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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 3: for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal, Indeed we do.

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Speaker 1: We got lots of data about who actually, quote unquote

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Speaker 1: won the debate and what impact, if any, it's going

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Speaker 1: to have on the polls. We'll break all of that

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Speaker 1: the big Trump mugshot, much awaited, I feel like on

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Speaker 1: talk to you about that and what it means. We've

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Speaker 1: pretty interesting actually, so we'll get into that. Also, some

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Speaker 1: So we'll get into all of that. And Oliver Anthony

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Speaker 3: So with that, what do the other people's focus groups say?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I think the biggest question, you know, since

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Speaker 1: from skipping this debate? The signals are mixed at best.

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Speaker 2: The benefit that he has is that of those sixty

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Speaker 2: the overall debate. From the Washington Post, we have this,

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Speaker 2: But the major bump for Ramaswami has not yet has

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they also tested all of the candidates favorability that

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Speaker 2: Keep in mind this is seven hundred and fifty registered voters,

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Speaker 1: You think the abortion point is an interesting one to

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Speaker 1: pick up on because the ad that the Biden campaign

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Speaker 1: released after the debates was about abortion. It wasn't about generously,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't about Trump arrass it wasn't about any of that.

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Speaker 1: It was they took clips of Trump saying I'm the

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Speaker 1: one who overturned Roe versus Wade, and then they cut

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Speaker 1: together some of the more extreme positions that were taken

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Speaker 1: from GOP candidates on the debate stage, and that's what

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Speaker 1: they released. And clearly they think that continues to be

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Speaker 1: the most potent evocative issue for them. And it's an

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Speaker 1: interesting one because you know, if you pull voters, that's

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Speaker 1: not going to be the top issue for the largest

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Speaker 1: percentage of voters. But the people who are motivated by

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Speaker 1: that are really motivated by it. And we you know,

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Speaker 1: at this point, we've seen it in multiple elections, certainly

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Speaker 1: that Wisconsin Supreme Court election. We had one recently in

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Speaker 1: Ohio that was a big deal. We've actually got another

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Speaker 1: one coming up in Pennsylvania that's going to be a

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Speaker 1: big deal for another state Supreme Court seat. So they

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Speaker 1: still feel like that, you know. And the thing is,

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Speaker 1: it's not like the Biden Minister's human They're not even

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Speaker 1: promising to do anything on the issue. They're just promising

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Speaker 1: to not make things worse and arguing that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Republicans, whether it's Trump or anybody else, would make

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Speaker 1: things worse. So I do think that's going to continue

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Speaker 1: you to be really central. You're referring to some of

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Speaker 1: the numbers here about how Americans feel about all of

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Speaker 1: these various charges. Let's put this up on the screen

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Speaker 1: because this is kind of fascinating. On each of the

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Speaker 1: different charges and indictments, a majority actually thinks that he

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Speaker 1: is guilty. The numbers are extremely similar. No matter whether

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Speaker 1: it is what I consider to be the weakest case,

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Speaker 1: the false buying business records case, or the sensitive documents case.

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Speaker 1: Or either of the election sub version, whether it's the

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Speaker 1: Georgia or the federal one. You're basically sitting at fifty

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Speaker 1: percent of the country who say, yes, he did it,

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Speaker 1: he is guilty, and only about twenty five percent in

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Speaker 1: each of these instances who say no, he's innocent. The

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Speaker 1: rest are sort of like, I don't know, and so

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Speaker 1: I feel like that that twenty five percent is the real,

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Speaker 1: like those are the real, like hardcore Trump could never

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Speaker 1: do anything wrong. And then you know, as we've been

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Speaker 1: saying from the beginning, as much as it's important and

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Speaker 1: we try our best here to dig into the merits

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Speaker 1: and you know, have nuance that evaluate each claim and

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Speaker 1: each indictment as they come, the reality is, for most

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Speaker 1: Americans it's just a measure of how do I feel

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Speaker 1: about time exactly right, as like all of our politics

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Speaker 1: basically is just about how do you feel about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: It's important for people to take that.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, we spend a lot of time going

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Speaker 2: through the various merits because we know it's going to

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Speaker 2: eventually matter in a court of law. But in terms

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Speaker 2: of how most people are going to digest it, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean they don't care. They don't care about Alvin

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Speaker 2: Bragg and the DA. They don't care about the technicalities

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Speaker 2: of Georgia election law. They don't care about January sixth

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Speaker 2: and the free speech exception and all that those are

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Speaker 2: for us. And you know, the developments of which will

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Speaker 2: be very important, don't get me wrong in terms of

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Speaker 2: whether he can you know, actually gets convicted, what the

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Speaker 2: jury makeup is going to look like, what the judge says,

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Speaker 2: the trial date, all of those are very important.

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Speaker 3: But the straight up like is he bad or is

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Speaker 3: he good? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean that pretty much reflected the various and the

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Speaker 2: number and the lack of change in between every single

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Speaker 2: one of them just shows like you've got a lot

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Speaker 2: of people in this country I hate Trump and they

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Speaker 2: just want to see him go away. I think they

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Speaker 2: see the legal system as an avenue in order to

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Speaker 2: make him go away. It's like a forcing mechanism. Well,

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Speaker 2: I think they're like, yeah, I support that.

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Speaker 1: I think they also genuinely see him as a criminal.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so.

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Speaker 1: I think there's also a little bit of like the

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Speaker 1: you know, al Capone getting him on tax fraud, tax cheating.

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Speaker 1: It's like whether it's for the thing that I really

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Speaker 1: am mad at him, about or whether it's for a

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Speaker 1: more superfluous issue, whatever it is, like, I think this

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Speaker 1: guy is a criminal. I think he should face accountability.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not too troubled with the details.

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Speaker 1: I just want to see him get his Basically.

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Speaker 3: I absolutely think you're correct.

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Speaker 2: But as you alluded to, though, it has going to

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Speaker 2: stopped his supporters from issuing some of the most fawning coverage.

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Speaker 1: Of Yees around Fox News. There's basically like a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a competition to be the most funning in

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Speaker 1: praise of the mugshot, how handsome it was, how tough

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Speaker 1: and strong he looked, et cetera. I think it's pretty

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Speaker 1: fair to say Jesse Waters one that competition. Let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and listen to what he had to say about

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Speaker 1: the mugshot.

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Speaker 4: And I am now going to book the Fulton County

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Speaker 4: photographer for my Christmas card because Judge, and I say

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Speaker 4: this with a unblemished record of heterosexuality, he looks good

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Speaker 4: and he looks hard. And why would you think that

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Speaker 4: you wouldn't practice the shot? Is that a surprise? Of course,

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Speaker 4: you practiced the mug shot. You only don't practice if

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Speaker 4: you're drunk. That's the first time Biden's told the truth.

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Speaker 4: It's a handsome mug shot. My wife says, he looks fierce.

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Speaker 4: He looks hard, but he doesn't look scared does he

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Speaker 4: doesn't look humiliated.

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Speaker 3: He looks exactly the opposite of how the left thought

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Speaker 3: he'd look.

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Speaker 4: So the media, once they observed the impact of the image,

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Speaker 4: now say it wasn't natural, it wasn't authentic, because the

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Speaker 4: look was planned.

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Speaker 1: Unblemished record of heterosexuality there. His wife says, he looks fierce.

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Speaker 1: Jesse says repeatedly, he looks hard. What do you think

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Speaker 1: is harder?

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Speaker 3: I'm just like, how many times do we have to

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Speaker 3: say it?

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Speaker 2: My man?

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Speaker 3: What are we exactly are we trying to do here?

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Speaker 1: It's just just like kind of judge for themselves.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, in terms of the face, the funny

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Speaker 2: thing is, having covered Trump for years at the White House,

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Speaker 2: I knew exactly what he was doing because that's the

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Speaker 2: exact same face that he gave in the president shot

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Speaker 2: for his official portrait. Most presidents in their official picture

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Speaker 2: always smile, I think Obama did, or they offer like

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Speaker 2: a slight smile, and Trump famously gave the frown. The

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Speaker 2: reason why is he models it on the famous Churchill

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Speaker 2: photo that was taken in the middle of the Battle

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Speaker 2: of Britain, where Churchill is kind of scowl frowning at

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Speaker 2: the camera as like the stolid like face against Nazism

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Speaker 2: as Britain is beseeched, and he's obsessed with that particular photo,

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Speaker 2: so he doesn't smile in most like official communicats. There's

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Speaker 2: another reason he's also not smiling actually in his official

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Speaker 2: presidential portrait as well. But yeah, I mean I just

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Speaker 2: think it's it's hilarious because I saw that and I

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Speaker 2: was like, Oh, that's Churchill face.

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Speaker 3: I'm like the face he's obsessed with. As for whether

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Speaker 3: he practiced it or not, I mean, he's.

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Speaker 2: Basically been doing it since he's been in politics, So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he just reverted back to the norm.

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Speaker 1: Listen, if I was going to be in a photograph

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Speaker 1: that like literally everyone in the entire planet was going

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Speaker 1: to see, I would probably practice that face. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got to play these things out, you know. I

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Speaker 1: think there is like to go one level deeper analysis

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Speaker 1: than Jesse waters here and his just like shameless funning

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Speaker 1: propaganda for Trump. Fox News, led by Rupert Murdock obviously

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Speaker 1: wants to move on from I'm talking today in my

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Speaker 1: monologue about how they're like really into Nicky Haley and

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Speaker 1: all the Fox and Friends people were like talk him,

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Speaker 1: how she owned vi, vag and Homer love her and

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Speaker 1: she's so great and all her terrible Neocon views are

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Speaker 1: so amazing and wonderful. And Wall Street Journal has now

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Speaker 1: published multiple post debate editorials fawning over Nicky Haley as well.

