1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: This is Patriots Draft Countdown presented by bud Light. 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: Welcome to an NFL draft posted. 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 3: By the writers of Patriots dot Com. 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 2: From now until you here the New England Patriots. What 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: the countdown is on? 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Patriots Draft Countdown presented by bud Light. 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 4: What's up, everybody, We're back with another episode of Patriots 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 4: Draft Countdown presented by bud Light. Easy to Drink, Easy 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 4: to enjoy, bud Light, the official drink of the New 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 4: England Patriots. 11 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 5: And guys. 12 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 4: Today, we have an episode focusing on the defensive backs. 13 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 4: We have a film review from Evan Lazar and we 14 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 4: also have an interview with the one and only Daniel Jeremiah. 15 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 4: But before we get into that, we want to go 16 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 4: over some weekend news and guys. 17 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 5: We had a lot. 18 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 4: We got Paul Parrillo, Chris Cassidy here, we had JJ 19 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 4: McCarthy right to the top, very similar to some I 20 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 4: would say, Zach Wilson. So what do you guys think 21 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 4: about that? 22 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, not buying it. You know, on the surface, I 23 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 6: think JJ McCarthy has some ability. I'm not telling you 24 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 6: that I think that he doesn't belong in this converse 25 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 6: station with the other quarterbacks. I think he's got more 26 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 6: athleticism than he's given credit for. I think he's shown 27 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 6: the ability to move around in the pocket and make plays. 28 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 6: But you know, the most recent stuff coming out of 29 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 6: the owners meetings, you know, talking about possibly Washington at 30 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 6: number two. I have to think they're trying to pump 31 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 6: this guy's value up for some reason, maybe trying to 32 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 6: increase the the importance of those picks, see if you 33 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 6: can entice somebody to move up. But I don't see 34 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 6: JJ McCarthy being on par with those other guys, you know, 35 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 6: Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels in Drake May. I think 36 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 6: he's a notch below those guys. 37 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 4: Sam Chris, what do you think. 38 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: I definitely see more excuse me as like a second 39 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: round type of guy. I mean, he had a great 40 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: pro day. I mean nothing, nothing new there. But at 41 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: the same time, it's like this whole time he's been 42 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: pushed as that second round quarterback. You can go and 43 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: get them, you can focus on the Jane Daniels, Caleb Williams, 44 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: Drake May's of the world in the first round. JJ 45 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: McCarthy has always been that second round sort of so 46 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what is causing all of this extra 47 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: hype around it. I think it's really interesting. I mean, 48 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: he's great nobility, he didn't throw the ball all that 49 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: much at Michigan. He threw a good amount, and he 50 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: had a great receiver in Roman Wilson. But I mean again, 51 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: I don't fully see that first round upside for him. 52 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's basically my point with him is I 53 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 6: think he has ability. I probably think that you could 54 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 6: talk yourself into a first round pick. 55 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 5: That's fine. 56 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 6: I just think he's more of a projection because of 57 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 6: what Chris just said. He didn't throw as much in 58 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 6: college as the other guys. Now he's younger, so I 59 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 6: guess that's a you know, a plus for him, especially 60 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 6: if you're looking to take him and maybe understanding that 61 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 6: you're not going to play in right away, you know, 62 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 6: sort to get him more acclimated to the pro game. 63 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 6: But I feel like the other guys had to carry 64 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 6: their teams JJ McCarthy one more than the other guys, 65 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 6: but I think he had, you know, quote unquote less 66 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 6: to do with it than the other guys. 67 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 7: Yeah. 68 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 4: The real discussion will be if why Washington makes that pick, 69 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 4: what the trickle down effect will. 70 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 6: Be great news, great news for the New England Patriots. 71 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 4: Give gives you some options there. But guys, we also 72 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 4: had owner owner meetings, league meetings and some new rules 73 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 4: got made, so we have the kickoff changes. But the 74 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 4: one that kind of effects of Patriots maybe their draft 75 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 4: situation is the hip drop tackle. We're seen tackling kind 76 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 4: of taken out of the game here. So how's that 77 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 4: approach are you going to take. 78 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 6: I don't like the rule obviously, but I mean, I 79 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 6: think every team's in the same boat. I don't necessarily 80 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 6: think it it will impact as much with the draft. 81 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 6: I think, you know, what I would worry about from 82 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 6: a defensive point of view, and I saw Juwan Bentley 83 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 6: was very very active on social media talking about this stuff. 84 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 6: You can't hit high, you can't hit low. Now you 85 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 6: can't hit in the middle. So I don't really know 86 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 6: what a defensive player to do. And the thing that 87 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 6: would bother me the most if I were an NFL 88 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 6: defensive player, you know. 89 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 5: And I could be. 90 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's not a stretch, But what will 91 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 6: bother me the most in all seriousness, would be sort 92 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 6: of the comments coming out of those meetings about you 93 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 6: might not see it as much with flags on the field, 94 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 6: but you're gonna see it with fines. 95 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, that would really bug me if I were. 96 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 6: You know, especially like a safety, you know, having a 97 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 6: deal with these huge tight ends. 98 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 5: You're trying to figure out a way to get them 99 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 5: on the ground. 