WEBVTT - Draft Season: Episode 17- Draft Week Underway 0:00:03.462 --> 0:00:06.062 Tape Heeds. It's a production of I Heart Media and 0:00:06.102 --> 0:00:14.942 the NFL. It has finally arrived. It is finally Draft week, 0:00:15.382 --> 0:00:18.382 and now on tape Heeds Draft Season, we're at the 0:00:18.382 --> 0:00:21.782 finish line. Bobo schusan longtime radio voice of the New 0:00:21.862 --> 0:00:26.542 York Jets, feels like forever, also a guy who does 0:00:26.622 --> 0:00:29.182 play by play for ESPN for college football, And if 0:00:29.222 --> 0:00:32.102 I have been the Jet radio voice forever, it means 0:00:32.422 --> 0:00:36.142 that Greg co Sell has been twice forever breaking down 0:00:36.182 --> 0:00:38.902 the film for NFL films. You are that old and 0:00:38.942 --> 0:00:42.942 you have gone through that many drafts, forty plus years 0:00:43.142 --> 0:00:45.942 of breaking down the all twenty two. We have spent 0:00:46.022 --> 0:00:48.702 the past month and a half basically on tape Heeds 0:00:48.742 --> 0:00:52.462 Draft Season crawling behind the xes and oh's not doing 0:00:52.502 --> 0:00:54.862 the mock draft so much, but trying to give you 0:00:55.382 --> 0:00:59.222 as much of a real insider perspective on how teams 0:00:59.222 --> 0:01:02.022 of value players, on how they put their board together 0:01:02.422 --> 0:01:04.582 when the hay is final in the barn, the way 0:01:04.662 --> 0:01:08.382 teams are going to approach Thursday night and the rest 0:01:08.382 --> 0:01:10.102 of the draft through the weekend. And we're gonna have 0:01:10.382 --> 0:01:13.462 episodes of this podcast that will drop every day this week. 0:01:13.782 --> 0:01:17.702 So normally we do them on Tuesdays and Thursdays. The 0:01:17.702 --> 0:01:20.382 immediacy of the draft now happening on Thursday night, Greg, 0:01:20.462 --> 0:01:23.382 We're gonna get your material every single day, so you're 0:01:23.382 --> 0:01:25.702 gonna have new podcast leading up to the draft and 0:01:25.742 --> 0:01:29.982 also then reaction podcasts to the draft each weekday this 0:01:30.022 --> 0:01:32.582 week and uh, you know what, we're at the finish line, right, 0:01:32.582 --> 0:01:34.702 I mean you've said that by the time you get 0:01:34.742 --> 0:01:37.942 to this point as an NFL team, you might as 0:01:37.942 --> 0:01:40.022 well even just send your coaches home because the board 0:01:40.102 --> 0:01:44.142 is basically set or is there still some tweaking that 0:01:44.222 --> 0:01:46.862 can happen all the way up until that first card 0:01:46.942 --> 0:01:49.302 is turned in on Thursday night. Well, I know for 0:01:49.342 --> 0:01:51.302 a fact, Bob, that a lot of teams did send 0:01:51.302 --> 0:01:54.302 their coaches home. The coaches were gone last week because 0:01:54.382 --> 0:01:57.902 boards are done. And I think at this point, barring 0:01:57.942 --> 0:02:02.462 any new piece of information that's unfortunate for particular player, 0:02:03.102 --> 0:02:06.262 uh that comes out you know this week leading up 0:02:06.262 --> 0:02:10.702 to the draft, that pretty much nothing is going to change. Uh. 0:02:11.022 --> 0:02:12.582 Let's put it this way. I've not been in a 0:02:12.702 --> 0:02:15.822 draft room, so I don't know exactly how they do it, 0:02:15.862 --> 0:02:20.422 but my sense is nothing should change if you're changing now, 0:02:20.902 --> 0:02:24.542 then you're not really comfortable with your own convictions because 0:02:24.582 --> 0:02:28.222 obviously the footage doesn't change from the season, the pro 0:02:28.422 --> 0:02:33.102 days don't change. All the due diligence you've done doesn't change. 