WEBVTT - BA Q&A: Shift Your Side Hustle

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, BA fam, It's time for the va qa A

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<v Speaker 1>the v a qa which say the va qa with

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<v Speaker 1>manday the va qa without Tiffany A. Hey, y'all welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>I am writing solo. Isn't it beautiful? How tiff and

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<v Speaker 1>I have just been there for each other this summer

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<v Speaker 1>I had a baby. She was like, I got you

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<v Speaker 1>go do that thing. And now Tiffany's taking a month off.

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<v Speaker 1>She's taking a supergirl to Paris, She's taking her to London,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not going to tell you everywhere they're going, y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>don't go try to find them, Okay, let them enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>their time in Europe, all right? I see how you

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<v Speaker 1>treat how you treat miss Tiffany at a Beyonce show,

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<v Speaker 1>Try and talk about your credit score on the floor

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<v Speaker 1>when Queen bees fan is blowing in the background. No no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no no. I will not give her location away. But

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<v Speaker 1>I am happy to be here as always with our

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<v Speaker 1>BA fam. And I got y'all, I got your career questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm even I'm gonna sneak a little business advice in

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<v Speaker 1>today because you know, I know some things now, tiffank

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<v Speaker 1>the only one, although if you haven't checked out her

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<v Speaker 1>mentorship program. What the hell are you waiting for? Go

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<v Speaker 1>to mymentor Tiffany dot com for twenty bucks a month

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, and you can join her Patreon

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<v Speaker 1>and she gives just like endless business advice and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a really amazing community that only Tiffany could create. As always,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm very excited about that for her. On today's

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<v Speaker 1>episode with Just Me, I'm going to be answering a

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<v Speaker 1>couple questions, like I said, tiptoeing into how you can

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<v Speaker 1>make your online business as a side hustle start thriving

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<v Speaker 1>so you can sort of move from side hustle to

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<v Speaker 1>full time hustle. Is that a thing? And then we've

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<v Speaker 1>got a really juicy question that I still haven't figured out.

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<v Speaker 1>How the hell I'm going to answer about a young

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<v Speaker 1>woman who is new at a job and wants to

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<v Speaker 1>quit after just two months, just two months on the job,

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<v Speaker 1>but could potentially make a huge raise if she does it.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get into it, y'all. I'm Mandy woodrif Santo's

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<v Speaker 1>aka Mandy Money. Y'all know I am a career and

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<v Speaker 1>negotiation expert. I have my own business called the Mandy

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<v Speaker 1>Money Makers, which is an online community for women of

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<v Speaker 1>color specifically, but you know we have other We have

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of women in the group. And I help

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<v Speaker 1>y'all master your careers. I help you learn how to

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<v Speaker 1>negotiate and to turbo charge your career so that finally

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<v Speaker 1>it's a wealth building engine and not just a job

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<v Speaker 1>from job to job. Right. So that's who you've got

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<v Speaker 1>talking to you today. I'm going to jump on into

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<v Speaker 1>the questions. Before I do, let me remind you how

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into today's question. I am going to start

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<v Speaker 1>with listeners. Sarah, who slid into my DMS at Mandy

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<v Speaker 1>Money on ig and has a really juicy question. She's

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<v Speaker 1>also from London, so that means I get to use

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<v Speaker 1>my Love Island accent and no one's here to tell

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<v Speaker 1>me to stop. So I'll just keep doing it. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hopefully you won't stop listening in your cars

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<v Speaker 1>or on your walks or wherever you are. All right, Sarah,

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Mandy, she'sa I love you in Tiffany. I listen

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<v Speaker 1>every week. I'm from London and although the finance systems

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<v Speaker 1>may be different, I was hoping to get some finance

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<v Speaker 1>and career advice from you. I called you, queen, caught you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a new mom. Oh she spells it. Mom, that's

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<v Speaker 1>so cute. Well, okay, I'll stop, it's too much. I

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<v Speaker 1>went back to work three months ago. My baby is

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<v Speaker 1>now ten months old. Congrats, lady. I am married. My

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<v Speaker 1>husband's currently working but doesn't have a permanent role, so

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<v Speaker 1>he's looking but hopefully we'll find something soon. I'm a teacher.

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<v Speaker 1>I also do wedding planning as a side hustle, but

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped for two years and I've recently started again.

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<v Speaker 1>Financially I should be a lot more secure, but due

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<v Speaker 1>to getting married two years ago and having a baby, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that'll do it. I don't have any savings. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a loan from the bank, which I will finish paying

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<v Speaker 1>off in March next year. We want to do things

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<v Speaker 1>like buy a home, but we're a long way away

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<v Speaker 1>from doing that, and as it happens, I am paying

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<v Speaker 1>for most of the expenses in her home Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I need to focus on getting my business

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<v Speaker 1>off the ground. Please can you give me some tips

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<v Speaker 1>on how I might be able to do this. I

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<v Speaker 1>currently get business from word of mouth, but I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to create a better online presence and hopefully get business

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<v Speaker 1>like that too. I have coordinated two weddings so far

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<v Speaker 1>this year. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much, Sarah. Okay, Sarah, I got you, and it

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<v Speaker 1>just sounds for you like there's a lot of life

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<v Speaker 1>happening right now, which is all beautiful. Congratulations on your baby,

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<v Speaker 1>Congratulations on your marriage. I know from experience, those are

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<v Speaker 1>two very expensive things. I spaced mine married in twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>first kid in twenty nineteen, a couple years apart, so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, not that far apart from you. It

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<v Speaker 1>is challenging, especially if the wedding itself, you know, was

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<v Speaker 1>expensive enough to deplete your savings and then you, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>turn around have the kid. I'm not going to spend

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<v Speaker 1>time because Sarah. Of course, if you went back in time,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you'd be like, maybe we should save more

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<v Speaker 1>for the wedding and set aside extra on the side.