100 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 4: If you're like a Marcus Jones size player and you 101 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 4: got Derek Henry running at you, what are you supposed 102 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 4: to do? 103 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting. I think I want to sort 104 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: of compare it to the pass interference penalty that was revoked. Thankfully, 105 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: I hope that the flag is to be thrown isn't 106 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: going to be thrown as much as that pass interference 107 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: flag was. It's tough to overturn things like that, and 108 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: also not to you'd be able to overturn it, but 109 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: that's a tough penalty. And that's they're just playing football. 110 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: They're going in for a normal tackle. 111 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 7: There. 112 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: They've been taught this since they were in second grade. 113 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: This is how you hit, and it's it's it's upsetting, honestly, 114 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: in my opinion. 115 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 6: You're keeping the head out of the hit, You're leading 116 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 6: with your shoulder, you're targeting the mid section exactly, but 117 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 6: you're rolling in way that they don't like, you know, 118 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 6: unwaiting yourself. I just think you're really asking for a 119 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 6: lot of trouble and trying to adjudicate that. I think 120 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 6: it's going to be difficult. I think you're going to 121 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 6: see uh plays that are going to impact games on 122 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 6: routine tackles. And I know it's all about player safety, 123 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 6: and I would certainly never advocate anything that's not in 124 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 6: the name of player safety. It's it's a violent game, 125 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 6: and I understand it. I think this one's tough. I 126 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 6: think the kickoff one tease, this makes a little. 127 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 5: Bit more sense. It's gonna be a little different. 128 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 6: It's gonna be jarring to people who haven't seen it. 129 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 6: Psychos like tease and I we we watch a little 130 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 6: spring football, so we've seen this. We've seen XFL games, 131 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 6: We've seen this kickoff a little bit. I think it's 132 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 6: going to be really really an adjustment though for people 133 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 6: who haven't. 134 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 4: And it also gets rid of the surprise on sidekick 135 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 4: now because now you need to they got to do something, 136 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 4: and so we'll see what happens with that. Course the 137 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 4: guy things to say about that. 138 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I kind of like the kickoff setup. 139 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: I think, you know, have loved to have seen the 140 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: slater in this type of role to see what more 141 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: of an impact he could have had, because he was 142 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: that constant gunner for the Patriots, just sprinting down the sideline, 143 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: gets to the ball first. And now you don't really 144 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: have that. Now it's more of a scrum rugby style 145 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: of play, and I think that'll, in my opinion, draw 146 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: a little bit more interest on the opening kickoff because 147 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: usually when you're watching a game, if you're at home. 148 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 4: You're gonna go get beer. 149 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 6: You just explain it real quick. You're still kicking off 150 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 6: from the thirty five, but the rest of the kickoff. 151 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 5: Team is now up at. 152 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 6: The thirty five thirty five, within five to ten yards 153 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 6: of everybody on the receiving team, with the exception of 154 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 6: the two returners. You have to have two returners in 155 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 6: the quote unquote landing area. So basically nineteen of the 156 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 6: twenty two players that are on the field for that 157 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 6: play will now be aligned within five to ten yards 158 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 6: of each other, which is ostensibly gonna cut down on 159 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 6: those violent hits that take place in space. You know, 160 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 6: with a guy running with a full head of steam. 161 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 6: So that one I can understand the player safety, you know, 162 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 6: I get that, And they're trying to get returns back 163 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 6: in the game because the result. 164 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 7: Now last year bunds the whole time they were. 165 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, and there's also different touchback limitations that as you 166 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 6: go as well. 167 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. So then we also got coach Mayo saying, looks 168 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 4: like big Mike is gonna be playing right tackle, So 169 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 4: that's what. 170 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 6: We're starting, he said, yeah, he did say he would. 171 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 6: He could be moving them around. 172 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 4: It looks like it's a big option. So that might 173 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 4: change how we approach drafting alignment and what what round 174 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 4: we do it, And hopefully we do do it because 175 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 4: we need one. 176 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 6: Maybe maybe they're going to draft they're going to keep 177 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 6: him at right tackle because they're gonna draft Michael Penis, 178 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 6: and that'll be the blind side think of that. 179 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: I mean talking about Penis though, kind of going back 180 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: to the JJ McCarthy discussion. I know we're kind of 181 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: off of it, but he's a guy that threw the 182 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: ball a million times in Washington. You can see his arm, 183 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: you can see his uh progress throughout the season, and 184 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: he's still semi mobile. I mean, you worry about his 185 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: injuries here and then, but like that, that's the type 186 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: of person I would see in that like solidified second 187 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: round role, like maybe moving up into the first whereas 188 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: JJ I don't really see that. 189 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 4: Yeah you know, got you well anything else. On the weekend, we. 190 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 6: Had some minor little uniform Yeah, you were very excited. 191 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna let you it's been a long time, Chris. 192 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 4: I don't know if you know. Pats are getting the 193 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 4: captain patch on the jersey, so you know, we did 194 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. 195 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 7: It works out differently. 