0:02:33.222 --> 0:02:38.422 All this work is done, so really nothing should change 0:02:38.462 --> 0:02:42.062 at this point. Having said that, though, there are still 0:02:42.102 --> 0:02:44.942 a lot of varying opinions of the top guys on 0:02:44.982 --> 0:02:47.782 the board, and we have done a deep dive into 0:02:47.782 --> 0:02:50.862 some of the dark horse candidates even for Day two 0:02:50.902 --> 0:02:53.142 and Day three of the draft, the guys that you 0:02:53.222 --> 0:02:55.822 really might be able to look like a genius with 0:02:55.862 --> 0:02:58.302 your friends watching the draft, when all of a sudden 0:02:58.382 --> 0:03:02.062 you start breaking down a player using great costell stolen information, 0:03:02.422 --> 0:03:04.662 and you know, I'm those diamonds in the rough. But 0:03:04.742 --> 0:03:06.622 let's circle back now to the top of the board. 0:03:06.902 --> 0:03:09.542 Let's get to some of the biggest names. And I 0:03:09.542 --> 0:03:14.382 think the most perplexing position is wide receiver, because there 0:03:14.382 --> 0:03:17.862 are three or four wide receivers that people believe could 0:03:17.862 --> 0:03:19.902 go off the board, if not in the top ten, 0:03:20.102 --> 0:03:23.222 certainly in the top fifteen. At the same time, we 0:03:23.302 --> 0:03:26.982 keep hearing about how incredibly deep the talent pool at 0:03:26.982 --> 0:03:29.742 wide receiver is. How you should be able to find 0:03:29.982 --> 0:03:33.182 a really good wide receiver later in the draft. So, 0:03:33.222 --> 0:03:35.942 if you have a top ten pick, are these guys, 0:03:36.022 --> 0:03:40.262 in your opinion, collectively worthy of that type of a 0:03:40.262 --> 0:03:43.502 reach because you know teams are gonna take them, unless 0:03:43.662 --> 0:03:46.262 you know, you start to think to yourself, well, you know, 0:03:46.302 --> 0:03:48.582 maybe I can use my draft capital to back out 0:03:48.582 --> 0:03:51.382 of the top ten to pick a wide receiver later 0:03:51.462 --> 0:03:54.022 on in the first in the second round. How do 0:03:54.062 --> 0:03:57.182 you break this group down, especially the guys who I 0:03:57.222 --> 0:03:59.342 think we're going to hear their names called early on 0:03:59.382 --> 0:04:03.022 Thursday night. Well, I think because this is a different year, 0:04:03.262 --> 0:04:05.142 and by different year, I mean we're not going to 0:04:05.222 --> 0:04:09.062 have three or four quarterbacks taken in the top ten. Um, 0:04:09.102 --> 0:04:11.982 there's going to be I think a wide variance in 0:04:11.982 --> 0:04:15.902 the way people view the prospects that are considered top 0:04:15.982 --> 0:04:19.702 five or top ten prospects in this particular draft, because 0:04:19.702 --> 0:04:22.662 you can only draft who's in this draft. So I 0:04:22.702 --> 0:04:26.262 think that the same will be said for wide receivers. Um. 0:04:26.342 --> 0:04:28.982 I know that many think that the receiver that I 0:04:29.062 --> 0:04:32.062 have is my number one is controversial, and that's fine. 0:04:32.422 --> 0:04:36.422 I've spoken to teams who absolutely agree that George Pickens 0:04:36.582 --> 0:04:40.022 is the best receiving prospect in this draft now, because 0:04:40.022 --> 0:04:43.182 he had didn't play last year until the very end, 0:04:43.222 --> 0:04:46.422 and that was just a select number of snaps, and 0:04:46.582 --> 0:04:49.182 because of other things that I don't know about, but 0:04:49.262 --> 0:04:51.822 I'm told about that he may not be that guy. 0:04:52.262 --> 0:04:56.102 But I'm starting to get the sense that the way 0:04:56.182 --> 0:05:00.382 teams think is big play Bob and Jamison Williams, although 0:05:00.422 --> 0:05:03.142 he may not be ready Week one, when you have 0:05:03.462 --> 0:05:07.982 game changers, impact players who can score, you know, in 0:05:08.022 --> 0:05:11.022 some ways, it's the it's the Tyree Hill theory. It's 0:05:11.062 --> 0:05:13.622 the idea that what are you trying to get accomplished 0:05:13.622 --> 0:05:16.742 in the NFL. You're trying to get accomplished now on offense, 0:05:17.142 --> 0:05:21.782 big explosive plays that score, and that forced the defense 0:05:21.822 --> 0:05:24.142 to have to play you a certain way, and that 0:05:24.222 --> 0:05:28.262 makes the defense predictable, and that's what offenses want. So 0:05:28.582 --> 0:05:31.142 I think as we get closer and again, you and 0:05:31.222 --> 0:05:33.582 I don't know what's going to happen Thursday night. Of 