1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,159 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkuits. We're coming to you 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: Hear from our studios at Lambeufield to talk about OTA's wes. 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: We got a chance to witness one practice this week. 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: It was on Tuesday. Players were out in the field 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: for about an hour and a half, maybe a little longer, yeah, 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: hour forty five, right in that range. I'll just throw 9 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: it out to you open ended. There's certainly coverage on 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: our website. Maybe some of you have already seen the 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: stories from Wednesday Thursday off of Tuesday afternoons practice. But 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: what was the your number one top ranked observation. 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: Everybody gets all fidgety and upset about people saying, Hey, 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: I'm in the best shape of my life. But I 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: will say it's always interesting. Four months is not that 16 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 2: much time in the grand scheme of things, from when 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 2: the Packers season ended to. 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 3: Where we are right now. 19 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: But I always find it interesting when you look at 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: guys like Carrington Valentine, when you look at Colby Wooden, 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: you know, even a guy like Christian Watson. Guys do 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: look different, Yeah, come back because they are. Most of 23 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: these guys, they are fully dedicating themselves to building up 24 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: their bodies in those three four months that they're away 25 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: from this team. 26 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: And guys like that are also quite young. They're not 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, they're they're not fully formed professional athletes. Yet 28 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: we saw the same thing a decade ago with David 29 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: Bachtiar guys like that who changed, not just changed in 30 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: terms of the way they played and how they you know, 31 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: understood the game and all that, but their bodies physically 32 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: change when they're within those first couple of years of 33 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: their pro career. 34 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: I even thought, you weren't in the scrum with me 35 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: and Jordan Love, but I even thought Jordan, you know, 36 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: looked a little bit bigger, more toned, more of. 37 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: A man, so to speak. 38 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: But be that as it may, I was super impressed 39 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: by just the tent into detail with this football team 40 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: coming back. Keishaw Nixon kind of touched down and a 41 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: number of guys were talking about how when you look 42 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 2: at the perfect attendance that they've pretty much had so far, 43 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: the fact that the Packers got as close as they 44 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: did last year to finally getting over the hump against 45 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, I think that's fueling the veterans 46 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: that are coming back, and you have a bunch of young, 47 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: hungry players that are trying to fit into that mold 48 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: as well. So it was one practice. They had many 49 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: more that we were not privy to that that we 50 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: did not see. But for it being the first time 51 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 2: seeing the entire football team back together in three and 52 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: a half months, I was pretty impressed by what I saw. 53 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think when you talk about that vibe 54 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: that's within the team and the hunger and you know, 55 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: the opportunity that these guys feel that's in front of them. 56 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: In some ways, it's amazing what one year of missing 57 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: the playoffs does for veteran players, because twenty twenty two 58 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: was a tremendous disappointment. You know, the season was rough 59 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: for a long way. Then the Packers got hot, started 60 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: to make a run, than they had that playoff birth 61 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: in their grasp at home chance to win and get in, 62 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: and it got away from him. And for veteran players 63 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: like a Keishaan Nixon, you know, guys like that, then 64 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: when you do get to the playoffs like they did 65 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: last year, you felt you were playing well, playing as 66 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: well as anybody in the league, anybody that was in 67 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: the playoffs and had a shot at this thing, and 68 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: you don't quite get there, and you know, there's a 69 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: there's a tremendous disappointment, there's tremendous regret. Yes, there's a 70 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: lot of optimism and what not looking forward, but those 71 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: opportunities like twenty twenty three, they sting even more when 72 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: you're coming off of a season when you didn't when 73 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: you didn't make the playoffs the year before. So to me, 74 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: what I sense is this is the veteran players in particular, 75 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: these guys are these guys are taking nothing for granted 76 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: in that they know the type of team that they 77 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: have and what they might be able to accomplish, and 78 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: they don't want to go down the road of a 79 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two again, And they don't want to go 80 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: down the road of the first half to three quarters 81 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three when they were just trying to 82 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: figure things out. You know, they got things figured out 83 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: at the end of last season. They know what they 84 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: can be, they know what they can accomplish, and so 85 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: it's like it's like, hey, let's go. It's It's as 86 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: though they feel like they could, you know, head down 87 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: to Brazil next week