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Speaker 1: again we're doing video on this one. Have Renee Nickel

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Speaker 1: on with us. Author of Always My Hero, The Road

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Speaker 1: to Hope and Healing Following My Brother's Death in Afghanistan

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Speaker 1: came out earlier this year independently published UM and and

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Speaker 1: I know you say in the book, Renee, that it

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Speaker 1: well and getting great reviews. Yeah. I UM started the

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Speaker 1: and F eighteen aviator. He died in two thousand eleven

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Speaker 1: So at that point he was he was in bufort Um,

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Speaker 1: little bit earlier, I mean, it's unfortunate that all too

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Speaker 1: often the casualties are just statistics, Uh, not out of malice. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's just that we don't necessarily have the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: get to know these people on a personal level. And Um,

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Speaker 1: when you write a book like this, it really, I

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Speaker 1: think touches a nerve. You know. Obviously the service member,

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Speaker 1: serviceman or woman pays a steep price, but oftentimes we

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Speaker 1: don't really understand or feel the impact that it has

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Speaker 1: on the entire family. Yeah. Um, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: my immediate family, you know, to include my husband and

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Speaker 1: my four kids. Um, the probably my oldest daughter probably

439
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Speaker 1: had the most amount of PTSD. UM. She was twelve

440
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Speaker 1: years old when when I got the phone call that

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Speaker 1: sam had been killed. And you know, it's really even

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Speaker 1: hard just going back into into that memory of that

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Speaker 1: day and her just stepping into action, you know, into

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Speaker 1: an adult role and taking her little siblings and her

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Speaker 1: little you know, five year old sister at the time

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Speaker 1: and putting them in a corner in a room because

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Speaker 1: Mommy was screaming on the floor and couldn't even get up.

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Speaker 1: And and and then she comes out and she's making

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Speaker 1: phone calls, and she's calling her dad telling her that

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Speaker 1: uncle Sammy had been killed. And and you know, and

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Speaker 1: other other close friends, so they can kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: they can come to the house. And you know, she

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Speaker 1: doesn't she doesn't talk about that that day at all. Um.

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Speaker 1: She's still a bit disconnected, um in regards to that.

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Speaker 1: And she's you know, she's gone through, um, just a

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Speaker 1: lot of healing in her own way, you know. But

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Speaker 1: you know, we just you know, we just make it

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Speaker 1: through the best we can, and we try to be

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Speaker 1: the best we can and and try to make a

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Speaker 1: difference with what we have left. Absolutely, I think it's

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Speaker 1: great when these books are written. As Jack said, we

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Speaker 1: had on Jeff Falcol once who talked about his son

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Speaker 1: Chris Falcol who was a Green Beret died in combat.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's important to keep these legacies going

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Speaker 1: for future generations. As I said, Um, And and it's

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Speaker 1: great that you're getting the book out there. So you're

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Speaker 1: doing like a lot of press for it, and for

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Speaker 1: something independent, it's it's hard to get the word out um,

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Speaker 1: and you're doing a great job of it. So the

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Speaker 1: website is U Renee Nickel dot com. R E N

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Speaker 1: E N I c K E l L dot com.

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Speaker 1: The book is always my hero. The road to hope

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Speaker 1: and healing following my brother's death and Afghanistan. Anything else

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Speaker 1: you want to get out there or there any organizations

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Speaker 1: helping out gold Star families or anything like that right now. Actually,

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Speaker 1: there's an organization. It's called Belief with Me and it's

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Speaker 1: Believed with Me dot com. The founder Liett Reback. Every

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Speaker 1: year she provides Christmas presents for gold Star Kids. So

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Speaker 1: right now they have over a thousand gold Star kids

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Speaker 1: signed up for presents. And this is a nonprofit, so

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Speaker 1: they do you know, they rely solely on donations. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I remember what it was like that Christmas

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Speaker 1: that my brother died and wondering how we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: Christmas for the kids, and you know we had Toys

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Speaker 1: for Tots come in and save the day for us.