0:05:33.622 --> 0:05:37.502 course we don't, but you know, just from conversations I've 0:05:37.542 --> 0:05:40.622 had and seeing the way through my film study, over 0:05:40.622 --> 0:05:44.022 the last number of years, the league has evolved. I 0:05:44.062 --> 0:05:48.502 think the big play, explosive receiver is really of tremendous 0:05:48.582 --> 0:05:51.742 value right now. There are guys on this board, though, 0:05:52.262 --> 0:05:56.182 that have completely different body types, without question, completely different 0:05:56.262 --> 0:05:59.862 skill sets. They make big plays, but they make big 0:05:59.902 --> 0:06:03.422 plays happen in different ways. Right Like you said, George Pickens, 0:06:03.702 --> 0:06:05.862 you think he is and you might be an outlier, 0:06:05.902 --> 0:06:08.182 but you've got teams in the league that are telling 0:06:08.222 --> 0:06:10.342 you that they agree with you, that they think that 0:06:10.422 --> 0:06:13.542 he might be the best pure prospect in this draft. 0:06:13.582 --> 0:06:18.502 But the other guys like Garrett Wilson, Chrystal Lave, Drake, London, 0:06:19.302 --> 0:06:24.262 uh Traylon Burke's, Jamison Williams, John Dotson, all of these 0:06:24.302 --> 0:06:27.862 guys on a lot of boards are rated up, if 0:06:27.902 --> 0:06:31.382 not high in the first round, certainly capable of going 0:06:31.902 --> 0:06:34.262 in the first round. Do you have a name or 0:06:34.302 --> 0:06:36.662 two out of that group that maybe you've circled back 0:06:36.702 --> 0:06:39.502 to and maybe formed a little bit of a different 0:06:39.542 --> 0:06:42.262 opinion of than when you first looked at them back 0:06:42.302 --> 0:06:44.742 even six or eight weeks ago when we started breaking 0:06:44.742 --> 0:06:47.102 these prospects down, because I think wide receiver was one 0:06:47.102 --> 0:06:49.502 of the first position groups that we tackled, wasn't it. 0:06:49.702 --> 0:06:51.902 It was one of the first episodes we did. We 0:06:51.982 --> 0:06:54.702 dug into the wide receivers. Yeah, it's it's not a 0:06:54.702 --> 0:06:58.902 matter of revisiting, but just thinking it through. UM. I 0:06:58.982 --> 0:07:02.742 really like Garrett Wilson quite a bit. UM. I really 0:07:02.782 --> 0:07:06.262 think that he uses higher level receiving traits UM, and 0:07:06.342 --> 0:07:10.462 I think he gives you inside outside flexibility. I think 0:07:10.502 --> 0:07:13.502 that's very important today's NFL because you want to be 0:07:13.542 --> 0:07:16.022 in a position where you don't have to feel like 0:07:16.102 --> 0:07:19.462 players have to line up in a specific spot because 0:07:19.462 --> 0:07:22.022 that makes it easier to defend, you know, and us, 0:07:22.062 --> 0:07:24.942 of course you have an unbelievably great receiver like a 0:07:24.942 --> 0:07:28.982 Cooper Cup who tends to line up in the slot. Uh, 0:07:29.022 --> 0:07:32.342 probably a higher percentage of the time. But I think 0:07:32.342 --> 0:07:35.902 that Garrett Wilson, to me, he's about six ft, he's 0:07:35.942 --> 0:07:38.222 one eight three. You know, maybe you'd like him to 0:07:38.222 --> 0:07:41.062 weigh a little more, but I think he is the 0:07:41.102 --> 0:07:45.462 receiver UM that really stands out in terms of how 0:07:45.502 --> 0:07:48.662 he can be deployed in an NFL offense. And you know, 0:07:48.702 --> 0:07:51.542 you mentioned about wide receivers in general. You know, keep 0:07:51.542 --> 0:07:54.742 in mind that so many teams now are playing out 0:07:54.782 --> 0:07:58.382 of eleven personnel, meaning they have one back, one tight end, 0:07:58.422 --> 0:08:01.902 and three wide receivers. The Rams they won the Super Bowl, 0:08:02.262 --> 0:08:05.822 they played out of eleven personnel over eight of their 0:08:05.822 --> 0:08:10.502 offensive snaps. So I think the league has really moved 0:08:10.502 --> 0:08:14.262 in that direction. And you always need receivers, and you'd 0:08:14.382 --> 0:08:17.102 like to have receivers that you can line up in 0:08:17.182 --> 0:08:21.902 different locations within