WEBVTT - #775 Packers Unscripted: OTA observations 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:10.159 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.960 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:16.799 by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkuits. We're coming to you 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:20.960 Hear from our studios at Lambeufield to talk about OTA's wes. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:25.000 We got a chance to witness one practice this week. 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:28.320 It was on Tuesday. Players were out in the field 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.520 for about an hour and a half, maybe a little longer, yeah, 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.440 hour forty five, right in that range. I'll just throw 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:37.680 it out to you open ended. There's certainly coverage on 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:39.640 our website. Maybe some of you have already seen the 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:44.320 stories from Wednesday Thursday off of Tuesday afternoons practice. But 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:49.720 what was the your number one top ranked observation. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:55.200 Everybody gets all fidgety and upset about people saying, Hey, 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.520 I'm in the best shape of my life. But I 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:01.120 will say it's always interesting. Four months is not that 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.319 much time in the grand scheme of things, from when 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:04.479 the Packers season ended to. 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:05.400 Where we are right now. 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:07.679 But I always find it interesting when you look at 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.400 guys like Carrington Valentine, when you look at Colby Wooden, 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.600 you know, even a guy like Christian Watson. Guys do 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.120 look different, Yeah, come back because they are. Most of 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.240 these guys, they are fully dedicating themselves to building up 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.360 their bodies in those three four months that they're away 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:23.200 from this team. 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.200 And guys like that are also quite young. They're not 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:30.440 you know, they're they're not fully formed professional athletes. Yet 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.360 we saw the same thing a decade ago with David 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:36.480 Bachtiar guys like that who changed, not just changed in 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.080 terms of the way they played and how they you know, 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.920 understood the game and all that, but their bodies physically 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.679 change when they're within those first couple of years of 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:45.280 their pro career. 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:47.400 I even thought, you weren't in the scrum with me 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.280 and Jordan Love, but I even thought Jordan, you know, 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.840 looked a little bit bigger, more toned, more of. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:53.400 A man, so to speak. 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.840 But be that as it may, I was super impressed 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:02.000 by just the tent into detail with this football team 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.240 coming back. Keishaw Nixon kind of touched down and a 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.640 number of guys were talking about how when you look 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:08.959 at the perfect attendance that they've pretty much had so far, 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.280 the fact that the Packers got as close as they 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.160 did last year to finally getting over the hump against 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.280 the forty nine ers, I think that's fueling the veterans 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.480 that are coming back, and you have a bunch of young, 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:21.000 hungry players that are trying to fit into that mold 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.440 as well. So it was one practice. They had many 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.160 more that we were not privy to that that we 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.760 did not see. But for it being the first time 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:30.959 seeing the entire football team back together in three and 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.600 a half months, I was pretty impressed by what I saw. 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.800 Yeah, And I think when you talk about that vibe 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:40.880 that's within the team and the hunger and you know, 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.880 the opportunity that these guys feel that's in front of them. 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:48.280 In some ways, it's amazing what one year of missing 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.960 the playoffs does for veteran players, because twenty twenty two 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:56.400 was a tremendous disappointment. You know, the season was rough 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.720 for a long way. Then the Packers got hot, started 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.280 to make a run, than they had that playoff birth 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.760 in their grasp at home chance to win and get in, 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.680 and it got away from him. And for veteran players 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.880 like a Keishaan Nixon, you know, guys like that, then 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:14.919 when you do get to the playoffs like they did 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.320 last year, you felt you were playing well, playing as 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.600 well as anybody in the league, anybody that was in 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.440 the playoffs and had a shot at this thing, and 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.560 you don't quite get there, and you know, there's a 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.240 there's a tremendous disappointment, there's tremendous regret. Yes, there's a 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:32.880 lot of optimism and what not looking forward, but those 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:37.480 opportunities like twenty twenty three, they sting even more when 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.600 you're coming off of a season when you didn't when 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:43.440 you didn't make the playoffs the year before. So to me, 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.280 what I sense is this is the veteran players in particular, 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.120 these guys are these guys are taking nothing for granted 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:55.280 in that they know the type of team that they 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.760 have and what they might be able to accomplish, and 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.480 they don't want to go down the road of a 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:02.960 twenty twenty two again, And they don't want to go 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.760 down the road of the first half to three quarters 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.120 of twenty twenty three when they were just trying to 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.200 figure things out. You know, they got things figured out 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.120 at the end of last season. They know what they 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.320 can be, they know what they can accomplish, and so 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.840 it's like it's like, hey, let's go. It's It's as 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.200 though they feel like they could, you know, head down 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.640 to Brazil next week and play that week one game. Now, 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:25.560 that's not how it works. Obviously, there's a ton of 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.599 work to put in and everything to get ready for 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:33.360 the season. But these guys, especially the veteran players, they 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.240 know that there's an opportunity this year. 