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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Nora Jones and today I'm playing along with

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Speaker 1: Martha Wainwright. I'm just playing long Wey, I'm just playing

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Speaker 1: lone Wey.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nora Jones. With me as always is Sarah Oda.

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Speaker 4: As always, as always, we have an incredible episode. Today,

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Speaker 4: we have singer, songwriter and somebody that I personally have

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Speaker 4: been a fan of for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Same Martha Wainwright.

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Speaker 4: She is part of the legendary Wainwright mcgarigol music family.

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Speaker 4: She has these deeply personal songs and a very unmistakable,

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Speaker 4: unforgettable voice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Last year, twenty twenty five marked the twentieth anniversary of

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Speaker 4: her self titled debut album. So I've been a fan

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Speaker 4: for twenty years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 1: Those songs meant so much to me back in the

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Speaker 1: living room days. Yeah remember those days.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And they hit so hard.

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Speaker 4: They were just kind of had this intensity that really

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, her songs are her way of performing and.

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Speaker 1: Her lyrics everything is just it just really punches you

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Speaker 1: kind of right in the heart, the gut all over.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: In this episode, you're going to hear about what it

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Speaker 4: was like for her to grow up in a family

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Speaker 4: of musicians. You're gonna hear a little bit about what

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Speaker 4: she did with her time during the pandemic, and as

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Speaker 4: always incredible duets in like a true intense Martha Wayine

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Speaker 1: She's one of my favorite singers. She's inble, she really is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's an incredible soul. It was really fun. So I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this episode with our old pal Martha

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Speaker 1: Wayne Wright. There is some spicy language in this episode,

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Speaker 1: so listener discretion is advised. It's not that bad, but

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Speaker 1: just so you know it's there. How long have we

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Speaker 1: known each other? It's been at least twenty years?

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Speaker 7: Oh no, at least.

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Speaker 2: Because did we first meet through JC?

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Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, and then yeah it was everywhere, yeah,

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Speaker 6: It was all over the place. And also a good

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Speaker 6: friend in common Thomas Bartlett and you know, yeah, I

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Speaker 6: remember you know stuffing that your your promo CDs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because Shelle, of course at.

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Speaker 6: Shell's do you even think about that? And there was

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Speaker 6: and it was amazing to be you know, present at

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Speaker 6: that time. And but beyond that, you know, just clear

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Speaker 6: on how amazing you were, but also how different you

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Speaker 2: Well I felt the same way about you.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, I mean you know, I'm a huge

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Speaker 1: fan from that record. Is it a self teller? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: yea yeah, Martha. What year did that come out?

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Speaker 6: Well, it came out and exactly twenty years ago, in

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Speaker 2: Ago because you were singing those songs.

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Speaker 6: Right, those songs, and it was kind of a long

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Speaker 6: it was sort of like it was like having It

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Speaker 2: It was like having a baby.

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Speaker 2: But I remember seeing you play.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm pretty sure I saw you sing with

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Speaker 2: Wasn't until I really heard your.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love that album and I love those songs. Well,

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Speaker 1: it was really I don't know if I've really ever

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, try try getting a word in. Oh

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Speaker 7: my god, I know those guys. Yeah, I just stay

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Speaker 1: But that album was a huge emotional sort of album.

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Speaker 6: For me.

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Speaker 1: And so when I was listening back to it to

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Speaker 1: it really took me back. Yeah, it was a really

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Speaker 7: That, well, I well, thank you.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I was so caught up and sometimes

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Speaker 7: Or that that kind of.

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Speaker 6: Overrides the fact that the record was actually pretty good

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Speaker 6: really really loved it and I and the songs, and

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Speaker 6: I was like, well, maybe that was the success of it.

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Speaker 6: And I think it was more successful in many ways

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Speaker 7: And then but then you just.

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Speaker 6: Start to as or at least I have, as I've

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Speaker 6: Like, oh, actually, you know, maybe I was. I should

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Speaker 1: Don't you wish you could just take those things off

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Speaker 6: Yes I do, although I do think that, yes I do,

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Speaker 6: I don't really have any regrets in the sense that

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Speaker 6: those things really did also feed the songs, and we're

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Speaker 2: So no, I know what you mean. You know that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's one of my favorite albums from that era.

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Speaker 1: It was like my favorite album for a long time,

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Speaker 1: and it was just a huge part of my life.

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Speaker 2: So you should be proud of it.

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Speaker 7: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I'm proud of it. I'm proud of you.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, we've played a lot together, but I wanted

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Speaker 2: Okay, would that be fun?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Love will be Reborn? Yeah, I love the song.

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Speaker 6: Okay, good good, all right, show Yeah great.

