1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: This story contains adult content and language. Listener discretion is advised. Okay, 2 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: So this is the other house that I told you 3 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: about where another person is sick, the sister. Yeah, that's right. 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: So this is Jefferson Avenue and it used to be 5 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: called Peter's Avenue when they were here, and it took 6 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: me a while to figure that out. That's why I've 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: been driving around in a circle because they renamed it 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: a long time ago. Okay, So who lived here? So 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: Uncle Robert and Aunt Mary, and Gertrude and Annie and Elise, 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: five people. Can you believe? Five people lived in this house? 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: And Elise was the one who was really sick what happened? 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: She was complaining of these stomach pains and she was 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: kind of going in and out of consciousness in this 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: house one hundred years ago. Can you believe that? Wow? Okay, 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: So remember that I took you to the house where 16 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: Mary Agnes and her parents died. That was at the 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: other house. Robert and Mary Crawford's home on Peters Avenue 18 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: in Uptown, New Orleans was quiet. In the early morning 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: hours of Saturday, September twenty third, nineteen eleven. Elise Crawford 20 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: lay in her bed. She had seemed destined to have 21 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: a short, difficult life. At last had a baby out 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: of wedlock and then felt forced to place it for adoption. 23 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: Then the man she loved refused to marry her. In 24 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: the aftermath, Elise had become secretly addicted to morphine, and 25 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: then she had gone on to spend the last year 26 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: mourning the deaths of both of her parents and her sister, 27 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: and now the twenty five year old was dying. Their 28 00:01:54,480 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: family physician, doctor Marian Maguire, carefully examined Elise's pupils. He 29 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: said that they were the size of pinpoints. Doctor Maguire 30 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: called an ambulance and sent Elie to nearby Charity Hospital. 31 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: Author Alan Gotro says that her medical condition seemed to 32 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: deteriorate over just a few days, until her suffering was 33 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: finally over. 34 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: Alisa's breathing became very shallow and she was brought to 35 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: Charity Hospital and at six thirty am that morning, she expired. 36 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: She never regained consciousness. The family buried her on September 37 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: twenty fourth, nineteen eleven, in the same plot with her 38 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: father and her mother and her younger. 39 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: Sister, Aunt Mary, wept over the death of her niece, 40 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: the fourth death in just a little more than a year. 41 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: Gertrude cried too. Then Aunt Mary turned to Annie for 42 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: a shared sense of sorrow, but as before, there was 43 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: nothing there. 44 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: She said that Annie displayed not the slightest trace of 45 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: emotion when Elise died. 46 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: But then another interesting thing happened. Just a few days 47 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: after Elise's death, Annie wrapped on the office door of 48 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: the railway where Elise worked as a stenographer. As Annie 49 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: sat down, she told the supervisors that Elise had died 50 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: two days earlier. Annie was there to collect her sister's 51 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: paycheck of forty five dollars, which would be worth about 52 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: thirteen hundred dollars today. The supervisor scribbled out the amount 53 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: on a check, tore it off, and handed it to Annie. 54 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: I know, I said earlier that everyone mourns differently, But 55 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: Annie Crawford reacted so coldly to her younger sister's death 56 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: it just keeps feeling suspicious to me. It was also 57 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: suspicious to Elise's personal physician, doctor Maryan Maguire, and he 58 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: relayed those concerns to the medical examiner. Soon Annie visited 59 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: the medical examiner's office as she had done three times before. 60 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: She was there to retrieve Elisa's death certificate so she 61 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: could collect Elisa's life insurance money, But this time the 62 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: medical examiner hesitated. He looked to Annie over and refused 63 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: to declare a cause of death. This was the start 64 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: of many problems for Annie Crawford, and historian Terence Fitzmorris 65 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: says that the medical examiner was suspicious thanks to doctor 66 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: McGuire and Annie's own family. 67 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 3: The suspicion came from her aunt and her sister Gertrude, 68 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 3: the other ones that leveled those accusations. 69 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: Finally, after four people in the same family were dead, 70 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: there was someone in this story who suspected foul play. 71 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: Doctor maguire had listened to Aunt Mary's concerns about the 72 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: funny tasting broth, the delay in calling him, the white pills, 73 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: and her niece Annie's generally odd behavior. Annie had insisted 74 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: on treating each of the deceased family members with different remedies. 