and play that week one game. Now, 88 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: that's not how it works. Obviously, there's a ton of 89 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: work to put in and everything to get ready for 90 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: the season. But these guys, especially the veteran players, they 91 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: know that there's an opportunity this year. 92 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and for this whole practice again. Now, I was 93 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: talking with Sean Ryan about this some other guys. You know, 94 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: you don't have the pads on, you don't have the 95 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: full contact element to this thing. It's still is more 96 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: that getting sort of acclimated, orientated to the new playbook 97 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 2: and what the exactly the assignments are going to be. 98 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: But I felt overall there was a energy within that 99 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: practice that to me was somewhat different than in the past. 100 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: And the question was asked an insider inbox about Okay, like, 101 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: how how different is the feel around the building this 102 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: year compared to last year around the building? I actually 103 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: don't think it's much different. I think people believed in 104 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: Jordan Love. They certainly believed him as a person. Last year, 105 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 2: I think there was a lot of guys that respected 106 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 2: the way he handled himself as the backup to Aaron Rodgers. 107 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: So when he got his opportunity, everybody wanted to go 108 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: full tilt for him. But now you have the excitement 109 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: beyond this because you have the four hundred and fifty 110 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: nine snaps or whatever or five dred and forty nine 111 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 2: snaps whatever it was, or passes that Jordan Love threw 112 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: last year. You have the touchdowns, you have the production, 113 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: you have that late season rally, and I think that's 114 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 2: pulling guys back together. In addition to the fact that 115 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,239 Speaker 2: a lot of these guys Mike that had some injury 116 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: questions at the end of the season. You know, you 117 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: look at Kingsley Ningbari was out there, he didn't need 118 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: a niece sleeve. He was good to go, basically a 119 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 2: full participant. I guess you would say Christian Watson and 120 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: Eric Stokes will probably talk about that in a second, 121 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: but both of those guys went down to UW. Madison 122 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: with the Packers' training staff, felt like they got some answers, 123 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: maybe not to what will completely solve this thing, but 124 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: at least to what's causing all this Yeah, and now 125 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: come back feeling more confident in their own bodies, and 126 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: then certainly this team I think there was one player 127 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 2: that wasn't there because of a personal excused absence. But 128 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: to have JayR Alexander working with Xavier McKinney and all 129 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: these different individuals who are in this building and already 130 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: starting to pull the wagon here for the Packers. As 131 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: Matt Lafleura says, at several turns, when your quarterback's there, 132 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: when your veterans are there, everybody follows. 133 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 134 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: Well, as far as what we saw on the field 135 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: during the practice on Tuesday, I have to admit I 136 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: was a little surprised, and we were probably a bit 137 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: misleading to our regular viewers and listeners with Tuesday show 138 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: with regard to maybe how how some of these rookies 139 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: were going to be fitting in because the guys like 140 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: Edri and Cooper and Javon Bullard on defense, they were 141 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: not with the ones they the teams were the when 142 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: they went to eleven on eleven, which was not run 143 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: at full speed on Tuesday. It was more what they 144 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: call teaching speed. But in the eleven on elevens there 145 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: was the first units on one side of the field 146 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: and then the backup units on the other side of 147 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: the field, and when it came to the ones versus ones. 148 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: The rookies weren't out there, so so we'll see what 149 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: that means moving forward. And as far as as far 150 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: as where things go in training camp, I don't know 151 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: if if not doing that was because they want the 152 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: rookies to sort of earn their stripes a little bit, 153 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: or if it's because they would like to have the 154 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: rookies actually working on the same unit together as they 155 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: learn the defense together. There could be there could be 156 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: various reasons for it, and we're not really sure and 157 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: honestly what it's going to matter more in training camp 158 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: than an OTAs anyway. But that being said, it was 159 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: a little bit unexpected, at least to me based on 160 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: how the depth chart looked. 161 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: One point One thing to keep in mind because I 162 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: was talking to one of the beat writers already and 163 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: he shall. 164 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: Remain nameless, good friend. 165 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: I mean, it's Pete Doherty, but you know he was 166 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: asking me like some depth chart questions there, and I'm like, 167 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: here's the thing about this, because I understand that's what 168 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: fans think right away. 169 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, depth charts. 170 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,119 Speaker 2: One thing that people have to understand is we're writing 171 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: this content. 