1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: to the show, Ridiculous Historians. We always say thank you 3 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: for tuning in, but in this case especially, thank you 4 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: very very much. Uh and and thank you Noel for 5 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: being here too. I'm worries been Um, you're a little 6 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: farther across the table than I'm used to. I kind 7 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: of want to. I want to reach out and touch you, 8 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: but you're just gonna be on my grasp reach out 9 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 1: and touch Ben. Ben. I got a question why, More 10 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: so now than ever, I don't understand what's the occasion? Right, 11 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: this is not a reference to Fox News, and in 12 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: no way is this an endorsement of that network. You 13 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: and I know are here in recording for the first 14 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: time in sunny l A. We are in the way 15 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: cooler Los Angeles studios, in our Atlanta digs man. They're 16 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: pretty cool too. They're you know what, maybe I am 17 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: accidentally negging because this this is all shiny new car smell. 18 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: For me, it feels dare I say luxurious. We even 19 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: have a shiny new car smell super producer that comes 20 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: with the package. That's right, That's right, Our superproducer, Casey 21 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: Pegrom as always is here in spirit while he's holding 22 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: down Atlanta HQ. We are immensely privileged to be joined 23 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: with our l A super producer, Daniel Goodman. How's it going, Daniel? 24 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: It's going excellently. Thrilled to be here with you both 25 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: and we feel the same good Sarah. Is he get 26 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: his own sound effects since he spoke on the mic? Uh? Yeah, 27 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: I think so. Can it be like a red hot 28 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: Chili peppers whammy guitar kind of dive only just because 29 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: that's the most cliche californ anything I can think of it? Yeah? 30 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: Are you okay with that? I would be honored truly. 31 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: This guy's energy right, it does have a good vibe. Um. 32 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: Speaking of vibes, how do you feel about luxury? I 33 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: we were talking about this. It's funny because you and 34 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: I often when we're when we're hanging out, before we 35 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: start rolling, we end up just shooting the breeze, and 36 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: then part way through we say, you know what, we 37 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: should have been recording this. So this is the conversation 38 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: that we're having earlier. I don't know about you, know, 39 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: but I have always had a strange relationship with the 40 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: concept of luxury because luxury itself is so relative and comparative, right, 41 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 1: Like in in places where people are starving, being able 42 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: to eat is a luxury. In places where people are 43 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: very well to do, small things like a bag of 44 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: cash shoes might be this luxury. Right. How do you 45 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: feel about like fine linens and cushions and you know, 46 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: massages and oils otions. I appreciate it. Don't know why 47 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm going down this road. I appreciate all of them, 48 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: except for massages. You know how I am about strangers 49 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: touching me? But what about you? Man? How about jewels 50 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: and gold and fine specifically picking stuff that terrified with 51 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: your with your hands? But yeah, what about you? I 52 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: don't know, man, I'm I'm I'm. I'm fine with the 53 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: opulent life, even though I don't live it, but I 54 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: like looking at other people that live it. Well, we're 55 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: getting there, and I don't want to put you on 56 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: the spot. But you know, longtime listeners, you will recall that, uh, 57 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: my ride or die nol here has a has a 58 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: past in the opera houses of great renown. You know 59 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: you moved in some rarefied air. Well. They let me 60 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: sit in the corner and sniff the rarefied air in 61 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: a rarefied corner. Yeah, I, um, I've had recently, I've 62 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: had some weird luxury experiences on airlines. You know, we've 63 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: talked about this on the show before. You and I 64 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: have been traveling a lot. Luckily, I think we both 65 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: enjoy the experience of traveling. I don't know about you. Uh, 66 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to sound one percent here or anything, 67 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: but I tend to sleep better in moving vehicles than 68 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: I sleep anywhere else I've ever heard in my life. 69 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: Is it definitely not? But I understand where you're coming from. 70 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: And Ben, I mean, speaking of luxury, you have been 71 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: taking a lot of international flights lately, um, and you 72 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: tend to occupy these more kind of luxury sleeper type 73 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: cabins because of because of your You've got some connects, 74 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: right Yeah. Yeah, So I have ended up being a 75 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: plus one kind of trophy for my girlfriend and as 76 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: a result, because she works with an airline, as a result, 77 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: we end up looking out into these, uh, these cabins 78 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: that I believe I have no business being and I 79 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: have no business and this class. No, So you're like 80 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: arm candy for her, is what you're saying. I alright, 81 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: she has trots you out terrible taste, and dude, it's 82 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: luckily for me. But I've also noticed that in these 83 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: these cabins, the foods a little nicer, you get, you know, 84 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: it's not like just the crave box with your cheese 85 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: that's in your your yogurt or whatever it is, or 86 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: your hummus. It's more like a filet and like some vegetables. 87 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: And there's even a hashtag your gir girlfriend follows called 88 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: like flight food or something like that. It's a thing. Yeah, yeah, 89 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: it's the thing. There's this entire community online that just 90 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: post pictures of different food they eat on airlines, very specific. 