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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolli. He is the Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson and we are live from Steelers training camp here

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio. This is

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Speaker 1: the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And Steelers just about

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Speaker 1: done with their practice. I think they have one more

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Speaker 1: session after this, one one more practice session and they

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Speaker 1: should be done. We're getting a little red zone work here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we've seen a little more Russell Wilson again. He's

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Speaker 1: made some nice throws down here. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to comment on that too. We were kind

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Speaker 2: of thinking the like here that I know, it's practice

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Speaker 2: and you get to hold the ball longer and there's

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Speaker 2: not t J cam Hayward barreling down on you. And

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Speaker 2: again I'm not here to pick on Kenny Pickett or

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Speaker 2: the former quarterbacks, but just harping on that throwing touchdown stuff.

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Speaker 2: He attempts passes down in the tight red zone that

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Speaker 2: Kenny didn't. I mean, I mean the ball is going

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Speaker 2: to come out of his hand.

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Speaker 1: There's a throw to the back of the end zone

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Speaker 1: to George Pickens where he put it through three different

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Speaker 1: guys yep to get it there. And you said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think a pick at attempts, And I said, well,

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Speaker 1: if he did, he probably throws it high because he

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Speaker 1: doesn't trust the arm strength to get it through that

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Speaker 2: And I also think he was very fearful of not

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Speaker 2: throwing a pick. So if I put this high and

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Speaker 2: Pickens makes a.

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Speaker 1: Play, he's the only one that's going to catch it.

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Speaker 2: Great, But it's a lot harder than where you know,

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Speaker 2: Wilson put it. He put it right on him.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And there's some crazy stats about how like in pick

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Speaker 2: or pick In's career, he's only had like three or

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Speaker 2: four accurate balls in the end zone throw to him

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Speaker 2: his entire career. Yeah, like that stuff's going to change

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Speaker 2: in a big way. And I also wanted to call

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Speaker 2: out Field. So I think this has been Field's best

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Speaker 2: day throwing the football. He said, three or four nice

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Speaker 2: ones he had won in the Uh. Yeah, an anticipatory throw,

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Speaker 2: which is really what I want to see from him

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Speaker 2: in the red zone. Right after that Wilson touchdown, we

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Speaker 2: talked about the one down here on the near side,

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Speaker 2: the Jefferson that he threw over. I think it was

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Speaker 2: Jefferson already threw it over his shoulder. Yeah, but he's

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Speaker 2: thrown the ball with more touch on today. You know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, Maybe progress and getting better isn't a

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Speaker 2: linear thing. Sometimes you take two steps forward three steps back.

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Speaker 2: And I thought Fields had a real nice day throwing

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Speaker 2: with touch and anticipation, which is the biggest thing I

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Speaker 2: want to see from him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like today they're going to finish with

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Speaker 1: some red zone eleven on eleven high red zortah high

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Speaker 1: red zone. So we'll see what this looks like a

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Speaker 1: little bit different with the pass rush there. Obviously they're

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Speaker 1: not tackling the quarterback to the ground though, right.

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Speaker 2: What they have three tight ends out there? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we've seen that a couple of times today. What would

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Speaker 2: have blown that one?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Actually that was herbig, That was herbig.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now he came through and heartbeat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, got off the ball very quickly.

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Speaker 2: Wholesale changes on offense after that. Yeah, they're doing a

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Speaker 2: four man rotation here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all the tight ends coming off, Nagy Harris coming off.

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Speaker 1: They're going with the smaller package here with Jayalen Warren

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Speaker 1: all the wide receivers because it is now second down.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, second long. So didn't get what they wanted

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Speaker 2: on first. So yeah, they're playing it like a game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And that's again, these are the competition periods

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Speaker 1: that Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting too.

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Speaker 1: They flip out the tight ends, but they bring Connor

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Speaker 2: Just so much different than the other tight end. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: especially like a Washington.

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Speaker 1: We got a false start there.

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Speaker 2: It comes a little bit on the rook and running.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's something, there's something a little new there. We

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Speaker 1: and he false starts to fall starts, he feels shame,

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Speaker 1: he's starting his lap of I think sorrow went back

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Speaker 1: down right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where's he's going the other direction? Okay, where's it going?

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Speaker 1: But Dan Moore holding holding onto that left that left

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Speaker 2: And yeah, your little chat with him today.

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Speaker 1: I did have a little chat with him today and

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Speaker 1: we'll hear back. We'll hear from Dan Moore a little

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Speaker 1: bit later here, and uh, he's up to the challenge

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I again, I can't stress this enough.

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Speaker 2: I think they have ten NFL offensive linemen and a

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Speaker 2: couple of them have a chance to be really, really good,

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Speaker 2: but they aren't there yet. And maybe Dan Moore is

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Speaker 2: a placeholder, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have value

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Speaker 2: or shouldn't be on the field, or hasn't earned the

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Speaker 2: left tackle job to this point.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just saw a screenplay kind of blown

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Speaker 1: up there, And that's the one thing that I have

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Speaker 1: seen from fields that needs some work. His touch passes

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Speaker 1: on some of these shorter plays along the line of

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Speaker 1: scrimmage and things of that. And like they're trying to

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Speaker 1: run screenplays. They did it last night several times.

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Speaker 2: They haven't been super sick.

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Speaker 1: Guys are getting guys are getting their hands on balls.

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Speaker 1: Cam Hayward knocked one down last night. TJ. White.

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Speaker 2: Like they're just struggling to get those screenplays going. Defense

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Speaker 2: is doing a good job sniffing them out though, no question,

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Speaker 2: But the screen game people might not know this from

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Speaker 2: a practice scheme perspective. It takes a lot of time.

