1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Multiple sources are telling CNN the Justice Department will ask 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: a federal grand jury today to indict President Trump's former 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: national security advisor, John Bolton. This would be the third 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: indictment of the president's self described political enemies in just 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: three weeks. I'm joined here at the table with a 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: terrific group of reporters, including Kaitlin Polantz, who is bringing 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: us this reporting. Kaitlin, what do we. 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: Know, well, Dana, We know now from various sources that 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: the grand jury in Maryland in federal court is expected 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 2: to be hearing evidence about John Bolton this afternoon. 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: The Justice Department is expected to. 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: Go in there and ask for an indictment of the 13 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: former national security advisor to Donald Trump and somebody who 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: is not just well known from the Trump era, but 15 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: a longtime government official. This is a case where it's 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: been in the works for years. It's been worked on 17 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: because Bolton at one point was discovered having an Aol 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: email account, according to the service I've talked to, where 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: he was writing notes to himself about his time in 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: the Trump White House, and that could include classified documents. 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: We also know from a recent search just two months 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: ago that there were many documents, including ones labeled as 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: about weapons of mass destruction, about Allied strikes, things that 24 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: had markings on them that said classified secret. There were phones, computers, drives, 25 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: all of that sees from his house. His lawyer has 26 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: said this could all be very old material from the 27 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 2: George W. Bush administration and nothing inappropriate was being kept 28 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 2: by Bolton. But there is still an important possibility here 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 2: that this is a very serious national security case and 30 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: that the Justice Department does continue wanting to enforce cases 31 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: like these. It might not be all of a political decision. 32 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 4: This is the primal screen of a dying regime. 33 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 5: Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on 34 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 5: the people. 35 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 6: You've not got a free shot, and all these networks 36 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 6: lying about the people. 37 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 4: The people have had a belly full of it. 38 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 7: I know you don't like hearing that. I know you 39 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 7: tried to do everything in the world to stop that, 40 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 7: but you're not going to stop it. 41 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 4: It's going to happen. 42 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: And where do people like that go to share the 43 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: big line? 44 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: Mega media? 45 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of 46 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: these people had a conscience. 47 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 6: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose. 48 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 8: If that answer is to save my country, this country 49 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 8: will be saved. 50 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 3: Worry. Here's your host, Stephen k Ban. 51 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 7: You're in the room. 52 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 5: That's Thursday, October sixteenth and a year of our lower 53 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, and I'm extremely pleased to be able 54 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 5: to sit here and tell you, specifically the wonderful CNN commentators, 55 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 5: that their projections have actually materialized and that John Bolton, 56 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 5: in just a few minutes before coming to air, has 57 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 5: indeed been indicted by a federal grand jury in Maryland. 58 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 5: We're going to have Mike Davis on shortly to walk 59 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 5: us through the intricacies of this case, certainly the opening salvo, 60 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 5: and is going to be a long fight. Dairy say, 61 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 5: feeling a little retribution at the moment, although as we've 62 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 5: always said, it's not retribution, it's accountability, and it's but 63 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 5: I was reading the CNN textual article synopsis of the 64 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 5: indictments against John Bolton and bribed him. 65 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 7: You know, woe is me, poor John Bolton. 66 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 5: Apparently now they don't seem to care about people who 67 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 5: allegedly maintain classified documents. 68 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 7: I think their coverage of the. 69 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 5: Mar A Lago raid was a little bit different, but 70 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 5: they described as quote, the third high profile Trump political 71 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 5: enemy to face an indictment. And what I would humbly 72 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 5: posit as a correction to the editorial stance of Sienna 73 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 5: is that John Bolton isn't just an enemy to Trump, 74 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 5: that secondary tertiary to all this, but he's anatomy to 75 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 5: the United States of America. Maybe that's a harsh charge, 76 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 5: although I point in what you're getting indicted for mishandling 77 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 5: classified documents. I think that's probably a fair accusation. But 78 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 5: why do I say that. I think Don Bolton has 79 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 5: always been that creepy mustache wearing token Republican that has 80 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 5: sort of floated around the mainstream media commentariat that is 81 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 5: too busy lecturing this audience applauding Steve Bannon, going to 82 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 5: prison ones who are destroyancy. That were the people who 83 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 5: don't respect the norms of democratic transition. Well, last time 84 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 5: I checked, mishandling classified documents is probably not respecting the 85 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 5: transition of power, John Bolton. But please keep lecturing us 86 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 5: on how important the rule of law is and how 87 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 5: terrible January sixth was. Right, it's Donald Trump who's not 88 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 5: a crat because he doesn't understand the value of democracy 89 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 5: When you're busy, who knows where you're. 90 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 7: Passing off these documents to. 91 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 5: So I mean, obviously you've engaged in information warfare against 92 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 5: the American people. I just have to turn on CNN 93 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 5: for a second to see that. But you've also probably engaged, honestly, 94 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 5: I'd say a second, third level, removed kinetic warfare with 95 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 5: all the Iran warmongering that you've been response. 96 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: Multiple sources are telling CNN the Justice Department will ask 97 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 1: a federal grand jury today to indict President Trump's former 98 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: national security advisor, John Bolton. This would be the third 99 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: indictment of the president's self described political enemies in just 100 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: three weeks. I'm joined here at the table with a 101 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: terrific group of reporters, including Kaitlin Polantz, who is bringing 102 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: us this reporting. Kaitlin, what do we know. 103 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: Well, Dana, we know now from various sources that the 104 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: grand jury in Maryland in federal court is expected to 105 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: be hearing evidence about John Bolton this afternoon. The Just 106 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 2: Department is expected to go in there and ask for 107 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: an indictment of the former national security advisor to Donald 108 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: Trump and somebody who is not just well known from 109 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: the Trump era but a longtime government official. 