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Speaker 1: On our most recent episode of Cardinals Territory, Bernie took

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Speaker 1: an oath to be even keeled and level headed no

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Speaker 1: matter what happened in the next couple of weeks with

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Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals, after they spent the weekend with

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Speaker 1: their most dominating series sweep their series win of the

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Speaker 1: season in my opinion, over the Cleveland Guardians.

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Speaker 2: They came to Pittsburgh and Bernie, you said, no matter.

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Speaker 1: What happens, I'm not gonna I'm gonna try not to overreact.

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Speaker 1: And the Cardinals must have heard you and took that personally,

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Speaker 1: because not only swept by the Pirates, they did not

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Speaker 1: score one single run over the last three days in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: It was not fun. Morale pretty low right now, Bernie,

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Speaker 2: what are you thinking?

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I'm thinking with the attitude I'm

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Speaker 3: going to have on this edition of Cardinal Territory, that

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Speaker 3: all of the people you're subscribers that say, oh, I'm

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Speaker 3: so glad you have Bernie on there, You're probably going

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Speaker 3: to get a different kind of opinions because I'm actually

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Speaker 3: really cool headed about this. You know this, this team,

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Speaker 3: you know, has played fifteen games in the last fourteen

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Speaker 3: days and they won nine out of the They went

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Speaker 3: nine and six. I realized that the Pirates made them

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Speaker 3: look really, really bad. There's no excuse excusing the offensive

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Speaker 3: performance in particular. But this Pirates team actually destroyed a

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Speaker 3: Mets team that has the three hundred and thirty million

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Speaker 3: dollar payroll in the three games before the Cardinals came

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Speaker 3: to town. So even though the Cardinals have lost five

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Speaker 3: out of eight, I mean, we can parse this.

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Speaker 4: Any way you want. I mean, their overall.

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Speaker 3: Trend is good, but the offense is almost hopelessly inconsistent.

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Speaker 3: And that's a fact more than an opinion. And they're

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Speaker 3: a beat up team right now. And I know a

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Speaker 3: lot of fans, Katie, and it's okay, man, People can

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Speaker 3: can can you know, believe what they want to believe.

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Speaker 4: They don't want to hear about the tough schedule.

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Speaker 3: They don't want to hear about players being banged up,

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Speaker 3: and it is true that that's the reality for all teams.

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Speaker 3: But I think the Cardinals went into Pittsburgh at a

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Speaker 3: bad time because the Pirates, in case people haven't noticed,

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Speaker 3: and by the way, I don't think a lot of

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Speaker 3: people have noticed because when km Wax the other day,

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Speaker 3: we had people, you know, commenting, it's.

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Speaker 4: Like, well, you know, they're ownly going to play the Pirates.

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Speaker 4: The Pirates. The Pirates are.

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Speaker 3: Like twenty three and seventeen since May twenty They're actually

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Speaker 3: a really good club right now. So no, the sky

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Speaker 3: is not falling, but I wish they would stop getting

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Speaker 3: shut out.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think two things can be true here. One,

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Speaker 1: the Pirates can be on a heater. They just won

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Speaker 1: six straight. They've looked really good against the Mets, they

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Speaker 1: looked really good obviously against Saint Louis. And another thing

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Speaker 1: that could be true is that the Cardinals are banged up.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that later in the show. And they

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Speaker 1: didn't play well this series at all. I mean, they've

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Speaker 1: pitched well to out of three games. Onder Tante was fantastic,

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Speaker 1: Sonny Gray good start up until the end. And you

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Speaker 1: know what, talks to Brendan Donovan after the game, and

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Speaker 1: here's what he said, And it was as simple as

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Speaker 1: it gets. He said, we sucked, we didn't score any runs.

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Speaker 1: We're on to Chicago. That's all I got. And of

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Speaker 1: course he expanded past that, but I thought that was

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Speaker 1: a very appointment and to the point opening statement. They

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Speaker 1: sucked in Pittsburgh. They did not score any runs. It

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Speaker 1: was maddening, it was frustrating. They were without Olonarnado for

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Speaker 1: no Lar's Newt Bar for a game. That were lying

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Speaker 1: on a bunch of guys right now that don't have

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Speaker 1: a lot of pop, and they just got out played.

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Speaker 2: So what do you do? You flush it, because if

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Speaker 2: you dwell on this series.

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Speaker 1: For as good as the Cleveland one was, the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: pretty bad, you have a super important series ahead starting Friday.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you, though, Bernnie, these guys are absolutely meeting

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Speaker 1: that off day on Thursday. But I'm with Donnie. They

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Speaker 4: On, and they've they've gone through this speed four. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they were. They were really bad early in the season.