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Speaker 2: I mean, because a lot of it's such timing by

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Speaker 2: the lineman. How long do I hold this block before

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Speaker 2: I go and move upfield? The back has to sneak

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Speaker 2: out at the right time. Quarterback can't hold it too

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Speaker 2: long or throw it too flat. But you don't want

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Speaker 2: to throw balloon balls either, and I needless to say

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Speaker 2: to your point, the screen game thus far is a

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Speaker 2: work in progress.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, definitely looks like something that Arthur Smith wants

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Speaker 1: to incorporate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet he's frustrated so far with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Fields, I don't think throws that particularly well.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, Agreed. I am interested to see what Wilson will

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Speaker 2: look like in the screen game, at least because I

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Speaker 2: think he does that well. Actually I do too, I

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Speaker 2: do too, you know, so that's something I'm sure that

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Speaker 2: the offensive staff isn't thrilled with at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, the wholesale line changes here as the second

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Speaker 1: unit comes in with Kyle Allen at quarterback, and you

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Speaker 1: get the second line in there now Troy Fatano has

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Speaker 2: Lap lap right back out there, right tackle. Yeah, yep,

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Speaker 2: And I have really high hopes for him. The more

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Speaker 2: I watch him, the more impressed moves so well. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot to work with. Their absolutely a Fraser center.

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Speaker 1: We get a little ie formation here, a little power eye.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this fullback stuff is not going away.

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Speaker 1: No, I and Coleto does some good things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh he does. I mean, this doesn't blow you up.

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Speaker 2: Time of practice yeah, pads and though, but he's he

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was watching him again last night when the

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Speaker 1: padded practice, and again they were using him at the

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Speaker 1: goal line. They were using him in those short yarded situations,

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Speaker 1: and he led the way on a couple of runs

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Speaker 1: down at the goal line. He's he's, he's legit.

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Speaker 2: And the more homework I do, I think he's going

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Speaker 2: to be at least an adequate special teamer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, has some linebacker playing. A lot of those fullbacks

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Speaker 1: do because nobody, no colleges go and say recruit a

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Speaker 2: We did way back in the day at pitt but

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Speaker 2: that was even starting to get rare then. That was

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Speaker 2: well over twenty years. How many how many high school

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Speaker 2: teams have a true fullback that can actually move? I

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Speaker 2: wonder how many D one colleges actually have one too?

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Speaker 2: I mean nobody employs it. I mean, especially because the

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Speaker 2: hash marks are so wide, you don't everybody's going to

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Speaker 2: spread out. Yeah, you don't have a real confined banger.

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Speaker 2: A lot of guys are A lot of the fullbacks

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Speaker 2: across the league are former nose tackles.

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Speaker 1: I mean random. Roberts did it in his early in

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Speaker 1: his career with the New England Pagers. He actually caught

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Speaker 1: a touchdown pass from Tom Brady I remember.

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Speaker 2: I remember, yeah, and the Reale Belichickian thing to do.

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Speaker 2: And I bet Roberts could do it here if you

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Speaker 2: had to.

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean I know.

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Speaker 2: I talked to him and he said he's he's volunteered

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Speaker 2: to do that. But I don't think they need him to. No,

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Speaker 2: I don't think they do either. And they don't want

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Speaker 2: to be a full time full back or not or

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Speaker 2: even like the full back obviously, you know, because he's

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Speaker 2: got enough responsibilities as it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's catching.

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Speaker 2: Them ball.

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Speaker 3: That.

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Speaker 2: No, that wasn't that's the tight end. He's a new guy, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That that's so cool. That's so cool. Yeah. So Col's

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Speaker 2: got a little bit of a history too. I mean

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Speaker 2: when they picked him up, he was like, oh, he's

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Speaker 2: not bad. I mean, I don't know if he's to

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Speaker 2: make this team or any He.

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Speaker 1: Was bad and backs on backers. He struggled to back cockers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he want you tight end to be a little

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Speaker 1: more physical than that.

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Speaker 2: He's not real thickly built either his lower half. He's

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Speaker 2: kind of built like a big receiver almost.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's what he excels at because

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Speaker 1: he better because his blocking was not. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just going on what I saw last night. I

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Speaker 1: mean he's been with the team about three days.

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Speaker 2: So they got three tight ends out of there. Again,

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Speaker 1: Little too much mustard on that one from Michael Pruet

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Speaker 1: there and Justin Fields overthrows him.

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Speaker 2: He was open, No, he was. The three tight ends

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Speaker 2: all on the same side, two of them kind of

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Speaker 2: crashed down and he you know, kind of spun off

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Speaker 2: and was open. Is a good play design?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, we're seeing a lot more of that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. The play design is different. We see a

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Speaker 1: lot more stuff schemed up. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's been most notable to me near the near the

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Speaker 2: end zone, but yeah, in all over the field as well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're again, I can't wait to see games.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of schemed up receivers that are pretty

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Speaker 2: aren't open.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're doing a nice job of that. And saw

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Speaker 2: that last night and seven shots the offense winning seven shots.

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Speaker 2: And there's another one schemed up nicely there. Pat Friarmouth

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Speaker 2: that was good throw to put them, yeh, leading them

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Speaker 2: to the outside, leading them to the cone.

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Speaker 1: The offense wins seven shots last night, seven nothing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how about that?

