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Speaker 1: page on Apple Podcasts. Welcome back, All the Smoke Man,

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Speaker 1: coming to you from Dallas. Set the tone with the

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Speaker 1: boss man, mister Mark Cuban, And now we got one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest to ever do it.

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Speaker 2: Jack. Yeah. He shot a lot of jumpers in face,

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Speaker 2: both of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got one time.

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Speaker 2: We got him.

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Speaker 1: Know, we're going to talk about that a little later.

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Speaker 1: But man, this is long overdue. I mean your accolades

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Speaker 1: twenty one years, over, thirty thousand points, drank six All Time,

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Speaker 1: fourteen All Stars, seven MVP Finals MVP, and eleven newest

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Speaker 1: member to the Hall of Fame. Congratulations for that. That's

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Speaker 1: a great class. We'll get to that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Anything funny happened in that during that Hall of Fame weekend,

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Speaker 1: I mean it.

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Speaker 3: Was just unbelievable experience. Honestly, my family, I had like

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty people from all over the world

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Speaker 3: flying in some next teammates, So nothing really funny. You know,

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Speaker 3: me and me and d Wade had a little history,

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Speaker 3: so we actually we.

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Speaker 2: Bonded a little bit.

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Speaker 3: That weekend we filmed the podcast for his new new thing,

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Speaker 3: and so we actually got into some of the stuff

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Speaker 3: really happened in six and eleven and the fake coffin

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Speaker 3: they were doing, and so that was probably, uh, that

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Speaker 3: was probably the moment I would say, I didn't expect

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Speaker 3: that at all. Everything else was amazing, and uh and

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Speaker 3: and and just enjoyed every moment.

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Speaker 1: Well, you definitely deserved the man hell of a career,

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Speaker 1: hell of a run.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Germany recently took gold in the Feeble World Cup. If

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Speaker 1: someone told you back in the nineties that this is

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Speaker 1: what would be going on, would you ever would have

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Speaker 1: believed it?

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Speaker 2: No, no chance. Incredible.

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Speaker 3: I mean basketball's has grown, not only obviously in Germany,

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Speaker 3: to watch where the game has gone. When I first

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Speaker 3: They had some shooters as some some some defenders, so

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but they're building organizations around European players now, so

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Speaker 5: that's that's the testament to how they are developing now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, I mean to speak of it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the last five MVPs have all been international player, the Gianni,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's jump back to nineteen ninety eight Hoops Summit,

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Speaker 3: like I said that that game change changed everything really cool.

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Speaker 1: in a positive it wasn't positive from everyone's outlook.

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Speaker 2: I can't never feel guilty about doing what's best for you,

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Speaker 5: So growing up in American culture, movies, rap, basketball, how

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Speaker 3: I was a big nineties kid, you know, I loved

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Speaker 2: Had all that. I had all that. I had all that.

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Speaker 3: And then but when I came over, it a lot

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Speaker 3: My English show I was really shy my first year.

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Speaker 3: So it's been we can travel the world, which we've done,

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Speaker 3: So then I came over end of January, and then

442
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,719
Speaker 3: it was like from February till May, it was like

443
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,160
Speaker 3: a three months, crazy whirlwind season.

444
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,640
Speaker 2: So I was, uh, that was wild, but glad it.

445
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 2: I'm glad I got through it.

446
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,800
Speaker 1: First impression of Big Nelly done.

447
00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:04,479
Speaker 3: I mean, he was the master, mastermind was you know, honestly,

448
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 3: I was lucky. I was lucky to get to a

449
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 3: team where where he was. You know, I think back

450
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,639
Speaker 3: when I got started in the late nineties, there were

451
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 3: not a lot of coaches that wanted big guys to

452
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 3: shoot and pick and pop, and sometimes he brought the

453
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 3: ball up. And you know, if I would have ended

454
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 3: up somewhere else in another system, or even with Rick Patino,

455
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,880
Speaker 3: who helped me from the full court press, I don't

456
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 3: think that. I don't think that that would have worked

457
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,199
Speaker 3: well for me. I think so I was in a

458
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 3: perfect system with with Steve and Mike who supported me.

459
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 2: So I was. I was really fortunate there.

460
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 3: And and all Nelly was kind of doing was his

461
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 3: place was super simple. I mean, you guys know, it

462
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 3: was a high pick and roll, It was fisted up,

463
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 3: it was a fist side, and then there was these

464
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 3: elbow catches with some curls around and the rest was

465
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 3: let him, let him play.

466
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 1: So process is like the number one offense in the

467
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 1: league for a lot of different teams. When he ran it,

468
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: it was simple, but it got the job done. You

469
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 1: were in the golden era of power forwards. Kevin Garnet,

470
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 1: Him Duncan, Chris Weber, Rashid Wallas Been, Baker, Karl Malone, mcdce,

471
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 1: Juwan Howard. I know we're forgetting some but yeah, I mean,

472
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 1: that's a hell of a That was the strongest position

473
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 1: in the league, probably outside of center at the time.

474
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 2: And what was it like for you early on?

475
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 3: Oh man, it was it was tough every night I

476
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 3: had to bring in and the good thing was on

477
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 3: my defense. Obviously it was never great in my career,

478
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 3: but at the beginning it was really terrible. So what

479
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 3: they were doing is I would even if I would

480
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 3: end up on one of these guys, they would just

481
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 3: have me front, and so I had to work on

482
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 3: my fronting. As soon as they crossed, like the little

483
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,199
Speaker 3: free throw line, try to post me, I would just

484
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 3: try to wrestle my way around him. And as soon

485
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 3: as they love, here comes Sean Bradley over in seven

486
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 3: six and we'll kind of trap him. So that was

487
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 3: that was one defensive strategy. And the other was just

488
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 3: let the fives go out their force and I would

489
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 3: guard the fives just because you know they're they're these

490
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 3: guys were so good and they were I was a

491
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 3: mismatch to all these guys.

492
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 2: So you know, it's all Nelly.

493
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 3: Coming up with with with defensive things that we can

494
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 3: kind of get away with with me being on the court.

495
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 3: And stretching the court on offense and and getting away

496
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 3: with it on the defensive end. But at the end

497
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 3: of the day, we still try to outscore, you know,

498
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 3: Steve on the show, Finn posting up doing his all

499
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 3: around game, and I'm running around shooting, and so those

500
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 3: were some fun years.

501
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 4: Man.

502
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 2: We had with Nick van Exell, and we had he

503
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: was we had we had it. We had a good Nick,

504
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 2: good squad.

505
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 3: So but yeah, the power forward was loaded. And it

506
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 3: also of course made me better because I knew I

507
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 3: had to I had to bring my a game.

