1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Can't. I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: Big news of the day is Meta, which runs Instagram 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: and Facebook, among other things, and Google, which runs YouTube, 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: were whacked in a civil court. There was a lawsuit 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: on behalf of a now twenty year old woman, and 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: Meta and YouTube now must pay three million dollars in 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: competittory damages for pain and suffering they were. It was 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: decided that this twenty year old started going on social 10 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: media when she was six. Good parents there and the 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: product Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, those products are addictive and they 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: led to her mental health distress through the use of 13 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: infinite scrolling algorithms. You know what it is, Whatever you're 14 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: whatever you want to read, you get more of. So 15 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 2: if a young girl is reading looking nothing but videos 16 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: of other skinny girls talking about how they feel fat 17 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: and they're not eating anymore. Uh, you know, they end 18 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 2: up with mental health disorders. They turn vegan. What I 19 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: threw that in there? That's right, that's a chat. I'm 20 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: always listening, you're always yawning, so uh and and uh 21 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: and the jury said, yeah. 22 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: That that. 23 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: The girl's name is Kayla and that YouTube and Facebook, Instagram, 24 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: the parent companies Google and Meta they are responsible. Meta 25 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: responsible for seventy percent of the cost and YouTube for 26 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: thirty percent. Now there's pumative damage is still to come. No, 27 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: they came out, oh what are three million? 28 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: Three million? 29 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 2: I see, you're right. So it's three million in compensatory 30 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: damages and then another three million punitive damages divided by 31 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: the thank you for that. The plaintiff's attorneys approached the 32 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: case the way attorneys approached the tobacco companies decades ago, 33 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: that they intentionally made a product that was not only addictive, 34 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: but harmful to your physical health in the tobacco case, 35 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: and this was more about your mental health, although it 36 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: can't affect your physical health if you end up with 37 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: an eating disorder. The obvious argument, because people have been 38 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: arguing about this for probably about twenty years now, since 39 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: the onset of social media is isn't it the user's 40 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: choice or the parent's responsibility? And I know I know 41 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: that met and YouTube knew what they were doing. I've 42 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: seen enough news stories on this. I've seen enough internal 43 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: documents that have been leaked or have been uncovered through investigations. 44 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: I have seen interviews with former employees, and so the 45 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: whole company designed their product not only to addict you, 46 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 2: but to addict your children. And the way it works 47 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: is the reason you see so many zombies, Like I 48 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: see them in the hallway here. Then they get on 49 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: the elevator, Then they get off the elevator. Then they 50 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: walk through the lobby downstairs and across the street to 51 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: the Whole Foods. They stand in the line at the 52 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: Whole Foods. Then they come back across the street holding 53 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: their lunch, the whole time staring at their phone. 54 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: And that is wildly abnormal human behavior. 55 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: Not glancing at the phone, not occasionally, you know, checking 56 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: it to see No, this is constant scroll, scroll, scroll, 57 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: and it's all. 58 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: Garbage, nonsense. 59 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: It's social media scrolls, it's texting texting scrolls, and so 60 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: you look at that, it's like, no, that's a junkie. 61 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: That's an addict. 62 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I figured this out like fifteen years ago, 63 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: and I used to say that, oh, you just you're 64 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: a year old. You don't understand the world's changing. It's like, no, 65 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: that's an addiction. And then I'll never forget seeing a 66 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: sixty minute story that's seven or eight years ago, Anderson 67 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: Cooper had it. It's still online because I watched it 68 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: again recently and one of the former engineers from one 69 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 2: of these companies said, yeah, we designed it so that 70 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: your brain would release dopamines every time you got a 71 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: like and created anticipation. So if you didn't get the likes, 72 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: you'd get anxious, and they would hold back likes, so 73 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: you got more and more anxious. 74 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: Wit they hold back likes. Oh yeah, I'll send you 75 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: this interview. 76 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: If you hold back the likes, then you and I 77 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: know you are an example here, Remember. 78 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: You used to Yeah, sure, I don't post that much anymore. 79 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: You're recovered. And I noticed that usually it was like 80 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: every day, Yeah, here's Debora in the morning, here's Debor 81 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: in the afternoon. We're working. 