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Speaker 1: It's giving some other guys an opportunity here with him out,

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Speaker 1: And we are back here live at Saint Vincent College.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson on the

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Speaker 1: Matt up in the Canton. Today they are inventing the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Hall of Fame class. That's Dwight Freeney,

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Speaker 2: Pretty good class. I don't think think it's a the

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Speaker 1: first time, in his hospital bed and things of that nature,

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Speaker 1: and I just kind ofize it was that bad. Yeah,

440
00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,720
Speaker 1: he's Yeah, it's very unfortunate, but I look at his

441
00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:55,760
Speaker 1: career stats.

442
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Speaker 2: I bet they're not really impressiblely and.

443
00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,920
Speaker 1: I you know, kind of compare that to what Cam

444
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,199
Speaker 1: Hayward he's done in his career.

445
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,720
Speaker 2: McMichael played fifteen seasons, Okay, so that's something to be credited.

446
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, eight hundred and forty seven career tackles, ninety

447
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,159
Speaker 1: five career sacks. Of course, he was a defensive tackle.

448
00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,240
Speaker 1: He was, you know, very good player. And I'm not

449
00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,159
Speaker 1: saying deserve to be in the Hall of Fame, but

450
00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,040
Speaker 1: I see some of the defensive tackles from today when,

451
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 1: for example, we did Bill Barnwells. Yeah, yeah, that Hall

452
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,919
Speaker 1: of Fame and there weren't other than Aaron Donald and

453
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,560
Speaker 1: Chris Jones. You didn't have any defensive tackles going in

454
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Speaker 1: over the next ten years.

455
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,360
Speaker 2: That's interesting because I think there's a lot of good

456
00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,840
Speaker 2: ones in the league now that are way too young

457
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,959
Speaker 2: to forecast that. For the dexter Lawrences and the Quinn

458
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,440
Speaker 2: Williams and those type of guys are probably on that pace,

459
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,760
Speaker 2: but they need to do it at least five more years,

460
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then there's the guys

461
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,679
Speaker 2: that I often kind of equate with Cam, but I

462
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,000
Speaker 2: think he's got a much stronger case than Fletcher Cox,

463
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 2: kalais Cam Cam Jordan, who's kind of an end slash

464
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 2: tackle that do have the longevity, but I don't think

465
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,600
Speaker 2: they were as high impact player as Hayward and maybe

466
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 2: Buckner aside. Buckner is still playing well, but he's younger

467
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,959
Speaker 2: than those guys. I think Cam's a better player than

468
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,359
Speaker 2: all of them at this moment. Yeah, I assuming he

469
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 2: comes back to close to what we saw two years ago.

470
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's kind of my expectation. I think I

471
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,680
Speaker 1: think he will be back. I mean, he's he's looked

472
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,359
Speaker 1: good out here running around at training camp and looks

473
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 1: like Cam Hayward.

474
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and leader. And they're not going to tax him

475
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 2: here by any stretch or in the preseason of course,

476
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Speaker 2: so we'll start to really get a feel for him,

477
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 2: I think in week one of the regular season. But

478
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Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of concerns.

479
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 1: No, nor do I. Do you think that Devin Hester

480
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 1: making it this year does something in terms of you know,

481
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 1: you talk about him, well, he's the greatest punt returner

482
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Speaker 1: of all time.

483
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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I'll buy that. Yeah.

484
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Speaker 1: Does that then mean that you start looking at at

485
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Speaker 1: you know, some of the other guys that were the

486
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Speaker 1: greatest at their posit Cordell Patterson, for example, I.

487
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 2: Thought you might bring up Patterson. Yeah, I mean, frankly,

488
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,439
Speaker 2: I think Hester's had a better career than Patterson, you know,

489
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 2: just as a returner, but Patterson also has helped his

490
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 2: offenses more. Right, He's done way more as a regular

491
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 2: football player, right than Devin Hester ever.

492
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 1: Did at any position. Yeah, he was a positionless player.

493
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 2: And I think it's also harder for Patterson because you

494
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 2: go through all those years we can just kick it

495
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: out of the end zone. But maybe these next two

496
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 2: or three years, if he gets five more touchdowns, you know,

497
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 2: I mean, if this rule really does open up the

498
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 2: kicking the kickoff return game, maybe. I mean, I don't

499
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 2: think he's frankly in consideration yet, But I've also don't

500
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 2: tend to agree with the voters on Vinitari and Hester.

501
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: Or the fact that, like, who's this true special team?

502
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: It was on those great Bills teams that keeps coming

503
00:21:55,359 --> 00:22:00,360
Speaker 2: up to It was on the Jim Kelly team. Yeah,

504
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 2: I know, yeah right, I mean, it's fun to root for,

505
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: but he plays fifteen snaps a game or something. I mean,

506
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 2: the fact that those guys still get strong consideration. Shocks me,

507
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 2: to be honest with you. So if if you look.

508
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Speaker 1: At Cordero Patterson's career, he was third in the offensive

509
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year voting.

510
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Speaker 2: As right, Oh, he came in to main an impact.

511
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, uh. He had forty five catches that year

512
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 1: in addition to having Also what do you have rushing?

513
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 2: Was one hundred and fifty eight yards rushing as a

514
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: rookie and was first round pick of the Vikings.

515
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: It was a ridiculous special teams immediately made an impact there.

516
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 1: First team All Pro that year Special teams. Yeah. Yeah,

517
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: his third year, second team All Pro, his fourth year,

518
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 1: first team All he's been for He's been first team

519
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: All Pro.

520
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 2: For Pro Bowl All pros.

521
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, he's been a Pro Bowl player five times.

522
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know. He's been second team All Pro

523
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: two other times. So he's got six All Pro votings.

524
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Speaker 1: And to your point about the returns the last two season,

525
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: I actually looked this up the other day. He had

526
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: seven returns last year period for the Falcons.

