1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and iHeartRadio Podcast. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 2: This week's guest, We've got Caroline Jones coming on. She's 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: got a new album called The Good Omen Album available 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: this Friday. She's in the Zach Brown band, but she 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: also has a solo career with her new album. And 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: we're gonna just chat about the country world because we know. 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 3: Way too much. 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 4: She's also a mom, so just so many layers and 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 4: fields of expertise. 10 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 3: Let's get her on. Hi, guys, Hi, how are you. 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm good. How are you? Guys? 12 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 3: I'm good. 13 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: I'm Jama. This is Kristen. Hi guy, Okay, how long 14 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 2: have you been with Zach Brown? 15 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,319 Speaker 1: I've been. I mean I started opening for them, That's 16 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: how I met them in twenty seventeen, and then I 17 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: joined the band in twenty twenty one. 18 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 4: Twenty twenty one. Yeah, Caroline, we have a lot in common. 19 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 4: So my husband's in country music. He's half of Low Cash, 20 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 4: Yeah and yeah, And he knew of you when I 21 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 4: was asking last night. And you are signed under Harbor Records, 22 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 4: which used to which is an imprint a Big Machine. 23 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 4: I used to work at Big Machine, and I worked 24 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 4: with Jimmy Harnan so I loved seeing that you because 25 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 4: he is pretty picky with who he signs. 26 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: I know, I'm very honored he's he's a real warriors. 27 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 4: He's an incredible human and he means a lot to 28 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 4: my heart. So I love when he goes all in 29 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 4: on someone. He doesn't do that easily. So I already 30 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 4: knew that's so nice. On the business side, that you 31 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 4: had to be an exceptionally talented human, even beyond the 32 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 4: Zach Brown Bank family. 33 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been wonderful working with them. I never thought 34 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: i'd sign a record deal. I was independent for ten years, 35 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: so yeah, it's been a great match. 36 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: Actually, talk to me about going from solo to band 37 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: because it kind of reminds me of do you know Lindsay. 38 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: L Yeah cool. 39 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, so she's. 40 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: She's a friend of ours, and you know how she would, 41 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: you know, solo than Shanaia, but still you know, doing 42 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: her solo things. And I always wonder how that how 43 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: that is for you as a solo artist, because I 44 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: make up that that's your like, main goal is to 45 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: be a solo artist. But then when you're backing an 46 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: amazing band, But is there something that like what because 47 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: for me, it's like, okay, if you know, that's not 48 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: like you want to be that, you want to be 49 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: the main person, And how do you then deal with 50 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: feeling Okay, now I'm in a band, but this isn't 51 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: maybe the dream dream that I want at this moment, 52 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: Like how do you kind of chase the two? 53 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't think about it like that. Actually I'm 54 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: lucky because I'm a musician. So I'm a singer, songwriter artist, 55 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: but I'm also a real student of music and I 56 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: play a lot of different instruments, and so that makes 57 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: being in the Zach Brown Band such an honor for 58 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: me to be on stage with that caliber of musicians. 59 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: And I should add that I started out opening for 60 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: them as a solo artist, and so I started out 61 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: and have always had my own career, and so when 62 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: I joined the band, everyone in the band was aware 63 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: of that, and Zach's always been really, really supportive of that. 64 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: So the only conflict for me has been actually just 65 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: how to manage the schedules, especially now that I'm a 66 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: mom and they are two different parts of my brain. 67 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: You know, the artist, you're being the captain of a ship. 68 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: Everything is your vision, from the songwriting to the production 69 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: because I co produce my music to the visuals, to 70 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: the look and feel, to the marketing, like everything is 71 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: your vision. And then in the Zach Brown ban it's 72 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: a totally different challenge, which is what you know, I'm 73 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: a cog in a very large wheel. I'm a piece 74 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: of a puzzle, and like what do I bring? What 75 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: can I contribute as a musician as a singer, songwriter, 76 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: performer artist? You know, but really we're all in service 77 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: of Zach's vision and it's a real joy. It's a 78 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: totally different part of your brain. And I really enjoy 79 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: it and I've learned a lot. You know, they're like 80 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: my brothers at this point, but they're all master musicians 81 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: and have a lot more years in the music industry 82 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: than I do. So I'm a student of the band. 83 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: I was a big fan before I joined the band. 84 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: So I really really enjoy both. 85 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense, and they are definitely I mean 86 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: I remember when I hope it for them, like no, 87 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: maybe once or twice, but even just like watching them 88 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: like they're they're the truth, Like they remind me like 89 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 2: the Dave Matthews. 90 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: Band where so funny. 91 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: That's what I said today, Like they're just a band 92 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 2: and they're musically also talented, and they don't need radio. 