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Speaker 1: But Leett, you know there they need about a hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars to get all these gifts out

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Speaker 1: to these gold Star kids by Christmas. Their ship day

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Speaker 1: is December. So you know, if I can just get

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Speaker 1: it out there that you can go to her website

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Speaker 1: and you can sponsor a gold Star child, um and

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Speaker 1: it makes an incredible impact on their life. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's it's great to know that you're not forgotten at

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Speaker 1: Christmas time. So um, and that America is remembering you,

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Speaker 1: they're remembering the sacrifice. Excellent. What's the website again, it's

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Speaker 1: believed with me dot com. Cool, all right, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: a lot of people will check that out. That's that's

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Speaker 1: a great thing to do. Great organization. Is here about

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Speaker 1: the time a year ago and do that? Yeah, oh excellent, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know it's it doesn't take a large chunk of

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Speaker 1: your budget to change, you know, to help a kid. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Thanks again so much for doing this. So we appreciate

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Speaker 1: your Yeah, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it

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Speaker 1: was great. All right, So I'm gonna wrap up the

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Speaker 1: rest of what we're doing with Jack and I'll have

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Speaker 1: this up tomorrow and I'll send it over to you. Excellent,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. Feel free to reach out any time,

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Speaker 1: all right, thank you, Thanks bye bye. So that that

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Speaker 1: one excellent. I mean, like I said, this was kind

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Speaker 1: of similar to when we had Jeff falcol On to

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Speaker 1: speak about Chris falcol And I'm glad that people are

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Speaker 1: writing these types of books. And I think you even

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Speaker 1: had not well, I wasn't here, you had that marine

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Speaker 1: who worked in More to Weary, and I mean these

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Speaker 1: are kind of like some dark stories, man. But on

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Speaker 1: the other hand, it's look, we're we're at war. We've

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Speaker 1: been at war for seventeen years. Like people need to

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Speaker 1: hear this stuff. Yeah, what I was gonna say is,

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Speaker 1: I think it's almost a newer thing. People were writing.

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00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: People have written books as Vietnam veterans and you know

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Speaker 1: that type of thing. But I think gold Star family

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Speaker 1: members writing books about their loved ones because of the

523
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: fact that now you could self published and the type

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Speaker 1: of thing, because you know, it's uncase, it's unfortunately. I

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Speaker 1: don't think know what publishers will pick up on that type.

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Speaker 1: I know Ta Kyle is a book out, but for

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Speaker 1: the most part, it's not something a major publisher. No,

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Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're saying in and I mean,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean no one. I'm probably there's no

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Speaker 1: publisher out there that wants to say this out loud.

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Speaker 1: But this is difficult subject matter. And I mean, quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: it's not necessarily commercial because it's not the big flag

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Speaker 1: waving or maybe maybe maybe it is. I I can't

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Speaker 1: necessarily say I'm not describing any of these gold star

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Speaker 1: books is unpatriotic by any stretch of the coordination. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying that, Yeah, you're never gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: make it into an action movie probably. You know. It

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Speaker 1: has a lot to do with what the families go

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Speaker 1: through in their feelings and the sentimentality they have with

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Speaker 1: their loved one. So I mean it's not necessarily the

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Speaker 1: most commercial material, but yes, you're right with self publishing, UM,

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Speaker 1: it opens up a lot of these doors and a

543
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: lot of these avenues. UM. We also had on that

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Speaker 1: UM journalist who wrote a book about the Army ranger, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Heart of a Ranger about uh ranger. Um. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to think of his name. He's the guy that Nick

547
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: Irvan credits saving his wife. Benjamin Copp. Yes, yeah, that

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00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: was That's an incredible book too. I read that one. UM.

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Speaker 1: But I encourage people to keep writing these books, and

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Speaker 1: I hope the family members will continue writing these books, UM,

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Speaker 1: so that their family member is not just a name

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Speaker 1: in age, in a rank in a list of k

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Speaker 1: I A s in this war, UM, so that people

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Speaker 1: can read about them and see who they actually were

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Speaker 1: as a man or a woman and really fully understand, um,

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Speaker 1: you know the nature of their sacrifice, because a lot

557
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Speaker 1: of times we don't necessarily watching a news report, you

558
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Speaker 1: don't understand what that what happened to that person, you know, um,

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00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: and also understanding the impact that it has on the family.

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Speaker 1: She alluded to her alluded to alluded to it herself.

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Speaker 1: And we had the other authors I think say the

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Speaker 1: same thing. These books don't really make money. Um. The

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Speaker 1: book on Benjamin cop I think he said he's lost

564
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Speaker 1: money doing Jeff Falco's book is self published. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: not making thousands or even millions of dollars. It's kind

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Speaker 1: It's just it's more about the memory of these people.