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Speaker 1: Like Rupert Murdock previously really wanted to go all in

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Speaker 1: onto Santis, there's still Ruper's body wants to get collect

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Speaker 1: youngkin in the race, like he wants to move on,

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of Republican elite media figures who

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Speaker 1: really want to move on. But you can see in

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Speaker 1: moments like this, I mean, their audience is so enthralled

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Speaker 1: with Trump. You're just never going to be able to

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Speaker 1: really turn that ship. And whatever ability Fox used to

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Speaker 1: have to really guide the Republican masses towards the candidates

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Speaker 1: and policies and direction that they wanted to move them in,

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Speaker 1: it's just not there anymore. I Mean, you've got a

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Speaker 1: much more fractured media landscape. People have a lot more choices,

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Speaker 1: and Trump has a much firmer hold on the hearts

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Speaker 1: of the Republican base than previous presidential candidates or other

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Speaker 1: GOP politicians ever did. So you know, they can't even

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Speaker 1: like kind of get all of their hosts rowing in

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Speaker 1: the same direction, let alone they're viewing audience.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, right, Yeah, it's just it's pretty humiliating though,

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Speaker 2: just to see that. Also because don't forget, Waters took

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Speaker 2: over the Tucker Carlson spot on Fox and hasn't been

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Speaker 2: able yet to assemble similar numbers in terms of primetime,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, well, it turns out that's the best

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Speaker 2: strategy that works for Fox News Prime.

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Speaker 1: Shameless Trump fawning rights record. You couldn't pay enough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, truly, you really could not. Okay, let's move on.

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Speaker 2: We got to talk about Progosion. So I did a

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Speaker 2: breaking news segment about progosion whenever the crash actually happened.

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Speaker 2: There's now various explanations for what happened to Progosian's plane.

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Speaker 2: I think what everyone can agree on is that he

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Speaker 2: is dead. So what exactly happened, Well, you can guess.

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Speaker 2: Intel sources tell us there was a blast on board

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Speaker 2: the plane. Others tell us he was hit by a

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Speaker 2: Service to air missile. One thing for sure, he was

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Speaker 2: definitely on board that flight with multiple other actually innocent people,

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Speaker 2: including a poor flight attendant. Actually, we didn't do anything

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Speaker 2: wrong and who was blown out of the sky. We

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Speaker 2: have all the video of the plane coming, crashing and smoking,

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Speaker 2: you know, crashing down on a routine flight from Moscow

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Speaker 2: to Saint Petersburg. Putin is now offering his condolences to

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Speaker 2: Progosion after his untimely death. Let's take a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a listen to that. Let's go and play this

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Speaker 2: and I will speak over. He says, quote, if Wagner

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Speaker 2: members were on board, as the report suggests, I would

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Speaker 2: like to acknowledge that these people did make a significant

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Speaker 2: contribution to our joint fight against the neo Nazi regime

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Speaker 2: in Ukraine. Clearly they're sticking to the rhetoric that he's

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Speaker 2: been keeping up against Progosian. They also had previously said

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Speaker 2: Krystal that they'd used genetic test DNA in order to

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Speaker 2: confirm he was on board there. In terms of continuing,

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Speaker 2: he says, quote, I have known Progosian for a long time.

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Speaker 2: He made some serious mistakes in his life, but also

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Speaker 2: achieved a lot both for himself when I asked for

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Speaker 2: our joint cause like in these recent months. Recall that

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Speaker 2: he was actually Putin's chef after previously serving as a

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Speaker 2: prisoner and then built himself up into a military oligarch.

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Speaker 3: He says, quote he was a.

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Speaker 2: Talented man and a skilled businessman, offering him up some praise.

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Speaker 2: I think we could say relatively confidently. I guess, I

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Speaker 2: hope the Russians don't sue us, is that he probably

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Speaker 2: had something to do.

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Speaker 3: With the death. Mister Pregosion.

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Speaker 2: You can be the guest, you can give the ultimate guests.

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Speaker 2: One interesting thing, though, is about what Pregosion was actually

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Speaker 2: thinking and what was in his mind.

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Speaker 3: Why did he think that he would be the exception

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Speaker 3: to the rule and would live?

651
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: And you know, in some respects Crystal, some Russian traders,

652
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: oligarchs and others who have betrayed Putin, it takes a

653
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: while for them to die. Sometimes they'll give him a year,

654
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: sometimes they'll give him two years. You know, most some

655
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: cases they give him eight years. Progosion was actually killed

656
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: very relatively quickly for somebody who had so betrayed Putin.

657
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: I think it was because it was so public and

658
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: such an international humiliation to launch the Cup against him.

659
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: But there's always been a question of why did he

660
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: turn around? You know, I said during the segment, it's like,

661
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: if you're going to take Vienna, then you got to

662
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: take it, man. But when you turn around, like, why

663
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: did you think that Putin was ever going to let

664
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: you live? Let's go and put this up there on

665
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: the screen. Some of it does come back to his

666
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: overall leadership of the Wagner Group and some of the

667
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: people who were actually loyal to him. We have this

668
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: from Wall Street Journal, the quote the last days of

669
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: Wagner's progotion quote on the run, the Parati military chief

670
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: crisscrossed his global business empire. Desperate to show that he

671
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: was still in control, he said, quote, I need more gold.

672
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: He had spent some time in Africa, the Central African Republic,

673
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: for example, where one of his first clients for the

674
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: Matt Wagner Group company several thousand people who were there.

675
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: He'd crisscrossed and traversed. He had told various other people

676
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: that things were fine with Putin. But you know, at

677
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: the same time, he also seemed to indicate he didn't

678
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: know Crystal that he was in danger, and so the

679
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: portrait that emerges here is he was kind of frantic

680
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: trying to shore up his position. I think he saw

681
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: himself as a projection of Russian power through the Wagner Group,

682
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: through a lot of its military operations in Africa and

683
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: in Syria, and he was trying to make.

684
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 3: Himself indispensable to the Putin regime.

685
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: And though he had launched a coup against them, and

686
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: then ultimately and it was killed after only a matter

687
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: of months after launching this coup against Putin. So the

688
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: entire thing is really surreal to see Putin like fake

689
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: mourn him.

690
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

691
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: I mean I wonder, I really wonder, because Russians aren't stupid.

692
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: To ordinary Russian They're like, yeah, he was obviously killed

693
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: by Putin. Why do they put up this whole song

694
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: and dance.

695
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 3: I'm just not even sure why it's necessary.

696
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot about this that I don't that I

697
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: have trouble wrapping my head around. I mean, I don't

698
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: know why he ever thought he was going to be

699
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: able to be successful with the coup in the first place.

700
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 5: I do know.

701
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: On you, but once you start man, you can't stop.

702
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: Like we said at the time, this man is not

703
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: going to a little long life right now. I didn't

704
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: think it was going to come this quickly. I thought

705
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: it'd be years down the road. By the time people

706
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: had sort of like forgotten this incident and moved on.

707
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: You'd see a footnote in the New York Times or

708
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: wherever saying that he had been assassinated, poisoned, you know,

709
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: push down a window, whatever, or fell to an untimely

710
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: death out of a window. It seems to happen to

711
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: a number of these Russian oligarchs. For it to be

712
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: this quick and this really brazen is quite remarkable. But

713
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 1: that makes sense to me because Putin is trying to

714
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, reassert dominance, reassert control, et cetera. I do

715
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: not understand why Progotion thought that this deal would hold up.

716
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: I do not undernderstand why he still felt at liberty

717
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: to fly around and try to keep his his control

718
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: over the Wagner Group, his control over these various interests,

719
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: especially you know, around Africa and the Middle East. Clearly,

720
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: the Kremlin had been trying to kind of take over

721
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: the business operations that Wagner had previously been leading, but

722
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: they say that Progosion refused to retire quietly. In that

723
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal piece, Chris Costing the Middle East, Eastern Europe,

724
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: in Africa, in a bid to keep his business links alive,

725
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: posted audio messages offering mercenaries to the military regime that

726
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: had recently taken power in Niger, a video of himself

727
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: and Molly posing with the sniper rifle and four magazines

728
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: strapped to a bullet proof vest, vowing to quote make

729
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: Russia even greater in Africa even more free. So why

730
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: did he feel at liberty to do these things? I

731
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: mean to just like basically have a death wish? Did he,

732
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, really feel like he had that level of

733
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: understanding with Putin where he could really trust his word,

734
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: et cetera. I don't know a lot about it is

735
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: still very perplexing.

736
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: You can you know, I mean, you can just remind

737
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: is it takes a certain personality to be a global

738
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 2: mercenary head warlord, cutting people's heads off and stuff inside Ukraine.

739
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: It takes a certain personality to survive in Putin's Russia,

740
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: to rise from chef to oligarch, to kiss ass to megalomaniac,

741
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: to warrior to coup. You know, sometimes people are actually very.

742
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: Not rational at all.

743
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: So it's true you can see here, like with him,

744
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: it seemed a delusional In many cases, the delusions that

745
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 2: can actually get you a tremendous amount of power very

746
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: often will end up being your downfall.

747
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: And it seems that that very much.

748
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 2: Was the case overall, though, I mean, in terms of why,

749
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: of what matters, it does seem there's like a temporary

750
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 2: Wagner memorial inside of Russia.

751
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: Some people were mourning him in Moscow.

752
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: There were things coming, But overall, I mean, we haven't

753
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: seen any change in the front line. Wagner has largely

754
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: been you know, been amassed into the Russian armed services.

755
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 2: You've not seen any major, you know, change in terms

756
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: of battlefield like preparation or any of that.

757
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: So also so the.

758
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: Commanders on the ground who seemed somewhat sympathetic to pregosion,

759
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: they've been fired and unceremoniously dismissed and putin and in

760
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 2: many ways, I mean, seems stronger than ever. He killed

761
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: his main rival out in the open. It was a

762
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: blatant signal. It's like you crossed me, I'm gonna kill you.

763
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 2: I'm gonna blow you out of the sky and then

764
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 2: fake mourn your death on national television.

765
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

766
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: I can't think of a more bloodthirsty thing you can do.

767
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: A more cold thing also that you can do in

768
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: terms of a message.

769
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: Jegor's analysis of Progosion has always been that he was

770
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: basically high on his own supply.

