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Speaker 1: actually uh, and that his goal is at all American

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Speaker 1: with Dr William Hazeltine. He is chairman and president of

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Speaker 1: Access Health International, to nonprofit think tank. It's on a

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Speaker 1: books at including a new one called Variance, the Shape

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Speaker 1: the phone on this Tuesday, joining us from Connecticut. Dr Hazeltine,

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Speaker 1: And Stephan, don't kill us. But you out like thirty seconds.

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Speaker 1: You know, well that's that gives me a lot of

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Speaker 1: to be how do we define what that infrastructure spending

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Speaker 1: going to be to pay for? And the tax policy implications,

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Speaker 1: the last couple of days. Yeah, absolutely, listen stuff And

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Speaker 1: I always come in with a list of things I

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Speaker 1: want to talk with you, because I can talk to

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Speaker 1: you for hours. Thank you so much. Be well and

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Speaker 1: stay safe. Stephan see like at Bridge Park Advisors. Thanks

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