172 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: This week. 173 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: The packers did two spot in team eleven on eleven. 174 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: That's pretty unconventional for an OTA practice. Yeah, to have 175 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: your ones on one end and your twos on another end. 176 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: And I think that kind of impacted it as well, 177 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: because I remember back when we were using the analogy 178 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen, well, you had the reserves on offense 179 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: and the reserves on defense on the sideline when they 180 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: were doing the team eleven on eleven when Darnell Savage 181 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 2: was on the back end with Adrian Amos in this 182 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: particular practice, it was very interesting what Green Bay did 183 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: because you had Edrin Cooper and Tyrone Hopper over there 184 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: with the ones, but then you had, in addition to 185 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 2: the safeties over with the twos or whatever you want 186 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: to call it, you also had Corey Valentine and Valentine 187 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: Carrington Valentine, my goodness, I'm back to that again over 188 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 2: there working with the two team too. So they kind 189 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: of mix the personnel a little bit more than what 190 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: you would expect because I think they were just trying 191 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: to get the reps in. And again, what happens today 192 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: has no impact on what's going to happen next week 193 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: or the week after. It's going to be about the 194 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: packers gathering their data, seeing who's healthy when we'll talk 195 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: about that too in a bit here as well. And 196 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: then once you get into training camp, you get through 197 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: those initial weeks and then you start to see the 198 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: shuffling happy you see the guys rising a little bit, 199 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: or the depth chart's kind of shifting. But right now 200 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: it's it's loose leaf paper man. I mean, it's all recyclable. 201 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I'm and as I had said on our 202 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: show earlier this week, when we were sort of previewing 203 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: the OTAs as reporters, when we only get to see 204 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: what going on one day a week, you don't know if 205 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: the next day everything is shuffled around in terms of 206 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: who's lining up with whom and what unit and what 207 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: the depth chart looks like. We'll get another day next 208 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: week where we get to watch practice again, but there 209 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: are practice days on either side of that day where 210 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: we don't necessarily know what's going on out there. So 211 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: all we can report on is what we what we observe, 212 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: and and nobody's going to necessarily explain, you know, the 213 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: day to day process and how they're going about it 214 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: at this time of year, which is why you take it. 215 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: You understand, you understand what you can, but yet you 216 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: don't put put too much into it. You've mentioned sort 217 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: of the health update and the reports there. I do 218 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: want to start with kings Leannagbari because to see him 219 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: out there with not a thing on that knee, I mean, 220 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: this is this is may. I mean this is basically 221 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: four months. Yeah, since the injury, which was in the 222 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: wild card game in Dallas to his knee, which was 223 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: initially feared to be a torn acl apparently it was not. 224 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: He has avoided reconstructive surgery. But not only that, he's 225 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: out there in OTAs and considered considered full go. According 226 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: to Matt Lafleur, there's no restrictions, no limitations. He's got 227 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: no kind of sleeve or brace or anything on that knee. 228 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: I'm frankly, I'm kind of blown away by that, because 229 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: even if even if he's able to avoid reconstructive surgery 230 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: and the injury is not as bad as anyone thought, 231 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: you would still think that here in OTAs and non 232 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: contact stuff, that there'd be some limitations on him. And 233 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: there aren't. 234 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 3: He's good to go. 235 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Tyler Davis still wasn't participating yet he's 236 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 2: almost a year out from his ACL. That's nothing against Tyler, 237 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: but just shows you the amount of caution they usually 238 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 2: show it this time of the year with these guys. 239 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: There wasn't that concern at all with an Igbari and Michael. 240 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, I am not a doctor, 241 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 2: but that ACL ligament in his knee must be a 242 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 2: bungee cord, because I mean, you weren't you were the 243 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: way we do our press conferences after the games. As 244 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: you're with the coach, you're with the quarterback, I'm in. 245 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: The locker room. 246 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: I will forever have that image of Kingsley with the 247 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: towel over his head, being extremely emotional around his teammates, which, 248 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: as we found out later on, was after he'd been 249 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: kind of told that, yeah, it's not looking so good here. 250 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: They had to do their MRIs and stuff, but the 251 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: initial tests weren't looking good. Yeah, that there might have 252 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 2: been a tear there. And then we see him a 253 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 2: week later, two weeks later, and he's walking around the 254 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: locker room find and I remember saying to you, I'm like, 255 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: I'd never seen a guy with an ACL injury. 