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Speaker 3: They lost a bunch of games in a short stretch.

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Speaker 3: They had that six or seven game losing streak. When

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Speaker 3: was that late May early June. I guess the Cardinals

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Speaker 3: have been you know, in the in the gutter a

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Speaker 3: I'm going to assume that they're going to respond again,

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Speaker 3: because there is a tenacity this team that I admire

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Speaker 3: and that doesn't go away because they got their rear

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Speaker 3: I realized nobody wants to hear this.

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Speaker 4: It was a three and three road trip.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, but yeah, I will say this though,

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Speaker 3: getting shut out in you know, five of your last

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Speaker 4: I had a note that I put on X I.

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Speaker 3: Fed some red meat to the people's The two thousand

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Speaker 3: and four Cardinals team got shut out four times in

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Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty two games. This Cardinals team just

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Speaker 3: got shut out five times in a week. But that

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Speaker 3: That's the difference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, it was pointed out to me

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Speaker 1: missed the Cleveland series. He said, Katie, did you know

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Speaker 1: and that's maybe the most depressing stat I've heard all week.

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Speaker 1: And we joked about this, Bernie, we joked about it.

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Speaker 1: I said, the Cardinals always play well on the road

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Speaker 1: on the trips. I'm not there, And I jokingly said,

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Speaker 1: I did not think this was actually going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Watch him get swupped by the Pirates. I didn't think

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Speaker 2: that was a legit possibility.

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Speaker 1: I also thought they would score more than one singular

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Speaker 2: So bad series. I thought their.

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Speaker 1: Overall approach was fine given who they lacked in the lineup.

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Speaker 1: They did hit a lot of balls, they put a

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Speaker 1: so that's not going to play. But I didn't think

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Speaker 1: you know. I thought they were more or less the

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Speaker 1: same hitters. They just were missing three of their best hitters.

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Speaker 1: So not great. Not a good top series for Donovan

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Speaker 2: So jac is going through it right now, Gorman coming

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what can he do?

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Speaker 2: You move on?

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Speaker 3: You know, And and again my point isn't like pick

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Speaker 3: game seven for his last forty nine. Berlasen went into

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Speaker 3: this game five for his last thirty six. Contreras, his

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Speaker 3: numbers are down for the season. You know he'll be

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Speaker 3: on a He's on a pace to have like his

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Speaker 3: worst full season offensively since twenty eighteen. He's still a

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Speaker 3: good hitter though, don't get me wrong. You know we

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Speaker 3: all wanted to Jayce up here and again not dumping

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Speaker 3: had some notes here and I don't want to go

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Speaker 4: So my point is these are the guys.

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Speaker 3: That the Cardinals really need to lean on to come through,

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Speaker 3: and when they were going well, these guys were coming

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Speaker 4: But it just shows you.

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Speaker 3: Like the talent level, I'll say this, The talent level

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Speaker 4: It really is.

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Speaker 3: And this was a time where you mentioned a Kay

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Speaker 3: Contreras and Newt Bar and who else? Arnatto banged up,

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Speaker 3: and then on top of that, you have three guys

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Speaker 3: That's a recipe for an offensive disaster, I would say.

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Speaker 1: And we saw it, but I'm with the guys that

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Speaker 1: it was obviously very quiet in the Cardinals clubhouse post game,

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Speaker 1: but I believe the sentiment is, hey, all year long,

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Speaker 1: we've been a very resilient club.

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Speaker 2: Let's keep that up.

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Speaker 1: Take the off day everyone needs it, and try again

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Speaker 1: All right, let's start with our Cardinals injury report. A

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Speaker 1: lot of guys going through it right now. Of our's

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Speaker 1: but definitely not one hundred percent. Nolan Aronado has a

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Speaker 1: on an infield single. Over the weekend in Cleveland, try

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Speaker 1: he was in the lineup to play third base on Monday,

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Speaker 1: His finger was in a little uh soft cast, and

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday he was just a no go. He couldn't

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Speaker 4: He's so much fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm already unstable enough, and then you're throw them

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Speaker 4: You know, the Cardinals aren't a roll and it's like, oh, man,

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Speaker 4: You know, it's like the Cardinals are a big time

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Speaker 2: They get cold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are. They are, Bernie, So just get used

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Speaker 4: It's not no, it's this is all part of the drama.

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Speaker 4: Could have envision right.

