit. But when we come back, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna be joined by Steve's former teammate, Bill's former punter

612
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Speaker 2: Chris Moore, who is at the super Bowl with some

613
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Speaker 2: of his artwork on display. Will explain when we return.

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Speaker 2: Here on one Bill's Live, presented by col Out of Health,

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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right, back here on one

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Speaker 2: of Bill's Live Chris Brown, Steve tasking with you and

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Speaker 2: pleased to welcome in now a guy whose artwork is

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Speaker 2: going to be on display at the Smocks and Jocks

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Speaker 2: event at the super Bowl in New Orleans this week.

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Speaker 2: It's former Bill's punter Chris Moore joining us. And I

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Speaker 2: gotta tell you, man, I didn't peg you for a

622
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Speaker 2: woodworking artist. You know. I remember passing your locker and

623
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Speaker 2: seeing pictures of a deer that you hunted out in

624
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: the woods. I've seen that, but I didn't pay you

625
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: for this, Chris, where did this start?

626
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 6: You know, I'm not quite sure.

627
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 7: I uh sort of, I don't know if I stumbled

628
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Speaker 7: upon it or you know, man Jesus was just great carpenters.

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Speaker 1: We that's where the that's where the similarity is in.

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Speaker 6: That's right.

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Speaker 7: But uh, seriously, I've always loved woodwork. I building stuff

632
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 7: and building had a fence building company for a while,

633
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 7: so ruptured both bicyle tendons, and I said, my body's

634
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 7: getting too old for that.

635
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 7: And I sort of wanted to stay in the woodworking

637
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 7: uh re realm of it. So I started doing little

638
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 7: palette furniture stuff and uh and that's probably when my

639
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 7: first couple of years, because that was pretty popular back then,

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00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 7: uh back in the late nineties, I mean two thousands.

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Speaker 6: But and it's sort of evolved.

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00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 7: We bought a place on Smith Lake here in Alabama,

643
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Speaker 7: and it has this unbelievable drift wood everywhere this this

644
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 7: lake particular, lakes the deepest lake in Alabama. It's three

645
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Speaker 7: hundred feet deep, and it's the third cleanest lake in

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Speaker 7: the nation.

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Speaker 6: It's the number one.

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00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 7: It's the clean slake in Alabama. But there's some those

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Speaker 7: are some facts that I learned here recently, which done

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00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 7: surprised me. But anyway, I don't know if all that

651
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 7: has anything to do with it. But there's a ton

652
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 7: of driftwood that has you know, they have different formations,

653
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 7: and uh so I just go and see what I see,

654
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 7: see what I can find, and sort of look at

655
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 7: it and say that could be this or that, you know,

656
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 7: and you never know actually what they turn out to.

657
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 7: So you had I would, I don't know if I said,

658
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 7: Steve this. I had one that looked like an eagle

659
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 7: holding something in his mouth, sitting on a tree with

660
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 7: his wings out, and it sort of looked like forty

661
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 7: seven and I actually.

662
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 6: I have to send it to stay.

663
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 7: But it's unbelievable the resemblance of some of these things

664
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 7: and what they look like.

665
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they go ahead.

666
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 7: Now, I was just saying, it's like they take on

667
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 7: a new life, like, uh, you know, instead of the centegrating,

668
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 7: I'm helping it live on somebody's wall, you know.

669
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 6: Forever. I've done a ton of crosses.

670
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 7: Uh that was what I really started doing that at

671
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 7: first were crosses and uh and then and then started

672
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 7: seeing different things and different pieces of wood, and it just.

673
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 6: Just intrigues me.

674
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 7: That right there is the one I gave the Dabo

675
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 7: Sweeny when he broke the all time coaching record at Clemson.

676
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 7: I think it was one hundred and sixty six wins.

677
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 7: And you can't really sit on that picture, but I

678
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 7: burned in the Clemson logo and the one sixty six

679
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 7: on there too. It's pretty cool. And actually Dabo, who's

680
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 7: from where I live now, was in town and I

681
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 7: had told him about the crosses. The next time you

682
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 7: in town, I got something for you.

683
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 6: He cost me. I'm out of town.

684
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 7: I was like, but it's at the house, sending and

685
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 7: give it to you. Well, he went over there and

686
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 7: he sent me. Oh, he faced tied me about Oh,

687
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 7: he loved it, but he was having a good time

688
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 7: of ut me not being there. But he took pictures

689
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 7: of him going on the plane and then when he

690
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 7: him and his wife with it. So it was it

691
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 7: was meat and I enjoyed done it.

692
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: How did you get involved with this? The Super Bowl

693
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: stuff and the socks that the smocks and jocks smocks.

694
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 7: Well, you know, you get these emails every year about stuff,

695
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 7: and I really never looked at at that particular one

696
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 7: until I started doing you know this type stuff, and

697
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 7: I just I just ran up in front of the

698
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 7: flag pole be honest with you a couple of years

699
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 7: ago that actually this is my third year with having

700
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,959
Speaker 7: something in it, and uh, I got email backs.

701
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 6: Hey, yours has been yours has.

702
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 7: Been chosen for uh uh you know to come to

703
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 7: the show, because a bunch of them don't actually go

704
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 7: to the show.

705
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 6: They go they're auctioned off online.

706
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 7: In fact, I got two things that are being auctioned

707
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 7: online and then this that one particular one will be

708
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 7: actually at the show. And uh, but they really did

709
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 7: a great job. I want one in l A too,

710
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 7: And it was uh, I mean it was real fancy.

711
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, well it was it Vegas, Las Vegas,

712
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 7: in LA. But the one in Vegas was really nice too.

713
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 7: They it was a nice catered cocktail like fancy art show,

714
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 7: you know, you know, Sammy I was all about.

715
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: Those, Yeah, the cocktails and all the fancy stuff. Yeah.

716
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: I gotta ask Chris, so what are the what are

717
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: the common tools you're using? Are you using like wood

718
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: grinder stuff for spinning tools, you know, power spinners, you

719
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about? The bevil, the bevil tools

720
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 2: and it.

721
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: Doesn't look like you're using a chainsaw anyway.

722
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

723
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 7: Well, some of them I have to cut down. Some

724
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 7: of them are thicker. I'll cut them down the way

725
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 7: I can handle them. But you're right, Chris, I don't

726
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 7: use much. I mean this, I've been through a ton

727
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 7: of sanders.

728
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 6: I'll use Uh.

729
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 7: They make some neat attachments that go on drills that

730
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 7: you can get into the special little nicks and cranny as.

731
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 6: You know of it.

732
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: I've uh, yeah, I got right.

733
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 7: So but majority of it is just that, you know,

734
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 7: just uh, just sanding. There's a lot of sand in

735
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 7: uh that takes play, explaime me.

736
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: So when do you when do you find out if

737
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 2: if you've got the winning entry? Are you gonna go

738
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: down there and and kind of be there for the

739
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: final results or how does that work? Or is it

740
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: just a display thing or is anybody getting hand I

741
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: don't know.

742
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 7: If I don't know if it's a clear cut winner.

743
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 7: I think it's just all these items.

744
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 6: Are up for auction, so I got you vise will

745
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 6: will be on a.

746
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 7: On display so you can go up and sign a

747
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 7: sheet of paper like the starting bid and on this

748
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 7: I think it's like two twenty.

749
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 6: Five or something, and uh so whatever, I goes to

750
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 6: the charity, right, very nice.

751
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: Are you headed down to New Orleans?

752
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 6: Yes, I'm going. I had gone ahead and made plans.

753
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 7: And hopes that uh, the Blue and Red would be

754
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 7: down there, but we got screwed by the officials again.

755
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: So hew me both broke your speed. You're listening great,

756
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: you're prettach to the choir. What are your thoughts?

757
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 6: Uh?

758
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 7: I mean I had Music City Miracle throw back? Uh nightmares?

759
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's ridiculous. Don't get home forward.

