Speaker 1: Tape Heeds. It's a production of I Heart Media and
Speaker 1: the NFL. It has finally arrived. It is finally Draft week,
Speaker 1: and now on tape Heeds Draft Season, we're at the
Speaker 1: finish line. Bobo schusan longtime radio voice of the New
Speaker 1: York Jets, feels like forever, also a guy who does
Speaker 1: play by play for ESPN for college football, And if
Speaker 1: I have been the Jet radio voice forever, it means
Speaker 1: that Greg co Sell has been twice forever breaking down
Speaker 1: the film for NFL films. You are that old and
Speaker 1: you have gone through that many drafts, forty plus years
Speaker 1: of breaking down the all twenty two. We have spent
Speaker 1: the past month and a half basically on tape Heeds
Speaker 1: Draft Season crawling behind the xes and oh's not doing
Speaker 1: the mock draft so much, but trying to give you
Speaker 1: as much of a real insider perspective on how teams
Speaker 1: of value players, on how they put their board together
Speaker 1: when the hay is final in the barn, the way
Speaker 1: teams are going to approach Thursday night and the rest
Speaker 1: of the draft through the weekend. And we're gonna have
Speaker 1: episodes of this podcast that will drop every day this week.
Speaker 1: So normally we do them on Tuesdays and Thursdays. The
Speaker 1: immediacy of the draft now happening on Thursday night, Greg,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get your material every single day, so you're
Speaker 1: gonna have new podcast leading up to the draft and
Speaker 1: also then reaction podcasts to the draft each weekday this
Speaker 1: week and uh, you know what, we're at the finish line, right,
Speaker 1: I mean you've said that by the time you get
Speaker 1: to this point as an NFL team, you might as
Speaker 1: well even just send your coaches home because the board
Speaker 1: is basically set or is there still some tweaking that
Speaker 1: can happen all the way up until that first card
Speaker 1: is turned in on Thursday night. Well, I know for
Speaker 1: a fact, Bob, that a lot of teams did send
Speaker 1: their coaches home. The coaches were gone last week because
Speaker 1: boards are done. And I think at this point, barring
Speaker 1: any new piece of information that's unfortunate for particular player,
Speaker 1: uh that comes out you know this week leading up
Speaker 1: to the draft, that pretty much nothing is going to change. Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's put it this way. I've not been in a
Speaker 1: draft room, so I don't know exactly how they do it,
Speaker 1: but my sense is nothing should change if you're changing now,
Speaker 1: then you're not really comfortable with your own convictions because
Speaker 1: obviously the footage doesn't change from the season, the pro
Speaker 1: days don't change. All the due diligence you've done doesn't change.
Speaker 1: All this work is done, so really nothing should change
Speaker 1: at this point. Having said that, though, there are still
Speaker 1: a lot of varying opinions of the top guys on
Speaker 1: the board, and we have done a deep dive into
Speaker 1: some of the dark horse candidates even for Day two
Speaker 1: and Day three of the draft, the guys that you
Speaker 1: really might be able to look like a genius with
Speaker 1: your friends watching the draft, when all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you start breaking down a player using great costell stolen information,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm those diamonds in the rough. But
Speaker 1: let's circle back now to the top of the board.
Speaker 1: Let's get to some of the biggest names. And I
Speaker 1: think the most perplexing position is wide receiver, because there
Speaker 1: are three or four wide receivers that people believe could
Speaker 1: go off the board, if not in the top ten,
Speaker 1: certainly in the top fifteen. At the same time, we
Speaker 1: keep hearing about how incredibly deep the talent pool at
Speaker 1: wide receiver is. How you should be able to find
Speaker 1: a really good wide receiver later in the draft. So,
Speaker 1: if you have a top ten pick, are these guys,
Speaker 1: in your opinion, collectively worthy of that type of a
Speaker 1: reach because you know teams are gonna take them, unless
Speaker 1: you know, you start to think to yourself, well, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I can use my draft capital to back out
Speaker 1: of the top ten to pick a wide receiver later
Speaker 1: on in the first in the second round. How do
Speaker 1: you break this group down, especially the guys who I
Speaker 1: think we're going to hear their names called early on
Speaker 1: Thursday night. Well, I think because this is a different year,
Speaker 1: and by different year, I mean we're not going to
Speaker 1: have three or four quarterbacks taken in the top ten. Um,
Speaker 1: there's going to be I think a wide variance in
Speaker 1: the way people view the prospects that are considered top
Speaker 1: five or top ten prospects in this particular draft, because
Speaker 1: you can only draft who's in this draft. So I
Speaker 1: think that the same will be said for wide receivers. Um.
Speaker 1: I know that many think that the receiver that I
Speaker 1: have is my number one is controversial, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: I've spoken to teams who absolutely agree that George Pickens
Speaker 1: is the best receiving prospect in this draft now, because
Speaker 1: he had didn't play last year until the very end,
Speaker 1: and that was just a select number of snaps, and
Speaker 1: because of other things that I don't know about, but
Speaker 1: I'm told about that he may not be that guy.