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Speaker 8: I cried really wanted you for us today and now

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Speaker 7: And there's love in every part of me.

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Speaker 9: I know.

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Speaker 10: But the kids fall deep into the snow.

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Speaker 7: Out, we'll find it and.

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Speaker 10: Lock my heart to wine day and Lord.

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Speaker 5: Will be born. Hello, will be.

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Speaker 9: Give me more?

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Speaker 5: I take the throne and throw away the crowd hole.

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Speaker 9: And we flowers in my head.

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Speaker 5: For and the injustices I've heard. I will swallow.

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Speaker 10: And reform the words to birds to undo the sorrow.

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Speaker 11: Hello will be GiB.

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Speaker 8: Oh, no, will be gambo?

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Speaker 5: Can you hear my heart? It's kinding at your name?

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Speaker 9: Can you hear my heart?

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Speaker 5: It's dying? Your flame? Sis gone?

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Speaker 9: It's no longer there?

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Speaker 5: What's fun there? How are you wear? Hello?

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Speaker 12: We'll be heaving, Ah, we'll be.

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Speaker 5: From the roadstally a car normal, everyborne's son I'm trying

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Speaker 5: Going back to the new list, Hello, we'll be bey

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Speaker 5: boy load, we'll be.

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Speaker 7: Well people, A lord.

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Speaker 9: Will be We'll be born?

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Speaker 5: Oh, Lord will be, will be?

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Speaker 2: That was great?

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: I you know I I wrote this song. I had

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Speaker 6: like a classic Martha Waye Night record, like super autobiographical

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Speaker 6: what I mean, but specifically that and you just like

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Speaker 6: I really need to start to become a more a

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Speaker 6: And he's like, yeah, no problem, you know.

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Speaker 7: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, yep, bye, that's beautiful.

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Speaker 6: Where am I coming up with this? And it was

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Speaker 7: So it felt good to sing it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a lot of.

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Speaker 7: It's not self taught, but it was.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, or but but then when you see people who really.

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Speaker 7: I mean that's nice.

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Speaker 6: Well, was interesting growing up with musicians and what I

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Speaker 6: It is one of the reasons I left home. But

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Speaker 7: Can hear and go on.

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Speaker 6: It's like this big voice, and like, what it's such

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Speaker 6: My dad, he just plays the guitar and he really

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Speaker 1: How you come together when you do come together in

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Speaker 6: Well, I think I had to find my way, you know,

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Speaker 1: And you're also the youngest, and I'm the youngest.

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Speaker 6: And so I was like, well, if they're doing if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you definitely are. I have always found you

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Speaker 2: This whole thing.

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Speaker 7: Because he was older, he was at a little older.

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Speaker 7: And I didn't resent it.

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Speaker 6: I kind of loved it because it was like really

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like you fucked it up music musically? Well,

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00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 2: you know what they did your own thing?

450
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I did. I was I realized that I'm I

451
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 6: really want to be a songwriter because with with you know,

452
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 6: with Rick trut Off, he was he had worked collaborating

453
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 6: song writing songs like for Cindy and John with like

454
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 6: five other songwriters like those are They were crafting these

455
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 6: songs that were potentially going to make millions, you know,

456
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 6: and I guess I just wanted to do it my way,

457
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 6: you know, And I felt like, no, this, I wrote

458
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 6: the song, this is what it's going to be. And

459
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 6: it just sort of it was a friendly clash, but

460
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 6: it was sort of like, Okay, I can't. I'm not

461
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 6: going to be the next whatever. I think that's great. Well,

462
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 6: that's very respectable. It feels good now, definitely. You know

463
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 6: at the time I worried about it, but it feels

464
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 6: good now and I'm glad to still be playing shows. Yeah.

465
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: Well the twentieth anniversary has on this song. That was

466
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: when you asked me to take out extra thing, and

467
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: I think I was pretty quick to reply.

468
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 6: It was always so excited about this.

469
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would have done any of the songs

470
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: on that record because I loved it so much. But

471
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: this song is just so emotional for me. Do you

472
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: want to do it?

473
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 6: Yes?

474
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 7: I want you to do it?

475
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 2: You want me to do you want to do it?

476
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 7: I want to do it together, you know.

477
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's find a way to do it together. I

478
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 2: just love this song so much.

479
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 6: You can go right in.

480
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 5: Summoke comes.

481
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 11: Falls away, but the very next day it's see the

482
00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 11: snow comes to stay.

483
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 12: And you too will go to slight the dog days.

484
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 5: Do up one of my head, my gloves, my scarf

485
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 5: to keep the cold.

486
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 10: The boy, but Therono has.

487
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 5: Clos scars for the hard just the cold woman the

488
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 5: least it's frosted.

489
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 8: Boy, don't forgive that I will always love you.