760
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 7: I can't believe nobody. You just didn't hear much about

761
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 7: it than the press either.

762
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, good tell, good tell. I guess was asked about

763
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 2: it yesterday and you know what is he think about

764
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: a bias of officiating towards the chiefs? And he said

765
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: it was preposterous.

766
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, watch these things this weekend and you'll

767
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 7: see why they won if I had to guess.

768
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, have y'all heard that I heard what.

769
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 6: Tiger Swift was saying?

770
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: Oh no, I haven't heard that.

771
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: I haven't heard that she's not the scheduled halftime entertainment.

772
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: Listen, Kreik, you know this in the world we live in,

773
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: you hear lots of things that don't have any merit.

774
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 6: Just that's right, all right?

775
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: So what are you?

776
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: What are you working on now? What's what's your latest project?

777
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 8: That?

778
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: What what washed up on shore that you've got that

779
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: you've gotten the shop now, I'm just.

780
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 7: Working on a cross for one of my neighbors. Okay,

781
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 7: I've been telling them what i'd get in one. I

782
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 7: got a really neat piece that probably seven feet tall. Oh,

783
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 7: there is already naturally, when I found it, it was

784
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 7: already hollowed out.

785
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 6: I'll send you a picture up so he can take

786
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 6: it out. I hadn't.

787
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 7: I hadn't done anything with it yet. I'm still trying

788
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 7: to figure out what to do because this is rather large.

789
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that may be a table or something even like

790
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: a credenza kind of thing. Got to get into the furniture.

791
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: Then you really start selling them big. Then you have

792
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: really big price tags. You know.

793
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: Well, we gotta before I let you go, I gotta

794
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: wish you good luck. Hope all that stuff works out well.

795
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: Congratulations too on being a grandpa again. Good for you.

796
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.

797
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 2: Number three all right, man, good to see you Chris,

798
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: congrats on the notoriety for your artwork, and uh, glad

799
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: it's going to a good cause as well. Well done.

800
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 6: All right, guys, I appreciate it.

801
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: All right, man, take.

802
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 2: Care see you Krick all right, that's Chris Moore, former

803
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 2: Bill's punter.

804
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: Yea, And I chased his I chased more his punts

805
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: than the human being in the world.

806
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, running down his forty yard bring him up in

807
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: the air for we're close. Yeah, for four point six

808
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: four point seven seconds.

809
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was. He was a beauty and you can

810
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: tell there too. He does have a little bit of

811
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: an accent and uh and opinion. He showed. I call

812
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: him Crick c r I c k yeah, uh like

813
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, like the creek bottom like a creek and

814
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: except the color creek. Because we're going to a game,

815
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: we're all show we all show up the airport, you know,

816
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: get on the charter. You've you've been a million time, right,

817
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: So we get on there and we show up. Crease

818
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: shows up in a neck brace and you know we

819
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: gotta play, you know, a NFL game. He's in a

820
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: neck brace.

821
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: You got whiplasher, Like, what did you do?

822
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: He goes, Yeah, he goes, I woke up last night,

823
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: I woke up this morning. I got a creek in

824
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: my neck. You get a what you got a creek

825
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: in my neck? So from that moment on, his nickname

826
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: has always been crick.

827
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah you heard that expression, creaking?

828
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he woke up with it.

829
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not waiting. Not usually the punter show up.

830
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: And he showed up to the game our neck brace.

831
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you doing? Like, you can't just

832
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: like gut it out. You gotta wear a neck brace.

833
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: That was a fun conversation. Uh, we are up against

834
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: the break though, so we will step aside. Here, take

835
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: your phone calls when we come back. Here on One

836
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

837
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: All right back here on One Bill's Live. Chris Brown,

838
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you. Question on the table for you,

839
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: how much you're willing to give up to land An

840
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: a plus player for the Bills? Eight oh three, oh

841
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: five fifty. Let's get right to the phones and leading

842
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: us off here is Bernard in Buffalo. What do you

843
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 2: got for us? Bernard?

844
00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:59,479
Speaker 9: How are you doing?

845
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 10: Guys, Miles Garrett, I'd love to see the Bills get

846
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 10: him if they had to give up two number ones

847
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 10: or two number ones or a two, whatever they had

848
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 10: to do to get them. It's the guys that.

849
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: It's not gonna I'll tell you this, Bernard, it's not

850
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: gonna take two ones. It'll take one to one and

851
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: a two and maybe a three, A one this year,

852
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: a two next year, maybe a three next year, or

853
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: switch late round draft picks. With the Browns, it's not

854
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: a question of whether it's not a question of whether

855
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: they can give up the draft capital to get him.

856
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: They got that. The problem is the economics of it,

857
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: and that's that's where it's gonna fall apart for Buffalo,

858
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: it's the Browns probably may want to wait until June first.

859
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: Well, they could just designate it as a June first trade.

860
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: Right, But you know, if it's the it's the money

861
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: that's the problem, not the not the compensation you have

862
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: to give up. It's not He's not I say it,

863
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be that expensive draft pick wise. The

864
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: problem is can you fit him under your cap. I

865
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: don't even think the Bills will have to give up

866
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: a player to get him, so, although you know you

867
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: may maybe the Bills will desire to.

868
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 2: Do that, dollars out to bring because they need.

869
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, they might need dollars out and dollars in kind

870
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: of thing. So yeah, I'm it's it's it's all about

871
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, is what this is about. It's about

872
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: them and fitting it under your cap as an as

873
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: a new player, as a new team. Giving up the

874
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: draft capital is is easy. It's not going to be

875
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: that much, and that makes it sound like it's more

876
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: likely to happen. It's not more likely to happen because

877
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: there are other teams who are better positioned that way.

878
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: Let's go to Jim in Penfield next. What's up, Jim?

879
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 9: Hey, how you doing, guys, Glad to talk to you.

880
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 9: I'm going to jump off the bandwagon here for the player.

881
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 9: I want to tell Steve about a couple of specific

882
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 9: times that the officials messed up on the bills. Like

883
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 9: in the first quarter, Cook had an eleven yard run,

884
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 9: they marked them a yard short. Second quarter, they had

885
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 9: passed the Cooper eleven yard gain, marked them a yard short.

886
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 9: Fourth quarter thirty yard passed the Cook first and ten nope,

887
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 9: yard short again, then Buffalo and in the third quarter

888
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 9: Kincaid first and ten nope, one yard short again. Also,

889
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 9: let us not forget when Kelsey grabbed Russo trying to

890
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 9: stop the homes on a sideline run. Kelsey grabbed them

891
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 9: by the shirt collar and referees right there and they

892
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 9: didn't see a thing. So please don't tell me about

893
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 9: how they're trying to do their job and do it

894
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 9: so well. They are not doing it so well. Okay,

895
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 9: I'll hang up. Take care, guys.

896
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: All right, we're.

897
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: More than a week removed, still sore about the initiating

898
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: the get it.

899
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: They're bitter about it, and I get it. There was

900
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: some stuff on social media that came out and said,

901
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: you know, they they the officials had spotted it one

902
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: way and they got what happened too is and I'll

903
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: say this and maybe we need and I haven't noticed

904
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: And I'll say this too, I haven't noticed it like

905
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: like we did. And most of us didn't notice it

906
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: that night until we went back and were reminded or

907
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: told about it later. What they're doing a lot of

908
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: now is getting the eye in the sky, and they're

909
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: getting I guess say finger quotes more accurate. The eye

910
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: in the sky, particularly where first downs are involved, is

911
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: going down and looking at the angles they've got on

912
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: the pylon cams and all of that. So if the

913
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: guy's lunging forward but his elbow hits or his knee

914
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: hits before he finishes the lunge, the balls down where

915
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: his elbow or knee hits where the ball is at

916
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: that time, not where he ends up the lunge. Some

917
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: of that's going on in some of these as well.

918
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: There's no there's no pad answer for any of this.