771
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

772
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: I think that he had delusions of grandeur, that he

773
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: really bought the hype around him, which was in some

774
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: ways hype that was created by the like Russian media

775
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: propaganda networks. So they sort of built him up as

776
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: this heroic figure and then he was very you know,

777
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: omnipresident on social media or whatever, and so he really

778
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: misgauged the actual level of support that he had among

779
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: the people. Again, these things are very hard to judge

780
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: from Afar, you know, how he felt and how people

781
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: feel about him, and how they felt, you know, felt

782
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: about him, then feel about him now, et cetera. But

783
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: that was his analysis, is that, you know, he had

784
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: this sort of like potentkin village of social media and

785
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: actual media support, and then once that media support is pulled,

786
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: there's really not a lot left there in terms of

787
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: his genuine support among the populace. And so when he

788
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: starts this failed you know, coup attempt, which you know

789
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: he denied it was really a coup attempt, but I

790
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: think we all saw that in real time. Once he

791
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: starts down this path and he doesn't see the people

792
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: rallying to his cause in the way that he thought

793
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: kind of burst his bubble, he freaks out. He makes

794
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: his deal with Putin. That's the best that I can

795
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: surmise of what happened here. But wild, well, never wild

796
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: series of events.

797
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess we get to live in interesting times.

798
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: Speaking of that, there's an open war breaking out actually

799
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: between US military generals and Ukrainian military generals, both in

800
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: the press on background and in the public, and it's

801
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 2: all kind of fascinating and it tells us a lot

802
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: about where the conflict is. Let's ahead and put this

803
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. This is from the New

804
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: York Times, but it was one of many. There was

805
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: one from the Times, There's one from the Wall Street Journal,

806
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: one from the Financial Times, and one from Foreign Policy,

807
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 2: all basically quoting the same sources, which saying the exact

808
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 2: same thing over and over again. US officials are saying

809
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: that Ukraine's forces and its firepower are misallocated. American strategists

810
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: saying Ukraine's troops are too spread out and they need

811
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: to concentrate along the counterintensive main front in the south.

812
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 2: The main criticism comes down to this crystal. The US

813
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: is telling the Ukrainians a couple of things. You're firing

814
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: way too much artillery. You're basically reverting to old style

815
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: Soviet tactics.

816
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: We're going to get to it in a little bit.

817
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: But they fired almost.

818
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: Two million artillery shells since the conflict began. Here's the

819
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: issue with that. All of it comes from US. We

820
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: manufacture it, and they have not only depleted all of

821
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: our stockpiles. We can produce twenty thousand per month, they

822
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 2: use ninety thousand per month. You can go ahead and

823
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 2: guess how much Germany and the other ridiculous country which

824
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: can't even hit two percent NATO spending or defense spending

825
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: inside of NATO, how much they are able to produce.

826
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 3: So they wiped out our overall stockpile, and they're.

827
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: Massively depleting whatever we're even able to produce in the future.

828
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: Number two, they have effectively been completely unable to actually

829
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 2: fight Combined arms tactics in the way that a modern

830
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: US military would fight. They are reverting much more to

831
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: World War One style conflicts, where you shell the hell

832
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: out of the people in front of you, you kind

833
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: of burrow them into a hole, and then you just

834
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: run forward and kind of hope that it all works.

835
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: Out, take out whatever tanks you can.

836
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 2: Again, with US supplied weapons hasn't worked out all that well.

837
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: They've taken a couple of villages they're claiming one that

838
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: they've had here, but no meaning field breakthrough actually on

839
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: the front line, especially relative to the tens of thousands

840
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: of casualties that they have suffered and the multi billions

841
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: of dollars that wey have given them. The major concern

842
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: that there is right now from the US side is

843
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: that the Ukraine are not grappling with the fact that

844
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: the amount of aid that they were given for this

845
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: counter offensive, it's never going to happen again. I mean,

846
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: even in terms of what they have asked the Biden

847
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: administration for Congress, which has not yet been even considered

848
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: and has faced a lot of problems inside of Congress.

849
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: The extra twenty five billion, some of that is humanitarian aid.

850
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: In terms of the military aid. You can appropriate all

851
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 2: you want, but in terms of the hard actual number

852
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: of things that we have at our disposal, especially for

853
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: the defense industrial base, it'll never come to this again.

854
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: So if they're just going to rely on shooting as

855
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: many shells as possible, it's just not going to work.

856
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: There is some indication that the Ukrainians have been listening,

857
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: because they have taken a couple of small villages in

858
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: the last couple of days, and they're seeing a little

859
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: bit more movement. Most of that is from pressure by

860
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 2: the West in order to concentrate the majority of their

861
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: forces at single strategic points. But they also have to

862
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: watch out because the Russians now are also, it seems,

863
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: massing before at least some sort of counter offensive against

864
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 2: the counter offensive. Again, it's all very reminiscent of World

865
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: War One, But then in terms of the future, what

866
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: the hell is going to happen here? US strategists and

867
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: all them defend The National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan refuses

868
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: to say it's a stalemate. He says, it's not a stalemate,

869
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: but we haven't seen anything major breakthrough. They're prepping the

870
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: ground for this thing going on forever. David Ignatius, who

871
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: is like the deep state whisperer. Let's go ahead, put

872
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. Here's what he says.

873
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 2: How the usces Ukraine's push no stalemate but no breakthrough.

874
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 3: What does that mean? Someone can explain that when.

875
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 2: The definition of a stalemate a here are the top

876
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: line things that actually come out for it for our purposes.

877
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: Number One, Kiev says that this is going to go

878
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: on forever.

879
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 2: Number two US and Ukraine dramatically disagree in terms of strategy.

880
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: Then number three, and this was actually the most important

881
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: one to me quote. With Ukrainian forces steimide on the ground,

882
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 2: US officials believe President Zelinski will take the fight increasingly

883
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: to Russian territory and occupied Crimea. In other words, the

884
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: more they are bogged down on the ground, they're going

885
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: to try and force strikes on Russian terry or territory

886
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: and in Crimea. Again, look, they can do whatever they want,

887
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: but then they should bear all the risk if they're

888
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: going to provide and use our weapons to do so.

889
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: That puts US in a whole other ballgame, especially if

890
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: they're not using easily little drones against Moscow and the Kremlin.

891
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: They're actually using US provided F sixteens, of which some

892
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: of them are beginning to trade right now. There was

893
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: also a very telling actually line in here crystal about

894
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: at cams in terms of long range missiles that they

895
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: have long desired. Quote, the United States doesn't have enough

896
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: at cams to supply Ukraine without undercutting its own readiness

897
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: for any future conflict with China. And the reason why

898
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: I think that line struck to me so hard is

899
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: that the over and over again we are learning is

900
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: that we already know that the Biden administration will.

901
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: Eventually cave and they are going to give them these weapons.

902
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: And yet they always try to deny the reality that

903
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: it is dramatically reducing US defense readiness and the capabilities

904
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: of the overall industrial base. At this point, you know,

905
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: you should be resigned. These weapons are going to Ukraine.

906
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: There's no way that. First all, we're not going to

907
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: send the F sixties. Now we're sending sixties. We're never

908
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 2: going to send the cluster munitions. Now we're basically the

909
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: only reason they're having any movement on the ground is

910
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: because of the cluster munitions. Now this one, they're like

911
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: long range missiles. Oh well, they could strike deep inside

912
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: Russia will hear the you know hymns and haws about

913
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: that for a little while. We all they're going to

914
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 2: do it. They cave, the Ukrainians get everything that they want.

915
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: And so the last thing I'll say about it is

916
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 2: it is clear to me that the Ukrainians are fighting

917
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: as if they have a bottomless supply.

918
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: They refuse to wake up to reality.

919
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: And you know, eventually, I think, you know, the bill

920
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: on this is going to come doe. But the West

921
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: is also deluded into thinking that its populations and its

922
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: defense industrial bases will be able to provide the Ukrainians

923
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: with the things that they need with the tax that

924
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: they have, tactics they have decided that they are going

925
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 2: to use, and the stalemate that they are signing themselves

926
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 2: up for, it's not one which is strategically on their side.

927
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: Russia is a real country.

928
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: They've got real trade, They've got a real defense industrial base.

929
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 2: You know, the Ukrainian industrial base pumps out like fifteen

930
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: drones and they think they're like, oh, well, the drone

931
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: supplies off two thousand percent. I'm like, so what you know?

932
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: These are the amount that get shot down in like

933
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: three days on the front line. Anyway, those are all

934
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 2: my top line things from I read a lot about

935
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 2: this over the yeast couple of days, and basically they're

936
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: trying to prep the US population for it's going to

937
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: be Afghanistan. It's just going to take years.

938
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: It's going to go for it.

939
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 3: It's just never going to end.

940
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: And the more that happens, the more as he even

941
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: acknowledges here that they're going to pursue more aggressive strikes

942
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: inside of Russian inside of occupied crime yet, which only

943
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 2: escalates the conflict even further.

944
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: Well, because the same analysis that you know, we and

945
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: many others have provided on the Russian side of the

946
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: more the more difficult and the more desperate they are,

947
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: the more dangerous tactics they will deploy. It's exact same

948
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: on the Ukrainian side. The more desperate and the less

949
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: success they have in these offensives, the more that they

950
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: will be willing to drone strike within Russian territory and

951
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: take more dangerous, potentially provocative, potentially escalatory moves. So you know,

952
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: the US is well aware of this, as David Ignatius,

953
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, one of their sort of like media allies

954
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: is putting out there they're well aware of this, but

955
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,959
Speaker 1: they have zero interest in really doing anything but tut

956
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: tutting and asking nicely for them to stop, which the

957
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: Ukrainians have zero intention of actually doing. The other thing

958
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: that I was trying to figure out, Sager, is, you know,

959
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: anytime you see these new media narratives coming out of

960
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: the sort of like established media ally channels like the

961
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: New York Times and like the Washington Post, you always

962
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself.

963
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: Like why because they're not listening, Why.

964
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: Why are they putting this out there now? And I

965
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: do think, Look, I think it's partly reality that the

966
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: Ukrainians have not pursued the strategy that US one of

967
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: them to pursue. You know, reportedly in New York Times

968
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: they wanted them to really concentrate their forces to try

969
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: to break up this land bridge that they have between

970
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: Russian Crimea, which allows the Russians to have these supply lines.

971
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: That was really where they wanted to focus their troops.