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Speaker 1: If you'll, if you'll bear with my cynicism for a moment,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's telling, isn't it That America they

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Speaker 1: want to hear the war stories, but they don't want

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Speaker 1: to hear about the real life fallout, the real life

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Speaker 1: consequences that these families go through and that these people,

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Speaker 1: these soldiers go through. Um, it's unfortunate. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of our audience does want to hear the

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Speaker 1: stuff though, so'll pick it up always my hero. It's

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Speaker 1: available on Amazon, UM and Kindle paperback. I was looking

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Speaker 1: apparently like they're about to restock. I think of the

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Speaker 1: paperback and if you left, so you guys might sell

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Speaker 1: them out after this show hopefully and you know, hopefully

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Speaker 1: it does well for Renee as well. I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about some things going on first. I do want

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Speaker 1: then Chris, our web guy, gave me the information of

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Speaker 1: how I could track people listening on the app and

641
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: the website, and it's a lot we're getting, you know,

642
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: a lot of listeners each week, more than we ever have.

643
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: How many people are listening on the app. On the

644
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: app itself, it's about half. So you know, we're getting

645
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: like somewhere around twenty thousand listened to the week on

646
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: the Yeah, on SoundCloud and RSS feed, and then kind

647
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: of you know, the same on the app. It's a

648
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: lot in tensives. Yeah, it's great to see. Um, you know,

649
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: getting between like fifty thousand and a hundred thousand listens

650
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: a week. It's just very cool. Uh. All right with that,

651
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: I want to talk about your latest article, the Green

652
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: Ray Foundation. It's funny because we were talking about, you know,

653
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: great organization helping gold Star families, Green Beret Foundation, that

654
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: seems to be a lot of inner drama a little bit. Yeah, Um,

655
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: they're working to put it behind them. Um. I know

656
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: I said when we talked about this when it first happened,

657
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: that I wasn't gonna weigh in at all, um, and

658
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: I kept getting hit up about it, and then I

659
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: got forwarded a whole bunch of legal documents. UM, there's

660
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: a lawsuit going on. But UM, anyway, I employees, I wrote,

661
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: I wrote an article today. UM. I spoke with UM,

662
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Speaker 1: you know, one of the board members at the Green

663
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Speaker 1: Beret Foundation, current board member, current board member Jason McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: UM to get, you know, some of the board's perspective

665
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: on things. And I spoke with UH Jennifer Paquette, who

666
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: was the executive director up until recently. UM and that

667
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: there there's a dispute with jen and with the board

668
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: and UM how some things went down. UM what exact

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00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: for people who don't know. There are a number of

670
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Speaker 1: claims UM that she she refutes UM and and it's

671
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: gonna end up being settled in court. UM. One of

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Speaker 1: the big ones is that she locked the Green Beret

673
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: Foundation out of their data systems, their data banks, their rosters,

674
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: UM and accounts and things like that, so that they

675
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: couldn't do business. And she says that's not true. They

676
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: always had access. UM. There's another claim that she um

677
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: broke in or otherwise unlawfully entered the Green Beret Foundations

678
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: building and removed proprietary documents. UM. She says that's also

679
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: not true, that she never did that, that she never

680
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: entered the premises. Again, these things are going to have

681
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: to be UM hashed out in court unless both parties

682
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: you know, dropped the matter UM and agree to go

683
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: you know, their separate ways. UM. But like I said,

684
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: I talked to both parties. UM. I think that you know,

685
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: they're both reasonable people at the end of the day,

686
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: and that there UM. I hope for the sake of

687
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: the you know, both of for all of those concerned,

688
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: as well as the Green Beret Foundation itself, that they're

689
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: able to kind of drop the matter, drop the lawsuits

690
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: UM and counterclaims, etcetera, etcetera, dropped the allegations, UM, and

691
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: move on. Because the Green Beret Foundation does do some

692
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: really great stuff, really do some great work to support UM,

693
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, special Forces soldiers, retired members, guys who have

694
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: left UM and need some help. UM. What else was

695
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: I going to mention with that? Oh? Yeah, So then

696
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: the other thing with that is there's a little like

697
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: social media war going on and there's UM members of

698
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: the Special Forces community. UM. I don't know if there

699
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Speaker 1: are any way associated with the Green Beret Foundation or not.