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<v Speaker 1>But we all don't have that luxury, right. Can't just

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<v Speaker 1>not let life happen while we're waiting to have the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect amount of you know, savings in the bank. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys sound young. You did your thing, you got married,

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<v Speaker 1>you had a hope, it was a beautiful wedding, and

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<v Speaker 1>now you have a baby and you are where you are.

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<v Speaker 1>What's exciting about you and why am I really excited

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<v Speaker 1>that you've reached out is because you have so much potential.

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<v Speaker 1>You are working full time as a teacher, and believe me,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what it's like to be the bread winner

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<v Speaker 1>and the pressure that that entails, whether it's you or

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<v Speaker 1>your partner. But for it to be on your shoulders

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<v Speaker 1>while you're also in your first year of motherhood, oh girl,

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<v Speaker 1>I know exactly what you misbe feeling. And then on

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<v Speaker 1>top of that, you're going to want your thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>what more you can add to your plate. Like it's

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<v Speaker 1>not enough to be a new mom and to be

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<v Speaker 1>you know, covering the household bills and to have like

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<v Speaker 1>a side hustle. It's like, okay, well, let's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ramp this up even more. So, first, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to honor the fact that you have a lot on

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<v Speaker 1>your plate and you're incredible, Like all mothers are. We

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<v Speaker 1>will be striving to continue leveling up. And just because

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<v Speaker 1>you become a mom, it doesn't mean that you stop

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<v Speaker 1>having ambitions of your own. And you're finding out the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing that I found out about entrepreneurship, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like it's pretty great for moms. It's pretty great to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to work from home and make her own

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<v Speaker 1>hours and have flexibility. Like when I tell you when

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<v Speaker 1>I found out that the Universal pre K that we

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<v Speaker 1>were supposed to be so, I mean, I am excited

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<v Speaker 1>that we got through the lottery in our town to

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<v Speaker 1>get my kid into Universal pre K is only from

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<v Speaker 1>nine am to two pm. I'm sorry Universal for who

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<v Speaker 1>if you're working like part time at Target or something like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you understand even to pay, like you have to

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<v Speaker 1>pay to have extra care if you want to leave

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<v Speaker 1>your kid there past two pm and drop them off

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<v Speaker 1>before nine am. Like when the mom in the open

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<v Speaker 1>house at the pre k that I went to for

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<v Speaker 1>my son, when she raised her hand and was like,

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me, I live in Manhattan. That's about an hour

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<v Speaker 1>and a half commute. How and you don't let me

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<v Speaker 1>drop my kid off earlier than seven thirty? How Am

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<v Speaker 1>I supposed to be in my seat at work at

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<v Speaker 1>eight thirty or nine like I need to be. It's

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<v Speaker 1>insane what they ask us to do as parents, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So being an entrepreneur, like as you're probably thinking of,

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<v Speaker 1>and as I can attest to, it is so great

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<v Speaker 1>for moms, like for working moms, and I know so

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<v Speaker 1>many moms who choose to pursue entrepreneurship, myself included, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after having a successful sort of nine to five career,

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<v Speaker 1>not because you don't love what you were doing anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>but because life is changing and you need to change

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<v Speaker 1>along with it. All right, So I'll put that spiel aside,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just wanted to like acknowledge where you are, Sarah,

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<v Speaker 1>and let you know I see you. I deeply see you,

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<v Speaker 1>even in this message, Okay. And I'm really really proud

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<v Speaker 1>and just excited for you in general as far as

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<v Speaker 1>your wedding planning business. Okay, I love that for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I love and the fact that you know it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like my dad always makes us joke about if you

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<v Speaker 1>want a recession proof business just by a liquor store.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, it's always going to be liquor people always

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<v Speaker 1>going to want their alcohol. Okay. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that's true or not, but it seems right. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like weddings are an industry that is only going to

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<v Speaker 1>continue booming and booming and booming. A lot has changed

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<v Speaker 1>in our society, but we still love a party when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to celebrating love. So I feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely ripe for you know, new businesses to come.

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<v Speaker 1>And as an entrepreneur, it's perfect because like you can

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<v Speaker 1>take on one client, or two clients or three clients.