256 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: Look that good walking around they're on a couple weeks. 257 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, there might be in a wheelchair. I mean, like 258 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: there's a different a scooter like and he looked great. 259 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: And then here we are, last last hurdle, first day 260 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 2: of the offseason program. Evan Siegul goes down to the 261 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: Hudson Center, takes the photos of the guys throwing the 262 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: medicine ball around, you know, for the phase one with 263 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: the strength of conditioning staff, and Nigbari's out there running 264 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: around circles and stuff, and we're all and I'm trying 265 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: to make sense of it, like, well, you know, you 266 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: never can be too sure. Obviously it's not contact practice. 267 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 2: And then there he is out there on the practice field. 268 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: You feel so good for him from a personal perspective because, dude, 269 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 2: he was there when Rashaun Gary towards ACL He knows 270 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: what it looks like when you have to make that 271 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: rally back, not just the time that you missed, but 272 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 2: everything that goes into actually rebuilding your knee. And here 273 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 2: he is, He's out there. Hopefully he continues to cross that. 274 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: But the fact that the packers allowed him, the trainers, 275 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: the doctors allowed him to be out there on the field, 276 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 2: that speaks volumes in terms of just what condition that 277 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 2: knee is in right now. 278 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. Well, the injury news wasn't all good, unfortunately, 279 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: and we know that these are the kinds of things 280 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: that we find out about this time of year. One, 281 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: on the very minor side of things, free agent running 282 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: back Josh Jacobs was not participating in the drills and 283 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: the practice and everything on Tuesday. He has a hamstring injury, 284 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: not considered serious by any means, could be back out 285 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: there by the end of OTAs or for the mini 286 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: camp later we'll see. He was all suited up and 287 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: had his helmet and every thing, you know, look like 288 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: all the other players, but was not actually participating in 289 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: the practice, was rehabbing off to the side. 290 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: If there's a hangnail on him right now, I don't 291 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 2: necessarily you just. 292 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: You protect him as as Ted Thompson, you say, just 293 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: put bubble wrap on him. Get get ready for the season, 294 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: because because you're gonna you're gonna be wanting a lot 295 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: out of Josh Jacobs for seventeen. 296 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: He's still he's a young man, but he's he's already 297 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: an All Pro. He's been a rushing champion the Packers 298 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: know what they have in him. He's smart, he's intelligent, 299 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: He's been here the whole time. That's one that I 300 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: went't lose too much. Yeah, because I trust me. I 301 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: looked in the Insider inbox submissions already, people already are. 302 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a six year veteranan. Yes, he needs to 303 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: get acclimated to this offense, et cetera, et cetera. But 304 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: there'll be plenty of practices in training camp to do 305 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: that even if he's even if he can't get out 306 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: their full speed. 307 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: And if you want to know why a year you 308 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 2: need to pay attention to hamstring injuries and why you 309 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: have to be cautions with them, just replay the twenty 310 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: twenty three Packers season. 311 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly one hundred percent. You already mentioned where things 312 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: are with Christian Watson and Eric Stokes. They look great 313 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: out there. They both seem to feel pretty good about 314 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: what they're able to learn on the trip to Madison, 315 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: about their bodies, about things that they can do because 316 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: of the construct of their bodies, some of the extra 317 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: things they need to do that maybe other guys don't 318 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: need to do in terms of protecting those hamstrings, protecting 319 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: some of that some of the soft tissue stuff and 320 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: preparing those parts of their bodies for the rigors of 321 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: an NFL season. So hopefully they can put that information 322 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: to good use and hopefully it's the information that they need. 323 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: I know, Lawrence University had a really high tech sports 324 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: science program when you were there playing baseball, but I 325 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: learned kind of like unfortunately, when all the neck injury 326 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: things were happening in the early twenty tens, I learned 327 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: so much about cervical fusion. Oh yeah, that type of 328 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: stuff and herniated disc I have learned so much about 329 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: hamstrings over the last year from the degrees of the 330 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: tears too. And this is why he was the Stand 331 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: Up Guy Award winner with Aaron Jones last year. Christian Watson, 332 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 2: he was incredible to the best of his knowledge as 333 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: a guy who's not actually a doctor, of explaining everything 334 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: he went through this offseason and what they were trying 335 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: to get to. The biggest thing trying to make this 336 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: and the easiest digestible terms for fans to understand, is 337 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: it's about symmetry and the strength