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:39.600 Yeah, and for this whole practice again. Now, I was 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.520 talking with Sean Ryan about this some other guys. You know, 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:42.920 you don't have the pads on, you don't have the 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:47.560 full contact element to this thing. It's still is more 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.880 that getting sort of acclimated, orientated to the new playbook 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.599 and what the exactly the assignments are going to be. 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:59.880 But I felt overall there was a energy within that 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.640 practice that to me was somewhat different than in the past. 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.839 And the question was asked an insider inbox about Okay, like, 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.080 how how different is the feel around the building this 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.320 year compared to last year around the building? I actually 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.680 don't think it's much different. I think people believed in 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.640 Jordan Love. They certainly believed him as a person. Last year, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:18.240 I think there was a lot of guys that respected 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.159 the way he handled himself as the backup to Aaron Rodgers. 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.240 So when he got his opportunity, everybody wanted to go 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.760 full tilt for him. But now you have the excitement 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.240 beyond this because you have the four hundred and fifty 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.800 nine snaps or whatever or five dred and forty nine 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:35.480 snaps whatever it was, or passes that Jordan Love threw 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.760 last year. You have the touchdowns, you have the production, 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.240 you have that late season rally, and I think that's 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.040 pulling guys back together. In addition to the fact that 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.239 a lot of these guys Mike that had some injury 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.520 questions at the end of the season. You know, you 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.800 look at Kingsley Ningbari was out there, he didn't need 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.400 a niece sleeve. He was good to go, basically a 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:58.039 full participant. I guess you would say Christian Watson and 0:05:58.160 --> 0:05:59.880 Eric Stokes will probably talk about that in a second, 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:01.920 but both of those guys went down to UW. Madison 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.600 with the Packers' training staff, felt like they got some answers, 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.080 maybe not to what will completely solve this thing, but 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.400 at least to what's causing all this Yeah, and now 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.320 come back feeling more confident in their own bodies, and 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.920 then certainly this team I think there was one player 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:21.039 that wasn't there because of a personal excused absence. But 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.560 to have JayR Alexander working with Xavier McKinney and all 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:28.800 these different individuals who are in this building and already 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.880 starting to pull the wagon here for the Packers. As 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.120 Matt Lafleura says, at several turns, when your quarterback's there, 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.560 when your veterans are there, everybody follows. 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:38.960 Yeah. 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.400 Well, as far as what we saw on the field 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.839 during the practice on Tuesday, I have to admit I 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.680 was a little surprised, and we were probably a bit 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:51.000 misleading to our regular viewers and listeners with Tuesday show 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:55.160 with regard to maybe how how some of these rookies 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.039 were going to be fitting in because the guys like 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.360 Edri and Cooper and Javon Bullard on defense, they were 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:07.320 not with the ones they the teams were the when 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.520 they went to eleven on eleven, which was not run 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.000 at full speed on Tuesday. It was more what they 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:16.600 call teaching speed. But in the eleven on elevens there 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:18.760 was the first units on one side of the field 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.320 and then the backup units on the other side of 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.960 the field, and when it came to the ones versus ones. 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:29.680 The rookies weren't out there, so so we'll see what 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.320 that means moving forward. And as far as as far 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.120 as where things go in training camp, I don't know 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:40.280 if if not doing that was because they want the 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.760 rookies to sort of earn their stripes a little bit, 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.800 or if it's because they would like to have the 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:49.960 rookies actually working on the same unit together as they 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.240 learn the defense together. There could be there could be 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.960 various reasons for it, and we're not really sure and 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.160 honestly what it's going to matter more in training camp 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:03.440 than an OTAs anyway. But that being said, it was 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.280 a little bit unexpected, at least to me based on 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.200 how the depth chart looked. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.560 One point One thing to keep in mind because I 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.800 was talking to one of the beat writers already and 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:14.680 he shall. 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:15.880 Remain nameless, good friend. 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.120 I mean, it's Pete Doherty, but you know he was 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.200 asking me like some depth chart questions there, and I'm like, 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.080 here's the thing about this, because I understand that's what 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:25.080 fans think right away. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:26.040 Yeah, depth charts. 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.119 One thing that people have to understand is we're writing 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:29.760 this content. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:30.360 This week. 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.920 The packers did two spot in team eleven on eleven. 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.880 That's pretty unconventional for an OTA practice. Yeah, to have 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.480 your ones on one end and your twos on another end. 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.880 And I think that kind of impacted it as well, 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.000 because I remember back when we were using the analogy 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.880 of twenty nineteen, well, you had the reserves on offense 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:49.920 and the reserves on defense on the sideline when they 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.360 were doing the team eleven on eleven when Darnell Savage 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.560 was on the back end with Adrian Amos in this 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.000 particular practice, it was very interesting what Green Bay did 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.400 because you had Edrin Cooper and Tyrone Hopper over there 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.800 with the ones, but then you had, in addition to 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:04.679 the safeties over with the twos or whatever you want 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:09.640 to call it, you also had Corey Valentine and Valentine 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.840 Carrington Valentine, my goodness, I'm back to that again over 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.320 there working with the two team too. So they kind 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.920 of mix the personnel a little bit more than what 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:20.760 you would expect because I think they were just trying 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:26.040 to get the reps in. And again, what happens today 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.760 has no impact on what's going to happen next week 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:31.800 or the week after. It's going to be about the 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.400 packers gathering their data, seeing who's healthy when we'll talk 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.480 about that too in a bit here as well. And 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.640 then once you get into training camp, you get through 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.920 those initial weeks and then you start to see the 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.960 shuffling happy you see the guys rising a little bit, 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.520 or the depth chart's kind of shifting. But right now 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.880 it's it's loose leaf paper man. I mean, it's all recyclable. 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.400 Yeah, absolutely, I'm and as I had said on our 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.760 show earlier this week, when we were sort of previewing 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.760 the OTAs as reporters, when we only get to see 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.079 what going on one day a week, you don't know if 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:05.120 the next day everything is shuffled around in terms of 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.440 who's lining up with whom and what unit and what 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.400 the depth chart looks like. We'll get another day next 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.480 week where we get to watch practice again, but there 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.920 are practice days on either side of that day where 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.320 we don't necessarily know what's going on out there. So 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.800 all we can report on is what we what we observe, 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:26.520 and and nobody's going to necessarily explain, you know, the 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.520 day to day process and how they're going about it 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.760 at this time of year, which is why you take it. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.760 You understand, you understand what you can, but yet you 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:40.559 don't put put too much into it. You've mentioned sort 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.040 of the health update and the reports there. I do 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.680 want to start with kings Leannagbari because to see him 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.000 out there with not a thing on that knee, I mean, 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.800 this is this is may. I mean this is basically 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.120 four months. Yeah, since the injury, which was in the 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.640 wild card game in Dallas to his knee, which was 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.280 initially feared to be a torn acl apparently it was not. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:06.960 He has avoided reconstructive surgery. But not only that, he's 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:11.559 out there in OTAs and considered considered full go. According 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:15.040 to Matt Lafleur, there's no restrictions, no limitations. He's got 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:19.600 no kind of sleeve or brace or anything on that knee. 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:24.360 I'm frankly, I'm kind of blown away by that, because 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:29.640 even if even if he's able to avoid reconstructive surgery 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.160 and the injury is not as bad as anyone thought, 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.600 you would still think that here in OTAs and non 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:40.200 contact stuff, that there'd be some limitations on him. And 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:40.679 there aren't. 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:41.839 He's good to go. 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.000 Yeah, I mean, Tyler Davis still wasn't participating yet he's 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.959 almost a year out from his ACL. That's nothing against Tyler, 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.520 but just shows you the amount of caution they usually 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.080 show it this time of the year with these guys. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.360 There wasn't that concern at all with an Igbari and Michael. 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.440 I'm telling you right now, I am not a doctor, 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.560 but that ACL ligament in his knee must be a 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:04.079 bungee cord, because I mean, you weren't you were the 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.080 way we do our press conferences after the games. As 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:07.920 you're with the coach, you're with the quarterback, I'm in. 