75 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: She had collected the life in Shire turns money. Aunt 76 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: Mary and Gertrude had watched Annie at Elisa's funeral. Her coldness, 77 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: her lack of compassion made them suspicious. What if she 78 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: had killed all of them. They thought it was such 79 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: a horrid thing to accuse a family member of Gertrude 80 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: was scared of Annie. By this time, her sister had 81 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: offered her some funny tasting milk too. Gertrude and Aunt 82 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: Mary thought it all added up to murder, so doctor 83 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,679 Speaker 1: maguire went to work very quickly. The doctor issued orders 84 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: that Elisa's body be exhumed for examination. 85 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: McGuire took samples from the body of fluids and decided 86 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: to send them to the city chemist, who is a 87 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: guy by the name of Abraham L. Metz. 88 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: And what did doctor Metz find? 89 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 2: So Mets analyzes the fluids and he determines that the 90 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: fluids had massive amounts of morphine wow, enough enough to 91 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: kill five. 92 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 1: Grown men five rown men. 93 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: Never before had he found such a large quantity of 94 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 2: crystallized morphine in the human body. Wow. And to confirm 95 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: his analysis, there was another guy by the name of 96 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: doctor Charles Duvalak Tulane University Medical School that examined the 97 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: organs as well, and there were lesions on the spleen 98 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: that indicated opium poison. 99 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: So the police were dispatched to find Annie and they 100 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: bring her in for questioning. 101 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: I'm assuming the next day the police arrive at the 102 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: residence and they walk in and it looks like somebody's 103 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: moving out, and they had boxes that were lining the floor, 104 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: and the furniture had already been removed from the residence. 105 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: I didn't get any indication as to where they had 106 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: moved to. The girl's aunt, Mary, stated to investigators that 107 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: the family possessed plans to separate. 108 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: Robert and Mary Crawford had decided that it was time 109 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: to leave their home on Peters Avenue. They had watched 110 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: Alice die there. They couldn't live there any longer. Gertrude 111 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: stood on their porch and wept. She and Annie were 112 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: supposed to go to Port Arthur, Texas and live with 113 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: their eldest sister, Emma and her husband, but the police 114 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: had other plans. 115 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: The authorities wanted to question everyone, so in order to 116 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: get everyone down to the police station, they had to 117 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: stop a streetcar, and they commandeered the streetcar and brought 118 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: them down to the local police headquarters, which at the 119 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: time I believe was on Loyola Avenue. 120 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: Police investigators sat Annie Crawford down in the interrogation room 121 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: and they talked to Annie's aunt Mary. 122 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: They called on Mary Crawford to make a statement, and 123 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: she said that Annie appeared reticent to call the doctor 124 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: until Mary, the aunt, forced her to do it. So 125 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: what happens is the focus goes from the rest of 126 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: the family to Annie and they start questioning her. And 127 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: at first she did that, you know, I didn't do 128 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: anything wrong. I don't know why my aunt's acting like this. 129 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: They spent hours peppering Annie with pointed questions about the 130 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: death of her younger sister Elise. As an assistant scribbled 131 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: her answers down on a pad. Annie replied to each question, 132 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: how did she get that much morphine? The police chief asked, 133 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, Annie answered calmly. 134 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: When she spoke to the police, she said, you know, 135 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: I'm going to quote here, Yes, I gave her three capsules. 136 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: She admitted that she had given Elise the pills that 137 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: doctor Maguire had prescribed for Elise's upset stomach, but Annie 138 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: was certain that the white pills she offered Elease were 139 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: filled with by carbonate of soda, not morphine. Wouldn't you 140 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: know the difference, asked the police chief. No, Annie replied, 141 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: don't all capsules look alike to you, but that seems 142 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: unlikely because Annie had handled morphine pills daily four years. 143 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: The chief asked, why didn't you call a doctor immediately? 144 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: Annie replied, I thought that Elice would just get over it. 145 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: The police chief relayed all of this information to the 146 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: District Attorney of New Orleans, Sinclair Adams. Adams weighed the case. 147 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: It was largely circumstantial. Could the savvy prosecutor prove that 148 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: the meek, seemingly harmless spinster was a ruthless killer? Yes, 149 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: replied Adams. Charge her with first degree murder. Adams was 150 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: sure that this was no accident. This was a well 151 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: planned murder executed by a dope fiend for the insurance money. 152 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: Annie Crawford would go on trial for her sister's death. 153 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: Historian Terence Fitzmorris says that Sainclair claimed greed and addiction 154 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: were the motives and morphine was the weapon. 