527
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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

528
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: The Falcons as a team had fourteen.

529
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 5: Wow.

530
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: They didn't return.

531
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Speaker 6: Kicks at all.

532
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: Wow.

533
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean that's amazing. He only returned the ball

534
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: seven times last year. I mean that's going to go

535
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 2: up times four.

536
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a kick return touchdown in twenty twenty two.

537
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: He only had nine returns in twenty twenty two.

538
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 2: Okay, wow, I mean that's amazing to have that few

539
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: returns these last couple of years. And I assume Atlanta

540
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: is not anominally. I mean that always everybody, that's everybody.

541
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Speaker 1: The Steelers had eighteen returns against them. As a team.

542
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 2: Against them, Yeah, do you know how many they happened

543
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 2: to have the other way around?

544
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Speaker 1: They brought out twenty four, they brought twenty. They were

545
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: a little more aggressive with it than some other teams.

546
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Speaker 2: It makes sense. Okay, wow, he had nine nine He

547
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: had seven last year, so he had half of their

548
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 2: returns and that was seven. So I'm not worried about

549
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 2: this because the Arthur Smith connection, but we haven't seen

550
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: him here yet. I hope he still has it, you

551
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I'm sure he does. But if

552
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: you just were to not know the personal connection between

553
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: him and Atlanta's former head coach, you'd wonder, how do

554
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 2: you judge this guy off nine kickoff returns? So maybe

555
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: that's why he was still out there when the kickoff

556
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 2: role was still you know, being determined. You know, yeah,

557
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 2: I don't think he's I mean he's a big dude.

558
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: He's a big, powerful Yeah, he's a different type of

559
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: returner than I think people are used to.

560
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: And we've we've heard people talking about who's going to

561
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: be returning kicks this year? Well, maybe you use some

562
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: running backs there, you know, Well he's done that. Oh.

563
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 2: I think he's the prototype. He's the proto.

564
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: He's what's exactly what your guy who's going to run

565
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: through some tackles, a guy who has some running back

566
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: in his background, a guy who is a receiver, but

567
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: he still has that speed and size.

568
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: I say, he's got the long speed of like a receiver,

569
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: but he has the physicality and vision of a running back.

570
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why he's so good at what he did,

571
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 2: and he's he's never really found a great home purely

572
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: as a running back, purely is a receiver. You know,

573
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: when Vikings drafted him, his draft profile was get the

574
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: ball in his hands and see what he can do.

575
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: Because it's great. But he's not a developed routrunner and

576
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: he's never Nickel and Dimy to death.

577
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: With Now he's a better version of Kadarius Tony.

578
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, much bigger, much more physical, much more reliable,

579
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 2: without question. I mean, I think that's what they wanted

580
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: Tony to be whenever he was drafted.

581
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: But you're talking about a guy in his career who

582
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: has rushed for twenty five hundred yards. He's caught passes

583
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: for almost twenty eight hundred yards.

584
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I wonder how many total yards when you

585
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: put kickoffs and all that has he produced at this level.

586
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: It's got to be a high number. He's well, he

587
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: was touched down fifty.

588
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: Three hundred yards from scrimmage. Is an offensive player? Really?

589
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 2: Okay? How many touchdowns does he have as a offensive player?

590
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: Offensive player? Twenty two rushing sixteen, so thirty eight total.

591
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: That's pretty good for not being a full time, yeah,

592
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: one hundred percent snap type of guy, right.

593
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: For a guy who's got five hundred and fourteen career

594
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: rushing attempts and two hundred ninety eight catches nine, I

595
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: think people will be surprised to know that he has

596
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: two hundred and ninety eight catches.

597
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: I bet, I bet, yeah. I thought I had definitely

598
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: taken the under on that too. And I asked about

599
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: the touchdowns just because his his skill set lends to

600
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: putting the ball into paint. Yeah, you know, I mean

601
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: I think he's going to put I bet he scores

602
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: in some capacity this year. Yeah, maybe more than one.

603
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: You had in the return yardage, I bet it's off

604
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: the shards. His return yardage thirteen thousand, three hundred yards.

605
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: And there was nine returns last year.

606
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that nine.

607
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: That's reci seven last year nine a year before that,

608
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: so six sixteen the last year, sixteen returns in the

609
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: last two years. The last he had eighteen and twenty

610
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: makes me laugh, eighteen and twenty twenty one. Now, remember

611
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two he was

612
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: also like one was the lead back. He was like

613
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: their lead running back. Yeah, so you weren't going to

614
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: use him all the time in that. In twenty twenty

615
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: he was All Pro thirty five returns for one thousand

616
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: over one thousand yards.

617
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: Wow, he's had his highest yardage in a season returner.

618
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

619
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Speaker 1: No, he had for his rookie year. He had on

620
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: forty three returns almost fourteen hundred yards. Wow.

621
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: I mean he I assume he still is. But he

622
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 2: was absolutely elite as a return guy. But even in

623
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two when he had the nine returns, he

624
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: averaged thirty one point six yards.

625
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: It return you aren't good. You'll take that all day long. Wow.

626
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: Interesting now, but he's another wildcard we haven't seen that.

627
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see how he gets incorporated.

628
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 1: And honestly, I don't care if we don't see him

629
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: until the regular season.

630
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: That's a good way put in it. Like, I bet

631
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 2: we don't see him before the regular season, especially with

632
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: people trying to disguise their kickoff stuff potentially, I don't

633
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: need to see him out there. See what you're gonna

634
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: do with him. Yeah, I'm sure that he knows what

635
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 2: to do. Yeah, maybe you put him in with the

636
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: offense the third preseason game or something like that. Give

637
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: him some carries, maybe run some routes, but he doesn't

638
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: have to prove anything.