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:08.480 The locker room. 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.720 I will forever have that image of Kingsley with the 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:16.880 towel over his head, being extremely emotional around his teammates, which, 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.880 as we found out later on, was after he'd been 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:20.800 kind of told that, yeah, it's not looking so good here. 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:22.240 They had to do their MRIs and stuff, but the 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.640 initial tests weren't looking good. Yeah, that there might have 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.079 been a tear there. And then we see him a 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.959 week later, two weeks later, and he's walking around the 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:31.960 locker room find and I remember saying to you, I'm like, 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:33.920 I'd never seen a guy with an ACL injury. 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.000 Look that good walking around they're on a couple weeks. 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.320 Yeah, there might be in a wheelchair. I mean, like 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.400 there's a different a scooter like and he looked great. 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:46.400 And then here we are, last last hurdle, first day 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.679 of the offseason program. Evan Siegul goes down to the 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.800 Hudson Center, takes the photos of the guys throwing the 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:52.880 medicine ball around, you know, for the phase one with 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.720 the strength of conditioning staff, and Nigbari's out there running 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.000 around circles and stuff, and we're all and I'm trying 0:12:58.040 --> 0:12:59.720 to make sense of it, like, well, you know, you 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.240 never can be too sure. Obviously it's not contact practice. 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:04.559 And then there he is out there on the practice field. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.800 You feel so good for him from a personal perspective because, dude, 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.679 he was there when Rashaun Gary towards ACL He knows 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:13.480 what it looks like when you have to make that 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.600 rally back, not just the time that you missed, but 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:19.079 everything that goes into actually rebuilding your knee. And here 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.680 he is, He's out there. Hopefully he continues to cross that. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.840 But the fact that the packers allowed him, the trainers, 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.040 the doctors allowed him to be out there on the field, 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.200 that speaks volumes in terms of just what condition that 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:31.079 knee is in right now. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:35.440 Yeah, one hundred percent. Well, the injury news wasn't all good, unfortunately, 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.480 and we know that these are the kinds of things 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.240 that we find out about this time of year. One, 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.240 on the very minor side of things, free agent running 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.840 back Josh Jacobs was not participating in the drills and 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.240 the practice and everything on Tuesday. He has a hamstring injury, 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.319 not considered serious by any means, could be back out 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.800 there by the end of OTAs or for the mini 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.960 camp later we'll see. He was all suited up and 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:00.880 had his helmet and every thing, you know, look like 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.640 all the other players, but was not actually participating in 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.679 the practice, was rehabbing off to the side. 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.240 If there's a hangnail on him right now, I don't 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:09.280 necessarily you just. 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.200 You protect him as as Ted Thompson, you say, just 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.840 put bubble wrap on him. Get get ready for the season, 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.800 because because you're gonna you're gonna be wanting a lot 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.320 out of Josh Jacobs for seventeen. 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.120 He's still he's a young man, but he's he's already 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.280 an All Pro. He's been a rushing champion the Packers 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.440 know what they have in him. He's smart, he's intelligent, 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.440 He's been here the whole time. That's one that I 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.280 went't lose too much. Yeah, because I trust me. I 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.160 looked in the Insider inbox submissions already, people already are. 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.640 Yeah, he's a six year veteranan. Yes, he needs to 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.200 get acclimated to this offense, et cetera, et cetera. But 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.200 there'll be plenty of practices in training camp to do 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.480 that even if he's even if he can't get out 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:44.280 their full speed. 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:45.800 And if you want to know why a year you 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:47.560 need to pay attention to hamstring injuries and why you 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.520 have to be cautions with them, just replay the twenty 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:50.600 twenty three Packers season. 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.960 Yes, exactly one hundred percent. You already mentioned where things 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.320 are with Christian Watson and Eric Stokes. They look great 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.960 out there. They both seem to feel pretty good about 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.560 what they're able to learn on the trip to Madison, 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.920 about their bodies, about things that they can do because 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:09.520 of the construct of their bodies, some of the extra 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:11.880 things they need to do that maybe other guys don't 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.280 need to do in terms of protecting those hamstrings, protecting 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.840 some of that some of the soft tissue stuff and 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.280 preparing those parts of their bodies for the rigors of 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:26.800 an NFL season. So hopefully they can put that information 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.320 to good use and hopefully it's the information that they need. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.960 I know, Lawrence University had a really high tech sports 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.720 science program when you were there playing baseball, but I 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.160 learned kind of like unfortunately, when all the neck injury 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.320 things were happening in the early twenty tens, I learned 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.720 so much about cervical fusion. Oh yeah, that type of 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.880 stuff and herniated disc I have learned so much about 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.520 hamstrings over the last year from the degrees of the 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.600 tears too. And this is why he was the Stand 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.600 Up Guy Award winner with Aaron Jones last year. Christian Watson, 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.120 he was incredible to the best of his knowledge as 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.440 a guy who's not actually a doctor, of explaining everything 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.520 he went through this offseason and what they were trying 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.360 to get to. The biggest thing trying to make this 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:12.280 and the easiest digestible terms for fans to understand, is 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.360 it's about symmetry and the strength of the two legs. 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.880 There's the nordboard, there's different tests you can do that basically, 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:23.120 will can tell give you tangible, objective data to show 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.840 you the strength and the two, the difference between the two. 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.400 And much like if you have a sprained ankle and 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.040 you're trying to walk around, you're going to put more 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.200 pressure on the healthy one to compensate. The same thing 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.320 with hamstring injuries. And as Christian Watson learned at the 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.600 end of last season, there was some asymmetry going on 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.280 there with his two hamstrings with his two legs, which 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.120 they believe was part of the reason this was causing 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.000 this and you're having some of the setbacks with it. 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:50.840 He actually had a really interesting comment about with this 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.720 Nord board, which is you basically lock your ankles in, 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:55.840 you lean forward almost on a pitch up position. It 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.640 strength stretches your hamstrings. It shows you all that data. 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:00.760 But he said he's actually had a good time with 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.960 it because it shows him every week. I mean sometimes 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.400 remember when Rogers had a collarbone. How does it feel 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.680 this week? Does it look like it's improving? You can 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.840 really see the degrees and percentages of how the hamstring 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.120 is improving and strengthening, and how you're getting the balance 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.640 between the two. That's what he's trying to achieve. Right now, 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.320 we haven't had a chance to talk to Eric Stokes, 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.360 but it sounds like that also worked wonders for him. 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.520 This is a big emphasis for the NFL, Mike. It's 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.359 not just the Packers. The NFL put a lot of 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.119 money and resources. A part of that was into badger 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:31.359 athletic performance in the UW Wisconsin, and you know Packers 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:32.080 took advantage of it. 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:33.280 I take my hats off to him. 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.200 Yeah, I mean, we'll see where We'll see where things 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:41.000 go from here. The negative news on the injury front 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.320 was we found out that both right tackle offensive lineman 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:50.600 Zach tom and second year tight end Tucker Craft they 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:55.560 tore pectoral muscles during at some point during the strength 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.200 and conditioning like the weightlifting stuff that they were doing 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.720 before the off season program got to this point with 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:06.800 the OTAs, So both of those guys are out for 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.560 the rest of the offseason. They're targeting to get them 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:13.600 back in training camp as they recover from the surgery 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:15.800 and the rehab and everything that they have to go through. 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:17.800 The hope is that they can be ready for the 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.200 start of training camp. If not the start of training camp, 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:24.760 then part way through training camp, and with that, what 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:28.480 we saw on the offensive line with Zach Tom not 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.920 out there and looking at kind of the first unit 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:37.080 and the depth chart and stuff. We saw initially Andre Dillard, 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.119 the free agent acquisition, was the guy lining up at 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:45.200 right tackle with the number one unit, which then also 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:49.320 included left to right was Rashid Walker, Elton Jenkins, Josh Myers, 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:53.919 Sean Ryan, and then Dillard. But we also saw a 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:59.159 lot of shuffling and moving around going on because we 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.200 saw Jordan Moore, the first round draft pick, was taking 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:05.560 snaps at both left tackle and at right tackle. We 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:09.000 saw Royce Newman stepping in to take some snaps at 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:12.480 guard in place of Sean Ryan. We saw Elton Jenkins 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:16.720 moving over and taking some snaps at center. A lot 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.440 of even with Zach Tom not out there right now, 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.160 there's a lot of this figuring out the best five 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.000 kind of thing going on, even at this stage without 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.600 the pads on, and I think this is it's it's 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.800 going to be something to watch even more so, I 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.800 think in training camp and especially when Zach Tom does 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.280