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<v Speaker 1>Now at this point you have been getting, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>word of mouth recommendations, which is amazing. What I love

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<v Speaker 1>about that. And it's similar to how I approached my

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<v Speaker 1>business as a career coach. Was I started out by

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<v Speaker 1>giving you know, a lot of free sessions because I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to build once one. There's a thing when you're

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<v Speaker 1>new at something, they can't complain if you're doing it

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<v Speaker 1>every right kind of but you feel less pressure because

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to be figuring out your approach. You're figuring

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<v Speaker 1>out what works for you. You're going to be figuring

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<v Speaker 1>out what systems and tools and processes make your planning easier,

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<v Speaker 1>what vendors you like and don't like, what you understand

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<v Speaker 1>about scheduling, how do you deal with you know, personality

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<v Speaker 1>differences from the bride side or the groom side, or

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<v Speaker 1>the grooms and the groom side, you know, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be fine tuning your skill set as a

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<v Speaker 1>wedding planner with your first clients. Right, So it's great

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<v Speaker 1>that you're getting word of mouth, but as you build

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<v Speaker 1>up that confidence, as you get those testimonials from your

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<v Speaker 1>clients saying how incredible you are, that's when you want

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<v Speaker 1>to start thinking about marketing it out. In my experience,

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<v Speaker 1>so when you so, for example, right now, what I

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<v Speaker 1>would say is if you're thinking about, like, okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>should be finding new clients on Instagram and social media.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a lot of people's first thoughts as entrepreneurs.

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<v Speaker 1>But as a wedding planner, think about where your perfect

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<v Speaker 1>customer is. Are you trying to plan weddings for people

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<v Speaker 1>around the UK? Are you trying to plan weddings for

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<v Speaker 1>people where you're going to be physically present, like need

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<v Speaker 1>to travel to wherever they're going to be getting married, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to think about where your customer lives, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you want to think about where you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>reach them. Of course, Instagram is great for attracting an

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<v Speaker 1>audience and gaining followers, and you could totally start making

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<v Speaker 1>reels today about what all goes into planning a wedding

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<v Speaker 1>and I would gobble that shit up. And so with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people, but I'm here in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm already married. I'm not your perfect customer, am I.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to figure out how to find people who

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<v Speaker 1>are engaged, about to be engaged, thinking about being engaged,

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<v Speaker 1>or getting remarried or whatever. You're going to want to

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<v Speaker 1>find them where they are and be sure that when

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<v Speaker 1>you do find them, they have the potential to actually

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<v Speaker 1>use your services. Right. So that's why I'm saying, just

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<v Speaker 1>think a little deeper about the whole social media thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it can be an incredible tool to

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<v Speaker 1>gain notoriety and to gain a following, But at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, you got to think about one

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<v Speaker 1>word conversions. How are you going to convert the person

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<v Speaker 1>who CLI follow on ig or TikTok into a customer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about that every day, Sarah. This week I

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<v Speaker 1>went viral on Instagram and I gained two thousand plus

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<v Speaker 1>followers in forty eight hours. But do you know how

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<v Speaker 1>many actually went through my forms to join my email list?

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<v Speaker 1>Like two hundred And I'm sitting here like, holy crap.

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<v Speaker 1>Two thousand Instagram followers is cute, but email is even

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<v Speaker 1>more powerful, And I need to figure out what is

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<v Speaker 1>broken in my funnel, Like that's what we call it

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<v Speaker 1>a little funnel because I brought them through the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the funnel. That's Instagram. Right. Why aren't they getting

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<v Speaker 1>to my email list? And what is it about my

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<v Speaker 1>sales my marketing that is not converting people to my

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<v Speaker 1>email Because when you convert them to your email, you're

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<v Speaker 1>much more likely to be able to sell your services

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<v Speaker 1>to them, because then you're going to get more intimate

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<v Speaker 1>with them. You're going to you know, cuddle up with

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<v Speaker 1>me in my email inbox. Okay, I'm going to move

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<v Speaker 1>you to the primary section. No more updates are social.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to be in the primary section. Okay. Gets

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<v Speaker 1>a real intimate okay, and you can actually engage with them.

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<v Speaker 1>You can you can put them into what I have.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, you join my email list and I start

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<v Speaker 1>sending you not every day. I'm not trying to spam,

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<v Speaker 1>but sending you like helpful content, valuable content. I'm nurturing

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<v Speaker 1>our relationship together. I'm trying to show you who I

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<v Speaker 1>am so you can get to know me, start to

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<v Speaker 1>engage even more with my content, and then maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>few months down the line, when I'm hosting when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>opening enrollment for the Mandy money Makers as I do periodically.

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<v Speaker 1>You're really excited by that point and you want to join,

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<v Speaker 1>or for example, for you, you want to be nurturing

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<v Speaker 1>that relationship so that when they get engaged, or if

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<v Speaker 1>they're engaged now, when they actually get serious about planning,

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<v Speaker 1>they think, I saw I remember that, like Sarah, that

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<v Speaker 1>wedding planner I just followed on Instagram, like last year,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember her. Let me go to my email and see,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what her website was. They're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to find you. So you're going to stick in

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<v Speaker 1>their mind, and that is why that relationship is so

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<v Speaker 1>important to nurture. So don't just think about social media.