82 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 3: Miss see enough of me. 83 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: I didn't say I missed you. So the way they 84 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: worked it is Instagram or Facebook would release some likes 85 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: as soon as you posted, and then hold back the likes, 86 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: and that would make you anxious, and that would make 87 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: you go back again and again and again, and then 88 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: eventually they would give you a burst of likes and 89 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: that made you happy. Dopamine rush, right, This is exactly 90 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: everybody likes to be liked. This is exactly how cocaine 91 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: and meth works. It's the same process inside the brain. 92 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 2: It's unlocking dopamine. Dopamine makes you high. Dopamine makes you happy. 93 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 2: Cocaine and meth make people happy for a little while. 94 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,679 Speaker 2: That's why you take it. And so did social media 95 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: make you happy for a while? And so I know 96 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: that's what they did. So in my heart, it's like, yeah, 97 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 2: screw these guys, because this was diabolical. My head tells 98 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: me all And I kind of feel this way about 99 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 2: a lot of addictions. Just put the phone down, go 100 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: find something else to do, especially if you're a grown man, 101 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: and you're a grown woman now with a little kid. 102 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 2: That's different. A six year old on social media that's 103 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: her parents. And I largely, and I guess you largely 104 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: missed the social media surge for your kids and for 105 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: my kids. 106 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: And I'm so happy. It's like it. 107 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 2: Was I never I never felt that way until social 108 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: media overwhelmed everyone's lives. You know, I never thought like, 109 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: you know, I was so grateful to my kids were 110 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: raised in that generation. But I am happy my kids 111 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: are raised in that generation because I got so sick 112 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: of parents and talked about this on the air with people. 113 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: Well, what are you going to do? John? 114 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: You know, your kid wants to be like the other 115 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: kids and they want to stay connected with their friends, 116 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: and that's how you get popular. And it's like, well, 117 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: then you know what, you should make sure that you 118 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 2: don't give birth to another child if you because this 119 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 2: is ruined children's brains. I think that's been proven by now. 120 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: There's been many books read. Jonathan hate Haidt. He's done 121 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: a number of books and a number of research articles 122 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: and published in mainstream magazines and newspapers as well, and 123 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: he decoded the whole thing. Mental health for kids generally 124 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: went in the toilet starting in twenty thirteen. It was 125 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: always steady, however you want to measure it, And then 126 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 2: twenty thirteen all kinds of mental health problems shot up 127 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: the charts. It was like straight arrow and stayed up 128 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: there ever since. And whenever I go to an airport, 129 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: invariably I see a little kid, and sometimes they're just 130 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: three years old, right, they're barely walking, and they have 131 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: a stupid iPad that they're walking with and some sort 132 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: of game or cartoon thing, and I'm thinking, oh, man, 133 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: this is where child services are to drag the parrots away, 134 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: and you just tell your kids now one word no oh. 135 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: But then yeah they complain, right, we were those kids. 136 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: The subject matter was different my kids, Yeah, subject matter 137 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: was different. You just have to exert discipline. And it's 138 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: not about yelling at them or beating them. It's a 139 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: lot of people think you have to yell at them, 140 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: you have to beat them. That's disciplined. No discipline is 141 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: saying no discipline is teaching them self control, hold back. 142 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: You don't need to be gratified immediately. It's not that 143 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 2: hard to repeat that lesson and live that way and 144 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: insist on it with your kids. It's not that hard. 145 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 2: You just don't want to do it because you're busy 146 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: scrolling too. I love the mothers in the park. I 147 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 2: go to a park three mornings a week right to 148 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: work out with my friend and the mothers scrolling. 149 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: I've seen plenty of fathers do the same. 150 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: Father's scrolling too, But where I am, there's more mothers 151 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: at the park than fathers. Actually, where I am there's 152 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: more nannies. Oh yeah, of course yes, and they're scrolling too. 153 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 2: Everybody's scrolling. Royal Oaks is going to come on right 154 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: after Devers' three thirty news to talk about the legal 155 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: aspects of this, because that was just one case involving 156 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: this girl, Kayla. There are many more cases already lined 157 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 2: up in Los Angeles and obviously there could be thousands 158 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 2: of cases. And there was also a case recently in 159 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: New Mexico. So we'll talk about that with Royal Oaks 160 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: after three point thirty. Coming up in the next segment. 