WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Halloween Final Processing 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.280 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:11.200 My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:15.720 Listener mail. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:18.000 and we're bringing you some of the messages that you've 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:20.800 sent in over the past few weeks. Uh. I guess 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:23.040 we don't have any business right here at the top, Rob, 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.000 do you want to jump right in with this message 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:35.880 from me? How responding to our episodes on The Holy Undead? Certainly? Uh? 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.640 So me? How? Rights? Hello Joe and Robert. I hope 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.640 you're both doing well. I'm writing to you from Poland, 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.599 where all the trees are now beautifully colored, winds are 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.680 getting cold, and nights are longer and longer. I love autumn, 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.280 with its atmosphere that suits horror and folk tales so well. 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.120 I was very impressed with your two partner on the 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.760 Holy Undead, and hearing those tales and stories reminded me 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.480 of one that searched elated around my hometown. I grew 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:05.080 up in a reasonably small town in the south of Poland, 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:09.200 where you have mostly forests, hills, bogs and meadows. It's 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.880 rather picturesque, but can also get a bit spooky. My 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.840 town has a population of ten thousand people and it's 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:20.120 rather old. Oldest written record that mentions it dates back 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.400 to the fourteenth century, where it's called by its current name, 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:27.280 though in Latin. We have a few local legends around, 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.080 but one always creep me out more than the others. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.759 You see, my town has two parishes. The older one 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.959 was established in eighteen seventy and the other around the 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:41.080 nineteen eighties. Here comes the twist. It's not the old 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.800 parish that has a creepy tail attached to it, Smiley face, 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:49.120 and I assumed like sinister Smiley face. The church from 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.560 the eighties. For a long time was simply a wooden 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.800 bungalow with a cross mounted on the roof. It's been 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.520 that way until the priest that was in charge of 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.960 it raised enough money to build a new, proper temple. 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.080 He oversaw the construction and with the money that was left, 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.720 he ordered a graveyard to be built in the proximity 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.560 of the church. He was a standout man. I actually 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.240 met him as a kid. He was harsh and very devoted, 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.040 but just and good with children. But he also had 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.080 crippling diabetes and eventually he died because of it, I 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.400 will never forget his last mass, where he mumbled prayers 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.680 and could barely stand behind the altar. Like I said, 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.160 he was devoted and wouldn't let anyone talk him out 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.480 of doing his job as long as he could. Due 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.880 to reasons unknown to me, he did not consecrate the 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.280 graveyard that he built. It's widely known across my town 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.880 that he wanted to, and the fact that he didn't 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.320 was one of his biggest regrets. So the tale that 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.600 I wanted to tell you, but I felt compelled to 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.640 make into an intro to is that his restless spirit 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:51.040 haunted the graveyard demanding it be consecrated. His body was 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:53.280 actually the first one to be laid to the ground 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.840 over there, which I always found to be quite something. 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.000 So legend says that if you'd venture into the yard 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.320 at night, you could have met with the ghost of 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.600 a priest asking you to do all you can to 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.560 consecrate the land. The ghost would go on and say 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.000 that no soul will ever leave the place until it's 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:15.960 properly consecrated. Eventually, the new priest came over and the 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.360 first thing he did was he went to the graveyard 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.160 with a bucket of Holy Water smiley faith. Uh, it 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.239 must have laid the old priest spirit to rest, because 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.320 all the accounts of him haunting the place ended there. 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.040 I've never seen the ghost nor went to the cemetery 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:31.720 at night, but I know a lot of folks who 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.639 swear they've seen the apparition. When I was a kid, 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.640 I believed it without asking any questions. Now, though, I 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.000 think of it as a creepy and wholesome tale from 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:43.040 an otherwise quite boring corner of the world. I hope 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.600 this email wasn't too long and you've found some entertainment 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:49.960 reading it. Stay spooky and happy Halloween. Me. How wow, 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:54.720 So a a thoroughly authentic modern story of the pious undead. 