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<v Speaker 1>Then how are you going to get them into your

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<v Speaker 1>world for real? Through email? Now, I have just shown

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<v Speaker 1>you that even I haven't mastered that. Some things I

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<v Speaker 1>do I get hundreds of email subscribers. Some things I

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<v Speaker 1>do I get, like I said, two hundred out of

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand new follows, Like damn, I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>should do better than that, right, So what I will

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<v Speaker 1>say is to start building your email list. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to find people who are going to be your perfect customer.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about how old, are they where do they live?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you going to have any particular niche like, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>my niches I really focus on women of color. So

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that I'm going to be turning away some

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<v Speaker 1>people who don't feel included in that, And that's okay

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<v Speaker 1>for me because I just want to be laser focused

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<v Speaker 1>because I know my message is going to appeal to

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<v Speaker 1>a woman of color between the ages of twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>to thirty five. Okay, so who is that person for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you going to specialize in elopements? Are you going

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<v Speaker 1>to do destination weddings? Are you going to do weddings

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<v Speaker 1>just in London and become the master planner for London

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, wherever in the UK you choose, think

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<v Speaker 1>about what makes you unique and then start to think

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<v Speaker 1>about how to tell that story to your you know,

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite customer. So then we've talked about social media.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's fine. I think you debt. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, you can definitely have it, but before you

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<v Speaker 1>go viral, you want to have the infrastructure to convert

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<v Speaker 1>those followers into customers. Okay, convert, convert, convert, How can

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about converting? So having a lead magnet is great.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, what if you create a document that is

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, you can do it in Canva, but

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<v Speaker 1>you aren't. You know, you're an expert at wedding planning

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<v Speaker 1>right now where you're becoming one. Maybe it's top ten

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<v Speaker 1>mistakes or the top you know, top ten wedding mistakes

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to make, or it's five ways to

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<v Speaker 1>save money on your wedding you have to get this guide,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, there's different ways you can entice people,

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<v Speaker 1>give them something valuable for free. For me, I have

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<v Speaker 1>four free scripts you can use to ask for a

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<v Speaker 1>raise at work right now, at work, right now, right

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<v Speaker 1>So that appeals to my favorite customer. She's someone who's

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<v Speaker 1>ambitious and wants to advance in her career but doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the language. I'm giving it to her and all

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<v Speaker 1>my colors. My branding is going to appeal to that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of person. So anyway, so think of something that

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<v Speaker 1>they really want, and you know how the best way

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<v Speaker 1>to get understanding of what they want is to really

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<v Speaker 1>survey the people that you're working with now, the people

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<v Speaker 1>that you are providing services for as a wedding planner. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>ask them what do you wish you would have had

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<v Speaker 1>starting out, what do you wish you would have known?

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<v Speaker 1>What could be helpful? Or here I made this thing

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<v Speaker 1>because you look it over, does it feel useful to you?

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<v Speaker 1>And then you create that download you create, you can go.

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<v Speaker 1>You can create a Squarespace website or very simply, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean shout out to Squarespace. They are a sponsor. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's other websites you can also do. But just

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<v Speaker 1>find the simplest way to get that form up so

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<v Speaker 1>you can link to it on your Instagram so when

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<v Speaker 1>they follow you, they can also go to your link

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<v Speaker 1>and join and get that freebie, and you can say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, get on the wait list. Here's a freebee.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, I'll let you know when I have

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<v Speaker 1>more wedding tips to share. And then you start to

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<v Speaker 1>build your email list at the same time while you're growing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and even then, just like me, you'll tinker with it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll kind of tinker and say, okay, well, this lead

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<v Speaker 1>magnet didn't really convert that much to like people sending

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<v Speaker 1>their emails, or maybe I need to have this or that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you'll you'll learn some things. Okay. I could go

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<v Speaker 1>on and on and on about this, But like, what

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<v Speaker 1>else could I say about, you know, shifting your side

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<v Speaker 1>hustle into a full into full time work as a teacher.

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<v Speaker 1>You have summers. I'm going to assume that you have

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<v Speaker 1>off or at least that's kind of perfect for you

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<v Speaker 1>as a wedding planner. So I feel like you're fine

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<v Speaker 1>to continue teaching while sort of treating your wedding planning

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<v Speaker 1>as a side hustle. I think that kind of works

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<v Speaker 1>in your favor. But think about the timelines of when

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<v Speaker 1>people get engaged. They're getting married in the summer, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're getting engaged around the holidays, right, think that's still

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<v Speaker 1>the most common time to get engaged. So you want

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<v Speaker 1>to think about starting this lead magnet, getting your email

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<v Speaker 1>lists built up like right now, heading into the fall,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you start getting people's attention now and then

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<v Speaker 1>you start building on that while they get engaged over

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<v Speaker 1>the holidays and they start googling for wedding planning in

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<v Speaker 1>the UK, they'll find you, my dear. Okay, so think

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<v Speaker 1>about that. It can feel really overwhelming to be starting

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<v Speaker 1>a business while also being a mom and a bread

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<v Speaker 1>winner at that, but don't let that sort of weigh

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<v Speaker 1>you down, think about what your ultimate goal is. It

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<v Speaker 1>is to be able to provide for your family, to

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<v Speaker 1>have the flexibility that you need in your schedule, and

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<v Speaker 1>to build something of your very own and that I

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<v Speaker 1>think is worth fighting for. I'm real excited for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say it takes time. It's going to take

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<v Speaker 1>time to build an audience. It's going to take time

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<v Speaker 1>to find your perfect customer. You're going to need support.