Speaker 1: But I'm starting to get the sense that the way
Speaker 1: teams think is big play Bob and Jamison Williams, although
Speaker 1: he may not be ready Week one, when you have
Speaker 1: game changers, impact players who can score, you know, in
Speaker 1: some ways, it's the it's the Tyree Hill theory. It's
Speaker 1: the idea that what are you trying to get accomplished
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You're trying to get accomplished now on offense,
Speaker 1: big explosive plays that score, and that forced the defense
Speaker 1: to have to play you a certain way, and that
Speaker 1: makes the defense predictable, and that's what offenses want. So
Speaker 1: I think as we get closer and again, you and
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen Thursday night. Of
Speaker 1: course we don't, but you know, just from conversations I've
Speaker 1: had and seeing the way through my film study, over
Speaker 1: the last number of years, the league has evolved. I
Speaker 1: think the big play, explosive receiver is really of tremendous
Speaker 1: value right now. There are guys on this board, though,
Speaker 1: that have completely different body types, without question, completely different
Speaker 1: skill sets. They make big plays, but they make big
Speaker 1: plays happen in different ways. Right Like you said, George Pickens,
Speaker 1: you think he is and you might be an outlier,
Speaker 1: but you've got teams in the league that are telling
Speaker 1: you that they agree with you, that they think that
Speaker 1: he might be the best pure prospect in this draft.
Speaker 1: But the other guys like Garrett Wilson, Chrystal Lave, Drake, London,
Speaker 1: uh Traylon Burke's, Jamison Williams, John Dotson, all of these
Speaker 1: guys on a lot of boards are rated up, if
Speaker 1: not high in the first round, certainly capable of going
Speaker 1: in the first round. Do you have a name or
Speaker 1: two out of that group that maybe you've circled back
Speaker 1: to and maybe formed a little bit of a different
Speaker 1: opinion of than when you first looked at them back
Speaker 1: even six or eight weeks ago when we started breaking
Speaker 1: these prospects down, because I think wide receiver was one
Speaker 1: of the first position groups that we tackled, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: It was one of the first episodes we did. We
Speaker 1: dug into the wide receivers. Yeah, it's it's not a
Speaker 1: matter of revisiting, but just thinking it through. UM. I
Speaker 1: really like Garrett Wilson quite a bit. UM. I really
Speaker 1: think that he uses higher level receiving traits UM, and
Speaker 1: I think he gives you inside outside flexibility. I think
Speaker 1: that's very important today's NFL because you want to be
Speaker 1: in a position where you don't have to feel like
Speaker 1: players have to line up in a specific spot because
Speaker 1: that makes it easier to defend, you know, and us,
Speaker 1: of course you have an unbelievably great receiver like a
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup who tends to line up in the slot. Uh,
Speaker 1: probably a higher percentage of the time. But I think
Speaker 1: that Garrett Wilson, to me, he's about six ft, he's
Speaker 1: one eight three. You know, maybe you'd like him to
Speaker 1: weigh a little more, but I think he is the
Speaker 1: receiver UM that really stands out in terms of how
Speaker 1: he can be deployed in an NFL offense. And you know,
Speaker 1: you mentioned about wide receivers in general. You know, keep
Speaker 1: in mind that so many teams now are playing out
Speaker 1: of eleven personnel, meaning they have one back, one tight end,
Speaker 1: and three wide receivers. The Rams they won the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: they played out of eleven personnel over eight of their
Speaker 1: offensive snaps. So I think the league has really moved
Speaker 1: in that direction. And you always need receivers, and you'd
Speaker 1: like to have receivers that you can line up in
Speaker 1: different locations within your offense. And Garrett Wilson is that guy.
Speaker 1: Thinking also about the top ten, and obviously I call
Speaker 1: Jets games. Two of the top ten picks are owned
Speaker 1: by the Jets. They have a young quarterback that you
Speaker 1: know they want to support, and their general manager has
Speaker 1: not just like surreptitiously publicly gone out and pursued big
Speaker 1: time wide receivers in this offseason and has not yet
Speaker 1: been able to add one. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel rumors going on with the Jets right now.
Speaker 1: Another team in Carolina, you know they've got good skill guys,
Speaker 1: but not top end wide receivers. Um they still have
Speaker 1: Sam Donald. They may draft a quarterback who knows, uh
Speaker 1: you have you know Atlanta that might be the market
Speaker 1: for a quarterback. Seattle Lot obviously has made a quarterback change.
Speaker 1: Taking a look at the top ten, some of the
Speaker 1: teams I just ran through, which teams do you think
Speaker 1: might prioritize wide receiver or might prioritize either going in
Speaker 1: a different direction, maybe taking one of those quarterbacks go
Speaker 1: to quarterback be reached for. I mean just the general
Speaker 1: concept of how the top ten to top twelve fall,
Speaker 1: because we're wondering if these wide receivers are gonna come
Speaker 1: off the board. But different teams obviously are gonna have
Speaker 1: different ways of approaching the top ten based on their needs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I would think that in the first round, and
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about, we're talking about first round players.