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.320 This is quite similar to the to the tales we 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.640 were talking about in the episodes. Yeah, this is quite 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:02.840 a treat. Uh. The one thing I like in this 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.640 one is that it's one of those ghost stories that 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:10.440 involves the ghosts specifically asking the living to do something 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.960 on behalf of the ghost. I don't think any of 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.160 the other tales had that, or maybe I'm forgetting one 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.600 and the other ones were just like get out of here, 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:22.680 this is it's ghost time. Now you know Nimes, Yeah exactly, 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:27.120 no humans allowed, but this one it seems to suggest 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:31.159 a supernatural set of rules, including the idea that a 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.880 graveyard that is not yet consecrated is like a prison 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.520 for ghosts, that the spirits cannot leave until it's consecrated, 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.800 and he needs the new priest to throw the holy 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.520 water on. Yeah. This is neat because it also ligns 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.800 up with a lot of modern ghost stories and ghost 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.600 media where ghost is doing something and it's and it 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:50.640 leads to the question, well, what can we do to 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.400 fix this? Let's fix this? And I feel like some 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.040 of the better ghost stories, like something say The Ring, 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.760 subvert this by ultimately the answer of being nothing like you. 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.120 You You may think you can reason with the undead, 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.839 that you cannot. Uh. This reminds me a lot of 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:06.400 some of the stuff we talked about in the Least, 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.800 the episode from last year that I believe we recently 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.360 re ran, where we talked about the idea of the wilderness, 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:14.880 like the older idea of the wilderness often being one 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.919 where it's it's wild out there. It maybe it has rules, 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.200 but it's not rules you can understand, um, And we 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.080 get into a more modern understand where it's like, oh, 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.800 we know them basically how they the wild work, and 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.159 we can we can you know, try and do things 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.760 to to follow those laws or fix things, etcetera. And 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:33.479 I wonder if we see a similar thing here with 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:37.520 the with the idea of the wild world of the Spirits. Yeah, 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.599 that's interesting, And you mentioned the Ring. I mean, I 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:41.120 think there are a few stories I can think of. 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:45.440 They're sort of like this where um, where if there 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.919 is a logic to the wild World of the Spirits 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.840 and there are rules there, the extent to which you 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:55.120 can grasp the rules and leverage them is only enough 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.960 to sort of like get you personally out of trouble, 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.960 not to sort of make everything right eight, which ultimately 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.280 is the resolution in the Ring. Right, it's the you know, 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.120 you can't really like fix the problem. You can only 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.760 sort of help the help the evil spread, and that 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.119 will at least save your skin for the time being. 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.039 All Right. This next message comes from Matt. This is 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.919 on our pair of episodes on the invention of the chainsaw. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:28.960 Matt says, good day, Fellas regarding your sawe adjacent chainsaw episodes, 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.600 which were excellent. I thought you'd be interested to hear 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:36.440 about a particularly interesting and potentially deadly chainsaw slash logging 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:40.880 related phenomenon known as the barber chair. The name alone 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.760 falls in line with the seasonal theme. I think a 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.760 barber chair refers to a particular result of improperly cutting 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:51.760 the front hinge point of a tree, causing unintended pressure 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.160 in the middle of the trunk elsewhere. I'm not a professional, 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.000 so please take this description with a large pinch of salt. 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:02.760 The result is that the tree splits upwards and falls 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:07.920 somewhere overhead of the intended felling notch, and not necessarily 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.600 in the direction intended. I've seen it happen on smaller 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:15.000 trees while cutting trails through the bush. Even small ones 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.120 can still be dangerous, but I imagine it's quite scary. 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.280 On larger ones. It can also ruin what would otherwise 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:25.160 be good lumber. There are many reasons professional arborists warn 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.760 people about the dangers of an improperly cut hinge. Maybe 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.640 someday a horror director will utilize the barber's chair on film. 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:36.160 Thanks for the episode, Matt, uh and so, Matt, I 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.760 had no idea about this. Thank you for letting us know, 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.160 because I looked this up and it is astonishing and scary. 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:46.560 So it is as Matt describes, for in some cases, 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.480 you can be sawing horizontally into the trunk of a tree, 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.960 and if the circumstances are right, the tree can start 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.840 to fall over before you have cut all the way through, 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:03.000 and this leads to the the trunk splitting vertically, so 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.119 like part of the trunk peels off of the rest 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.680 of the trunk and flips up like a like a 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.000 hinge or like a like a trap lever, sort of 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.160 springing up out of nowhere. And I've seen I've watched 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.560 some videos of this happening in real time while people 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.160 are taping themselves sawing through trees, which I guess is 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.440 you have to be lucky enough to be recording the 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.960 sawing through anyway, which would normally not be something that 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.679 people would think to film. But uh yeah, it looks 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.000 really scary when it happens suddenly, like the tree starts 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.520 kind of twisting in a way that isn't expected. And 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.360 in both of the cases I saw the the sawyer 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.800 who's working the chainsaw gets out of the way fast 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.960 enough to not be harmed. But I've also seen illustrations 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.120 of how loggers could be killed by this. For example, 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:49.040 if the hinge that pops up when the trunk splits 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.400 up the vertical axis, it can basically pop up like 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.960 a big you know, a big smacking arm and like 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.360 hit you in the head and kill you. Yeah, I hope. 