490
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 10: Just a reminder that I help you pave your pathway.

491
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 5: The folly cools loom to its snows, springy rains, summer comes,

492
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 5: and your.

493
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 13: Gold in my silly mine, I of God married to you,

494
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 13: your cross town.

495
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 5: Don't even have a clue.

496
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 14: Are these imagies.

497
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 3: That in ten years out right into you.

498
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 15: And fall right back inside you? Don't get that A

499
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 15: wheel always just a reminder help you pay your pathways.

500
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: Folly cools, The winter snows, spring rains.

501
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 5: Summer comes in. You don't forget that.

502
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 15: I wel always just.

503
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 13: A reminder, help you pay your pathways.

504
00:27:51,440 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: Fall it cools some winters, snows, springy rains, summer comes,

505
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: and new goals.

506
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 5: When will we meet next time?

507
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 3: When whereilly be.

508
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 14: On a platform track in an old Moviecause time.

509
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: Moves in circles and can leave you anywhere. Follied cools,

510
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: The winter snows, spring in raids, summer comes, and.

511
00:28:47,920 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 6: New beautiful thank you it is. It's so this is

512
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 6: a really early song. So it's always a and I'm

513
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 6: sure you had this too. It's a good feeling when

514
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 6: some of those songs that you write when you're a kid.

515
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: Just hold up, you know, yes, agreed, And kids are smart,

516
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: kids are intuitive. Yeah, And I think sometimes it's funny

517
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: as a songwriter, I feel like sometimes you go in

518
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: different paths of trying to get an emotion, but really,

519
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: when you're young, it's just so raw and exposed that

520
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: you can't help it.

521
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

522
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 6: And then you know, this is about you know, leaving

523
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 6: a boyfriend of a long time. Yeah, a long time

524
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 6: being like two years.

525
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, when you're young, that feels like eternity, like.

526
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 7: You know, and so it has this kind of seriousness.

527
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 6: But then of course, you know, you know, saying don't

528
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 6: forget that I will always love you. You know, do

529
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 6: you still love them?

530
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 5: Yes?

531
00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 7: And now yes, and now it did for a long time.

532
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 6: And you know, it's interesting the song actually was you know,

533
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 6: I life really does imitate art, you know, And it

534
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 6: was one of those relationships where you know, he was

535
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 6: my boyfriend.

536
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 7: Then we broke up, but then we just kept on.

537
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 6: For years getting together anyways, just because we had a connection.

538
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, So that's what.

539
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 6: And so that this song applied, and I don't know,

540
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 6: maybe I should. I mean, I'm now happily coupled with

541
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 6: somebody else, so I don't think I should call this person, no, yeah,

542
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 6: to find out Yeah.

543
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: No, that's cool.

544
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: Though.

545
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: I remember being on tour and listening to this album

546
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: so much, and you know how when you're on tour

547
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: you can be lonesome sometimes in your head. And this

548
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: was the first, I feel like it was the first

549
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: or second tour where iPods were a thing, so I

550
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: could travel with all my music in a way that

551
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: I could never before.

552
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: And that was such a special year for me on

553
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: tour listening to music.

554
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: I was like immersed in music, whereas now I'm too distracted,

555
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: even though I have it.

556
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 6: All on it even there it's all on your phone.

557
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: Well, there's too much.

558
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 6: There's too much, and I just kind of want to

559
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 6: go back to that.

560
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 7: I like, yeah original, I have some Yeah, I have.

561
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 6: I have a one an iPod that this great producer

562
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 6: called Hal Wilner, who I'm oh, yeah, you know. He

563
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 6: gave me of what we did a project of PF songs.

564
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 6: He wanted me to learn a bunch of songs, which

565
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 6: I did and I made a record with him, but

566
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 6: he put like two hundred songs on an iPod for me.

567
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 6: And I have that thing that's just like my favorite

568
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 6: thing ever you have it.

569
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: It's still plugs in, and we're still plugs in and work.

570
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 6: That's great.

571
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: Do you ever write in French?

572
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 6: I've written a couple of songs in French, but I

573
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 6: actually wrote a song in French on the piano. And

574
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 6: and the only time I've ever written on the piano

575
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 6: is when I write in French. Because I don't write

576
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 6: songs in French and I don't play the piano, so

577
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 6: I give myself a double.

578
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 9: A double.

579
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 6: You're just making it hard for yourself, just making it

580
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 6: hard of myself.

581
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 7: It sounds French. I sound like I'm in a Trench.

582
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 6: It's too funny.

583
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: Well, but why, I mean, you grew up in Montreal. Yeah, friend,

584
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: you grew I mean we speak.

585
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 6: We spoke English at home, but my French is pretty good.