161 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: You remember yesterday we told you about the Fox eleven 162 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: story Matthew Seedorf about the woman who was living underground 163 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: in a sore until she popped her head up through 164 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: a manhole cover. Well, Fox eleven's Christina Gonzalez has a 165 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: follow up. Apparently it's been declared a hazardous hazbad situation 166 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: her home in the shore under the manhole cover. 167 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: We'll tell you all about it. 168 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 4: Next, you're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI 169 00:09:59,080 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 170 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: We'll talk more about the. 171 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: Jury verdict against Meta and Google over YouTube and Facebook 172 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: and Instagram ruining this girl's life. There's been a liability 173 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: verdict in a civil trial. We'll talk about that with 174 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: Royal Oaks, ABC News legal analysts. But first I believe 175 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: it was at this time yesterday we were bringing you 176 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: Matthew Sedor Fox eleven story about the homeless woman who's 177 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: clearly whacked out on drugs, who is living in a 178 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: sore in South La underground and she was entering exit 179 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: through a manhole cover. They got video of her doing so. 180 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: Christina Gonzalez from Fox eleven has done a follow up 181 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 2: report because apparently it's a hasmad area. 182 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: Now play this top one. 183 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 5: Trying to help a woman hiding in a storm drain, 184 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 5: the same woman you saw on Fox eleven living in 185 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 5: a hot drain pact with trash and smelling of human waste. 186 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: I gotta get back. 187 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 5: She's been living in the storm drain for quite some time. 188 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 5: According to Juan Nola, who spends his days trying to 189 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 5: clean up the neighborhood around South Grand and eighty eighth Street. 190 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: She's still there. The trust is there. I saw another 191 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: person living over there. 192 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 5: People living everywhere around here in tents and RVs, even 193 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 5: a boat. One woman sets herself up on boulders next 194 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 5: to the freeway. A man against a sidewall on the 195 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 5: other side, cables routing, electricity run down the street for blocks. 196 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 5: Police cars drive by the encampments, checking things out. People 197 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 5: say everything's fine, please drive on. A street sweeper moves 198 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 5: the dust. Parking enforcement deals with abandoned vehicles, but people 199 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 5: say off camera they're on their own. A woman talking 200 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 5: to herself when she comes out of the drain is 201 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 5: nothing unique? 202 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: Went into the show she was living in the sewer. 203 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's fair, that's a fair. 204 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 5: The woman is chasing people getting video of her with 205 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 5: their cell phones. But go back into the terrain where 206 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 5: we try talking to her. Talked to me, what's going on? 207 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 5: I've got hard to make out, but something about she 208 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 5: has new clothes and shows her friends. Or I a 209 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 5: three like a town like four? How many people are 210 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 5: living down there with you? There's another guy. If I 211 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 5: found you a place to stay, would you go? 212 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 6: Sure you would? 213 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 5: Now those words are very clear. After many calls to 214 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 5: city officials, what you see is yes, l APD, the 215 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 5: fire department, sanitation. Quite a few cruis out here. Eventually 216 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 5: she comes out. Firefighters quickly move in to block the 217 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 5: manhole cover. As she walks past us, she is mumbling, 218 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 5: is he going? Hard to make out? What she was saying, 219 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 5: but something about being homeless and where's she going to go? 220 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 5: I know they were trying to help her or get 221 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 5: her to accept help. Now back here live again. They 222 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 5: have actually declared this and I quote them, a hot zone. 223 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 5: They're keeping us a block away, a yellow tip included, 224 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 5: and they're wearing you know, the suits. They have to 225 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 5: get in there, clean it out, and then the most 226 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 5: important thing is that manhole cover. They have to replace 227 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 5: it with one that will not be easily moved away, 228 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 5: because that's what started the problem. Somebody stole the manhole 229 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 5: cover and that's how she got in. And if they 230 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 5: don't secure it well enough, they're gonna steal it again, 231 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 5: and she'll be right back in there they're afraid of. 232 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 5: So that is what is going on here live in 233 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 5: South Los Angeles. Obviously a very difficult situation. And again 234 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 5: as to the bigger picture, what you saw happening all 235 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 5: around here, if we get an answer from the Mayor's 236 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 5: office or the GOA, you'll be sure to put it 237 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 5: on right. 