1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. I feel so much cooler after 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: just being in the presence of today's guest, because he 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: is pretty spectacular. The talented actor Thomas Doherty joins the 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: show who You Know and Love from so many projects 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: like the fan favorite Descendants franchise, the Gossip Girl reboot, 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: and now Who Lose intoxicating drama Tell Me Lies, the 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: Internet has crowned. Tell Me Lies is one of the 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: most bingeworthy shows to get lost in now Thomas. He 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: has joined season two of the show, which is out 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: right now, and he's already become a character audiences cannot 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: stop talking about. And while we cover so much of 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: his brilliant work, today we uncover a bit more of 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: who the human is behind all of his amazing roles. 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: So let's see if today we can get Thomas to 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: say something that he has never said before. Tom So, 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: are you my friend? 18 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: I'm good man, I'm good? Are you? 19 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: I am fantastic? It's good to see you. You're feeling 20 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: good today? 21 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: I am I'm feeling good. I mean we were just 22 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: talking that the traffic in New York is awful, right, 23 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: now it's awful. So I had to get out my 24 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: uber in cycle pretty much Manhattan, so I'm a little 25 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: bit hot. 26 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: But you really did You hopped on a bike and 27 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: came here. Yeah yeah, yeah, Oh I don't know that. 28 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Oh my god. 29 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I don't have arms like your on 30 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: the cardio because I'm always late. 31 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: You're doing just fine, just fine. Well, welcome to the show. 32 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: Hopefully you can relax for a bit. Now. I've got 33 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: to start by asking you. And it's a question I 34 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: don't think I've ever asked anybody before because I've never 35 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: seen this before. But in your Instagram bio, it says 36 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: that you are a grocery store. 37 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: I don't know how to change that. 38 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: What is that? 39 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know how to change not 40 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: something like deeper with I literally after this show, please 41 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: can you show me how to change it? Because I 42 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: don't know how to change it. 43 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: So that's an accident, complete accident. Oh my god. I'm 44 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: going to help you out. 45 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we should come up with something deep. 46 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: I thought it was just like really meta reason why, 47 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I'm well varied or I have 48 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: many layers like fruit in the produce section. So I'm 49 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: here waiting for some deep answer. But it's an accident. 50 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: It's a complete accident, and I've tried multiple times to 51 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: change it, but I don't hire and then I get distracted. 52 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: Oh forget, so you run off again. So you've reminded me. 53 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: Well, there we have it, all right. I'm gonna help 54 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: you out if for no other reason that we were 55 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: supposed to meet, so I can explor that. 56 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: You go exactly and for me to lose. There we go. 57 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: I'm looking out for you man. Well welcome. I am 58 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: so excited to talk about your show that people are 59 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: just obsessed with right now. But before we get to that, 60 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: there's a few things we're going to dive into. I 61 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: like to ease our way into that conversation, and I 62 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: guess first, you know, my hat is off to you, man, 63 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: because you've had such a successful career and you've done 64 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: so much I feel like in your career already that 65 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: people dream of, and you've accumulated this big following on 66 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: social right like four million on in. People clearly are 67 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: invested in Thomas' storty and want to know what you're 68 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: up to, what you're working on. And all the things. 69 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: But I'm curious, is there a certain project that you 70 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: feel like really turned your career into a different direction, 71 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: Like did everything change with a certain project for you? 72 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: What would that be? 73 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: The way that I've always kind of looked at my career, 74 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: I mean I started off, I mean I was working 75 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: restaurants and stuff in Edinburgh, and just addition and and 76 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: just desperate I'd finish college and I was doing Yeah, 77 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: like I said, I was working in restaurants, and I 78 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: was going up and down from Edinburgh to London because 79 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: I couldn't afford to live in London. So I'd get 80 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: the train down or get a flight down all my 81 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: days off and from the restaurant and do meetings and 82 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: do auditions and things. Hopefully aligned. My team's really good, 83 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: so they made it work, and then I'd come back 84 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: up on like a night bus or something and then 85 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: just go back to work. So it was kind of 86 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: I was really desperate to just like act, to just work, 87 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: and Disney came up and so I jumped at that. 88 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: And since that moment, I'd always kind of seen my 89 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: career as like an apprenticeship. So everything that I've done 90 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: for so long is I've done some of the horror stuff, 91 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: the Disney thing, I did kind of a variation of 92 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: different things, but it wasn't until I did the movie 93 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 2: Dandelion that came out this year with Kiki Lane. That 94 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: was a big kind of term for me, not even 95 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 2: necessarily in my career. It was more in my own 96 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: mindset because it was an indie film and tiny little 97 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 2: budget on it, but for me it was kind of 98 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: that was the moment I was starting to take the 99 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: reins on my own career. So yeah, I mean, honestly, 100 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: this year is when the kind of changes has happened, 101 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 2: and it feels very good, it feels really empowering. And 102 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: then obviously