110 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: This is a. 111 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: Case where it's been in the works for years. It's 112 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: been worked on because Bolton at one point was discovered 113 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: having an aol email account according to the sources I've 114 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: talked to, where he was writing notes to himself about 115 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: his time in the Trump White House, and that could 116 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: include classified documents. We also know from a recent search 117 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: just two months ago, that there were many documents, including 118 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: ones labeled as about weapons of mass destruction, about Allied strikes, 119 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 2: things that had markings on them that said classified secret. 120 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: There were phones, computers, drives, all of that sees from 121 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 2: his house. His lawyer has said this and could all be. 122 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 5: Very having some technical difficulties and we can blame it 123 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 5: on John Bolton. But I am back. I don't know 124 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 5: what I was talking about. Maybe the third Kinetic World 125 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,239 Speaker 5: Wars is too hot to touch for the global Internet sensors. 126 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 7: Not here on RAV. We love RAV, always an honor 127 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 7: to host. 128 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 5: But this is why I hate Bolton because people like 129 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 5: him he represents. He is the tip of the information 130 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 5: warfare sphere of people who think that they are better 131 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 5: than you because they have access to classified information. They 132 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 5: think that they're better than you because they have stupid 133 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 5: appointed fellowships and think tank positions at Brookings in the 134 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 5: Atlanta Council and all of his fake organizations that don't 135 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 5: exist because of anything rooted in American identity or putting 136 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 5: America first, but exists solely because they take and they 137 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 5: have absolutely no respect for the rule of law. All 138 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 5: they care about is getting rich selling this country down 139 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 5: the river. John Bolton is the epitome of managed decline, 140 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 5: and it is quite not just symbolic, but important that 141 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 5: people like him are held to account and not made 142 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 5: an example of political or politicized or legal lawfare reasons, 143 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 5: but for the sake of this country, because if people 144 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 5: like him are allowed to continue to sell the country 145 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 5: and our secrets down the river while actively engaging and 146 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 5: conspiring with foreign countries to drag us into more foreign entaglements, 147 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,119 Speaker 5: if not outright wars, nothing is going to happen. 148 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 7: I don't care how many people you deport. 149 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 5: It's people like John Bolton who are the enemy within. 150 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 5: And I'm glad you're getting a little taste of your 151 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 5: own medicine. And I really look forward to watching MSNBC, 152 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 5: CNN take PIC all those shows tonight, which had a 153 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 5: very different tune when it came to President Trump's mar 154 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 5: A Lago raid and the classified documents. I'm going to 155 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 5: be watching with a very close eye to see if 156 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 5: there's any nice double standards double standards at argue. Probably 157 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 5: trip standards there. Mike Davis, got it. You've got a 158 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 5: high bar to coming hotter than that. But you probably 159 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 5: dislike John Boltimore than I do. Not for personal reasons, 160 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 5: but for the fact that he mishandled classified documents, which 161 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 5: last time I checked, the left really hates. They raided 162 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 5: a freaking former president's home. 163 00:08:58,840 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 4: Page. 164 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 6: And indictment, Natalie, it's out of the District of Maryland's 165 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 6: the US attorney and the District of Maryland is a 166 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 6: career federal prosecutor. They worked with the National Security Division 167 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 6: and Main Justice. There are several career attorneys' names on 168 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 6: this indictment, so this is not a political indictment, and 169 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 6: it's a very serious indictment. You're looking at eighteen different 170 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 6: counts against John Bolton. I think eight of them were 171 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 6: for transmitting national defense information. That means he was sending 172 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 6: national defense information apparently through his AOL accounts or his 173 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 6: personal email accounts, and then they got him for ten 174 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 6: counts of retaining national defense information. These are very serious 175 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 6: espionage charges. And what's so damning for John Bolton in 176 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 6: this indictment is they go through in this indictment to 177 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 6: show his knowledge and intent. They go through and quote 178 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 6: John Bolton in the past for when he's talked about 179 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 6: how doing the very things he allegedly did here is 180 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 6: a very serious national security crime, espionage. And they go 181 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 6: through these documents, and some of these documents are top 182 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 6: secret with code names, So these are beyond top secret 183 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 6: documents as far as I can tell, from his time 184 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 6: as the President's National Security advisor. So he had access 185 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 6: to some of the most he had access to the 186 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 6: most classified information in all of our governments, and he's 187 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 6: sending it via personal email and he's retaining it. So 188 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 6: you're not gonna be able to say this is a 189 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 6: political case here, with the career prosecutors in the District 190 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 6: of Maryland, the career prosecutors at Main Justice and the 191 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 6: National Security Division, and just the magnitude of the number 192 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 6: of classified documents, highly classified documents that he sent and 193 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 6: that he retained, he's in a very deep poll and 194 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 6: it looks like John Bolton, if these allegations are true, 195 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 6: are going to go He's going to go to prison 196 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 6: for a very long time. 197 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 5: Walk us through the timeline on this. Is there going 198 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 5: to be a purp walk? What does that look like? 199 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 6: That's a very good question. That's going to be up 200 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 