your offense. And Garrett Wilson is that guy. 0:08:22.582 --> 0:08:25.382 Thinking also about the top ten, and obviously I call 0:08:25.502 --> 0:08:28.222 Jets games. Two of the top ten picks are owned 0:08:28.262 --> 0:08:31.262 by the Jets. They have a young quarterback that you 0:08:31.262 --> 0:08:34.822 know they want to support, and their general manager has 0:08:35.262 --> 0:08:40.302 not just like surreptitiously publicly gone out and pursued big 0:08:40.342 --> 0:08:43.862 time wide receivers in this offseason and has not yet 0:08:43.902 --> 0:08:45.662 been able to add one. There are a lot of 0:08:45.702 --> 0:08:49.422 Deebo Samuel rumors going on with the Jets right now. 0:08:50.182 --> 0:08:53.942 Another team in Carolina, you know they've got good skill guys, 0:08:54.022 --> 0:08:57.622 but not top end wide receivers. Um they still have 0:08:57.702 --> 0:09:00.782 Sam Donald. They may draft a quarterback who knows, uh 0:09:01.022 --> 0:09:03.302 you have you know Atlanta that might be the market 0:09:03.302 --> 0:09:07.302 for a quarterback. Seattle Lot obviously has made a quarterback change. 0:09:07.742 --> 0:09:09.302 Taking a look at the top ten, some of the 0:09:09.302 --> 0:09:12.182 teams I just ran through, which teams do you think 0:09:12.262 --> 0:09:16.542 might prioritize wide receiver or might prioritize either going in 0:09:16.542 --> 0:09:18.902 a different direction, maybe taking one of those quarterbacks go 0:09:19.022 --> 0:09:21.822 to quarterback be reached for. I mean just the general 0:09:21.902 --> 0:09:24.862 concept of how the top ten to top twelve fall, 0:09:25.382 --> 0:09:27.502 because we're wondering if these wide receivers are gonna come 0:09:27.502 --> 0:09:30.062 off the board. But different teams obviously are gonna have 0:09:30.102 --> 0:09:33.222 different ways of approaching the top ten based on their needs. Yeah, 0:09:33.262 --> 0:09:36.102 and I would think that in the first round, and 0:09:36.102 --> 0:09:38.902 that's what we're talking about, we're talking about first round players. 0:09:39.422 --> 0:09:42.942 I would think that your team absolutely needs to prioritize 0:09:42.982 --> 0:09:46.102 a wide receiver. Um. They drafted one in the second 0:09:46.182 --> 0:09:48.622 round a year ago, when Elijah Moura player. I like, 0:09:49.062 --> 0:09:52.542 they obviously signed Corey Davis. He's solid. But I think 0:09:52.662 --> 0:09:55.902 when you have a young quarterback, there's two things you'd 0:09:55.942 --> 0:09:58.662 really like to make sure you do. Number One, you'd 0:09:58.702 --> 0:10:01.782 like to make sure that your offensive line is solid. 0:10:01.942 --> 0:10:05.182 And I think they addressed that certainly with Lake and Tomlinson, 0:10:05.182 --> 0:10:07.982 who'll started guard. And I think they feel very good. 0:10:08.022 --> 0:10:10.662 You would know better than I being there. Uh, they 0:10:10.662 --> 0:10:13.942 feel very good about Vera Tucker. Um. I guess Beckton 0:10:14.022 --> 0:10:16.382 becomes the question mark, but I think you want to 0:10:16.422 --> 0:10:20.062 make sure that on the outside you have some threats. 0:10:20.422 --> 0:10:22.982 So I think they for sure. And then the other 0:10:23.102 --> 0:10:25.862 team and I believe they draft eighth, and I think 0:10:25.902 --> 0:10:28.902 they have many needs. But right now, if you look 0:10:28.942 --> 0:10:32.622 at the Atlanta Falcons, I would bet that you'd be 0:10:32.662 --> 0:10:35.862 hard pressed unless you're a Falcons fan, to tell me 0:10:35.902 --> 0:10:40.382 their top three receivers. So I think that they absolutely 0:10:40.502 --> 0:10:44.142 need to address the wide receiver position, which doesn't mean 0:10:44.142 --> 0:10:47.742 they'll address it at pick eight, but they there certainly 0:10:47.822 --> 0:10:51.062 will be a wide receiver at eight that they have 0:10:51.302 --> 0:10:54.062 rated highly on their board. I mean, right now, if 0:10:54.102 --> 0:10:57.782 you look at their wide receiver position, they have Audent eight, 0:10:58.062 --> 0:11:02.822 Demere Bird, and Zachias Olamaday Zechias. Those are their three 0:11:02.862 --> 0:11:05.902 top wide receivers right now. Um, unless you want to 0:11:05.942 --> 0:11:08.462 count Kyle Pitts as one as well, and he probably 0:11:08.542 --> 0:11:11.982 is to some extent, but that that's their wide receiver 0:11:12.142 --> 0:11:16.342 trio as there as we speak this week. Bob, that's 0:11:16.342 --> 0:11:18.542 great co sell on Bobo shoes and the wide receivers. 