tell me life it's come out and that's 103 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: just a different that's like a different level. But I 104 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: think it's a mindset change. It's just the mindset. It's 105 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: not to me anyway, it's not necessarily that the projects 106 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: per se that's super clumsy way of them. 107 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: No, that's I actually love that answer because I think 108 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: most of us, in any career that we're in kind 109 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: of equate that moment that everything changed with a certain 110 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: project or a certain thing at work, whatever that job 111 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: may be, and you're here saying it's not that, it's 112 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: more of how I fell to doing the artwork that 113 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: I finally really wanted to step into. Yeah, and I 114 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: think that's pretty damn cool. 115 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 2: It's not intentionally to be feel empowered, but it certainly 116 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: is empowerment because then I'm taking ownership, I'm taking responsibility, 117 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: and I'm not putting it out onto something else that 118 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: I can't control. 119 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: Right, you know, right, yeah, for sure. And you brought 120 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: up Disney. You brought up you know, the projects you 121 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: did for them, which were obviously the Descendants films. People 122 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: love them. You played Captain Hook's son and it was 123 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: a fan favorite role for many people from you. Do 124 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: you think about that time early on in your career 125 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: and just think like, wow, man, that was such a 126 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: cool experience. You ever reflect back on that? 127 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 2: I do, Like, I mean, I so I never grew 128 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 2: up with the Disney Channel. I never had that really no, 129 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: So I wasn't really aware of what it was gonna be. 130 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: And then I woke up one day and I had 131 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: like a million followers. I was like, what's going on? 132 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: This is mine? And I mean at twenty nine nights, 133 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: I don't know. My friends always take the mech out away, 134 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: But it was amazing. It was such an incredible time. 135 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 2: I met some amazing people. I met a girlfriend, my 136 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: next girlfriend, and being able to work with people like 137 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: Kenny or Take and stuff was really really cool. It's 138 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: purely fond memories I have of it. But yeah, it 139 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: was definitely an amazing platform for me to start my career. 140 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those things that I feel like, 141 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: if it's on TV, people will tune in no matter what. 142 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: And to have that kind of on your resume and 143 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: be a part of a project like that, it's pretty cool. 144 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was really cool. 145 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't have Disney growing up, which is wild 146 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: to me. You know, everyone just assumes, oh, everyone knows 147 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: that you watch it, you're a kid, but you had 148 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: no idea. 149 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: I didn't have it. No, I mean I've had like 150 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: four channels or something growing up. 151 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: Wow. 152 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't. I wasn't really aware of but and 153 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: luck I think fortunately I was like twenty when I 154 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: did it, so I wasn't young when I go into 155 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 2: the Disney thing, So I wasn't like a Disney kid. 156 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: Well, but it's still you know, you're still kind of 157 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: coming out of those teenage years. It's young in your 158 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: professional career. 159 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, But I think I did definitely have 160 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: the foresight to see that it was you know, you 161 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 2: have younger people like they jump into it, and I 162 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: was like, no, this is this is an amazing opportunity, 163 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: this is an amazing experience, and it's an amazing platform 164 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: that I can utilize to honestly get to where I 165 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: am this year. Yeah, yeah, you know, And I've always 166 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: seen it as a as a marathon, not a sprint, 167 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,239 Speaker 2: and I'm on the first half mile of that marathon. 168 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: Those are some of the most successful people, in my opinion, 169 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: in the world is when you have that mentality, when 170 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: it's when it is a marathon and you are in 171 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: a US and you know that over time you'll get 172 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: to exactly where you want to be one day. I 173 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: think that's so powerful that you have that message now 174 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: at twenty nine. And you mentioned, you know, twenty years 175 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: old is when you kind of started the Disney World, 176 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: But did you still feel like you had to shed 177 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: a persona leaving the Disney World? Was it hard for 178 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: you to transition out of that because sometimes you worry 179 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: if you're on a more family friendly network you're looked 180 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: at a certain way and you feel maybe stuck in 181 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: that mentality to certain people. Did you feel that was 182 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: it a hard transition getting out of that world? 183 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. I mean I was I was already 184 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 2: older and I was from Scotland as well, so it's different. 185 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: The mentality is very different, and so I think I 186 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: was blessed with that. And I was taken to lunch 187 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 2: by one of the channel of people and they were 188 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: kind of like, can you like do the Disney thing almost? 189 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: And I was like, what does that mean? I don't 190 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: even know what that means. I mean the Disney thing 191 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: like smile with like a Mickey Mouse mascot. 192 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 2: I get. I think. No, it wasn't per se Disney. 193 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: If anything, it was just this kind of comfortability of 194 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: being the boy next door, you know, with the jaw line. 195 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: That's the thing that I was definitely trying to navigate 196 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: away from, trying to get away from that, not just 197 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: for the way that people see me, but the way 198 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: that I see myself, to get out of that comfort zone, 199 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 2: because it's really easy to just kind of slip into 200 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: and be like cheeky, kind of Scottish jawline Yeah, just 201 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: bring it back to the work, Bring it back to 202 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: the work, Bring it back to the work, bring it 203 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: back to the acting, and then from that place your 204 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 2: things will happen. The right things will happen, you know, 205 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: And go back to marathon, not a sprint. It's definitely 206 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: why why sprint? If I what am I running toward? 