155 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: I think the district Attorney, Saint Clair Adams had a 156 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: reputation of being a hard news prosecute and given the 157 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: number of sensational murders that are going on around that 158 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 3: time and even earlier, women who killed their lovers, women 159 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: who killed their husbands. 160 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 4: This is a sensational. 161 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: Murder which has all the earmarks, you know, a scandal. 162 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: And what did Sinclair Adams say that Annie actually did 163 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: with all that money. 164 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: It's daughter kills mother kills, father, kills sisters, takes the 165 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 3: money and buys clothes for herself and any playersures. 166 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 4: That she can get. It's a sensational story. 167 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: Sinclair claimed that the loss of Annie's job and her 168 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: access to money and opium were all catalysts. Access to 169 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: drugs coupled with addiction is often problematic for others in 170 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: the medical profession. Annie admitted to the police that she 171 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: herself was addicted to morphine. The medical examiner, doctor Metz, 172 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: said that no one should believe anything that Annie Crawford said. 173 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: And he says, quote, morphine fiend should not be believed 174 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: unless corroborated by reliable persons. My experience with them was 175 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: that they are inveterate liars and no dependence was to 176 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 2: be placed on what they said. They always tried to 177 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: hide their fault. And this was a doctor, he was 178 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 2: a chemist, but he's making a behavioral type of assessment 179 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: on her. At the same time, morphine fiend. 180 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: That's why Annie had the pills, and when the press 181 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: in New Orleans heard the story, reporters began calling Annie 182 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 1: a dope fiend. Our modern press would probably refer to 183 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: her as a drug addict, but she was labeled by 184 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: the media as a drug addult murderer right from the start. 185 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: Sarah Kaiser now works in addiction recovery, but more than 186 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: a decade ago, she was a licensed nurse working at 187 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: nursing homes in New England while she was addicted to 188 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: heroin and morphine, among other things. Sarah's is that anyone 189 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: in the medical profession is susceptible to becoming addicted, whether 190 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,359 Speaker 1: it's before they become licensed or even during their time practicing. 191 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 5: Nurses tend to have certain personality types. We're helpers and 192 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 5: we're fixers, So there's that, and then there's access. But 193 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 5: I think it's a lot of like, you do what 194 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 5: you can with where you are if you happen to 195 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 5: also have that disease of addiction. So there's a ton 196 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 5: of nurses who aren't hooked on pills, who don't steal medicine. 197 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: Sarah and I are talking about outliers. According to experts, 198 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: less than six percent of medical professionals struggle with drug abuse, 199 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: and not all of them become addicts on the job. 200 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: In fact, Sarah was an addict even before she went 201 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: to nursing school. 202 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 5: I went to nursing school when I was quote unquote 203 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 5: in recovery, right, Okay, So I had a couple of 204 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 5: years where I was sober and I had gone to treatment, 205 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 5: I think for the first time when I was nineteen 206 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 5: and I came out and I was like, oh, now 207 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 5: I'm going to finally be a nurse. So I went 208 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 5: to school and A's became my drive, that motivating factor, 209 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 5: and I stayed sober pretty much till the end of it. 210 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 5: And then shortly towards the end, I think I had 211 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 5: to have my gallbladder out or something, and I had 212 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 5: to have substances, but I didn't have the recovery foundation behind. 213 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: Me, So you struggled. 214 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 5: I was going through the motions and I was doing 215 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 5: what was expected of me, but not actually putting an effort. 216 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: Okay. You get through nursing school, which is no small feet, 217 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: and you start working for a hospital. 218 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 5: I was an LPN, so I was working in nursing 219 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 5: homes and I had relapsed. I had resumed use, and 220 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 5: all of a sudden it was right there. So it 221 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 5: wasn't The diverting meds didn't come first, The temptation didn't 222 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 5: come from my work. My work became a means to 223 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 5: satisfy the problem that I had resumed externally. 224 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: Were your patients at the nursing home? Was there ever 225 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: a risk to them from you or anybody frankly who 226 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: would have been using or an active addict at the time. 227 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I wasn't a good nurse. I wasn't 228 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 5: as attentive as I should have been. I was skipping treatments. 229 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 5: I was skipping certain medications. Obviously they weren't getting the 230 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 5: medications that were owed to them. A high nurse is 231 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 5: not a good nurse. 