972
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: The Ukrainians have spread their forces more thinly across the

973
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: east and across the south. But I also think it's

974
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of like I actually think it's a

975
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: lot of cover your ass of like explaining the US population,

976
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: why it hasn't gone as well as it was really

977
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: sold going in, and how it's not our fault at all,

978
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: and you know, it's their fault. Everything's on their side.

979
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: We did everything that we possibly could, and you know,

980
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: if we just and also the implication here is, oh, well,

981
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 1: if we just get them to change some of their tactics,

982
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: then things will go completely differently, which I think is

983
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: also a farce and of fantasy.

984
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: I honestly, look, I say this was whatever respect I

985
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: can musters the Ukrainian military. They are some of the

986
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: most arrogant people I have ever read about in all

987
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: of history. Because they think that they're like they're talking

988
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: the US military literally pays all their bills, run all

989
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: their surveillance runs, all their ISR, provides all of their weapons,

990
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: and they're like, no, no, no, we know better than US

991
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: military planners. One of them, actually, the head of the

992
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 2: Ukrainian forces, was like, this is the Battle of Kursk

993
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: for people who don't know, that was like a major

994
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: battle that happened in the Eastern Front in nineteen forty three,

995
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: was one of the largest tank battles. I think it's

996
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 2: maybe the largest tank battle ever in all of history.

997
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: It eventually is what helped, you know, quell the Nazi invasion.

998
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: But again with great respect, like, you are not Stalin's

999
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: Soviet Union, and you are not somebody with like any

1000
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: real industrial base or ability in order to mounter mount

1001
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: the actual defense that would be necessary in order to

1002
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 2: pull something like that off, as evidenced by the lack

1003
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: of gains that you've made.

1004
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: So far in the counter offensive.

1005
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by you know, fairly like juvenile tactical mistakes

1006
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: like blowing ten billion dollars worth of artillery on a

1007
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 2: battle for a city which you then lose. It's one

1008
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: of those where again and again and again they revert

1009
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: to what they know best, which is fine, but they

1010
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 2: are not able to keep that up up for all

1011
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: of the downstream supply chain and everything else, and they're

1012
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 2: not the reason why, I think, is that the only

1013
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: way to reach the Ukrainians is through the US media,

1014
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 2: because clearly they don't listen.

1015
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 3: They're arrogant.

1016
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: They're like, no, we know exactly what we're going to do,

1017
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 2: and the US is like, well, we pay your bills

1018
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: and we can actually see you know, the maps, and

1019
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: you're not listening to us. So they start leaking on background.

1020
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: What has then happened is that now the Ukrainian generals

1021
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: are defending themselves in public. There was some meeting that

1022
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: happened on the Polish border between the generals and between

1023
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: the Ukrainian the head of the Ukrainian Armed forces as well.

1024
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: And look like we'll.

1025
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 2: See it's possible that they will make some small gains.

1026
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I urge everybody

1027
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: every time I see these stories that like Ukraine takes

1028
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: small village, go look at a map of.

1029
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: The front line.

1030
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 6: This is what like they have taken scraps hundreds of yards.

1031
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 6: Twenty percent of the country is still held by Russia.

1032
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 6: The overall grand strategic vision has changed nothing.

1033
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: The only thing is a lot of people are dead,

1034
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: and billions and billions of dollars of munitions have been

1035
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: pumped into the ground, some of which are unexploded and

1036
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: will probably kill children like for one hundred years from now.

1037
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, nobody seems to care about that.

1038
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: And in terms of prepping the US population for basically

1039
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: another forever war, at least in this time of forever

1040
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: quote unquote proxy war is I mean, I think on

1041
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: the sort of like liberal democratic side is basically working,

1042
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 1: Like Ukraine has really slipped from the front of people's consciousness.

1043
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: They've just sort of accepted this is this ongoing thing

1044
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: that we're going to continue, you know, pumping resources and

1045
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: money and focus and attention into. And you know, it's

1046
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: just it is taken for granted now among much of

1047
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: the population that this is just kind of the status quo. So,

1048
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, in a lot of ways, I think those

1049
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: propaganda efforts have been successful, but the dangers we've been

1050
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: warning about, both in terms of escalation and in terms

1051
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: of you know, resources that are being expended here, those

1052
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: continue to be incredibly real and not something that anyone

1053
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: should push out of their mind because and also, you know,

1054
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: most importantly, like this is a human catastrophe. It's horrendous

1055
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: the number of limbs that are lost and lives that

1056
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: are lost and lives that are upended. I mean, this

1057
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: is just an absolute human calamity, and so we shouldn't

1058
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: lose attention and focus on it for that reason alone.

1059
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely right.

1060
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to break down for you what is actually

1061
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: a really massive game changing decision that was just made

1062
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: by the National Labor Relations Board under Joe Biden, that

1063
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: could actually really change the game in terms of union

1064
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: density in this country. Let me go and put this

1065
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: up on the screen and then I'll explain in detail

1066
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: what all of this means. This is courtesy of more

1067
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: Perfect Union, they say, breaking The Nationally Relations Board has

1068
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: ruled that if bosses commit unfair labor practices in the

1069
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: run up to a union election, which happens, by the way,

1070
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: guys all the time, like routinely in a majority of

1071
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: union elections, the bosses commit unfair labor practices. If that happens,

1072
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: then the union election is going to be canceled and

1073
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: the National Airbor Relations Board will order the employer to

1074
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: immediately recognize the union and bargain with the union. More

1075
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: Perfect Union adds, union busting just got a lot harder.

1076
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: They go on to say, Now every union campaign has

1077
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: to go to an election to get formal recognition, but

1078
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: bosses use that time to union bust, often illegally. Now,

1079
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 1: if a majority of workers support the union, bosses will

1080
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: have to stop union busting or be forced to negotiate

1081
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: and recognize the union with no election at all. As

1082
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: the chair of the NLRB says, quote, it eliminates incentives

1083
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: for employers to commit unfair labor practices as a way

1084
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: to delay or defeat representation when a majority of workers

1085
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: have shown support for a union. So as it stands

1086
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: prior to this ruling, as you guys likely know, if

1087
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: workers want to organize with a union, it is a

1088
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: non sive uphill clion. The very first step is the

1089
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: union will get supporters who are interested in joining the

1090
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: union to sign cards. They'd sign off basically saying yes,

1091
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm interested in joining the union. Now, it used to

1092
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: be that if a majority of workers signed those cards,

1093
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: the assumption was, okay, then you're going to be represented

1094
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: by a union and the employer has to bargain with you,

1095
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: unless there are some more extraordinary circumstances that would indicate

1096
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: that actually, no, a majority of workers don't really want

1097
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: to join the union, and then it would go to election.

1098
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: So it used to be, and this was called the

1099
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: Joysilk doctrine. They used to be it was the presumption

1100
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: that the workers, if there was a majority of card signed,

1101
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: would form a union. That has been completely upended over decades,

1102
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: and now the presumption is the total opposite. Doesn't matter

1103
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: how many workers signed the card, it's going to an election,

1104
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: and all of that time between when the cards are

1105
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: signed and when the election happens, employers routinely engage in illegal,

1106
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: unfair labor practices and overt union busting. So this ruling

1107
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: is now taking a step part of the way back

1108
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: towards that old method where the presumption was that if

1109
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: majorities of workers want to join a union, then you know,

1110
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: they have to recognize the union. So if the employer

1111
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: then is caught engaging in unfair labor practices, union election

1112
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: is canceled and the you know, union wins and they

1113
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: have to bargain with them. So this is a huge deal.

1114
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: The backstory here and why this ruling is coming out

1115
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: now is because there's a group of Cemechs Cement truck

1116
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 1: drivers who in twenty nineteen narrowly voted against joining the Teamsters. However,

1117
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: during the run up to that election, Semacks the company

1118
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: had committed more than two dozen unfair labor practices that

1119
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: included threatening, surveilling, and terarogating workers, having security guards to

1120
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: intimidate them, et cetera, et cetera, And so because they

1121
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: had so wildly skewed the results of this elect the

1122
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: National Ay Relations Board is now saying no, that election

1123
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: is now null and void, and you have to recognize

1124
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: this Teamsters union and you have to start bargaining with them,

1125
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: and that logic is now going to be applied across

1126
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: the board. I cannot emphasize to you enough what a huge, historic,

1127
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, sort of game changing deal this is in

1128
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: terms of workers who want to organize, And of course

1129
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: it comes at a time of increasing labor militancy, of

1130
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: rising grassroots union movements, and also of near historic high

1131
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: public support for unions as well. So this is really

1132
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: quite extraordinary.

1133
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just I was trying to figure out,

1134
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 2: like why now, is it also in the context of

1135
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: the UAW strike, Like that's what we had been looking at,

1136
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: that's the one that's looming. At the same time, we've

1137
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: actually seen successful resolution of some of these bigger disputes

1138
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: like ups for example, despite posturing.

1139
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 3: So is it on the heels of that, Like.

1140
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: No, it really comes straight out of the General Counsel

1141
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: Jennifer Brusso, the National Labor Relations Board under Joe Biden,

1142
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: who I think has been extraordinary, I think is one

1143
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: of the best, you know things that that Joe Biden

1144
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: has done putting her in this position. She has said

1145
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: for a while that she wants to revisit the Joysilk

1146
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: Road doctrine, and so unions have been waiting and workers

1147
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: have been waiting to see how this all comes down.

1148
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: And as I said, this is almost like a middle

1149
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: of the road path because it doesn't go all the

1150
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: way back to just what you know would be called

1151
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: card check, where if there's a majority of card sign

1152
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: that's it, end of story. There's a union, unless the

1153
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: burden is on the boss to prove that no, in reality,

1154
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: there aren't a majority of workers, and then you go

1155
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: to the election. So it doesn't go all the way

1156
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:41,959
Speaker 1: back to that. It's kind of a middle of the road,

1157
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: but in comparison to where we are today, is a

1158
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: huge deal. And so you know, this is a general

1159
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: counsel at the National Labor Relations Board who's been very

1160
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: interested in trying to rebalance the skills and make it

1161
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: much more fair for workers to be able to organize

1162
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: and be able to bargain. And this particular case that

1163
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: ended up before the National Labor Relations Board just gave

1164
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: them the sort of perfect opportunity to revise and update

1165
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 1: the you know the approach with regards to when unions

1166
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: are recognized and when the elections have to occur. So

1167
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: I think they were. If I had to say why now,

1168
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: it's because this case provided them with the opportunity to

1169
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: issue an updated ruling and updated guidance about how this

1170
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: is all supposed to work.