207 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: You know? Is it for the car? Is it for 208 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: the fame? Is it for the fortune? Is it for 209 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: the notoriety? Because if it is that, I know and 210 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: so many and not thousands of people have said it 211 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 2: enough already that I don't need to learn the lesson 212 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: myself that it's not going to make you happy. And 213 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: if I do achieve all of that, and I'm not 214 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: happy the most point of all of that, you know, 215 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: So it's definitely just back to the acting, back to 216 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: the craft, back to the creativity, and back to this 217 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: stuff that feeds my soul that I love. 218 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: I feel like that's so much easier said than done. 219 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: And you make it sound really really attainable and easy 220 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: to have that mindset, But I imagine that's something you 221 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: kind of have had to work on over the years, 222 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: and we all slip sometimes into a mindset that we 223 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: don't want to be in right or have these thoughts 224 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: that we're like, oh, I don't want to think like that. 225 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: But you seem pretty consistent in how you view your 226 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: career and life and the way you want to live, 227 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: which is pretty refreshing. 228 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: I mean absolutely not speaking from any moral high ground 229 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: then of course, like, yeah, you got hundreds of thousands 230 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: of people validating you on social media, you know, you 231 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: got that happens. I'm still human, It still impacts me, 232 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,119 Speaker 2: it affects me, still enjoy it, but I know ultimately 233 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: that that's not the goal, and ultimately that's not gonna 234 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 2: fulfill or make me happy, you know. And I think 235 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: it leads back to having to look at myself and 236 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: be honest with myself and my own insecurities and what 237 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 2: I need validated for or what I think I need 238 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: validation for, and I mean ultimately grasp the nettle and 239 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: just learn to be able to do it do it 240 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: myself for myself. Yeah, because it's a weird industry as 241 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, it's it's it's such a such 242 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: a balancing act between being personable and being approachable but 243 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: also don't come you know, it's like a really weird thing. 244 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: It's a funny line to straddle, right, and you you 245 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: want to please people but also be true to yourself. Yeah, yeah, 246 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: So it's learning how to navigate all of that with 247 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: authenticity and without compromising who you are. 248 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: So do you find that, I mean, because I can 249 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: kind of sit here and just be me, but you're 250 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 2: still responsible for a very successful podcast. Do you find 251 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: that as well? Yeah? 252 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we all kind of deal with that, right, 253 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: especially as an interviewer, Like I share a lot about myself, 254 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: but I don't want to make it about me, and 255 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: I don't always want that to seem like an invitation 256 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: for people to find out things about me that maybe 257 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: I hold sacred. So it's finding the line between like 258 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: inviting people in but also knowing when there should be 259 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: a hard stop on things that I don't exactly want 260 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: to talk about. Not that they're like these deep, dark secrets, 261 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: but I feel like everybody has to hold things close 262 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: to their heart. We need things for just us too, 263 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: you know. And my job, for lack of a better word, 264 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: is I want to bring people on and have real 265 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: conversations and make everybody feel comfortable and safe, but to 266 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: the level that they feel safe doing that. So yeah, 267 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: it's very interesting, But it's about the work, Like you 268 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: keep saying, it's about the work. We do it because 269 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: we love the work. And speaking of work, you're somebody 270 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: who has played over the years, a few morally questionable 271 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: characters will say, do you have more fun playing someone 272 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: with a little bit of a bad side? Why? 273 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: Why do I like in that? I mean it's just 274 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 2: I mean why do like Halloween? You know? It's this 275 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: kind of I feel like every human has such a 276 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: potential or possibility to feel all types of different emotions 277 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: and think all types of different things. And so to 278 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: tap into something that's a lot more alien to me 279 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: but still be able to personalize it and make it human, 280 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: it's really fun and really interesting to me. I mean, yeah, like, 281 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: who gets to go dress up as Dracula for three months? 282 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 2: I get paid for it, you know, But then also 283 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: like humanize that person and and try and like fall 284 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 2: in love with that person who's so bad. You know, 285 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: it's it's it's strange. Does mess with your head a 286 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: little bit sometimes. 287 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, but I imagine that's so good. You're good. 288 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: I don't think I'm a umpire, but. 289 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: I imagine that's so rewarding as an actor to step 290 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: into these roles that are so different from you, at 291 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: least I think so different from you. 292 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 293 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you look back at your collective work in 294 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: this world and day and age of nostalgia that we 295 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: live in, if you could reboot any role you've played, 296 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: which role would you pick? 297 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: I would love to do High Fidelity again. Yeah, yeah, 298 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: I'd love to do that. I don't know why. I 299 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: think to the second season. I think it was such 300 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: Did you watch it? I haven't seen that one? It's 301 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: really good. Did you watch it? 302 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: It was that one? Where did that? Where did that air? 303 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: It was on Hulu? Hulu? Did you was it? Yeah? 304 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: It's good? 305 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: How did I miss that? When did that come out? 306 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 2: Twenty eighteen? Eighteen, twenty nineteen? Zoe Kravitzkay, so have you 307 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: seen the original film? 308 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: Yes? 309 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: So it's a film except gender swapped. It was like flipped. 