232 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: But were you functioning when I was impaired? 233 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 5: I was not a good nurse, and so I actually 234 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 5: took myself out of nursing before the DEA caught up 235 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 5: with me. So I remember I was working for a 236 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 5: pool and I was which means you kind of float 237 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 5: around to like different facilities where you're needed and plug in. 238 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 5: And I remember just saying like I'm gonna kill someone 239 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 5: if I keep doing this. Oh no, not like on purpose, 240 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 5: like I'm gonna make a mistake that's gonna end someone's life. 241 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 5: And I remember having this moment of clarity where I 242 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 5: was like, if that happens, I'm probably never gonna be 243 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 5: able to actually get sober. Like I don't want to 244 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 5: get sober today, but I also want to do something 245 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 5: that the guilt prevents me from recovery later. 246 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: So, around two thousand and nine, Sarah turned herself in 247 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: soon after she lost her license. After she entered recovery. 248 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: Sarah eventually earned back that license, but she's no longer 249 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: working as a nurse by her choice. I asked Sarah 250 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: what could be done to change the system, the one 251 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: that allowed her to move from facility to facility with impunity. 252 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 5: I think we have to be rigorous, probably with the reporting, 253 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 5: and not be afraid to report people in that field 254 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 5: because it can actually help someone. It helps the patients, 255 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 5: but it also helps the nurse. I think we're so 256 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 5: afraid to do that because we don't want to be 257 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 5: a snitch. We don't want to ruin someone's career. But 258 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 5: that's just enabling behavior. An enabling behavior can kill people. 259 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: In nineteen eleven, the chief of Police of New Orleans 260 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: and the prosecutor were trying to settle on a motive 261 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: for murder. The case against Annie Crawford was befuddling to investigators. 262 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: The DA had established that Annie was addicted to morphine, 263 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: and she admitted it. Annie had been labeled by the 264 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: police and the media as a drug fiend. Why would 265 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: Annie intentionally give her sister too much morphine? Perhaps Annie 266 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: was high the night that Elise returned home and complained 267 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: of an aching stomach. Maybe Annie overreacted to her sister's 268 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: demands for drugs, and maybe she made a mistake. The 269 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: police chief asked her, how did you and Elise get along? 270 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: Annie replied, not well. Alise didn't treat me right, Annie 271 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: explained coldly. She refused to be specific, but Annie had 272 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: complained in the past that Elise would virtually ignore her 273 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: at home, just like her aunt, Mary A. Lease, seemed 274 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: to resent Annie's controlling behavior. There had been a rift 275 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: between the sisters for years, and that might have been 276 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: a motive. Author Mary K. Macbrayer wrote a book about 277 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: the serial Jane Toppin. Investigators in her story finally became 278 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: suspicious when multiple members of one family died, just like 279 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: an Annie Crawford's case, but in Tappin's case there seemed 280 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: to be little animosity toward her victims, so it was 281 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: hard to make the connections until there were too many 282 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: deaths to ignore. 283 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 6: That's when the detectives are like, there's no way all 284 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 6: four of these family members who were in totally fine 285 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 6: health before just happened to come into this woman's orbit 286 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 6: and then died unexpectedly, Like there's no way she's not 287 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 6: related in some way. 288 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: In nineteen eleven, when the police chief questioned her about 289 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: the deaths of her sister, Mary Agnes and her parents, 290 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: Annie simply shrugged. Their doctors had determined that Mary Agnes 291 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: died of spinal meningitis, while their parents had both died 292 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: from euremia poisoning. None of these deaths seemed to surprise 293 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: their doctors at the time, even though they were less 294 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: than two months apart. 295 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: Because of the suspicions about Walter, his wife, and Agnes, 296 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: Adams moved to have those bodies exhumed for examination. 297 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: Grave diggers at Saint Patrick's Cemetery Number three located the 298 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 1: remains of the parents and the young woman, but the 299 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: medical examiner was not optimistic. From the start, we. 300 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 4: Don't know about the other three. 301 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 3: We do know about at least they couldn't exhume the 302 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 3: bodies and the others because they wouldn't been able to 303 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 3: tell if any morphine had been in it. 304 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: So the DA wouldn't be able to charge Annie with 305 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: those three deaths because there wasn't enough forensic evidence. Greed 306 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: was not a strong enough motive because the life insurance 307 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: money was not very much, the prosecutor would need to 308 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: lean on a lease to convict Annie Crawford. 