238 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: Sorry, you put it down there. Yeah, you're not going 239 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 2: to get answer from the mayor's office. People have been 240 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: reporting her for quite some time and the mayor's office 241 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 2: never responded. Nobody responded, and you heard them explain. 242 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: They go right by. 243 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 2: They're stealing water, they're stealing electricity. If you see the video, 244 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 2: all these disgusting RVs all parked up and down the block. 245 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: It's been like that forever. And they dump all their 246 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 2: waste out onto the street. You know, when you have 247 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: an RV, eventually you have to dump all your toilet 248 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 2: waist somewhere and you go to an RV park. They've 249 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: got a way of handling that. You're doing it out 250 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: in the middle of a residential street. There is nowhere 251 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: else to go but just let it rip. And then 252 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: and then it goes into the store. Right eventually gets 253 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: washed into the store on top of this woman. No wonder, 254 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: she can't speak anymore. 255 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: She gets covered over with human feces every few hours, 256 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: mumbling to herself, whacked on drugs, insane. 257 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: They do nothing. They let people rot and die. That's 258 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: what Karen Bass does, right, She got to put up 259 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: billboards for her new mayoral campaign, let them rot and die, 260 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: and have this woman pictured as the poster child. 261 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: We come back. Royal Oaks is for ABC. 262 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: News, the legal analyst that we're going to talk about 263 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: meta for Facebook and Instagram and Google, which has YouTube. 264 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: They're getting whacked financially by a jury who says they're 265 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: liable for screwing up this girl's life. She's twenty. Your 266 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: name's Kayla. Since she was six, she was addicted to 267 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: social media. Will tell you all about it. 268 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI Am 269 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 4: six forty. 270 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: Follow us at John Cobelt Radio. On social media at 271 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: John Cobelt Radio, and you can also subscribe to our 272 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: YouTube channel YouTube dot com, slash at John Cobelt Show. 273 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: YouTube dot com, slash at John Cobelt Show. And I 274 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 2: think today's the last day that you could still go 275 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: to Amazon and buy a ten foot rubber hose and 276 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: send it to Genie Kenonias because tomorrow is the party. 277 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: Tomorrow is the party at the Department of Wader and 278 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: Power headquarters. Unless they moved it and didn't tell anybody 279 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: that's the thing. They were going to have it in 280 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: the auditorium at the John Ferraro Building, which is at 281 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: one eleven North Hope Street, and they said it was 282 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: an open house. And we told you to a very 283 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: least send her a farewell present and all the information 284 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: we put on our social media. It's one eleven North 285 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: Hope Street, Los Angeles. And you could send her for 286 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine a rubber hose because that's what she 287 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: needed to refill the reservoir that she drained, the Palisades 288 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: reservoir she was doing who drained it? One hundred and 289 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: seventeen million gallons, big reason why the firefighters had no 290 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: water to help put out the Palisades fire. And tomorrow, 291 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: at this time, I guess she's, yeah, her party would 292 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 2: be over and she'll be officially gone, and she's off 293 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: to Puerto Rico to destroy the they're electrical grid. So 294 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: you could still you could still send the present, and 295 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 2: because even if it shows up late, they'll probably forward 296 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: the hoses to her in Puerto Rico. 297 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: I'm sure they will. It'd be the right thing to do. 298 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: Let's get Royal Oaks on Royal Oaks and he's the 299 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: ABC News Legal analyst. 300 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 6: Royal. 301 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: It was good to see you in person at the 302 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: Golden Mikes. 303 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 6: Oh that was fine that the Golden Mike's. Yeah, congratulations 304 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 6: says to you. And it was a beautiful night, a 305 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 6: better night than Meta had this week. It's pretty amazing. 