586
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 6: I went to I would go to school in French

587
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 6: and speak. But I think it doesn't feel like like Well,

588
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 6: I think songwriting is really easier in your first and

589
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 6: your mother tongue, you know what I mean. And I

590
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 6: think also it's French. It's so it's such a difficult

591
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 6: language that you kind of wanted to you want to

592
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 6: be kind of masterful with it. Yeah, although I would

593
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 6: say that my I liked my my one song in French.

594
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 6: I thought it was pretty good, Falaise de mas, which

595
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 6: is cliffs of Pain. I love that rhymes.

596
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: Well you get a whole new rhyme scheme.

597
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 7: Yes, exactly exactly. It's it's fun.

598
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: And I guess I thought in my mind, I thought

599
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: it was more even with English for you growing up.

600
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 6: But no, no, I mean the ideal is to speak both,

601
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 6: you know, fluently, which I can, but one is always

602
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 6: more mother tongue, you know, obviously.

603
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're in Montreal now, I am.

604
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 9: Yeah.

605
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 10: Yeah.

606
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: Is there a scene of music there that you're in

607
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: or are you too busy.

608
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 6: There's a scene?

609
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 5: Well.

610
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 6: I ran a club for a year as a small club,

611
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 6: a little club called Ursa where I was. It was

612
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 6: just it was kind of like the living room was

613
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 6: the first one, and I would would book bands, and

614
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 6: I mean I me and you know, also some people

615
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 6: that I hired to help because it was a lot.

616
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 6: But except me and my partner Nico, we totally did

617
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 6: the place up. And I was at the beginning. I

618
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 6: was there all the time, and you know, cooking food

619
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 6: and serving food and cleaning the toilets, and mopping the food,

620
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 6: doing it all. And then after I was like and

621
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 6: and but the main thing that I did there is

622
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 6: that that the pandemic hit after about a year after

623
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 6: we opened, and that was really devastating.

624
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 7: But I was also kind of like, I was really tired,

625
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 7: as I kind of believed to be.

626
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I needed a break. And all these kids parents,

627
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 6: you know, there was nowhere for their kids to go

628
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 6: in the summer because all the camps were closed. So

629
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 6: I started a camp, my kids camp. We were mostly

630
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 6: outside in the park because you know, because of COVID,

631
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 6: but we were also inside sometimes and I would teach

632
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 6: them music and then I would hire you know, some

633
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 6: other people. I couldn't do it all day long, so

634
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 6: they would do other things, go to the park and

635
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 6: have some physical activities and do some you know, tied

636
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 6: I do whatever, all sorts of things. But I would

637
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 6: do in about two hours.

638
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 7: Of music a day, and I really enjoyed it, and

639
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 7: I've kept that going. I have a choir small children, really,

640
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 7: oh the littles, the little ones.

641
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: It's really hard to find that for kids because I

642
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: grew up in a church choir, and I was trying

643
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: to find a choir.

644
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: For my kids.

645
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: That was, you know, when they were under six and

646
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: it was impossible to find.

647
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 6: So the kids that I have are four and a

648
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 6: half to they range four and a half to twelve.

649
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 7: But you know, I'm not a choir master.

650
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 6: So I I you know at all, but I know

651
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 6: some songs and I like to sing, so I either

652
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 6: use a guitar or else. I also have a friend

653
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 6: of mine who was a worked as a piano player

654
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 6: and a real choir who can really help with you know,

655
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 6: do all the vocal exercizes and everything and have a

656
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 6: seriousness to it. And then I can just sort of

657
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 6: be like, let's do let's do David Bow whatever.

658
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's Brad. I wish I wish we were

659
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: in the same city. I would listen.

660
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, I might need you to like take over on Mondays. Yeah,

661
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 7: I would do it.

662
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: I grew up in choir and I feel like it's

663
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: a real thing that not everybody shares who sings, right,

664
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: And did you sing in choirs or was it more

665
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: of a family.

666
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 6: Only at school?

667
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

668
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 6: But I think what I what it was that I

669
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 6: was trying to get my kids to to sing, and

670
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 6: so I started these choirs but now, like my eleven

671
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 6: year old has absolutely zero interest, even though a bunch

672
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 6: of his friends are and he's like, yeah, it's a

673
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 6: nightmare to him.

674
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: But do you think he's secretly writing songs in his room?

675
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 6: M I guess you don't know.

676
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 7: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Well I'll find out.

677
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, my kids are They might they pretend they're not

678
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: interested either. Oh yeah, but maybe they're really maybe yeah,

679
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: maybe they're really not.

680
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 6: I can't tell either.

681
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: I can't either. You want to do a song from

682
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: your last album?

683
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: Maybe?