0:11:19.102 --> 0:11:22.222 There is such depth of talent at that position, but 0:11:22.302 --> 0:11:25.742 still you've got these top end names. Who else might 0:11:25.782 --> 0:11:28.382 be picked in and around the top ten. If it's 0:11:28.382 --> 0:11:31.462 not a wide receiver. What position group might bump the 0:11:31.502 --> 0:11:34.982 wide receivers down? Could be the tackles, could be the 0:11:34.982 --> 0:11:38.902 pass rushers, could be the corners. And will a quarterback 0:11:38.982 --> 0:11:41.382 or two sneak their way into the top ten? Will 0:11:41.422 --> 0:11:45.302 teams reach the teams that need one? Could that happen? 0:11:45.502 --> 0:11:48.702 We will straight ahead continue to tell you the top 0:11:48.822 --> 0:11:51.702 names that you're going to hear called on Thursday night 0:11:52.022 --> 0:11:54.502 and what teams will be calling those names when we 0:11:54.622 --> 0:12:01.502 come back on TAPEDS Draft season. Back on TAPEDS Draft season, 0:12:01.542 --> 0:12:03.982 Bobo Shoes and Greg co Sell, and we just dug 0:12:03.982 --> 0:12:06.942 into the wide receivers, and it is a strange economy, 0:12:06.982 --> 0:12:11.022 as we said, with that position group top heavy, we expect, 0:12:11.262 --> 0:12:13.422 as you said, three or four names to go possibly 0:12:13.422 --> 0:12:15.782 in the top ten. But also there's a depth of 0:12:15.822 --> 0:12:19.382 talent that's probably not true at some of the other 0:12:19.422 --> 0:12:22.102 position groups that a lot of mock drafts will tell 0:12:22.142 --> 0:12:24.622 you guys that are gonna go in the top ten. 0:12:24.942 --> 0:12:27.222 So as you have dug deeper into, let's say start 0:12:27.262 --> 0:12:30.982 with the pass rushers back about six or eight months ago, 0:12:31.262 --> 0:12:34.542 maybe last year. Cavon Thibodeau was thought to be the 0:12:34.582 --> 0:12:37.302 no brainer number one pick in this draft. Now I 0:12:37.342 --> 0:12:40.182 don't think anyone has him anywhere as being the number 0:12:40.182 --> 0:12:43.062 one pick on the board. If it is a pass rusher, 0:12:43.422 --> 0:12:47.022 everyone seems to be leaning towards Aidan Hutchinson. Maybe it's 0:12:47.022 --> 0:12:49.502 a tackle, you know, maybe the idea for Jacksonville is, 0:12:49.582 --> 0:12:53.662 let's protect Trevor Lawrence, the cover corners, the Stingley's, the 0:12:53.662 --> 0:12:56.622 Sauce Gardeners of the world. We expect to also be 0:12:56.742 --> 0:12:59.662 drafted very very high. There's only ten picks in the 0:12:59.662 --> 0:13:02.662 top ten, right we probably just named with the wide receivers, 0:13:03.062 --> 0:13:06.462 with the ass rushers, with the corners, with the tackles, 0:13:06.702 --> 0:13:10.782 not even having gotten the quarterbacks. About twenty possible names. 0:13:10.822 --> 0:13:13.702 Someone's dropping out of the top ten. So which position 0:13:13.742 --> 0:13:16.542 group do you think is going to maybe create that 0:13:16.582 --> 0:13:19.942 early run. Isn't going to be those pass rushers as 0:13:19.982 --> 0:13:21.742 so many are speculating. Maybe all the way up at 0:13:21.742 --> 0:13:25.222 the top. You know, it's funny because I think there's 0:13:25.262 --> 0:13:28.822 a sense that Trayvon Walker is going to go very high. 0:13:29.182 --> 0:13:32.622 And Trayvon Walker is a very intriguing player because he's 0:13:32.622 --> 0:13:36.742 not a true edge rusher, but he could become one 0:13:36.822 --> 0:13:41.302 over time. He fits more of the mold. And I'm 0:13:41.342 --> 0:13:44.702 certainly not making a comparison to this particular player who 0:13:44.742 --> 0:13:47.102 