700
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: I really don't know, because they're you know, remaining anonymous

701
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: and using like these burner social media accounts, and they're

702
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: keeping fanning the flames against against Gen and against her

703
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: husband and who is also a disabled former Green Beret.

704
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: And um, someone is sending letters to the hospital where

705
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: Jen's husband works, trying to get him fired, trying to

706
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: smear his character. Just really petty, underhanded stuff, underhanded tactics

707
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: that are whichever way you fall, wherever you fall on

708
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: this matter, whatever your opinion is, um of the board

709
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: at the Green Beret Foundation or of um of Jen Paquette,

710
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: these kind of tactics are just unseemly and inappropriate and UM,

711
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: and it's wrong. It's it's another case of you know,

712
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: Green Berets eating their own. Um. It's something that we're

713
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: very good at. And UM. When I talked to Mr

714
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: McCarthy on the phone yesterday, you know, he agreed, He's like,

715
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: that's deplorable and those personal attacks are wrong and inappropriate. UM.

716
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: So I hope that you know, everyone is able to

717
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: move on from this kind of put the drama behind

718
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: them and as cliche as it sounds, the healing begin, yeah,

719
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: and do good work, I mean, because that's what it's about.

720
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: Today's helping families of green Berets, helping I believe like

721
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: homeless green Berets. I know that's more talent few. But yeah,

722
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: and uh and uh and gen and uh and Jason

723
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: McCarthy both are I think, on the same sheet of

724
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: music when it comes to that. They're both supportive of

725
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: the foundation and the good work that they do there

726
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: and um and hope that they can continue to do that. Yeah.

727
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: And and also when people are donating to a foundation,

728
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: they want to know that, you know, people are on

729
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: the same page and the money is going to a

730
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: good cause. And when they hear about drama, it's just

731
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: not what you want to hear when you're donating to

732
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: an origanization. Yeah, it's It's an unfortunate turn of events,

733
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: for sure. And again I'm still not going to weigh

734
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: in with who's right and who's wrong, because I don't know.

735
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: I've reviewed, I've reviewed the legal documents. I've looked at

736
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: the claims, the counterclaims, the filing of a temperar or

737
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: a a restraining order, um, and then the our claims

738
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: against that. And so I've gone through it, and I mean,

739
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: I don't have the facts of the matter, but I

740
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: can look at it and I can see, you know,

741
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: what both parties say, and um, I think, trying to

742
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: look at it objectively, I don't see any reason why

743
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: this puppy couldn't be put to sleep, can't be put

744
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: to bed and then move on. Um, And I hope that.

745
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: I hope that's what ends up happening. Well, So then, UM,

746
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: I saw that Leo Jenkins has a new book out

747
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: that he co authored. It's called Rise of the Unarmed Forces,

748
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: and it's actually helping to benefit education for girls in

749
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: Afghanistan part of the proceeds. So that's really cool. Pick

750
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: that up Rise of the Unarmed Forces. And I saw

751
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: that Mark Cuban said something highly of it, which you

752
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: said you believe is co author. May have been in

753
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: Shark to handles or something. I think I think Combat

754
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: flip Flops was on Shark. Yeah, and I saw a

755
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: picture of Mark Cuban with Combat flip Flops, so he

756
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: may have been an investor. I actually I don't know

757
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: who it was, but somebody from Combat flip Flops up

758
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: coached me at the shot show like years and years

759
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 1: ago now, and like I didn't. I had no idea

760
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: who they were. It was like talking. I had like

761
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: a five or six minute conversation with the guy, and

762
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: I think he was trying to tell me about one

763
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: thing and I thought it was something else and I

764
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: was talking to him about something completely different. It's just

765
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: one of those weird things. Now I now I know

766
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: who they are, what they do, and the money goes

767
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: to a good call. Yeah, yeah, it's great. Um, then

768
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: know they you know, they raised money, I believe for

769
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: for girls schools in Afghanistan. Yeah, and I think the

770
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: book is you know, doing the same things. And you know,

771
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: Leo Jenkins has been a guest on the show a

772
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: few times. He's a terrific guy. Um. So, I mean,

773
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: I think it's great that they did a book together,

774
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: and I don't I'd like to read it myself, see

775
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: what they see, what it's about. Yeah, well, I have

776
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: people booked for like, you know, months ahead of time