684
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Body and Soul.

685
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, let's do that.

686
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: This is from it came out like last year.

687
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 6: Yeah it can, okay, a little bit, a little bit

688
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 6: before a few years ago. It takes me a while

689
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 6: to put out records because because I tour a lot.

690
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 6: But also you know, I always say, like twelve or

691
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 6: plus Martha Way Night.

692
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 7: Songs is a lot.

693
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 6: We don't need that every year, like in the sense

694
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 6: that they're very intense. You know, they're in intense songs.

695
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: They are intense songs.

696
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, But do you feel like that's all you got

697
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: is every few years a collection or do you have

698
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that ends up not coming up.

699
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: No, don't.

700
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 6: I mean I have like bits that I that don't

701
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 6: end up being worked on.

702
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 7: But no, I don't.

703
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: I don't.

704
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 6: I don't have a good discipline. I don't write every day,

705
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 6: so I don't have a stack of songs. But there

706
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 6: maybe that's why some of them are kind of intense,

707
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 6: because it seems like all that energy is going into one. Yeah.

708
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 6: Do you sing every day only when working on the road,

709
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 6: which I end up singing every day because I work

710
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 6: a lot.

711
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean when you're home not working. No, yeah,

712
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: I mean either No, I don't.

713
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't touch anything and I don't play an instrument either,

714
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: And I feel I forget to sing.

715
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 6: I feel really bad about and what I end up

716
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 6: getting really and sie like I'm not touring and I'm

717
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 6: just at home for several months, you know, taking care

718
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 6: of the kids are and doing life stuff. Then I

719
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 6: I start to get kind of like nervous, and then

720
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 6: I realize, oh my god, I haven't I'm not practicing,

721
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,959
Speaker 6: I haven't been a song. I'm not saying I'm playing.

722
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 6: So I say, Okay, this is crazy, and I I

723
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 6: actually I because I have such a hard time I

724
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 6: writing at home because then you're like looking at the

725
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 6: piles of laundry or the females that need to get

726
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 6: done or whatever. So I started renting a cabin and

727
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 6: up in Woodstock just to kind of get away. And

728
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 6: I'll go there for like three or four days.

729
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool.

730
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 6: Just try and do like five six hours a day,

731
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 6: just a guitar, like, no recording devices, like just to

732
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 6: write and just pay yeah. Yeah, piece of pencil and pen. Wow,

733
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 6: pencil and pen, pencil and paper and you know, voice

734
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 6: memo if you be. But that's cool.

735
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: It's good that you have that. It's sort of yeah,

736
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: it's easy to forget. I forgot to sing to my

737
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 2: children when they were little babies. My mom was like,

738
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: what are you singing them to sleep? And I was like,

739
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I forgot to sing, and I'm so tired.

740
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: I just I'm not singing.

741
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 7: And I my kind of liked singing.

742
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 6: He was okay with it. But my youngest I remember

743
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 6: I was holding the baby in my arms, you know,

744
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 6: and I'm like, you know, of like this looking down

745
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 6: in the singing, you know, a little lullaby, humming something,

746
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 6: and his little hand came up and put it on my.

747
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 7: Mouth like shut, and I was like, okay, he's.

748
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: A black cheep.

749
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's definitely not into his beautiful little hand coming

750
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 6: towards him and right on my lips like stop message receieve.

751
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: That's too funny.

752
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 16: Yeah.

753
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll sing around the house, maybe because I'm trying

754
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: to learn something, because usually I don't, but and my

755
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: kids will be like, mommy stops singing. I was like, man, fully,

756
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: you knew exactly this should be cool for people.

757
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 9: Some people pay me to do this.

758
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: Damn it.

759
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 6: Do you want to go camp?

760
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: Do you want to go to camp?

761
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 5: Now?

762
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: They don't never want to go to camp.

763
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 6: Oh my god, you're gonna have to send them to camp.

764
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 7: Don't let mom work. You have to work at camp.

765
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: I will sing.

766
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 7: Got to tune this down?

767
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: Oh do you use an open tuning on it?

768
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 6: It's a kind of a fake open to me. Yeah,

769
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 6: I turn.

770
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 7: I dropped the E down to a D.

771
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 6: That's an ease, go down to a D.

772
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 16: Nice, Run into the chapel, Light up every candle.

773
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 7: Oh, I've thought Monday's a saying God please?

774
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 11: What can I do?

775
00:40:53,960 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 10: Ninety seconds later, ends round my nicker. I'm playing aromantic.

776
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 10: Your hander.

777
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 9: What can I do.

778
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 5: I'm gonna lead hood in the villa. I'm gonta lead,

779
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 5: holding the villagical. They asked me if you cause the

780
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 5: fall in sea, tell them my dream.