919
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: I saw the same some of the same posts that

920
00:47:53,400 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: are I guess was a Bernard just just mentioned as well, Yeah,

921
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: you can go around in circles and if you want,

922
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: and you can uh and and some of those you're

923
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: going to be right, they will miss it. But I

924
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: don't think that. Don't get into this big dark conspiracy

925
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: theory about they're all have it in against them or

926
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: whatever whatever you can say this. Sometimes home held home

927
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: team gets some home cooking because the crowd gets in

928
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: their mind and they don't want to, you know whatever.

929
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: But that's a home field thing. That's not an officials thing.

930
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: That's a that's a normal It goes for every team,

931
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: not just that team. So get home field that helps.

932
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: I see it. I mean, I get what you're saying,

933
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: but I'm not. I'm not. I'm not going down that

934
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: road because it's I think it's ridiculous. I Like I said,

935
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: I've had conversations with these guys. They see the game

936
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: completely different than you and I do. And and as

937
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: long as these games are ultra competitive like they are

938
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: between the Chiefs and the Bills, it's gonna come. Those

939
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,479
Speaker 1: officials are gonna make some calls. Late in these games

940
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: are gonna make a difference. It's all right, And even

941
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: early in these games when you go back, just yeah,

942
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: don't don't get yourself all tied up and knots over it,

943
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: because it's it's not worth it.

944
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: Break time for us here when we start our number two,

945
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 2: we're gonna do it. Do it with ESPN. NFL Draft

946
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: insider Matt Miller, who's gonna join us, recently did a

947
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: two round mock. What three players with Buffalo's three picks?

948
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: Did he mock to the Bills. We'll find out next

949
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live presented by Colida Health, It's

950
00:49:32,960 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills Radio.

951
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: This this One Bill's Live presented by Called Light to Help.

952
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 3: All right Now.

953
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: Number two on a Tuesday, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with

954
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: you here on one Bill's Live and please to be

955
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: joined now by ESPN NFL Draft insider and analyst Matt Miller,

956
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: cranking out the content already. I mean we're three months out,

957
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: give or take, and he's cranking it out already on

958
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: ESPN dot com and everywhere else on all their live programming.

959
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: So Matt, thanks for giving us some time during what

960
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: is quote unquote your busy season. Saw your recent two

961
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: round mock. I want to begin overview wise here though,

962
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: because I want to see if you're in concert with

963
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: what the prevailing opinion seemed to be right now concerning

964
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: this class overall, and that is number one. Is it

965
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: a little light on the elite blue chip talent and

966
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 2: heavy on meat and potatoes between like say, picks twenty

967
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 2: and eighty.

968
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, guys, appreciate you having me on. And I

969
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: would say maybe even more than that. I think you

970
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 3: have a handful four or five blue chip players, so

971
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: that will kind of be the conversation. And then I

972
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 3: feel like you have a second tier of good players,

973
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 3: but just solid football players that might be picks five

974
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: through fifteen, six through fifteen somewhere there, and then I

975
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 3: think you get into that area that you're talking about

976
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: where picks it might be picks twenty to sixty all

977
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 3: have a very very similar draft grade. So it is

978
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: a good year to have needs on the defensive line.

979
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 3: It's a good year to have needs at tight end,

980
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: running back. It's not the greatest year for wide receivers,

981
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 3: which is when was the last time we said that,

982
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 3: right that it's not a good guard draft. It feels

983
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 3: like it's been forever. It's not the deepest year of

984
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 3: positions like cornerback. But if you need line play, O line,

985
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 3: D line, defensive end, this is a fantastic year for it.

986
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: I know that. I don't know if you track this

987
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: or not, because I know you know you've got a

988
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: two round mock draft right now and stuff. But as

989
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: free agency comes around and then the draft hits. But

990
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: free agency really changes things for teams, plus the post

991
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: June one where you trade guys and all that. But

992
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: how much do you is your experience tell you that

993
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: teams needs change after the first week or two of

994
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,959
Speaker 1: free agency, just before the draft, it's got to change

995
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: it significantly. I know it did with the Bills.

996
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 3: Oh It absolutely does. And you think you have an idea,

997
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 3: you know, in season of what a team's needs would be.

998
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 3: So I'll tell you right now, I have the Bills

999
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: top five needs d end corner, defensive tackle, linebacker, and

1000
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 3: stafety or wide receiver. But you know, things like retirements

1001
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: are going to impact that. Free agency Rusul Douglas, Amari Cooper,

1002
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: those signings or not signings will absolutely impact this. And

1003
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 3: there's always surprise trades. It feels like, you know, we

1004
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 3: saw you know yesterday, Miles Garrett Cooper, cup might be

1005
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 3: on the move, So that definitely shakes things up. Additions

1006
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 3: and subtractions as much as so it is always very

1007
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 3: very fluid. I think a big part of our job

1008
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 3: is draft analyst is to also be studying these NFL

1009
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 3: teams to say where are the needs, where the weakness

1010
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 3: is not just twenty twenty five, but looking twenty six,

1011
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 3: twenty seven, because there are some clubs that are going

1012
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 3: to draft a year or two out on their needs.

1013
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: So it is a big part of the studying that

1014
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 3: we do is to try to understand where these rosters

1015
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 3: are at.

1016
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: I know you covered both the East West Shrine Bowl

1017
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: and Reese's Senior Bowl here in the last week or so,

1018
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: did I guess, what are your biggest takeaways from those

1019
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 2: two weeks? Because I know the practice setting is where

1020
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 2: the real evaluation takes place. Not that the game is

1021
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: dismissed necessarily, but you know what I'm saying, A lot

1022
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: of intel has gathered there in the practice reps where

1023
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 2: you can get some one on one looks at people.

1024
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: Do you come out of those two weeks watching that

1025
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: talent and saying, oh, maybe the draft class is better

1026
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 2: or deeper in this area than maybe some of us anticipated.

1027
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think tight end is one of those spots.

1028
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 3: And I know you know the Bills are pretty set

1029
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: at tight end, but that is an area where there

1030
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 3: were guys I liked. But then you get to see

1031
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: them a person. You think, wait, I like this player

1032
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 3: more than I maybe realized on tape. You see the

1033
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 3: move in person that has such a big impact. I

1034
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 3: think on the flip side, I went into both those

1035
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 3: events being on the road for about ten days wanting

1036
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: someone to pop at quarterback, wanting someone to pop at

1037
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 3: wide receiver, and I didn't get that feeling. And that's

1038
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 3: probably a little bit of experience. It was my fifteenth

1039
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl. So I've seen some things over the years

1040
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: in Mobile, Alabama. Something we can talk about, something we can't, obviously,

1041
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 3: But it's one of those years where you say, I

1042
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 3: wanted a wide receiver to wow me, you know, I

1043
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 3: wanted to have that Cooper Cup moment where a guy

1044
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 3: comes to the Senior Bowl and just blows you away.

1045
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 3: That wasn't there for me. And so I think, now

1046
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 3: I need to go back and watch more tape. I

1047
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 3: need to dig in on some of the juniors more

1048
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 3: who I haven't you know, needed to study as in

1049
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 3: depth yet and try to see because teams have needs

1050
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 3: and they're going to use these picks. So we got

1051
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 3: to find a word. Where are the good players? Senior Bowl?

1052
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 3: That was the best O line D line group I've

1053
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 3: ever seen combined at a Senior Bowl. The tight end

1054
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 3: group was great as well. The corner class was really good.

1055
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: It was a top to bottom loaded Senior Bowl group.

1056
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 3: It just didn't have those sexy positions at quarterback and

1057
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 3: wide receiver that we usually go down there to watch

1058
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 3: those guys and see who the best of the best is.

1059
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: So you've got this this draft class. It's very very

1060
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: top heavy and very shallow at the top. Who is

1061
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: that handful of guys? I mean, who are the names

1062
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: that we're going to get to know intimately through this

1063
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: process because a lot of fans don't dive into this until, like,

1064
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: you know, this last weekend when the Buffalo Bills get

1065
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: put out of the playoffs. Now they can think about

1066
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: it maybe a little bit. What are this? What's this

1067
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: handful of guys? Who are they?