309 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 3: Her body was exhumed twice, the first time to see 310 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 3: if there was morphine in her bodily fluids, which they 311 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 3: did fine. Then they went back the second time to 312 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: see the extent of the morphine. 313 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: Damage, so they needed more proof. 314 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 3: Was obvious that Alice had died of some sort of 315 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 3: drug overdose. 316 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 4: That was clear. 317 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 3: But you couldn't prove it for the other sister, Mary Agnes. 318 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: You couldn't prove it for the father, Walter. You couldn't 319 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 3: prove it for the mother, Emma. So any of those, 320 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 3: none of those circumstances were supported by the forensic evidence. 321 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 3: I know. 322 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: They couldn't prove that Annie's parents and Mary Agnes were murdered, 323 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: but again for people. 324 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 3: In as strange coincidences. I supposed, and I guess we'll 325 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 3: never know because we don't. We can't, we don't have 326 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 3: the forensic evidence. 327 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: But here's something interesting. I assumed that Annie was murdering 328 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: her family members for the life insurance money because she 329 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: needed to support her own morphine habit. She knew that 330 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: she wouldn't have access to the hospital for much longer. Right, 331 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: how many excuses can you make to visit your old job? 332 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: And she was fired on suspicion that she was stealing pills. 333 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: So perhaps Annie Crawford needed money because of her addiction, 334 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: But she had a good answer for that. Annie claimed 335 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: that there simply wasn't enough money to justify murder. The 336 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: life insurance money from her two sisters and her mother 337 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: totaled just a few hundred dollars, and much of that 338 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: went to their funerals and burials. Her father, Walter's estate 339 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: was just one thousand dollars and all of that money 340 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: was now gone. Why would she kill four people for 341 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: such a small amount of money, she asked the district attorney. 342 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: Saint Clair Adams claimed that Annie used most of it 343 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: for her personal clothes, and very little of it went 344 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: to the funerals. But that's not what Annie's surviving sister said. 345 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: And really Annie doesn't strike me as someone who valued 346 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: material things, particularly fancy clothes. Sarah Kaiser, the former nurse, 347 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: is very skeptical that money was a motive, either for 348 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: vanity items or for drugs. 349 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 5: So here's the question, though, that I have, Like, was 350 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 5: the murder for gain? Was it to gain the money 351 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 5: so she could get more drugs? 352 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 3: Like? 353 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 5: Was this behavior or a result of her addiction? 354 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 3: Right? 355 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 4: I have a hard. 356 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 5: Time with this though, because I mean, I would clean 357 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 5: like over eleven years now, but I still remember the 358 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 5: mentality of being a drug addict, and I would be 359 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 5: damned if I was going to give someone else the 360 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 5: drugs intentionally without some sort of other weird motive. So, like, 361 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 5: I have a hard time believing that she was like 362 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 5: this because the drugs. 363 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: So you don't think that an addict would have given 364 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: away her pills even to murder someone for more money. 365 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense to you. 366 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 5: I left with the impression that, like she was a 367 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 5: drug addict, she took actions and murdered because she was 368 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 5: a drug addict to support her habit, but then sitting 369 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 5: here thinking about it, I'm like. 370 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. Kind of a bad soul, you 371 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 372 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 4: Like I think she was a phone. I don't think 373 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 4: she was a real junkie. 374 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 5: I'm sorry. 375 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: Historian Terrence Fitzmorris agrees with Sarah. He has read extensively 376 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: about Annie's arrest and her trial. She was never offered 377 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: an attorney, her family wasn't defending her, In fact, they 378 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: were suspicious of her. So her stress level must have 379 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: been very high. Without morphine in her system, she would 380 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: have likely been having withdrawals. 381 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 3: She would have broken out in sweats, she would have 382 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 3: become extremely irritable and belligerent, demanding, screaming, probably going into 383 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 3: a fetal position of some sort. And she never did 384 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: any of that, showed no indication of that at all. 385 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 3: And I think one of the doctors sort of poo 386 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 3: pooed the idea that she could have been a drug 387 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 3: addict because of her cool demeanor and the lack of 388 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 3: any of these withdrawal symptoms, which will have been quite. 