781
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: You lie in.

782
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 5: You're dying.

783
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 7: I'm holding your head.

784
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 5: But I want to let cool.

785
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 11: Clay.

786
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 5: I'm screaming man. My fingers are sniper. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

787
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 5: yeah and yeah. I want to let go.

788
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 7: From my variance.

789
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 5: I'm on my valiant Cello.

790
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 6: Dainty days later.

791
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, run into the chapel. Yeah, I cannot take the

792
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 5: can I take the kid's shoes. I'm leaving the blue.

793
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 5: I change my locks of change my boom.

794
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 6: I'm leaving at a slow mood.

795
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 5: I studied small again. I had another dream. Ok, s,

796
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 5: we're touching. I'm touching you, you're touching me. I'm touching.

797
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 5: I'm touching you. I'm touching you. I'm touching. Oh, I'm leading.

798
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 5: I'm screaming head.

799
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 16: Oh.

800
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,479
Speaker 6: My fingers are.

801
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 5: Say yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah yeah yeah Oh.

802
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 6: I want to let.

803
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 5: Whoa whoa oh yeah my biens, yeah, myce don't fuck

804
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 5: my gins. You can take my money, take my house,

805
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 5: you can take my honey. You ain't an inch. Got

806
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 5: some mighty punishment. I am so song song song, I

807
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 5: got my back door funck with my kids.

808
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 10: You can take my money, you can take on my house,

809
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 10: you can take my honey.

810
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 5: You ain't a inch, but mighty punishment. Whoa my audience,

811
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 5: oh so so so so.

812
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, so.

813
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, I mean, it's not easy song, but it's fun.

814
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: It's not an easy song, but it's actually kind of

815
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: a free song. It's very free, super free.

816
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 14: It's hard.

817
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 6: I was as I was going, I was like, oh,

818
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 6: I definitely don't play these songs, especially that one, like

819
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 6: they are exactly on the record, because it was really

820
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 6: like a performance.

821
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 2: It was yeah, yeah, it's definitely a performance.

822
00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 6: You can hear you know it was.

823
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 5: Yeah.

824
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 7: So it's more that kind of like will I.

825
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: Think I found you? I think I found it. But

826
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: what a great song? Thank you? Yeah, I love this one.

827
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: It's a journey. It is a journey, it really is.

828
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 6: It is a journey.

829
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: And and I love the way it.

830
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: Ends too, yes, exactly with my kids to take my money.

831
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: I love that part.

832
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 8: Yeah.

833
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's you know, it's it's personal song, but

834
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 6: it's also a little bit on the extreme side. You know,

835
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 6: I think you know, it's sort of references maybe some

836
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 6: you know, aspects of abuse, you know, and I and

837
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 6: so I don't I always worry that people think that I,

838
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 6: you know, that I'm saying something, that I'm that I'm

839
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 6: revealing something.

840
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 7: But that's that's it's not exactly the case.

841
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 6: But I did definitely, you know, I think all of us,

842
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 6: not all of us, but sometimes I have had this

843
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 6: feeling like maybe I was more of a victim than

844
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 6: I really realized in some ways or something, you know,

845
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 6: But then also trying to you know, don't do that,

846
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 6: you know, like you know, take control of the situation.

847
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think this is the time in

848
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: our lives where we all are realizing that stuff, right, Yeah, yeah,

849
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: especially raising kids and seeing things through different eyes, you know.

850
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

851
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: Well it's a deep song and it's it's intense, and

852
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: I love it all good.

853
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: I love it.

854
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,959
Speaker 1: I think it's funny what you said about Martha Wayne.

855
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 1: Some right, songs are intense and you can only handle

856
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: twelve every.

857
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 6: Few yeah, exactly, these records like every year. You'd be like,

858
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 6: I don't know about that.

859
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 17: I don't know.

860
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: It feels pretty good to hear it.

861
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 7: Oh well, good, Well, thanks you know, and you know,

862
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 7: I have to.

863
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 6: I tour a lot and I play a lot because

864
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 6: it's all these are kind of also songs that you

865
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 6: go out to see live.

866
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: Too, you know, very live songs.

867
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 6: So it's not always like you know, they're not like

868
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 6: tune it on in the radio and you have it

869
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 6: in the background, you know what I mean. These are

870
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 6: those kinds of albums where it is kind of a

871
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 6: little bit more, you know, of an emotional journey and

872
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 6: that that is really oftentimes like really, although I love recording,

873
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 6: you know, and I have fun with it, but I

874
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 6: really we get down to the to the to the

875
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 6: nitty gritty when we're when when I'm on the road,

876
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 6: and also it's fun just playing them on the guitar

877
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 6: because they're all written this way. But oftentimes, you know,

878
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 6: not often, but sometimes I have musicians and you know,

879
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 6: on the records, there's backups and there's sounds and there's

880
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 6: and it's fun and it's great, but I that's not

881
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 6: how they are written, and it's certainly not always how

882
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 6: they're performed.