Speaker 1: I would think that your team absolutely needs to prioritize
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Um. They drafted one in the second
Speaker 1: round a year ago, when Elijah Moura player. I like,
Speaker 1: they obviously signed Corey Davis. He's solid. But I think
Speaker 1: when you have a young quarterback, there's two things you'd
Speaker 1: really like to make sure you do. Number One, you'd
Speaker 1: like to make sure that your offensive line is solid.
Speaker 1: And I think they addressed that certainly with Lake and Tomlinson,
Speaker 1: who'll started guard. And I think they feel very good.
Speaker 1: You would know better than I being there. Uh, they
Speaker 1: feel very good about Vera Tucker. Um. I guess Beckton
Speaker 1: becomes the question mark, but I think you want to
Speaker 1: make sure that on the outside you have some threats.
Speaker 1: So I think they for sure. And then the other
Speaker 1: team and I believe they draft eighth, and I think
Speaker 1: they have many needs. But right now, if you look
Speaker 1: at the Atlanta Falcons, I would bet that you'd be
Speaker 1: hard pressed unless you're a Falcons fan, to tell me
Speaker 1: their top three receivers. So I think that they absolutely
Speaker 1: need to address the wide receiver position, which doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they'll address it at pick eight, but they there certainly
Speaker 1: will be a wide receiver at eight that they have
Speaker 1: rated highly on their board. I mean, right now, if
Speaker 1: you look at their wide receiver position, they have Audent eight,
Speaker 1: Demere Bird, and Zachias Olamaday Zechias. Those are their three
Speaker 1: top wide receivers right now. Um, unless you want to
Speaker 1: count Kyle Pitts as one as well, and he probably
Speaker 1: is to some extent, but that that's their wide receiver
Speaker 1: trio as there as we speak this week. Bob, that's
Speaker 1: great co sell on Bobo shoes and the wide receivers.
Speaker 1: There is such depth of talent at that position, but
Speaker 1: still you've got these top end names. Who else might
Speaker 1: be picked in and around the top ten. If it's
Speaker 1: not a wide receiver. What position group might bump the
Speaker 1: wide receivers down? Could be the tackles, could be the
Speaker 1: pass rushers, could be the corners. And will a quarterback
Speaker 1: or two sneak their way into the top ten? Will
Speaker 1: teams reach the teams that need one? Could that happen?
Speaker 1: We will straight ahead continue to tell you the top
Speaker 1: names that you're going to hear called on Thursday night
Speaker 1: and what teams will be calling those names when we
Speaker 1: come back on TAPEDS Draft season. Back on TAPEDS Draft season,
Speaker 1: Bobo Shoes and Greg co Sell, and we just dug
Speaker 1: into the wide receivers, and it is a strange economy,
Speaker 1: as we said, with that position group top heavy, we expect,
Speaker 1: as you said, three or four names to go possibly
Speaker 1: in the top ten. But also there's a depth of
Speaker 1: talent that's probably not true at some of the other
Speaker 1: position groups that a lot of mock drafts will tell
Speaker 1: you guys that are gonna go in the top ten.
Speaker 1: So as you have dug deeper into, let's say start
Speaker 1: with the pass rushers back about six or eight months ago,
Speaker 1: maybe last year. Cavon Thibodeau was thought to be the
Speaker 1: no brainer number one pick in this draft. Now I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone has him anywhere as being the number
Speaker 1: one pick on the board. If it is a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: everyone seems to be leaning towards Aidan Hutchinson. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: a tackle, you know, maybe the idea for Jacksonville is,
Speaker 1: let's protect Trevor Lawrence, the cover corners, the Stingley's, the
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardeners of the world. We expect to also be
Speaker 1: drafted very very high. There's only ten picks in the
Speaker 1: top ten, right we probably just named with the wide receivers,
Speaker 1: with the ass rushers, with the corners, with the tackles,
Speaker 1: not even having gotten the quarterbacks. About twenty possible names.
Speaker 1: Someone's dropping out of the top ten. So which position
Speaker 1: group do you think is going to maybe create that
Speaker 1: early run. Isn't going to be those pass rushers as
Speaker 1: so many are speculating. Maybe all the way up at
Speaker 1: the top. You know, it's funny because I think there's
Speaker 1: a sense that Trayvon Walker is going to go very high.
Speaker 1: And Trayvon Walker is a very intriguing player because he's
Speaker 1: not a true edge rusher, but he could become one
Speaker 1: over time. He fits more of the mold. And I'm
Speaker 1: certainly not making a comparison to this particular player who
Speaker 1: just got into the Hall of Fame. I'm only mentioning
Speaker 1: him because of the way Trayvon Walker I think would
Speaker 1: be seen by teens, and that's Richard Seymour. Of course,
Speaker 1: Richard Seymour just got into the Hall of Fame and
Speaker 1: he was three d fifteen pounds um. Trayvon Walker is
Speaker 1: not three fifteen pounds. He's about to seventy. But if
Speaker 1: you're thinking about a player that can line up all
Speaker 1: across your defensive front and has a complete skill set
Speaker 1: with pass rush traits that are probably still developing and evolving,
Speaker 1: he's the player. I think when we started talking about
Speaker 1: this four or five weeks ago, Bob, there was no
Speaker 1: sense that Treyvon Walker would be in the discussion as
Speaker 1: a top pick or a top three pick in the draft.