639
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: The other thing about him that always when I would

640
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: watch him, he is like the most aggressive return guy

641
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: in the league.

642
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: He knows he's good and he's cocky about it.

643
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: Like you kick at eight nine yards deep, he's still

644
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: bringing it back. Yeah. Now, now, maybe not so much

645
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: because you get your balld at the thirty.

646
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: But no, he knew he was good. And if you're

647
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 2: gonna put give me a chance, I'm taking advantage of

648
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: every one I possibly can. Yeah, and he hurt you.

649
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: And he hurts you a lot. Yeah again that.

650
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: That I can't undersell the addition of him Johnston Matta Kaevic.

651
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: I mean you already had Killer Brew, ye. I mean

652
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: they're all like Pro Bowl caliber special teams guys, you know,

653
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: and you already have bos who was great bass and

654
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: Killer Brew were two of the best, and you added

655
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: three of the best. Yeah, specialists. You just got to

656
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Speaker 2: build around that. Now, Yeah, we'll fill They got to

657
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: fill in the blanks. And I know you and I

658
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: have talked several times like who are the gunners? I

659
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Speaker 2: mean I think that's we'll see too, you know.

660
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Speaker 1: Yeah, those are all things that need to be sussed

661
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Speaker 1: out here as we continue this. But yeah, I think, uh,

662
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, Steeler fans are gonna like that addition, especially

663
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Speaker 1: when he takes one to the house.

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Speaker 2: I would think I would think, I see rules, it's

665
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: gonna happen. I think we're scratching the surface with what

666
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: we know about the kickoff rule. Anyone to watch the

667
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame game and things, they have a firm

668
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: grasp of it. You don't, Yeah, you don't any other

669
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Speaker 2: special games coaches. You know him at full speed, he's

670
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Speaker 2: going to run through arm tackles. Yes, yes, I mean

671
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Speaker 2: there's a couple of guys like him and justin Fields

672
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Speaker 2: that I really want to see at full speed in

673
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Speaker 2: a game with pads on the ball in their hands,

674
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: you know, like just running as fast as they could

675
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: possibly go. I think they have a couple guys that

676
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: could be that twenty mile an hour plus neighborhood in

677
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: the open field. Yeah, that's kind of the magic number. Yeah,

678
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: that is the magic number. And we know they've got

679
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: a few guys that could already do that. Make and

680
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: Fitzpatrick being won, Yeah, and the back seven it got

681
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: a lot faster. That was a weakness I thought last year.

682
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Speaker 1: Yeah, particularly now that we've had a couple of saturdays

683
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Speaker 1: under our belts here, Who's who overall has stood out

684
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Speaker 1: to you in this camp other than the guys we've

685
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Speaker 1: already talked.

686
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Speaker 2: Let's say, I like the walmarton Imagine. Yeah, yeah, I

687
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: thought Washington was a standout. Still a little early to

688
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: anoint any lineman in my opinion, I mean including pass rushers.

689
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: But I mean that's starting what I've seen from the

690
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: Marvin Lealviison, Oh good one. He definitely is moving quicker.

691
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: I think he would have had a sack on a

692
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Speaker 2: play today that of course, you know, I had to

693
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Speaker 2: blast a quarterback. But I would say has improved his

694
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: stock for sure. Both of the slot corners, you know

695
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: there aren't super high pedigree guys. I think they're both

696
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: making a strong case to stick around. Who else will

697
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: we go with here? I mean, how about I mean,

698
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: they're common knowledge type guys. But we opened the show

699
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Speaker 2: with Harris and Warren. But I just want to focus

700
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Speaker 2: on protection. Yeah, I mean that's that's not easy. Protection

701
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Speaker 2: is a back as hard, especially.

702
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Speaker 1: In backs on backers where everything is set up for

703
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Speaker 1: you to fail.

704
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Speaker 2: There's just a ton of space to carry.

705
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot, a lot to deal with there.

707
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Speaker 2: I have like what I've seen I understand Peyton Wilson

708
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: is that next day he's making some mistakes and he's

709
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Speaker 2: you know, he's a young guy, but he does everything

710
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Speaker 2: really fast. He does everything really fast, and they're the

711
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Speaker 2: fact that they allow him to be out there making

712
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Speaker 2: mistakes shows what you think of them too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think they have.

714
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Speaker 2: A plan for him. We have brought this up, but

715
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Speaker 2: I don't know that we'll see Cole Hulkom anytime soon.

716
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Speaker 2: And I think we'll see Wilson more and more and more. Yeah,

717
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Speaker 2: I think so as well. You know, I do believe

718
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Speaker 2: that's uh, you know, I mean, that's a pretty good

719
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: trio without Hulkum, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

721
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Speaker 2: Some are all kind of different.

722
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Speaker 1: You get hold them back and and you know, maybe

723
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Speaker 1: he's you know, your special team's ace in the second half.

724
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Speaker 2: Who knows. Yeah, maybe him and Sutton are the guys

725
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: that like come off the bench and revite.

726
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Speaker 1: Great interceptionble state the goal line. And he's been playing

727
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Speaker 1: mostly like second third team stuff.

728
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Speaker 2: I know how they handle him, but that makes all

729
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Speaker 2: the sense and world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he knows the defense. You know, you're not you're

731
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Speaker 1: not reinventing the wheel there with him. So he just

732
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Speaker 1: kind of incorporated him. Get the other guys on the

733
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Speaker 1: field ahead of him.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they get ready for week one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Uh. Another guy that I've really been impressed with,

736
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Speaker 1: and we talked a ton about this guy last year

737
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Speaker 1: has been Spencer Anderson.