389 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: Prevalent because morphine is so powerful, and. 390 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: These doctors would have known that, particular ones that are 391 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 3: dealing in this sort of pain management and giving off 392 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 3: these drugs and these these people to make sure that 393 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 3: they are calm and out of pain. 394 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: But if Annie weren't using morphine, why was she stealing it? 395 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: Was it to help her sister Elise, remember Annie said 396 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: that they never got along. Or was it to murder 397 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: her family out of spite. Of course, there are conflicting 398 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: stories here, so it's hard to be sure. Some newspaper 399 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: reports at the time claimed that the police might have 400 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: been providing Annie with morphine just to keep her from 401 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: going into withdrawal, which could derail a trial. So maybe 402 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: she was an addict after all. But also some reporters 403 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: in the case were unreliable, maybe because the DA wasn't 404 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: providing them with enough accurate information. And no one in 405 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: her family said that Annie was an addict, but they 406 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: did admit that Elise was an addict. At this point 407 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: in the story, I've begun questioning a number of things, 408 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: mostly because my experts have questions that I hadn't thought of. 409 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: Terrence is isn't actually sure that Annie was guilty of 410 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: murder at all. He suggests that even though she always 411 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: seemed to have a cool demeanor, Annie might have used 412 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: some morphine from the hospital to cope with the loss 413 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: of so many family members. 414 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 3: For someone like Annie, it's a distinct possibility that she 415 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 3: would have tried to use what little dollar she had 416 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: of morphine and opiates to relieve some of her pain and. 417 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 4: Suffering, particularly her mental pain and suffering. You know. To 418 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 4: lose her sister. 419 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 3: Her mother or father, and then another sister in the 420 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 3: space of fourteen months would unnerve and crack even the 421 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 3: most stable of human beings. 422 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: Terrence has a sympathetic view of Annie more than I do. 423 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: Annie and Elise never seem to get along, but despite that, 424 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: Terrence believes that Annie was actually trying to help her 425 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: sister in a twisted sort of way. 426 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 3: She is under great strain and stress when she's taking 427 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 3: these drugs out of the hospital, and my vision is 428 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 3: that she's taking these drugs out of the hospital to 429 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 3: serve her sister's addiction more so than her own. From 430 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 3: reading the testimony in the newspaper, she doesn't seem unhinged 431 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 3: in the sense that she's a drug addict. 432 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 4: I think it comes off loud clear. 433 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 3: I think she's smuggling these drugs to help her sister 434 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 3: release overcome her addiction to morphine. 435 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: So Annie is supplying a lease with morphine. 436 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 3: I think that's what happened to Elise. She gave her 437 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 3: the drugs, the morphine, demanding it. And because we'll never 438 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 3: know that, that speculation, and historians should never speculate. 439 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 4: We should go with the evidence. 440 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: But in this case you have to go on what 441 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 3: little evidence you have. And it seems to me one 442 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 3: she's not a drug addict, to the explanation of giving 443 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 3: her some mild sort of sedative of some sort doesn't 444 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 3: smack right. It just seems that she was involved in 445 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: nursing her sister, and I think she gave her the 446 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: morphine and if she had an adverse response to it 447 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 3: and went into a morphine calm and. 448 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: Died, Wow, that's not a theory. 449 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 3: I was expecting the least was unstable and had threatened 450 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: to kill herself at least once before. 451 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 4: And she had a child. 452 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 3: Out of wedlock. And imagine in a Roman Catholic Irish 453 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 3: family that a child born out of wedlock. I mean, 454 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 3: I had older friends who believed that that no irishman 455 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 3: ever had a child out of wedlock. 456 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 4: It's just ludicrous. And those things happened. 457 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 3: In a world and that was a serious issue for 458 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 3: her to face, and she didn't have an abortion, gave 459 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: up the child silently, I'm sure in some orphanage, probably 460 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 3: not far from where they lived. 461 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: And there were a lot of orphanages in the early 462 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds of New Orleans. 463 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 3: There were orphanages on Napoleon Avenue where they weren't too 464 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 3: far away from that, Saint Vincent's Infant Orphanage, which was 465 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 3: farther downtown. 466 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 4: But there were orphanages all over the city that. 467 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 3: We maintained by the Roman Catholic Church, primarily because the 468 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 3: death of mothers in childbirth or the death of parents 469 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 3: in any number of accidents or diseases were still rampant. 