508
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: Every night every night.

509
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: Your first season you struggled a little bit. Second and

510
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 1: third season you started to find your stride. You know,

511
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: forty game, forty wins, fifty three wins. By year three

512
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: you're at twenty two ten and shooting forty from the

513
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: three point line, which is unheard of because as again,

514
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: people your size aren't really shooting threes at that time.

515
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 2: What clicked? Were you? What changed? Well?

516
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 3: It was fortunately my second year. You know, they saw

517
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 3: I was a little too slow for Actually I started

518
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 3: being a small forward because they knew I can't go

519
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 3: to any other power forwards. So I started small forward.

520
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 3: And then that was tough to keep up though, so

521
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 3: that they kind of saw, okay, this is not he's

522
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: not really a small forward in this league, so let's

523
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 3: try to play him a power forward. And then we

524
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 3: had a guy named Gary Trent. You guys probably remember him.

525
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 3: He was an ox so and he played amazing for

526
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 3: us my rookie year, and then he was clearly the

527
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 3: starter going in my second year, and which was totally fine.

528
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 3: I think I would have come just off the bench.

529
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: And then in pre season he tore his hamstring and

530
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 3: so basically there were not a lot of other power

531
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 3: forwards on the roster, so you know, we kind of

532
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 3: had to make it work, and that's when we came

533
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 3: up with all these defensive schemes. But then all of

534
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: a sudden, my year two, I went from not starting

535
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 3: in my first year to playing thirty thirty five minutes

536
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: to night and confidence, you know, got to play through

537
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 3: mistakes and learn from mistakes, and finally my language starting

538
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 3: to catch up. Now I had a full training camp

539
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: under me, I finally got an apartment in.

540
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: The car, was fully settled.

541
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: So I think all that I played in the year

542
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 3: two where year one was just so quick, and I

543
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 3: mean I had a rental car my whole year one.

544
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: I didn't really have time to get settled even so

545
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,719
Speaker 3: that that all played in, felt more comfortable off the floor,

546
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: and then had a lot of playing time, got to

547
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: learn and make some mistakes and they fellas obviously helped

548
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: me with everything. So that that was a big jump

549
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: from year one to year two, and that that year

550
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 3: two kind of set me up to keep going and

551
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 3: keep getting better, and that gave me a lot of confidence.

552
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: Real quick, jeffre you go, I want to say, hopefully

553
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: this is you someone else. Did you not know how

554
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: to use the A C in your car?

555
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: That was you? Right?

556
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: I heard a story about that summertime.

557
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: Tell us about that.

558
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: Well, you know, so I have my Year one. I

559
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 3: just had a rental Rentald car because I was literally here.

560
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 3: I knew I was here only for three months, and

561
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: uh and so I was I was coming to Rentald.

562
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 3: The guys were always killing me when I drop up

563
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 3: in my little mini car. And then uh, yeah, it

564
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 3: was going you know, the season was going longer. It

565
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 3: was going into May, and it was already getting warm,

566
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 3: and I'd come to the game and I had a

567
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 3: couple of sweat drips on my forehead and they're like,

568
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 3: where are you coming from? You know, you run in

569
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 3: or something. And one day I'm like, nice, it's always hot.

570
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 3: I've got to drive with my uh and roll down

571
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 3: my windows it's so hot. And then something yeah, but

572
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 3: they actually showed me. So there's this button that's a

573
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 3: C and yeah, I didn't have that in my first

574
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: car in Germany and I didn't have an A C.

575
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: But and so I had no idea. I kept, you know,

576
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: putting the fan up, but it was it was blowing

577
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: warm air. So I always came to the game sweaty,

578
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: and then until until upon the A C button, and

579
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 3: that's uh change phenomena.

580
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 5: I think it's called yogging with the soft JA.

581
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 2: That's funny, yoggy. I gotta see ron Berg. Dennis Rodman

582
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: had a brief stand here. What was that? Like? I

583
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: was wild.

584
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a big Chicago Bulls fan in the

585
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 3: nineties there obviously, uh so he was. He was one

586
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 3: of my heroes. And then you know, q S bought

587
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: the team the second my second year, halfway through and

588
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, we need to make a splash here,

589
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 3: we need to get on the map. This is a

590
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: cowboys town and I want to bring the the Mavericks back.

591
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna sign Dennis Rodman.

592
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: Who were like, are you serious?

593
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 3: But he ended up doing it and it was it

594
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 3: was quite an experience, so he uh every time. So

595
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: as a team meeting, we usually meet with Nelly, obviously

596
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: with forty minutes before the game.

597
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: So the first game we have.

598
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: Dennis Robman, We're all kind of like excited he's starting.

599
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 3: So forty minute rolls around. He gets up, Nell's about

600
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: to start the film. Robin gets up and goes take

601
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: a shower, like okay, so he comes back. He didn't

602
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: see the video, he doesn't know the coverages, so he

603
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 3: just goes out and kind of does Sometimes he squeezes,

604
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: sometimes he hedges a little bit, sometimes he does nothing.

605
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, maybe he just did it

606
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: one time. Second game, forty minutes on o'clock, he gets

607
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 3: up in showers, so he missed all the pregame meetings

608
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 3: before the game and had no idea about the coverages

609
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: that we're doing and kind of did his own thing,

610
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 3: And I was like, that was just his routine. At

611
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: forty minutes before the game, he was he was showering,

612
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 3: and then and then after the game he would just

613
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: put his own gear on and would go lift hard

614
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 3: for like an hour and a half, two hours. Wouldn't wouldn't,

615
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: wouldn't be with the team, would just be fine, fine,

616
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: his his his workout room and he had his little

617
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: workout coach, and then they were just lifting heavy for

618
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 3: like an hour and a half after the game. And

619
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 3: then he just put on a cowboy hat with these

620
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: long feathers, didn't shower and just walked right out the arena.

621
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 3: And it was and then media scrum would chasing him

622
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: and he's and he's mumbling something is it was a

623
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 3: comedy side show. And then it just wouldn't work. It

624
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 3: wasn't working well that those couple of games he was here,

625
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 3: and but it was definitely a splash.

626
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: I mean, you know that the arena.

627
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: Was full, and he got kicked out of one game.

628
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: He sat on the court for a while and the

629
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: rest didn't want to throw him out. I mean, there

630
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: was a lot of stuff happened, which was a cool

631
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: experience for me, I guess as a young guy growing up,

632
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 3: but it just basketball wise, it just unfortunately didn't work.

633
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: How did you get your signature.