1171
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 3: That makes sense.

1172
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 2: Well, then it will likely spawn some more labor actions

1173
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 2: in the future because people will feel as if they

1174
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: have much more of a cover, and it will also

1175
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 2: change the way the business has to interact.

1176
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 1: We said unions, workers will have a lot less fear

1177
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: about like because as of now, you know, we covered

1178
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: the Amazon fight down in Bessemer, Alabama, right, and a

1179
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: lot of workers in a region where there aren't a

1180
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: lot of good jobs. You know, they were fearful. Right,

1181
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: They're afraid, like, Okay, I've got a job that pays

1182
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: pretty decently, and yeah, I got all these problems with it,

1183
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 1: and I might like to be part of a union

1184
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: and have that kind of collective power, but I'm afraid,

1185
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: like they might retell against me, they might close up

1186
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: shop all together, they might fire me. All of those

1187
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 1: things were a real possibility, and in the past, workers

1188
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: that routinely. I mean bosses that utinely union routinely union bust,

1189
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: like Starbucks, like Amazon, like basically all of them. They

1190
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: would get a slop on the wrist, you know, they

1191
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: have to like pay a modest fine or post the

1192
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: rules that and the rights that workers have in the workplace,

1193
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: and that would basically be it. So there was no

1194
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: real accountability or no real consequence to work to bosses

1195
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: just overwhelmingly union bust. So yeah, this completely changes the landscape.

1196
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it'll take some time for workers

1197
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: to really internalize, like, no, actually I don't have to

1198
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: be so fearful of those consequences. I can actually, if

1199
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: I want to join a union, be involved in organizing

1200
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: all of those things. But the way that this rebalances

1201
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: the scales, the way this changes the landscape. We've had

1202
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: years and years and years of union density decline, and

1203
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: even in this past little you know, a little stretch

1204
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: over the past year, couple of years where you've had

1205
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: a lot more activity, You've had a lot more strikes,

1206
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: you've had a lot more union efforts, You've had the

1207
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: Starbucks movement, the Amazon movement, all of that stuff. You

1208
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: still as a percentage of the workforce have seen the percentage,

1209
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: like the union density decline. This could actually be the

1210
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: thing that flips that on its head, that enters a

1211
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: new era of increasingly building worker power. And you know,

1212
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: to shift to the other part of this that is

1213
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: really big. You pointed out the Teamsters. The UPS workers

1214
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: organized under the Teamsters just scored some major wins in

1215
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: terms of their contract, got a lot of attention some

1216
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: of the drivers. We make it one hundred and seventy

1217
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: p year with benefits, with benefits those you know, but

1218
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: that's that's a good, good wage. And by the way,

1219
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: that's not just good for UPS workers. Any driver in

1220
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: the package delivery industry is probably going to benefit from

1221
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: those because FedEx they're going to have to up their

1222
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: game to compete now with UPS. So you're starting to

1223
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: see these big national movements where workers can really tell hey,

1224
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: if I have a union, I might be able to

1225
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: get a better deal. They can see the wins in

1226
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: the games that are occurring here. And we've got another

1227
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: really big one that is coming down the pike that

1228
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: we've been following closely. Go ahead and put this up

1229
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: on the screen. So the United Auto Workers, of course

1230
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: represent workers at all the Big three Automakers. They have

1231
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: now overwhelmingly voted to authorize strikes at GM, Ford and Stalantis.

1232
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: Delantis the name of the other Big three at this point.

1233
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: The union on Friday said an average of ninety seven

1234
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: percent of combined members at the Automakers approved the action. However,

1235
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: final votes are still being tallied. They have a new

1236
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: president at the UAW, guy named Sean Fain, who ran

1237
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: on being more militant and more representative of the rank

1238
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: and file. He was quoted as saying, the Big three

1239
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: is our strike target. No whether or not there is

1240
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: a strike, it's up to Ford, GM and Stalantis because

1241
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: they know what our priorities are. We have been clear,

1242
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: and the demands that the union is starting their negotiation

1243
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: with are you know, they're quite extraordinary, like they're they're

1244
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: audacious and I personally love to see it includes a

1245
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: forty six percent wage increase to match the wage increase

1246
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: that the CEOs of the Big Three have gotten over

1247
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: just the past couple of years. Restoration of traditional pensions,

1248
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: so not for a one K like defined benefit. This

1249
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: is what you get in this end of the story.

1250
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: Cost of living increases, which is something that these workers

1251
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: gave up when they helped to bail out these automakers

1252
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: during the financial crash, and reducing the work week to

1253
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: thirty two hours from forty and increasing retiring benefits, so

1254
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: basically going to a four day work week, something that

1255
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: has been successful in other industries and studies have shown

1256
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: has been pretty successful overall. But that's another you know,

1257
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: that's a really big deal. So the strike deadline, the

1258
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: deadline in terms of contract negotiations is coming here in

1259
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: just the next couple of weeks in mid September, and

1260
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,439
Speaker 1: obviously if these workers go out on strike, it would

1261
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: be a really, really big deal, and whatever contract they

1262
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: are able to secure is also going to be a

1263
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: really big deal, not just for auto workers, but for

1264
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: a lot of different workers across a lot of industries.

1265
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually the most interesting one to me is

1266
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: both about the changes, as you said about ups and

1267
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: how that will change the overall package delivery mark especially

1268
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 2: continue to massively grow. But then also with UAW that

1269
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: sets the actual tone for as we head into even

1270
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 2: more automation electric vehicles. That's where actually some of the

1271
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: biggest fights with them are on you demanding that X

1272
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: amount be actually made here in the US. I think

1273
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 2: that's the most important thing about helping us remain resilient

1274
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: as a country, to make sure that in any future

1275
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 2: problem that we actually be able to control a lot

1276
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: of what we actually need in order to subsist and

1277
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 2: to live here. And the union is actually a huge

1278
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 2: part of that. It's interesting because they're the ones really

1279
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 2: fighting for all. If the execs had their way, every

1280
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 2: single thing would be made in China. They don't even

1281
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 2: want to make it in Mexico. They want to make

1282
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: it all halfway across the globe in order to save

1283
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: you a penny, in order to squeeze even more out

1284
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 2: of the stock price.

1285
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the UAW has been unhappy with the vitamin

1286
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: instration not doing enough to make sure the new ev

1287
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: and battery jobs are union and pay similar wages to

1288
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: the rest of the industry. So that's one of the

1289
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: big fights. But you know, not everybody is happy about

1290
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: workers trying to claim a little bit of power, a

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Speaker 1: little bit of better wages, benefits, et cetera. Over on

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg News, they were live from Jackson Hole, Wyoming. It's

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Speaker 1: very beautiful, lovely surrounding that they're there. Kind of freaking

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Speaker 1: out about this potential strike and what is going on

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Speaker 1: with the workforce listake alism.

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Speaker 2: We've had the pay rises, we've had the union action,

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Speaker 2: we haven't had the strike exactly, and I don't think.

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Speaker 3: Anyone wants to see those strikes any Tom Suon I thought.

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Speaker 7: Which has transmitted into this belief that labor has the

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Speaker 7: upper hand, and that if labor has the upper hand,

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Speaker 7: price increases can continue, not just union jobs, but more broadly.

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Speaker 7: And that is the key question here. Is that going

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Speaker 7: to continue so that you see a longer and higher

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Speaker 7: inflation and a stronger and better economy for even with

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Speaker 7: the race that we see right now.

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Speaker 3: So it's time for.

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Speaker 8: The surveillance extrapolation. We do this every year, Jack, some

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Speaker 8: whole John, I'm trying to envision you, bronze shorts working

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Speaker 8: your butt off at ups pop in one seventy You

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Speaker 8: all in.

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Speaker 3: That's so never gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Why not?

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Speaker 3: Why are you talking down the potential for this to happen.

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Speaker 3: If we've put.

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Speaker 8: John Agustus exactly, Yes, exactly, Lisa, if we put John

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Speaker 8: at Flint, Michigan building, Buick's huh, what are you gonna

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Speaker 8: pop to twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Now show you got to pay an auto.

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Speaker 1: Work more than delivering boxes. They cannot believe that these

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Speaker 1: workers are actually earning decent salaries. They think only people

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Speaker 1: like them deserve to earn, you know, living able to

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Speaker 1: afford like a house in a middle class life, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But you know the thing I love about those close

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Speaker 1: we've played some of the ones with Cramer freaking out

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Speaker 1: O're on CNBC, is just like, this has never happened

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Speaker 1: in my life, where they actually feel worried that there

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Speaker 1: is some countervailing force on the other side, and it

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Speaker 1: is a remarkable.

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Speaker 3: Thing to behold.

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Speaker 2: I think what happened is is that we had a

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Speaker 2: massive oversaturation of white collar workers. Is obviously with the

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Speaker 2: student debt crisis and the entire generation of people who

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Speaker 2: wake up and you're like, wait, I don't actually make

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Speaker 2: all that much money, and especially whenever it keeps up

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Speaker 2: with the real inflation, not just inflation costs of goods,

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Speaker 2: but the necessary inflation for shelter.

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Speaker 3: And then you combine mortgage rates and then you.

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Speaker 2: Have to look at like, what are people actually paying

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Speaker 2: for what's genuinely valued. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: it's about capitalism and in our system. What we are

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Speaker 2: finding is that the service sector in general, we've squeezed

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Speaker 2: as not as much as we can, but a lot

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Speaker 2: of what we have already to get the gains, but

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Speaker 2: we've forgotten so much about all this necessary part of

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Speaker 2: our economy, the blue collar workforce. And then they using

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Speaker 2: their ability in order to extract concessions, are like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we actually want to get paid. You relied on us

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Speaker 2: all throughout COVID. We're not just gonna sit here and

1349
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Speaker 2: we're not going to take it anymore. It turns out

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Speaker 2: AI is more of a threat for the lawyer than

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Speaker 2: it is for the driver. And so in that scenario,

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Speaker 2: it's like, you know, I won't say it in the

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Speaker 2: in a crass ways from goodfellas like screw you pay me.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like I've got you, and why shouldn't they?