470 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 4: Children died at an alarming rate. 471 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: It seems clear that Elise was mourning many things. Was 472 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: this an addiction that finally ended in an overdose and 473 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: Annie had inadvertently provided the means. That's Terence Fitzmorris's theory. 474 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 3: It's possible that she gave Elise the wrong drugs. 475 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think she gave her the 476 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 4: morphine because she demanded it. That's just my impression. 477 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 3: I just had a friend whose son was a morphine 478 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 3: attic and was offered for a while and came back 479 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 3: to it and just died of an overdose. 480 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 4: And the explanation was his body couldn't take another round 481 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 4: of this stuff. 482 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 3: It had already absorbed as much as it possibly could, and. 483 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 4: That was the addiction. 484 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: Did a lease beg Annie for more morphine? And Annie 485 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: accidentally gave her too much? And were the Crawfords covering 486 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: up all of this to prevent shame being brought onto 487 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: the family. I would think that a murder charge would 488 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: result in bigger shame than the discovery of an addict, 489 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: but these were different times. Annie Crawford's murder trial would 490 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: begin in just a few months. Annie couldn't afford bail, 491 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: so she sat in jail during that time. She also 492 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: couldn't afford an attorney, but District Attorney Sinclair Adams would 493 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: still face a tough foe in court. Two top notch 494 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: attorneys from New Orleans volunteered to defend her, no doubt 495 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: because they sensed that this case would generate a lot 496 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: of publicity, and strangely enough, one of the defense attorneys 497 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: shared the same last name as the DA so who 498 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: does the district attorney face in court. 499 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 3: He faces two significant attorneys in Lionel Adams, whose firm 500 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 3: still exists today, and Joseph Generelli, who. 501 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 4: Was part of that firm. 502 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: Alan told me a little bit more about Lionel Adams. 503 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: The top lawyer was a guy named Lionel Adams. I 504 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 2: used to be a legal investigator and a legal support specialist, 505 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: kind of like a paralegal. I did legal research and 506 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: wrote briefs and stuff like that. And there's an old saying, 507 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 2: if the laws against you, argue the facts. If the 508 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: facts are against you, argue the law. If the facts 509 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 2: and the law against you, pound the table, okay. And 510 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 2: that was Lionel Adams. He was a great orator. 511 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: Terrence says that this this case would be a big 512 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: win for the district attorney. 513 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 3: This would be a real great thing for Saint Clair 514 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 3: Adams to put on his dossier that he put away 515 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 3: what he called an obviously great criminal. He called her 516 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 3: that before William went to trial. She is a great criminal. 517 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: Adams wasn't the only one profiling Annie. The local media 518 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: scrutinized her in the newspapers, and the descriptions weren't flattering. 519 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 3: The newspapers do depict her as creepy. They do depict 520 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 3: her as being extremely eccentric, right, you know, cool, calculating, 521 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 3: always in control of herself, and yet mysterious and not 522 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 3: an exotic, you know, dressed in black horse. 523 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 4: She could claim that she's in mourning. 524 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: In fact, I'm looking at a picture of her right now, 525 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 2: a close up of when she was wearing glasses, and 526 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 2: like you said, it appears she's in a black black 527 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 2: dress and she's being scored it down some steps. 528 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: So she was judged by her appearance. 529 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 4: She was frail, wan mysterious. 530 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 3: She was unattractive, big lips, big nose, big cheekbones, know, 531 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 3: all these things with the opposite of any sort of 532 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 3: feminine beauty or standards of the day. 533 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, all you need to do is look at those 534 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: newspapers from the early nineteen hundreds. 535 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 3: If you look at the newspapers, you'll see these drawings, 536 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 3: at least the early part of the twentieth century, advertisements 537 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 3: of these delicate and gorgeous women with the venus like figures, 538 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 3: you know, and hair that is silky and beautiful, and 539 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 3: they have all the tasteful clothes. 540 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 4: And you know that's not the that's not a reality. 541 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: Maybe Annie Crawford didn't care about how she was portrayed 542 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: in the media. She had bigger worries. At the pre 543 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: trial hearings in nineteen eleven, the judge asked a simple question, 544 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: how do you play to the murder of your sister 545 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: Elise Crawford? Nothing. Annie was silent. 