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<v Speaker 1>I need you to find two to three other wedding

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<v Speaker 1>industry people doing the kind of business that you want

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<v Speaker 1>to be doing. Go find them and start following them

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<v Speaker 1>and engage with them right now. Figure out where they

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<v Speaker 1>hang out. Figure out if there's a conference, if there's

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<v Speaker 1>like a mastermind group or something like that where you

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<v Speaker 1>can engage with people who are doing similar work to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because not to copy what they're doing. There's plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of space for all, y'all. Okay, there's plenty of room.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about finding that community and that support and the

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<v Speaker 1>people you can go to every day when you have

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<v Speaker 1>a question, you know, have you tried this vendor? Have

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<v Speaker 1>you thought about this? Have you you know, what about

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<v Speaker 1>the what about could I hologram the groom in because

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<v Speaker 1>he's trapped, you know, his flight, he didn't make his flight.

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<v Speaker 1>Those types of questions you can ask from your tribe,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, from the people that in your community that

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to build. And I think that that was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the smartest things that I did early as

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<v Speaker 1>an entrepreneur, was really put time and effort into building

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<v Speaker 1>those relationships with new peers so that I could feel supported. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I will leave it there. I really hope that that

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<v Speaker 1>was Those were some tidbits for you, for you that

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<v Speaker 1>you can use. Good luck with everything, and thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for tuning in from the UK. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>did have to end on a little British accent there, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>I watch way too much Love Island and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>ashamed of it. Do you have any idea how long

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<v Speaker 1>this show would be if Tiffany actually also watched television?

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<v Speaker 1>But she doesn't, so I have no one. She gives

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<v Speaker 1>me nothing about my reality TV obsession. Okay, it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>better for y'all, But I'm going to take a quick

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<v Speaker 1>break now and I'm going to come back and answer

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<v Speaker 1>question number two, So stay tuned, ba fan, I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>right back. Hey, ba fan, we are back with question

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<v Speaker 1>number two. It's me Mandy Money, writing solo without my

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<v Speaker 1>beloved Tiffany, but hopefully she's off gallivanting in Europe with

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<v Speaker 1>Supergirl and having an amazing time. I am also having

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing time, believe it or not, because I love

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<v Speaker 1>answering y'all's questions. And we have a brilliant question from

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<v Speaker 1>a listener today who wants to be called the Cashback Queen.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you might have to take that crown from

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<v Speaker 1>Tiffany because she is like the queen of cash back anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna give it to you because she's like

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<v Speaker 1>here to defend her crown, so you can wear it. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>Cashback Queen, here is your crown. I am a relatively

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<v Speaker 1>new grad as of December twenty twenty one, congrats, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in the early stages of my career. I just

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<v Speaker 1>started a new job as a market researcher at a

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<v Speaker 1>company and I've been there for almost two months. But

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<v Speaker 1>we've been experienced some turmoil in terms of reorganizational restructuring

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<v Speaker 1>of teams. People have been leaving and two people at

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<v Speaker 1>the VP levels were fired. Ooh juicy because the company

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<v Speaker 1>is moving from being a startup to an early stage company.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, this is not part of a larger layoff

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<v Speaker 1>for the future, but I'm not so sure, considering the

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<v Speaker 1>recession is looming. That being said, a recruiter at a

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<v Speaker 1>different research market company reached out to me and is

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<v Speaker 1>offering me thirty two k more than what I'm making

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<v Speaker 1>right now for the same position. The salary bump would

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<v Speaker 1>be life changing. Is it too early to leave a

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<v Speaker 1>company after being there for two months? Love the cash back, queen.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I was going to get some explanation of

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<v Speaker 1>why you deserve that crown, But it's fine, you can

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<v Speaker 1>keep the crown. Nothing about cash back here, but a

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<v Speaker 1>very very juicy proposition career wise. Okay, so a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of things. Hear you. I love here here. I love

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<v Speaker 1>that you are young. You just graduated a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, but you already understand that no one is safe,

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<v Speaker 1>not even you. And of course your company is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to tell you, oh yeah, this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be part of a larger layoff later, of course they

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<v Speaker 1>or not. They don't want to cause a panic and

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<v Speaker 1>they don't want more people quitting, right. I will say

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<v Speaker 1>that this is I'm actually kind of I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is good for you to experience early in your career.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of opportunities can come from turmoil. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like who I'm thinking about in this moment

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Whenever there's chaos in my house. You know

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<v Speaker 1>who always benefits My dog. She waits to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where she can. She recognizes the sound of when one

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<v Speaker 1>of us has made amsay, will me go oh crap

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<v Speaker 1>or ugh or ah or what like? She will run

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<v Speaker 1>into the room and look to see if food was involved.