738
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I think he's a legit. I don't want

739
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: to say he's an NFL starter, but he's going barreling

740
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Speaker 2: down that path right now.

741
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean he looks he does, he belongs,

742
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: he belongs, and you know you don't necessarily always. I

743
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: mean you're talking about a guy who was seventh round

744
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: draft pick is on offensive lineman, really didn't have a position,

745
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: and they played them all over the line last year

746
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: and it was never.

747
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: Too bigot called upon.

748
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was never too big for him. And this

749
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: year he's settling selling in it guard and looks good.

750
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Speaker 2: I haven't seen him much at center if I missed that,

751
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: I mean last No, I think I think that ship

752
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: is sailed because they have enough guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

753
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: I assume after Fraser they said Spencer, you're a guard

754
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Speaker 2: and maybe breaking case of emergency on game day if

755
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: we only have seven active and a couple get hurt,

756
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: that you could do something else. But no, I think

757
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: he would. I don't think it's even too early in

758
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: his career to say there are teams he would be

759
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: a starter on right now. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, I

760
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: mean the Saints could use him right absolutely, right.

761
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Speaker 1: Let's get to another break here. He is the Matt Williamson.

762
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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lallie. You're listening to the Drive here

763
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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh. We're gonna

764
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Speaker 1: take a break. We'll be back with more here live

765
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Speaker 1: from Steelers training camp. It's the Drive, The Drive, and

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Speaker 1: start listening.

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Speaker 4: The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on your

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Speaker 4: twenty four to seven home of the Black and Gold

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Speaker 4: Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Drive here on Fox Sports Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: and Steelers Nation Radio. I am Dale Lolly here with

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and Matt. Earlier today, our colleague Wes Yuler

773
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Speaker 1: had a chance to chat with former Steelers fullback and

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Speaker 1: special teams A Roosevelt Nicks.

775
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Speaker 2: Yeah, how about that? Yeah, And let's hear.

776
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Speaker 1: What Rosie had to say a lot of stuff on

777
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Speaker 1: a new kicking role and things of that nature.

778
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Speaker 2: Sure, we actually talked about earlier. Sometimes you convert defensive

779
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Speaker 2: linemen to fullbacks and not everyone's using fullback and that's

780
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Speaker 2: one crazyat examples, right, All right, right.

781
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Speaker 1: So let's hear what Roosevelt Nicks had to say to

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Speaker 1: West Yuler.

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Speaker 7: Every single day but I do obviously, like I said there,

784
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Speaker 7: I want to talk to you about this new kickoff rule. Yeah,

785
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 7: major change. I mean, probably the most significant change in

786
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Speaker 7: terms of a rule in the NFL that we've seen

787
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Speaker 7: in a while. As a guy who had a lot

788
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Speaker 7: of teams success yourself, just your thoughts about how how

789
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 7: that's going to play out here, particularly the beginning of

790
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Speaker 7: the season.

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Speaker 8: You know, I think, just like anything else, right, the

792
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 8: league has the rules that they change every year. Right,

793
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 8: we know that, we know that that's going to happen.

794
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 8: It's just about adapting and the justing and who can

795
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 8: do it the best. Right, There's always by the end

796
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 8: of the year there will be schemes and trick plays

797
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 8: off off of this kickoff and we'll forget that we're

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Speaker 8: even talking about it.

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Speaker 6: But you know, it is a change, and I think

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Speaker 6: that nobody knows, right, we don't know. I don't know.

801
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Speaker 8: Shooting from here, yeah, I mean, you would like to

802
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 8: think that there's some science behind maybe putting the individual

803
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 8: talents of one on one combat inside of the allotted Now,

804
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Speaker 8: it's not like you could say that, you know, they're

805
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Speaker 8: trying to finite the skills of hand battling and one

806
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Speaker 8: on one blocking.

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Speaker 6: But you know, we'll see.

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00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 8: I think that obviously it does give a lot of players,

809
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 8: you know, some more years to careers and more plays

810
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 8: and quarters or whatever may have you.

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Speaker 6: So I'm excited.

812
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Speaker 8: I think it Obviously it is different, but I think

813
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 8: just like anything else, I think now people's skills are

814
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 8: going to obviously elevate with the time.

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Speaker 6: You know, you're going to have to make those more

816
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Speaker 6: one on one plays.

817
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Speaker 8: And stand out more to be more of a special

818
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 8: team's demon or whatever we want to call them.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 7: Now we know it's interesting too, like the Hall of

821
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Speaker 7: Fame Enshrineman is today and Canton Devin Hester's going in.

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Speaker 7: Like the way kickoffs have been the last couple of years,

823
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Speaker 7: you wouldn't have been able to make the Hall of Fame.

824
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Speaker 7: I know that the number that the NFL kept repeating

825
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 7: was that between the AFC NFC championship games and the

826
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Speaker 7: Super Bowl, in those three games there were only two

827
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Speaker 7: kickoffs returned and those three games combined, And so we

828
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Speaker 7: know that that's a play the NFL has tried to

829
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Speaker 7: make safer. But I think at the same time they're

830
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Speaker 7: thinking there's still excitement to this there's still guys like

831
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Speaker 7: Devin Hester that have been a bit fabric of the sport.

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Speaker 7: We got to get more you know, more live balls.

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00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean we and what we Every team is

834
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 8: signing these these these returners, specialists and these little status

835
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Speaker 8: were guys that you know, are exciting guys and we

836
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Speaker 8: want the ball in their hands.