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.480 One of the big takeaways from our chainsaw episodes and 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.280 these are I think things that were that either I 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.280 kind of learned or were you know, strengthened for me. 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.679 Is that Okay? In our culture, we might think that 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.560 that the saw the chainsaw is kind of our right, 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.240 you know that it's like, of course I need a chainsaw, 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.640 or I should get a chainsaw, or something needs sawing 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.560 in my backyard. I should just go get one, and 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:21.760 I can do this. But you know, regardless of what 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.280 your decision happens to be on a matter like that, like, 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.160 respect the saw. Respect the fact that it is a 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.719 tool that can can potentially be dangerous or put you 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.440 in a dangerous position, and uh, you know you should 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.520 you should absolutely take it seriously. Yeah, the saw and 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:40.000 the tree. Respect the tree. Yeah, yeah, because the tree 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:41.920 too is one of those things where when the tree 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:45.960 is is healthy and standing up still as they do 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.040 most of the time, it's easy to forget, like how 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:53.160 dangerous they can be if they are suddenly in motion. Yeah, exactly, 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.079 And and especially in this case, if they're in motion 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.360 in a way that you didn't expect. So you may 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.439 be taking proper safety p cautions in in terms of 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.080 no one being down line of the tree in the 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.600 direction that you're expecting it to fall. But if you 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.720 have one of these barber chair incidents, the tree could 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:13.320 be exerting sudden violent force and directions that you did 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:18.200 not plan. Yeah. Now, as for seeing the barber chair 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:19.839 in a horror movie, I I don't really want to 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.480 see that. I think if you were to tell me, yes, 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.280 we finally we've made a chainsaw horror movie and it's 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:31.880 about realistic chainsaw injuries and chainsaw related fatalities, I feel like, no, 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.080 that does not sound good. You keep your final destination chainsaw. 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.160 Maybe I'm trying to imagine how that would be used 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.559 in a plot. I mean, like, is there a pivotal 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.800 tree cutting down scene, Like his leather face chasing somebody 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:45.360 and he has to cut down a tree to get 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.800 to them, but then the barber chair smacks him and 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.120 defeats him. Um, you know, I'll tell you what if 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.280 someone his heart set on creating a film like this, 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.120 I'll tell you that Michael Shay wrote a short story 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.480 I think it's called Uncle Tugs that had some some 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.720 chainsaw mishaps in it because the plot had to do 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:07.600 with like loggers in northern California, and there was like 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.640 a grow house and also some sort of vengeful ghost, 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.600 and I believe the vengeful ghost was causing some accidents 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.839 to occur, and so that would actually be a pretty 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.680 decent story if someone wanted to find some sort of 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.320 narrative structure in which to fit a whole bunch of 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:32.360 chainsaw accidents. Well, speaking of chainsaw accidents, the next message 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.080 that we're going to read also does mention these, so 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:39.480 before warned. All right, this is from Kenneth Hi Robin Joe. 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.400 Excellent episode on the invention and history of the chainsaw. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.600 I had been planning to write in a few days ago, 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.760 but the unexpectedly early birth of our first child put 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:52.880 thoughts of an email on the back burner. Congratulations. Kenneth continues, 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.040 I had a couple of thoughts regarding chainsaws, the first 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.600 of which was the dramatic and near fatal experience of 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.960 a friend's husband, a tree surgeon by trade, he was 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.320 at work removing heavy, overhanging bows from a large urban oak. 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.920 The section who was working on was high above the streets, 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.840 so he ascended using a cherry picker, then made his 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.440 way through the branches and secured himself to the trunk 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.240 with a harness. Unfortunately, at some point in the tree's 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.440 long history something substantial had been secured to the branch. 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.880 As it grew, It had entirely absorbed a thick steel bolt. 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.040 When his chainsaw reached the hidden metal, it kicked back violently, 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:32.040 biting deep into his thigh and nicking the femoral artery. 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.240 It was only through the quick thinking of his colleague, 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.559 the speedy arrival of the fire service, and close proximity 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.960 to a hospital that his life was saved. Oh, this 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.240 gets right into something you mentioned in the episodes that 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.120 the one of the main sources of direct injuries from 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.800 chainsaws being kicked back. Yeah. And here, yeah, this sound, 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:55.360 this unseen metal hidden within the tree branch. And yeah, 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.200 you do see plenty of this in a not only 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.920 in an urban environment, even rural environment. You see you 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:04.400 see trees growing around metal be it. Uh, you know weird. 