91 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: It's yeah, I love you know, I think we both 92 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: love very specific communities. And this is this is a 93 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: crazy when the blogs alone are fantastic. You can you 94 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: can search any airline past or present, and you won't 95 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: learn much about the aircraft, but you will learn what 96 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: what kind of stuff they serve and the business class stuff. 97 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: What was it? Time is so funny? Times such a 98 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: flat circle. It was a few weeks ago. I want 99 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: to say it was a week ago or just just two. 100 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: When you and I and are a good pal Matt 101 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: We're sitting down with John Hodgeman and he was telling 102 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: us about his surreal experience being a a medallion status. 103 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: He's he's a chaser. He's a medallion chaser. That's right. 104 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: He was chasing that diamond medallion status, which is very ephemeral. 105 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: As it turns out. I thought, once you had it, 106 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: you had it for life. But you gotta keep like 107 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: you know that XP wears off very quickly. And uh, 108 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: you know, I I've felt for you because I I 109 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: was looking up to you as you're you're close right, 110 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: I'm approaching silver and I was told by Mr Hodgeman 111 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: and no uncertain terms, I that is a trash medallion. 112 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: It's it's a non medallion. Yeah, you can listen to 113 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: that episode of stuff they don't want you to know. 114 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,679 Speaker 1: And John at some point just stops responding to Noel, 115 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: and whenever Noel mentions it, he just sort of screams. 116 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: I had questions. I was trying to understand how the 117 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: points work, and there's different milestones that you reach that 118 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: that give you the next boost to the next level 119 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: level up. I guess he would not engage with me 120 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: because I was far, far too much beneath him. Um, 121 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,559 Speaker 1: but we're not talking about medallions today. Where we started 122 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: talking about luxury and then we got derailed a little bit, 123 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: which I love. Um. Do you remember have you ever 124 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: seen or heard any stories about led Zeppelin's luxury plane, 125 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: private plane called the Starship. I have heard of the Starship. Yeah. 126 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: So it had like a full lounge with an electric 127 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: organ and like at the time it was a cutting 128 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: edge like video system where they could play films and 129 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: it was absolutely the height of decadence and dare we 130 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: say luxury. And there was a time this is a 131 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: Boeing seven oh seven after a two hundred thousand dollar renovation, 132 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: the plane would have been leased. They didn't even own 133 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: it for dollars per flight and it was just like, 134 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: you know, absolute represent inunted that led Zeppelin decadence with 135 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, coke fueled parties with Elton John and Eric 136 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: Smith and all that stuff. We're not talking about that 137 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: exactly today, but there was a time where that level 138 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: of at least aesthetic loungeness could have possibly been available 139 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: to uh folks like me or you. Yeah, it could 140 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: have become the norm. You know, today a lot of 141 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: people who travel by air have have a core common 142 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: understanding of the different problems, you know, like security stinks, 143 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: I hate waiting in line, no one wants a middle seat, 144 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: and flying it can be such a hassle in the 145 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: modern day. But back in the glory days of regulated 146 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: air travel, we saw things like that led Zeppelin play right. 147 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: We saw things like, uh, for anybody who's a fan 148 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: of Austin Powers, you'll you'll notice they have this stuff 149 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: about luxury airlines there and as part of his yeah 150 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: baby status. That is because is of something called the 151 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: Civil Aeronautics Board. Before nineteen seventy eight, the Civil Aeronautics 152 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: Board controlled prices and roots for all all of the 153 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: planes in the US, and that meant that carriers couldn't 154 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: really compete like you're just for example, your your Frontier, 155 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: your Spirit or your Delta or your Alaskan Airlines or whatever. 156 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: They couldn't mess with each other too much on prices, 157 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: nor could they have a lot of agency with roots. 158 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: So the only way they could compete to get more 159 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: customers was based on how they served their customers, you 160 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that meant they started installing 161 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: some of that stuff you described, which we could describe 162 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: a little bit more. Uh, like the remember the Tiger Lounge. 163 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: I don't remember it personally because it's never lucky enough 164 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: to to travel. We were born then on the and 165 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: the Tiger Lounge, but yeah, it's true. So in nineteen 166 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: seventy the first Boeing seven forty seven jet was introduced, 167 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: and it uh in order to kind of take advantage 168 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: of the massive amount of space that a big jet 169 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: like that had. Um and again at the time where 170 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: the idea of competing for customers attention and and dollar 171 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: was a big deal between the airlines, so uh, they 172 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: there was this thing called the Tiger Lounge, which was 173 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: kind of in the guts of the Boeing seven seven. 