Speaker 1: And you I remember bringing up Jermaine Johnson as well, Yes, Hutchinson, Thibodeaux.
Speaker 1: They got all the headlines, not just Walker. Also Jamaine Johnson,
Speaker 1: even a David a. Jabo coming off of a major injury,
Speaker 1: has very unique pass rushing skills, someone that probably could
Speaker 1: have been a top ten consideration before the injury. But
Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson, I mean from your analysis and even some
Speaker 1: teams you may be talking to, is he still thought
Speaker 1: of as being maybe the dark Corse candidate to be
Speaker 1: the best pass rusher in this class. I think he's
Speaker 1: a little bit all over the board for people. Um
Speaker 1: And again I looked at his tape in great detail,
Speaker 1: so I have my viewpoint based on tape study. He's
Speaker 1: a player that I really really liked. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: that's the thing about this draft. I think Jermaine Johnson
Speaker 1: could be a top five pick, or it could be
Speaker 1: go between twenty. And I think because of this particular
Speaker 1: class of pass rushers, I don't think anybody sees one
Speaker 1: at the level of a must have. So I think
Speaker 1: now you're getting into the eye of the beholder team
Speaker 1: and scheme specific how they plan on deploying that particular player. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen someone like Cavon Thibodeaux. Cavon Thibodeau
Speaker 1: has great get off, He's a powerful man. Um, he
Speaker 1: does not have great bend when you get to the
Speaker 1: top of the arc. We talked about the fact that
Speaker 1: he's not really flattened his rush path kind of pass rusher.
Speaker 1: We saw him on tape when you watch the Oregon tape,
Speaker 1: play inside and beat guards much in the same way
Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney has done well in his career in the
Speaker 1: NFL because it's turned out he's not truly an edge
Speaker 1: pass rusher either. So I think it's how teams envision
Speaker 1: these players within the context of their defense. Even someone
Speaker 1: like Aiden Hutchinson, who I think is going to be
Speaker 1: a very good pro. We saw him move inside at
Speaker 1: times in the Michigan defense, so I think you're dealing
Speaker 1: with versatility more than the one guy who is Wow,
Speaker 1: he is such a good edge pass rusher, we absolutely
Speaker 1: have to have him. Is there a team in the
Speaker 1: top ten and a player in the top ten, maybe
Speaker 1: a team in the top five if these guys you
Speaker 1: think legitimately the Thibodeaus and Hutchinson's and maybe even the
Speaker 1: Walkers or Jamaine Johnson's might be in conversation for the
Speaker 1: top five top seven. Is there a marriage between team
Speaker 1: and player in your opinion that makes the most sense.
Speaker 1: A team that should be targeting a specific guy because
Speaker 1: he's the right fit for what they need. And as
Speaker 1: you said, this is a lot of times based on schematic,
Speaker 1: based on system, based on coach's belief in playing a
Speaker 1: certain way. What's the best marriage. Do you think pass
Speaker 1: rusher to team high on the draft? Well, that's a
Speaker 1: great question. Um, I'd be very curious what the Houston
Speaker 1: Texans are going to do. They've got so many needs. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they're a team that could go in any direction.
Speaker 1: But we know that love E Smith is their head coach.
Speaker 1: And what do we know about Lovey Smith? We know
Speaker 1: that in his career, and he made some adjustments a
Speaker 1: year ago because he had to. But at his core,
Speaker 1: what love Ee Smith wants to do is rush for
Speaker 1: and play coverage. He's been a cover to coach much
Speaker 1: of his career. As I said, he had just make
Speaker 1: some adjustments last year because he had to just based
Speaker 1: on his personnel. But he would like to rush for now.
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here saying because we don't know that
Speaker 1: he absolutely is going to take a pass rusher, but
Speaker 1: I think they're a wild card in terms of pass rusher.
Speaker 1: Obviously many people have them taking an offensive alignment. They
Speaker 1: certainly need a corner as well, so they're all over
Speaker 1: the board. It's why they're drafting third. But at love
Speaker 1: The's core. He wants to be able to rush the
Speaker 1: quarterback with four you know, so is there a pass
Speaker 1: rusher in play for him? I would think there would be. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Aidan Hutchinson to me is probably the the
Speaker 1: I hate to use this word, but people use it
Speaker 1: the safest because I think he will be a very
Speaker 1: good pro. Maybe not a dominant pro. You know, there's
Speaker 1: not He's not t J. Watt when you talk about
Speaker 1: edge pass rusher, but I think he's a very consistent
Speaker 1: edge player who you can move inside in your sub fronts.