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Speaker 3: There's six games over five hundred. I mean I would

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Speaker 4: I think the answer would be, well, heck.

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Speaker 1: All right, to the friendly confines of Eurglyfield, we go.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals have set their probables. It will be everyone

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Speaker 1: on turn. Miles michaelis on Friday, Matthew libertore on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: and the club is planning to start Eric Fetti on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: despite two really horrible starts by Fetti. Now here's one

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Speaker 1: thing that I do know. Miles Michael's pitching on the

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Speaker 1: fourth of July. Just I feel like set something up.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like that's gonna be a good outing

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Speaker 1: for him. I sometimes the storylines right themselves, so for

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Speaker 1: Cardinals fans, maybe that will help.

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Speaker 2: Libby has looked fine. He looks really good actually, and

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Speaker 2: Eric Fetty.

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Speaker 1: I do wonder if the Cardinals can get some length

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Speaker 1: out of Miles and Libby and leave the bullpen in

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Speaker 1: a good place. I don't think they'll go full full

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Speaker 1: bullpen game on Sunday, but I wonder if that would

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Speaker 1: change how Fetti is being used, because he is just

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Speaker 1: so predictable right now. He's getting hit so hard that

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Speaker 1: Cutter especially. I do wonder, Bernie, if the Cardinals could

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Speaker 1: do maybe a short leach with Eric Fetty and if

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have it early, just go all hands on

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Speaker 1: deck with the bullpen, especially knowing they have the off

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Speaker 1: day again on Monday, they're.

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Speaker 4: Gonna have to do that. I mean, look, Fetti's a

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Speaker 4: nice guy.

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Speaker 3: Nobody feels worse than him, and he's also got a

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Speaker 3: lot at stake personally because he's going to be a

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Speaker 3: free eight.

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Speaker 4: But it's just not there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and really, he's been getting away with a

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Speaker 3: lot of stuff all year, you know where you know

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Speaker 3: his stuff is simply not that good.

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Speaker 4: Every metric will tell you that. So yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 3: There's got to be a little more urgency in this series,

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Speaker 3: not only because you're playing the Cubs and you don't

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Speaker 3: want to let them like run away from you. But also,

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Speaker 3: just coming off this clunker of a series in Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 3: I mean, pardon the cliche, but the Cardinals have to

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Speaker 3: make some sort of statement at Wrigley Field that says, no,

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Speaker 3: we're still here, We're not going anywhere. But I think

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Speaker 3: Ali is going to have to manage accordingly, you know,

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Speaker 3: be really aggressive and really proactive, and manage with a

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Speaker 3: very strong.

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Speaker 4: Sense of of urgency. Sorry, i'm stammering today, so.

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Speaker 2: Because you know, we've all lost brain cells over the

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Speaker 2: last three days.

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Speaker 4: That's right. I haven't even had a cocktail yet. I'm

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Speaker 4: already stammering.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, well on my way to the airports.

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Speaker 1: About change, No, you know, I think you're right, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's something the Cardinals are weighing. Look, Eric

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Speaker 1: Fetty was as honest as you could be after a

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Speaker 1: Monday start where he said, I'm just getting really predictable.

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Speaker 1: I'm leaving a lot of pitches up. When Eric Fetti's

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Speaker 1: at his best, he's low in the zone, getting weak contact.

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Speaker 2: We know this. He's the same ground ball prototype of

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Speaker 2: a lot of guys on this staff. You don't have.

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Speaker 1: Success as a ground ball pitcher, if you leave pitches

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Speaker 1: up in the zone, they get crushed. And he started

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Speaker 1: doing that in the last two starts. And yes, there's

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Speaker 1: expected numbers predicted that something like this, not to this magnitude,

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Speaker 1: but better or worse than what he was doing was

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Speaker 1: on the horizon.

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Speaker 2: And I think there's a certain level of.

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Speaker 1: Skill if you're Eric Fetty that allows you to keep

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Speaker 1: those expected numbers the way they are and your actual

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Speaker 1: numbers lower. But lately, and this is why both outings,

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Speaker 1: things filed on him so quickly. He just started leading

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Speaker 1: pitches up in the zone and could not pinpoint the

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Speaker 1: location of the cutter specifically. He said, I was getting predictable.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting thigh high middle middle, like those are not

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Speaker 1: competitive pitches, and they were not. So that's the key

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Speaker 1: for Fetti is to clean that up, get back low

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Speaker 1: in the zone where he lives, spike the ball in

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Speaker 1: the dirt.

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Speaker 2: Anything is better than thigh high, middle middle.