777
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: at this point, but I'd like to get Leo on

778
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 1: maybe in late January or February talk about the book. Yeah,

779
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: even if we can sneak him in for like ten

780
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes to to talk about the book, that'd be

781
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah, we should make it happen. Maybe his

782
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: co author as well. UM, so it's a Rise of

783
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: the Unarmed Forces. Pick that up. I've been getting a

784
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: lot of emails about suggestions for the show, some British

785
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: essay asked guys, some I d F snipers. I haven't

786
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: gotten back to everybody because, like I said, I have

787
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: like so much booked right now, and I'm just deciding

788
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: between Jack and I who do we have because we

789
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: really can have everybody on. It's just like an insane

790
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: amount of people I'm getting So I'm gonna do my

791
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: best figure out who will get on UM. But right now,

792
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: like up until late January, we have everything booked. Our

793
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: next couple of guests are going to be pretty interesting.

794
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: Clint Emerson, I'm really excited for her. And then and

795
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: then after Clint is Uh the guy. He's a guy

796
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: who UM was a big part of the agency contracting

797
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: deal that did UH personal security detachments. I know that

798
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,479
Speaker 1: he was referred to us by Dale Comstock. Yeah. Yeah,

799
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: he has a book coming out and he was a

800
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: big part of UM standing up. The predecessor of what

801
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: we now know is g R. S UM. They're like

802
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: the guys who act as the bodyguards for c I

803
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: A case officers overseas. That's gonna be great. It's gonna

804
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting. Yeah. Absolutely, a lot of awesome

805
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: people coming on. I'm excited for it. I'm always excited

806
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: for just then and Clints an interesting guy too. And

807
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: you know what, Quint, it's really perfect time to have

808
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: Quint on just this month in general with everything going

809
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: on in Saudi Arabia, because Quint was born and raised

810
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia and he's very vocal about his opposition

811
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: to everything over there, and and you know, he's he's

812
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: made some Instagram posts about like, you know, in like

813
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: his type of language, like we don't need your fucking

814
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: oil anymore. Uh, you know, we can start drilling here.

815
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: And he's he's very adamant about that type of stuff.

816
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: And I'd like to hear his opinion of you know,

817
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: the journalism stuff going on there, and and uh, Trump's response,

818
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: which I know you know people have had mixed reacts.

819
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: Were Trump just straight up set like We're not gonna

820
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: flush billions of dollars of weapons contracts down the toilet

821
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: because one dude gets killed. I was like, man, that's

822
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: like the most real, honest thing one of our presidents

823
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: has ever said about Saudi Arabia ever. Yeah, he also said,

824
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: I'm that's saying it's like morally right, but it's the

825
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 1: most honest thing we've ever heard Saudi Arabia. He also

826
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: had that tweet about, you know, oil prices keep going down,

827
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: you know, let's see it keep coming that type of thing.

828
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: It was all about the Saudia. It was in response

829
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: to the Saudi Arabia thing. But you are right in

830
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: the honesty and that We've always had a close relationship

831
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: with the Saudis, and it's always been but we always

832
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: try to lock down play it like well like wag

833
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: our finger, you know, on one hand and then on

834
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: the other we had very close relationship with them. Yeah,

835
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 1: but it's always been very hypocritical. We've had this opposition

836
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: to Islamic theocracies and uh, we need human rights in Iran,

837
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: but not Saudi Arabia. Like what the funk? Like, how

838
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: does how does this work? Yeah, it's extremely hypocritical. And

839
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: I think once again this is one of those issues

840
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: where people thought Trump would be a departure and it's

841
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: not Trump specifically. We've never seen a departure on this

842
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: issue for any administration in my lifetimes. Too big to

843
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: fail Yeah, I think that oil industry is too big

844
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: to fail absolutely all right, guys, Well, um, keep checking

845
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: this out as always Software radio dot com. If you

846
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: haven't seen the website where you know, right up the descriptions,

847
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: put up the banners which our guy Zak has been

848
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 1: doing an excellent job with and uh yeah went Emerson.

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Speaker 1: Next episode, go pick up always my hero. Yeah, thanks

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. It's another interesting show, I think for sure.

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Speaker 1: Keeping it personal, you've been listening to Self Rep Radio.

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Speaker 1: New episodes up every Wednesday and Friday. Follow the show

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and Twitter at self Rep Radio