196 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 4: But yeah, other than that, guys, we got a good 197 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 4: episode coming up with the defensive backs. As I said, 198 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 4: we also got a film breakdown and an interview with 199 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 4: Daniel Jeremiah. So let's get into the show. 200 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 8: All right, we're here talking defensive backs today, guys, not 201 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 8: a huge need for the Patriots. 202 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 5: I think we can kind of get specific. 203 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 8: We'll talk about some of the big guys, but overall, 204 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 8: Patriots drafted Christian Goanzalees last year. They got Jonathan Jones 205 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 8: coming back, but maybe some questions in the slot. 206 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: It's safety. 207 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 8: We've seen Kyle Duggar kind of move into a little 208 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 8: bit more of that Devin mccordy role. 209 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: Probably talk a little bit free safety stuff. But first guy, 210 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: I just want to talk off the top of and Evan. 211 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 8: When we were in the at the Combine and Indy, 212 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 8: we talked about Cooper to Gene and if Bill Belichick 213 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 8: was still here, Cooper de Gen will probably be the 214 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 8: pick at some point just because of how versatile he is. 215 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 5: He's a really good athlete too. 216 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 9: Yeah, he's basically Marcus Jones, but like a bigger version, 217 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 9: you know, has a little bit more of those traditional 218 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 9: outside cornerback traits. If you want to play him there, 219 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 9: play the slot, play outside, play a little safety, probably 220 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 9: play special teams, probably could play offense. Like you know, 221 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 9: He's just one of those guys that is as versatile 222 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 9: as as they come, and a rare, a rare type 223 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 9: of athlete, you know, at that position to be able 224 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 9: to do all those different types of things. I think 225 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 9: his natural home at the NFL is going to be 226 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 9: outside corner, but he can basically play anywhere you want 227 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 9: him to play. 228 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 8: So I forgot to introduce the whole panel to of course, 229 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 8: we got Chris Cassidy's back sitting in for for our 230 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 8: friend Paul Perrillo, aatist Bauman of course, you know me 231 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 8: and me and Evan Sorry crystial here going to you. 232 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: What do you got a cornerback who who tickled your fancy? 233 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: Uh, you'll have a guys Terry on Arnold and kool 234 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: Aid McKinstry. I mean, both solid cornerbacks. Probably could be 235 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: first round guys realistically. I mean I have On here. 236 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: I mean the thing with kool Aid and my making 237 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: falls is Jones fash on his foot. It's always foot injuries. 238 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: You don't want to mess with those. 239 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 5: Nice info. 240 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: I mean that was combined info. We found that out together. 241 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, I know those are really serious. I mean 242 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: foot injuries they go long way. I mean you gotta 243 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: not a lot of blood flow to the foot, So 244 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: you gotta. 245 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 2: Four times not a lot of blood flow to the foot. 246 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say about Arnold. I mean, Arnold 247 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: sixty three tackles this past season. He's a go getter. 248 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: He's a downhill defensive back, like he'll meet you at 249 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: the ball at all times. So I really like what 250 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: Arnold does. So that's two guys that I really really. 251 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 5: Caught my near the top. Probably not Patriots I. 252 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 9: Would say, yeah, Tyran Arnold is probably the consensus CB 253 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 9: one in this class, maybe top ten, top fifteen, and pick. 254 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 9: His ball skills are exceptional as well. I think he 255 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 9: has something like eighty targets in college and he's broken 256 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 9: up thirty of them, or like something crazy like that 257 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 9: really good downhill player as Chris said, he's probably him 258 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 9: or Quannon Mitchell from Toledo, or there are the two 259 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 9: guys that are going to be the first corners off 260 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 9: the board. 261 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 4: Can we also celebrate kool Aid a meme finally making 262 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 4: it to the league. I remember it was like, you know, 263 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 4: best names, but yeah, kool Aid and tarry On Arnold. 264 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 4: I was watching the LSU Bama highlights and you know, 265 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 4: Neighbors had a crazy game, but most of his big 266 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 4: catches were against the safety is just breaking three broken, 267 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 4: broken coverages. I also love Cooper de gene as I 268 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 4: say that boy nice, he can HiT's safety. I could 269 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 4: also move into safety. I wonder if he's gonna end 270 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 4: up being like Devin mccordy, maybe starting off a cornerback 271 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 4: and then potentially moving to safety later in his career. 272 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 4: I also want to shout out Nat Wiggins very very physical, 273 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 4: likes get involved, break up the pass, and very like. 274 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 4: He likes to nag the receiver. 275 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 7: That's kind of what you want with your cornerbacks. 276 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 4: There. 277 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 5: I got another one here. 278 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 2: I think all of us have some familiarity with him. 279 00:11:59,040 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 5: He's local kid. 280 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 8: Mikes and Bristol were talking to you guys pregame. Everybody 281 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 8: was kind of mentioning him. We did did sit in 282 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 8: back of his parents on the way back. I gotta 283 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 8: the great people it was. It was really cool. They 284 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 8: were very proud of their son. But you know, I 285 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 8: don't know if it's gonna line up Evan like with him, 286 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 8: and yeah, he's kind to go early, but he fits, 287 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,599 Speaker 8: you know, And I mean he played offense just tenacious, 288 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 8: six interceptions, two of them returned for touchdown. 