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Speaker 6: And that's why, just like you just said, even back

838
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Speaker 6: when I played, you.

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Speaker 8: Know, there was no Now there's only a two man wedge,

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Speaker 8: But before I was like, whoa, I couldn't imagine being

841
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 8: there five man wedge of offensive lineman on kickoff. So

842
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 8: the game is going to change, and it's changed even

843
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 8: from when I played, and it changed again, you know,

844
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Speaker 8: if they decide to keep it or not.

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Speaker 6: But you know, like it's exciting, man, it's exciting.

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00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 7: It's you always got to adapt, right, I mean, every

847
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 7: year something's going to be new. It might be major,

848
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 7: it might be minor, but you always got to adapt.

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Speaker 7: Rosie Nicks in the building with us here as we

850
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Speaker 7: are about twenty minutes or so away from this Saturday practice.

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Speaker 7: All right, we got to talk about these these running backs.

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Speaker 7: Let's before I let you get out of it. I

853
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 7: mean both primed for massive years. Were you there last night?

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Speaker 7: There last night, I mean you saw the physicality between

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Speaker 7: Naugy and Jalen Moore and going back and forth for

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00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 7: Patrick Queen and Landon Roberts.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 7: Like that is it feels like they really in the

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00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 7: last year or so with what they've done with the

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Speaker 7: offensive line, having two guys like Nause and Jalen like

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Speaker 7: this kind of return to power football, and man, it

862
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Speaker 7: seems like they have the personnel to do it.

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Speaker 8: I think so. I think so. And I know we

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Speaker 8: have a fullback on roster right now that I do.

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Speaker 8: I do love getting back to that old football. I

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Speaker 8: think Nause is durable. I think his body, he's a

867
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Speaker 8: big back. I think we all know. And if you

868
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Speaker 8: don't know by now, you're gonna find out real soon

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00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 8: about Jay Warren, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: So I'm excited. And Coach Faulk is a good coach.

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Speaker 8: With keeping it, keeping the room young, with a lot

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00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 8: of new drills and things like that to make sure

873
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 8: these guys are ready. So we all know that we

874
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 8: like to run the ball here in Pittsburgh and it's

875
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 8: just another facet of our game.

876
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 6: And I think once we can.

877
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 8: Get that back to you know that that good first

878
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 8: you know, three four yards every four or five yards

879
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 8: every first down. I think we're going to be talking

880
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 8: about something real special, trying to unleash you know, gep

881
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 8: He and all them.

882
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: Guys like that.

883
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 8: So I'm excited about the firepower on paper that we

884
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 8: have as an offense in total, in every position.

885
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're absolutely right. What it does for GP, what

886
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 7: it does for a guy like Pat Fryer Mooth is

887
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 7: well to to open things for them.

888
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: Yep.

889
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 7: And you know, of course Arthur Smith during his time

890
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 7: last last stent as an offensive coordinator in Tennessee, just

891
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 7: the way listen, King Henry was always gonna be King Henry, right,

892
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 7: but the way he really took off and that Arthur

893
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 7: Smith offense, Yeah, he got to be excited about what

894
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 7: that means for Nag.

895
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: And Jason Wore.

896
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 8: It's primed, it's ready. I think a lot of things.

897
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 8: That's why I'm here. I'm here today because I'm excited. Man,

898
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 8: I had to see some of this stuff.

899
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 6: I hopefully I get to see that kickoff today and formal.

900
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 7: Opennion Smith will be down there.

901
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 8: Form an opinion about that. But no, man, to deuce,

902
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 8: deuce and thirty. Man, that's exciting. Won two punts right there,

903
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 8: and then you know, we got that old line growing

904
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 8: and getting better every day. We got a nice big

905
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 8: tight ends too. I mean, I think it's it's primed,

906
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 8: like you said, uh, it's ready.

907
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 7: It's gonna be a lot of fun. I can't wait

908
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 7: for that first game in Atlanta when the when the

909
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 7: bullets really kept flying. Roosevelt Knicks, Thank you so much, partner.

910
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 6: Thank you's always.

911
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 7: Good seeing you out here every single year. Enjoy practice

912
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 7: today and we'll talk to you soon.

913
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 6: Yes, I appreciate you having me out man. Shout out

914
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 6: to you. Operation you got going, man, it's really good.

915
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you. I appreciate that. I'm in here solo today,

916
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 7: so I really appreciate it.

917
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: You're really doing your dame.

918
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 6: And I was excited to see you.

919
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 8: I would have gave you some more excitement, but they

920
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 8: said you was live, so I had to be quiet.

921
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 6: But you know, until next year, brother, you know, I'll

922
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 6: see you again.

923
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 7: Had a lot of fun. Roosevelt Knicks Steelers legend. We

924
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 7: got to get to our last break before practice, and

925
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 7: we'll do that when we return. On the other side.

926
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 7: It's Steelers Nation rate.

927
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: That was former Steelers fullback Roosevelt Knicks with West Huler

928
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: earlier today here on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio.

929
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: Matt I had an opportunity to shit down and talk

930
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: to Dan Moore Junior earlier today and uh again, we

931
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: talked about it earlier in the show, how he is

932
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: holding onto that tackle job thus far and he's not

933
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: seating anything right now.

934
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 2: No, kind of an unsung hero. It's not an easy

935
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: role to take when you see guys at your position

936
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: drafted in the first rounds and two years ago, right like,

937
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: you know, and you're still running with the ones you know,

938
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: hang on and battle it out.

939
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, let's let's hear what Dan had to say

940
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 1: about that whole process.