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Speaker 2: So it does annoy me, you know, the way they're

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Speaker 2: talking like, oh, pulling two twenty five an hour, there's

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Speaker 2: no way all of First of all, it's not true,

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Speaker 2: but second you know, it's one of those where it's like, well, okay,

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Speaker 2: well what's wrong with that?

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Speaker 3: Like why is that bad? Why is it bad?

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Speaker 9: Though?

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Speaker 2: Why are you saying that the bow tide guy sitting

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Speaker 2: in Jackson Hole. I really think a lot of it

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Speaker 2: is class anxiety. They're just bad at the idea that

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Speaker 2: these people who actually get paid even close to some

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Speaker 2: of them or their kids, who are you know, majors

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Speaker 2: something useless in college, and we're banking on some like

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Speaker 2: you know, upper middle class ish type job which is

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Speaker 2: just not paying out the same way that it used to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think the class anxiety part of

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Speaker 1: this is very real, and the class just contempt like

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Speaker 1: they just don't fit. Like none of those people could

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Speaker 1: do the package dealery exactly, none of them could do it.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. That is a freaking hard job.

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Speaker 1: Those men and women are working their asses off and

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Speaker 1: it is brutal, and it is heart on your heart,

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Speaker 1: on your body, and they are actually providing a service

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Speaker 1: that every one of us depends on. And so to

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Speaker 1: have this like sneering contempt about them earning a decent

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Speaker 1: wage and being able to potentially possibly maybe sometime in

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Speaker 1: their life, afford a house, and that they think that

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Speaker 1: that is so undeserved. Meanwhile, you know, they don't think

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Speaker 1: twice about the multimillion dollars salaries that they're raking in,

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Speaker 1: like sitting in a studio or flying to Jackson Hole

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Speaker 1: and opining for the world on their thoughts on you know,

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Speaker 1: the business world from on high. They don't think twice

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Speaker 1: about that. But when it's people who are actually making

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Speaker 1: the economy work, building cars, delivering packages, et cetera, it's

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Speaker 1: nothing but sneers and nothing but contempt.

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Speaker 2: That's right, well, speaking of sneers, contempt, class anxiety.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good transition.

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Speaker 3: There's so much going on here.

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Speaker 2: Oliver Anthony of the Richmond North of Richmond Fame number

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Speaker 2: one on the Billboard Top one hundred, the number one

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Speaker 2: song in the United States, didn't take so kindly to

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Speaker 2: seeing his song used in the GOP debate, and not

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Speaker 2: just in the debate, but really being embraced explicitly as

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Speaker 2: a conservative kind of anthem against the ruling establishment.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 9: It's aggravating scene people on conservative news try to identify

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Speaker 9: with me like I'm one of them. It's aggravating seeing

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Speaker 9: certain musicians and politicians act like we're buddies and and

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01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 9: act like we're fighting the same struggle here, like that

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Speaker 9: were trying to present.

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Speaker 3: The same message. It's fun It was funny seeing it

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Speaker 3: at the presidential debate.

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Speaker 9: Because it's like, I wrote that song about those people,

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Speaker 9: you know, So for them to have to sit there

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Speaker 9: and listen.

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Speaker 1: To that, that cracks me up.

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Speaker 9: But it was funny kind of seeing the response to it,

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Speaker 9: Like that song has nothing to do with Joe Biden.

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Speaker 9: You know, it's a lot bigger than Joe Biden. That

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Speaker 9: song is written about the people on that stage and

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Speaker 9: a lot more too, not just them, but definitely them.

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Speaker 2: Very explicit call out of the Republican debate and also

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Speaker 2: saying I wrote that song about people like them.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: He also tweeted this out quote, I don't support either politically,

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Speaker 2: not the left, not the right. I'm about supporting people

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Speaker 2: and restoring local communities. Now breed some fresh air and relax, please,

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Speaker 2: I'm not worth obsessing over.

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Speaker 3: I promise go spend some time with your loved ones.

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Speaker 2: He also put out a Facebook paste basically saying some

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Speaker 2: of this as well. I apologize for beating a dead horse.

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Speaker 2: I need to address this quote in my video earlier

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Speaker 2: since it's been misquoted. Corporate news is now trying to

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Speaker 2: twist me into being a Biden supporter. Richmond North of

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01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 2: Richmond is about corporate owned DC politicians on both sides.

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Speaker 2: Though Biden is most certainly a problem, the lyrics aren't

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Speaker 2: exclusively knocking Biden.

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Speaker 3: It is bigger and broader than that.

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Speaker 2: It is knocking the system collectively, including the corporate owned

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Speaker 2: conservative politicians that were on stage that night. Good night everyone,

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Speaker 2: and thanks again. So I got to give the man credit,

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Speaker 2: you know, it is. Of course, it's mostly been Republicans

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Speaker 2: who have, at least on a national level, been trying

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Speaker 2: to embrace the song. I've seen a lot of video course,

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Speaker 2: you know a lot of people everybody Ford the song resonates,

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Speaker 2: and you know, God bless.

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Speaker 3: I think that's great.

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Speaker 2: And so I have to give him credit because I

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Speaker 2: think the easiest thing that would have possibly be in

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Speaker 2: for him is to lean into this, right sure, to

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Speaker 2: go to the Rittenhouse route or any of these be

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01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 2: like listen, you know, it's trying to make some money,

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01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: go sign some he said, he's turned down like multimillion

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01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 2: dollar record deals. It'd be easy for him to go

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01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 2: start playing Turning Point USA concerts. Oh yeah, and to

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01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 2: you know, go to a Trump rally or something like that,

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01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 2: and he's like, no, I don't want to now.

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Speaker 3: Look, it remains to be seen. We'll see what he

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Speaker 3: can do.

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Speaker 2: It's not easy, though, to be thrust into overnight success

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01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 2: and to fame like this and actually try and stand

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01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 2: up at least for some semblance of what you believe

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Speaker 2: in from a more principled level.

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Speaker 3: So I do appreciate that. I really appreciate that he

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Speaker 3: was willing to call these people out.

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Speaker 2: And I actually continue I hope he continues to do

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Speaker 2: so as more people try in order to weaponize this

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Speaker 2: song on a political level.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love two minds about it because on the

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Speaker 1: one hand, like, obviously I enjoy him being like, screwagbox

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01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,480
Speaker 1: News and you're the problem in all these like Republican

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01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: tools on stage, like this song is not for you,

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Speaker 1: So I of course enjoy that. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: like the song is overtly political, so it's not so.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you're talking about like Jeffrey Epstein, you're

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Speaker 1: talking about politicians, you're talking about you know, people on welfare.

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Speaker 1: If you're five to three or three innerd pounds taxes

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Speaker 1: not to pay for your bags of fudg rounds like,

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Speaker 1: of course people are going to view that through a

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Speaker 1: political lens, because it is overtly political, and the you know,

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Speaker 1: the narrative, especially in that part about like you know,

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01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: people who are overweight meeting fudge rounds and we're paying

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Speaker 1: for them, Like that is a you know, explicitly right

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Speaker 1: wing political statement. So I mean almost like in defense

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Speaker 1: of Fox News and in defense of the conservative influencers

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Speaker 1: who really were key to his success with this song,

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Speaker 1: Like of course anyone hearing these lyrics would interpret it.

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Speaker 2: That way, so I'll give their side of it. They

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01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 2: actually saw some people saying that. They're like, hey, screw

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01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 2: you man. They're like, the only reason you're famous is

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01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 2: because of us, you know, it doesn't just be like

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01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 2: the merits of the song. They're like, we're the ones

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Speaker 2: who like posted it, memed it, and like brought it

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01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: to our audience and really built you up and turned

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Speaker 2: this into kind of an explicit like screw you against

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01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 2: you know, the ruling establishment all those people. We're the

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01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 2: ones who got it popular. That's why you know you

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01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 2: you know, for who are you to come out and

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01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 2: basically denounce your overall fan base. I don't know, I'm

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01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 2: of a couple of minds of it. I think that

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01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 2: the more look, I agree with you in terms of

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Speaker 2: the explicit annaunceis of the song is very clear like

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Speaker 2: what the song is. As I've said, I basically think

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Speaker 2: it's it's like a blue collar folk libertarian type song,

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Speaker 2: of which is you know, very reminiscent of like Reaganesque

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Speaker 2: type themes.

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Speaker 3: On the other it does seem.

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Speaker 2: In some of his commentary since that he has been

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01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 2: trying to distance himself from the more overtly political part.

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01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 2: So I talked to you about this before I pull

1505
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 2: this up. He's clearly he's heard some of our criticism

1506
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 2: too about some of the language around welfare.

1507
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 3: Here's what he has to say.

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01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 2: Our government likes to throw out money and problems without

1509
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,839
Speaker 2: conceptualizing real solutions to connect to individuals involved. The lyrics

1510
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 2: contrast that some left without any and others are left

1511
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,839
Speaker 2: only with the option of living on junk food. Meanwhile,

1512
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 2: our farming industry has been corporatized and sold out. Food

1513
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 2: is entirely too expensive, especially in a nation with just

1514
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 2: abundant farmland. In politics, it's all about keeping people who

1515
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 2: are dependent dependent. So it did seem clear to me

1516
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: here in this song or in this kind of clear

1517
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 2: up lyric around the fudge rounds and comments. He didn't

1518
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 2: want it, though, to be perceived in the way that

1519
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 2: it was, if that makes sense.

1520
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 1: But I mean the line literally says the obese milk

1521
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: and welfare, Like, how am I supposed to take that?

1522
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 3: I am not disagreeing with what you're saying.

1523
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 2: I'm only saying it is clear to me that he

1524
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 2: didn't want it to become sort of anthem I think

1525
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: against welfare in that way. And look, he didn't I mean,

1526
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 2: he didn't know he was going to go overnight fame,

1527
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: you know, unless it's I.