93 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just there. They can hold their own. 94 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I can see how like that touches that 95 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: piece for you as well. 96 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 3: And then how old your child? 97 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: He's too, so okay, same we both have two Oh yeah, 98 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: so yeah. 99 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 4: We're just well I'm just a lot older than you. 100 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 4: I have a feeling. Yeah we had ours later, we're 101 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 4: elder mom round too. But yeah, I mean that's that's 102 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 4: hard too, because a lot of things once you become 103 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 4: a mom. It's like I remember when I toured for 104 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 4: a brief time, like I had the you know, the 105 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 4: the bus I. 106 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: Meant to yeah no, I was so sweet. 107 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but like it does change when you become a mom, 108 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: because I remember being like, okay, I've got a crib 109 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 2: on the bus, you know, and this is really expensive 110 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,119 Speaker 2: to have a second bus out. And now I'm making 111 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: negative you know, And then then I'm like, okay, how 112 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 2: is this going to look? 113 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: Like? 114 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: What do I how do I do this? 115 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: You know? And I think that's so hard for certain 116 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: artists when they become moms, because you do change. It 117 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: does change, you know, like your your outlook of like 118 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 2: the schedule and then wanting to be at the games, 119 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: like right now, like I'm about to turn down something 120 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: because I'm like, well, I don't want to miss her 121 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: last volleyball game, you know, but it's like that's the priority. 122 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: Right of course. Yeah, it's a balancing act, and I 123 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: feel lucky. I was really intentional about when I had 124 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: a child, and I had a lot of fears around 125 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 1: it because I love my job so much and because 126 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: I've been chasing I mean for you know, for for 127 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: career women in the same age, like ambition is your 128 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: calling card. So I was kind of chasing a stream 129 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: for a really long time and thinking that if I 130 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: did anything else in my life that it would be 131 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: a knock on how badly I wanted to be successful 132 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: in music. And you know, I think as you get older, 133 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: you realize that a lot of that is just like 134 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: cultural programming, or at least I did, and then you 135 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: actually can sit back and say, you know, what do 136 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: I really want and how would we balance it. My 137 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: husband really helped with that because he really believed in 138 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: in the dream of our family, you know, me being 139 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: able to pursue my music and our son growing up 140 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: seeing that and also being a mom, and it takes 141 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: a lot of buy in at least in our family 142 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: from your partner, you know, and a lot of willingness 143 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: to engage in a way that previous generations of men didn't. 144 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: And it obviously takes a village. But yeah, it's a 145 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: constant balance. And I find that, you know, this generation 146 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: of women, we have more options than any generation before 147 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: us has had and it's a great blessing, but it's 148 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: also can be overwhelming because you're like, well, what do 149 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: I do? Do I work? Do I mom? Do I 150 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: do both? Do I? You know? And I see a 151 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: lot of my friends, you know, wrestle with those decisions 152 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: because there is no perfect balance or perfect answer. But 153 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: speaking to what you said, Jewell, who's one of my 154 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: heroes and I'm lucky to call her friends, she reached 155 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: out to me when I was pregnant and she just said, 156 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: I'd love to help mentor you because I wish I 157 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: would have had a mom friend in the music industry 158 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: when I had a baby. She's said, you know, the 159 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: music industry is not set up for moms, and we 160 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: do have a unique set of challenges that men in 161 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: the music industry don't face, you know, so it's a 162 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: lot to navigate and that it's been beautiful and at 163 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: times really challenging. 164 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: But what's been one of the biggest tips she's given 165 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: you around motherhood and then being an artist so. 166 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: Many I mean, honestly, one of the best tips she 167 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: gave me was a reframe on the business side, because 168 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: you know, if you think about it, country music, our 169 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: values in this genre are really we're family orientated, like 170 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: more than any other genre, you know. And she said, 171 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: you know, constantly bring people in in a business because 172 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: there's this kind of tendency as a woman to be like, 173 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: oh I don't have a baby, like that won't affect me, 174 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: Like I'll do anything, you know what I sing, And 175 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: she said, like, constantly bring the people in your business 176 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: on your team, even radio people, like thank you for 177 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 1: coming to my bus, so I could, you know, spend 178 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: an extra hour with my child, Like you guys are 179 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: really as family oriented as you say you are, you know, 180 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: just bringing people, like calling people out on what they 181 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: say they stand for, and actually trying to engage people 182 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: in the fact that this is a family oriented genre 183 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: that says it is, you know, and so that was 184 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: a great tip. She is really great with just some 185 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: of the mom guilt that comes with traveling and how 186 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: do you know when to take them and how do 187 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: you know when to leave them at home? And she 188 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: just gave me some great advice on not trying to 189 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: achieve a perfect balance, but just trying to constantly achieve 190 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: harmony instead of balance, and that that will look different 191 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: at different points in your motherhood. She's given tons of 192 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: great advices. 