of the two legs. 338 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: There's the nordboard, there's different tests you can do that basically, 339 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: will can tell give you tangible, objective data to show 340 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: you the strength and the two, the difference between the two. 341 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: And much like if you have a sprained ankle and 342 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: you're trying to walk around, you're going to put more 343 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: pressure on the healthy one to compensate. The same thing 344 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: with hamstring injuries. And as Christian Watson learned at the 345 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: end of last season, there was some asymmetry going on 346 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: there with his two hamstrings with his two legs, which 347 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: they believe was part of the reason this was causing 348 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: this and you're having some of the setbacks with it. 349 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: He actually had a really interesting comment about with this 350 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: Nord board, which is you basically lock your ankles in, 351 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: you lean forward almost on a pitch up position. It 352 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: strength stretches your hamstrings. It shows you all that data. 353 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: But he said he's actually had a good time with 354 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: it because it shows him every week. I mean sometimes 355 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 2: remember when Rogers had a collarbone. How does it feel 356 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 2: this week? Does it look like it's improving? You can 357 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: really see the degrees and percentages of how the hamstring 358 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 2: is improving and strengthening, and how you're getting the balance 359 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 2: between the two. That's what he's trying to achieve. Right now, 360 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: we haven't had a chance to talk to Eric Stokes, 361 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 2: but it sounds like that also worked wonders for him. 362 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: This is a big emphasis for the NFL, Mike. It's 363 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 2: not just the Packers. The NFL put a lot of 364 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 2: money and resources. A part of that was into badger 365 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: athletic performance in the UW Wisconsin, and you know Packers 366 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: took advantage of it. 367 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: I take my hats off to him. 368 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we'll see where We'll see where things 369 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: go from here. The negative news on the injury front 370 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: was we found out that both right tackle offensive lineman 371 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: Zach tom and second year tight end Tucker Craft they 372 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: tore pectoral muscles during at some point during the strength 373 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: and conditioning like the weightlifting stuff that they were doing 374 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: before the off season program got to this point with 375 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: the OTAs, So both of those guys are out for 376 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: the rest of the offseason. They're targeting to get them 377 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: back in training camp as they recover from the surgery 378 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: and the rehab and everything that they have to go through. 379 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: The hope is that they can be ready for the 380 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: start of training camp. If not the start of training camp, 381 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: then part way through training camp, and with that, what 382 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: we saw on the offensive line with Zach Tom not 383 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: out there and looking at kind of the first unit 384 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: and the depth chart and stuff. We saw initially Andre Dillard, 385 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: the free agent acquisition, was the guy lining up at 386 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: right tackle with the number one unit, which then also 387 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: included left to right was Rashid Walker, Elton Jenkins, Josh Myers, 388 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: Sean Ryan, and then Dillard. But we also saw a 389 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: lot of shuffling and moving around going on because we 390 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: saw Jordan Moore, the first round draft pick, was taking 391 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: snaps at both left tackle and at right tackle. We 392 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: saw Royce Newman stepping in to take some snaps at 393 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: guard in place of Sean Ryan. We saw Elton Jenkins 394 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: moving over and taking some snaps at center. A lot 395 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: of even with Zach Tom not out there right now, 396 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of this figuring out the best five 397 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: kind of thing going on, even at this stage without 398 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: the pads on, and I think this is it's it's 399 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: going to be something to watch even more so, I 400 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: think in training camp and especially when Zach Tom does 401 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: come back from the peck injury, just as to how 402 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: this Packers offensive line is going to shape up. 403 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: This is what I always referred to as the ground 404 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: beef portion of an NFL player's career. You know you 405 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: got something good there, but you don't know if it's 406 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 2: gonna be a hamburger. You don't know if it's gonna 407 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: be taco meet. You don't know what you're gonna do 408 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 2: with this. Yet. 409 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 3: You could have stuff peppers. My dad makes wonderful stuff pets. 410 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 3: Those are good. 411 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, spaghetti and meatballs. There you go, whatever you want 412 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: to do with it. It's there for And that's what 413 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 2: Green Bay was doing when they drafted Jordan Morgan. He 414 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 2: wants to play left tackle. He believes he can play 415 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: left pat tackle. The Packers believe he can play left tackle. 416 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 2: But he's also a rookie entering the National Football League. 417 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 2: You have a veteran in Rashid Walker now that played 418 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: eight hundred and fifty one snaps at left tackle last season. 