1068
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 3: Abdul Carter, the defensive end from Penn State, best player

1069
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 3: in the draft, barn On Travis Hunter from Colorado. He

1070
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 3: may be a wide receiver, he may be a corner,

1071
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 3: he may be a little of both. So he's up

1072
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 3: there as well. Mason Graham, the defensive tackle from Michigan,

1073
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 3: is an elite player in the trenches. He's a three technique,

1074
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 3: really really good there. Then there's a conversation, right Will Johnson,

1075
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 3: the corner from Michigan. He was banged up this year,

1076
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 3: but on tape he's a blue chip player. Will Campbell,

1077
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 3: tackle from LSU on tape, blue chip player, but his

1078
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 3: arms are a little bit short. He's going to come

1079
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: in under thirty three inch arms. Aston john T, running

1080
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 3: back from Boise State, awesome football player, but he's a

1081
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 3: running back. So I think those that's what we're looking

1082
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 3: at five to six players at the top of this draft.

1083
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 3: After that there is a little bit of a drop

1084
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 3: off to the next group of guys.

1085
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: And then with respect to your mock draft specifically, Matt

1086
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 2: you know, your first pick for the Bills at thirty,

1087
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 2: you go Iman Worri, the safety from South Carolina. You know,

1088
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 2: who is an athletic talent, and I'm a proponent that

1089
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: the Bills on the back end need to get more

1090
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: team speed and they need to be more athletic in general.

1091
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 2: This guy is a giant though for the safety position

1092
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: these days, this guy could have This guy could have

1093
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: played safety in the nineties at his size, so he

1094
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: looks like a veritable giant at the position. My question

1095
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: to you is how much of a hybrid role can

1096
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 2: he play, you know, with respect to you know, maybe

1097
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: a little bit up closer to the line, maybe as

1098
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 2: a pseudo hybrid linebacker type in a nickel package.

1099
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's Darwin James, so the hybrid ability is there.

1100
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 3: Six foot, three hundred and twenty pounds and he's every

1101
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 3: bit of that. He is rocked up, but he's fast.

1102
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: This is in a situation of sixty three to two twenty,

1103
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 3: but he can't open his hips and run. He's going

1104
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 3: to run in the four threes or four fours. He

1105
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 3: is one of the freakiest athletes I saw all season long.

1106
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 3: So he can do a little bit of everything for you.

1107
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 3: He's come to a play up in the box. He's

1108
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 3: come from playing as a deep free safety. He's a

1109
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 3: matchup guy. And he was a true junior coming out

1110
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 3: of South Carolina. So he's still young. He's still developing,

1111
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 3: which is hard to believe, but I'll tell you. I

1112
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 3: put him to you guys in this mock draft, and

1113
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 3: I had a scout call me yesterday morning and say

1114
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 3: he's never gonna make it to Buffalo. And I was like,

1115
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 3: come on, let's give the Bills need a playmaker on

1116
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 3: the back end. Let's make this happen for them. But

1117
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 3: scouts from other teams do not want the Buffalo Bills

1118
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 3: to have a rangey, playmaking safety who can also take

1119
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: away the run game for quarterbacks, because he is truly

1120
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 3: a three down difference maker.

1121
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: All right, So let me ask you, then, what do

1122
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: you think is the highest he could go? And I'm

1123
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 2: guessing thirty is around the lowest. Bottom of Round one

1124
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: is the floor. Where's the ceiling of how quick he

1125
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: could come off the board?

1126
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 3: I think the ceiling is thirteen. With Miami Dolphins, they've

1127
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 3: got two safeties who are going to be free agents,

1128
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 3: Holland especially, So we see teams sometimes say, hey, we

1129
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: created a hole we couldn't sign this impact player. We'll

1130
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: fill it in the NFL draft. So we'll see what

1131
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 3: happens with where the pass rushers come up the board.

1132
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 3: I think that's the thing to watch. If we get

1133
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 3: a board that's wiped out in terms of pass rushers

1134
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 3: or even three techniques, then I think there's gonna be

1135
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 3: squads that look at in the Warrior and say, hey,

1136
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 3: this dude's a difference maker in a draft that's a

1137
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 3: little light on him, this guy's a difference maker. He's

1138
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 3: bringing production, he's bringing all star level traits. Those are

1139
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 3: the types of guys that always go a little bit

1140
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 3: earlier than we anticipate.

1141
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: So give us an idea too about some of the

1142
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: other position inees you see for Buffalo and who might

1143
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: be available if Uman Warri's off the board.

1144
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I go back to defensive end. This is a

1145
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 3: really good defensive end class, and that's gonna be the

1146
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 3: key is where does that board get wiped out? Like

1147
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 3: Abdul Carter's gonna go early, Jalen Walker from Georgia gonna

1148
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 3: go early. Michael Williams from Georgia also probably gonna go

1149
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 3: in the top fifteen. Then there's a little bit of

1150
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 3: a gap to guys like Mike Green from Marshall who

1151
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 3: just had an amazing Senior Bowl week. Jack Sawyer from

1152
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 3: Ohio State. Jack Sawyer, you could plug him into your

1153
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 3: lineup tomorrow and he could start for seven years. He's

1154
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 3: just incredibly solid in every phase of the game. So

1155
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 3: the defensive end group would be strong at pick number thirty.

1156
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 3: Corner is a little bit dicey. I like Trey Amos

1157
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 3: Amos excuse me from Ole Miss that he had a

1158
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 3: good Senior Bowl week. He would be in play there.

1159
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 3: I think you know, Zaidie Baron's gone, Will Johnson's gone.

1160
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 3: You might be looking at someone like as Thomas, another

1161
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 3: corner from Florida State who had a really good Senior

1162
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 3: All week. I think they're in that late first, early

1163
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 3: second round range. As far as linebackers go, Jehad Campbell,

1164
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 3: who is maybe a third down rusher as well as

1165
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 3: an off ball stack linebacker on first and second down,

1166
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 3: much more of a hybrid player than the Bills traditionally

1167
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 3: go for that position. He's in that range. Carson Schweschinger

1168
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 3: from UCLA, who I love. He's one of my favorite

1169
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 3: players the entire draft at linebacker. He would be in

1170
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 3: range at thirty. So those are the big needs I

1171
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 3: have right now. But I would say, you know, i'd

1172
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 3: say this for Buffalo, Kansas City, Philadelphia. You know, these

1173
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,959
Speaker 3: teams that are per perennial league in the driver's seat

1174
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 3: at the best of the best, Like stop taking projects

1175
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 3: late first round just because you're a good team and

1176
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 3: you have all of vanm quarterbacks. You shouldn't take on projects.

1177
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 3: I look at what teams like the Rams are doing,

1178
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 3: draft guys who are ready to come in and contribute.

1179
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 3: Because you're this you're this close to making a Super Bowl,

1180
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 3: to win a Super well, I think you got to

1181
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 3: go with high impact early players instead of and we

1182
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 3: got Josh Allen. We can take time to develop these guys.

1183
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 3: I would be looking at players who were in Power

1184
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 3: four conferences three plus your starters and can come in

1185
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 3: and play right away as rookies.

1186
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 2: All right, and we know the defensive tackle class is

1187
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 2: a good one. To your point. At the same time,

1188
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 2: I would argue that the younger players up front on

1189
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 2: the interior for Buffalo are more of the three technique

1190
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 2: penetrating variety. And I'm thinking of Ed Oliver and Dwayne

1191
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 2: Carter who they just drafted last year, So it's more

1192
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 2: likely they're looking for a space eater and a one

1193
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 2: tech that. Okay, if they can get some push up

1194
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: in the pocket, great, does that afford the Bills? You

1195
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 2: think the opportunity to wait on that position a little

1196
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 2: bit similar to the way you kind of suggested here

1197
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 2: in your mock, you know, with Josh Farmer going fifty

1198
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 2: six overall in round two for them, because there you

1199
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 2: know the three techs are going to go first because

1200
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 2: they're more of a playmaker type defensive tackles. So maybe

1201
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: just help me with the strategy here and can the

1202
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 2: Bills sit there and wait until round two and get

1203
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 2: more of a space eater type.