634
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: Move well, I think I started shooting that later. You know,

635
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: in the twenties, you have the power, somebody's crowded, you

636
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: try to rip through and get the basket, get fouled

637
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: a lot. And just as I gotten older, I lost

638
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: the step and you know, I didn't want to do

639
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: all the grinding get fouled, So I looked for for

640
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: a shot that I can do with without a lot

641
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: of you know, effort.

642
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: You know I'm tall.

643
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: It was just one or two bumps and lean back.

644
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: I knew nobody can get to the shot. So that's

645
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: really how I started shooting a little bit at the beginning.

646
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: And you know, of course I had the support from

647
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: the coaches because you know, not a lot of guys

648
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: wanted to shoot a one leg fade away, but you know,

649
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: they saw it go in a little bit, and I

650
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: was practicing it a little bit, and so I started

651
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: shooting and mostly that that year we actually had the

652
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: championship run and things were going really well there and

653
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: I made most of them. So I was like, okay,

654
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: this is a good weapon for me going forward, because

655
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: you know, guys was really starting to crowd me because

656
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: losses to a step or two and then uh, this

657
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: was just a way for me to still stay efficient

658
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: and and and still be a decent score even in

659
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: old age.

660
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: He's a decent kind of right.

661
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: Uh oh three, you hurt your knee in game for

662
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: how tough is that? I mean, obviously changed the series dramatically,

663
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: uh mentally kind of your first injury in the n

664
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: B A big injury in the n B. A.

665
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was terrible.

666
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: We were That was the year when we had Van

667
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: Exel and he was he was amazing for him to

668
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: believe we had we had a fun crew that year.

669
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: I still think you guys would have been us, honestly.

670
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: I mean you guys were were so solid and with

671
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: with Timmy and and everybody. I mean, I still don't

672
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: think even if I'm healthy, we win that series. But

673
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: at least seven it would it would have been It

674
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: would have been interesting. It would have been interesting. I think,

675
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: like we had such a we had such a good run,

676
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: but they were so jugging out on defense that our

677
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: offense never really clicked the way we wanted it because

678
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: they were so smart, well coached, and you know, Timmy

679
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 3: in the middle, and so I'm not sure we would

680
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: have beaten, you guys, But that was brutal to sit there,

681
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: and I think it was monoil. I fell into my

682
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: knee and I just sprained my knee, and I wanted

683
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 3: to play so bad the next game. And then actually

684
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 3: I even went to the pregame workout and I looked okay,

685
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 3: And that's where actually Nelly and Cuban went into it,

686
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: got in a little bit and they were never on

687
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: the same page again. I think Cubes wanted me to

688
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: play the way I worked out pregame, and Nelly was like, listen,

689
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: he's twenty three longer, long career had him, I'm not

690
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 3: going to play him, and so they didn't see Eyda

691
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: I actually ever since after that. So but yeah, going

692
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: back now, I think it was the right decision not

693
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: to play because I was so young, and even just

694
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 3: standing there watching some of the game, I felt my

695
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: knee was getting a little weak, a little sore, and

696
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: so I think it was the right decision not to play.

697
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: But of course it was. I mean, it was tough we.

698
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 5: Put him in the game playing game six because they

699
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 5: they were saying he was going he was saying he

700
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 5: was going to play, and it was game six.

701
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: We just knew he was going to play, he didn't

702
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: put that uniform. And then we had remember we had

703
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: Wald Williams.

704
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: After every three he gave a shake and then we

705
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: were up going to fourth like fifteen points, and there

706
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 3: comes Steve Kerr. I don't know, we didn't have him

707
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: on the on the radar at all, and he came

708
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: in and we obviously trapped Timmy every.

709
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: Time down and.

710
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: Then Steve had like four or five. Hasn't played all year. Again,

711
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: it was the whole bang game too. Yeah, I don't

712
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: think he played that playoffs, the whole Steve I'm not sure,

713
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: but he did. He comes in drains four threes and

714
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: completely changed the game. And that was That was a

715
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: tough one. And maybe I would have tried to play

716
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 3: in seven, but well, we'll never know.

717
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: But like I said, you guys were I had twenty

718
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: three a game. Yeah, easy, twenty three. You went out there,

719
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: so it was cool.

720
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: Six up too, oh against Miami in the finals and

721
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: d Wade and Sheck company come back when you guys

722
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: and went four straight.

723
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: What was that like? Mentally?

724
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 3: Well, you know, there were a couple of low points

725
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: in my career. That was definitely one of them. You know,

726
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: we left here to oh feeling good. The Dallas Morning

727
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 3: News and newspaper here had the parade route or in

728
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: the paper. Wow, so it's big enough a jink.

729
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: So you can't do that.

730
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: You can't you can't do that. But we were we

731
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: were kind of going down there. Things are going well,

732
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: we think we're going to win this, and then we're

733
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: still played well in game three and we were still

734
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 3: up with like a couple of minutes ago, we were

735
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: we were still up, and then uh, you know, we

736
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: ended up losing that game, and then things kind of.

737
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: Just fell apart. I think we're still too young.

738
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 3: We were quite ready for that stage, and that was

739
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: really that was the way it's coming out party. I mean,

740
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: he was unguardable, picking rolls, getting to the basket at

741
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 3: will and starting to make some shots. We couldn't keep

742
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: him in front of us, and so, uh, yeah, we

743
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: ended up losing, got blown out in game four, switched

744
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 3: hotels before game five. Avery snapped on us after game four,

745
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 3: it's like too much family here.

746
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: I went out.

747
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: So we moved somewhere to fund Lauderdale and uh and

748
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 3: try to stop the bleeding, and then lost a close

749
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 3: one in Game five again and then lost it here

750
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: in game six. So you know, I was, I was

751
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: really frustrated disappointed, But honestly I was I was thinking, Okay,

752
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: I'm I'm in my prime, I'm ready for this, and

753
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 3: we're going to be back. We have a good team.

754
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 3: We're bringing the same team back again next year. And

755
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: uh so I wasn't as disappointed in O six.

756
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: As as I actually was in O seven.

757
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 5: But looking back at that though, do you see something

758
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 5: that you could have switched after game too to make

759
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 5: that series go indifferently?

760
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: I'm man at it. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know.

761
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, d Wade was was incredible

762
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 3: that series.

763
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know if we could have.

764
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: Trapped them more trying to keep them out the lane,

765
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. But their role players started to play

766
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 3: better too, and and you know they had Entin Walker

767
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 3: and Gary Payton and Posey that that's some good players.

768
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: And then you know, they started to get more confidence

769
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: after that first win and they started to play better,

770
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 3: shoot better from the outside. You know, Haslam is a

771
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: great player. Always had a lot of respect for him.