193 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,479 Speaker 3: I love the genius. Yeah, she's one of my absolute 194 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 3: forever favorites. She's incredible. 195 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 4: I do have a question of who influenced you musically, 196 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 4: because as I was listening, we got to sneak through 197 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 4: like four songs. 198 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: Of yours that I sh comes out on her album 199 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 2: Good Omen album available Friday thirteenth. 200 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 4: And Exceptional and thank You Filled You're so talented. It 201 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 4: filled some gaps that I felt like I had been 202 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 4: missing musically as a country music fan. And so I 203 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 4: want to know who inspires you. And then I have 204 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 4: a secret person that I'm hoping you name because one 205 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 4: of the songs reminded me so much of one of 206 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 4: my favorite artists, and I thought, I really hope maybe 207 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 4: even in the back of your brain. This person. I 208 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 4: know you obviously say it, will you say it? 209 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: Yes? 210 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, good? 211 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 4: This is like a ton But there's sonically some things 212 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 4: that really just like home to me. And I was like, oh, 213 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 4: I've missed like and not that you are copying it 214 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 4: or that it's a redo, but it's like really richly 215 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 4: filling a gap that we've missed. 216 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: I want to now I'm curious. Yeah, you know, I 217 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: have such a range of influences. I grew up actually 218 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: listening to everything but country. So I came to country 219 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: later in my teens because I grew up in the Northeast, 220 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: and so I grew up listening to a lot of 221 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: classic R. 222 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 3: And B and rock where in the Northeast in Connecticut. 223 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 3: I love Connecticut. 224 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, cozy and very cozy, especially this time of year. 225 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: No choice but to be cozy this time. 226 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: Actually, So I grew up listening to a lot of 227 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: classic rock, R and B, a lot of Queen and 228 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: my mom loved Abba and like all the divas of 229 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: the nineties like Mariah and Whitney and Selene and and 230 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: so that was my musical background. Then I was trained 231 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: classically in opera and jazz, so I literally listened to 232 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: everything but country. But when I discovered country, I felt 233 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: like I found the missing peace use of my artistry 234 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: and the community of songwriters and musicians, I felt like 235 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: I'd come home in many ways musically when I first 236 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: went to Nashville and then I delved back into the 237 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: country and I fell in love. I started with the 238 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: Carter family and went forward and just listened to everything. 239 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: But I'd say my biggest country influences were probably Emiluis Harris, 240 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: Dolly Parton, Keith Urban was a huge one for me, 241 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: Willie Nelson obviously, Shanaia and Faith Hill, all the nineties stuff. 242 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: Taylor was a huge influence for me. It just kind 243 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: of ran the gamut. But I really gravitated toward artists 244 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: who played their lead instruments and produced and wrote and 245 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: were involved many ways musically. Vince gill is another huge 246 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: one for me. Yeah, but I'm curious you were thinking. 247 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: Of, I know, who are you thinking of? Martina? 248 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 4: Martina, there's one song you have specifically that's hard you 249 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 4: have to It's a Hellen is in the title I'm 250 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 4: so sorry that I have Hellen Yes, And I was like, 251 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 4: this reminds me so sweetly of the baby I Love 252 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 4: You song that she had in my Bride like it 253 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 4: just I was like, Oh, there's a little piece of 254 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 4: me that's like alive in this. So when you say 255 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 4: that you came here and felt like you were home sonically, 256 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 4: that delivers for me that you just found a sweet 257 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 4: lit because it's a you know, country music is a 258 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 4: saturated area and female artists are not as saturated. It's 259 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 4: not as saturated with female artists, I should say, as 260 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 4: it should be, but it's also not not competitive. So 261 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 4: for you to come in and create something that feels 262 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 4: like refreshing and like lovely and like intriguing is not 263 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 4: lost on me because it's hard to do those things, 264 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 4: you know, especially because you can tell you have a 265 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 4: deeper knowing of yourself. I think a lot of people 266 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 4: try to like fit in right and they try to 267 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 4: just do what they know. 268 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: It works. 269 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well again, I was independent for ten years and 270 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: I wrote by myself for a decade too, so I 271 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: really got a chance to develop my own voice as 272 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: a songwriter and a producer. And then I've been slowly 273 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: opening up more to On my third album, I opened 274 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: up more to co writing and stuff because I got 275 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: to a place where I feel like, Okay, I know 276 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: what I'm going to say if I sit down and 277 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: write this song, but I'm curious what people can pull 278 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: out of me and what I can learn. And so 279 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: I think that maybe that's what you're feeling is I 280 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: did have a very I was very artistically stubborn for 281 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: a long time. I mean, I still am in many ways, 282 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: but I really kind of developed my own style. 