306 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 6: John Meta lost three hundred and seventy five million dollars 307 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 6: in that New Mexico case yesterday, which was you know, 308 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 6: you of addicted to young people, you'd ruined their lives, 309 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 6: and the jury just really was very bold in coming 310 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 6: up with that number. Today, John, in the Los Angeles trial, 311 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 6: it's six million. Now sounds like a lot of money, 312 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 6: and it is, but it was three million regular damages 313 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 6: and then they go into a special session to decide 314 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 6: how much impunitive damages if they said yes to punitives 315 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 6: on the verdict form, which they did, and they only 316 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 6: came up with three million dollars. And it's I think 317 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 6: because the plaintiff, the young woman in this case, and 318 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 6: a lot of mental health issues separate and apart from 319 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 6: the social media stuff, so the jury probably was kind 320 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 6: of split in the baby. 321 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's twenty years old. Her name's Kayla, and claims 322 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: that she started getting addicted when she was six years 323 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: old and because of the infinite scroll and the algorithms, 324 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: she said Instagram, Facebook, which Meta owns, Google's YouTube kept 325 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 2: feeding her stuff which distorted her sense of I guess 326 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 2: her body and gave her all kinds of mental disorders, 327 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: and the jury found that they designed features that were 328 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: addictive and damaging. But yeah, the six million dollars is 329 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: not nearly as much as three hundred and seventy five million, 330 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: And you think that's the real difference is well, what 331 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 2: was the New Mexico case? Exactly? Because I wasn't paying 332 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 2: close attention to that one. 333 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 6: Why was the same kind of same deal per young 334 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 6: person who was exposed to this and had horrible metal 335 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 6: health impacts? But that plaintiff in New Mexico didn't have 336 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 6: the baggage in terms of other causes of metal health. 337 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 6: But either way, I mean, you know, it's the big 338 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 6: losses from META in both cases. And the context John 339 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 6: is this. There are about a thousand of these cases 340 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 6: around the country, and now more will be filed because 341 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 6: of the headlines over these two. Now these thousand cases, 342 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 6: When judges see a thousand cases, they say we're going 343 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 6: to do something special. So what they did was they 344 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 6: picked nine to have jury trials, and number one was 345 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 6: this LA case. Number two was New Mexico. They got 346 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 6: to their verdict a little faster. We're going to see 347 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 6: seven more verdicts, and then both sides are going to 348 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 6: be sitting down with all the fancy lawyers and trying 349 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 6: to cut deals like they did in the tobacco cases 350 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 6: and the alcohol adds and so on. You know, left 351 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 6: aside is the question what about personal responsibility? I mean, 352 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,719 Speaker 6: what about the parents who maybe should have known that 353 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 6: Metal alone spent thirty billion dollars on guardrails and trying 354 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 6: to prevent kids from get addicted. But there were some 355 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 6: smoking gun documents about you know, researchers inside Meta saying, hey, 356 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 6: you know, we got it. If we want them as teams, 357 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 6: we got to hook them as tweens. So the jury 358 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 6: obviously got mad about that. 359 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I we talked about this earlier. 360 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: I have no doubt that Meta and Google knew what 361 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: they were doing, because I've seen all the reports, and 362 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 2: I've seen the leak to documents. I've seen television investigations 363 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 2: on this, so I know exactly what they were doing. 364 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 2: You know, I don't. I think that's in dispute. But 365 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: you know, I mentioned before that my kids missed the 366 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: heart of that social media insanity, so they were it 367 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: barely touched them. They were just a little too old 368 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 2: for all of it. And what you need is the 369 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: ability to say no as a parent and enforce that discipline. 370 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 2: And it troubles me that the parents are off the 371 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: hook here and the companies have to dole out millions, 372 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 2: maybe billions of dollars. If you go by the New 373 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 2: Mexico decision and wait a second, what are you supposed 374 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: to be doing at home there? Because I see these 375 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: little kids, three year olds walking around with iPads. 376 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,239 Speaker 6: Oh no, it's really an amazing situation. One problem that 377 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 6: put the Platforms has is all the jurors, almost all 378 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 6: of them are parents, and the parents probably are not 379 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 6: going to be pointing at themselves trying to blame themselves, 380 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 6: and they've got kids and they're worried about their kids. 381 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 6: I got to say this John though, this guy who 382 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 6: won the case, Mark Lanier, he is a superstar. He's 383 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 6: out of Texas, big plant, this lawyer, he has won 384 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 6: a billion in a case, or a billion and a 385 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 6: half in a case. He goes after big Pharma, big tobacco, 386 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 6: big asbestos. I got to say, for all you know 387 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 6: the talk, you're going to hear Keith gnashing his teeth 388 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 6: today because three million dollars is not what he wants 389 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 6: to hear. On periods. Peeratives are a way for a 390 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 6: jury to say, we are mad as hell and we 391 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 6: gave three million in regular, but we're going to give 392 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 6: thirty or three hundred million. 