310 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to put anyone on last year. But 311 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: maybe the marketing of it could have been a little better, 312 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: because I am just saying I didn't know. I didn't know. 313 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: I'm working with Hulu right now. 314 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: We love you, Hulu, we love you. But no, that's 315 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: something I will add to. 316 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: My Yeah, it was it's really really good. But anyway, 317 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: I had a small part in that, but I just 318 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: had the best time working with Zoea and with David 319 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: and everyone else, and it was just, yeah, it was. 320 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: That was my first experience in New York. Okay. I 321 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: came out here because I was living in LA at 322 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: the time from my sins as I like to say, 323 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: And I came out here and I was like, if 324 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 2: I got a chance to live here, I'm gonna jump it. 325 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: And then gossip Girl happened. But I was out here 326 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: for just five weeks, six weeks, living in green Point, 327 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: and just had the best time, had the best time, 328 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: and so when Gossip Girl came up, I just jumped 329 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: at it. Yeah, and I've been here ever since four 330 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: years on the twentieth. 331 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: It was so you feel like a New Yorker now. 332 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: I'd never I can never say that one day were you. 333 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm originally from New Jersey, but I've been here for 334 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: over two decades. I mean I went to college here 335 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: and never left. 336 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: Really. Yeah, your garden state, gal. 337 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: Garden state, that's right, That's right. 338 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: So you could see you're in a New Yorker I 339 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: know I. 340 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: Am a New Yorker now, I lived in New York 341 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: longer than I've lived in New Jersey. Okay, yes, sir, yes, sir. 342 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: I just know New Yorker's Yeah, a bit tak to 343 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: they do. 344 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: But I will say, because you're to Gossip Girl, I 345 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: feel like that speeds up your New York citizenship. You 346 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: were in Gossip Girl, which, by the way, that show 347 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: when it was originally on, I was, you know, probably 348 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: young twenties, and as you. 349 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: Know, twenties, you look amaze. 350 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: Thank you on thirty held Am I thirty seven? 351 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: No? 352 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: Not thirty seven? I lied him thirty eight. 353 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: I'm at the age. 354 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: Where I don't know my age, but I remember I 355 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: love that show so much, and here you are, you 356 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: get to reboot it. Yeah, I take it you probably 357 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: didn't watch it prior to the reboot. 358 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 2: I didn't know. 359 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: I didn't, So now you're in this world. 360 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 2: I mean I watched it prior to filming it. 361 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: Right, but not in real time in real time of 362 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: course not. So that must have been a fun experience. 363 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: Aside from the art and the work, just being in 364 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: New York and having that be such a character for 365 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: that show. 366 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. I mean, like, what an introduction to 367 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: like live moving to living in New York is going 368 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: to say every day and like being on the mid 369 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 2: Steps and then you'd beat the Guggenheim and then you'd 370 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 2: be all these like places. It was like it was 371 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: like a nine month two of New York. Yeah, where 372 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: you got to do what you love to do and 373 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: also got paid. 374 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: It's amazing. 375 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: It was amazing. It was really cool. And then playing 376 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: the character of Max was so fun, really was really fun. 377 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: He was wild, he was a wild, couch wild he 378 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: was he was things your character got into that wasn't 379 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: in the original Gossip Girl. We'll say that. 380 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 2: I remember I auditioned for Eli's part for Obi and 381 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: they were like, no, no, this doesn't work. You're you're 382 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 2: this guy. And then I read that guy and I 383 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 2: was like, Jesus, am I that guy? But you dove 384 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: in and I dove in and I became that guy. 385 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: Threples and things, the whole thing. It was everything. I 386 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 2: remember when we were I think the second season, I 387 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: think there was not okay, I say orgy. It was 388 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: an orgy on set in the scripts clarify, I'm like 389 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 2: pr is like sweating back where's this going. 390 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: It was on set in the show. 391 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 2: And yeah, I was There's just loads of naked bodies 392 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: line around and stuff, and I was sitting on the 393 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: couch and it was just panning shot. They kind of 394 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: captured all of them, and then eventually it pinned up 395 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: to me just sitting there and then they're like I 396 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,239 Speaker 2: cut and so everyone like got up and like got 397 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: their stuff on, got the rubes on, and I was 398 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 2: just sat there and they were like, do you want 399 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: your rule? But I was like, honestly, I mean we're 400 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 2: two years in. No, I'm fine, everyone's seen everything. Anyway. 401 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: You had no shame at that point, No. 402 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: Shame, shameless, shameless, And I know that was a really 403 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 2: really cool job today. 