0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.080
<v Speaker 1>And typically it is because we have a toddler and

0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.000
<v Speaker 1>we're always in the kitchen doing something with him, or

0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.360
<v Speaker 1>he's dropped something, something has spilled. And even if it's

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<v Speaker 1>not food related, let's say, you know, the baby has

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<v Speaker 1>a blowout diaper and we're like, oh no, she will

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<v Speaker 1>run in behind us while we're distracted by the baby

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<v Speaker 1>with the blowout, and she will find the food that

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<v Speaker 1>we have forgot lying on the table in her path

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<v Speaker 1>and she will gobble it up. Now, I need everyone

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<v Speaker 1>early in their careers or in their career in general,

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<v Speaker 1>to think of turmoil at the office as opportunity the

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<v Speaker 1>same way that my dog thinks of a blowout diaper

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<v Speaker 1>or spilled milk as an opportunity to come and get

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of extra something something, You know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, So for stick with me on this analogy, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>or the metaphor just to stay with me, because what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is that when things are kind of crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an opportunity for you to shine. It's an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>for you to swim, not just to take things that

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<v Speaker 1>you know are lying around, but to pick up opportunities.

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<v Speaker 1>So when people are leaving, that means they need a hero.

0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:11.200
<v Speaker 1>They need someone who can step up and help things

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<v Speaker 1>move a little bit smoother. So can you be the

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<v Speaker 1>most reliable person on your team right now? Like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I know someone so and so just left last week.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're looking to backfill the role, but in

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<v Speaker 1>the meantime, is there anything I can do to support you?

0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:26.359
<v Speaker 1>This is a great time to show that you're a

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<v Speaker 1>team player, that you think on your feet, you can

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<v Speaker 1>be flexible, you can roll with the punches. The last

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:34.560
<v Speaker 1>thing people want when the shit's hitting the fan at

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<v Speaker 1>a company, on their team, like bosses, managers, the last

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we want is for someone to be a

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<v Speaker 1>baby about it and to be like, oh, when the

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<v Speaker 1>change is happening, what does this mean? Talk to me?

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<v Speaker 1>Have a one on one every day so you can

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<v Speaker 1>quell my fears about life and my anxieties like we

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:53.159
<v Speaker 1>don't want that. Well, we deal with it, sure, But

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<v Speaker 1>what would be infinitely more valuable to us is someone

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<v Speaker 1>who can get with the program very quickly and start

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<v Speaker 1>helping us, like catch the water as it's leaking from

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<v Speaker 1>the roof, you know, like let me go find a bucket,

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:08.000
<v Speaker 1>let me find a pan, what can I do? Put

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:10.399
<v Speaker 1>me in coach. That kind of attitude will get you

0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:12.919
<v Speaker 1>so so far, and even if it's like you end

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<v Speaker 1>up getting let go later on, you know who's also

0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:17.439
<v Speaker 1>gonna get let go? A lot of more people who

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<v Speaker 1>were gonna move on to new companies, have new opportunities,

0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.719
<v Speaker 1>and who will they remember. They are not gonna remember

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<v Speaker 1>the one who put their hands up and was like, y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>this is crazy. I'm checking out late today, or I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm gonna log off early today, or I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>even gonna get on Slack today, y'all, it's too crazy.

0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Like the people who check out, they're not gonna remember them.

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:40.160
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna remember the Mollie dogs of the world. They

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<v Speaker 1>can remember the ones who swooped in and looked for

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to pitch in, help and shine. Okay, so

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.160
<v Speaker 1>don't look at it like I say, like a negative thing.

0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Think of it as opportunities. And I use the same

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<v Speaker 1>mentality throughout my career to thrive Yahoo. When I joined Yahoo,

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<v Speaker 1>it was going through a lot of turmoil. They had

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<v Speaker 1>a new CEO. I mean, the Yahoo's Yahoo's all through turmoil,

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<v Speaker 1>but I still shined. I look for opportunities. I was like, oh,

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.919
<v Speaker 1>they're they're short on video staff. Let me pitch my

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 1>own video series called Money Minute, which ran for two years.

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Like that's the kind of thing that you can grow

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<v Speaker 1>out of those moments of turmoil. You're at a startup

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<v Speaker 1>right now. They and you say they're moving from a

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<v Speaker 1>startup to being an early stage company. It's kind of

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 1>but I know what you're saying kind of the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I get it. As they're growing up, Like how

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<v Speaker 1>can you also be growing up with them? And where

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<v Speaker 1>do you see yourself at the next stage for them?

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<v Speaker 1>Stage for them? You know, think of it, think of

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<v Speaker 1>it that way. It doesn't have to be scary it

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<v Speaker 1>can just be a healthy, natural, you know, progression of

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<v Speaker 1>a younger company. Also, don't forget how this feels to

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<v Speaker 1>be a part of a startup, because I think some

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 1>people think of startups as like, Ooh, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>join and they're going to get acquired, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to become a bajillionaire because I'm going to get all

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<v Speaker 1>this equity and you know, I'm going to be employee

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<v Speaker 1>number seven at Uber, employee number seven at Google. Whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But it does always work out that way, or even

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<v Speaker 1>if it does, it's still really crazy to work there.

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Things are not figured out, they don't have all the

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<v Speaker 1>grown ups in place to handle things. Systems are not

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 1>fine tuned. You know, people have not entirely figured out

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing. They're all kind of just flying by

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 1>the seat of their pants in the best exciting way possible.