just got into the Hall of Fame. I'm only mentioning 0:13:47.182 --> 0:13:49.702 him because of the way Trayvon Walker I think would 0:13:49.702 --> 0:13:52.822 be seen by teens, and that's Richard Seymour. Of course, 0:13:52.942 --> 0:13:55.262 Richard Seymour just got into the Hall of Fame and 0:13:55.302 --> 0:13:58.702 he was three d fifteen pounds um. Trayvon Walker is 0:13:58.742 --> 0:14:02.382 not three fifteen pounds. He's about to seventy. But if 0:14:02.422 --> 0:14:04.902 you're thinking about a player that can line up all 0:14:04.942 --> 0:14:08.782 across your defensive front and has a complete skill set 0:14:09.142 --> 0:14:13.182 with pass rush traits that are probably still developing and evolving, 0:14:13.862 --> 0:14:16.942 he's the player. I think when we started talking about 0:14:16.982 --> 0:14:19.382 this four or five weeks ago, Bob, there was no 0:14:19.462 --> 0:14:22.702 sense that Treyvon Walker would be in the discussion as 0:14:22.742 --> 0:14:24.982 a top pick or a top three pick in the draft. 0:14:25.622 --> 0:14:30.822 And you I remember bringing up Jermaine Johnson as well, Yes, Hutchinson, Thibodeaux. 0:14:31.222 --> 0:14:35.622 They got all the headlines, not just Walker. Also Jamaine Johnson, 0:14:36.142 --> 0:14:39.142 even a David a. Jabo coming off of a major injury, 0:14:39.742 --> 0:14:44.382 has very unique pass rushing skills, someone that probably could 0:14:44.382 --> 0:14:47.702 have been a top ten consideration before the injury. But 0:14:47.822 --> 0:14:50.662 Jermaine Johnson, I mean from your analysis and even some 0:14:50.702 --> 0:14:53.462 teams you may be talking to, is he still thought 0:14:53.542 --> 0:14:56.702 of as being maybe the dark Corse candidate to be 0:14:57.102 --> 0:15:00.702 the best pass rusher in this class. I think he's 0:15:00.742 --> 0:15:03.662 a little bit all over the board for people. Um 0:15:03.702 --> 0:15:07.142 And again I looked at his tape in great detail, 0:15:07.262 --> 0:15:10.222 so I have my viewpoint based on tape study. He's 0:15:10.222 --> 0:15:13.102 a player that I really really liked. I think, you know, 0:15:13.182 --> 0:15:16.222 that's the thing about this draft. I think Jermaine Johnson 0:15:16.262 --> 0:15:18.102 could be a top five pick, or it could be 0:15:18.622 --> 0:15:23.342 go between twenty. And I think because of this particular 0:15:23.502 --> 0:15:28.022 class of pass rushers, I don't think anybody sees one 0:15:28.342 --> 0:15:31.302 at the level of a must have. So I think 0:15:31.342 --> 0:15:34.702 now you're getting into the eye of the beholder team 0:15:34.822 --> 0:15:39.982 and scheme specific how they plan on deploying that particular player. Um. 0:15:40.142 --> 0:15:43.502 You know, we've seen someone like Cavon Thibodeaux. Cavon Thibodeau 0:15:43.582 --> 0:15:46.982 has great get off, He's a powerful man. Um, he 0:15:47.102 --> 0:15:49.782 does not have great bend when you get to the 0:15:49.782 --> 0:15:52.102 top of the arc. We talked about the fact that 0:15:52.742 --> 0:15:56.622 he's not really flattened his rush path kind of pass rusher. 0:15:56.942 --> 0:15:59.542 We saw him on tape when you watch the Oregon tape, 0:15:59.742 --> 0:16:03.302 play inside and beat guards much in the same way 0:16:03.542 --> 0:16:07.022 Jadeveon Clowney has done well in his career in the 0:16:07.142 --> 0:16:09.942 NFL because it's turned out he's not truly an edge 0:16:09.942 --> 0:16:14.462 pass rusher either. So I think it's how teams envision 0:16:14.622 --> 0:16:19.022 these players within the context of their defense. Even someone 0:16:19.062 --> 0:16:21.302 like Aiden Hutchinson, who I think is going to be 0:16:21.342 --> 0:16:24.662 a very good pro. We saw him move inside at 0:16:24.742 --> 0:16:28.182 times in the Michigan defense, so I think you're dealing 0:16:28.222 --> 0:16:32.422 with versatility more than the one guy who is Wow, 0:16:32.542 --> 0:16:35.382 he is such a good edge pass rusher, we absolutely 0:16:35.422 --> 0:16:37.862 have to have him. Is there a team in the 0:16:37.862 --> 0:16:40.742 top ten and a player in the top ten, maybe 0:16:40.742 --> 0:16:42.462 a team in the top five if these guys you 0:16:42.502 --> 0:16:45.502 think legitimately the Thibodeaus and Hutchinson's and maybe even the 0:16:45.542 --> 0:16:48.662 Walkers or Jamaine Johnson's might be in conversation for the 0:16:48.702 --> 0:16:52.382 top five top seven. Is there a marriage between team 0:16:52.422 --> 0:16:55.462 and player in your opinion that makes the most sense. 