1204
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 3: I think you can, whether that be Josh Farmer, Alfred

1205
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 3: Collins from Texas, Dane Walker from Kentucky, there are space eaters,

1206
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 3: and I think round one, like you mentioned, Kenneth Grant

1207
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,919
Speaker 3: from Michigan is the one player in round one who

1208
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 3: is that space eater that I say you gotta at

1209
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 3: least think about him in the first round if he's there,

1210
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 3: because he would pair so well with Ed Oliver I

1211
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 3: had him going to Kansas City, or he would pair

1212
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 3: well with Chris Jones. But I do think that that

1213
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 3: you know one technique, becausezero technique, that defensive tackle group,

1214
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 3: you're gonna be able to find really good value in

1215
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 3: the second round. Now there is a drop off, like

1216
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 3: I don't know that you wait till round three because

1217
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 3: then you're looking at guys who have some type of deficiency. Right,

1218
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 3: so round two it feels like there will be two

1219
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 3: to three pretty solid options at that specific position. And

1220
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 3: then you know, if you stack the board this way,

1221
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 3: if you can get you know, defensive end or safety

1222
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 3: in round one, then defense tackle around two, then I

1223
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 3: think you leave yourself in pretty good shape to fill

1224
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 3: in some of the other, you know, higher priority needs

1225
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 3: in rounds three through seven.

1226
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: I know there's a ton of time it's got to

1227
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: go by, and a lot of things are going to

1228
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: happen before the draft. But do you anticipate movement at

1229
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: the top of this draft by teams?

1230
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 3: So that's that's a great question, Steve. I think Tennessee

1231
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 3: would love to trade out of number one overall, despite

1232
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 3: what you know front office might say in press conferences.

1233
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 3: I think they would trade out. The interesting thing about

1234
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 3: draft classes that are, as you said, shallow at the top,

1235
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 3: and then we have this, you know, cluster of forty

1236
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 3: players that everybody kind of has the same braid on.

1237
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 3: We traditionally don't see a lot of movement in those

1238
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 3: drafts because a team's board doesn't yet wipe down us fast.

1239
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 3: So you might have six or seven targets, but you

1240
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 3: know the team down the road has a completely different

1241
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 3: group of players. So I think traditionally we don't see

1242
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 3: as much movement. Now at the top. It could get

1243
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 3: crazy because it is a weak quarterback class. If you

1244
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 3: need a starting quarterback, if you're the job the Raiders,

1245
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 3: whoever that might be, you have to go get one

1246
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 3: one of two because there are two that are going

1247
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 3: to go early. Outside of that, I don't see blue

1248
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 3: chip players that we're going to see a lot of

1249
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 3: movement for. If we do see movement, I think we've

1250
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 3: gone to the back end of round one, similar to what

1251
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 3: we saw last year, where teams are jockeying to get

1252
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 3: you know, last year was the receivers that group was getting.

1253
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 3: There was a run, so teams were trying to get

1254
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 3: those receivers. I could see that being the case this

1255
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 3: year if some of those defensive ends slip into the twenties,

1256
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 3: where teams say, we got to go get one of

1257
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 3: these guys before they're all gone, and that would create

1258
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 3: some trade value.

1259
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 2: All right, let me spin that defensive end class a

1260
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 2: different way here with you know, Miles Garrett asking for

1261
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 2: a trade from the Browns. Obviously he's an appropriately labeled

1262
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 2: generational talent. And I know you're talking about teams in

1263
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: contention should be looking for instant impact. Are there enough

1264
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 2: instant impact defensive ends in this class to dissuade a

1265
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: team that's close to win in the whole dang thing

1266
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: away from parting with draft kapital and other assets to

1267
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: land of Miles Garrett and instead go the way of

1268
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 2: the draft.

1269
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 3: Let's assume for a second it can work under the

1270
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 3: salary cap, and I don't have the bill salary cap

1271
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 3: memorize quite yet give me a couple more weeks and

1272
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 3: I'll get there. If it can work under the cap,

1273
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 3: I would be all about it because pick number thirty,

1274
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: I mean that is a roll of the dice on

1275
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 3: a pick number thirty is going to be an impact

1276
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 3: or not, and you have no way of knowing who's

1277
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 3: going to be there. We like we just said the

1278
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 3: defensive end group could be wiped out by pick thirty

1279
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 3: because of how good those players are this year and

1280
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 3: how many needs there are at I would say maybe

1281
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 3: the second most important position in all football. So yeah,

1282
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 3: if you can make it work money wise, I would

1283
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 3: be all over Miles Garrett to have the best defensive

1284
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 3: player in football with you know, Superman a quarterback. That's

1285
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 3: a pretty great way to do it on both sides.

1286
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 3: I know some Bills fans might be a little you know,

1287
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 3: jaded by the von Miller move and maybe feeling like, oh, well,

1288
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 3: we've tried that before. Miles Garrett's twenty nine years old.

1289
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 3: He has been unstoppable. He's actually getting better. If you

1290
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 3: look at us last three seasons, he's actually begun to

1291
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 3: become excuse me, more efficient, more impactful. So if you

1292
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 3: can find a way to do it. I don't think

1293
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 3: it's going to be as expensive as the Twitter gms

1294
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,919
Speaker 3: want you to believe. I don't think you're getting three

1295
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 3: first round picks for a twenty nine year old pas

1296
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 3: rusher who's going to want a new contract. It's certainly

1297
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 3: going to be at least one first round pick plus

1298
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 3: you know, whether that be an impact player or another pick.

1299
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 3: But it would certainly be fascinating. And if you know,

1300
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 3: Brandon Bean calls an ask, I would say do it,

1301
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 3: because that would be an unstoppable duo on offense and defense.

1302
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so give us an idea of the way you

1303
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: understand it. What's the hold up? I mean, it's certainly

1304
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: got to be the economics on Cleveland's end of it, right.

1305
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. It just you know you also,

1306
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 3: I think if you're Cleveland, you don't want to admit defeat.

1307
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 3: You don't want to say we're this far from competing

1308
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 3: from contending that our Hall of Fame player wants out.

1309
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 3: I think that's hard for an ownership group, for a

1310
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 3: front office. You kind of signal, you know, you're raising

1311
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 3: a white flag and saying, Okay, we can't we can't win.

1312
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 3: We got to let this guy go somewhere else. So

1313
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 3: and then economically, you know, for Cleveland, I think the

1314
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 3: dead cap situation if they were to trade him would

1315
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 3: be catastrophic on top of the fact that they're also

1316
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 3: trying to deal with the Deshaun Watson contract situation as well.

1317
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 3: So it's just a case in point of how one

1318
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 3: bad move can have such a big domino effect for

1319
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 3: a roster, and it's why it's so important to get

1320
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 3: those things right when you're handing over two hundred and

1321
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 3: fifty million dollars guaranteed.

1322
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 2: Matt, thanks for the time, appreciated. I'm sure we'll catch

1323
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 2: you up with you down the line here, maybe even

1324
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 2: out in India at the Combine like we did in

1325
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 2: the past couple of years.

1326
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: Look forward to s Matt, appreciate you guys. Thanks so much.

1327
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 2: All right. That's Matt Miller, ESPN NFL Draft analyst and insider,

1328
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: And just so it's clear for everybody. In his two

1329
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 2: round mock, he went Bills in round one at thirty

1330
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 2: South Carolina safety Nick emon Warri then round two, pick

1331
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 2: fifty six with the Minnesota that they acquired in the

1332
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 2: trade for Diggs to Houston. He has the Bills taking

1333
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 2: Joshua farm Of the defensive tackle out of Florida State,

1334
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 2: and then six picks later their own pick at sixty two,

1335
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 2: he has them taking edge rusher Landon Jackson out of Arkansas.