1528
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: Genuinely have no problem with the guy, Like I really

1529
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: have no problem with the guy. I find the like

1530
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: fascination with the song interesting. I find the adoption of

1531
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: the song you know by the Right interesting. As I

1532
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,919
Speaker 1: said at the time, I think there's so much desire

1533
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: on the right to have some like culturally relevant products

1534
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,520
Speaker 1: that anything that seems like it fits into their worldview.

1535
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, we love It's very like they get

1536
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: very you know, people in that side get very excited.

1537
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: And I think that's why there was such an elevation

1538
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: of this song but I just you know, it's it's

1539
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: fine for things to be political too, Like there's oftentimes

1540
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: this reaction of like, oh, things that are political, that's bad.

1541
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to Almost everything is political. Like certainly

1542
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: if you're talking about Jeffrey Epstein and milk and welfare

1543
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: and fudgrounds and war and all like, these things are

1544
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 1: all political. So I don't think that there should be

1545
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: this reaction against like interpreting it through a political lens.

1546
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 1: Because clearly a lot of the people that his art

1547
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: resonated with they did see it through a political lens.

1548
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: They interpreted it as a validation of their views. And

1549
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,839
Speaker 1: that's fine. But I don't know that you can fully

1550
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: like you put your art out into the world, then

1551
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: people are allowed to interpret it and and you know,

1552
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 1: find resonance with it however they want to. So that's

1553
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: more my right my view.

1554
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 2: Well, his latest song, I think is actually it resonates

1555
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 2: with me a lot more talk about war r brink

1556
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 2: of the next World war talking explicitly, I mean I

1557
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,759
Speaker 2: wouldn't say explicitly, but more so about calling out politician

1558
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 2: sending money abroad talk I think pretty clearly a swipe

1559
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 2: at Ukraine. I mean, you can call that coded left

1560
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 2: or right or whatever if you want. But if we

1561
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 2: can mean those types of lyrics into the broad populist,

1562
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 2: I'm all for it.

1563
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 3: I am now explicitly pro and Oliver.

1564
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 2: And if he's going to get some anti war rhetoric

1565
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 2: actually in order to be cool at least on some

1566
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,799
Speaker 2: sort of pop culture level, to actually like break into

1567
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 2: people who may not have heard or considered those types

1568
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 2: of views before.

1569
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is much more healthy.

1570
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: I do think your point of like, he could have

1571
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: very easily just been like, it's easy, Okay, the right

1572
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: loves me. Yeah, I'm going to embrace it. I'm going

1573
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: to like go all in on this. I mean, he

1574
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: could easily split up songs that are just like overtly

1575
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: right wing and really clear and continue to have a

1576
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: lot of success and make a lot of money. And

1577
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: so I do respect the fact that he was like,

1578
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: this is not this is not.

1579
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 3: The lay our respect.

1580
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: A lot of people do travel.

1581
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 3: Down that bat.

1582
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 2: How easy is it, you know, overnight fame like this.

1583
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 2: I bet you every Republican politician has asked for him

1584
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 2: in order to come and go on the stage. I

1585
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 2: bet you also that Fox is begging this guy, trying

1586
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 2: to like, we'll pay you whatever you want, private jet money,

1587
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 2: you know, in order to Trump and to become a

1588
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 2: contributor or whatever. I'm sure the Daily Wire and all

1589
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 2: those folks have been wanting to do something with him.

1590
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 2: I reached out to him through his one of his representatives,

1591
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 2: and they were pretty exclusive. They were like, look, he

1592
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 2: doesn't really want to do interviews. He doesn't want to

1593
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 2: turn himself into like a political fit, to be clear,

1594
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 2: you know, I think you can see from this like

1595
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 2: we yeah, I'm not.

1596
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 3: I would be interested in.

1597
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 2: Talking to him from a less of a like, hey,

1598
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 2: tell me about why Joe Biden sucks for you and

1599
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 2: just be like yeah, Like let's talk about this, Like

1600
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 2: what was going through your mind when you were writing

1601
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 2: the lyrics, Like where's it coming from? Tell me about

1602
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 2: your experience Farmville, your homestead. What is an inform about you?

1603
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 2: The very big song that you released after is about

1604
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: the war? Clearly you're very involved in online politics, Like

1605
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 2: why you know? Why does that resonate with you? These

1606
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 2: are all types of questions, So Oliver, if you're listening,

1607
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: we would love to. But I think in general it

1608
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 2: is it does take guts to actually explicitly put at

1609
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 2: arm's length the people who in many ways did make

1610
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 2: you famous and who are you know making you into

1611
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 2: a political statement and say I don't want to be

1612
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 2: associated with that from a long term play career wise,

1613
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 2: Probably the right move, you know, in terms of the

1614
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 2: probably the right way.

1615
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 5: If you want to if you want to last decades.

1616
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,440
Speaker 5: So no, not if you want to immediately cash who knows.

1617
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 5: It's so impossible to say. I mean, I guess the

1618
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 5: last thing I'll say is like, I actually think the

1619
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 5: fact that, you know, some of his views are kind

1620
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 5: of like contradictory and they don't totally.

1621
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like normally very normal, way more

1622
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: normal than having a sort of like consistent ideological valance

1623
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: that you consistently apply across issues, you know. I mean,

1624
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: I try to be like I have thought a lot

1625
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: about my where I try to be consistent. I'm sure

1626
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 1: I fall short of that as well, but it's much

1627
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: more are normal to have a lot of sort of

1628
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 1: like a mishmash of views that may not fall exclusively

1629
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: in one camp or the other. So in that way,

1630
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,600
Speaker 1: I think that his lyrics are very relatable, probably to

1631
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: a lot.

1632
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 3: Of people, Crystal, what do you taking a look at?

1633
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: Well? After last week's Republican debate, the GOP donor and

1634
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 1: media class have a new queen, former South Carolina Governor

1635
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: Nicki Haley. The Washington Post conservative columnist Kathleen Parker raved

1636
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: about Nicky's brains and experiencing declaring quote hands down, Nicki

1637
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: Haley won the first GOP debate. New York Times is

1638
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 1: David Brooks cut to the chase, directly appealing to Nicky's

1639
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: likely constituency writing donors, this is the moment to give

1640
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: her a chance. Mediaum ogul Rupert Murdoch made his new

1641
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: favorite clear through the Wall Street Journal editorial board, which

1642
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: fawned over Haley's quote debate truths, and through the mouthpieces

1643
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: on Fox and Friends, who unanimously declared Haley the debate's

1644
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 1: clear winner, in particular because they love her neocon foreign policy.

1645
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 1: Kilmead called her right in every sense of the word.

1646
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 1: Doucy claimed his informal poll of fellow Fox talent and

1647
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: other assorted friends indicated Haley quote ran away with the show.

1648
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 1: Ainsley jumped in to take Haley's side, deeming Ramaswami's response

1649
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:18,560
Speaker 1: unimpressive and unsatisfactory in that foreign policy exchange, Ainsley was

1650
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 1: also particularly dismayed at his lack of support for unconditional

1651
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 1: aid to Israel. Now it makes complete sense that Nikki

1652
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: Haley would receive a rapturous reception from legacy Republican elites.

1653
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: Her worldview is perfectly aligned with their interests. She is

1654
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: all in on forever proxy war in Ukraine. She will

1655
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: never even think of cutting back on our massive aid

1656
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 1: to Israel, no matter what atrocities are ethno state allies

1657
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: inflict and Palestinians. And since she didn't have a chance

1658
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 1: to make it clear on the debate stage, she quickly

1659
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: took to the cable news airwaves to proudly declare she

1660
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 1: would cut Social Security by lifting the retirement age. Take

1661
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: a listen.

1662
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 10: Well, you know you've got multiple candidates on that stage

1663
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 10: that said they wouldn't touch in titlements, including Trump, And

1664
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 10: any candidate that says they're not going to touch entitlements

1665
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 10: means that they're basically going to go into the go

1666
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 10: into office, and then leave America bankrupt. Social Security is

1667
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 10: going to go bankrupt in ten years, Medicare is going

1668
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 10: to go bankrupt in eight so The way we deal

1669
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,759
Speaker 10: with it is we don't touch anyone's retirement or anyone

1670
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 10: who's been promised in But we go to people like

1671
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 10: my kids in their twenties when they're coming into the

1672
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 10: system and we say the rules have changed. We change

1673
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 10: retirement age to reflect life expectancy instead of cost of

1674
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 10: living increases. We do it based on inflation. We limit

1675
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 10: the benefits on the wealthy, and we expand Medicare advantage plans.

1676
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 3: What's the right age there that investor?

1677
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 10: Well, I think we have to do the numbers. We've

1678
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 10: got to figure out what it is. But what we

1679
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 10: do know is sixty five is way too low and

1680
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 10: we need to increase that.

1681
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: We need to do it according to life expectancy. Even

1682
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,959
Speaker 1: Nicky's Trump critique is in tune with the big financial

1683
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: interests that have always dominated the Republican Party. She's not

1684
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: worried about the corruption of Trump or the massive giveaways

1685
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: the wealthy, or the dangerously belligerent stands towards the ron.