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 1>But if you're going into a startup expecting it to be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like a blue chip company that's been around

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<v Speaker 1>for decades and has everything sort of organized and everyone

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 1>knows where everything has been filed away, you're going to

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 1>be disappointed. You're going to be you're gonna be upset,

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>You're going to be stressed, Okay, So you want to

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 1>have realistic expectations for where your company is at that

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 1>you're joining at the time that you're joining it. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you can at least get like a real realistic

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of where the company is, I promise you're going

0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 1>to be much more adaptable and flexible and be able

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<v Speaker 1>to become molly dog in that moment and find opportunities

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 1>to help. You're not going to be panicking because you

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>will have seen it coming. I'm joining a startup. Yeah,

0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be a little jinky from here and there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. All right, So that's the first piece of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Now two months in, while there's blood in

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 1>the water and you're sensing chaos at your job, you

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.479
<v Speaker 1>have this incredible opportunity to be making thirty two k

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<v Speaker 1>more for doing the exact same work. I would say

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be really hard for you to turn it down

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, Like, are you going to turn down

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:22.880
<v Speaker 1>thirty two k early in your career? When I agree,

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:24.879
<v Speaker 1>I think you should be making You should be taking

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 1>these big risky swings with your career while you can.

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think it was really hard to turn

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:33.399
<v Speaker 1>that down. At the same time, you want to understand,

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<v Speaker 1>like this company itself like thirty two K for the

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 1>work you're doing now, I can see that happening. You're

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 1>at a startup, maybe the budget's a bit lower, but

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 1>you want to you know, look into the company that

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:47.840
<v Speaker 1>you're joining. How are they doing financially? Are they having

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<v Speaker 1>any turmoil and if so, where what departments have been

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 1>affected by that? You know, if it's the same industry,

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 1>then what's happening to your company maybe happening at others.

0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 1>If what's happening at your company is likenomically driven you know,

0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:04.960
<v Speaker 1>by what's happening in the economy, not just you know,

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 1>driven by the fact that it's a younger company. So

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 1>you want to ask, you know, questions of this company,

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 1>like you know, if they're public, you can read their

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<v Speaker 1>quarterly their last quarterly UH market call and one am

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I thinking of the word quarterly earnings report, yes, which

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>they have to provide. You know, you could read through

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 1>it see what's happening. Yeah, and it's marketing research right now.

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 1>As someone who came up in journalism and marketing through

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 1>my career, I can tell you that a lot of

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the same economic trends are impacting all organizations and marketing

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>budgets are getting hit, you know, so I don't think

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>that you can say any company is necessarily going to

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 1>be safe, you know, for the long term, but I

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 1>would see I would ask them if you had, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>any reorganizations recently, you know, if if so, which which

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 1>departments were impacted? You can ask them, you know, I

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>underunderstand that there are some challenging economic times. How has

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the marketing research team pivoted or made changes in light

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 1>of this? Have you had to you know and sort

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:13.479
<v Speaker 1>of ask them questions about strategy and where they're thinking

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 1>of going in the future. Good for you to know,

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 1>And also I think it makes you an even more

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 1>promising candidate because they're like, oh, she's really plugged in.

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 1>She gets this is a bigger picture. It's not just

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<v Speaker 1>about you know, this one job. That there's a bigger

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<v Speaker 1>picture here and we're a part of a much larger,

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<v Speaker 1>larger organization. That's what I have to say about, you know,

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 1>pros and cons of like taking the job. You got

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<v Speaker 1>to sit with it and make sure you're moving into

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 1>a company that's going to be a good fit for you.

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Will you have good mentorship, do good people work there,

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, is there upward mobility all of that? And

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 1>if this job doesn't work out, I don't think that

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>you need to look at it, like I said, as

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 1>a total loss because of everything I said before about

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the opportunities that you have to shine in this relatively

0:30:56.080 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 1>chaotic environment at your current startup job. Okay, now about

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>this whole two month thing, is it too early to

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 1>leave a company after being there for two months? Listen?

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 1>I could sit here and tell you that won't look good.

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 1>But I can also sit here and tell you that

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I have done it, and I have survived and lived

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>to tell the tale. It's old Mandy money lore that

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 1>my first big girl job after college, after I frolicked

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<v Speaker 1>around South America and came back to United States with

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 1>sixteen dollars to my name, that I took the first

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 1>job that would have me at a newspaper in Gainesville, Georgia.

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Shout out to the Gainesville Times. And I think my

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 1>first week of work, I got an email from a

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>magazine in New York that I had interned at asking

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 1>me to interview, And within a couple of weeks I

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 1>had a job offer. I had an interview. Within a

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks, and then a couple of weeks later,

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I had an actual job offer and I turned in

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<v Speaker 1>my two I don't even know if I gave them

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>two weeks, but I quit that job a month after joining. Okay,

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>did I burn the bridges there? Yes, I don't think

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>that mister Mitch I forget his last name at the

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Gainesville Times probably ever wanted to talk to me again,

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 1>because you know, he hired me, thought he was done,

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 1>and I was like bye e. So yeah, there are repercussions.