0:16:55.462 --> 0:16:58.502 A team that should be targeting a specific guy because 0:16:58.542 --> 0:17:01.422 he's the right fit for what they need. And as 0:17:01.422 --> 0:17:03.382 you said, this is a lot of times based on schematic, 0:17:03.902 --> 0:17:07.302 based on system, based on coach's belief in playing a 0:17:07.342 --> 0:17:09.782 certain way. What's the best marriage. Do you think pass 0:17:09.822 --> 0:17:13.022 rusher to team high on the draft? Well, that's a 0:17:13.062 --> 0:17:17.822 great question. Um, I'd be very curious what the Houston 0:17:17.902 --> 0:17:21.262 Texans are going to do. They've got so many needs. Okay, 0:17:21.262 --> 0:17:23.342 so they're a team that could go in any direction. 0:17:23.822 --> 0:17:26.542 But we know that love E Smith is their head coach. 0:17:26.942 --> 0:17:29.702 And what do we know about Lovey Smith? We know 0:17:29.942 --> 0:17:32.462 that in his career, and he made some adjustments a 0:17:32.542 --> 0:17:35.102 year ago because he had to. But at his core, 0:17:35.422 --> 0:17:37.982 what love Ee Smith wants to do is rush for 0:17:38.662 --> 0:17:42.382 and play coverage. He's been a cover to coach much 0:17:42.422 --> 0:17:44.542 of his career. As I said, he had just make 0:17:44.582 --> 0:17:48.142 some adjustments last year because he had to just based 0:17:48.182 --> 0:17:51.542 on his personnel. But he would like to rush for now. 0:17:51.582 --> 0:17:53.902 I'm not sitting here saying because we don't know that 0:17:53.942 --> 0:17:57.062 he absolutely is going to take a pass rusher, but 0:17:57.182 --> 0:18:00.262 I think they're a wild card in terms of pass rusher. 0:18:00.462 --> 0:18:03.862 Obviously many people have them taking an offensive alignment. They 0:18:03.902 --> 0:18:06.782 certainly need a corner as well, so they're all over 0:18:06.822 --> 0:18:10.142 the board. It's why they're drafting third. But at love 0:18:10.182 --> 0:18:13.022 The's core. He wants to be able to rush the 0:18:13.102 --> 0:18:16.502 quarterback with four you know, so is there a pass 0:18:16.582 --> 0:18:21.422 rusher in play for him? I would think there would be. Um, 0:18:21.462 --> 0:18:24.902 you know, Aidan Hutchinson to me is probably the the 0:18:25.222 --> 0:18:27.222 I hate to use this word, but people use it 0:18:27.462 --> 0:18:30.062 the safest because I think he will be a very 0:18:30.142 --> 0:18:33.542 good pro. Maybe not a dominant pro. You know, there's 0:18:33.582 --> 0:18:35.822 not He's not t J. Watt when you talk about 0:18:35.862 --> 0:18:39.182 edge pass rusher, but I think he's a very consistent 0:18:39.542 --> 0:18:43.102 edge player who you can move inside in your sub fronts. 0:18:43.942 --> 0:18:48.142 Same question with the tackles, right, you've got a quanto, 0:18:48.542 --> 0:18:52.142 he's probably. It seems as we've gone further and further 0:18:52.182 --> 0:18:54.542 in this draft, and I remember all the way back 0:18:54.582 --> 0:18:57.622 we had some guests on I think Jeff Hafley actually 0:18:57.702 --> 0:19:00.142 we brought him on from Boston College, mentioned the quantum 0:19:00.262 --> 0:19:02.542 thinking he was the best tackle in the draft that 0:19:02.622 --> 0:19:05.902 he plays with just that nasty. I want to finish you. 0:19:06.342 --> 0:19:08.782 I want to block you to the wall of the stadium. 