6: to the UH, to the prosecutors in the District of 201 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 6: Maryland's I know Lindsay Holligan made the decision, and I 202 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 6: think the correct decision. I didn't think it was correct 203 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 6: at the time, but I understood her rationale. She made 204 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 6: the correct decision not to purp walk James Comy and 205 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 6: Tiss James Big Tish for their charges in the Eastern 206 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 6: District of Virginia for for you know, lying to Congress, 207 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 6: false statements to Congress, an obstruction of a congressional investigation 208 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 6: for Comby for mortgage fraud, bank fraud, and false statements 209 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 6: to a financial institution for Big Dish James the New 210 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 6: York Attorney General. She didn't want to create sympathy for 211 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 6: those defendants. In the Eastern District of Virginia, which is 212 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 6: loaded up with government, government workers and other Democrats. You're 213 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 6: gonna have the same issue in Maryland and so we 214 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 6: may not see purp walks here because they want to 215 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 6: just they may want to keep this low key. On 216 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 6: the other hands, espionage is a very serious charge, as 217 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 6: John Bolton has said repeatedly, and as the prosecutors outlined. 218 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 4: In this indictment. 219 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 6: This was an indictment by Democrats, largely Democrats in the 220 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 6: suburbs of Washington, d C and Maryland, just like Lindsay 221 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 6: got with the suburbs of d C in Alexandria, in 222 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 6: the Eastern District of Virginia. It's this is I'm reading 223 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 6: through again. I'm just reading through this now. It's twenty 224 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 6: six pages. But these are very serious charges. 225 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 7: Mike. 226 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 5: If people want to follow you stay upstate with everything 227 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 5: you're working on. 228 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 7: Where can they go to do that? 229 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's article three Project dot org Article number three 230 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 6: Project dot org. You can follow us on social media, donates, 231 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 6: but only what you can afford, and take action. The 232 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 6: war room posse's superpower. 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We're going to 266 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 5: be joined by Norbin Lauden after the break to break 267 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 5: down the new who Global tax Who exactly the taxation 268 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 5: dollars are. 269 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 7: Going to go to? I don't know. 270 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 5: I don't think the WHO knows, but what we do 271 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 5: know it doesn't look too good. Of course, the Trump 272 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 5: admin already trying to block it. 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But it's sort of a Pavlovian response 292 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 5: where anytime we have you on it means the United 293 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 5: Nations is doing something bad, although the at least this 294 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 5: time the Trump administration is fighting back Washington. A lot 295 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 5: of people, even in Trump's cabinet, are talking about this 296 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 5: new global carbon tax. I know that's thrown around a 297 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 5: lot and sort of maybe hyperbolic sometimes, but this time, 298 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 5: from what I gather, the UN is being pretty straight 299 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 5: up about what their ambitions are, wanting to tax carbon emissions, shipping, 300 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff. Can you walk us through 301 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 5: who the players are in this, what exactly this looks like, 302 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 5: and just help us understand what's actually going on here? 303 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 9: Yes, of course, Natalie, great to be on with you 304 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 9: and to discuss this topic because there's so much going on. 305 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 9: The news cycle is really crazy, but this is actually 306 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 9: very very important, and I'll just set up a little 307 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 9: bit of the context. But basically, obviously you have the 308 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 9: UN all of its daughter organizations, this entire globalist superstructure, 309 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 9: and the agency, the specialized agency that we're going to 310 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 9: talk about today is the International Maritime Organization IMO, and 311 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 9: they are at the center of this war that is 312 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 9: being waged right now between the Trump administration fighting hard 313 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 9: pushing back against this new global text that they are 314 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 9: pushing onto the world via its member states. And so 315 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 9: what essentially is happening is that you have this law. 316 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 9: So the IMO is tasked basically with overseeing and regulating 317 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 9: the seeds the entire shipping industry, and they've been you know, 318 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 9: added since nineteen forty eight, since their inception. There's one 319 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 9: key instrument that they've set up, which is the MARPOL, 320 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 9: the Convention for the Prevention of Pollution from Ships. This 321 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 9: dates back to the seventies and they are currently amending 322 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 9: it to add in this annex which comprises a n 323 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 9: z F. Obviously, you know the nomenclatron, the process and 324 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 9: the procedure, they always make it extremely complicated, but an 325 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 9: ENZF essentially is a net zero framework and under this 326 00:17:53,920 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 9: framework they essentially want to tax all ships for their missions. 327 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 9: There are carbon emissions. There are greenhouse gas emissions per tonnage. 328 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 9: So we're looking at essentially one hundred and seventy six 329 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 9: member states that are signatory to Marpole, and all of 330 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 9: the ships that fall within these one hundred and seventy 331 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 9: six jurisdictions would essentially have to pay this tax. And 332 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 9: it's the first time in UN history where it would 333 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 9: go directly into a fund which would be controlled by 334 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 9: the UN. It's the International Maritime Organization Net zero fund, 335 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 9: and they would control that. And obviously who at the 336 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 9: end of the day will be incurring this increase and 337 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 9: this hidden tax. It is us, the consumers, and President 338 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 9: Trump came really hard against this. It's been going on 339 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 9: for months. This war has been going on since April 340 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 9: when the IMO convened and essentially a dot opted the 341 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 9: draft for this amendment to the law, and they're supposed 342 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 9: to vote tomorrow on the formal adoption. All member states 343 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 9: are gathering in London right now this week, where the 344 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 9: IMO is headquartered, and the United States essentially has been 345 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 9: very vocal issuing a statement. Secretary of State Marc Rubio, 346 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 9: Secretary of Energy Chris Wright, and Secretary of Transportation Sean 347 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 9: Duffy issued a statement last week, a very strongly worded 348 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 9: statement against this n z F, this net zero framework, 349 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 9: and also threatened member states not to adopt this new 350 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 9: law essentially or this new provision into the law, threatening 351 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 9: also with tariffs. So this is really an integral part 352 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 9: in term of global economic warfare, and every single citizen 353 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 9: across the world, across you know, these one hundred and 354 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 9: seventy six member states stand to lose this go forward. 