546 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 2: So she goes into court on the twenty eighth of 547 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 2: September nineteen eleven, and she appeared for her arraignment, and 548 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: when she was asked to plead guilty or not guilty, 549 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 2: she didn't respond, so the judge entered a plea of 550 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: not guilty. Now this was after she made a statement 551 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 2: that she could have made a mistake. 552 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,239 Speaker 1: Annie's defense was simple, she regrettably made a mistake and 553 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: gave a lease the wrong capsules. How could the district 554 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: attorney prove that wasn't true in a purely circumstantial case. 555 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: There seemed to be multiple motives, but were any of 556 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: them convincing? Terence Fitzmorris doesn't think so. So you don't 557 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: think that that Annie Crawford is a murderer. You just 558 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: think she's a bad nurse. 559 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 4: Since I think he's a bad sister. 560 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 3: Because she should have taken the child to a doctor 561 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 3: or to a sanitarium that dealt with that. She'd never 562 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: heard self medicated or her sister, but I think there 563 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 3: was so much embarrassment over what her sister's life had 564 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 3: become that she probably did not want to do that. 565 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: Annie made some big mistakes, though, don't you think she She. 566 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 3: Called several doctors. The one doctor Maguire, was recent to 567 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 3: the family. He didn't start treating Elise until nineteen eleven, 568 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 3: and by that time I think she's pretty far gone. 569 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 3: And he even says when he initially saw her that 570 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 3: night of the that she died, that he thought that 571 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 3: she had committed was attempting to commit suicide. And so 572 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 3: that's another key piece of evidence or information that comes 573 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 3: our way, that it had all the earmarks of someone 574 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 3: who was overdosing, and maybe, just maybe Annie was the 575 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 3: culprit in that regard. 576 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: If Annie had murdered Elise or had she overdosed Alease accidentally. 577 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: What about the other three family members who died within 578 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: a year or so of each other. In the last episode, 579 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: doctor Neil Bradbury mentioned something to me. Mary Agnes supposedly 580 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: died of meningitis Walter and his wife both died of euremia. 581 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: Both diseases mimicked morphine poisoning. Both diseases had killed many 582 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: people in the early nineteen hundreds. Would it have been 583 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: impossible that all three died of meningitis in euremia. No, 584 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: it wasn't unbelievable at all. It happened at the turn 585 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: of the century. A lot and three different doctors didn't 586 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: find the Crawford death suspicious until Aunt Mary raised a 587 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: red flag a year later. With Elisa's death as cold 588 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: and aloof as Annie Crawford was. I wonder if it's 589 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: possible that Annie was actually innocent of murdering her parents 590 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: and her sisters. But would jurors in nineteen eleven believe 591 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: that Annie Crawford could be innocent of murder. When jury's 592 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: selection began, Sinclair Adams was very direct to potential jurors. 593 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 3: Saint Clair Adams was talking about will you convict a woman? 594 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 3: Would if you convict a woman, would you convict her 595 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 3: under a charge as that would bring. 596 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 4: The death penalty. 597 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: In the early nineteen hundreds, only men were allowed to 598 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: serve on jury's in Louisiana. Women wouldn't be allowed until 599 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty four. Would an all male jury in New 600 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: Orleans really convict a woman of murder and then sentence 601 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: her to death? The nine final members of the panel 602 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: all replied yes, if the case were convincing, But perhaps 603 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: the bigger question before them was did Annie Crawford even 604 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: commit murder? That answer was much more complicated, and it 605 00:35:53,440 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: still is. On the final episode of this season of 606 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: tenfold War, wicked on exactly right. 607 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 3: They had depicted her in such a fashion that she 608 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 3: was a moral monster, and this stem from also their 609 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 3: depiction of her as being anything but attractive. You know 610 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 3: that no man would possibly look at Anny Crawford more 611 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 3: than once. She was a spinster and an old maid, 612 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 3: even before she was thirty years old. 613 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 2: But these two couldn't stand each other. And what happens 614 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 2: is if the defendant gets on the stand, it's almost 615 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 2: an assured conviction because the prosecution gets free. 616 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: Rate hearing this story, what would you think about her, Nanny. 617 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 4: I'd been kind of afraid of her. 618 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: Luckily you didn't know. 619 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 4: I mean, what would that That would have. 620 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 1: Been a knocked down, drag out fight. When't you think 621 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: I don't know that I'd wanted to move into the 622 00:36:53,760 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: house with her. 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