174 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: This was only a prototype, and it had things like 175 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: I had really bespoke glass top bar and like tiger 176 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: print black leather seats, and there was even a glass 177 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: bottom boat type situation that allowed you to look down 178 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: into the you know, the abyss, which after some drinks, 179 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if that would have been a good idea. 180 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: That would have kind of freaked me out and made 181 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: me question my mortality a little too much. A window 182 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: on the side I can handle, but straight down I 183 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: don't know. About that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Also, for anyone 184 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: who hasn't seen the Los Angeles studio, Dan only gotta 185 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: tell you it freaks me out to know that there's 186 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: a glass bottom on the second floor. You saw that, right, 187 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's weird. It is weird. I don't want 188 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: to have meetings in there. I don't. I don't look 189 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: up and there people peering down ato you. It's very disconcerting. 190 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: I don't know why I've found a new weird neuroses. 191 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: I don't want people to see the top of my 192 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 1: head during meetings. You've been I've been looking it at 193 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: that time. But you're right. Well, you're right because the 194 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: Tiger Lounge sort of echoes the the aesthetic of very 195 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: fancy luxury cruise liners, you know. And because the Civil 196 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: Aeronautics Board is no more, you're much less likely to 197 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: see things like piano bars, which used to be in 198 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: both first class and coach. You're less likely to see 199 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: a Parisian chef preparing meals, and you're less likely to 200 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: see these like fashion plate uniforms for flight attendants. You're 201 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: less likely to see a lot of stuff, and that's 202 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: because in night the reason that you and I and 203 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: Danill missed. This glorified era of fancy airline travel is 204 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: because in Congress enacted something called the Airline Deregulation Act. 205 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: This is the reason we went from things like Tiger 206 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: Lounges to Spirit and no ding on Spirit. Spirit is 207 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: a budget airline that will get you where you need 208 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: to go. The idea here was ostensibly that the act 209 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: of deregulating the airline market would allow the average Jane 210 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: and John Doe or Smith or whatever you know, anonymous 211 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: name you want to use, to have access to this 212 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: mode of travel, which was so much faster than a 213 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: car or than a train at the time, and they 214 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: would have never been able to afford it otherwise. The 215 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: reasoning went, and this opened up a new plane field 216 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: because you know, as we said at the top airlines 217 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: in the US originally could not compete on price, and 218 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: they couldn't really compete on routes, so they had to 219 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: compete on customer service. But now that they could compete 220 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: on the basis of price, they could really talk turkey 221 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: and they could undercut their competitors and stuff all the 222 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: customer service bells and whistles right that that all fell 223 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: to the wayside, it didn't need it wasn't part of 224 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: the model anymore, right, But why Ben, I'm still a 225 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: little bit confused, Like was it because they're the competition 226 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: had gotten to stiff and there were like empty flights 227 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: or something like that. Like I'm a little confused as 228 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: to how deregulating would cause this change. Yeah, Yeah, And 229 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: and what the move, what the drive to deregulation would 230 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: have been, right, because again, ostensibly, you know, emphasize that word, 231 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: please hear that in italics. Ostensibly this is meant to 232 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: bring air travel to the people. However, there was something 233 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: that occurred called the air mail scandal, and this occurred 234 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: way back in the nineteen thirties. This was a congressional 235 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: investigation on um on corruption, on nepotistic awarding of contracts 236 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: to certain airlines to carry mail. Yeah, and because of that, 237 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: people were much more in favor of government regulation originally, 238 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: and now more and more in these are modern days, 239 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: we'll hear people arguing against regulation, often often with some 240 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: sort of ulterior motive. But what happened with regulation the 241 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: airline industry is that it began to have the opposite 242 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: effect to what Congress originally wanted. It to do because 243 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: they wanted to regulate flights to make sure that airfare 244 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: was in their fairly priced and that planes would not 245 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: be in a situation where there would be empty flights. 246 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: Like even now, even today, in a deregulated environment, the 247 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: three of us could buy plane tickets and someone may 248 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: have sold us more tickets than there were seats on 249 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: the plane. Yeah, I mean, it's absolutely a rarity to 250 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: ever be on a flight where there's even one empty seat. Yeah, 251 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: I don't know that I've been on it. I mean 252 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: I had a middle free middle seat on this last 253 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: flight that I took, and that was just like a 254 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: dream come true. You know, I could stretch my one 255 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: leg out to the side, I could use that middle 256 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: trade table as an additional table that I had to 257 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: get into an agreement with my other seat. May It 258 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: was like, hey, man, is this cool. I'll have this side, 259 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: you can have that side. You know. It was great. 