355 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 5: And no, I think you really hit the nail on 356 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 5: the head. It's also like, what are these funds really 357 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 5: going to be used for? Their sort of you know, 358 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 5: in their typical hr globalists speak very euphemistic about it. 359 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 5: I want to read some of the quotes when they 360 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 5: do provide insight to create this net zero fund that 361 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 5: would quote reward low emission ships and create quote just 362 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 5: transition initiatives and developing countries and quote mitigate negative impacts 363 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 5: of climate change on vulnerable states. I think I just 364 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 5: turned into like a liberal by reading that. But what 365 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 5: does that even mean? What does that mean? 366 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 9: Well, you know, the UN is pushing Agenda twenty thirty 367 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 9: and Agenda twenty fifty, Agenda twenty fifth being net zero 368 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 9: complete uh phasing out of fossil fuels or carbon fuels. 369 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 9: And it's the it's it's been going on for decades, 370 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 9: right this transition by the United Nations, all of the 371 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 9: globalist institutions, the different players such as Black Rock, our 372 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 9: central banks, our own governments, obviously against the interest of 373 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 9: their own citizens and constituents. And they have these different 374 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 9: vehicles right now, as I mentioned, we're discussing the IMO. 375 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 9: But this is this is very important because that would 376 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 9: that would be a clear acceleration of that agenda in 377 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 9: terms of the economics of it. And we also have 378 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 9: this very peculiar development which is quite you know, representative 379 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 9: of the public private partnership, how would you say, ethos, 380 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 9: but you have the shipping industry that is actually behind 381 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 9: the and on October ninth, you had a statement from 382 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 9: different how would you say, associations of the shipping companies 383 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 9: coming out in favor of this transition, which is really 384 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 9: odd because obviously they would be text but they know 385 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 9: that the customer at the end of the day, US 386 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 9: citizens will be the people that will be incurring the costs. 387 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 9: And another important point, which I think is really important, 388 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 9: is that China stands to gain from this, because the 389 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 9: idea is that they would be phasing out all of 390 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 9: these ships that run on carbon fuels for ships that 391 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 9: are built, you know, on alternative fuels. And China obviously 392 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 9: is the main player when it comes to shipbuilding. I 393 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 9: think China accounts for over sixty percent of the new bills, 394 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 9: and obviously you have Japan and also South Korea. There 395 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 9: are main players. But this would clearly lead to a 396 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 9: increase of maritime influence by China should this move forward. 397 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 5: In ord, just give us a minute or two on 398 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 5: any other initiatives or rollouts like these that you think 399 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 5: our audience needs to stay ahead of the curve on 400 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 5: when it comes to what the UN or their evil 401 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 5: subsidiaries or little spinoffs like the Who are doing. 402 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 9: You know, the wh show is one of the main 403 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 9: other key vehicles We've discussed many times on the show, 404 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,239 Speaker 9: and I'm still monitoring what's going on there. They are 405 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 9: still having the negotiations on their Pandemic treaty. They pretended 406 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 9: that everything had been solidified and ratified back in May, 407 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 9: but they left out the meat of the agreement in 408 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 9: this annex, the PABs Annex, and this is still currently 409 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 9: being negotiating, negotiated, So we will have to look to 410 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 9: the annual Assembly, the World Health Assembly next May coming 411 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 9: up in a few months from now. You obviously have 412 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 9: the World Economic Forum that is organizing regular meetups throughout 413 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 9: the year. Currently. Also this week they were in Dubai 414 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 9: discussing all these developments in terms of technology and cybersecurity 415 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 9: and AI and pushing that agenda in terms of making 416 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 9: sure that they can control all of all of our 417 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 9: platforms and future technologies. And this this is you know, 418 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 9: going to the lead up of Davos obviously in January, 419 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 9: that's coming up, that's coming up. The dates have already 420 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 9: been set for the Davos Annual meeting of the WEF 421 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 9: in Switzerland coming up in jan As I mentioned, every 422 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 9: year so we see clear pushbacks from the Trump and 423 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 9: illustration when it comes to key advancements of the globalist agenda. 424 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 9: And at the same time you see them still maneuvering, 425 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 9: still working behind the scenes to advance their own agenda. 426 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 9: And it is absolutely crucial that we remain informed, especially 427 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 9: when they try to obfuscate and to confuse the population. 428 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 9: You know, I spend a lot of time to look 429 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 9: at all of these documents and try to break them down. 430 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 9: But there is actually so much information and it's it's 431 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 9: obviously done on purpose to keep us uninformed as much 432 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 9: as possible while their agenda moves along. 433 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 3: But this, this is. 434 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 5: Quite verbose, this to hide a quite evil agenda. 435 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 7: Nor we've got we've got to we've got to hit 436 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 7: a break. 437 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 5: But if people want, I know they love reading all 438 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 5: your stuff, and you're always working on exciting projects. If 439 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 5: people want to follow you stay up to date on 440 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 5: all of that, where can they go? 441 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 9: Best places orbin Laden dot substack dot com. And I 442 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 9: really encourage people to look at the statement and read 443 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 9: the statement from the State Department that came out last 444 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 9: week ahead of this week's meeting in London of the 445 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 9: International Maritime Organization. You can find that on the State 446 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 9: Department's website. And there's also a really good article by 447 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 9: Joshua Arnold published on the Washington Stand on this very topic, 448 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 9: very comprehensive, goes into the details of the carbon tax 449 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 9: and how they're going to try and implement this. 450 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 5: It's like a hydra when you cut off the head metaphorically, 451 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 5: it just comes back rearing with like what eight more? 452 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 7: Maybe in this case eighty. 