393 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: Now. 394 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 6: The course won't let you have a multiplayer like that, 395 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 6: but jurors try to do that. For this guy out 396 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 6: of Texas, to get just three million impunitives, it's got 397 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 6: to be seen as a setback for him. But he's 398 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 6: got dozens of other cases he can try, so maybe 399 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 6: he'll get luckier in the next one. 400 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had heard, and I don't know if he 401 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: was just. 402 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: He had said that. You know, he might not win 403 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 2: all the early cases, but he's going to learn. He's 404 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 2: going to learn what arguments work or don't work with 405 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: a jury. And it's almost like there had to be 406 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: a couple of trial cases at first where he's going 407 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: to test to see what juries are swayed by. And 408 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 2: I guess he found out there's a limit to blame 409 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 2: blaming these big companies. If your client has a lot 410 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: of like pre existing conditions or concurring addictions that they've developed, that's. 411 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 6: Exactly right, and they're going to try to plan to 412 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 6: have the strongest possible plaintiffs go to trial, but the 413 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 6: judges aren't in a position to stop that. And of course, 414 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 6: on the learning issue, the defense learns as well. I mean, 415 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 6: I've tried cases where because of miss trials and song 416 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 6: we had to do it twice or after an appeal 417 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 6: reverses it, and the defense can go to school and 418 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 6: try to improve as well. But the bottom line is 419 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 6: people don't like big social media companies. They know it's 420 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 6: a big problem. As you say, everybody has this sort 421 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 6: of an inherent instinctive notion that yes, of course it's addictive. 422 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 6: The question is that you're going to get twelve people 423 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 6: who say, well, yeah, it is, But am I going 424 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 6: to put these companies out of business when really it 425 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 6: was the choice of the parents to let the kids 426 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 6: look at the screens twelve hours a day. That's the 427 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 6: big issue, you know. 428 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: When I see the zombies around here, there's usually a 429 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: long line of zombies crossing from the station to the 430 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: Whole Foods at lunch hour, which is wating. 431 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 6: I hope I want to roll. 432 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: The window down. I've come closer saying put it down. 433 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: Stop staring at it, stop it because they. 434 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: Look like you go ahead. 435 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 6: I'll tell you a very quick story. I was watching 436 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 6: the jury selections of this LA trial weeks ago, and 437 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 6: I thought it was really interesting that as the jury 438 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 6: are waiting in the hallway to go into the court 439 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 6: to be questioned, you know, can you be fair and 440 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 6: so on, they're all endlessly scrolling on their social media spears. 441 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's It's always that they are not reading the news. 442 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 2: They are not researching any great scientific questions or philosophical questions. 443 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: They're just scrolling nonsense. Because I'll look over their shoulder 444 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: in the elevators and it's like, oh man, you've got 445 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: the IQ of a vegetable. If that's how you're entertaining yourself. Hi, Royle, 446 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 2: thanks for coming on. All right, Royal Oaks, ABC News. 447 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,479 Speaker 2: When we come back. I have some scientific evidence that you, 448 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 2: Deborah are going to get dementia before me. I know 449 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: for sure. Now it seems to be a what are 450 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 2: you waving at? You can't hear me? 451 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 3: Hello, sorry, Tony, And there had one of the buttons 452 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 3: pushed on off so you can and hear me. 453 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: So okay, I will get dementia before you. I have 454 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: scientific proof. I'll put your mind at ease. 455 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 3: It's not going to put me at ease. I mean, oh, actually, well, 456 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 3: then I'll know what to do before. 457 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: I get you. 458 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: I'm just saying you're gonna get it before me. I 459 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: am protecting myself. 460 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: You'll find well, then I need to protect myself. Oh 461 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you will. 462 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI A 463 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 4: M six forty. 