883
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: Do you do a lot of covers?

884
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 6: I do, I doff, Yeah, I did the PF stuff.

885
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 6: Right now, I'm working with with this woman named Karen

886
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 6: Hopkins who used to run Bamka and she is a huge.

887
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 7: Laura Niro fan.

888
00:48:59,280 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 3: Oh I love.

889
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 6: And she's been for ten years trying to get me

890
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 6: to sing Laura Niro and I would we would be

891
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 6: out in Montaka Rufus's house at dinner and she'd be like, Martha,

892
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 6: you have to sing Laureniro and I would just kind

893
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 6: of roll my eyes and get another like why can't

894
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 6: she book me?

895
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 7: Like you know, And she finally convinced me to.

896
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 6: Do it after years of kind of badgering me about it,

897
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 6: and I started listening to the music and it's really

898
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 6: fucking hard.

899
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: It's really hard, really hard.

900
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 6: It's really hard to sing.

901
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 7: I'm not playing the piano. I'm just singing.

902
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 6: Thomas Bartlet's playing the piano, and we're trying to become one,

903
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 6: you know, because the piano is such an important part

904
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 6: of it. But that's really hard, and it's it's kicking

905
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 6: me in the ass. So you doing like a whole

906
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 6: show of all her We're doing ten songs. It's like,

907
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 6: like Martha's songs, you don't.

908
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 7: Want more than ten. I'm like, Oh, they're intense, and

909
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 7: her vocal range is crazy.

910
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 6: Some of them you just want to do exactly as

911
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 6: she did them because you're like, how could you even

912
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 6: do this differently? And then the other ones are like,

913
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 6: let's let's change the feel on this a bit, but

914
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 6: I'm going to need vocal rest. I got to need

915
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 6: But that's gonna that's gonna be like a run, you know,

916
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 6: which I'm also sometimes excited about. I played Vegas recently

917
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 6: for the first time, and I was kind of like,

918
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 6: I did not like Vegas per se, but I was like,

919
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 6: you can kind of see why people could want to

920
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 6: do like a nightly show. Yeah, you can just do it.

921
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: You just do it, hit the tables out exactly. Yeah,

922
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 2: that's that. I don't know if I could do that.

923
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 7: But do you ever do runs like three nights.

924
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: Or I mean, anytime I do a gig in New York.

925
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: I used to do so many bars, you know, with

926
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: all our mutuals and like, and I feel like now

927
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just tired every night, and when.

928
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: I'm home, I just want to go to bed.

929
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then we're in New York City and I

930
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: could have a gig every week maybe or a few

931
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: nights a week, and then that just like gets me stressed,

932
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: right right, but.

933
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: Being on the road someday o, no, it makes it much.

934
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: You're in that, thanks, so yeah. Do you do a

935
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: lot of local gigs in Montreal?

936
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 3: No?

937
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: Never, right, no, yeah, okay, hell yeah, it's just like

938
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: then you're actually feeding the kids dinner and having that

939
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: exactly exactly instead of just being gig mode exactly.

940
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 5: Yeah.

941
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird. It's a weird double life. Well, thanks

942
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: for joining me. Yeah, thank you so much.

943
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 2: Do you want to do one more song?

944
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 3: Sure?

945
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we had talked about doing Talk to Me of Mendocino.

946
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 6: Yes, oh my god, I'm gonna put this guitar dow.

947
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, this is your mother's song, this is.

948
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 7: This is my mom's song. But also you sang this song.

949
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 6: Yeah when we did when when when my mom died

950
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 6: fifteen years ago, Rufus and I did a couple of

951
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 6: concerts and had the most incredible singers singing these incredible songs,

952
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 6: and you sang this song, and it just it made

953
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 6: it easier, you know, and to see her music go

954
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 6: on and to have you seen it was just like

955
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 6: really really really moving. So thank you for doing that.

956
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's a beautiful song, and I was

957
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: honored to be asked.

958
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 2: I grew up with this son.

959
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I already loved it, yeah, before I

960
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: met all of you, which is also special to me,

961
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: and then getting to meet your mom at those few shows,

962
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: you know, And she she told me she wished her

963
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: name was.

964
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 7: Noura, that's right, which was so cute.

965
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: She grew up that way, so she.

966
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 6: When she was she was a bit of a naughty child.