260 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: But that's that's very unusual. Now I get it now, Ben, 261 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: I guess the the the the issue for me was 262 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: the disfluency of like, you know, regulation good, deregulation bad. 263 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: But it was that regulation that was causing the airlines 264 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: to prosper right, but it maybe was keeping fair higher 265 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: and there wasn't enough competition um and so it wasn't 266 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: necessarily good for the consumers. And then I believe that 267 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: it get to a point where the Civil Aeronautics Board 268 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: was seen as having kind of um run its course 269 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: at this point in time, late nineteen seventies. What they're 270 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: seeing is that they're regulated airlines, and those are the 271 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: legacy airlines, and then there are these upstarts where I 272 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: should say, start up airlines that are unregulated. So Congress 273 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: compares the basic fare of a ticket and they say, 274 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: let's look at what it costs someone to fly on 275 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: a regulated airline and what it costs to fly on 276 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: an unregulated airline. And then they said, oh wow, click 277 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: lightbulb moment. Unregulated airlines charge way less money per ticket, 278 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: and we should help people get some savings, and therefore 279 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: we're helping more people to fly, which in the long 280 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: term arguably helps this industry. There's a guy from Cornell University, 281 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: Alfred E. Kahn k A h N, and he was 282 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: he was according to a great article on air and 283 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: Space dot s I dot e du, he was one 284 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: of the first academics to look at the airline industry 285 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: simply and solely as a business. And he said, if 286 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: we break up this regulated structure that we have, we 287 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: will create new space for new airlines, will increase competition 288 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: therefore will lower these fares. And Carter actually appointed him 289 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: as the chair of the Civil Aeronautics Board to lead 290 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: the charge into this new era of deregulation. And at 291 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: the time, um the major airlines were against it, which 292 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: is interesting, right, You would think they'd be like more money, 293 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: more money, or like, you know, less fewer rules, more money, 294 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: we can do whatever we want. But again, that's that's 295 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: the thing you kind of have to wrap your head around. 296 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: This idea of regulation was more or less in the 297 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: best interest of the airlines rather than the consumer. And 298 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: this it's it's just kind of it's a little tricky 299 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: for me. Even like when you uh, deregulate something, you 300 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: think that means it's a free for all now, but 301 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: it didn't quite mean that in the situation at all, right, yeah, exactly. 302 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: And so when Congress pushed this through and and Carter 303 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: signed the Deregulation Act, which was specifically October, so the 304 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: anniversary is coming up if you're looking for something strangely 305 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: specific to celebrate. When they signed this Deregulation Act, they 306 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: fundamentally changed the airline industry and we're still feeling the 307 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: effects of this today. The Deregulation Act eventually dissolved that 308 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: Civil Aeronautics Board, which again ALFREDY. Khan had run for 309 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: a time, and now US airlines were no longer regulated 310 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: the way that a public utility is regulated, and this 311 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: led to the death of some iconic famous airlines. Without 312 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: this regulation, outfits like PanAm or Eastern Airlines couldn't compete 313 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: because there were new, younger airlines that were coming in. 314 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: They were coming in hot, you know what I mean. Yeah, 315 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: But pan M two is like the quintessential luxury type 316 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, iconic sixties seventies airline that you think of, 317 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: like with these kinds of lounges in these piano bars 318 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: and the very very stylish flight attendants and all of that, 319 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: and like the kind of cocktail our culture. Like I think, 320 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: wasn't there a TV show about PanAm? I mean, PanAm 321 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: shows up in a ton of films, for sure, Yeah, 322 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: and it was in Catch Me if you can, for sure. 323 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: But I feel like there was actually a series sort 324 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: of recently about the history of Panama. It was like, 325 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, about that whole kind of universe. You're right, Nola. 326 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: A quick a quick look online tells me that not 327 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,959 Speaker 1: only was there a TV series about PanAm, it is 328 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: called pan Birst of Creativity, Burst of Creativity. I love, 329 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: I love to attribute that. Yeah, the the deregulation knocks down, 330 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: knocks down these formerly herculean legacy carriers and introduces a 331 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: new species of airline, the low cost carrier or LCC. 332 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: So essentially it just lowered the barrier to entry into 333 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: the field. Right, Yeah, So what maybe once was not 334 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: a monopoly necessarily, but at the very least a very 335 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: tight knit group of competitors that more or less weren't 336 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: after each other. There was enough, you know, money to 337 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: go around. Now the field is kind of flooded with 338 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: all of these young, whipper snapper airlines, and nobody really 339 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: cares about the luxury stuff anymore because they have more 340 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: access to cheap tickets and travel that a certain segment 341 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: of the economy would not have had before. It was 342 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: much more exclusive. Even if there was a coach kind 343 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: of piano bar situation, it still would have been way 344 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: out of reach for most you know, lower to middle 345 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: class Americans, and a lot of people prior to the 346 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: seventies were traveling. This may surprise some of our younger listeners. 347 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: That certainly surprised me. A lot of people prior to 348 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: the seventies. Instead of traveling in luxury airlines, they were 349 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: traveling in luxury buses and coaches. There's a great museum 350 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: in Hershey, Pennsylvania where you can see uh, tons of 351 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: literally tons of these buses that have you know, uniformed attendance. 