453 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 5: But luckily we got President Trump standing the reach war imposse. 454 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 5: We'll be right back after this short break. 455 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 7: We're going to drill down on. 456 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 5: All things China, Chinese Communist Party. 457 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 7: We got it. 458 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 8: War room. 459 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 3: Excuse your host, Stephen k. 460 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 5: Ban. You're back in the war room, where we obviously 461 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 5: stand very strong against global government because I don't know 462 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 5: who exactly that global sovereign. 463 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 7: Is going to be. 464 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 5: I guess maybe we can answer the question of who's 465 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 5: going to benefit from the global carbon tax. I don't 466 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 5: think they took no taxation without representation the right way 467 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 5: when President Trump pulled out of the WHO or frankly 468 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 5: all things un that would be my suggestion. But in 469 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 5: some capacity, global government is already here. I saw yet 470 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 5: another illegal alien police officer. Try to make that make sense. 471 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 5: That's an oxymoron if I've ever seen it, was arrested 472 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 5: by Ice today. That's an interesting turn of events. Obviously, 473 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 5: Jack Smith from the Hague over there with his un pals, 474 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 5: no conspiracies, no coincidence, is refusing to cooperate and testify 475 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 5: or at least handover documents to Jim Jordan. And of 476 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 5: course everything we've been seeing which is a result of 477 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 5: these globalized supply chains. 478 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 7: When it comes to China pulling the. 479 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 5: Nuclear option on all things rare earths, not just the 480 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 5: actual procurement of these various metals, take your pick which one, 481 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 5: but also the actual exporting of the tools used to 482 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 5: refine them, of which China retains upwards I believe of 483 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 5: ninety percent of basically all refining capabilities. If you want 484 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 5: to talk about unrestricted warfare, I think that's probably a 485 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 5: prime example. But also, you know, we've talked about the 486 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 5: EMP attacks here, the sort of off switch for America. 487 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 5: But it's also wild and I think it gets back 488 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 5: to what nor was talking about how in some cases 489 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 5: it's these un entities that are being subverted by the 490 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 5: Chinese Communist Party. But the FTC, the Trump administration, as 491 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 5: we've seen you can put that national interest piece up, 492 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 5: is really working hard to sort of create a new 493 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 5: GPS backups system. 494 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 7: They're, like I said, same with the EMP stuff. 495 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 5: There's sort of an off switch on all these things, 496 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 5: and a lot of the lobbying groups who are trying 497 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 5: to counter these efforts all have ties to the Chinese 498 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 5: Communist Party. There's a bright Bart article highlighting that and 499 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 5: in some cases, obviously all Chinese companies per Article seven 500 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 5: of China's National Intelligence Law, can be essentially taken over 501 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 5: by the PRC turned into state owned enterprises to achieve 502 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 5: any end, any means of the state, anything that they 503 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 5: deem relevant to national security. But even companies like Zte, 504 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 5: which have actually been sanctioned by the first Trump administration 505 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 5: and of course retain robust ties to China's military, to 506 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 5: basically all the upper reuschelants of the Chinese Communist Party 507 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 5: or busy lobbying certain companies, telecom providers, et cetera, to 508 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 5: make sure that this does not happen. This is unrestricted warfare. 509 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 5: This is the enemy within. This is what we talk 510 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 5: about people who I don't know, maybe John Bolton, Maybe 511 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 5: that's a good example for today. When people like that 512 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 5: are mishandling classified documents, will actively working with and conspiring 513 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,239 Speaker 5: foreign countries, you certainly get an interesting, interesting mix. I 514 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 5: also just want to give some other updates on what 515 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 5: the who is doing before we go to our next guest. 516 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 5: I've been writing some stuff up on substack, which you 517 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 5: can read. 518 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 7: I think it's I don't even know it's Natalie G. 519 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 5: Winters or Natalie Grayswinters dot substack dot com. But I'm 520 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 5: just going to give you a punch list of some 521 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 5: of the clandestine things the WHO has been doing behind 522 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 5: closed doors on the pandemic treaty front, but on the 523 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 5: sort of global convergence of you know, emergency crisis response. 524 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 5: But what they don't tell you is that emergency means 525 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 5: climate change or racial inequity, take your pick of woke buzzword. 526 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 5: But they created the Public Health and Social Measures Decision Navigator, 527 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 5: the two point zero plots for which we'll quote identify 528 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 5: relevant content from websites, social media, and other public sources 529 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 5: to identify important health events. It's called the Epidemic Intelligence 530 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,719 Speaker 5: from Open Sources. And essentially they launched a new AI 531 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 5: pandemic tracker that's going to be monitoring and essentially patrolling 532 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 5: social media to see what kind of misinformation They need 533 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 5: to crack down on their fusing essentially new AI tools 534 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 5: to be able to do this, so they can process 535 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 5: more sources, get probably more of your social media posts, 536 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 5: more of the war room clips that you share. They've 537 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 5: also announced progress this is another story of mine, on 538 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 5: what they call the Pathogen Access and Benefit Sharing System. 539 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 5: They have a nice little acronym for it, the PABs system. 540 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 5: Where this one's actually quite wild. They're working on a 541 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 5: pandemic causing Pathogen database Global Sharing Initiative. 542 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 7: Yes you heard that right. 