772
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: He's He's probably one of the guys that guarded me

773
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: best throughout my career. So they had they had a

774
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 3: good team, and so which if we finished that game

775
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 3: three off with a little more experience, I think that

776
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 3: then we have it. But since we let them, we

777
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 3: let them get some life and get some they got

778
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: hyped and and and played even harder, and then you

779
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 3: know that's yeah, the rest was history.

780
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: Next season MVP sixty plus wins. Nelly took this personal,

781
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: like we weren't even supposed to be in the playoffs,

782
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: but he said, if we get in the playoffs, we're

783
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: going to play Dallas and we're gonna beat him.

784
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: And that's all I care about life.

785
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he quit. I don't quits a big well,

786
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: he might have checked out after he didn't give a

787
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: damn after that. So that that season again, Hughes sixty

788
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: five win, sixty seven wins, sixty eight wins.

789
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: Sixty seven seven wins.

790
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: You're the MVP one verse eight, What is your thought

791
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: going into that series?

792
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: Verse?

793
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: Because we actually played you guys well that season, although

794
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: we were out of the mix at the time, we

795
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: played you guys well.

796
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, So where's and O six? Like I said, I

797
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 3: wasn't that frustrated. Of course, I was a little disappointed,

798
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: as I was like, I'm in my prime. Next year

799
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 3: we're coming in where we have the same team, We're

800
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 3: going to roll. Started season off one to four win

801
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: in a double overtime in Phoenix. We're about to go

802
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: on five and we win and then roll the rest

803
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: of the season. It was just one of those roles

804
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 3: where like we're on the road somewhere down the fourth

805
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 3: quarter and we just looked at each other and Jet

806
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: like where we're going to We're gonna come up with this.

807
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 3: We're gonna get some big starts and we need him

808
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: and we're going to just find some offense and give

809
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: the ball to me and Jet and we'll make it happen.

810
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: So there was We had a crazy amount of confidence

811
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: during that whole season and then here come the Warriors,

812
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: and I didn't we didn't love playing you guys.

813
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: I gotta say it's that was. That was a tough matchup.

814
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 2: That was. Yeah, you could laugh. I wish I could lay.

815
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 2: We didn't love playing Yeah, I wish I could laugh.

816
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: Now you were.

817
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: You guys were a tough matchup for us. Not only

818
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: did Nellie know every every strength of ours since he

819
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 3: coached us and he knew exactly.

820
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: What to do.

821
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 5: Bro, I had tape on you just you your moves

822
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 5: just up to about thirty minutes.

823
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: Is just your tape, bro.

824
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 3: Well, there were a lot of move There was always

825
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: going left. You always said you can only you can

826
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 3: only go left. No, But you also had a lot

827
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: of teams obviously had the blueprint, but they didn't have

828
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 3: the personnel.

829
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: To pull it off.

830
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys had a small team that always gave

831
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: me problems and other problems. You guys are running in

832
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: the post. Usually I can catch on anybody. We had

833
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: a tough time getting the ball to me. Passed it

834
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 3: first of all. Then every time I drove one way

835
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: and I spun where I came the trappin, He's gonna

836
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: I like shooting out of my spin.

837
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: So then when I.

838
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 3: We didn't have a great shooting team, or we didn't

839
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: have a great passing team. So both of these things,

840
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: you guys just just took advantage of.

841
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 2: It. Was it was tough.

842
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: I couldn't stop the bleeding. I didn't I didn't shoot well.

843
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 3: I mean that was That was probably my worst playoff

844
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 3: series that I've played. And all the credit obviously to

845
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: you guys. And that was that was tough. And then

846
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: I took seven almost harder than six, because you know,

847
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: maybe I had such high expectations.

848
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: We beat the Spurs like three out of four that

849
00:38:59,360 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: the year.

850
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 3: Mind, I'm saying, we're we're winning the championship that year,

851
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 3: and and I had so much made so much pressure

852
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 3: on myself, and then maybe maybe I was even froze

853
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: up a little bit too much.

854
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: I didn't play loose.

855
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 3: Against you guys and have fun, and so that was

856
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 3: that was one of that was one of the toughest.

857
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: I felt like almost embarrassed for for a couple of weeks.

858
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: I didn't want to leave my house. I didn't want

859
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 3: to go to the m v P ceremony.

860
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: Take the m v P. You know, usually back in

861
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: the days, the m.

862
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: V P ceremony was during the second round, during the pregame.

863
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: We didn't have a game anymore, so I had to

864
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: put a pseudo on and go down there, and it

865
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: was just it was just awkward. I didn't want to

866
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: be there. So every time I see my m v

867
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 3: P trophy not at home, it's unfortunately in my mind,

868
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 3: I think you guys, I think all the smoke.

869
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: When I see my my.

870
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: Dumb hair or something at the wall in Oracle.

871
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: Because I've never heard the story how that happened.

872
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm always I was just pissed off. I'm

873
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: not quite sure how it happened. Somebody said it was

874
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 3: a trash can. Uh, somebody said it was a chair.

875
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 3: I don't think a trash can could actually make a

876
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: hole like this, so I I can actually can't remember.

877
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: How it happened. But yeah, afterwards, somebody said, yeah on

878
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: the wall.

879
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: And they hung we believe Jersey up next to like

880
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: the mass.

881
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was there forever it was different, which was great.

882
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys had had a fun team.

883
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: I think you know, with all due respect you winning

884
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: MVP as good as your team, you came back with

885
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: the different you were different the next year though. We

886
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: felt like like we like we helped you.

887
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: You came back a different dirt.

888
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 3: Well, you know, as it is in life, you have

889
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: to learn from from tough situations, from tough tough moments,

890
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: and I felt like, you know, you guys pushed me

891
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: to be better a little bit with my back to

892
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 3: the basket. You know that was I mentioned it earlier.

893
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 3: I always liked to face like to drive and then spend.

894
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: It was just a little too predictable. So you know,

895
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: I said, you have to add, you have to add

896
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 3: more to your game. You have to work car the

897
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 3: summer and be a better be better leader, and more

898
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 3: complete players. So I got a lot more comfortable, you know,

899
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: posting up then and even if it was free throw

900
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: line or or down the box, and I would never

901
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: even still then I would not.

902
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: Out muscle you and get to the basket.

903
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: But I was more comfortable there operating in that area

904
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 3: and shooting over smaller guys, shooting fadeaways. And then the

905
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 3: one legger came and so I think, yeah, you guys

906
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 3: forced me to get back in the lab and and

907
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 3: get better and push and and I always say, without

908
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: the disappointments in O six and O seven, I wouldn't

909
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: have been the closer and.