967
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 6: I think they called it Saint Vita's dance. Sounds like

968
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 6: she had eighty h J but they called it Saint

969
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 6: Vita's dance and the nuns did, so she was she

970
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 6: was a rascal or whatever. But she always wanted to

971
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 6: be named Nora.

972
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 7: Her name was Kate, and.

973
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 6: My grandmother, her mom, Yeah, babe, say now if you

974
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 6: are good, you can be Nora. So she had this

975
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 6: alter ego where she was a good child, like a nice,

976
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 6: sweet child, and then they would call her Nora.

977
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 7: I'd be like, now we want.

978
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 6: To talk to Nora, now, you know. And then that's

979
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 6: how she was able to be Nora, that's by being

980
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 6: good and Kate was bad. Her first some deep psychological

981
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 6: and the emails was her was Nora Wanna Bay. She

982
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 6: told me that, and that made me laugh so much.

983
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 6: It was so sweet.

984
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: Do you do her music?

985
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 3: Ever?

986
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 7: When you're I do nightly almost.

987
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 6: It seems silly for me to be up on stage

988
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 6: and not do a Kate Nana song because I can,

989
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 6: you know, because they're just so great. Yeah, So I'm like,

990
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 6: why wouldn't I? But it must be a nice connection,

991
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 6: of course. Now she's just that's treat. It's a way

992
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 6: to feel a little closer to her, but also to also.

993
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 7: Just celebrate her, and then the two of them is beautiful.

994
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 5: I bid farewell to the state of all.

995
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 9: New York, my home away from home, the state of

996
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 9: New York.

997
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 5: I came late.

998
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 18: When first I started and roaming, And the trees grew

999
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 18: high in New York State.

1000
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 5: And they shine like gold, and A.

1001
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 2: Never had the blue news from when I came. But

1002
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 2: in New York State, I call him.

1003
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 5: Talk to me.

1004
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 13: Mensino, closing my eyes eye.

1005
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 19: The sea, musty wait, mustaye follow, won't you say?

1006
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 16: Come with me?

1007
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 17: And it's on the South Bendiana fly out, on the

1008
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 17: Western Place, rise up o Rockies and down into California.

1009
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 3: Out to Way.

1010
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 9: But the Rocks remain.

1011
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 5: Let the sun set on the ocean, I will watch

1012
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 5: it from show. Let the sunrise o The DWAs.

1013
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 20: I'll rise with it till I rise no more. Talk

1014
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 20: to me, Men's seal.

1015
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 5: Closing my.

1016
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 3: I the sea?

1017
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 5: Must I wait?

1018
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 19: Must I follow?

1019
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 5: Won't you say.

1020
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 16: Come with me?

1021
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 9: Won't you say.

1022
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 5: Come with me?

1023
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 9: You say.

1024
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 5: Come with me?

1025
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 6: Beautiful?

1026
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,479
Speaker 1: I might have cried a little on the inside. God, good,

1027
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: love you very much. I love you too, and thank

1028
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: you so much. Yeah, I don't have you here again? Well,

1029
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: right back at you.

1030
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 5: Yay yay.

1031
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: Oh that was so nice, so nice to see her

1032
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: and sing with her. So amazing.

1033
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, goose bumpy, Yeah, she's the best. If you want

1034
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: to know the songs we played in this episode, the

1035
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: first one was Love Will Be Reborn from the album

1036
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: Love Will Be Reborn in twenty twenty one. It's the

1037
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: second song, one of my personal faves, was Don't Forget

1038
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: from her album self titled Martha.

1039
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: Wainwright, which was released in two thousand and five.

1040
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: The third song is Body and Soul from lovell B

1041
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: We're Born as well twenty twenty one. The fourth song,

1042
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: another one of my favorite songs of all time, was

1043
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: Talk to Me of Mendocino, which was written by her

1044
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: mother Kate McGarrigle and released on Kate and Anna McGarrigle

1045
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: self titled album from nineteen seventy five. It was also

1046
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: recorded and released by Linda Ronstadt on Heartle Like a Wheel,

1047
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: which was released in nineteen seventy four. Special thanks to

1048
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: Martha Wainwright for joining us today and We'll be back

1049
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: next week with the War Entreaty. Nora Jones is playing

1050
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: along as a production of iHeart Podcasts. Visit Nora Jones

1051
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: channel and be sure to subscribe while you're there. I'm

1052
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: your host, Nora Jones. Recorded by Marinelli, mixed by Jamie Landry.

1053
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: Audio post production and mastering by Greg Tobler. Artwork by

1054
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: Eliza Frye. Photography by Shervin Linez. Produced by Norah Jones

1055
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: and Sarah Oda. Executive producers Aaron Wan Kaufman and Jordan

1056
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: Runtagg Marketing Lead Queen and Akey.

1057
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, See you later.