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.400 I've certainly seen weird poles position near trees and on trees, 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:13.240 and you see trees growing in and around fencing. So 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:19.040 that's that's interesting and terrifying. I'm glad they turned out Okay, Yeah, 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.000 the tree just swallows stuff. So yes, like Rob said, 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.560 very glad to hear your your friend's husband was all right? 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:28.000 Can it continues my second thoughts since the Texas chainsaw 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:31.199 massacre and the Evil Dead were so central to the episode, 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.080 uh was about chainsaws as weapons? I know Rob has 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.440 a bit of a soft spot for games workshop models, 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.280 and it's impossible to talk about Warhammer forty thousand without 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:44.320 considering a space marine welding a chain sword. I've included 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:48.640 a photograph of a space marine apothecary, basically a battlefield medic, 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.400 bearing one of these weapons. If you look closely at 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.439 his wrist, you'll notice he's also equipped with a smaller 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.440 medical chainsaw, though I'm assuming this is for on the 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:02.120 spot amputations rather than obstetric I'm assuming that the space 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:07.400 marine apothecary is not strongly informed by real life medical science. No. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.480 I think if memory serves, one of his primary jobs 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.160 is to remove the gene seed from a corpse. I 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:17.600 don't know that the real lore masters out there. We'll 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.480 have to uh tell me if I'm correct on that. 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.840 So I'm not even sure he's supposed to save lives 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.400 as much as like, let's get that important uh gene 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.800 thinging out of the dead body. Um. Anyways, the space 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.360 Marine apothecary does not have a Hippocratic oath. Probably not, 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.520 Kenneth continues, I'm not sure a chain sword would be 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:39.880 a particularly effective weapon. You probably couldn't use it like 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.640 a traditional sword, as pairing and violent striking attacks would 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.440 cause damage to the mechanism. It would probably have to 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:50.480 be brought to bear on vulnerable points without great chopping swings. 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:52.960 I do enjoy the idea of the chain sword as 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.200 a futuristic melee weapon. It's in the vein of the 0:14:55.280 --> 0:15:00.480 viral blade, lightsaber and monofilament edges of other sci fi weapons, 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.800 but it is typically over the top, fitting the brutality 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.480 of the grim Dark setting better. It brims with the 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.680 implication you alluded to that the weapon itself is hungry, 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.000 that the only the slightest touch can cause catastrophic damage, 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.160 even getting away from the user. In its eagerness to 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:18.160 be about its purpose. It is a brutal weapon, unlike 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.440 the more civilized lightsaber, even though the latter would be 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:25.160 even more devastating. Anyway, Thanks for the amazing show. Keep 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.200 up the great work, Kenneth. It sounds like Kenneth throwing 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:34.040 cold water on my Texas lightsaber massacre idea. Yeah, well, 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:35.720 you know, it would be uh well, it would be 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.920 a lot of clean cuts, that's the thing. As for 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:42.200 the chain swords, I actually did have a note about 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.880 chain swords in the notes for our chainsall episodes, but 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.000 then I decided not to say anything about it because 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.560 I'm like, God, they don't want to hear anything about 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:53.320 Warhammer in this episode. But but not true enough. There 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.160 there are a lot of chain swords in there. I'm 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:59.320 not sure. Surely chain swords pop up another fiction, um, 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.160 but this is the main in place you see them. Yeah, 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.600 I don't think they would particularly be practical weapons, even 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.760 if you try to explain them away with a bunch 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.840 of like, you know, high tech materials and you know, uh, 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.280 you know, super well designed um uh you know, chain 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:17.000 and so forth. But it does fit this sort of 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:22.320 this grim you know, at times overly macho vibe that 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.720 that Warhammer forty has going for it and probably ties 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.080 in well to a lot of the you know, the satire. 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.920 I think that was originally intended by the world. But anyway, Kenneth, 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:43.920 thanks for writing in, and once more, congrats on the kiddo. Okay, Rob, 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.000 you ready for a couple of messages having to do 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.720 with weird house cinema, or at least adjacent to it. 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:51.760 Let's do it. Okay, let's see how about this one 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:55.920 from Nathan Nathan says Hi, Joe, Robert, and Seth. I 0:16:55.960 --> 0:17:00.840 was recently watching the cinematic masterpiece Christine. Not long after 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.720 re listening to your episode on The Ship of Theseus, 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.920 which is one of my favorites, I started wondering about 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.480 the lore of the movie. And if you're not familiar, 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.960 this is a movie about I don't know, a demonic car. 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.760 That guy, a guy has a kind of unhealthy obsessive 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.960 relationship with Okay, moving on. If the car had been 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:23.160 completely restored every single part, would it still be so murderous? 