543 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 5: They didn't learn anything from COVID or I guess maybe 544 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 5: they learned everything. If what they cared to learn was 545 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 5: how to cause a global pandemic, they're pretty good at that. 546 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 5: But they are providing quotes catch this safe, transparent and 547 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 5: accountable access to pathogens with pandemic potential to all WHO 548 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 5: member states, not just China, but every country. They also 549 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 5: want to guarantee quote equitable, rapid and timely sharing of 550 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 5: countermeasures buried lead there what they. 551 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 7: Don't tell you they mean vaccines. 552 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 5: And they also want to quote strengthen global health preparedness 553 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 5: by pooling resources across borders, which, as you and I 554 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 5: both know, that is just a dog whistle for suppressing 555 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 5: not just nationalism, but the idea of hypernational supply chains 556 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 5: and not being reliant on what we saw was the 557 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 5: completely defunct and completely inadequate globalized supply chains that failed 558 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 5: that are of course reliant on probably the un who's 559 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 5: largest benefactor, China, but totally failed during COVID. That's just 560 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 5: some of the latest things that the WHO is working on. 561 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 5: It's absolutely wild and I think it goes back to 562 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 5: sort of the key point that. 563 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 7: Nora was making. 564 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 5: And even you see with the Bolton stuff, right, even 565 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 5: when we come after these people, and rightfully so, they 566 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 5: are not just sitting and cowering. 567 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 7: They are rebranding. They are like a hydra. 568 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 5: They are coming back with even greater force because they 569 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 5: know they are lashing out and their last few breaths 570 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 5: again metaphorically but seeking because they understand right that this 571 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 5: is a serious existential threat. And before we get to 572 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 5: our next guest, last thing, I wanted to mention another 573 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 5: great hit piece on war Room and yours truly from 574 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 5: Media Matters, just because we're talking about spiritual warfare. Will 575 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 5: give Media Matters what they want. Apparently they really don't 576 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 5: like it when we call our enemies demonic. How about 577 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 5: this Media Matters people who kill people that they disagree 578 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 5: with because they can't beat them in debates and they 579 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 5: don't like the impacts that they have on elections and 580 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 5: they're what weird, you know, transgender, furry whatevers. Those people 581 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 5: are demonic, very demonic and it is a spiritual warfare, 582 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 5: and I frankly I would actually fact check your headline 583 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 5: and say it's quite true. I don't see the lie. 584 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 5: So thank you Media Matters. As Steve always says, you're 585 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 5: doing a great job running our press department. 586 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 7: So we'll take it. 587 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 5: Nathan Picicarsik joins us now, who has an absolutely wonderful 588 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 5: piece and real clear defense. Always love when we can 589 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 5: get anti CCP content in mainstream publications, talking about hidden huahwehs, 590 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 5: which I love that term not just because of the alliteration, 591 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 5: but the ideas that you're going through here on the 592 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 5: sort of actionable roadmap of what the Trump administration can do. 593 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 7: Can you sort of walk. 594 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 5: Us through your piece, your suggestions, and what exactly a 595 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 5: hidden Huahweh is? 596 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 8: Absolutely, Natalie, and that's completely in the framing that you 597 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 8: just offered that. As we find the problem actors and 598 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 8: we try to take our whack a mole approach to 599 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 8: addressing them, whether they're from the CCP or elsewhere, they 600 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 8: find a way to rebrand, to burrow themselves into supply 601 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 8: chains deeper, and that's what we're trying to explain with 602 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 8: the hidden Huawei concept. So we know that ZT and 603 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 8: Huawei are threats, their threats that are unacceptable to US 604 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 8: national security because they're touching critical infrastructure, data, and telecommunications networks. 605 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 4: And we've done work. 606 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 8: The first Trump administration and the second administration have done 607 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 8: a valiant effort to clear our networks from those actors. 608 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 8: They've been able to rebrand themselves, and they've been able 609 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 8: to bring supply chains that don't carry the same labels 610 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 8: into the American marketplace into products that might otherwise look 611 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 8: or be labeled is something that might be friendly or 612 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 8: even American. 613 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 4: And this all. 614 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 8: Works alongside China's broader economic warfare strategy which intends to 615 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 8: penetrate our networks, intends to penetrate our market and to 616 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 8: get closer and closer with their access and their capacity 617 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 8: to disrupt our operations. So hidden huaweis are are touching 618 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 8: everything from the telecommunications networks and routers that Huawei and 619 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 8: ZT presented threats in to the Wi Fi hotspots that 620 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 8: you might be using your home and their analogs in 621 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 8: industrial and enterprise fixed wireless access equipment. And as you 622 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 8: highlighted just in the preamble here, Trump's FCC has been 623 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 8: taking new efforts to understand and to address these threats, 624 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 8: and we're looking to folks like Chairman Brendan Carr to 625 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 8: continue that campaign and to understand the broad swath of 626 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 8: the supply chain that these hidden huaweis are attacking, and 627 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 8: to make sure that Americans are protected in their homes 628 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 8: with their Wi Fi hotspots, and to make sure that 629 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 8: the wireless networks that you might join when you're at 630 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 8: the airport or in a shopping mall aren't going to 631 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 8: expose your personal data and the operations that depend on 632 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 8: those networks. Functioning to the threat that the Chinese Communist 633 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 8: Party presents. 634 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 5: Well, especially we're at economic warfare of everything doing on 635 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 5: the rare Earth's runt. I think there's probably no better 636 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 5: time being a prime example of when we shouldn't have 637 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 5: these companies embedded, certainly in our technical infrastructure grid. But 638 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 5: I'm sure the audience's heads are blowing up. They want 639 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 5: to make sure that they're homes, their devices are not 640 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 5: relying on any of these companies these services. Can you 641 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 5: maybe give us an example of either what the Trump 642 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 5: administration has done to combat this, what specifically what they 643 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 5: need to do, or what exactly some of these companies. 