289 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 5: If there was one guy that you could kind of 290 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 5: like slip in, what a great fit, he'd be a 291 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 5: good one here. 292 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 9: Yeah, he's There's a lot of these types of players 293 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 9: in this draft, unfortunately for the Patriots, because I don't 294 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 9: think the need in the slot is as big as 295 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 9: maybe another rotational body on the outside. Right now, you 296 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 9: have you have obviously Christian Gonzalez, but in terms of 297 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 9: size on the outside physicality on the outside, he still 298 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 9: kind of could use another guy there, whereas in the slot, 299 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 9: you know, you probably think Jonathan Jones is gonna play 300 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 9: a lot of snaps there. Marcus Jones coming back, uh, 301 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 9: Saint Streel to me is is a nickel and this class, 302 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 9: just as a general statement on the cornerback class, there 303 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 9: are a ton of nickels in this class. Like that's 304 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 9: really where it's strong, is a slot corner, especially on 305 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 9: Day two, so he probably is the top of that, 306 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 9: but there's you know, a whole list of them after that. 307 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 9: So this cornerback class is interesting. I don't think it's 308 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 9: as top heavy as past years, you know, I don't 309 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 9: think I think last year the top guys like a 310 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 9: Christian Zalez, you know, like the kid the Seahawks drafted 311 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 9: who have now Witherspoon, Like, I think those guys are 312 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 9: probably would be better than some of these guys in 313 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 9: this class. But ten to forty is really deep. You know, 314 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 9: there's probably gonna be a handful of corners taken in 315 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 9: that sort of range. So I'm curious to see when 316 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 9: these corners start coming off the board. Because of all 317 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 9: the offensive talent at the top of the first round. 318 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 9: It could be Terry on Arnold's the first corner at 319 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 9: eleven or twelve or something like that, which is in 320 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 9: most years that's pretty low. 321 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, I also want to see it's like if the 322 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 4: Patch are gonna make it. Personally, I don't think they 323 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 4: can make pick before the fourth if they were to 324 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 4: take a corner. And so you gotta see if maybe 325 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 4: Saint Astril or Elijah Jones somebody's around there, maybe take 326 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 4: a flyer on them. But it just that pick can't 327 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 4: happen before the fourth. 328 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 9: Yeah, Elijah Jones is on my list. So I'm at 329 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 9: the Senior Bowl. Long freak athlete, maybe a little bit undersized, 330 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 9: you know, not not a guy that's that's huge in 331 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 9: terms of mass, but very athletic in a really good length, 332 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 9: can play on the outside, maybe play a little bit 333 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 9: of safety. The other name I wrote down was Cam 334 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 9: Hart from Notre Dame, who had a really good Senior 335 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 9: Bowl week. He similar size, but more physical in press 336 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 9: man coverage. If you want a true outside bump and 337 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 9: run corner in the third or fourth round, he's a 338 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 9: little grabby. He doesn't have a great long speed, so 339 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 9: he's probably not going to be that high pick. I 340 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 9: would look at cam Hart my number one core. I 341 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 9: love tierro On Arnold think is a good player. I 342 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 9: love Quinion Mitchell from Toledo. That guy I think is 343 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 9: going to be a hell of a pro. So I 344 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 9: would say that those are the three guys that you know, 345 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 9: different tiers, right, you know, Quinion Mitchell first round pick, 346 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 9: cam Hart day two guy maybe third or fourth round, 347 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 9: Elijah Jones maybe slightly after that. 348 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: I mean there's two guys that if Pats want to 349 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: go at cornerback route, I think that stand out to me. 350 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: Second third day type players. Kamari Lassiter. I think Kamari 351 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: is a solid player out of Georgia. And I really 352 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: like Kyrie Jackson out of Oregon. 353 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 5: Yep. 354 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: Just played his twenty twenty three season with Oregon All 355 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: Pack twelve first team. You know, he's got great tackling 356 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: grade Pro Football Focus eighty four eighty four point three tackling. 357 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: That was one of the top tacklers at Oregon. Again, 358 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: also kind of a ball hog. Three interceptions. So Kyrie 359 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: is somebody that could fall if the Pagers want to 360 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: go to the corner. They like those Oregon corners. 361 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 5: Yeah as well, Yeah right, a couple of couple of 362 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 5: me to throw out. 363 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 8: And then this is the guy that I saw the 364 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 8: combine and he just had the vibe. Max Melton from 365 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 8: from UH from Rutgers ran a four to three to 366 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 8: nine inside outside. I just playd tough, you know. Watched 367 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 8: a little him against Marvin Harrison Junior did a really 368 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 8: good Joe. I think there's no question if he if 369 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 8: he is a slot and you know, and I mean, 370 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 8: you know, just to offer a different point of view, 371 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 8: and we're recording this at a certain point, I'm kind 372 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 8: of expecting and I'm hoping that the Patriots signed somebody 373 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 8: likes Stefon Gilmore. As what Evan said, that third rotational 374 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 8: outside guy. I'm not exactly sold entirely yet on Marcus 375 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 8: Jones in the slot. So I am a little bit 376 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 8: more open to some of these slot guys. Jarvis Brownley 377 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 8: from Louisville's another one that caught my eye. Good movement skills, 378 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 8: just aggressive kind of press man. And the last one 379 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 8: I'll just mention here in the cornerback class. Of course, 380 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 8: we got to get a TCU guy in is Josh Newton, who. 381 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: Over four thousand snaps. 382 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 8: Experienced guy again, another guy who played some inside placed 383 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 8: him outside. I think he just offers some versatility the guys. 384 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: Anybody else do you guys know Josh Newton's a good shout. 385 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 9: I watched him live at at that game that I 386 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 9: keep getting to reference somehow because we keep doing this 387 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 9: on purpose. 388 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: You should have expensed that whole thing. 389 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 9: Yeah right, I mean I should have been clocked in. 390 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 9: I mean, come on, yeah, No, he's a good player. 