910
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 2: Eleven, I think that's that's very true.

911
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 3: You know, you have to go through tough times and

912
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: and and learn from from some tough mistakes and and

913
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 3: and get better. And so that was you guys pushed

914
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: me to be to be better.

915
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: So eight and ten, you guys are building. You bring

916
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: in Jason Kidd, tricks, Sean Mary and Paysia Karan who

917
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: doesn't help you get down the stretch run.

918
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: Because he gets hurt over a big piece.

919
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle as well, what are all those pieces being

920
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: to you?

921
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 3: So actually when we made I was like, okay, oh seven,

922
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 3: we still had the best team going to A eight.

923
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: We lose to you guys, but we're we won sixty

924
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: seven games, we're straight, we're good. And then the oaits

925
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 3: even started and stuff is just not going as well,

926
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 3: and it actually shows don't take stuff for granted. Man,

927
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: Sometimes things can change in a heartbeat within one season.

928
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 3: You know, all of a sudden, we're not right there anymore.

929
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: We're not with the best team. All of a sudden,

930
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 3: teams have passed us by. And then our window from

931
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: six and seven all of a sudden looked closed. And

932
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: so things were going well at all in the wait season,

933
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: and then we did the trade at that also game

934
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: for Jake Kidd.

935
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: We felt like his leadership is.

936
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 3: Is you know, like I mentioned earlier, weren't great passing,

937
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: We were on great, great playmaking. We had some good

938
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: scores at the guard, but not not getting everybody involved playmakers.

939
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: And so we made the deal for for j Kid

940
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: at the All Star Game, and and that didn't pan

941
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 3: out that we wanted to at the beginning either. So

942
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 3: they were in eight to ten, there was there were

943
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: a lot of changes. You know, we still had Avery

944
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 3: when uh, when Jay Kidd first came, and then you know,

945
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: Carla took over, I believe in the eight or nine season.

946
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: Then we did the big trade with with Washington to

947
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: bring in Heywood d Steve who was crazy and uh

948
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: and uh of course Karan and so they fit in well,

949
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, you know, there the windows

950
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: open again.

951
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: We felt like we had a good team.

952
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 3: We had some veterans and yeah, and going into that

953
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 3: you know, ten to eleven season, we felt like we

954
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: had a good team. I don't think we were necessarily favorites,

955
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 3: but we felt like we had some veterans and we.

956
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: Had a good start to the season.

957
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 3: And then I got hurt right around Christmas time, and

958
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 3: then so I was out. I was hurt, and then

959
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: New Year's Day, I'll never forget. We're in Milwaukee, that's

960
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 3: where Karan is from, and I'm sitting out in a

961
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: suit because I'm not playing, and Karan goes up for

962
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: a rebound and just screams and lays on the ground

963
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: and I'm so, we're all rushing over there, and I

964
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: see literally he tore his patel attendant and his his

965
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 3: kneecap had dislocated, so it sat, it sat on top

966
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: on his skigh. I'm like, I'm trying to dry heath.

967
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: It was.

968
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: It was nasty, and so our trainer was like, oh

969
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 3: my god, we need wheelchair. Wheelchair And that was one

970
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: of the toughest things I was saying. I mean, Kuran,

971
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: it's pretty tough. So he heard wheelchair and he's from Wisconsin.

972
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 3: His grandmother was there, his family. He's like, I'm not

973
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 3: I'm not getting out here in a wheelchair. So he's

974
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 3: like I watched him push his kneecap down by himself

975
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 3: and he gets up and starts hopping. You know how

976
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 3: in the old Milwaukee arena that was to go back

977
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: to the locker, and he walked out on his own power.

978
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: I said, this, this guy, this guy is built different.

979
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 3: And uh but then you know, here we go again.

980
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 3: We think in our our windows closing, you know, losing up.

981
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: He was probably our second best scar. I think he

982
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: was our second best scorer the year. And so we're like,

983
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: oh god, here it goes again. Right, It's just a

984
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: bunch of bad luck. And but I would say that

985
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: he he motivated us, inspired us the way he wanted

986
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: to come back and fought and attacked rehab. I mean

987
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: he was almost ready to play in that in that

988
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 3: final series in eleven.

989
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: I mean he was. He was a beast.

990
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 3: And every day watching him, how he how he handled himself,

991
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: how he attacked that rehab, That that really motivated us,

992
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: and that that inspired us for that ten to eleven run.

993
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: Blazers Lakers, Okay see Miami.

994
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 5: Twenty eight points were gained, forty nine percent field goal,

995
00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 5: forty throw line gee Woolakers took down Kobe kat and

996
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 5: Lebron We call that as you know, on one, he

997
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 5: was definitely on one.

998
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: Well what mind frame will you win?

999
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: We had a good run, you know, I started. We

1000
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: started against Portland. They they gave us some problems there.

1001
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah that Marcus roy b roy still they had they

1002
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 3: had a good team, they were they were smart. Uh,

1003
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: and so we didn't play the well there. We almost

1004
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: lost one at home and I took us, we took

1005
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: us well to get going. And then I felt like

1006
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: we lost both both games in Portland and it was

1007
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 3: it was two two coming back here, and that's still

1008
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 3: I remember to this day. I was like, we're not

1009
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 3: going to lose to them. We're not going to lose

1010
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 3: Game five on our home court. And I don't know

1011
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: why I said that to I usually don't say much

1012
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 3: in the team meetings and stuff. I'm a quiet guy.

1013
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: Let the coaches do their thing. But that day, I'm like,

1014
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: even in the pregame meeting, I was like, they're they're

1015
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: not beating us.

1016
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: Where we got that, you know, you know what they do.

1017
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: Your teammate to hear Dirk say that, you.

1018
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 5: In the back of the locker room quires, no, it

1019
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 5: ain't beating us today.

1020
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody. Yeah, I just felt that.

1021
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: I just felt that because in Game four we were

1022
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: up like twenty and b Roy made that magical run

1023
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: and they beat us, and I just had that that's

1024
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: not going to happen again. And so and then from

1025
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: there we started a role. We started a roll. We

1026
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 3: won Game five at home, beat them in game six,

1027
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 3: went straight down to LA and stole a miracle Game

1028
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 3: one where Kobe was like hot at like forty I

1029
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: think it could seem like he couldn't miss, and we

1030
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 3: basically stole that one at the buzzer and from there,

1031
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, we just we just got confidence was

1032
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 3: getting better, and we had the roles were defined perfectly right.