404 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine. I imagine. I was actually shocked when 405 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: it got canceled because I know it had such a 406 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: ferocious following and people really loved it, you know. 407 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it's always hard though, when you try 408 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,239 Speaker 2: and reboot something that's just perfect. As someone put on 409 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: my Instagram. 410 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: Well do you want to hear my theory? When the 411 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: original came out, it was so shocking for the time, 412 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: the things that were featured in that show. We weren't 413 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: seeing on television, and then for the reboot, while it's 414 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: still shocking for TV, I feel like kids these days 415 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,719 Speaker 1: are doing a lot of different things and maturing faster, 416 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: so maybe it wasn't as shocking for them, you know 417 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, the content was amazing, and the 418 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: acting was amazing, the scripts were amazing, and New York 419 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: was amazing, and I just wonder if, like the shock value, 420 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: which was part of the first one, wasn't so much 421 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: part of this one. 422 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and not even yes that And also when 423 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 2: you watched it, I mean what you had to tune 424 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: in at eight pm every Thursday, and then you go 425 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 2: to school or work and talk about it, you know, 426 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: and you had your shows and they came on at 427 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: a specific time, whereas now the streamers just thousands of things, 428 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 2: you know, and people are watching different things, and I 429 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 2: think it's just so saturated now that that shock factor 430 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: just didn't come through, coupled with the fact that there's 431 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: so much shock fact right there now, and then they've 432 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 2: got social media, and you've got eight year olds of 433 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 2: social media. So don't you even think, yeah, it didn't 434 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: have that same thing. 435 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: When you got the role or throughout any point of 436 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: filming the role. I know your character is not a 437 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: direct model of Chuck Bass, but I feel like there 438 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: was a little inspiration there. Yeah, I saw some glimmers 439 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: of him through your role. Different, but some glimmers. Did 440 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: you ever talk to Ed Westwick or. 441 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: Actually we were in We're in Saudi Arabia. Actually, yeah, 442 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: we were at the Red Sea Film Festival and lovely, 443 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: lovely guy, really lovely guy. I wasn't really expecting him 444 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: to be so nice, but just really cool, really chill, 445 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: and I was telling him that I was basically playing 446 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 2: him in a reboot. I just wanted to kind of 447 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 2: I wanted to take some of Chuck but then but 448 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: make it lighter, make it cheekier, because I remember when 449 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: I was watching it felt quite like heavy, and the 450 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 2: characters were both written quite dysfunctionally, but different types of dysfunction, 451 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 2: and so I thought the cheekiness lended itself better. Talking 452 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 2: about chock value though saying that it doesn't really exist. 453 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: I love how I'm just like plugging myself here, but 454 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 2: I feel like tell me lies is quite shocking. 455 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: Well, and your character is there's more to him that 456 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: meets the and there's things that are going to be revealed. 457 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: I have a feeling. I don't need to brewin anything, 458 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: but I have a feeling we're going to learn a 459 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: little bit more about him. And yes, tell me lies. 460 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: Season two is out. Now you join the cast for 461 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: season two. So for everybody listening who maybe hasn't caught 462 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: up with the show, how would you describe it? 463 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 2: I was hoping. 464 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: I like to hear it from the artist, how you 465 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: perceive the world? Your grace here or Jackson? 466 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 2: I need one of them. I'm here. They're good at that. 467 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: I'm really blind at that. Okay, tell me lies. If 468 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 2: you've never watched it, it's on Hulu. It's basically a 469 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 2: young girl she goes to college and she gets herself 470 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 2: intertwined in this toxic relationship with this incredibly unsavory character 471 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 2: and into a friend group that's very dysfunctional, and it's 472 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: about kind of their way of going through college, watching 473 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 2: them go through college and just making a mad Yeah, yeah, 474 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: that is that. 475 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: I think you nailed it. Yeah, I think you nailed it. 476 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: And you played Leo and then. 477 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 2: Leo comes and that's me season two and I start 478 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: to get feelings for Lucy, who's played by Grace from Patten, 479 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: who's this young girl that I was talking about. We 480 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: get sent to this dysfunctional relationship with Steven played by 481 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: Jackson White All, but I come along and save her, 482 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 2: save her from him. 483 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: So we think are doing right right, we have to 484 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: see Yeah, but you're kind of the new the new 485 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: guy on campus, shaking things up. Indeed, yeah, uh huh, 486 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: stealing her away? 487 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 2: I am yeah. 488 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: Again, you play these characters that have a little sass. Well, 489 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 1: uh uh huh. Well, people are loving your role. They 490 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: love you as as part of the show. Was joining 491 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: season two of a very successful show with a very 492 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: tight knit cast. Intimidating for you because I kind of 493 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: equate it to being a new kid in a new 494 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: high school, right, you the brand new kid in town. 495 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: You're entering a school where people already have friend groups 496 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: and they're established in their ways. And here I am. 497 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: Everybody nice to meet you, like me, be my friend. 