1336
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 2: He was the LSU transfer that finished his college career there.

1337
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 2: I think he had six and a half sacks each

1338
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 2: of the last two seasons for the Razorbacks.

1339
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: So safety, defensive tackle, edge.

1340
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 2: And we're expecting to heavy defensive.

1341
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: The safety, the safeties, you know, obviously because he's in

1342
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: the tough first round. I don't know how things may

1343
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: change in this offseason. I would anticipate the Bills signing

1344
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: a guy in free agency of safety or whatever, because

1345
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:52,879
Speaker 1: there's usually like two dozen of them available, and.

1346
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 2: There were twenty starting safety and free starting last year

1347
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 2: starting safeties, which was up from eighteen the year.

1348
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: So I think I think the Bills will probably fill

1349
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: that need through free agency a guy who's already known

1350
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: a known commodity, because you don't know if uman war

1351
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 1: imn Warri, yeah imun Worri is gonna be available, right,

1352
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: so if you knew he was gonna be there, a's thirty,

1353
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: We're like, okay, well, yeah, we'll take we'll sit there

1354
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: and wait and we'll take him there. But you don't know.

1355
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: Once you get past ten, you're you have less chance,

1356
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 2: less and less control of what happens because you got

1357
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 2: twenty nine teams in front of you, not to mention

1358
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 2: teams behind you that could leap frog. So your level

1359
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 2: of control when you're picking thirtieth every year is minimal

1360
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 2: at best.

1361
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: Getting into the bottom of the first as we saw

1362
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: teams do that because because there's a threshold there, don't

1363
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: forget where those first round draft picks, even if it's

1364
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: the thirty second player picked, they get a five year deal,

1365
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: not a four year deal, and you get an extra

1366
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: free year of service. That's what the Baltimore Ravens did

1367
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: with Lamar. You know this. They jumped in. They could

1368
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: have gotten Lamar way deeper, but they got the extra year,

1369
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: an extra margin of error to get it right with

1370
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: him financially, and they get him cheaper if he does

1371
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: turn out to be the guy that he is, So

1372
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: they did the right thing. That's that's a big thing

1373
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: when you get down to the bottom of the first

1374
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: of just getting across that threshold of saying he's got

1375
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: that extra year on the end of the guy's rookie contract.

1376
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 1: That's just another year cheap labor.

1377
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 2: A topic of discussion for you today, since we're through

1378
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 2: our guests for the show, how much are you willing

1379
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 2: to give up to land an a plus player for

1380
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 2: the Bills. You heard Matt Miller address it when I

1381
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 2: put the question to him. He said, you know, if

1382
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 2: I'm the Bills and I got a chance at a

1383
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 2: sure thing the caliber of Garrett, I'm probably gonna try

1384
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:55,799
Speaker 2: to do it, provided all the money works and everything.

1385
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:59,959
Speaker 2: That's a big butt, but still in all reigning defensive

1386
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 2: Player of the Year is available.

1387
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: For what is left resident I mean jj Watam to Arizona. Yeah,

1388
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: but that was very late the enders, right, he wasn't

1389
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,759
Speaker 1: twenty nine, No.

1390
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,759
Speaker 2: I think he was like thirty two, I want to say,

1391
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 2: which doesn't sound like a big difference, but yeah, NFL

1392
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 2: players will tell you out.

1393
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 1: It's been reported to by the people who cover the

1394
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: brown like Mary Kay Cabot, who has been covering the

1395
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns forever. She'll tell you the Browns have said

1396
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: there are no plans to trade Miles Garrett. They're going

1397
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: to try and make it work with him, right, that's

1398
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: the right thing to do.

1399
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: And let's not forget a team that was successful in

1400
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 2: doing that over the past couple of years has been

1401
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 2: the San Francisco forty nine Ers. Deebo Samuel asked for

1402
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 2: a trade out of San Francisco. He's still there three

1403
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 2: years later. Brandon Ayuk held out a training camp last summer,

1404
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: wanted out. They made it work. I mean he wanted

1405
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 2: out so bad and had the rest of the league

1406
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 2: so convinced the Browns restructure Tomari Cooper's contract so they

1407
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 2: could ship them to San Francisco to get Ayuk, and

1408
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 2: it never happened. So now are the forty nine Ers

1409
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 2: a much different franchise than the Browns from a success standpoint. Yes,

1410
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 2: They've been in two Super Bowls in the last three years,

1411
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 2: so it's a little bit different convincing that player to

1412
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 2: come back. Hey, come back to the family. We're a

1413
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 2: contending team. Let's do this. We're on the cusp let

1414
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 2: The Browns are not, and they are fiscal mess with

1415
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 2: all the money they still owe to Shaun Watson. So

1416
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 2: it's a harder cell.

1417
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: That's different from Miles Garrett sitting there. It's a harder cell, right,

1418
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: What are you really telling me here, I'm I'm gonna I.

1419
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 2: That's I mean, insert the insert the gift for Ron

1420
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 2: Burgundy going I don't believe you.

1421
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: I don't believe it is. That's where we all get it.

1422
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go back and and check. I don't

1423
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: know how because it's it's a real thing. If you

1424
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: get to the Brown and Miles Garrett, let's just see

1425
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: what he's His career earnings thus far are one hundred

1426
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: and twenty four million already. He doesn't need to go

1427
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: to training camp and he hold out a year. Oh yeah,

1428
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: he can deprive them of his services. He's already got

1429
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,839
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty four million dollars of career earnings already.

1430
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. He his kids and his grandkids don't have to

1431
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 2: work a day, and so he he is fortified for

1432
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 2: a siege.

1433
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: Right he can sit.

1434
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 2: And yeah, okay, if they don't move on it, yes.

1435
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:38,640
Speaker 1: He can say that's fine, don't don't We'll see. But

1436
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 1: that's that's not This isn't like Lamar Jackson or one

1437
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: of these first round draft picks who hasn't made him

1438
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,799
Speaker 1: many holding out in the first the fifth year. There

1439
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: where most of the money of their rickey contract is

1440
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: waiting for them at the fifth year. That's different. That's different. Yeah,

1441
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett has got you know, he's got food and

1442
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: water for as long as he need to hold out.

1443
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick phone call before the breakdown on

1444
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 2: the West Side. What you got for a tom?

1445
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,799
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, I wish you'd have left me more time.

1446
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 4: But anyway, I love that Matt and all you guys

1447
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 4: you've been talking about defense because I think the defense

1448
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 4: needs needs to be bolstered. And as much as we

1449
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 4: all love Judy, I would love to see Murray or

1450
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 4: I would love to see Cooper cup on the bills

1451
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 4: if he comes in on a white contract and he

1452
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 4: can play with the Murray Cooper and then all the

1453
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 4: fans could yell Coop all game long and they wouldn't

1454
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:45,799
Speaker 4: be wrong. But after that, I would love to see

1455
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 4: Jason Garrett come in here. But the only way that's

1456
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 4: gonna happen is if the Cleveland Browns eat some of

1457
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 4: his money because we can't afford his salary cap, and

1458
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 4: he can come in here and we could redo his

1459
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 4: contract and he could be the von Miller that we

1460
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 4: didn't get.

1461
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he might even be more than that based on

1462
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 2: where he has, where he is at this point in

1463
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 2: his career. It's just you're talking about Miles a Sex.

1464
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, not Jason Garrett. Miles Garrett. You got me on

1465
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: that one. I thought you were gonna you're whatever.

1466
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 2: You want to make a coaching move.

1467
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: Yes, I was about ready to bite you.

1468
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 2: It's understandable.

1469
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Yeah, Oh and it would be yes, let's

1470
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: not make any let's try not to make any personnel

1471
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: moves based on what the crowd will chant.