419 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 2: You have Zach tom there who's not currently there. You 420 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: have Andre Dillard who's a first former first round pick. 421 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 2: This is the time of the year where it benefits 422 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 2: you to be able to get reps at right tackle 423 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: because that may be where you ultimately are needed. Hopefully 424 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: it doesn't come to that. But that may be at 425 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: some point where you have to be played, you might 426 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: have to be at left tackle. The Packers have done this, 427 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 2: and it was one of the points of biggest points 428 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 2: of emphasis I made an inbox this morning was they 429 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: have done such a good job of rotating guys around, 430 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: sometimes even in regular season games, even in games themselves. 431 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: But they've done such a good job of cross training guys, 432 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: and it's always been a point emphasis. It's not something 433 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 2: that just started when matt Lefluor got here. Mike McCarthy 434 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: and James Campen did plenty of it too, but it's 435 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: the way in which they've done it, in the confidence 436 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 2: in posure that players have shown once they've been put 437 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 2: in those positions. Zach tom is an excellent talent, Elton 438 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 2: Jenkins is an excellent talent. As good as they are 439 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 2: and as well as I believe they'd fit into any 440 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: offense in the National Football League, the way the Packers 441 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: developed them also has something to do with how they 442 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: were able to wear as many hats as they did. 443 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: Jordan Morgan is in that phase right now. I think 444 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: he's embracing it. I think he's looking forward to it, 445 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: and honestly, Michael It doesn't matter if you're at left tackle, 446 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 2: right tackle, or full back. If you're getting reps with 447 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: the number one offense and you're in there with Jordan Love, 448 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: that is a good thing for you. 449 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 450 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think uh, I think we're going we're going 451 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: to see we're going to see a constant evolution of 452 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: the depth chart, perhaps when we get to training camp. 453 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: It might even be on a day to day basis. 454 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: You know, when you've got all this lead up, you know, 455 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: you have this lead up time before the pads go on, 456 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: then the pads go on, then you get to family night, 457 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: and then you're gonna get to the preseason games. You know, 458 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: we could we could see we could see this this 459 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: this constant rotation as far as the coaching staff figure 460 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: out just who those best five are going to be 461 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: and what the best unit, what the best group is 462 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: going to be to put out there in front of 463 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: Jordan Love, as well as then lining things up, Okay, 464 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: who's the sixth man, who's the seventh, and who's the eighth, 465 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: because you're gonna have on game day in the regular season, 466 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: you're going to have eight offensive linemen active, and you know, 467 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: so there is going to be a cutoff there between 468 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: the guys who the guys who should be expecting to 469 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: play and other guys who are going to be on 470 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: the fifty three, but they're going to be fighting to 471 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: get on that game day roster as opposed to being 472 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: a game day inactive. So long way to go here 473 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: to figure that out. But it's going to be interesting 474 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: to watch and hopefully Zach Tom gets back out there 475 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: sometime late July early August. 476 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, you definitely, you hope that for Tom because he 477 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 2: was so good last year and he put more muscle 478 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 2: onto his body, he got a little bit bigger, and 479 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 2: he played so well at a position I think so 480 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 2: many people question whether or not that would be his 481 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 2: real home, and we still really don't know long term 482 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 2: where he's going to line up, but I am remembered 483 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 2: of that second week of training camp last year where 484 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: he was working at left tackle, right tackle, and if 485 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: you remember, he even rotated in with center with Josh Myers, 486 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: yeah a little. 487 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 3: Bit as well. 488 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 2: The guy really can do everything, so trying to get 489 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 2: him back in the lineup is going to be huge. 490 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: But ultimately, unfortunately, when someone's not available, much like Ben Simms, 491 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: we saw Ben Simms running deep corner routes during He 492 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 2: was mostly a blocking tight end last year because it 493 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: was him and Luke Musgrave were basically the two guys 494 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: available because of Craft's injury and because Tyler Davis isn't 495 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: practicing yet. So there's so many different things that happen. 