Speaker 1: Same question with the tackles, right, you've got a quanto,
Speaker 1: he's probably. It seems as we've gone further and further
Speaker 1: in this draft, and I remember all the way back
Speaker 1: we had some guests on I think Jeff Hafley actually
Speaker 1: we brought him on from Boston College, mentioned the quantum
Speaker 1: thinking he was the best tackle in the draft that
Speaker 1: he plays with just that nasty. I want to finish you.
Speaker 1: I want to block you to the wall of the stadium.
Speaker 1: If you're the guy, that's my responsibility. He's that type
Speaker 1: of a player. Obviously, there are a couple of other guys, um,
Speaker 1: that are in this mix as well. Towards the top
Speaker 1: of the draft. You've got Neil Um. You know, let's
Speaker 1: see who else we got on our list too that
Speaker 1: I want to talk to about Neil. Charles Cross certainly
Speaker 1: is up there. Um. I guess maybe at second level,
Speaker 1: like a Tyler Smith. Um. You know there there are
Speaker 1: guys that I think we're also gonna hear some tackles
Speaker 1: called up on the top of the draft. So give
Speaker 1: me a marriage. But you think maybe with the young
Speaker 1: quarterbacks like the Zach Wilsons and you know, Trevor Lawrences
Speaker 1: of the world. I mean, as you said, if you're
Speaker 1: picking in the top five, top seven, top ten of
Speaker 1: a draft, you need a lot like by definition, you're
Speaker 1: a team that needs a lot of different things. But
Speaker 1: if you have a young quarterback, I would think it
Speaker 1: has to be very tempting to spend it a pick
Speaker 1: on a guy to protect him. Well, the biggest question
Speaker 1: is where do you play him. There are many teams
Speaker 1: in this league that of Iguannu as a guard not
Speaker 1: a tackle. Now, I think you can start him at
Speaker 1: tackle and see how it goes. But if you put
Speaker 1: him at guard. You know, there are certain players that
Speaker 1: came into this league that were drafted high. Brandon Sheriff
Speaker 1: is a name that immediately comes to mind. He was
Speaker 1: a left tackle at Iowa. Washington drafted him and immediately
Speaker 1: put him at guard and he became an All Pro guard.
Speaker 1: Iguana who has elite size, length, power, and the mindset
Speaker 1: to play guard. He does not have the ideal traits
Speaker 1: to play tackle, even though that's what he played for
Speaker 1: the most part of North Carolina State. And I believe
Speaker 1: that more than likely he will he will be drafted
Speaker 1: as a tackle. But he's a little straight legged, he's
Speaker 1: a little lower body stiff. He's not ideal for the
Speaker 1: tackle position. So I am very curious. You know, I
Speaker 1: mentioned Houston. They obviously need a tackle as well, um,
Speaker 1: so I don't know how they see Iguana. You could
Speaker 1: even talk about Jacksonville. We've heard that there's four players
Speaker 1: that sort of were in the running for their first pick.
Speaker 1: They could view Iguana, who as a guard, because they
Speaker 1: just signed Cam Robinson who will be their left tackle.
Speaker 1: So but but tackles could start going off the board
Speaker 1: because you're going to have the top three with the Kwando,
Speaker 1: Neil and Cross and then you're going to get into
Speaker 1: the Trevor Pennings of the world players like that who
Speaker 1: could easily start to come off the board. Corner that's
Speaker 1: the other position group that seems to be collectively thought
Speaker 1: of as being, you know, star driven. In this draft,
Speaker 1: you've got Sauce, Gardner and Stingley right there, guys that
Speaker 1: we are expecting to hear their names in the top
Speaker 1: ten as well. We're starting to run out of spots
Speaker 1: in the top ten. But it does seem to be
Speaker 1: wide receiver, multiple guys, tackle, as we said, multiple guys,
Speaker 1: pass rusher, multiple guys, cornerback, multiple guys. So which teams
Speaker 1: do you think in the top and are gonna be
Speaker 1: looking at Gardner, looking at Stingley? That might be the
Speaker 1: marriage for those guys specifically, Well, the Detroit Lions need
Speaker 1: corners and they draft too. Now again, then you get
Speaker 1: caught up in should a player go it too? In
Speaker 1: other words, could Sauce Gardner or Stingley go it too?
Speaker 1: And then people started with oh, that's too high. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, if you haven't need and I come back
Speaker 1: to the conversation we had with Mike Tannenbaum. You know
Speaker 1: a number of weeks ago with need versus must, at
Speaker 1: some point you have to line up with players or
Speaker 1: you can't play. So it doesn't matter if if let's
Speaker 1: say Sauce Gardner, Let's say he's the fourth player on
Speaker 1: your board, but you're the Lions at two and you
Speaker 1: really need a corner or you feel like you literally
Speaker 1: can't line up and be competitive, there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: taking him at two, UM, and I think Gardner and
Speaker 1: Stingley will end up being the top two corners off
Speaker 1: the board. And then you start to get into how
Speaker 1: people think about the Trent McDuffie's of the world. You know,
Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie's the owner from Washington, and I think I
Speaker 1: think he's a really good prospect. Um. Now he's got
Speaker 1: some things in his game that could scare some teams, Bob,
Speaker 1: So maybe he's not a top ten pick. Even though
Speaker 1: his tape is really, really good. He's a little shorter
Speaker 1: than you like. His arm length is right on the
Speaker 1: edge of where corners are viewed in this league, because
Speaker 1: when you get below a certain point, corners are not
Speaker 1: drafted with arm length below I believe it's twenty nine
Speaker 1: inches and McDuffie is just above that um. But Trent
Speaker 1: McDuffie is a really good prospect um. You know. Then
Speaker 1: you get into his teammate Kyler Gordon, who I think
Speaker 1: could also be a first round pick. So corners can
Speaker 1: go because the reality is, it's interesting we're talking corners
Speaker 1: and wide receivers because wide receiver and corner they tend
Speaker 1: to be the two most drafted positions every year simply
Speaker 1: because of the way the league is going. If you're
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, you never have enough quality corners. Yep.