1033
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: You had you had Tricks and Kid and Tyson. They

1034
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: were the defenders right on offense, we knew Jet and

1035
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 3: I and JJ we were going to wheel and deal

1036
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 3: and do our thing, and obviously we had some shooters,

1037
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 3: but I felt like we're our roles were perfectly defined,

1038
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 3: and we had, you know, a great bench that we

1039
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 3: can change the tempo.

1040
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: A little bit.

1041
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: So uh yeah, I don't know. It was just a

1042
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 3: magical time. We had Pager that we signed somewhere in February,

1043
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 3: I think we got bought out in Toronto and we

1044
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 3: took a chance on it. He did it looked like

1045
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: he could play with his back, and he rehabed for

1046
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: two three months every day and then gave us unbelievable

1047
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 3: ron there made some huge shots in the Lakers and

1048
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: Okay Ce series, and so everything that we did that

1049
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 3: year kind of panned out, and I know it's fortunate.

1050
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: I guess you guys ended up getting to the top

1051
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: of the mountain on a hell of a journey. Were

1052
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: there ever times Cube talked about it at some point

1053
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: in your career, trying to get Paul Pierce, trying to

1054
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: get Kobe. Was there ever a time you possibly thought

1055
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: about hitting the market or possibly playing for someone else?

1056
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so I four years was the rookie deal,

1057
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: and then basically right right in the my last year,

1058
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: I believe on my rookie deal, I signed a max

1059
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: deal signed just you know, the same deal that Vince

1060
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 3: signed back in the days, and Paul we signed a

1061
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: six year deal. And then I wasn't I TDT really

1062
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 3: hit free agency till my tenth year in the league,

1063
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: So I was I think I was free agents there

1064
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: in twenty ten and right before actually the championship year,

1065
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: and you know, I didn't want to go anywhere.

1066
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 2: I loved it here.

1067
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 3: It's been ten years, but you know, do you think about, hey,

1068
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: are we ever going to get back to the stage.

1069
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 3: And so I went to since I really didn't have

1070
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 3: an agent. Hold girl was helping me with some of

1071
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: that stuff, but I didn't have an agent, So I

1072
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: just went over to Mark's Houston. We sat down on

1073
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 3: his couch and you know, just reminisced and talk for like,

1074
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: you know, two hours on what we've done and how

1075
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 3: fun this run was, and I said, okay, let's let's

1076
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 3: run it back.

1077
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: And then.

1078
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: Both got a little emotional talking about the old days.

1079
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: And then I ended up signing that four year deal,

1080
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: and then we ended up winning the championship and in

1081
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 3: year one and so it's yeah, it worked out perfect.

1082
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: And then of course I knew I wasn't gonna go

1083
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 3: anywhere after winning the championship. That would have been the

1084
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 3: only reason to go somewhere at the end to chase

1085
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 3: something or maybe chase a ring. But since since we

1086
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 3: got it done here, I never I never had to

1087
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 3: do that.

1088
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: Luca.

1089
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: He came in your last season, extremely talented. We talked

1090
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: about off camera, Jack, did did you see this? You're like,

1091
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if we saw to this extent, but

1092
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: he's been special. What is your relationship with him like?

1093
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: And what how's it been just being able to see

1094
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: him play night in, night out.

1095
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:32,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1096
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: So when once we uh, my my end of career

1097
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: wasn't pretty. You know, we're struggling. There was some talk

1098
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 3: of tanking going on, and you know, just things didn't

1099
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: go well here for this franchise and uh, and we

1100
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 3: needed a little spark blog to change things. And uh

1101
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: and here I didn't I didn't think that was gonna.

1102
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: Be this kid. I didn't think it was going to

1103
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: be this kid.

1104
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: When he walked in the first time here in this

1105
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 3: practic facility, you know, he looked, he's sick.

1106
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: He's a big boy.

1107
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 3: But I'm like, I'm not sure this is gonna work.

1108
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 3: Is he quick enough? Is he athletic enough to go

1109
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: by guys like he is in Europe? And so there

1110
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: were there were plenty of doubts there from from everybody

1111
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 3: on the team. And you know how you meet already

1112
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: before training camp starts. Uh, you know, you meet a

1113
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 3: month before and you hoop every day and you work

1114
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: out together. And so guys were trying to test him

1115
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 3: a little bit and you know, foul him a little

1116
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 3: bit here and there, and there scrimmages and and you

1117
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: can already see that this kid's got something about him.

1118
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 3: He's got that swag. He knows how to play. He

1119
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 3: was he was getting some in one mixtape, passes out

1120
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 3: of nowhere, and I'm like, he was, he was flashing

1121
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 3: some of the talent. So we were we were we

1122
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 3: were thinking, man, he's he's going to be a really

1123
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 3: good player.

1124
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: But I didn't think he was going to go to

1125
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 2: that levels, right, I mean, he's a couple. Yeah.

1126
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 3: I think it was last season or before he averaged

1127
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 3: triple double for an entire month. I mean, I didn't

1128
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 3: see that coming. So in my first year, unfortunately my

1129
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 3: last my last year, his first year, I was I

1130
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 3: was hurt a lot. I missed the first thirty forty games,

1131
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: so I didn't really get to spend you know, I

1132
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 3: didn't even go on road trips the first couple of months,

1133
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: so that was a little tough. I didn't really get

1134
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: to spend as much time around him as I wanted to.

1135
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: But I mean that was his time to shine.

1136
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 4: You know.

1137
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 3: We looked to him and he he you know, he

1138
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 3: took the took the ball and took it from there.

1139
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 3: And yeah, just really proud of how he developed and

1140
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: my role with him. I guess we're we're friends where

1141
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: we're cool, we're you know, when I'm town, we go

1142
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 3: to dinners or whatever. Mento would be a little strong

1143
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: because he doesn't really need me. I mean he's he's

1144
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 3: as you guys see, he's he plays like a thirty

1145
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 3: two year old veteran. Now he reads the game, how

1146
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 3: he carries himself on the court, And I mean I didn't.

1147
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: Really I wish.

1148
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 3: I would love to say I helped him and talk

1149
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 3: to him about it, but it's just the guy just came.

1150
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: He's been a pro since he's like eleven years old,

1151
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 3: and that's how he it's the game like there's nothing

1152
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 3: can rattle him during the game, and he just does

1153
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: his thing and and and so his his development has

1154
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 3: been incredible, and I didn't think he couldet better from

1155
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 3: year to ear, but he's he's still showing it and

1156
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 3: I'm super happy for him.

1157
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 2: How you do anything is how you do everything. That's

1158
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: cute saying talk about it.