644 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 8: Are yeah, absolutely, so I think part of the problem 645 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 8: here is that some of these companies are creating the 646 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 8: modules and chipsets that go inside of devices, so they 647 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 8: might not be obvious from the brand label or from 648 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 8: the telecommunications carrier that you're working with that you have 649 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 8: a piece of equipment that might be compromised. So the 650 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 8: first challenge is that the Trump administration. I think the 651 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 8: FCC has already taken steps to be able to do this, 652 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 8: to expand their reach to make sure that they can 653 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 8: account for component supply chain, so not just finished equipment, 654 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,439 Speaker 8: but also so the insides of this equipment that really 655 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 8: are where the threats may emerge and how they'll persist 656 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 8: even if we do a valiant effort of combating the 657 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 8: huaweies and ztes and smaller companies that are throughout the 658 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 8: smaller component supply chains. But beyond that, I think we 659 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 8: need to look to the FCC and to the corresponding 660 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 8: National security enterprise to validate that these supply chains are 661 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 8: at risk and to take actions to ban their capacity 662 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 8: to sell into the US market, either at the component 663 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 8: level or at the. 664 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,760 Speaker 4: Original equipment manufacturer level. 665 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 8: And we just had a case with Routers where the 666 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 8: Texas Attorney General has brought a case against TP Link. 667 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 8: I think is the company that they singled out, but 668 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 8: I think it's a category that is rife with Chinese backed, 669 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 8: Chinese influence, Chinese dependent actors that pose a severe threat 670 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 8: through our supply chain and to personal data. 671 00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,479 Speaker 5: Nathan, if you can hang with us through the break, 672 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 5: I want to get into you another great piece up 673 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 5: at Human Events talking about what China is doing in 674 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 5: and around Latin America, which goes back, frankly to the 675 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 5: rare earths that are the building block for so much 676 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 5: of these tech devices that you're talking about. 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We're gonna have Nathan 701 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 5: still joining us after the break. But Warren posse this 702 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 5: China tech company the sort of weird sheltering of them 703 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 5: pretending to the American entities. I remember it was in 704 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 5: the first Trump administration they added about twenty or so 705 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 5: Chinese companies sanctioned them to the entity list because they 706 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 5: were tied in with China's military, the PLA. They are 707 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 5: essentially part of that military civil fusion, and I believe 708 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 5: it was over a quarter of them actively had US 709 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 5: based dc K Street Base Washington, lobbyists representing them, helping 710 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 5: them get not just you know, meetings with your officials, 711 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 5: but get their devices into your houses. So you want 712 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 5: to talk about the enemy within, maybe that's the theme 713 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 5: of today's show. I got a list for you, President Trump, 714 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 5: Cash mattell everyone's we'll. 715 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:56,919 Speaker 7: Be right back. 716 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 3: Use your host, Stephen K. Bam. 717 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 5: You're back in the war room, where we're obviously at 718 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,240 Speaker 5: the tip of the spear when it comes to China's 719 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 5: economic warfare, information warfare, technological war for media warfare, take 720 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 5: your pick, a lot of modifiers you could put on 721 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 5: that word warfare. We are, after all the war room, 722 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 5: but the sort of I think, in some ways almost 723 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 5: kinetic warfare they got going down in Latin America, at 724 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 5: least on the rare earth front, you know, plowing just 725 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 5: wild resources, cash, personnel, buying off mayors. 726 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 7: It's truly insane. 727 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 5: And Nathan, you've also got a great piece up in 728 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,359 Speaker 5: Human Events Denver. We can flash it on screen if 729 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 5: you want to sort of walk us through. You have 730 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 5: some really specific examples of the Chinese capture going on 731 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 5: down there, but also what the Pentagon can do about 732 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 5: it absolutely. 733 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 8: So in Peru, we have a massive Chinese megaport and 734 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 8: that port's set to supplant the Panama Canal. And the 735 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 8: Trump administration has done a great job of recognizing the 736 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 8: threat of Chinese influence and control at the Panama Canal, 737 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 8: but China's already steps ahead and trying to have a 738 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 8: plan to circumvent even if the Trump administration wins out 739 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 8: in the Panama Canal. And the port of Tronka in 740 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 8: Peru is a big piece of that Chinese plan, and 741 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 8: that path is being paved by a mayor in Lima 742 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 8: who's set to try to run to be president of Peru, 743 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 8: who is in China's pocket. And that type of subnational 744 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 8: influence is the exact playbook that we see them trying 745 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 8: to cultivate their United Front, trying to get foreigners to 746 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 8: carry their water and do their bidding, whether that's in 747 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 8: the United States and the K Street lobbyists, or whether 748 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 8: that's in places like Lima, Peru. 749 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 4: But the plan doesn't just stop there. 750 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 8: The progress that they've made has also been expanded into 751 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 8: Brazil and they have a bioceanic railway that's intended to 752 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:04,280 Speaker 8: connect to that port in north of Lima and connect 753 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 8: it to all the productive economic resources in Peru in 754 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 8: Brazil to allow China Brazilian trade to flourish and to 755 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 8: supplant not only the trade that's moving through the Panama Canal, 756 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,240 Speaker 8: but also to allow Brazilian exports to China to supplant 757 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 8: American exports and to take market share from American farmers. 758 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 8: So when we look at the Denton soybean exports and 759 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 8: the dent and sorghum exports, it's directly tied to these 760 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 8: actions that China is taking in Latin America that are 761 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 8: also getting positioned with control over these key infrastructures to 762 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 8: be better able to listen and disrupt through operations in 763 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 8: our hemisphere and projecting power into the United States. So 764 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 8: it's hard to overstate the nature of this threat. It's economic, 765 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 8: it is hard security, and that's why it's encouraging that 766 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 8: we hear and we sense that there's going to be 767 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 8: a new national defense strategy that places some emphasis on 768 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,800 Speaker 8: hemispheric security and getting right our relations in Latin America 769 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 8: and coming to battle with China and their increasing presence. 