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.080 Or is the car possessed on a deeper level? We're 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:30.480 asking the tough questions here, uh, Nathan Nathan then says, 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.200 I also really enjoyed your recent episodes on the invention 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.080 of the chainsaw. However, I can't believe you didn't mention 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:40.600 Paul Bunyan. The nineteen fifty eight Disney short is a classic, 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.440 even for someone like me who isn't the biggest Disney fan. Anyway, 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:46.600 you guys do a great job, and again, thanks for 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:51.320 keeping me entertained on my boring overnight grocery job. Nathan. Well, Nathan, 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.560 I did not have time to watch the whole short 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.160 before we uh we started recording here, but I clicked 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.879 around and saw some moments of it. One of the 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.879 things that really got me is it starts off by 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.119 and I love the animation style, by the way, so 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.800 it does look great. But it starts off by showing 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:11.359 a shadow of the title hero, Paul Bunyan, looming over 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.359 a map of North America, and I noticed something I 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.280 thought was really interesting. I was like, Wow, they chose 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.840 to depict Paul Bunyan with long hair that he wears 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.320 in a bun And I was like, could that be 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:27.239 a choice connected to the name Bunyan. But then I 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.840 realized I had simply been misled by the silhouette he's 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.520 actually wearing some kind of wool cap that has like 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.640 a pom pom or a gathered up section on the top, 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.280 so he doesn't have a bun. But I thought that 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.520 would have been cool. Um, And I guess, you know, 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.400 in the broader sense, not that unusual. Tons of kinds 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:47.480 of like bun and topknot hairstyles have been common for 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.320 men and plenty of cultures throughout history. But would it 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.320 would have been interesting to see Paul Bunyan in a 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:56.720 cartoon from the fifties with a bun alas I vaguely 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.080 remember this cartoon looking at these stills, but I guess 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.080 it's not one that I watched a lot, or maybe 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.479 we didn't have on VHS. Yeah, I think it's like 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.320 seventeen minutes long, So I don't know what was the 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.560 venue for showing things like this in the fifties. It's 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:13.240 like shorter than I obviously much shorter than a feature 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.679 length movie. Would this like play in a movie theater 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.560 or play like before a feature film? I don't know. 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.040 That sounds like a question for our producer, Seth, what 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.960 do you know? Reporting from from a few minutes later, 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.959 Seth did have the answer Seth knows everything about animation. Well, 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.040 I don't want to put too much pressure on him, 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.040 but he does often have the answer here. Uh so, 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:39.800 apparently these shorts were originally compiled into feature films and 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.199 uh so, you know you'd have Paul Bunyan alongside some 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:45.800 other shorts of a similar type and and that would 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.320 be shown as a feature in theaters. But then later 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.760 I guess they were split up and shown in other ways. 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.040 But also, like I said, I did not have time 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.199 to watch this whole thing. But skipping around, there is 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:59.840 a fun scene where Paul Bunyan walks through a four 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:03.040 and he's just mowing down trees by swinging his axe 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.760 back and forth like it's a weed eater, and then 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.440 he walks back over the ground he has cut down, 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.680 stomping on all of the stumps to to sink them 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:15.040 down into the earth. And uh and also Nathan doesn't 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:16.560 mention it, but I assume this is part of what 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:18.840 he's referring to as saying that this would have been 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:22.080 a good thing to fit into our episode on the Chainsaw, 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.320 because there's a part where Paul Bunyan it looks like 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.560 he has to compete against a guy who shows up 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.880 with a steam powered saw. So it's like, yeah, it's 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.720 the war against the machines, though shot not make a 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:36.960 saw in the likeness of man now. As for his 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:40.440 Christine question, I don't know. That's that's always a fun one. 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:43.199 At what point if you were to totally strip the 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.320 car apart for parts, you know, would would those parts 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.160 make other cars haunted? I don't know. You could also 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:52.359 apply this to a haunted house story. So if you 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.920 were to tear down the house and rebuild the house 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:59.240 in the same spot, is it still haunted? Often I 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:01.960 think movies would say yes, just maybe, like the ground 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:03.840 is haunted. What if you dug up all the ground 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.240 and moved to the earth away, is it still the 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:11.280 geographical coordinance or haunted? Yeah? I don't know. I guess 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.359 the idea is there's gotta be something that latches onto 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.400 the idea of the ghost. You know, it's there's gotta 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.879 be some something where there's a forge connection. So if 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:22.159 you took the car apart, like the ghost would have 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.440 to in a sense choose the thing that he wanted 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.679 to continue to haunt, because that's our a call. In 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:30.359 the book, it's more about like there's a dude, a 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:32.800 dead dude who haunts the car. And then in the 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:34.919