Speaker 1: And it makes sense, and we've kind of tackled the
Speaker 1: positions where we think multiple guys are going to be
Speaker 1: drafted potentially in the top ten, top twelve or so.
Speaker 1: But there are some wild card one offs at certain
Speaker 1: positions that I want to get to next. Some guys
Speaker 1: that may be the only guy at their position that
Speaker 1: gets drafted in the top ten or the top fifteen.
Speaker 1: But are guys that certainly could throw a monkey wrench
Speaker 1: into how most people are prognosticating the top ten, top
Speaker 1: fifteen will go. We're just a few days away from
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. You get a new episode of Tape
Speaker 1: Heeds Draft season every day leading up to the draft,
Speaker 1: as well as Friday after Round one. I'm Bobo Shusan
Speaker 1: with Greg Cosell. And we also haven't touched on the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks yet, and the quarterbacks are always lurking, even in
Speaker 1: a bad quarterback draft quote unquote, as you know, a
Speaker 1: possible wild card, right like guys that could be reached
Speaker 1: for guys that could turn into top ten surprises. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to some of the one offs, some
Speaker 1: of the players we have and spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time on, and the quarterbacks when we come back on
Speaker 1: TAPEDS Draft season. Back here on TAPEDS Draft Season, Bobo
Speaker 1: Shoos of Greg co Sell leading up to Round one
Speaker 1: of the NFL Draft on Thursday night. Finally at the
Speaker 1: finish line, finally we're going to actually see some cards
Speaker 1: turned in and hear the names called. And Greg, we're
Speaker 1: gonna do a deeper dive into all of the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: coming up in our Wednesday episode. But this is kind
Speaker 1: of the one off segment, right Like, I'm looking for
Speaker 1: the guys that you think are going to be wild
Speaker 1: card players that could appear in the top ten, that
Speaker 1: haven't gotten as much conversation about them because they're not
Speaker 1: part of the group of corners, the group of wide receivers,
Speaker 1: the group of tackles or pass rushers, the guys that
Speaker 1: we think are all in play in the top ten.
Speaker 1: And then there's two other names that I want to
Speaker 1: bring up specifically that I also think our players we
Speaker 1: haven't spent probably as much time as we should on
Speaker 1: because they're kind of one off guys. So if they're
Speaker 1: was a quarterback, one guy that you think a team
Speaker 1: might reach for in the top ten and surprise everyone,
Speaker 1: who do you think that might be. Well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: play off your word reach, and I think that player
Speaker 1: would be Malik Willis. Now, he would not be my
Speaker 1: number one rated quarterback in this draft class, but I
Speaker 1: think the reach is the key word here, because Malik
Speaker 1: Willis gives you something that coaches now seem to put
Speaker 1: a higher premium on than ever before, Bob, and that's
Speaker 1: the ability to make those special secondary action improvisational plays. Now,
Speaker 1: then you have to decide, and this is where it
Speaker 1: gets to coach and therefore team specific as to the
Speaker 1: value of that and the balance between that and being
Speaker 1: too able to execute the offense as designed. And and
Speaker 1: that's the question that is. It's it's not a numerical,
Speaker 1: quantitative answer to that question. It's very much open to
Speaker 1: discussion and to one's point of view. But I think
Speaker 1: there's a sense amongst people, right or wrong, that if
Speaker 1: Malik Willis would reach whatever his potential, maybe that he
Speaker 1: has that special quality to do the kinds of things
Speaker 1: that help you win in big games. And I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not making a direct one to one comparison to
Speaker 1: Josh Allen because I personally think Josh Allen is the
Speaker 1: most physically gifted quarterback in the NFL, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: actually said that a year ago before the season, and
Speaker 1: I think it kind of played out towards the end
Speaker 1: of the season. Um, But I think there's a sense
Speaker 1: that those kinds of plays that a Josh Allen can make,
Speaker 1: if Malik Willis can get to that point, then you
Speaker 1: have someone who's truly special. So he's the quarterback that
Speaker 1: I think is probably generating the most discussion in draft rooms.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk more about Milik Willis in our next
Speaker 1: episode when it drops, and we're gonna talk about the
Speaker 1: entire quarterback class because quarterbacks obviously always draw the headlines
Speaker 1: even in what is thought to be a weak quarterback draft,
Speaker 1: and Malik Willis can't he pick it. These are names
Speaker 1: we've spent a lot of time on and guys that
Speaker 1: could be reached for and could appear in the top ten.