941
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 9: I think you can continue to improve your body. Is

942
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 9: that a focus of emphasis so that trooty off season?

943
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean it always is.

944
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 5: I feel like it's always a focus of mind to

945
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 5: just come back a better player, better shafe than I

946
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 5: was the year before, continuing to trying to get better.

947
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: You stood up to the challenge last year with Brogers.

948
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: You stood up to this less far than the.

949
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 9: Challenges another new tackle when you really, how do you

950
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 9: keep that mentally focused when that when that kind of

951
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 9: stuff happens.

952
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: Ah, Man, it's tough.

953
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's just having unwaivered faith and

954
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 5: confidence really.

955
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: Just trying to.

956
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 5: Control what I can control and focus on me me

957
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 5: versus me, and just having trust and faith that as

958
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 5: long as I do what I'm strussed to do, everything

959
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 5: will work out.

960
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 9: At the same time, we should out there helping guys,

961
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 9: you know, these young guys improve themselves.

962
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: I mean that that goes back to that, to the

963
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: faith that you have in yourself.

964
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 5: Most definitely, I mean, and then knowing knowing the role

965
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 5: that I'm stepping into now being the older guy. Uh,

966
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 5: being a guy that's been here. It's crazy how young

967
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 5: I am, but being the most experienced tackle in the room.

968
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 5: I mean, those guys are gonna be coming to me

969
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 5: every chance that can get, so just trying to be

970
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 5: a resource to 'em and understanding my role to them.

971
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: Does it feel like you're work for you?

972
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: I mean, they lo that pretty quickly.

973
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 5: It it has frown by definitely, I I I I

974
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,959
Speaker 5: will say I still feel I still feel like I'm young,

975
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 5: But I mean, in the grand scheme of things, Uh,

976
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 5: with the amount of games that I played, you know,

977
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 5: I should be stepping into the roles that I'm stepping

978
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 5: into now, so I'm thankful for it.

979
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: Does you feel like you you feel like you keep

980
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: im grooving every year? I do.

981
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 5: I do, and that that's always the goal, just to

982
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 5: keep getting better each and every time I step on

983
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 5: that field, you know, every every time I report back,

984
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 5: I just want people say he's a different players.

985
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 9: Coaching staffers seemed to feel that way about it most definitely.

986
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: They've They've shown fronting you, They've shown that, yeah, this

987
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 3: guy is continuing to get.

988
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 5: Better, most definitely, And I think that's just shown off

989
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 5: the field of play. Uh, the way I compete, the

990
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 5: way I battle, the way I.

991
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: Work as well.

992
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's not all just uh, you know,

993
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 5: it just so happened. It's definitely a lot of hard work, uh, and.

994
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: Things that go into it behind the scenes.

995
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 9: Did you do anything different training behind the scenes this

996
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 9: year to get ready for this year?

997
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 5: It was a lot of mental preparation, I'll say.

998
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: More so.

999
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 3: I tried to tighten.

1000
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 5: Up on my diet a lot more to spring. Last spring,

1001
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 5: I definitely had a really good diet but this year

1002
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 5: was more so of like tracking protein, add a little

1003
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 5: bit more so women's of my diet and really focusing

1004
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 5: on like strength.

1005
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: And this off season it was just something you did

1006
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: on your own.

1007
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: Did somebody talk to you about that?

1008
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 3: Did you talk in order?

1009
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 5: Kind of something that I did on my own?

1010
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 9: Honestly, it's when you when you do things like that

1011
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 9: to improve your body.

1012
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 3: Could you feel the strength?

1013
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 5: And that's really most definitely from the moment spring Ota

1014
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 5: said I could, I.

1015
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: Could feel the deads.

1016
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 9: It's funny because the off season isn't all that long

1017
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 9: for you guys to be able to do those kind

1018
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 9: of things and and take that step back and kind

1019
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 9: of look at everything.

1020
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you get done playing in January and you

1021
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: get basically like two months before you start OTAs and

1022
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 3: things again.

1023
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 2: How long did you take before you how long would

1024
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: I step back?

1025
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: Did you take before you you started it?

1026
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 5: I took about four four weeks off, four to six

1027
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 5: weeks off just getting my mind right, just trying to

1028
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 5: focus on myself, just the mental we said, traveling, doing

1029
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 5: what I needed to do, seeing family, and then by

1030
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 5: that last week of February, week before that, and then

1031
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 5: I'm back at it, right back at it. So I

1032
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 5: try to I try to get a good time to

1033
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 5: you know, set out for my off season to be

1034
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 5: able to plan and accomplish the goals that I really want.

1035
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 3: See, he must be doing something like because you know

1036
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: they can push you at it.

1037
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 5: No, I'm definitely, I'm fine.

1038
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks, I appreciate you.

1039
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: That was Dan Moore Junior with me earlier today, sitting

1040
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: down to talk about that and some interesting stuff there

1041
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: from Dan about how he's trying to reshape his body

1042
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: and things of that nature.

1043
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: Yes, smart guy works hard and getting the most out

1044
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: of his ability, and whether it's here or somewhere else.

1045
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a long time starter.

1046
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, still young, and yeah, it's just not a lot

1047
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: ahead of him. Absolutely, Matt. That's going to do it

1048
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: for our show today. All right. We will be back

1049
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: again tomorrow time, same bat station, back from three to

1050
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: five again tomorrow here on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers

1051
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: Nation Radio for my partner Matt Williamson for Brian Lamartine

1052
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: back on site keeping us on the air. I'm Dale Lelly.

1053
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: We thank you for listening to this edition of the

1054
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.