770 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 8: It's not just a bit about the Panama Canal. And 771 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 8: it's even not just about winning over a subnational influence 772 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 8: in Lima, it's the entire hemisphere. And it's directly tied 773 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 8: to the way that the Chinese Communist Party is able 774 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 8: to have unfettered access into the United States, able to 775 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,319 Speaker 8: send in fentanyl imports into the United States, and able 776 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,719 Speaker 8: to subvert our social and economic order. 777 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 5: Now, I was told for how many months by the 778 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 5: media that by shutting down USAID were destroying America's soft power. Meanwhile, 779 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 5: China has been running roughshod over virtually every country, supplying 780 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 5: them with meaningful infrastructure, meaningful ports, meaningful things that they 781 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 5: of course then see as you sort of outlied. Is 782 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 5: this a chance for the Trump administration to sort of 783 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 5: redefine what American soft power actually looks like in the 784 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 5: context of combating malign PRC and fluents. 785 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 8: Absolutely, And there's this clear defensive measures that we need 786 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,800 Speaker 8: to be taking. We should be neutering and neutralizing actors 787 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 8: who are acting on behalf of China's interests. At the 788 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 8: same time, we should be taking an offensive approach to 789 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 8: our allies and partners in the region and the folks 790 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 8: who want to work with us, who want to expand 791 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 8: their market share in the United States who want to 792 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,759 Speaker 8: collaborate with economic security actors, and I think we have 793 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 8: plenty of options in Latin America, but we have to 794 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 8: be serious about and we have to prioritize it the 795 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 8: right way. 796 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,919 Speaker 4: It can't just be an afterthought and we wake up. 797 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 8: One day and we have this massive threat that's building 798 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 8: out in places like this port in Peru. We need 799 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 8: to be actively working and we need to bring our 800 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,759 Speaker 8: private sector as well. So China comes in and has 801 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 8: a bundled set of offerings that they're very happy to 802 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 8: lose money on to gain long term strategic positioning. We 803 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 8: may not be able to compete with the same dollar 804 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 8: and cents of that package, but the American brand, American security, 805 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 8: and access to the American market is a very compelling 806 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 8: offer and one that I think if prioritize the right way, 807 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 8: wins out against China. 808 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 5: And Nathan, just give us one more minute to sort 809 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,760 Speaker 5: of summarize everything you were talking about in the last block. 810 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 5: Is there anything that people can do right now to 811 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 5: make sure that the companies that they have in their 812 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 5: homes that they're using, that they're not being back channeled 813 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 5: or routed back to China. 814 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, I think you want to look to make 815 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,480 Speaker 8: sure that your devices are from Western produced carriers, that 816 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:38,799 Speaker 8: your telecommunications providers are complying with FCC certification requirements, and 817 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 8: you want to track closely where the SCC makes updates 818 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 8: to their covered list so their national security authorities are 819 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 8: able to identify and protect American consumers and businesses from 820 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 8: clear and obvious threats from the likes of Chinese router 821 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 8: and fixed wireless access companies, those that supply Huawei zte, 822 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,400 Speaker 8: and then also that enter the US market at the 823 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 8: component level. So looking for companies like Quektel and Fibocom, 824 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,800 Speaker 8: which have been highlighted by the China House Select Committee 825 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 8: as potential threats, would be a good starting place. So 826 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,000 Speaker 8: those types of module and component providers, and then obviously 827 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 8: the Huawei is etes and others who may be attacked 828 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 8: or attended to the FCC cover list. 829 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,400 Speaker 5: Nathan, and people want to follow you and keep up 830 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,920 Speaker 5: to date with what you got going on. Where can 831 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 5: they go to do that? 832 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 4: FDD dot Org Foundation for the Defensive Democracies. 833 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,240 Speaker 7: Thank you, sir for joining us. 834 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 5: Thank Nelly, you mentioned the Congressional Committee on what is 835 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 5: It the subcommittee on the Chinese Communist Party. I don't 836 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 5: even care to really remember their name because I have 837 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,759 Speaker 5: a major bone to pick with them, not just because 838 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,359 Speaker 5: one of the main Republicans on there, he himself has 839 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,120 Speaker 5: caught up in a bunch of Chinese influence ops. He 840 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,400 Speaker 5: participated in an event with the US Heartland China Association, 841 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 5: the formo organization responsible for trying to get American lawmakers 842 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,240 Speaker 5: to allow China to buy farmland here in the United States. 843 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 5: So that's a non starter for me personally. 844 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 7: But they're just weak. 845 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 5: Instead of investigating and putting out reports about these companies 846 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 5: for consanction, them pull them off the stock exchange. 847 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 7: Do something. I'm so tired of this passive voice. You know, 848 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 7: the tweets that we saw. 849 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,400 Speaker 5: Oh, we wouldn't have known that the FBI was spying 850 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 5: on us if it weren't for these brave What do 851 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 5: you mean, do you live under a rock? It's absolutely wild. 852 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,480 Speaker 5: This China Committee is a complete joke. Just do something 853 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,400 Speaker 5: about it for once, instead of tweeting about it. We 854 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 5: already know we're the war room posse. We're not like 855 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,400 Speaker 5: you know, the MSNBC crowd. 856 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,399 Speaker 7: Which is is a little slow they operate on maybe 857 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 7: halftime speed. 858 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 5: We're on two times speed, at least here in the 859 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 5: war room until next time. 860 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,319 Speaker 7: Thank you guys for joining me.