498 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: Do you feel that we're joining a successful shower now? No? 499 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 2: Not really, It's different. I mean you're working with professionals, 500 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: you know, and you definitely well, I go in with 501 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: a professional mindset, and I mean they we all were 502 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: absolute professionals and it's nerve racking. You're nervous going into, 503 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 2: like you say, a well established cast, but no welcome 504 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: with open arms. And I love the character and I 505 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: love working with Megan Oppenheimer, who's a showrunner. She's amazing, 506 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: She's such a hit, so fun, and most of my 507 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: scenes are with Grace. And I actually worked with Grace's 508 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: little sister gossip Girl and Gossip Girl, and I remember 509 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: asking Anna, I was like, what's sister like? She was like, 510 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 2: you's me, of course you. 511 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: You're give me the dirt. 512 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 2: And before my chemistry reads in La, so I spoke 513 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 2: to me again. She was like, come out to La 514 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 2: and I'll do like a camera Reid with Grace. And 515 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: I landed and the day before I was I asked 516 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: my manager. I was like, did you reach out to 517 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: Grace's people so we can kind of meet up before, 518 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: just get coffee, just so I can like feel her 519 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: energy and kind of get to know her before we 520 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 2: go in to the chemistry raid And she said yeah. 521 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: And I was really expecting to meet Lucy who's her 522 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 2: character and tell me lies. For some reason, I forgot 523 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: what we did for a living, and so I kind 524 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 2: of like went in and she was like, and I 525 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 2: was like, oh, she's adorable, and yeah, just from the 526 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: get go, she's just such such a wonderful human. You 527 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 2: should really get her on the show. Honestly, it's just 528 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: the nicest person, so kind, so talented, and yeah, it 529 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: was just such a blast to shoot. 530 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 1: Do we think there'll be more of you to come 531 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: in future seasons? Am I allowed to ask that? I 532 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: don't know yet? 533 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I've not heard anything yet. I'm not sure. 534 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 2: I think they're still writing script, so okay, I don't. 535 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: Know, but you know how your storyline ends. 536 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 2: I know him my storyline ends, and be will we 537 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 2: be surprised? 538 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: What can you give me without ruining it? 539 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if you're going to be surprised per se. 540 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: But it is intense. 541 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: Your storyline is intense. 542 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it gets very intense. It's the most triggering 543 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 2: jewel in the world. I really think that. I mean, 544 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 2: I remember watching the first season and like, how did 545 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 2: you like take a little break and being like triggered, 546 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 2: And the word triggered implies like something similar has happened 547 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 2: to you before, and it's triggered. But none of that 548 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 2: stuff's ever happened to me before. It's just so intense. 549 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 2: I was triggered. But as yeah, it Leo's storylines definitely 550 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: takes a and hence turn. 551 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: But we don't know if you'll be back yet, no 552 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: announcement to me, not yet. Okay, all right, fingers crossed. 553 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: You would obviously like to be back because it seems 554 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 1: like you love this show and this project. Yeah. 555 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean, honestly, I love I love the cast, 556 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 2: and I love the character and there's a lot of 557 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 2: fun places to go with them. And yeah, Megan as well, 558 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: she's just such a hit. Honestly, she's so fun. 559 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: And what's so fun and interesting to me? And it's 560 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: what you do, so it shouldn't be like I guess 561 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be a big deal at all. But you 562 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: and Grace our love interests. But her real life boyfriend, yes, 563 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: her ex on the show, right, yea, so like you're 564 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: acting opposite his girlfriend. But that's all normal for you. 565 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: There's never a like, oh this is kind of weird, 566 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: or oh I hope he doesn't feel like I'm actually 567 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: into this, Like there's none of that, right or is 568 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: it kind of strange? I mean to tell us, because 569 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: this is such not a normal thing in our jobs. 570 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: Are you are you have you got a partner? Are 571 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 2: you married? 572 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: Yes? I'm married. 573 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 2: Okay. If you had your husband here and you did 574 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 2: the same interview style as if you didn't know him, 575 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: uh huh, would that be weird? Hi, welcome to the show. 576 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be weird, right, Yeah, but you're still. 577 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: Doing your job as you normally would. That's kind of 578 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 2: the closest I can equate it to what you were doing. So, yes, 579 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: it's obviously fictional and it's made up, but it still 580 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 2: is his girlfriend and you had to watch like a 581 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 2: couple guys kiss her, which is so I don't know 582 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 2: if I could do that. 583 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: Do you have the talk? Like, hey, man, like, I 584 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: know you know what we do for a living, but 585 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: just wanted to say there's nothing there, like do you 586 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: have that talk? 587 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: I can't remember if I did. 588 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: Do you just do your scenes and hope it's not weird, 589 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: run offset and go to your trailer. 590 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 2: Well that's an annoying thing as well, because I really 591 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: really liked Jackson and I really really really like Grace, 592 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: so I wanted to like hang out with Grace as well, 593 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: and I wanted to be buddies with him, so but not. 594 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: I mean, like I said to start off with, like, 595 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 2: they're professionals, you know, so even though it is unusual 596 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 2: and it is kind of strange, bless his heart and 597 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: her heart as well, bless them both. But yeah, they're 598 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 2: just absolute professionals. And so it was it was fine. Yeah, 599 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: but I did feel I did feel so so weird 600 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 2: and so bad. It's just strange. 