391 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 9: Maybe a little bit, you know, he needs to add 392 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 9: some place rank I would say to his game, but 393 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 9: I could see them. Look, Maximuntain's a good poll to 394 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 9: really good slot corner, I think as well. I mentioned 395 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 9: all these slot corners, him, Sandstrill. You know, those guys 396 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 9: definitely all fit that same bill. Aggressive players that can tackle, 397 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 9: play at the point of attack and the run game 398 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 9: and and then cover. So I think all these guys 399 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 9: can can do a lot of different things. 400 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 4: I also like DJ James from Auburn and Kaylen Carson 401 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 4: from wake Forest, you know, very good tacklers, which with 402 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 4: the potential rule change, will see how much that affects. Yeah, 403 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 4: exactly amazing. 404 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: It was like, what is that? 405 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 4: But maybe somebody in the later rounds just be you know, 406 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 4: not an instant day one starter, but somebody you can 407 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 4: develop on the back end. 408 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I think we're all, you know, 409 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: kind of on the same page. 410 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 8: I mean, it's a later it's a day late, day 411 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 8: two at best, probably day three kind of position. Let's 412 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 8: move over to the safety group though, we're again like 413 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 8: in the gene kind of you know, a little bit 414 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 8: of a safety potential. But you know, just looking at 415 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 8: what the Patriots have. And as we were recording Patriots 416 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 8: Unfiltered previous to this, they just signed Aalen Hawkins as well, 417 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 8: so another you know, strong safety type. 418 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: They sure have a type. So that leads me to 419 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: continue to kind of pursue free safety types. 420 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 8: And you know, ballhawk guys. Maybe they don't have the 421 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 8: biggest size, but they've got the range. I'm just gonna 422 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 8: throw off the top. Cameron Kitchens from Miami, who I know. 423 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 2: I think you got to look at him. 424 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 8: Up close, right, Evan, Just I think for me, probably 425 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 8: gonna go too soon before the Patriots would actually want 426 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 8: to select him. But to me, that's one player that 427 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 8: you put him in, he would probably fit this rotation 428 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 8: pretty good. 429 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think he's one of the only defensive players 430 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,239 Speaker 9: that I look at that I would say if they 431 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 9: took Cam Kitchens with an early pick, I wouldn't completely riot, Like. 432 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 5: You know, I think I think a little bit there. 433 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 9: There's some other guys that I would maybe fit that bill. 434 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 9: But to me, if the Patriots touch a defensive player 435 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 9: before the sixty eighth pick in the draft, and we're 436 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 9: doing something wrong. But Cam Kitchens is one of those 437 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 9: guys that I think can definitely play that center field role. 438 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 9: And he didn't test very well at the combine and 439 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 9: that's going to be the knock on him. But in 440 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 9: a lot of ways, his combine and his whole just 441 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 9: precic projection profile reminds me a lot of Brian Branch 442 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 9: where you know, he didn't test very well either, but 443 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 9: he's just a dog like, he's just a football player 444 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 9: and you're gonna put him out there and you know 445 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 9: that he's gonna play football well, but maybe not be 446 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 9: an Olympian Like I don't really care, right, So Cam 447 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 9: Kitchen's definitely on the board for sure for the Patriots. Also, 448 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 9: Lonzo high Smith connection with him, so I think that 449 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 9: there's a lot to like about him and you put 450 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 9: him back there at the perch in center field, and 451 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 9: then you have Dugger in the box and Pepper's you know, 452 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 9: over the nickel or whatever. Now you're now you got 453 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 9: a complete secondary. Everybody's got a home that makes sense. 454 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 5: You got Chris, you got some safeties for us. 455 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: The only one that jumped out me was Kaylen Bullock, 456 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: other center fielder. He's I mean, he's a solid guy. 457 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: Couldn't cover three, cover one. Uh, you know, you just 458 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: need a guy then kind of oversee things in that defense. 459 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: I think you know that was sort of a Dugger. 460 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 4: Role every place, trying to knock the ball out, which 461 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 4: is unreal. 462 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, he's We were talking to Jordan Reed at 463 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 9: the combine about this and I said, who are the 464 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 9: center fiel in this draft and he said, Cam Kitchens 465 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 9: is tier one and then Bullet from USC is tier two. 466 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 9: So he's definitely some of one of those players that 467 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 9: flashes on film that sideline the sideline ability from center field. 468 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 4: So the two things, first of all, love Javon Bullard 469 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 4: from Georgia. I mean, that guy's a beast. 470 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 9: That guy's gonna kill somebody on the field, and. 471 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 4: That's what you want with your safety. And he's going 472 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 4: to be against the best of the best in the SEC. 473 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 4: But also want to talk about its kind of interesting 474 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 4: how this year there were so many like high end 475 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 4: safeties just on the free agent market. So it's really 476 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 4: going to make you wonder how these teams value drafting 477 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 4: one of these players in this position because it's kind 478 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 4: of the running back of the defense almost of some 479 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 4: of the hits these guys take. 480 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 9: So yeah, it's interesting how the Patriots seemed to zig 481 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 9: in that category. They seem to still value safeties Lester 482 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 9: to the league not so much, and you know they're 483 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 9: willing to transition Tag Dugger and you know stuff like that. 484 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 9: So the last one that I would I would mention 485 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 9: is from Utah, who another guy that can play multiple. 