1472
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,759
Speaker 2: Right, But he's got he's got plenty, Tom's got plenty

1473
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 2: of the Bills money to spend. He's got Cup Cooper

1474
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 2: and Miles Garrett all coming.

1475
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: To the Bills, none of whom play for the Bills

1476
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: right now. So well, yeah, Cooper is going to be

1477
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: a free agent. I'm telling you right now. The problem

1478
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: with Miles Garrett is the economics on the Cleveland side

1479
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: of it, and for Buffalo fans, it's the problems with

1480
01:15:58,240 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: the cap on the Bill side of it. It's a

1481
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: lot of they got work to do. They got work

1482
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 1: to do.

1483
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 2: And it would have you presumably would send a player

1484
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 2: there to get dollars out because you're gonna have to

1485
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 2: redo his deal. He's gonna be looking for it. And listen,

1486
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 2: as most premier players are, you can't send a player

1487
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 2: to Cleveland because.

1488
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:20,679
Speaker 1: That that just means instead of a thirty six million

1489
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 1: dollar dead cap that you're giving them a player that's

1490
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 1: gonna cost him like twelve million, So that's forty eight million.

1491
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that doesn't help Cleveland's finance finances.

1492
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 2: That they want cheap labor.

1493
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: They want draft picks that are free because they aren't

1494
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: even here. They want draft picks in twenty five, twenty six,

1495
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: twenty seven, even because that they're free, and they can

1496
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: justify the deal because they're gonna get a first round

1497
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: pick in twenty six or twenty seven. They can't even

1498
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: take them this year because they can't pay him, you know,

1499
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: So they're in Cleveland is an absolute tire fire right now.

1500
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: And that's what's holding up this deal with Garrett, plus

1501
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 1: the fact that they don't want to if.

1502
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 2: They well they don't want to do like Matt Mills, if.

1503
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 1: They trade Miles Garrett. They're waving the white flag on

1504
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: this season on the first day of the league year.

1505
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 2: Well, right, but they're a four and thirteen team. Their

1506
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 2: quarterback position is a mess, their financial situation is a mess.

1507
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 2: They're not gonna win again by the time Garrett prime

1508
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 2: is done. I mean, he's got probably three more years

1509
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 2: of his prime career left. Are you telling me the

1510
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 2: Browns are gonna be a Super Bowl contender in that stretch? No?

1511
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 2: Not with their financial constraints. Right now. They're on the

1512
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 2: hook for ninety two point seven million dollars just for

1513
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 2: the quarterback for the next two years, and he might

1514
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 2: not even be healthy enough to play this year.

1515
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: The Browns gave Deshaun Watson that contract. How much can

1516
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: you rely on their ability to think that deeply through

1517
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:01,759
Speaker 1: this problem.

1518
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 2: Well, maybe that's a good thing for the Bills and

1519
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 2: everybody else interested.

1520
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 1: They may not. They weren't. They won't trade Miles Garrett.

1521
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 2: Well, well, if they want to be pig headed about it,

1522
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 2: be pig headed about it. But it's not good to

1523
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 2: have a player on your roster who doesn't want to

1524
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 2: be there. That's your culture is bad enough as it is.

1525
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 2: You're gonna make it worse by, you know, keep holding

1526
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 2: a guy person. I mean, that's not the way to go.

1527
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: If they don't want to make the deal for them

1528
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: it's better that Miles Garrett sits out because then they

1529
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 1: got a big fat excuse our best players doesn't want.

1530
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 2: To put something of value. Is not helping you in

1531
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 2: any way. At least have it help you buy subtraction

1532
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 2: because of what you can get in return for a

1533
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 2: premier player at his position. God, take a break here,

1534
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 2: more of your phone calls when we come back on

1535
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live presented by Collide Hell, it's Buffalo Bill's right,

1536
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 2: you're a One Bill's Live on a Tuesday, Chris Brown,

1537
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker and question on the table for you today,

1538
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 2: how much are you willing to give up to land

1539
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 2: an A plus player for the Bills. It is an

1540
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 2: interesting decision, to say the least.

1541
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: It's not as expensive as you think.

1542
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 2: No, and it's really and it's a it's a sure thing.

1543
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: It's an absolute slam dunk, which Miles next year with

1544
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: the group we have now, if you plug, if you

1545
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: took Vaughan off the team and put Miles Garrett on

1546
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:42,839
Speaker 1: the team, Miles Garrett would come in and have fifteen

1547
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 1: plus sacks a year next year with this same group

1548
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:45,839
Speaker 1: of guys.

1549
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 2: At fourteen and a half the last two years he

1550
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 2: would have his he would.

1551
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 1: He may set a career high in sacks at twenty.

1552
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm telling that guy, listen, he's going to be playing

1553
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: for a defense that is playing against an offense that

1554
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: is trying to catch Josh Allen. On this offense that

1555
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 1: scoring thirty points to a lot of pass rushing, he's

1556
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: gonna be in a He's gonna be in a garden

1557
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: of manure. That's how fertile it's gonna be. He's gonna be.

1558
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,600
Speaker 1: When you thought out of passing attempts, it's not.

1559
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 2: It's not out of the realm of conscious thought here.

1560
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 2: And it makes logical sense because in each of the

1561
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 2: last two seasons he's gotten fourteen and a half sacks

1562
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 2: on a team that often plays from behind on the scoreboard.

1563
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: Way behind.

1564
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, it is. It is a word. It is

1565
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 2: a logical conclusion to make.

1566
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 1: He is a monster.

1567
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 2: Let's get Let's go to Kevin and Hamburg next. What

1568
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 2: do you got for us? Kevin?

1569
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, how you doing? Thanks for taking my car

1570
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 8: when you said yesterday the Miles gear wanted to be

1571
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 8: treated to a team with a winner and he both

1572
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 8: said that Cleveland. It's up to Cleveland, not the Miles

1573
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 8: gear and it's up to Cleveland, you said, And I'm

1574
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 8: thinking of my teams have done this in the past

1575
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 8: when they did treat them.

1576
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 4: But they say, like, we are going.

1577
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 8: To treat someone in our own conference who could be

1578
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 8: a roadblock.

1579
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 4: I please sneaky.

1580
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 8: Idea and give them to someone like in the NFC.

1581
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 8: You know you don't want to give to someone in

1582
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 8: your own conference. Yeah, I've done tricks like Dad, Yeah,

1583
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 8: we'll give it Detroit, We'll give you a Dallas, Green Bay, whoever.

1584
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 8: But we ain't gonna give you that might be a roadblock.

1585
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 2: Right, I understand. I understand that approach. Kevin. I understand

1586
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 2: what you're saying, but I think in the grand scheme

1587
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 2: of it, it's what's.

1588
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: Hio State is a roadblock for the Cleveland Browns. What

1589
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: are they talking about? No, I mean give them, Kevin.

1590
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 2: I understand the premise, but I think what you have

1591
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 2: to remember is if the Browns get to the point

1592
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 2: where they say, look, we are at the point of

1593
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 2: no return, we can't convince Miles otherwise he does want out.

1594
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 2: Let's just make this happen. The Browns are going to

1595
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 2: do what is ultimately best for the Browns, and so

1596
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 2: the best compensation package they can a choir, whether it's

1597
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 2: from the Pittsburgh Steelers or the Timbuck two Raiders, they're

1598
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 2: going to do that package.

1599
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 1: They don't care if it's the Steelers.

1600
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 2: Now if the if the offers are relatively equal and

1601
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 2: it's the Steelers and the Rams, they'll take the Rams deal.

1602
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 2: But they're taking the thing and the package that's best

1603
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 2: going to help the Browns. I would like to think

1604
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 2: that they are smart enough to at least do that

1605
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 2: and not let oh my god, it's a division rival,

1606
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 2: right get in the way of getting the best trade compensation.

