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Speaker 2: He broke her nose.

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Speaker 3: That's totally different, and that speaks to the time in

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Speaker 3: itself as well in a particular.

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Speaker 2: Way as much as the words that they're using, the

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Speaker 2: racial epithets.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why she's the old girl said,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's better for your daughter to be a fool.

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Speaker 2: You know that kind of like put the you know,

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Speaker 2: added to that statement to me. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, the thing that initially got you guys

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Speaker 1: interested in this was this theory about Gatsby being a

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Speaker 1: white passing black man. We've met him, we've had the

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Speaker 1: first passage that Tyler read when he was initially talking

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Speaker 1: about it, where his hair looks like it's being cut

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Speaker 1: short every day, possibly to hide that is curly.

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Speaker 4: What are your first impressions actively tight across his face?

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Speaker 4: What are younger for his age?

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Yeah, what what are what

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Speaker 3: are your impressions of him as a first of all,

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Speaker 3: within that theory and then also separate from that theory

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Speaker 3: in terms of just like the first impressions we get

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Speaker 3: of him as readers.

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Speaker 2: You know, first impression that you get of him is

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Speaker 2: there's an air of like mystery around him, right, like

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Speaker 2: and and and and it's intriguing, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: You kind of want to know how he's so wealthy.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's an outgoing guy. He doesn't seem to

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Speaker 2: be your your, your, your run of the mill rich dickhead, right.

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Speaker 2: He seems very personable. And you know, of course that's

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Speaker 2: probably because he's from New Money. He didn't grow up

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Speaker 2: being rich, you know, he's it's it's it's it's very

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Speaker 2: interesting that the relationship that Nick has with him, it's

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Speaker 2: born to line homo erotic if we go keep yeah, bro,

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Speaker 2: you know, well.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot, quite a lot of theory. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about the theory about guys, quite a lot

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Speaker 1: of like queer theory about Nick being There's there's this

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Speaker 1: scene with the at that with McKee at the end

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Speaker 1: of the party too, that's like they're in bed together

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Speaker 1: looking at the guy's portfolio. Like so I think there's

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Speaker 1: and there's as much it's certainly as much evidence of

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Speaker 1: Nick having, you know, being bisexual or being interested in

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Speaker 1: Gatsby and men or being gay, as there is in uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, the theory that Gatsby is a white passing

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Speaker 1: black man.

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Speaker 4: For sure, there's a lot of it in the book.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't weird how quickly they passed over that moment.

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Speaker 2: It was one sentence, well that's.

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Speaker 3: The yeah, yeah, and Nick train you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, oh, that makes sense, that speaks to that,

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Speaker 2: that speaks to that, go ahead to them my bed.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, that's That's about all I would say about it.

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Speaker 4: I was my first impression. I was really I mean,

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Speaker 4: I knew this obviously read the book before, but I

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Speaker 4: was really struck with how over the top, like fancy talk,

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Speaker 4: he's the old chap stuff. I was like, geez, bro,

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Speaker 4: it does feel now looking at it with this lens

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Speaker 4: it calling him old sport like all sport, I'm like, bro, relaxed.

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Speaker 4: But now with this lens, I'm kind of like, maybe

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Speaker 4: it does sort of feel like it's like he needs

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Speaker 4: to be just over the top cover. Yeah, yeah, very much.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 2: I definitely didn't.

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Speaker 4: I was more just like struck with it originally and

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Speaker 4: now looking at it with this lens. It definitely has

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Speaker 4: a different sort of feel to it.

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Speaker 2: But that's that was my mouth, like, man, give it

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Speaker 2: a rest.

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Speaker 4: It's the old sport.

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Speaker 1: I think, like we discussed that theory in college when

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Speaker 1: we read this, but it was after we'd read the book.

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Speaker 1: So this is and this is my first time like

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Speaker 1: really consciously dialing in on that theory through a reading.

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Speaker 1: And that was actually one of the notes I had

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Speaker 1: was Gatsby does sound like John pretending to be a

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Speaker 1: white guy.

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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, like another.

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Speaker 3: Yet lemonade, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget we're taking the boat out at nine am tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: jumping into the water, like you know, saying

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Speaker 2: Off the end of the yacht.