283 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 2: I don't think that's a bad thing, because there was 284 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: many times that I said I would say many There's 285 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: a few songs that on my album I to this day, 286 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 2: I'm like, I never liked the song, but I did. 287 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 3: It because my A and R GUI did. 288 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know yeah, And it's like I didn't stand 289 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: up for the sound that I wanted, you know, I 290 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: was I wanted he was my A and R and 291 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: you know, producer, so I wanted to just. 292 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: Make him happy. 293 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, if you think the song is great, 294 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: then I think the song is great. I didn't know 295 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 2: myself musically enough to Yeah. 296 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: It's tough when you're young, too, you know. 297 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 3: I mean I was in my late twenties. I should 298 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: have known better. But I know but there's a lot. 299 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: Young there's a lot of pressure, and you know, we 300 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: all have this dream and it's you know, we've all 301 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: been there in one way or another. But I was 302 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: pretty I mean I was probably too stubborn. I was 303 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: probably too closed minded. But I also had a manager 304 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: who really like supported and believed in that and believed 305 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: in me. And so I'm very lucky in that way 306 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't have that voice saying like, 307 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: go with what you think, you. 308 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: Know, because I remember very vividly this producer saying, you know, 309 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: when Dina Carter started to be stubborn about her music, 310 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: you stopped hearing her music. And I'm like, a odd, 311 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: Like that made me so scared because I'm like, okay, 312 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: so the songs that made her Dina were because they 313 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: were given to her, and then when she wanted to 314 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: have her say that was when you know, I know 315 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: the songs that she wanted and so it's it put 316 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: they put this fear into. And then when you look 317 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: at the list of all the non girls on the 318 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: country chart, you're like, okay, well whatever you think to 319 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: get me on that chap, because I got a one 320 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 2: out of fifty shot, right, you know, to get on there. 321 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: So it's and that's you know, that's and I don't 322 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: like that that's still a talking point, Like it still 323 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: bothers me that, but we should bother all of us 324 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,479 Speaker 2: because it's ridiculous. 325 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: Actually. Yeah. 326 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: And also I think something that helped for me was well, 327 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: first of all, all my heroes, part of the reason 328 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: they're my heroes is because they really were able to 329 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: stick to their guns even when it meant no success 330 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: for them, And that always really that kind of spirit 331 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: always really inspired me. But I also think it's helpful 332 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: to countries so focused on radio and so focused on 333 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: like short term commercial success. And I think when you 334 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: look at the arc of a career or like what 335 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: you really want to build, you can see that unless 336 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: you can ask to gained radio hits over decades, like 337 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: that's not going to get you a career that's decades long. 338 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: And I really want to be doing this for a 339 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: long time, so it's kind of it's a much slower burn, 340 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: but I'm hoping to create an audience over time. 341 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, That's why I respect like Casey Musgraves where it's 342 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: like she's just like in her lane, she knows who 343 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: she you know, I just I love like, I respect that. 344 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: So she's not going after a radio hit. Yeah, yeah, 345 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: so I love that. 346 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 4: Do you write often and do you enjoy the writing 347 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 4: process as much as artistry like this vocal side. 348 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 3: Now that you're bringing people in. 349 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I've found kind of a tribe of 350 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: people who I really love writing with tell us Okay, Well, 351 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: on this record, I met Lauren McLam who She's like, 352 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: it's just really cool to find your kind of right 353 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: hand man as a writer. I've never had that kind 354 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: of relationship with a writer where I feel like she 355 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: can finish my sentences, you know, Like I feel like 356 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: she's a finisher of my ideas because I have so 357 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: many ideas and so many concepts for songs and half 358 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: written songs, and she's just a great editor and a 359 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: great finisher, and I feel like we work really, really 360 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: well together. I also wrote with Eric Pasley a lot 361 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: on this album. 362 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: Oh I love him. He's a good radio tour together 363 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: way back in the day. Yeah. 364 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: He's such a great guy and such an interesting creative. 365 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: Like the way his brain works is so unique. Sarah Buxton, Oh, 366 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: I love Sarah. 