0:19:09.062 --> 0:19:11.782 If you're the guy, that's my responsibility. He's that type 0:19:12.182 --> 0:19:15.342 of a player. Obviously, there are a couple of other guys, um, 0:19:15.502 --> 0:19:18.382 that are in this mix as well. Towards the top 0:19:18.382 --> 0:19:22.102 of the draft. You've got Neil Um. You know, let's 0:19:22.422 --> 0:19:24.382 see who else we got on our list too that 0:19:24.422 --> 0:19:27.262 I want to talk to about Neil. Charles Cross certainly 0:19:27.342 --> 0:19:30.302 is up there. Um. I guess maybe at second level, 0:19:30.382 --> 0:19:32.862 like a Tyler Smith. Um. You know there there are 0:19:32.862 --> 0:19:35.182 guys that I think we're also gonna hear some tackles 0:19:35.462 --> 0:19:37.582 called up on the top of the draft. So give 0:19:37.582 --> 0:19:39.382 me a marriage. But you think maybe with the young 0:19:39.462 --> 0:19:42.902 quarterbacks like the Zach Wilsons and you know, Trevor Lawrences 0:19:42.902 --> 0:19:44.742 of the world. I mean, as you said, if you're 0:19:44.742 --> 0:19:46.822 picking in the top five, top seven, top ten of 0:19:46.822 --> 0:19:49.422 a draft, you need a lot like by definition, you're 0:19:49.462 --> 0:19:51.742 a team that needs a lot of different things. But 0:19:51.782 --> 0:19:53.982 if you have a young quarterback, I would think it 0:19:54.022 --> 0:19:55.982 has to be very tempting to spend it a pick 0:19:56.022 --> 0:19:58.422 on a guy to protect him. Well, the biggest question 0:19:59.822 --> 0:20:02.462 is where do you play him. There are many teams 0:20:02.462 --> 0:20:05.422 in this league that of Iguannu as a guard not 0:20:05.582 --> 0:20:08.102 a tackle. Now, I think you can start him at 0:20:08.142 --> 0:20:10.902 tackle and see how it goes. But if you put 0:20:10.982 --> 0:20:13.462 him at guard. You know, there are certain players that 0:20:13.542 --> 0:20:16.982 came into this league that were drafted high. Brandon Sheriff 0:20:17.142 --> 0:20:19.182 is a name that immediately comes to mind. He was 0:20:19.222 --> 0:20:22.982 a left tackle at Iowa. Washington drafted him and immediately 0:20:23.022 --> 0:20:25.742 put him at guard and he became an All Pro guard. 0:20:26.182 --> 0:20:30.942 Iguana who has elite size, length, power, and the mindset 0:20:30.982 --> 0:20:35.902 to play guard. He does not have the ideal traits 0:20:35.982 --> 0:20:38.782 to play tackle, even though that's what he played for 0:20:38.822 --> 0:20:41.702 the most part of North Carolina State. And I believe 0:20:41.822 --> 0:20:44.742 that more than likely he will he will be drafted 0:20:44.782 --> 0:20:48.382 as a tackle. But he's a little straight legged, he's 0:20:48.462 --> 0:20:52.102 a little lower body stiff. He's not ideal for the 0:20:52.142 --> 0:20:55.062 tackle position. So I am very curious. You know, I 0:20:55.102 --> 0:21:00.062 mentioned Houston. They obviously need a tackle as well, um, 0:21:00.302 --> 0:21:03.022 so I don't know how they see Iguana. You could 0:21:03.022 --> 0:21:06.422 even talk about Jacksonville. We've heard that there's four players 0:21:06.462 --> 0:21:10.622 that sort of were in the running for their first pick. 0:21:11.022 --> 0:21:13.382 They could view Iguana, who as a guard, because they 0:21:13.462 --> 0:21:16.942 just signed Cam Robinson who will be their left tackle. 0:21:17.382 --> 0:21:21.622 So but but tackles could start going off the board 0:21:21.822 --> 0:21:24.902 because you're going to have the top three with the Kwando, 0:21:25.022 --> 0:21:27.462 Neil and Cross and then you're going to get into 0:21:27.502 --> 0:21:30.902 the Trevor Pennings of the world players like that who 0:21:30.942 --> 0:21:34.982 could easily start to come off the board. Corner that's 0:21:34.982 --> 0:21:39.022 the other position group that seems to be collectively thought 0:21:39.022 --> 0:21:43.062 of as being, you know, star driven. In this draft, 0:21:43.062 --> 0:21:46.182 you've got Sauce, Gardner and Stingley right there, guys that 0:21:46.222 --> 0:21:48.542 we are expecting to hear their names in the top 0:21:48.582 --> 0:21:50.302 ten as well. We're starting to run out of spots 0:21:50.782 --> 0:21:52.862 in the top ten. But it does seem to be 0:21:53.022 --> 0:21:56.822 wide receiver, multiple guys, tackle, as we said, multiple guys, 0:21:57.142 --> 0:22:02.302