1607
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:40,600
Speaker 1: If the Browns do this, they listen the Browns. No,

1608
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: I mean they got no quarterback. Their quarterback they've got

1609
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: that is that Is has a travesty of a contract,

1610
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 1: has blown his achilles out twice now in the last

1611
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 1: means I mean they got nobody. They got nobody. Their

1612
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,719
Speaker 1: quarterback is a free agent. Jamis is a free agent.

1613
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson is injured, can't play, and it's not going

1614
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 1: to be able to play. So they got nobody. So

1615
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 1: they've got to know how tall, what an uphill battle?

1616
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 1: This is their job. One, Maybe if they are smart

1617
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 1: and ready to do it is to clean house, get

1618
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,440
Speaker 1: what they can get and start from the ground up financially.

1619
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: The whole shooting match, I don't think they're willing to

1620
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:30,600
Speaker 1: do that.

1621
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 2: They may be, I don't know what they're looking at.

1622
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're looking at. Yeah, they should

1623
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: trade Miles Garrett, they should trade Wyatt Teller. They should

1624
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 1: trade every good player they got. They got a couple,

1625
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: they should trade every good player. They've got to try

1626
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: and get as much as they can so they can

1627
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: get young, inexpensive players and start from the ground up

1628
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 1: and get their finances in order. I doubt that it's

1629
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: gonna be that's going to be the plan, because it's

1630
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: just too big a decision and they're some of their

1631
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 1: fans will get it, but they got to sit through

1632
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 1: a season or two off.

1633
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:10,679
Speaker 2: And they've done that before in the not too distant past,

1634
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 2: so that would be tough for fans to stomach as well.

1635
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 2: Let's go to Ryan in Toronto. What's up? Ryan?

1636
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:16,719
Speaker 4: Hey, Chris Steve.

1637
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 11: Honestly, I've got to be honest with you guys. This

1638
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 11: whole Miles Gael thing, I think it's not going to happen.

1639
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 4: With it, Bill, we don't have it.

1640
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 11: We have a draft with draft capital, but our draft

1641
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 11: is so far out it's not even worth it. For

1642
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 11: Kleagle pas me, I think a better options go up

1643
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 11: to Cooper Cup. Like Vanda Bean said, as I'm a

1644
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 11: honest we have number seventeen, Let's build around him. And

1645
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 11: this is an offensive driven league. Why are we going backwards.

1646
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:48,799
Speaker 11: Let's build the offense around Josh Allen and lets McDermot

1647
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 11: work at the players we have. And to be honest

1648
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,879
Speaker 11: with Miles do Gere and you and the Keven Browns,

1649
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 11: they're a better shot at trading with either Washington Commanders

1650
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 11: or the Neveland Patia. I think Mike Gable was part

1651
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 11: of the Cleveland Browns in the past season.

1652
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 2: It was a consultant.

1653
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 11: So I think this whole gay thing is out the

1654
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 11: window in my opinion.

1655
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll see. I mean, stranger things have happened.

1656
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 2: But I understand why you think that you know a

1657
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 2: team like Washington or maybe even like the Detroit Lions,

1658
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 2: who have a young quarterback in their pipeline that they

1659
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 2: could offer up to the Browns if they're interested in

1660
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 2: acquiring quarterback.

1661
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 1: They have Hendon Hooker Minnesota could do it with the

1662
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: kid from Michigan that was injured last year it got

1663
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 1: or they or they could do it with Sam Darnald

1664
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: if they signed Sam Donald or Tag or whatever. That's

1665
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 1: a possibility. But yeah, there are no question, Ryan, You're

1666
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: you're spot on. There are a handful at least of

1667
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 1: other teams who are way better positioned to work with Cleveland.

1668
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 2: Most importantly, Cap Washington's got wise to so.

1669
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,719
Speaker 1: And and you're right, that's a great call because Mike Vrabel,

1670
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 1: head coach of the Patriots, was in Cleveland last year,

1671
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: so he has seen that building and probably knows the

1672
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: best way to approach them with an offer, Uh, to

1673
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: make it palatable. Uh, there's a lot in that what

1674
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: you're saying, Ryan, and that's that's that's probably as good

1675
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 1: a call as we've gotten because there's so many teams.

1676
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett has universal appeal to every single team in

1677
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 1: the league. Everybody wants that dude. And even though he.

1678
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 2: Would prefer to go to a Super Bowl contender, it's

1679
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 2: not really his call. He Yeah, it's not really his

1680
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 2: call because you could say, ah, he wants to go

1681
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:38,560
Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl. He's not gonna do that in

1682
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 2: New England. He's not gonna want to go there too bad.

1683
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 2: It's not his call, or he just said I trade me.

1684
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: It could it could be the Raiders. It could be

1685
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah and Washington as well. It could be one of

1686
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 1: those teams out of the conference, that kind of thing

1687
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 1: which would appeal to the Browns. You're right, this is

1688
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: a This is about which teams are because this is

1689
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 1: a massive deal because of his contract. He's in his

1690
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 1: second contract and he's the defensive player of the year

1691
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 1: and the compensation you're giving up. It's okay, but it's

1692
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 1: also on Cleveland, so you're gonna have to make it

1693
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 1: worth it for Cleveland.

1694
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 2: There's a lot of layers.

1695
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of layers to it, and only a

1696
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: handful of little handful and a half of teams are

1697
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 1: in a position right now to even entertain it off

1698
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: the top of their head and say, well, we could

1699
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:25,600
Speaker 1: do this, this, this, and this.

1700
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here. We'll close it up in

1701
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 2: just a second here on one Bill's Live, Stay with

1702
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 2: Us all right, final segment here on a Tuesday, and

1703
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 2: gonna pop over to the tweet sheet real quick. Here.

1704
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:52,600
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1705
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:54,840
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1706
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 2: much would you give up to add an A plus

1707
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 2: player to the bills roster? Bro man Dude Guy says

1708
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 2: can hitering Bean's history of drafting. I'd say the third

1709
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 2: to seventh rounders are much more valuable than ones and twos.

1710
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 2: Trade away your firsts and seconds easier said than done.

1711
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 2: The Bills don't have any threes this year. They have

1712
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 2: two four's, two six's, and they may get a fifth

1713
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 2: or two in compensatory picks. So I don't know if

1714
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 2: you want to get rid of all three of your

1715
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 2: top picks, two of them, I'll listen to that. You

1716
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 2: don't you have to give a giveaway. You're not gonna

1717
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 2: have to do any of that later round pick next

1718
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 2: year two you're gonna.

1719
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 1: Have to give up two picks. You're gonna get one

1720
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,759
Speaker 1: back with a later pick exchanger rather throwing a player.

1721
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 1: You can do that as well. We were talking to

1722
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 1: what they would probably want is cheap players. So like

1723
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: you're talking about giving them some of the guys you've

1724
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 1: drafted recently, like like Dwayne Carter or Javon Solomon in

1725
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 1: the deal because they're making you know, just one hundred

1726
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 1: thousand rookie contract, right, they're on rookie contracts and they

1727
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 1: can play, and so you'd get you'd be paying them,

1728
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 1: you know, very little in return. You get a couple

1729
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 1: of rosters spots taken up by some guys that can

1730
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 1: really play, and they're cheap.

1731
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 2: Connor says, I'm willing to give up first rounders. Let's

1732
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 2: be honest, Buffalo isn't getting to proven a plus player

1733
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 2: at the back end of round one, being in my

1734
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 2: opinion as a master of drafting in the middle rounds,

1735
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 2: would be okay with letting go of this year and

1736
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 2: next year's one for Garrett. I don't know if you

1737
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 2: have to do that too.

1738
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: It'll take one plus a two. Yeah, that's not the issue.

1739
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:22,799
Speaker 1: That's not the problem.

1740
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 2: This is going to be a very compelling off season

1741
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 2: story like where does Garrett go? What is the price?

1742
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 2: And how does Cleveland fix their cap to make it work?

1743
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 2: Plenty of discussion on that, I'm sure the rest of

1744
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 2: the offseason. We'll be back tomorrow, Maddy glab gonna join us.

1745
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 2: We'll see it. Won