1686
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: At the debate, she laid into Trump on the debt

1687
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 1: and the deficit, and obviously from her comments on entitlements

1688
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: there and her love of the war complex, the only

1689
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,799
Speaker 1: cut she's really interested in are those that would slash

1690
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 1: benefits for ordinary Americans, not the type that might unsettle

1691
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: our financial overlords. Now, let me say there's at least

1692
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: one thing I do like about Nikki Haley, and it's

1693
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: that I don't think that she would create the type

1694
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: of trumpy and chaos that he stoked on January sixth

1695
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 1: with his persistent lies about election fraud. She'd probably be

1696
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: open to the type of like Brooks Brothers coup that

1697
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: George W. Bush pulled off back in two thousand, but

1698
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: the ragtag over keithstone Coop's insurrection would not be on

1699
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: the menu. And I do genuinely appreciate that. I also

1700
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: like that she's not a terrifying religious zealate in the

1701
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: way of Mike Pence, and on the optics of the

1702
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: debate and the type of political theater that is reward

1703
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 1: in such settings, I do think she performed well, and

1704
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: voters seem to agree. Poles following the debate showed the

1705
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: former South Carolina governor receiving high marks. Most had her

1706
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 1: coming third to just Ramaswami and DeSantis. One even had

1707
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,799
Speaker 1: her quote winning the debate overall, but even with Haley

1708
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 1: vastly exceeding ex dictations and performing to probably the peak

1709
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 1: of her abilities. The limits of her throwback Reagan era

1710
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 1: politics are obvious in her continued low pulling support. In

1711
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: the post debate polls, the very best for Haley showed

1712
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 1: her barely jumping into double digits, barely threatening DeSantis, let

1713
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 1: alone Trump. That an elite pro Nikki consensus formed so

1714
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 1: quickly really reveals that these people still have no clue

1715
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,879
Speaker 1: about how to actually defeat Donald Trump, no idea about

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Speaker 1: how much contempt the American people have for them and

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Speaker 1: for their failed ideology. Elites have long fantasized that Trump

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Speaker 1: is the whole problem in American politics, so we could

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Speaker 1: just somehow get rid of him, then politics could get

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Speaker 1: back to quote normal, a normal which included endless class

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Speaker 1: warfare against working class people and ever skyrocketing inequality. But

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Speaker 1: just take a look at this. If you remove Trump

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Speaker 1: from this up primary, it's not the throwback Nikki Haley

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Speaker 1: candidates who rise to the top. It's the candidates who

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Speaker 1: most closely impersonate the big guy. Ramswami leads at twenty

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Speaker 1: four percent, DeSantis to satistically tied with him at twenty

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Speaker 1: three percent. No one else cracks double digits. This is

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Speaker 1: nothing to celebrate. By the way, guys, Vivek is a

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Speaker 1: full on climate denier who, out of ambition and political experience,

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Speaker 1: is eager to watch the world burning even faster. DeSantis

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01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: merrily uses immigrants and trans people as human pawns for

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Speaker 1: political advantage in whatever culture war happens to be hot

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Speaker 1: online that day. Both of them want a wage war

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Speaker 1: on Mexico, apparently and presumably because they saw some poll

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Speaker 1: that said that's what the GOP base wants. But no

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Speaker 1: one should be surprised when Charlatan's rise to fill a

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Speaker 1: vacuum created by decades of disastrous policies which have destroyed

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Speaker 1: the middle class, commodified our entire lives, and sold off

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Speaker 1: our futures to the highest bidders. And until we address

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Speaker 1: that core rod, we are going to be left with

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01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: a kind of depressing politics which would force us to

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Speaker 1: choose between a Haley or a DeSantis, a Trump or

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Speaker 1: a Biden. In other words, Trump and is Wan, of

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Speaker 1: these they are a symptom of these deeper problems. But

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01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: Nikki Haley and her benefactors, they are the problem. And

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Speaker 1: the answers were nowhere to be found at last week's debate,

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Speaker 1: sacer what do you make of the Nikki Haley moment?

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Speaker 2: I was sort of amazed, and if you want to

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Speaker 2: hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber

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Speaker 2: today at Breakingpoints.

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Speaker 1: Dot Com, all right, sorry, what a you're looking at?

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Speaker 2: Well, while we were transfixed by Trump's mugshot and marveling

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01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 2: at the post GOP debate polls, some very different news

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Speaker 2: was happening far across the globe that may end up

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01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 2: being actually more important historically than anything else going on here.

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Speaker 2: The Bricks Nations, also known as Brazil, Russia, India, China

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Speaker 2: and South Africa, formally adopted six new countries into their

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Speaker 2: informal Economic Conference, explicitly challenging US Gemeny and gives us

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Speaker 2: a better glimpse at what a multipolar future may look like.

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Speaker 2: The new nations added include Iran, Saudi Arabia, the United

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Speaker 2: Arab Emirates, Argentina, Egypt, and Ethiopia. Important first to note

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Speaker 2: that the decision to formally invite these nations into the

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Speaker 2: Alliance at all is an explicit victory for China, it

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Speaker 2: sparred with its other Great Power Alliance member India, over

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Speaker 2: whether to expand the block at all. Clearly, India was outvoted,

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Speaker 2: with South Africa sitting also on the sidelines, as China

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Speaker 2: explicitly seeks to use the bricks to counterweight the Western

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Speaker 2: led g seven. Now, given China's victory in out voting

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Speaker 2: India in the Alliance, it is important then to further

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Speaker 2: note who and why. And it doesn't take a genius

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Speaker 2: to see what's going on here. The inclusion of Saudi Arabia,

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Speaker 2: the UAE, Iran, and Egypt is an explicit challenge to

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Speaker 2: the Western led order in the Middle East. These countries

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Speaker 2: collectively export a vast portion of the world's oil supply,

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Speaker 2: and China, of course, is sucking up as much as

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Speaker 2: it possibly can to fuel their industrial capacity and keep

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Speaker 2: up with the demands of the Chinese middle class. The willingness,

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01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 2: it seems here for Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the UAE and

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01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 2: Iran to even accept the Alliance invitation is an explicit

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Speaker 2: rebuke of President Biden, and it shows how much we

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01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 2: are already taking our eye off the ball where it

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01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 2: actually matters. China has already pulled off a massive diplomatic coup.

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01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 2: They're getting the Gulf Arabs and the Iranians to stop

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Speaker 2: hating each other and unite against the West. Furthermore, Saudi Arabia,

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01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 2: the UAE, and Egypt collectively have been given some untold

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Speaker 2: trillions of dollars in the US economic and military aid,

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Speaker 2: yet when given an invitation, they are happy to snub

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01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 2: their nose at Ust, even while all of them save Iran,

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Speaker 2: will still get some of the largest foreign aid distributions

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Speaker 2: of any other nations on Earth from the United States.

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01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 2: What might be an even more important legacy than a

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01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 2: slow realignment of the entire Middle.

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Speaker 3: East is also their open war on the US dollar.

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Speaker 2: President Lula of Brazil at the summit called outright for

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Speaker 2: a bricks nation to consider a common currency for trade

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Speaker 2: and investment between each other as a means of circumventing

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01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 2: the petro dollar. But also for a very obvious reason, China, Russia, India,

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01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 2: the Gulf Arab States and Iran are all pretty sick

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Speaker 2: of transacting in dollar terms after the war in Ukraine

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Speaker 2: that spurned Western sanctions on Russian oil, and to be clear,

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01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 2: they very quickly found a way around it. But now

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01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 2: instead of doing backroom deals. They want to see price

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Speaker 2: deals between themselves in their own denominated currency. This too,

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01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 2: is not just to ease trade, but to make it

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Speaker 2: effectively impossible for the long arm of Western sanctions to

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Speaker 2: touch any of these nations should conflict breakout, or if

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Speaker 2: the West seeks to compel any of their behavior with

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Speaker 2: sanctions in the future. In fact, something I warned about

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Speaker 2: in the very early days of the Ukraine War was

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Speaker 2: that we were wasting one of the most important levers

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Speaker 2: that we have on the global economy on a matter

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Speaker 2: that is of no importance to us. Our dominance of

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Speaker 2: the global financial system is something you should only leverage

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Speaker 2: in a time of imminent peril, and considering how little

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Speaker 2: that Ukraine actually matters to the US way of life,

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Speaker 2: I think it is now obvious it was a huge mistake,

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Speaker 2: because not only did it not work against the Russian

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Speaker 2: war machine, which is doing fine, but it also showed

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Speaker 2: our hand to nations like China with whom we may

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Speaker 2: find ourselves in a standoff over matters that actually matter

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Speaker 2: a hell of a lot more to us. They didn't

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Speaker 2: get to where they are about being stupid. They sought

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Speaker 2: and they immediately began sanction proofing their entire economy and

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Speaker 2: globe supply chain. Hence why it is such a diplomatic

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Speaker 2: coup to get the oil producing states into the Bricks

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Speaker 2: Alliance and the beginning of talks of trade between those

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Speaker 2: nations without the dollar. We may not have a goddamn

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Speaker 2: thing to say about any of this in the future.

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Speaker 2: Even nations not fully on board with the idea of

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Speaker 2: bricks currency, like South Africa and India, are still expressing

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Speaker 2: hope in moving to total denomination of trade in their

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Speaker 2: currencies at the Summit. All of this accelerated realignment against

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Speaker 2: the Western system is a direct consequence of our policy

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Speaker 2: towards Ukraine, again, a nation which matters less to us

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Speaker 2: in terms of trade, security and stability than every nation

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Speaker 2: that I just discussed here. In fact, the only reason

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Speaker 2: that the summit has gained any attention whatsoever is because

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Speaker 2: of Ukraine. Dozens of nations other than the ones I

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Speaker 2: listed here are lusting after brick status and eager to

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Speaker 2: get out from underneath the thumb of Western control. We

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Speaker 2: are watching directly and in real time those who don't

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Speaker 2: agree with us per pursue other suitors like China, or

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01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,799
Speaker 2: simply pursue independence of our reach. People should not construe

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Speaker 2: this monologue as saying the whole Western system is dead.

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Speaker 3: That is foolish, that is obviously wrong.

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Speaker 2: The only point is that the near seventy five years

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Speaker 2: of the Western led international order, which of course has

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Speaker 2: reaped gigantic benefits for the US economy in the US

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Speaker 2: way of life, is weaker today than it has been

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Speaker 2: for decades. We need to prepare vigorously for the unstable

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01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 2: system which our foolish leaders have brought Biden the Washington establishment.

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01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 2: They have tied our fates completely to the sinking boat

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01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 2: of Europe, which is mired in demographic and economic decline,

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01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 2: while the rest of the world, who we actually depend

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01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 2: on to fund the American way of life, goes in

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01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 2: a completely different direction. The more that the gap in

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01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 2: those interests accelerate, the more uncertainty is injected into the system,

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01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 2: and the more likely that war breaks out, putting millions

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Speaker 2: of people at risk. We have absolutely nobody to blame

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01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 2: but ourselves for this situation. So anyway, I see a

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Speaker 2: lot of people being like bricks.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Cyber's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much for watching. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead and sign up if you can. We've got

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Speaker 2: those fun focus groups, polls, all that stuff that we're

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Speaker 2: working on in the future.

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Speaker 3: You guys enable us in order to do that.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise, we've got a great show for everybody tomorrow and

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Speaker 2: we will see you that