367 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: She was my first album to love her. 368 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's such a she. And Joy Williams, who I 369 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: wrote with on this album too. I wrote the title 370 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: track with them. But they're like these like kind of magical, 371 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: witchy women. 372 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: That's such a good way to subscriber. Yeah, yeah, the best. 373 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so I just love honestly, I just love 374 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: getting together with them to hear what's going on their 375 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: lives and kind of glean their wisdom. And they're just 376 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: really strong women. So, you know, half the joy of 377 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: getting in the writer's room for me is just being 378 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: with people who It's such a unique experience to like 379 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: think of your job as getting together and basically doing 380 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 1: therapy together, you know. So I loved writing with all 381 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: those those folks on this album. And Brandon Ratcliffe. I 382 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: don't know if you guys know him. He's super talented too. 383 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 4: I've heard of Brandon, but I don't know him personally. 384 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: It's great, really good. 385 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 4: So you have focused a lot on the slow burn, 386 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 4: you say, and you've built this career over a decade. 387 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 4: But if there is the dream, or Caroline Jones, if 388 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 4: she doesn't, if she gets to just have her moment, 389 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 4: what is the dream? 390 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: I mean, the dream would be too. Really, for me, 391 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: it's playing live, you know, so whether that means playing theaters, 392 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: playing arenas, playing stadiums, like I've played all of those things, 393 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: opening for other people, but it's for me, it's really 394 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: about creating an audience. And like I said, I've been 395 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: doing that for a long time, and hopefully this record 396 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: with Nashville Harbor will open me up to an even 397 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: wider audience. But for me, it's about having that, you know, 398 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: ability to tour. Obviously I would love to have hits 399 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: and do all the things. I mean, of course I would. 400 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: I just at this point in my life too, Like 401 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: I think having a child really changes your why and 402 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: I just love music and I love creating, and I 403 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: want to find my audience and let all the other 404 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: chips find fall where they may, you know, because there's 405 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: so much in this industry you just can't. 406 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 3: Control, don't we know it? 407 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: Well? 408 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 4: That statement hit us both in the boat. 409 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 2: Yes, but you have such a positive energy an outlook 410 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: on it, Like you know, that's what I see in you, 411 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: even like the light shining in right now from the window. 412 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: I know you're just a vision, just like you're beautiful, 413 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: but you have like this really good energy where it's like, yeah, okay, 414 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 2: the charts are filled with men, but like I got 415 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 2: this and I just want my You're not looking for 416 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 2: obviously you'd love the top spot, but like you're just 417 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: you just want to path and people to follow along 418 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: and love who you are as an artist. 419 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 3: And I think that's like standard. 420 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: The other way I have found to be really either 421 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: just appointing or really anxiety written written. You know, like 422 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: if you're if that's what you're focused on, You're you're 423 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: constantly chasing something that's so out of your control, and 424 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: it's just not a pleasant light for me. You know, 425 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: I can't speak for everyone. 426 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: It's not a pleasant life here either. 427 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 2: I remember used to like waking up like media base 428 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: and just like every like you know day, being just 429 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 2: so stressed about it. 430 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: All right, So I feel like for me, like having 431 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: and being in the Zach brown Man is a great 432 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: outlet too, but just like putting the focus back on 433 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: the music and like what I'm contributing and what I'm 434 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: creating and who I'm creating it with, like that is 435 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: where the joy is for me. And and also I've 436 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: had the real privilege of opening up for a lot 437 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: of superstars and seeing them go out and live what 438 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: I've always thought was my dream and there they still 439 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: have mountains to climb, and they still don't feel it, 440 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: and they're still waiting for their next hit, and it's like, well, 441 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: when is it in? You know? So I think that 442 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: helped me too a lot. Was like opening for Jimmy 443 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: and Kenny and Zach and seeing how on the other 444 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: side of success is a whole other world of pressures 445 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: and pressure to do it again, and pressure to stay 446 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: at the top and pressure to keep toring, you know, 447 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: and it just it never ends. So it just helps 448 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: you put your focus back on the music. 449 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 4: You have such a beautiful slow confidence that I think 450 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 4: also could just really pour over into the role model 451 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 4: piece of life as girls start to, you know, younger 452 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 4: girls start to find you and be in your orbit. 453 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 2: Everyone go get her album good Omen It's available Friday 454 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 2: the thirteenth. Caroline Jones, thank you so much for coming 455 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: on the show. 456 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: Thank you, guys. 457 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 3: It's is good to follow alongation me too, sweet girl. Alright, 458 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 3: appreciate amazing, all right, thank you bye 459 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: Mm hmm.