Speaker 1: But here's two other guys before we wrap up this
Speaker 1: episode that I want to bring up. And obviously Kyle
Speaker 1: Hamilton's has been talked about by some as being worthy
Speaker 1: of like a top two or top three pick in
Speaker 1: this draft. Um Robert Salo, of course with the Jets,
Speaker 1: was asked about whether or not Kyle Hamilton's would just
Speaker 1: be too talented to pass up at number four. He
Speaker 1: did not close the door on that possibility way back
Speaker 1: when called him a unicorn. Right, So, safety is a
Speaker 1: weird position. Some teams safety could be the m v
Speaker 1: P of their defense. Can cover the tight end, can
Speaker 1: be moved all over the field if in combination with
Speaker 1: the rest of your defensive parts, you can take that
Speaker 1: guy and turn him into a true nightmare Swiss Army
Speaker 1: knife and put him everywhere. Some team they might just
Speaker 1: want safety back in center field because their corners might
Speaker 1: not be very good. Right, Like, you really need to
Speaker 1: get a guy like that paired with the right team,
Speaker 1: the right system, and the right personnel. But where do
Speaker 1: you think Kyle Hamilton's in the end might be kind
Speaker 1: of a fly in the ointment in the top ten
Speaker 1: for some of these other you know, position groups where
Speaker 1: we're predicting all of these guys to go high. Well,
Speaker 1: if you take the belief that Kyle Hamilton's is a
Speaker 1: rare physical talent, which he is. He's six four and
Speaker 1: an eight to twenty, and he is a do it
Speaker 1: all safety, okay, he he He has all the needed traits, Bob,
Speaker 1: to handle all the responsibilities of the safety position in
Speaker 1: the NFL. And you really hit on an important point.
Speaker 1: I personally believe, based on all the tape study I
Speaker 1: do during the NFL season for the NFL matchup show
Speaker 1: that safety is a really important position in the league
Speaker 1: right now. And I think the teams that don't see
Speaker 1: it that way, and and I'm not saying teams do.
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that. I don't know
Speaker 1: the discussions and draft rooms, but I think we've reached
Speaker 1: the point where it's pretty self evident that safety is
Speaker 1: a critical position and Kyle Hamilton's can do everything you
Speaker 1: ask of a safety now it's always easy to say.
Speaker 1: I love when people say, well, a team has to
Speaker 1: figure out how to use them. I'm not sure exactly
Speaker 1: what that means, because he can do everything you want
Speaker 1: him to do, so you can line him up in
Speaker 1: multiple positions. To me, I watched him and he's actually
Speaker 1: a bigger man. I thought he was very similar to
Speaker 1: the way I thought of Derwin James in terms of deployment.
Speaker 1: James is probably twitchier and more short areas sudden, and
Speaker 1: Hamilton's is more straight line fluid with more range. But James,
Speaker 1: when you see the way he was deployed in the
Speaker 1: Chargers defensive year ago, he did everything. Hamilton's is the
Speaker 1: same guy. You can do everything with Kyle Hamilton's and
Speaker 1: to me, that makes him an extremely valuable player who
Speaker 1: is absolutely worthy of being taken in the top five.
Speaker 1: Another player that has been and I think debated back
Speaker 1: and forth a ton and I'm not sure we did
Speaker 1: a deep dive into him because we didn't do interior
Speaker 1: offensive lineman and there may not be but one interior
Speaker 1: offensive lineman that you and many other you know draft
Speaker 1: analysts have a really high, potentially high first round grade
Speaker 1: on but Tyler linder Bob a center right like he's
Speaker 1: seen and maybe he plays guard, maybe he stays at center.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but we've spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: talking about the tackles. I'm not sure I ever got
Speaker 1: a deep dive from you on linder Bomb and what
Speaker 1: you think about him? And Hi, you how high you
Speaker 1: think he might go? Yeah, and I think, look, everybody
Speaker 1: knows his tape is really good, and then he's a
Speaker 1: really good prospect. But he blew people away at his
Speaker 1: pro day with the kind of numbers that you just
Speaker 1: don't see from that kind of build. So he is
Speaker 1: a really good prospect. He's a great athlete. He's got
Speaker 1: incredibly light feet, great balance and body control. He was
Speaker 1: a high school slur, so you know he's got core strength. Um,
Speaker 1: he's the term we like to use that he has
Speaker 1: is snapped two step quickness. It's really good. He's a
Speaker 1: great zone run blocker, and he can execute what are
Speaker 1: called reach blocks, which are extremely difficult blocks to execute
Speaker 1: in the zone run game, and you need movement and
Speaker 1: flexibility to do that. And he's really good. To me,
Speaker 1: he's a high level center prospect. There have been a
Speaker 1: lot of comparisons made to Jason Kelsey because they're both
Speaker 1: smaller centers, but they're extremely athletic. Um Normally you don't
Speaker 1: think of centers going in the top fifteen. But again,
Speaker 1: you know, if if you feel that you draft him
Speaker 1: and he's your guy and you're gonna sign him to
Speaker 1: a second contract and he's your guy for seven, eight,
Speaker 1: nine years, I think you feel pretty good about that.