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 1>You have to think about the people that will remember

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>you as the person who quit when the ship was thinking.

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 1>At the same time, I do feel like it's a

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 1>little bit easier to explain to a future employer during

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>an interview why you might be wanting to leave just

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>two months after joining a job by saying, well, there's

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>been a lot of turmoil. There's lots of uncertainty, and

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:26.959
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like I'm being able to, you know,

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 1>use my skills in the best in the best way

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<v Speaker 1>right now. And I'm genuinely just wanting to be, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in a place where I feel like I can contribute

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 1>and that my contributions are meaningful, and I can learn

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:40.960
<v Speaker 1>and grow, and I don't feel like I'm able to

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<v Speaker 1>do that right where I am. That's kind of an

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:46.240
<v Speaker 1>easier story to tell. Then, Oh, you guys just have

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>more money, So I thought I would just like come

0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 1>and get it and forget everyone at my office. You

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 1>want to know why, because I do think and you know,

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I have been a hiring manager for several for many years,

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 1>and I have I haven't personally thought this, but I

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>have been told by other folks on the hiring committee, like, well,

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>if they're going to leave for an extra ten k,

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<v Speaker 1>then they're just going to join us, and they'll be

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<v Speaker 1>quitting in another year when the next competitor offers them

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<v Speaker 1>another ten k bump. Like they think that it shows

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<v Speaker 1>that you're easily bought, and they don't have to know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of us are easily bought because

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<v Speaker 1>money talks, darling, right. But if you can tell them

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<v Speaker 1>a story to lead them at least and to think

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe it's not all about the money, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a less of a chance that they'll like stigmatize you for,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, leaving after two months. So I talk a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about in my negotiating, coaching and my masterclass about

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<v Speaker 1>the story that we tell when we talk about ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>as professionals, and how we tell stories about the choices

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<v Speaker 1>we've made in our career. And I'm a storyteller by trade.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been telling stories my whole life as a writer

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<v Speaker 1>and journalist, and I think it's a really helpful skill

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone to be learning. What is the story arc

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<v Speaker 1>of your career and how can you tell that in

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<v Speaker 1>a way in an interview where the person is left

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<v Speaker 1>understanding why you've made the choices that you've made and

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<v Speaker 1>not judging you for them, just what you look like

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<v Speaker 1>on paper. So, yeah, I've had a few jobs in

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<v Speaker 1>one year, as I did the year that I quit

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<v Speaker 1>that job. I had three full time jobs that year

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<v Speaker 1>because I quit for a company in New York that

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<v Speaker 1>then let me go three months later, yay shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to readers Digest, And then I had to find my

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<v Speaker 1>third job of the year just a few months after that.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I had three full time jobs and one

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<v Speaker 1>year on my resume on LinkedIn. But if I just

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<v Speaker 1>explained the story, well, I took a newspaper job in

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia and I got the opportunity of a lifetime to

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<v Speaker 1>work in my chosen field magazine writing, and I really

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<v Speaker 1>found it hard to turn it down. I had such

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<v Speaker 1>a great reputation with the team there that they really

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<v Speaker 1>only considered me as the candidates. I took the job,

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<v Speaker 1>and then okay, well then you had a new job

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<v Speaker 1>just a few months later. Well, I had no control

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<v Speaker 1>over it. They let me go. And at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I understand this industry and I'm always ready

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<v Speaker 1>to pivot, and this is why you know, I've now

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<v Speaker 1>found this new opportunity with you guys. So it's about

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<v Speaker 1>that story, right, So do they look at me and think, girl,

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<v Speaker 1>she's been job hopp in the past, three jobs in

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<v Speaker 1>one year, like unreliable af But then I tell them

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<v Speaker 1>my story and it's like, oh no, I can I

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<v Speaker 1>contract that. I see why she made those decisions and

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. So what story are you going to tell?

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<v Speaker 1>Get that nailed down. Think about pros and cons of

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<v Speaker 1>joining the company that you're joining. I think it's excellent

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<v Speaker 1>for you to be taking interviews even though you have

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<v Speaker 1>a full time job. I'm always a fan of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and hey, you never know if you do both. If

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<v Speaker 1>you become the MVP of your team and then you

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<v Speaker 1>bring them a job offer from a competitor and you're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna give me thirty two k. What if they

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<v Speaker 1>just give you that extra money? It costs a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more to recruit new talent sometimes and just to give

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<v Speaker 1>someone a raise, and especially someone who's been excelling at

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 1>their work. I'm not saying that they would easily give

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<v Speaker 1>you thirty two k. It's a big ass raise for

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's been there for a couple of months. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, like there's a chance that they would

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<v Speaker 1>do something to keep you. So there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>food for thought right there. I hope that that was helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love an update to see what you ultimately decided. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>cash back Queen, and maybe you'll explain to me why

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<v Speaker 1>you stole Tiffany's crown of the cash back Queen. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'll maybe I'll take it back just so I can

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<v Speaker 1>give it to her when she gets back, just because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want her asking questions. I'm just gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna take it back and you guys can do

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<v Speaker 1>it out when she's back. Okay, all right, Cashback Queen,

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