601 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: Just another day of work, right, yeah. 602 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 2: Just makeing out with his girlfriend and be like, yeah, 603 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: it's so weird. Our job is so strange, I know, 604 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: but yeah, try to it will be mine. 605 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all it's all about the work, all about 606 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: the worst. 607 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 2: Exactly, and then yeah, feel circle bring it back to 608 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: the work. 609 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: Thomas, you're somebody who strikes me as very grounded, very 610 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: aware of who you are while wanting to grow and 611 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: who you want to be and who you don't want 612 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: to be. More importantly, it seems like you really kind 613 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: of hone on that as a person and as an artist. 614 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: And I know you've said before that you don't really 615 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: believe in or you're not big on goals, Like you 616 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: don't think that's a necessary part of humanity, right, Like 617 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: we don't have to always set goals. Talk to me 618 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: more about that. 619 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 2: For what I do and for where I am, I 620 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 2: think it definitely takes it feels like it takes a 621 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 2: life out of it, speaks a spontaneity out of it. 622 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 2: And I think my job in my work is spontaneity, 623 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 2: you know, kind of reacting truthfully in a certain moment 624 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: and an experience. That's a hard question, man. 625 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, goals, Yeah, I mean, it's it's very real. 626 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 2: Right, I think. Okay. I think maybe why I've said 627 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: that in the past is because maybe goals take us 628 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 2: out of the present moment. And I could see in 629 00:30:53,760 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: myself that there's always goals, goals, goals, goals, and trying 630 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: to have those goals like fix whatever traumas and dysfunctions 631 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 2: were going on inside of me, and never stop and 632 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: never being able to just stop because then I'll come up, 633 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 2: you know, I don't like that We're going to drink goals, 634 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 2: and I was. I was forced to really kind of 635 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: just stop, and I think I realized again just for myself, 636 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: that goals were distracting me. It was a distraction, and 637 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 2: it was a way to feel achievement or feel comfort 638 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: and validation by achieving goals. But I actually stopped and 639 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 2: I was like, wait, am I am? I Like, okay, 640 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 2: as I am? Do I need to like prove anything? Yeah, 641 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: a lot of people, you know, but I believe that 642 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: every human is innately. I don't know if you're religious, 643 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 2: but I'm not religious. But I do believe in higher 644 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: power and God. I know that word's pretty muddy right 645 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 2: now these days. 646 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: God can be whatever it means that. 647 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: You exactly, and I believe that that God, higher power 648 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 2: doesn't make mistakes, you know. And I think the only 649 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 2: thing that takes us away from that is our egos, 650 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: in our in our own heads, and our desire to 651 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 2: more and more and more and more. I mean, especially 652 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 2: coming to America, if it became really apparent when I 653 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 2: moved over here, because what do you guys get like 654 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,959 Speaker 2: two weeks holiday, three weeks holiday a year or something. 655 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 2: It's like you live to work as opposed to back 656 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 2: in Europe. There's a mentality of your work to live. 657 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 658 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 2: I don't want to signed all preacher. I'm definitely not 659 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: the person to listen to take much life advice from. 660 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 2: But that's that's that's that's the way I feel and 661 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 2: again like I say, of course I have goals like yeah, 662 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 2: I'd love to have fucking big house one day and 663 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 2: for manimals or I don't know. I actually don't have 664 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: many goals. My goal actually is to get a car 665 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: for winter. 666 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is it's not that you're 667 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: against goals and goal setting. It's just you try to 668 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: live your life by not always being focused on what's next. 669 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: And I feel you on that. I feel like there 670 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: are certain things I know I want to achieve, but 671 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: I also work very hard, to your point, to be 672 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: in the present and to allow life to happen. Because 673 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: some of the wildest things in my life and in 674 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: my career have happened because I was just living. I 675 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: met someone, I got married. I never want to get married. 676 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: I never wanted that happened, you know. I got engaged 677 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: eight months after meeting him. Like, never could have planned that. 678 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: Not that I was against marriage, but I never wanted it. 679 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: I never thought I'd be sitting here in this job. Never. 680 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: This wasn't my plan. 681 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 2: So you just your plan, but it was the plan exactly. 682 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: That was the bigger plan. So I'm with you one 683 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: hundred percent and I am very spiritual as well. I'm 684 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: not religious, but I'm spiritual and I believe in all 685 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: of the higher power in the universe and all of that. 686 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: So yes, I'm with you. There's one I feel like goal, 687 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, that I've heard you 688 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: want to achieve. And I heard then you might want 689 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: to be a James Bond in the future. 690 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 2: I would you know what. I think we're well overdue 691 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 2: for a Scottish James Bond. 692 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 1: I think so too. Let's put it in the universe 693 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: right now. There you throw it in there, throw it 694 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: in James Bond coming right up? 695 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 2: What was it? Sean Connery was the last scott shaking 696 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: much money? By name? 697 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: There we go, There we go. I think you'd be 698 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: a great one. 699 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 2: I think they're trying to cast one that's younger so 700 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 2: they have them for like ten years. 