Speaker 1: Do you think he is worthy of the top ten?
Speaker 1: I mean, is he that talented compared to how your
Speaker 1: analysis breaks down of some of these other position groups
Speaker 1: and how deep they can be. Well, here's the way
Speaker 1: I answer that kind of question. And it's always interesting
Speaker 1: to me when people say a player or a position
Speaker 1: shouldn't be drafted in a certain spot. So if you're
Speaker 1: a team that, let's say, does not have a very
Speaker 1: good old line, and I guess you could look at
Speaker 1: a number of those teams in the top ten that
Speaker 1: fall into that category, and you don't address the old
Speaker 1: line because people say, well other than tackle obviously, because
Speaker 1: people say, well, you don't draft a guard or a
Speaker 1: center that high. And then all of a sudden, Bob
Speaker 1: and you've been through this with the Jets, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you get to Week five and one
Speaker 1: of the reasons your offense isn't very good is because
Speaker 1: your old line isn't any good. Then that's what the
Speaker 1: issue is. So the issue isn't what position group do
Speaker 1: you take in the draft at the end of April.
Speaker 1: The issue is when you get into this season and
Speaker 1: you can't pass protect or you can't run block, that
Speaker 1: becomes the issue. So you can it's always easy to say,
Speaker 1: don't draft this position, why do that? But if you
Speaker 1: then you get to the games and that's the reason
Speaker 1: you're losing, that's a problem. It's not sexy. But I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this from firsthand perspective and firsthand experienced. The
Speaker 1: last time the Jets were any good, they had Nick
Speaker 1: Mangold at center and they had to Britashaw Ferguson at
Speaker 1: left tackle, and they drafted them both in the first
Speaker 1: round about a decade and a half ago. I mean,
Speaker 1: keep this in mind, and you were doing the Jets
Speaker 1: and uh, the year Sanchez his first two years as
Speaker 1: a starter, Okay, it was two thousand nine and two
Speaker 1: thousand and ten, they went to back to back championship
Speaker 1: games with a quarterback that absolutely produced like bottom five,
Speaker 1: bottom seven numbers at quarterback. The first year, they led
Speaker 1: the league in rushing because he was there. The second year,
Speaker 1: I believe they were third in rushing. So again we
Speaker 1: consider here and say, well, that's not the NFL game. Now,
Speaker 1: that's irrelevant. The point is is that if your old
Speaker 1: line isn't any good and and that's why this year
Speaker 1: was so strange with the Cincinnati Bengals, and and I
Speaker 1: don't know how to put that into a capsule yet
Speaker 1: and maybe no one does, but if your old line
Speaker 1: is really bad, it's really tough to play offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would look at the Bengals as the outlier, and
Speaker 1: I would look at the example of the Chiefs the
Speaker 1: past couple of years of when we saw the deterioration
Speaker 1: of their offensive line and saw Patrick Mahomes running for
Speaker 1: his life starting in the Super Bowl a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, and at times this year, and how hard
Speaker 1: even the most talented quarterback in the league, maybe the
Speaker 1: most complete package of athleticism, you know, creativity, accuracy, everything
Speaker 1: you'd want in a quarterback. You could make the argument
Speaker 1: your package together and it becomes Patrick Mahomes. If the
Speaker 1: guys up front aren't effective blocking for him? What what
Speaker 1: does it look like? I agree. So that's why it's
Speaker 1: easy to sit here, you know, and people like you
Speaker 1: and I and you know, hopefully people like what they hear,
Speaker 1: but it's easy for people like us to sit here
Speaker 1: and say things like, well, you don't draft that position
Speaker 1: at that spot, but you know, I have the opportunity
Speaker 1: fortunately to talk to coaches, and when you don't have
Speaker 1: players at certain positions, that limits what you can do,
Speaker 1: and then you become so much easier to play against,
Speaker 1: whether it's on the defensive side of the ball or
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. There's no question. Look,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be back tomorrow. We'll have a Wednesday edition
Speaker 1: of Taped's Draft Season to drop, and it will be
Speaker 1: time to take a deeper dive into all of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Who is ready to step onto an NFL field next
Speaker 1: season as a rookie, who's a project, who's worthy of
Speaker 1: a reach, who might be a player that a team
Speaker 1: might reach for and then find out they might regret
Speaker 1: that decision if they do make that type of reach.
Speaker 1: This is a fascinating quarterback class because you know these
Speaker 1: guys will probably go relatively high. There will be some
Speaker 1: quarterbacks names called in the first round, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of debate about how good this class US may
Speaker 1: ultimately turn out to be. So our Wednesday edition with
Speaker 1: Greg Cosal of tape Heeds Draft Season is going to
Speaker 1: take that deep dive into the quarterbacks. Thank you for
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