464 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: All right, I think I know for sure now that 465 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: you are going to get dementia before I do. Okay, 466 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 2: why researchers in Sweden, you know you're more likely to 467 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 2: get dementia Alzheimer's disease based on sometimes genetic predisposition. Researchers 468 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: in Sweden found that seniors were able to offset a 469 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 2: genetic risk for Alzheimer's by consuming more meat. 470 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 3: I forget it. 471 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 2: There's a gene called a poe and different variations of 472 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: the gene, and a large percentage of people carry the 473 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: gene and end up getting Alzheimer's and dementia. And if 474 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: you have a higher meat intake, it works against the 475 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: damage that that gene causes to your brain. They followed 476 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 2: twenty one hundred Swedish people for fifteen years, all over 477 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: the age of sixty and they had no diagnosis of dementia, 478 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 2: and the increased risk of cognitive decline in dementia was 479 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 2: not seen in the top twenty percent of risk groups 480 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 2: who had those genes. 481 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 3: It's too late. Even if I decided to eat meat, 482 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 3: what's done is done. 483 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 2: I'm sure it says a lower And Plus it's like beef, 484 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 2: like I eat, not processed meat, not the sliced balonne 485 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: or bacon or anything. 486 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 5: Huh. 487 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 2: They found a significant reduction in the chances of early 488 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 2: death and the carriers of those genes who ate higher 489 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 2: quantities of unprocessed meat like the beef I eat my burgers. 490 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 491 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 2: Turns out because if you eat a lot of meat, 492 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: you also maintain your muscle mass. 493 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: Right. 494 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 2: The protein keeps your muscle strong, and having muscle mass 495 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 2: in old age reduces morbidity slows the aging process. By 496 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 2: slowing the aging process, it makes it less likely that 497 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 2: dementia develops. Dementia is a function of aging. So if 498 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 2: you slow the aging process by keeping your muscle mass high, 499 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: which comes from the protein and meat, they think that 500 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: is the chain of events that will allow me. 501 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: To live longer than you without dementia. 502 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: You see, I see see I have been on the 503 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 2: healthful track all along. Oh so I meant to tell 504 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 2: you about all the meat I had. You, scoff, You'll see. 505 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: I'll come visit you. 506 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 5: You know. 507 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 3: You know that I'm going to get it going. Well, No, 508 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 3: I think I'm halfway there. 509 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 2: So when I was in Scottsdale with my friends, you know, 510 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: like radio friends, we had every year go to spring 511 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: training baseball in Scottsdale. 512 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: So finally barbecues, yes. 513 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, days ly, but I had well, you know, 514 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: people started ordering things and I ended up having like 515 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 2: this combination raw beef, oh ew, beef tongue, oh god, 516 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: and pork belly, Oh god. 517 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: The pork belly set the triple round. 518 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 3: That is, you know, I'm eating some vegan stuff in 519 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 3: here right now, I throw it all up. 520 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 2: See I waited. I kept in my head just I 521 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 2: wanted to hear that sound you made raw beef and 522 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 2: beef tongue, which wasn't that good. The pork belly, though, 523 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 2: is great. And when I had the pork belly, actually thought, 524 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 2: do you ate the raw beef? 525 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 5: Oh? John gross? 526 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 3: Did you ate all those three things? 527 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 5: Yeah? 528 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: You know how they serve it because there was a 529 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: there was a woman, a cook making it. 530 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: At the table. 531 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: Oh and you didn't want to be rude. 532 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: No, I wanted to eat it. Okay, it wasn't an accident. 533 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 2: I said, give me that raw beef, give me that tongue. 534 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: Well the beef tongue kind of grossed me out, but 535 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: I thought, no, I thought, I'll didn't look like a tongue. 536 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: Well, it was chopped into pieces. Actually that's what I 537 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: thought to you. 538 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 2: It's like, you know what, I'll bite into this just 539 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: so I can gross Debora out when I come back. Uh, 540 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 2: and then I know how you feel about it. 541 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 6: Yeah. 542 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was not worth waiting for. 543 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: It, all right, you begged me for a week. 544 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 2: Alex Biana Wava, the former La County sheriff who is 545 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: running again for that same office. 546 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: He's coming on next. 547 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 2: Because an investigation has shown that all the times that 548 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 2: people accused him of harboring deputy gangs, there was never 549 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 2: any such thing. There were no deputy gangs, so says 550 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 2: the investigation. We'll talk to Alex Vihana way up next, 551 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 2: Debora Mark Live in the CAFI twenty four hour newsroom. Hey, 552 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. You 553 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 2: can always hear the show live on KFI Am six 554 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 2: forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, 555 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 2: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app