701 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: Let's get on it. 702 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, shave, there we go, TUXI to on. 703 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: Okay, I will be your personal manager to make this, yes, 704 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: because I could see it. I love it. Yeah, I 705 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: love it. I think you'd kill it, all right, So 706 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: that is one goal we'll set. Yeah, but or Villain, well, 707 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: we all know you like the dark love we all 708 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: know that. Yes, we know that, but okay, well we 709 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: put it out in the universe. Let's see what happens. Thomas. 710 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: To wrap up this conversation, the name of the show 711 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: is I've never said this before, and I like to 712 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: finish by asking all of my guests a very simple 713 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: question based off the title of the show, which is, 714 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: what is one thing you've never said before? And I 715 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: know that you've done a lot of interviews over the years, 716 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: You've done a lot of press, But I'm wondering, is 717 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: there anything that comes to mind that maybe you would 718 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: want to share today? Whatever that means to you, whatever 719 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: that question means to. 720 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 2: You, publicis shouting yourself. Honestly, when I got told the 721 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 2: name of the show. 722 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: I was like, sure, sure, but listen, your mind sounds 723 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,240 Speaker 1: like it's going to some interesting places. But it's whatever 724 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: it means to you. 725 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 2: I've never said before. God, I don't know what I'm 726 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,760 Speaker 2: going to say something that completely like a context. Okay. 727 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: I used to have the belief that everyone was innately 728 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 2: good underneath, but now I don't know if I believe 729 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,439 Speaker 2: that that's deep I think good people can do. That's 730 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 2: just the first thing that popped into my head. So 731 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 2: I don't I think good people do bad things. I 732 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 2: think bad people do good things. And I was always 733 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 2: believed that people were good. But you know, I don't know, 734 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 2: what do you think? 735 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 1: I think, Wow, that's that. That is deep. I would 736 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: like to believe everybody's good, but I think through life, 737 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: through living, I've realized that's not always the case. I 738 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: like to see the good in everybody. I like to 739 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: give everybody a fair shot, but unfortunately, there have been 740 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: people in my life where you can't do that anymore, 741 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: and you have to realize who someone is when they 742 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: show it to you. So to your point, I think 743 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: that's very interesting. I don't know if everyone's innately good. 744 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: I think you're born that way, but then you have 745 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: to make decisions in your life and choose to be 746 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: good and not everyone always does. 747 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing as well. Wait are you going off? 748 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 2: That's the thing as well. It's really kind of hard 749 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 2: because if someone is born not innately good, then what 750 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 2: they need is compassion because it's not their fault per 751 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 2: se for being the way they are. 752 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: This is we can do a deep dive into this 753 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: because you're so right. I mean, it's a whole thing. 754 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 2: Right. 755 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: You're a product of your environment. You're not always set 756 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: up for success, you're born into horrible circumstances. So yes 757 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: to all of that. But I do think that you 758 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: have to make decisions in life, and you have to 759 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: get to a point where you realize what's good and 760 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: what's not. And even if there's no one in your 761 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: life that is a good example for you, going back 762 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: to the higher power, I would like to think we 763 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: all have something in us that does say that's not 764 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: the right decision, that's not the right move, and you 765 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: can fuck up. We all make mistakes, but if you 766 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: don't learn from them, that's where I think the problem is. 767 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: And that's why I say, I don't know to your point, 768 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: if I agree with you, I don't know if everyone 769 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: is innately good. I feel like we're Socrates and Aristotle right. 770 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 2: Here, fabulous ones, right, Yeah, that should be the name of. 771 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: Our show to philosop I'm off to a good start. 772 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 2: Two philosophers, a couple of arm chair philosophers. 773 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: There we go, armchairful, off, arm cheerful, awful. You can 774 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: say the title of our show going forward. Clearly I 775 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 1: can't handle it, Thomas, Thank you, for hanging out. I am. 776 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,399 Speaker 1: I'm such a fan of you as a person, and 777 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,720 Speaker 1: I think you're It's always exciting for me when people 778 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: walk into my studio in my room and show me 779 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: who they are beyond the artist, and because there's so 780 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: much more than our work and our jobs. And I 781 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: always say to people, you know, the guests I have on, 782 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: they're not their characters, so let's get to know them 783 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: in a different way, in a different light. And I 784 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: feel like we did that today, and I really appreciate 785 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: you hanging out. It's scary, yeah, it is, to get 786 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: in front of a mic and talk and have real conversation. 787 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: It can be scary. But hopefully I didn't scare you 788 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: too much. Yeah, you had a good time, Beautiful Blue Ears. Well, likewise, likewise, likewise, 789 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: thank you for hanging out. Your show Season two Tell 790 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: Me Lies is out now. Everybody catch up. The finale 791 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: is not too far away, and I hope we do 792 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: this again. 793 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, we'll see so thank you. 794 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: Slight I've never said this before. Is hosted by Me 795 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: Tommy Diderio. 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