352 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: They have a beverage cart and food service. So we're 353 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: still in a situation where people have expected this, and 354 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: now with deregulation, someone's able to say, well, I may 355 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: not get you know, I may not get my fine wine, 356 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: and I may not get I don't know, I'm making 357 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: stuff up my my foot massage cushions and linens and 358 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: oils and lotions. Yeah, yeah, I may not get all 359 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: of these things. Uh, and I may be eating a 360 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: microwave meal or just some peanuts. Microwave was considered very 361 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: very forward, very futuristic at the time. I mean that 362 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: was earlier than that. But remember when the microwave was 363 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: like it's called you know, microwave cooking was like the 364 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: wave of the future, and they'll be like microwave cookbooks. 365 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: I think that was probably more in the fifties. Yeah, yeah, 366 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: I think right. Maybe they were more on a toaster 367 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: oven vibe, but they are. Point is that people would say, Okay, 368 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: I may not get all this stuff, but I can 369 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: travel faster than I ever have before, and I can 370 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: finally afford it. And this means that now what people 371 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: expect when they buy a ticket has changed, and there 372 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: are some success stories like today Southwest Airlines is the 373 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: largest domestic carrier in terms of like how many butts 374 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: they put in seats and then in the air and 375 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: then down on the ground. Can I throw a little 376 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: shade real quick? Yeah? Please, I really shade. I just 377 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: you know, we're lucky. We travel a lot for work, 378 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: and so we're able to book whatever airline is most convenient, 379 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: and so I tend to book Delta, and I flung 380 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: exclusively on Delta for quite a while and then ran 381 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: into a situation where I was coming out here to 382 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: l A and the Delta flight was just exorbitantly more 383 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: expensive because wayed too long to book. So I did 384 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: my first Southwest flight, and I was shocked, Ben, at 385 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: the lack of luxury. You were shocked. There wasn't even 386 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: a USB charger, There were no there were no seatback screens. Dude. 387 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: Was their WiFi barely? It was like one g? It 388 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: was like a half a g. How long was the 389 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: flight long? Do you feel like now you're you're you're 390 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: a Delta boy through and through? I mean, I think 391 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: I have to be. But here's what happened, Ben, I 392 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: had I I assumed, surely there's a way to charge 393 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: my device, so I wasn't paying any attention. I was 394 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: just using it willy nilly, you know, in the terminal, 395 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: taking videos, snap chatting, you know, crushing candies. And then 396 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: I get on the plane and I'm like, excuse me, 397 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: excuse me, Matt, miss uh where where where's the outlet? 398 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: And she just looked at me with disdain and rolled 399 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: her eyes and scoffed at me, and and and and 400 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: and walked away. And and I had to I had 401 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: to I had to think. I had I was, I was. 402 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: I had to be with my own thoughts. You hate that, terrifying, dude, 403 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: It was terrifying. I would occasionally like turn the phone 404 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: back on even though I had three percent battery left, 405 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm gonna ration myself out five seconds 406 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: of screen time at a time. Well, I'm glad, I'm 407 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: glad you made it, you know. And that's that's an 408 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: interesting anecdote because it goes into what we're what we're 409 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: saying here, which is it's less a man. Luxury again 410 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: is relative, right, it's comparative. Luxury is based on expectation, right. 411 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: And for you, if had you gone into that situation 412 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: knowing what the score would be, it would have been 413 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:51,479 Speaker 1: a little less um surprising, right, Yes, And we're at 414 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: the point especially if you travel, Uh, if you become 415 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: accustomed to the same thing, and I'm not saying like 416 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: fancy tiger skin piano bars, but if you're accustomed to 417 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: something like a USB charger, then it doesn't feel like 418 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: a luxury. Well, it goes back to what you said 419 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show bad. The idea of 420 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: luxury in and of itself is subjective, right, Like you know, 421 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: a USB charger on a plane compared to no USB 422 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: charger on a plane, to me, is luxury, or at 423 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: least at the very least based on my expectation, and 424 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: the ability to fly at all for many people is 425 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: a luxury. The to me, the ability to fly is 426 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: definitely a luxury because you know, I have this bad 427 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: habit where I always start rationing out hours and thinking 428 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: in terms of what I could have done, how long 429 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: something would have taken. So if I'm on a four 430 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: hour flight and I'm thinking, well, how long would it 431 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: take for me to drive? Right? And then how long 432 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: would it take for me to walk? And you know, 433 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: or ride a horse or something, which I'm still not 434 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: solid on the numbers there. I haven't haven't done my 435 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: horse research yet, but but we think about it, and 436 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: it is this enormous luxury. And now that we are 437 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: in this era of deregulation, and now that we also 438 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: have people uh in institutions advocating for fewer plane flights 439 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: due to environmental concerns, we have to ask ourselves is 440 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: this a sustainable thing? Because when when the deregulation occurs, 441 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of new airlines come up and then a 442 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: bunch of them die, they go to put uh, they're 443 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: stocks crash. Remember Trump airlines? I do, and not personally, 444 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: but I remember reading about it. That was the thing 445 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: that lasted about five minutes. Yeah, yeah, up there with 446 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: Trump Casinos, Trump Steaks. I think Virgin is still a 447 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: thing that did Virgin die and that was one of 448 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: that was one of