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Speaker 1: And if he starts showing that against this potent Cubs

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Speaker 1: offense at Wrigley Field on Sunday Night baseball, we all

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Speaker 1: know the balls are inconsistent. You know, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: out and publicly stating that, but expect, especially if the

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Speaker 1: wind is like blowing out, that's going to be a

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Speaker 1: really poor recipe for success.

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Speaker 2: So I would expect.

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Speaker 1: My speculation is it's short leashed for Eric Fetti if

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals can get there, Miles and Letvey have to

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Speaker 1: you know, go along post in order for even that

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Speaker 1: to be a possibility.

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Speaker 3: You know, I have to say, you know, in all

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Speaker 3: candor real quick, you know, it doesn't exactly fill your heart,

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Speaker 3: our heart, my heart with optimism when two of the

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Speaker 3: three games are being started by on Michaelisenfetti. However, however,

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Speaker 3: the Cups are kind of a weird team. They are

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Speaker 3: much much better offensively on the road than they are

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Speaker 3: at Wrigley Field.

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Speaker 2: That's strange ballpark to hit at.

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Speaker 3: And it's true the numbers are conclusive, and yeah when

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Speaker 3: the wind's blowing out, but the wind doesn't blow out

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Speaker 3: as often as it used to back in the olden

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Speaker 3: days because of maybe all that construction around the ballpark.

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Speaker 3: But so famous last words, but I actually think maybe

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Speaker 3: you know, pitching at Wrigley Field for those for those guys,

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know why the Cubs underperform there,

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Speaker 3: and it could change at anytime, but who knows. You know,

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Speaker 3: that's a good way to win two out of three.

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Speaker 3: You surprise them with Michaelsenfetti exceeding expectations.

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Speaker 4: But I ain't gonna lie. I don't have high hopes.

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Speaker 1: This is not the series to come into with optimism

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Speaker 1: after what we saw Cardinals fans, so I do understand.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, let's all take a mental reset.

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Speaker 1: We'll go into the off day. Everyone, like I said,

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Speaker 1: everyone needs it, including me. I can't wait, and you know,

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Speaker 1: hopefully we'll have a very fun holiday weekend in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: A short one for you guys today at Cardinal Territory,

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Speaker 1: but I very much have to catch this flight. We

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Speaker 1: will have Michael mcgreeby on the show Friday's episode. Yes,

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Speaker 1: as we know pro Michael McGreevy podcast, he will make

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Speaker 1: his Cardinal Territory debut. He just threw six shut out

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Speaker 1: I means from Memphis on Tuesday in Nashville, and he

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Speaker 1: is the first player ever. When I asked if he

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Speaker 1: would like to do his podcast to reply, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: would be sick.

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Speaker 4: I was like, that's a good thing, right.

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Speaker 1: Usually it's like yeah, I guess, so I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to say that maybe he's really excited about it. So

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Speaker 1: we'll see and then Bernie, of course, we'll be back

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Speaker 1: with you later at the end of the series.

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Speaker 4: And just a quick footnote on the way out. With

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Speaker 4: all of this going on, there's one thing that is outstanding.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: I know Katie Wu's got.

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Speaker 3: To do some work, I get it, right, But Katie

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Speaker 3: Wu is going to have an off day, kind of

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Speaker 3: an off day in Chicago.

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Speaker 4: She's she's on the loose. Everybody watch out. She is

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Speaker 4: on the loose. So I don't know whether that.

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Speaker 3: Means the stores on Michigan Avenue are going to be

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Speaker 3: doing some business.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what that means, but.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a it's a Saint Louis Sports Girl weekend,

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Speaker 1: both to our share from Channel four and Alexa Dad

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Speaker 1: but FanDuel, they'll be with me, and we're super excited

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Speaker 1: about it. I mean, they're not working the series, I am,

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Speaker 1: but we have the off day together. So oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great weekend.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait.

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Speaker 1: And if the Cardinals have some news on like a

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Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon, I need everybody to just pour one out

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Speaker 1: for me and pray for me because I probably won't

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Speaker 1: be any state to handle it so well, I still

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Speaker 1: take the day off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds it sounds good to be I know

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Speaker 3: you have a good time and hopefully there's there is

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Speaker 3: no there is no bulletins that require urgent writing and

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Speaker 3: reporting and all that stuff. So anyway, thank you, thanks,

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Speaker 3: thank you's always enjoyed being with Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great episode and yeah, Michael mcgreeby on Friday, stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, we'll be back later in the week.

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