496 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: But if you're out there and they call your number, 497 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: you have to show them what you can do with it. 498 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, one other piece of news to get to in 499 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: case you didn't hear. Matt Lafleur did confirm in his 500 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: post practice news conference on Tuesday that the Packers are 501 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: going to have joint practices with two different teams upcoming 502 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: here in training camp, the trip to Denver in the preseason, 503 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: the Packers will go out a little bit early, have 504 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: one practice with the Broncos prior to the preseason game, 505 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: and then the Baltimore Ravens come to Green Bay for 506 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: the preseason finale. The Ravens and the Packers will have 507 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: a joint practice prior to that preseason matchup. So that's 508 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: just gonna be that alone is going to be interesting 509 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: because of the Lamar Jackson, JayR Alexander, the whole Louisville 510 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: connection thing it. I think every every not only professional photographer, 511 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: but amateurs like the rest of us, with our camera 512 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: phones on the sideline, We're going to be trying to 513 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: get that shot of Alexander and Jackson, you know, the 514 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: Louisville guys like together on the practice field here in 515 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: Green Bay. 516 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: John thinks so highly of Lamar, and I know I've 517 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 2: talked on Inbox before and I've also, i think even 518 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 2: mentioned on the show when they've played the Ravens. I mean, 519 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,239 Speaker 2: you go back and watch when he got drafted, when 520 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: Lamar got drafted in twenty eighteen, and it just so 521 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 2: happened that jay Ara was in the middle of an 522 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 2: interview at that time. He stops everything to watch that 523 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: television when Lamar gets picked number thirty two overall and 524 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 2: goes to Baltimore. The amount of pro that he showed, 525 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: and I don't want to put words into Jyr's mouth, 526 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 2: but I think a lot of that has to do 527 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 2: the fact that both of those guys are guys that 528 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: were kind of questioned at every turn. Jay Air, because 529 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 2: he was lightly recruited, wasn't a five star recruit by 530 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 2: any means. He goes to Louisville, proved himself to be 531 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 2: a first round player, Lamar Jackson, Heisman Trophy type player, 532 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 2: and then everybody's asking if he's going to play receiver 533 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 2: in the National Football League, and he's certainly proven that 534 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: he's an MVP quarterback in this league. And it's always cool. 535 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: And I like the adjustment they made to Mike going 536 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 2: to one practice. I don't know how you felt about 537 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: it last year in Cincinnati. 538 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 3: It wasn't so much. 539 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,719 Speaker 2: It wasn't as bad in Green Bay. But that second day, 540 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 2: since like there was a point in that. 541 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 3: Practice, it got ugly. I mean, there's no chos about it. 542 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: That second practice in Cincinnati got ugly and there was 543 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: very little that was accomplished because because the girl wasn't practicing, 544 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: guys were just getting getting under each other's skin and 545 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: there were I mean, there was one stretch and I know, 546 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: I think you were on like on the other practice field. 547 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 1: You know, we had to kind of divide duty when 548 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: we were there in Cincinnati on the two different practice 549 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 1: fields where everybody was and the side that I was 550 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: on was where was where a lot of the scuffling 551 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: was going on. And I want to say it was 552 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: something like four consecutive eleven on eleven plays where there 553 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: was some kind of extracurricular going on that they had 554 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: to separate guys before they could run the next play. 555 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: I mean it got to the point of ridiculousness quite frankly, 556 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: where where what was getting what was getting accomplished was minimal, 557 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: if anything, from a practice and a workout standpoint. So, yeah, 558 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: the back to back joint practices at least for this year, 559 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: not happening. It's going to just be one against each 560 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: of those teams prior to the preseason. 561 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see too how that affects 562 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: the mentality and what the Packers want to do in 563 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 2: terms of their starters in these games. As it turned out, 564 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 2: Packers Jordan Love played quite a bit last year. The 565 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 2: starting offense played quite a bit with him last year. 566 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 2: Still a young team, I get that, understand why you'd 567 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: want to be you know, getting those reps in Denver 568 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 2: should be interesting. Uh, you know, it's it's an uncommon 569 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 2: trip for us. We don't make it that often. Certainly 570 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 2: a new you know, staff and feel to that team 571 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 2: right now with Sean Payton taking things over. 572 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: A little longer time for us to get acclimated to 573 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: the altitude. Yeah, all that out there, and and more 574 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: so for the players obviously, with getting to practice once 575 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: out there, especially for the young guys that are going 576 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: to be playing in that game. You know, they they 577 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: get a day on the practice field up there in 578 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: the mountains, in the in that kind of altitude before 579 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: they're they're going all out in game trying to win 580 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: a roster spot. 581 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: This should feel a little less like the Shining though, 582 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: Like I mean, last year, by the time we were done, 583 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: I was like, all right, I'm ready to go back 584 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: to Green Bay. It was a cool bonding experience. We're 585 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: at the hotel quite a bit, we got a lot 586 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: of work done. 587 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 3: But yeah, by. 588 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: The end of it, I was like, all right that 589 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 2: I never experienced that, the traveling to go do. I 590 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: remember back in the day when I first started covering 591 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: the team, I was like, you know, their training camp 592 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: is always going to be in Green Bay, And it 593 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: was a very different flavor going down to Cincinnati for 594 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: those three days or whatever we were there for. 595 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we went there. I mean, yeah, the 596 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: game was on what the game was on like a 597 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 1: Friday night, and I think we flew to Cincinnati on 598 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: like Monday or something like. 599 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 2: That Tuesday night and they practice Wednesday Thursday. 