the new entries into the field 449 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: of recent years, and I think it's still around. Yeah, 450 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: Virgins going alive and kicking. We got the thumbs up 451 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: from down huge, huge fan of Virgin Airlines. I mean, 452 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: I think there's neat things about Virgin Airlines. I think, 453 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: isn't there something cool about it? What? What? What? What's 454 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: the gimmick for Virgin Airlines dandald you know, uh, you know, 455 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: fancy purple lighting on the inside. See you there you go. 456 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: That constitutes luxury, Yeah, exactly, luxury on on a budget. Um. 457 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: But no, it's absolutely true. And then you have like 458 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: you know, again, Delta is probably considered more of a 459 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: premium airline because the ticket prices are always a good yeah, 460 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: and again for good reason, not good reason really because 461 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: again if you go you compare to the way it 462 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: was in the sixties and seventies where you had like 463 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: you said, you know, infinity pools and you know, glass 464 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 1: tabletops and belly dancers and then all of a sudden, 465 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: there's just uh there, there's the first robot ever. Graham 466 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: of Cocaine came with your tickets, right, that was that 467 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: was that was part of the course. And it, you know, 468 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: obviously pales in comparison. But then you compare having a 469 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: little bit more leg room that that that constitutes luxury 470 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: at this point, you know, I mean, you think about 471 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: howmuch people pay for a first class ticket. All you're 472 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: getting is a slightly wider seat and the ability to 473 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: stretch your legs out a little bit, and a trade table, 474 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: better snacks and maybe a compliment. You get served first, 475 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: and you get to get on the plane first. Because 476 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: travel has become such a nightmarish hellscape in terms of 477 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 1: just getting to the airport, how congested it is now. 478 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: We've got all the security regulation and taking off your 479 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: shoes every time I go through through security. I've kind 480 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: of trained my mind not to look at it to 481 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: such an affront anymore. I just sort of turn off 482 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: my brain until I get on the other side. But 483 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: it's stressful, Yeah, it's stressful. That's why I I always 484 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: end up getting to a gate all right if I 485 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: feel like I'm gonna be on time. I assume that 486 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: means I'm going to be late, you know what I mean. 487 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: And part of it is because the Deregulation Act worked, 488 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: airports are much more crowded, people can go places. We 489 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: also live in an increasingly globalized society, so we are 490 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: much more likely to know someone in in a distant 491 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: physical location. What are some other positives that came as 492 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: a result of of deregulation ben Ah, Yes, yes, yes, uh. 493 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: The hub and spoke system is one of the big ones. 494 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: So one of the reasons that people in the US 495 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: and in our part of the U s in Atlanta, 496 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 1: Georgia end up traveling Delta a lot is because Delta 497 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: is I wouldn't say a monopoly, but it's very much entrenched, 498 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: and Delta has their headquarters and their big hub in Atlanta. You'll, yeah, 499 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: you'll hear people say I like flying Delta. The thing is, 500 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: no matter where I'm going, I have to stop in 501 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: Atlanta first. It's a weird thing, but the the hub 502 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: and spoke system is essentially this. Some airports are used 503 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: as a connecting point for passengers coming from different places 504 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: and going to different destinations. Pretty much every airline except 505 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: for maybe like a person's private G six or something. 506 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,239 Speaker 1: They use this system and to this day, I mean 507 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: we talked about at the top of the show, Southwest 508 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: is still the hub for Southwest is in Dallas, I 509 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: believe that love Field. That's where you know, they were 510 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: one of the first low cost airlines to enter the 511 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: fray UH, and they have thrived, they continue to thrive 512 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: in their base there in Dallas, So you get a 513 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: lot of flights coming out West passing through Dallas or Houston. UM. 514 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: But for Atlanta is like the hub for like everywhere 515 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: in Atlanta still is uh. Depending on which metric use 516 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: it's still is the world's busiest airport, which always stuns 517 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: me because it feels like there should be bigger airports, 518 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: right I always thought that, Yeah, absolutely, But then you 519 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: go to like say LaGuardia in New York and it's 520 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: like being in you know, a third world country or 521 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: like a mad Max kind of situation. It's been under 522 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: construction renovation for like ever. And the reason for that, 523 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: it goes into one of the big drawbacks of deregulation 524 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: is the over congestion that we talked about and the 525 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: fact that a lot of airports are really really on 526 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: their last legs from being overused. I mean, originally a 527 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: lot of airports were built to handle around three hundred 528 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: flights today, and now because of that demand and that 529 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: um kind of evening of the playing field, they're hosting 530 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: more than a thousand flights a day. And so you 531 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: have places like LaGuardia that have been trying desperately to 532 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: kind of address that, but because it still has to 533 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: continue to be an active airport, you can't just shut 534 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: the airport down. You gotta kind of do it in 535 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: little bits and pieces. And I also tend to think 536 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: the mob has involved sort of like the Esplanade and 537 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: the Sopranos. I'm pretty sure there's something going on there 538 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: that place. Legardia has been a construction for a long time. 539 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't look like they have accomplished anything, but that's 540 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: just me. New Yorkers tell me I'm wrong. And so 541 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: the infrastructure can't handle what's happening. It's like we had 542 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: these parking lots, right, and these parking lots were designed 543 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: to fit cars, let's think of it that way, instead 544 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: of flights. Just for comparison, these parking lots were say, 545 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: designed to fit fifty cars, and now we have more 546 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: than two hundred and fifty cars, and we're we're putting 547 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: a lot of logistics and a lot of algorithmic magic 548 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: into figuring out how these can all get a parking 549 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: space for some amount of time. And we we see 550 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: the same thing happening with people because airport congestion doesn't 551 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: just stop at the gate or the terminal. Airport congestion 552 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: occurs when you're in the plane as well. Yeah, and 553 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: everybody wants convenience. Everyone wants to be able to pick 554 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: any potential time for them to leave and get their 555 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: destination on time, which means that a lot of people 556 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: are wanting to be in the air at the same time, 557 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: which puts a lot of stress on the infrastructure that 558 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: is government regulated, which is air traffic control. I'm so 559 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: glad you said that air traffic control. Just thinking of 560 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: working in air traffic control fills me with dread because 561 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: you're the conductor of this great, dangerous, terrifying orchestra in 562 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: the sky and you're working with very old tools and 563 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: nobody really wants to pay to update it. I still 564 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: think it's bonkers that airplanes still have ashtrays in them, 565 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: and then they feel the need to remind you that 566 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: you cannot smoke on this flight, like since the what 567 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: eighties in the US at least, I mean, I you 568 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: know what that reminds me of. That reminds me of 569 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: when you go to a gas station. I don't know 570 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: if you still see this, but I I see it. 571 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I still see this frequently. You go 572 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: to a gas station and they have the unnecessary sign 573 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: that tells you the gasoline is unleaded, and you know, 574 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: it begs the question like who wears all this leaded gas? 575 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: You know? I I understand how it might be weird 576 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: to change an ash tray, but I feel like you 577 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: could just get rid of the the sentence unleaded. I agree. 578 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: And speaking of fuel, that's another thing that goes to 579 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: waste as planes are delayed because of these issues because 580 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: safety is obviously key. I mean a mid air collision 581 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: that just sounds like, you know, absolute nightmare fuel. So 582 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of exactly, And that's true, 583 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: but they burn a lot of fuel just sitting on 584 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: the runway waiting to get, you know, get clearance to 585 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: take off. I've been in situations multiple times where you're 586 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: like number fifteen to take off for there's some kind 587 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: of you know, kerfuffle with their traffic control, and they 588 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: don't tell you. They just kind of like you just 589 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: sit there, and you're sitting there like idoling. And then 590 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: yet fuel on a runway which is super expensive, and 591 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,919 Speaker 1: then you get one of these oh this is your 592 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 1: speaking number fifteen? Why do they all talk like that number? 593 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: Fifteen dollars? How does that happen? Good? What is the 594 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: phenomenon that leads to that voice? So do you think 595 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: they talked to their kids in that voice too? I 596 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: don't know that would be upsetting to me growing up 597 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: with Do you think they whisper like into their ear 598 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: and they say, oh, good, good, good, good night John, John, 599 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: your daddy loves you so much when you wake up tomorrow. 600 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: It's like a Jimmy Stewart voice, kind of really slightly overcast. Uh, 601 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: first grade Bush delay fifteen minutes exactly. But yeah, yeah, 602 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: I mean that's a great point about the fuel. Let's 603 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: go inside the airline too, Uh, And notice that it's 604 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: true the seats are getting smaller. People who have ridden 605 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: airplanes for a long time, you're not crazy. In the 606 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, the seat was thirty four inches. Uh, and 607 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: then it turned to thirty two or even now there's 608 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: some that are twenty eight inches. And for any of 609 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: us who are very tall or have really tall friends, 610 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: like our pal Robert Lamb, you know that that seat's 611 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: got to be tortures, Oh, no doubt. And here get this, 612 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: this is a pretty interesting scoop. I didn't know this, 613 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: but it makes perfect sense. The reason Hartsfield Jackson International Airport, 614 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: or as the my favorite location hashtag Instagram is Hartsfield 615 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: LaToya Jackson International Hair Salon and spaceport. I like the 616 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 1: spaceport part, but I'm not a big fan of name. 617 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: You're not. It feels loaded, well whatever, and people might 618 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: not know about it if they're not from Atlanta, but 619 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: you know, if you've passed through, which you likely have, 620 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: and you were taking an Instagram photo, it tends to 621 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: come up as a location text. But Heartsfield Airport was 622 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: built after deregulation, so it was all of these things 623 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 1: were taken into consideration, which is what made it king. Yeah. Yeah, 624 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: And for comparison, Detroit's Airport, it's kind of like the 625 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: straight line. It was built before this hub and spoke 626 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: concept that came with deregulation, and so now we have 627 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: the lay of the land, or perhaps we should say 628 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: the scope of the sky. And I want to emphasize, 629 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: I want to make sure that you and I don't 630 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: sound like absolute heels. We're we're not jet setters. We travel, 631 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: we traveling coach. Absolutely. You you have been lucky enough 632 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: to be connected with an employee of a major airline, um, 633 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: and so you get those buddy passes on lock and 634 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: that's what allows you to travel in the international flights, 635 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: which I believe I'm not mistaken. I mean, the international 636 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: flights are going to be bigger and room here and 637 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: have more of these lounge areas anyway, because there's such 638 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: long flights right well, they're they're larger planes. I haven't 639 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: I haven't ever traveled an international route on a private plane. 640 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: But the good news for anybody who wants to see 641 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 1: an airborne episode of MTV Cribs or something like that, 642 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,839 Speaker 1: is that those things are still in the sky. There's 643 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: still these very very high end like cartoonishly offensively posh 644 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: airlines like Air Emirates or whatever. I used to watch 645 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: YouTube videos of people who would pay untold thousands of 646 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: dollars for what was essentially a studio apartment in the sky. 647 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: It's nuts and it's it's kind of like that led 648 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: Zeppelin stuff you were talking about. You can check out 649 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:47,439 Speaker 1: videos of the world's only private Boeing seven eighties seven Dreamliner, 650 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: which is palatial. And I know I used this word earlier, 651 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: but it's it's palatial, it's opulent, and it is offensive. 652 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: Can we say luxury again, just rolls off the tongue. 653 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: Luxury me just sound. We should do we should do 654 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 1: some we should do some fake advertisements just for like, 655 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: not not playing specifically, but just for the concept of luxury. 656 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: Maybe we can easter egg that one. But now that 657 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 1: is where we are. I have to ask you. I 658 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: have to ask you know, and I have to ask you, 659 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: Daniel and everybody listening to this show. Overall, given the 660 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: pros and the consent, we know, was the regulation a 661 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: good thing. I'm very surprised by my own response, which 662 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: is that yes, it appears so. I don't think that's 663 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: surprising at all. I mean, anything that um reduces the 664 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: exclusivity of a thing that is very, very valuable to 665 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 1: many many people, I think is ultimately a very good thing. 666 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,439 Speaker 1: And if you want to spend that cash and get 667 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: that two inches more of leg room and that champagne 668 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: cocktail or whatever, go with God. But at the end 669 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: of the day, we're just trying to get from playing 670 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: to point B and the fact that we can fly 671 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: in a magical two through the sky, you know, across 672 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: the country. It's pretty incredible, and that technology should be 673 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: available to everyone. What do you think? David wholeheartedly agree. 674 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: I think the more accessible the technology is, the more 675 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: we can allow people travel. Maybe their worldview opens up 676 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: as well. Oh nice social point is a nice touch. 677 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: I like that. Um, well, man, I think this is 678 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: it for our story today, is it not? Yes? This 679 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 1: is it. This concludes our episode, but not our show. 680 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much to everyone who tuned in. If 681 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: you want to continue the conversation, we would love to 682 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: hear your airplane uh stories of inspiration or your airplane 683 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: horror stories. You can find us on Instagram, you can 684 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: find us on Facebook, you can find us on Twitter. 685 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: Not just as a show, ridiculous histories everywhere. You can 686 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: just google that, but you can also find me and 687 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: Null in our own personal misadventures. I was gonna say, 688 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: as a people as a people. Yeah, yeah, the the 689 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: Nation of Ben and noll Um. You can find me 690 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: exclusively on Instagram. I don't I don't really tweet. I 691 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,720 Speaker 1: have a Lurker account, but I don't really post anything. 692 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: But on Instagram I post up a storm at how 693 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: Now Noel Brown and uh I am on. I am 694 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: doing various strange, completely non sketchy things on Instagram at 695 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: Ben Boland and you can also find me on Twitter 696 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: at Ben Bolan h s W. Thank you so much 697 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,439 Speaker 1: to our super producer dan'l. Thank you to our super 698 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: producer Casey pegram there in spirit. Thanks to Alex Williams, 699 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: who composed our theme. Christopher haciotis also here in spirit. 700 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland, the Quister. Uh, God only knows where he is, 701 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: but I hope he's okay because we haven't heard from 702 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: him in a while. I'm really starting to worry. You 703 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: can still find him on our Facebook community page, ridiculous Historian. 704 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: He larks, he lurks, he pops in, he'll chime in, 705 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: he's got some hot takes like that. He's gone like Kaiser, 706 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,240 Speaker 1: so exactly exactly, but we promise you he does exist. 707 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 1: I have a weird feeling that he will have a 708 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: spiky sense nool that he will be on the way 709 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. Thanks to research associate Gabe Lucier, 710 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: thanks to airport deregulation, and thanks to you Roal, and 711 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,839 Speaker 1: thanks to the l A Studio for having us for sure, 712 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: Thanks to you Ben Tallyho, See you next time, folks. 713 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: For more podcasts for my Heart Radio, visit the I 714 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to 715 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.