486 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 5: Run positions and play some running back. 487 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 9: I play both sides of the ball, play special teams, 488 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 9: plays deep safety, play strong safety. So if there's any 489 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 9: Belichick still in that that draft room, I'm telling you 490 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 9: that that Vika is going to be high on their 491 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 9: board and a lot of teams at the combine, I 492 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 9: think at his pro day he's going to have asked 493 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 9: him to work out at running back and do some 494 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 9: running back drills as well, so they see him as 495 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 9: somebody that can play both sides of the ball and 496 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 9: that that screams Patriots. 497 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 8: So it is if it still goes up, just I'll 498 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 8: throw up a couple and you know, Jalen Simpson's a guy, 499 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 8: a later guy, feel like they could potentially be that 500 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 8: free saft. He's just really small and I want to 501 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 8: like him more than I do, but I threw him 502 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 8: in there. Last one I would just say is Tyler 503 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 8: Rowans from Texas Tech, who's a low experienced kind of 504 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 8: guy only at twelve starts, but a plus special teams 505 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 8: kind of a guy, hard hitter, you know, just kind 506 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 8: of like we're looking day three here, we're looking for 507 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 8: developmental guys who can play special teams. There were just 508 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 8: a couple that kind of jumped out at me and 509 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 8: anybody else. You guys got share. 510 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 4: I had new been one of the top ones just 511 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 4: as a ball hawk, but I don't think that he's 512 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 4: gonna be in Foxboro anytime soon. 513 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 9: So yeah, he seems to be the consensus number one 514 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 9: safety now that Kitchens didn't have a great combine, But 515 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 9: I'm still on the Kitchens bandwagon. I don't want to 516 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 9: overreact the film is too good to just sit there 517 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 9: and say that because he had a bad day in 518 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 9: Indy that he's not. 519 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: A good player. 520 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 9: So those are the two guys that are probably gonna 521 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 9: be near the top of the safety class. But no, 522 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 9: there's no Antoine Winfield Junior. There's no you know, top 523 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 9: dog in this safety class. I wouldn't say that was 524 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 9: a consensus, you know, first round type of guy. 525 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 8: All right, well, that's gonna do it for our defensive 526 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 8: back segment. And now we're gonna switch to a bigger 527 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 8: picture thing, which I had a chance to talk with 528 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 8: Daniel Jeremiah of the NFL notework, really getting a breakdown 529 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 8: of all the Patriots draft needs, what they're gonna do 530 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 8: with three, the trade down possibilities, late round fits. Went 531 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 8: through all that with DJ and check that out now. 532 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 8: All right, so excited to be joined by Daniel Jeremiah. 533 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 8: Now DJ, Patriots sitting at three. Overall, it seems like 534 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 8: we're kind of I know you took Jayden Daniels in 535 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 8: your latest mock draft. Everybody I think is kind of 536 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 8: accepted Drake may or jay and Daniels. That seems like 537 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 8: the most popular pick. Just what do you see in 538 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 8: those two. What could fans here expect if if you 539 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 8: were to drop one of those guys. Do you think 540 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 8: they're ready to come in and play right away? Do 541 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 8: you think they have to sit? 542 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 3: I think they could both come in and play. I 543 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 3: think for sure, let's start with Jayden Daniels, and let's 544 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 3: start with that one. He's started a zillion games, started 545 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 3: fifty plus games in college. He's older, he's mature, he's 546 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 3: been through adversity, so you know, those are the things 547 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 3: you kind of look at when you're you know, okay, 548 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 3: this guy can be able to survive some of these 549 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 3: these speed bumps along their way here, I think he 550 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 3: would be fine. I think also with him the athleticism 551 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 3: to be able to buy time and as he gets 552 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 3: more comfortable in the passing game that they're going to 553 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: deploy there. I think you've you've got ways to generate 554 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 3: offense as he's still gonna, you know, even though he's 555 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 3: played a lot of college games, learn how to read 556 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 3: NFL defenses and get adjusted there. I think his legs 557 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: by him some time, so I think you could absolutely 558 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 3: get him out there. You know what you like about him, look, 559 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: the accuracy, especially over the top He's got unbelievable touch. 560 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: He played with confidence this year. I mean they would 561 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 3: so many slot fades that they hit. They were just 562 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 3: you know, one after another after another, perfect over the 563 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 3: shoulder throws. And then when things aren't there, you know, 564 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 3: he can go make things happen with his legs. So 565 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 3: that's him as a player. Why I think he'd be 566 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: fine going right into the mix. 567 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 7: Drake. 568 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 3: May you know prototype you get the big physical athletic dude, 569 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 3: who can you know? To me, he can make every 570 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 3: type of throw. And I mean that not just like 571 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: velocity wise, he has the arm strength to do that. 572 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 3: I mean you'll see him layer the ball, He'll take, 573 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: take some some steam off the ball, touch it up. 574 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 3: He can get those over underthrows going. He got into 575 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 3: some bad habits this year, some pressure. He's drifting away, 576 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 3: a little bit better job of getting his feet set. 577 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 3: But I don't think I've seen anything from him, and 578 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 3: I don't believe I've seen anything from him that would say, Okay, 579 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 3: this guy really needs a lot of time. There's some 580 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 3: things to work on, some things to clean up. But again, 581 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 3: another realm mentally and physically tough kid. 582 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 5: So if we don't take a quarterback there. 