1159
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Mark obviously has been a big influence

1160
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 3: on my career and my life as well. Uh he

1161
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 3: bought the team in my second year, and we've developed

1162
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 3: a great friendship and relationship and uh he was always

1163
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: my number one supporter when stuff was going right. Uh

1164
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: even off the floor, he was there helping me out

1165
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 3: with stuff and uh so he was a big influence

1166
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 3: for me and he was always loyal to me. So yeah,

1167
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 3: we've we've had a great friendship. I mean, I say

1168
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 3: this all the time. How many owners go to.

1169
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: Their best players bachelor party in Vegas? But he he

1170
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: was there.

1171
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: Bit yeah, so we had a special bond and relationship

1172
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 3: and so yeah, and that's at the beginning. He was

1173
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 3: literally so fired up when he bought the team. He

1174
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 3: was at every practice, at every road game, he was

1175
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 3: sitting in the players section, on the on the plane

1176
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: and so he was he was constantly around. And his

1177
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 3: energy and and you know, his savviness is the way

1178
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: he cares himself kind of also obviously carried over to

1179
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 3: the team. So he was he was a big influence

1180
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 3: on being on the Mavericks sport.

1181
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: He said something that kind of surprised me when he

1182
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: said when he first got the team because it was

1183
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: new to him. So he said, guys like you and

1184
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: Steve and Mike kind of helped him learn the ropes

1185
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: and what it's like in the locker room and how

1186
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: players like things and and it was refreshing for me

1187
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: to hear, because you think, someone who's got a bunch

1188
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: of money and this is my team or my way.

1189
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: He was more really almost like a player's owner, so

1190
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: to speak, as far as kind of getting to really

1191
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: know what you guys like and dislike.

1192
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 3: He yeah, he changed everything, you know, And when when

1193
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 3: I first got here, you know, we were doing the

1194
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 3: bare minimum. We were staying you know, Mary Odds and

1195
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 3: all that, and we had the flight flights that everybody had,

1196
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 3: those old planes. And then he was like, okay, we

1197
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 3: need to change some stuff around. I want to I

1198
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 3: want to put I want free agents to come here

1199
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 3: and look at Dallas as the spot to be. And

1200
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 3: so he just started to turn everything around. Money at

1201
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 3: that point at the beginning didn't matter at all. He

1202
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 3: bought a new plane, he built a new arena. We

1203
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 3: started to stay at these nice hotels. We started have

1204
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 3: good catering after we didn't have any food.

1205
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: My first cater for the team. Yeah, we started that.

1206
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: He wanted to show basically the visiting teams, hey, you know,

1207
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 3: we take care of you guys here.

1208
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: It's just imagine what it's like.

1209
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,959
Speaker 3: He just planning a little seed, you know, Hey, hey guys,

1210
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 3: we will take care of you guys here. So and

1211
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 3: so he was just like I said, resources were not

1212
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 3: the problem. He put everything in and he took care

1213
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 3: of his players, and he took him made that trade

1214
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 3: with Washington when we got jrew On where we took

1215
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 3: a bunch of money back and it cost us a

1216
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 3: ton of money for him, obviously, but he showed I'm

1217
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 3: willing to pay whatever I wanted to win, and so

1218
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 3: that was a fun atmosphere I think for US players

1219
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: to be around. And I always say I had a

1220
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 3: fun time playing my twenty one years, But those first

1221
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 3: couple of years when when you're part of something, you're

1222
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 3: turning it around. We were garbage for a whole decade

1223
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 3: in the nineties, and then slowly, surely Steve, Mike and

1224
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 3: I we get better. We turn things around. You see that,

1225
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 3: you know stuff is happening. People get excited in the city.

1226
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 3: Those are some of the best years I had in

1227
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 3: the NBA.

1228
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 2: Really dope.

1229
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 5: I was always I was almost your teammate in twenty fourteen.

1230
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 5: Oh no almost, So we heard you beat up the trade.

1231
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: Thanks, I must have detailed that before.

1232
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: Obviously, thank you for your time.

1233
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: Before we get to these quick hitters.

1234
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: Obviously, when you're in the mix and you're almost on

1235
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: the Hampshire wielder in your career, you never get to

1236
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: kind of sit back and appreciate, you know what you've accomplished.

1237
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: You know, you've been removed for a handful of years now,

1238
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: like when you look back on your career, like, what

1239
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: what do you think about? When comes to your mind?

1240
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 3: It's been a heck of a ride, and it's very

1241
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 3: fortunate obviously to be here and being stay in one

1242
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 3: spot and you know, stay stay sort of you know,

1243
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 3: injury free throughout my whole ride. So it's been, Yeah,

1244
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 3: it's been. I was blessed and as one as an

1245
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 3: incredible ride and to me, topped it off this summer

1246
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 3: with the Hall of Fame. I think now to me

1247
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 3: that that was sort of the closure. My first half

1248
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 3: of my life is over with this and couldn't have

1249
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 3: gone any better, honestly, you know. So I'm extremely happy

1250
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 3: and of course proud, and my family is super proud

1251
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 3: of out of Germany, I was able to play in

1252
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 3: the NBA for twenty one year. It's been a hell

1253
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 3: of a ride. And we'll see what the next chapter

1254
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 3: looks like.

1255
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 5: Now, how does it feel to be the best U

1256
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 5: up in play ever?

1257
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 3: Well, you know, now it's gonna be tough, you know,

1258
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 3: to keep that as you are, Yeah, keep that up

1259
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 3: now with the with the generation that we have coming now.

1260
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 3: I mean, but it's it's yeah, it's it's if before

1261
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 3: me there were some fun European players. Shremp was one

1262
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 3: of my idol songs from Josh and Petrovitch was a

1263
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 3: stud Kukach. I mean there there were great players. And

1264
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 3: then you know, if if if I came in and

1265
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 3: Tony Parker Gasol, if we came in and sort of

1266
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 3: helped these other guys now a little bit, or inspired.

1267
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 2: Them in a way or motivated them in a.

1268
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 3: Way, that that's that's obviously thrilling and humbling to hear.

1269
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 3: So if we were part of somebody else's journey, and uh,

1270
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 3: that's that's been amazing. And now we have you know,

1271
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,919
Speaker 3: j and Joker and Bro.

1272
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: On the back. Bro you killed in the NBA for

1273
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: a long time.

1274
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a Yeah, it was a long time.

1275
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 3: But like I said, it's been so many opened the

1276
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 3: door for me, and if I pushed the door open

1277
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: even a little wider, then that's that's humbling.

1278
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: All right, Well, quick hitters, first thing to come to mind,

1279
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: let us know and we'll get you out of here.