600 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I forget how. 601 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 1: I can't remember how, but yeah it was. We were 602 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati for a long time. 603 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 3: I had skyline Chile for the first time. 604 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 605 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 2: Well, I also saying karaoke with like a sixty five 606 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 2: year old woman at like two in the morning one 607 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: of those nights too. 608 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 3: Yeah that happened. Ryan Hartwy can tell you all about that. 609 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't stay out late with you guys on 610 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: those nights, and now I know why. 611 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 3: But you want to end the show on that. 612 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: Well, before we go, Before we go, we do have 613 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: to tip our hat and express our gratitude our producer, 614 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,959 Speaker 1: Justin Allen, who has been producing this show. We were 615 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: trying to figure it out for sure. We're thinking it's 616 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: right around eighteen months or so. It was sometime during 617 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two season. He took over as the 618 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: producer of Packers Unscripted. This is his last show. He 619 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: is moving on to hopefully bigger and better things. And 620 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: just want to say justin thank you. My man. Can't 621 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: tell you how much we appreciate. I mean, people don't know. 622 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: We've gone through different phases of the technology that we 623 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: use in terms of how he communicates with us through 624 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: the headsets. We've had these little remote things, we've had 625 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: our cell phones, we've done it through the computer, you know, 626 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: through the tablet thing. Here. He makes it as seamless 627 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: as possible for us, and so we just have to 628 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: say thank you to him. Hopefully bigger and better is 629 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: ahead and we're gonna miss you, my friend. 630 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Justin to give the guy the ultimate tip 631 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: of the cap. I mean, you think about when we 632 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 2: were doing so COVID happens. 633 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: That was fun, It wasn't. 634 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 2: We do the renovations to the studio, so we have 635 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 2: to start moving, we have to start going remote. Well, 636 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: then people start coming back in the building. We're still 637 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 2: I'm not having access to the studio because some of 638 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: the changes. So Justin was the one having to actually 639 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: get the carts out, get our microphones, get everything, get 640 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: us set up on the fifth floor of lambeau Field 641 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 2: so we could do the show through zoom in basically 642 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: the sweet area. Every once in a while, if you 643 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: guys watch back, then there'd be a person that was 644 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 2: like doing house cleaning and things after games. Because of 645 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 2: just our setup and Justin was the one that was 646 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: put in the miles, putting in the legwork on that 647 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 2: incredibly talented young man. If you could just do the 648 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: transcript of this or attach an audio file or video 649 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: file do resumes going forward. I will speak as highly 650 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 2: as him as any of our interns that have been here, 651 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 2: because the thing about our interns and our operation, Mike, 652 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 2: as you were saying, you can't really remember well, because 653 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 2: they just get thrown into the fire. Yeah, and they 654 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 2: just have to deal with it. I can't think of 655 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: one time where you and I have had to like 656 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 2: restart the show because Justin pushed the wrong button or 657 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 2: did the wrong thing. He is a one across the board, 658 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 2: and we are going to desperately, desperately miss him. 659 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, in the way possible. 660 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: We love you, Justin, Yes, we love you Justin. With that, 661 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: we'll call it a rap on this edition of Packers 662 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: Unscripted because of Justin's departure and some other things that 663 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: are going on with the schedule. Next week, we're actually 664 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: gonna take one week off from the show, So next 665 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: week we won't have any shows, but then we will 666 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: be back for a couple of more weeks. As the 667 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: OTAs and the mandatory mini camp and whatnot finish up 668 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: the off season program. So we're gonna take just a 669 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: little mini short break and then we'll be back with 670 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: more OTA coverage coming up here soon enough. So with 671 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: that for wes, I am Mike, thank you for tuning 672 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: in everybody. We will see you next time.