583 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 8: You know, everybody's kind of considering do they trade down, 584 00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 8: and it's I think it's a you know, with the 585 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 8: whole at tackle, at receiver. 586 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 5: I mean, these classes are loaded at both those positions. 587 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you trade down, though, it's just it's 588 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 8: hard to see where they're picking thirty four those tackles 589 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 8: are gonna kind of go. It feels like, you know, 590 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 8: even some of the receivers. I know that it's a 591 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 8: deep class, but what do you see maybe be a 592 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 8: package that the Patriots will consider to trade down with, 593 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 8: and you know what, it makes sense maybe for them 594 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 8: to try to hit that tackle class near the top 595 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 8: or or some of those receivers. 596 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of different scenarios you can kick around. 597 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have to potentially go that far. 598 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at the Giants as a 599 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 3: team that's been mentioned as a quarterback team, whoever their 600 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 3: guy is, that could be something where if you're you know, 601 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 3: if you're the Patriots, you're like, you know, we really 602 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 3: like four quarterbacks, but we also have these other needs 603 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: that you mentioned. If we were to go to six, 604 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 3: there's a chance, you know, there's there's a you know 605 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 3: there's a chance maybe the fourth quarterback is there. If not, 606 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 3: you have to be comfortable with the fact of, Okay, 607 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 3: well I'm gonna get you know, I might have a 608 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 3: chance to get the best offensive tackle in the draft, 609 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 3: or I can get one of the top two wide 610 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 3: receivers in this draft. That's that, you know, that's option 611 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 3: while picking up all these other resources to fill some 612 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 3: of these holes. So that would one that would be 613 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 3: intriguing to me. I think everybody's mentioned the Vikings as 614 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 3: a team that would, you know, love to move up. 615 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 3: They acquired that second first round pick from Houston to 616 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 3: be able to go do that. So eleven, you're gonna 617 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 3: miss out on top three wide outs they're gone. You're 618 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 3: gonna probably miss out in the first two, maybe even 619 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 3: three tackles. So yeah, that one I would I mean 620 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 3: to me, it's sticking pick is the smartest thing to do. 621 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 3: And if for some reason you are going to trade down, 622 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 3: I don't know that I would want to go beyond six. 623 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 7: If I was New England. 624 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 8: You mentioned four quarterbacks. JJ McCarthy kind of you know, 625 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 8: getting a little buzz about him. Why do you think 626 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 8: that is? What about him? Is his kind of made 627 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 8: him rise here after the combine, Well. 628 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 3: I think there's you know, a lot of times we 629 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 3: talk about guys rising, guys haven't had a chance to 630 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 3: do him yet. And I think he wasn't one of 631 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 3: those name brand players that people assume would come out 632 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: this year over last offseason. So if you're a decision 633 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 3: maker on personnel side, you probably hadn't watched him over 634 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: the summer, and then you get to this year, You've 635 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 3: got your whole host of candidates for quarterbacks with the 636 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 3: assumption is he's probably going to go back to school. 637 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 3: If you're loosely following it, you're like, yeah, he's not 638 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 3: posting really big numbers, so he's maybe, you know, kind 639 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 3: of hiding in playing sight on the number one team 640 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 3: in the country. But I think once the season ended, 641 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 3: he declares, I think then people had a chance. 642 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 7: To go back through. It takes a while. 643 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 3: I was talking about this somebody the other day. It takes 644 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 3: a while to get comfortable with him. It's like an 645 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 3: acquired taste where you know, you watch a game, you 646 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 3: watch another game like, Okay, I don't know, has he 647 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 3: done much here. I've saw a couple of good throws, 648 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 3: But then when you piece the whole thing together, specifically 649 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 3: when you do the cutups, when you watch like every 650 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 3: third and seven plus throw and you okay, this is 651 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 3: this is where you're facing challenging defenses that no, you're 652 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 3: going to throw the football and you see him, he deals. 653 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 3: He his third and seven reel is good or better 654 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 3: than any quarterback in this draft class. So that's why 655 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 3: I think it took a little time. It wasn't just 656 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 3: a cut and dry, easy evaluation. 657 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 8: I mentioned kind of the three big needs quarterback, tackle, 658 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 8: wide receiver. It just seems hard to get all three. 659 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 8: Patriots just signed kJ Osbourne. You know they have some 660 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 8: depth there. They got nine receivers on the ross. I 661 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 8: think what's really lacking is an outside threat. And I 662 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 8: guess the question really is if you don't get a 663 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 8: receiver there in Day one, a d Mitchell, those kind 664 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 8: of guys late first maybe that you'd have to trade 665 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 8: back up for. Are there any fits you maybe see 666 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 8: that could be that developmental outside guy that you could 667 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 8: get in the second, third round kind of moving. 668 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 3: Forward, There's a ton of wideouts when you go through 669 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 3: this draft, and I think it's been that way for 670 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 3: really the last several drafts. 