1280
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: The biggest risk you've ever taken.

1281
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 2: No question, coming to the NBA.

1282
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 3: Coming out on yourself though, coming out of the second

1283
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 3: division in Germany.

1284
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: I mean that was that was a wild move, but

1285
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 2: I ended up ended up working with pretty well.

1286
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 3: For you, you have an it. What's your guilty pleasure?

1287
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 3: I'm a big food guy. Ice cream, I mean snacker,

1288
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 3: not good, not good.

1289
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: Worst piece of advice you've ever heard.

1290
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: Worst piece of advice, I'm not sure. Yeah, nothing. Yeah.

1291
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 3: Just just see yourself as a work in progress. Really,

1292
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 3: always keep improving. Never be satisfied.

1293
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 2: Uh you know. I always see yourself as a as.

1294
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 3: A learning guy. Even now in life. Try something new,

1295
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 3: try to learn different things. Never see yourself as a

1296
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 3: finished product.

1297
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 2: Dallas Maverick's all time starting five with me or without me?

1298
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I played with some some studs, so I'm

1299
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 3: gonna have to go probably a small lineup. Snashy is

1300
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 3: obviously one of my best buddies. He's the one Jake

1301
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 3: Kidd Hall of Famer. He played the two. He can

1302
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 3: guard the two's now they can both handle the ball.

1303
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 3: My guy, Finley is was play the three. I mean

1304
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 3: he helped me so much growing up, and he wasn't

1305
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 3: He was basically the man when I got here, and

1306
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Speaker 3: then I mean, there's.

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Speaker 2: A lot of guys. If I've if I played the four,

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Speaker 2: then there's a lot of guys for the fifth spot, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, like a jet or I mean, yeah, this Nick Vannox.

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Speaker 3: That was amazing for us those couple of years he

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Speaker 3: was here. Uh yeah, that's that's a tough one. But

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Speaker 3: it's a really small lineup. But those those are probably

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Speaker 3: a four or.

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Speaker 1: Five center on that thing.

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Speaker 2: How good with Josh Howard. I love Josh. I love Josh.

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Speaker 3: You know, he played with a chip on his shoulder

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Speaker 3: because he he was pissed off that he was drafted

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Speaker 3: so late. You know, he thought he had a great

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01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 3: couple of years there at Wake Forest and then he

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Speaker 3: dropped almost you know, into the first round and what

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Speaker 3: I'm going to show everybody? And then that's how he

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Speaker 3: approached every game. He was going at people's next and

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Speaker 3: we love that. He was our defender. He was long,

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Speaker 3: he was versatile, and I love Josh. He's still around here.

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Speaker 3: I've never thought he'd be he'd get into coaching because

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Speaker 3: he was at times, i'd say.

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Speaker 2: At a little tough to coach.

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Speaker 3: Uh he's coaching some college around here. So I run

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Speaker 3: into him every now and then and apparently he's great

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Speaker 3: and they love him, and but I didn't see I

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Speaker 3: didn't see Stack becoming a coach either.

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Speaker 2: Say he's doing great.

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Speaker 3: Some of these guys were a little tough on on

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Speaker 3: their own coaches. But okay, now now they now they're

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Speaker 3: head coaches.

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Speaker 1: Childhood crush, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh shoot, childhood crush. And I mean the nineties. I

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Speaker 3: mean it was a little Kim Foxy exactly exactly exactly see.

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Speaker 2: What else.

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Speaker 4: She was unable soft picture this. I'm having one of

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Speaker 4: those moments. Yeah, something you wish you were better at

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Speaker 4: mm hmmm.

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Speaker 2: In life or something anything.

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Speaker 3: Maybe a better communicator in life. I think I take

1345
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff in in myself. I don't I

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01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 3: don't love share my feelings too much. And I know

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Speaker 3: over over my my life that's driven my career, my

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Speaker 3: my family nuts a little bit. So I wish I

1349
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 3: was communicate my feelings a little better. I think that's uh,

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Speaker 3: that's that's that's one that's I need to work on.

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Speaker 2: That's me and period and period five dinner guess dead alive?

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Speaker 3: I mean i'd say Michael Jordan obviously, I mean he

1353
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 3: was He's my hero, is my goat always.

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Speaker 2: I'd say mommad Ali.

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Speaker 3: Oh, and then there's a there's so many greats out there.

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Speaker 5: Just because of you was at Cubans. We asked him

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Speaker 5: by his pop. He had you at his tape. Really, yes,

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Speaker 5: that's sweet.

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Speaker 3: I would not have him on my table. I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 3: I was a big tennis guy, so I'm gonna go

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Speaker 3: with Roger Federer. I mean, unbelievable, A big, big tennis

1362
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Speaker 3: fan growing up. I was a big Boris Becker fan.

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Speaker 3: So that's four mainly sports and the fifth do uh

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Speaker 3: maybe Tiger Woods?

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Speaker 2: Nice? That's table.

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Speaker 5: If you could see one guest on our show, who

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Speaker 5: would it be? But you have to help us get

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Speaker 5: your answer on the show.

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Speaker 2: Can't be shy? Okay, who hasn't been on the show.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, excuse me? Okay, you guys trying to get Luca.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, look, I ain't.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't know what she was going to say. Well,

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Speaker 2: we'll see.

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Speaker 3: He is still in the phase you know where he's

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Speaker 3: a little shy.

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Speaker 2: You know you've been there.

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Speaker 3: I came here, and you know, sometimes if it's just

1378
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Speaker 3: English the second language, you're almost a little you're scared

1379
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 3: to say something wrong. Yeah, and then and then I

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01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 3: think he's already gotten a little looser in interviews from

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01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 3: his first year or first two years, So I think

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Speaker 3: eventually he'll get there. We'll have some fun with you guys,

1383
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 3: but he's just not.

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Speaker 2: This is the show to let loose on the show.

1385
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 2: The fuck up. But we understand anybody.

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Speaker 1: Well, Dirk Man, we want to thank you for your time.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you know you're busy, but also just give you

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Speaker 1: your flowers.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: Obviously everything you did for this franchise, but the league

1391
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: and you know obviously the international influx now of talent

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01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 1: and like you said, if you kicked it open a

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01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: little bit, but we know you kicked it open a lot.

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Speaker 1: But man, it was a pleasure to battle against you

1395
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: and you play. And congratulations on just the career and

1396
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Speaker 1: the family and everything.

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Speaker 2: Man, well deserve. I appreciate you, bro. That's a wrap.

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Speaker 1: The one and only Dirk Newhizky. He can catch us

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Speaker 1: on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the iHeart platform.

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