671 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 7: It's just what the college game has given you. 672 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 3: So you know, you talk about a pick at thirty four, 673 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 3: top of the second round. You know, one of the 674 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 3: guys who's who's you know, got a lot of love 675 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 3: around the league is pearsall from Florida, and he's somebody 676 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 3: who could play inside, could play outside, could do a 677 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 3: lot of different things there. Troy Franklin would give him 678 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 3: a speed merchant on the outside there from Oregon who's 679 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 3: a little lean, but he has a lot of juice, 680 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 3: a lot of explosiveness. But I mean, we could literally 681 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 3: go through the entire every round of the draft and 682 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 3: I can give you three names that are going to 683 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: be there. It's just there's a million of them. So 684 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 3: and that's one of the things that I'm struggling with 685 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 3: forecast in this first top ten is yes, I have 686 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 3: three receivers the top five players in this draft class. 687 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there going like, gosh, I wouldn't want 688 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 3: to pass one of these three guys. But then I'm like, yeah, 689 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 3: you could wait until the second, third, fourth round and 690 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 3: they're still starting caliber players there. Whereas you know, tackles, 691 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 3: even though it's a deep group, you know, historically here 692 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 3: they're gone. At the end of the first round, you're 693 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,719 Speaker 3: it's hard to find starting tackles. They're just not going 694 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 3: to be there. So that's why to me, that informs 695 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 3: the decision a little bit and you go, Okay, maybe 696 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 3: I have this receiver a little bit over this tackle 697 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 3: or maybe a little bit over this, you know, edge 698 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 3: rusher or receiver. When you look at the receivers with 699 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 3: versus EDG dreshers and tackles, it's like, man, I can 700 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 3: get receivers anywhere. So that'll be fascinating. 701 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 8: Just generally, do you what do you feel like when 702 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 8: we get into Day three, late day two, Day three, 703 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 8: where where's the value there? 704 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 7: Like? 705 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 5: What are the position groups? 706 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 8: You feel like a have that depth that I mean, 707 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 8: you know, regardless of needs, just the what are the 708 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 8: strongest positions there in the Day three Yeah. 709 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 3: I've I think there's corners. I think it's a good 710 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 3: group of Day three corners. I also think the running 711 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 3: backs are all going to get pushed down. We don't 712 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 3: have a lot of separation there. You know, one team's 713 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: top running back might be another team's eight rink running back. 714 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 3: It's just there's a clump of them. So you don't 715 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 3: see them going the first round. There's a chance we 716 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 3: potentially don't even see one go in the second round. 717 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 3: And then now I think you see a run in 718 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 3: the third, and then I think even to early on 719 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: Day three, that fourth, fifth round, I think there's a 720 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 3: good number of backs and that's kind of the sweet 721 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 3: spot for him in this draft. So corners, running backs, 722 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 3: those would be the two. 723 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 7: To me. I think once you get in day three, 724 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 7: I think you can get starters. 725 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 8: So last question one for you just obviously turnover this year, 726 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 8: major turnover at the coaching position, Alex van Pelt coming 727 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 8: in as the offensive coordinator, Drop Mayo head coach, game 728 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 8: plan defense. They've always been pretty flexible on that side 729 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 8: of the ball. Just overall, any fits that you see, 730 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 8: I know the Patriots are evolving, we don't know for 731 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 8: sure what they're gonna do, but assuming they kind of 732 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 8: stick in real at least defensively what we've seen from 733 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 8: Van Pelt, any guys out there that you think are kind. 734 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 7: Of fit from an offensive standpoint. 735 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, either side of the ball, offense or defense. 736 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 3: I mean to me, I know that obviously Bill's not there, 737 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 3: but I think defensively, I don't really see anything changing. 738 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 3: I mean, they're always you know, I think that's ingrained 739 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: in their culture and who they are. They're going to 740 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 3: value you know, smart, tough, vers little players. I think 741 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 3: they're maybe trying to get a little little faster, and 742 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 3: to me, you can do that not only you know, 743 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 3: we think about the secondary. I think again just linebackers. 744 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,719 Speaker 3: Just get more speed, as much speed as you can 745 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 3: get out there on the field, and then offensively, the 746 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 3: identity to me is going to be about, Okay, is 747 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 3: are we going to stick and pick? If it's the 748 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 3: third guy, uh is going to be a quarterback? Then 749 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 3: to me, I think, you know, I think I like 750 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 3: the fact of bringing Hunter back to me, I have 751 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 3: a young quarterback. 752 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 7: I want easy completions. 753 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 3: So even though we would like a big, a big 754 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 3: guy in the outside of flyer, I think it'd almost 755 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 3: be more valuable just adding quickness and guys that can 756 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 3: uncover and guys that can run after the catch and 757 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 3: try and take some of that off of this guy 758 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 3: who you know, you've got a bridge quarterback in place 759 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 3: so he doesn't have to go out there week one. 760 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 3: But I would imagine if they stick and pick, we're 761 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 3: going to see that guy student later. 762 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 5: Awesome, DJ, thanks so much for the time. Really appreciate it. 763 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 7: Hey, no problem, good to catch up. 764 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 4: All right, guys, we had a good show there. Defensive backs, 765 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 4: all good stuff. Next week we're gonna we're gonna wrap 766 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 4: up the defensive side of the ball, focus on the 767 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 4: front seven. Then we get to get into the offense 768 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 4: and all the good stuff that everybody's looking for. So, 769 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 4: once again, thank you for tuning in to the Patriots 770 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 4: Draft countdown.