WEBVTT - Why Is Breastfeeding SO Complicated ft Kristen Bell (Pt. 1) 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:10.520 Hi everybody, and welcome to Katie's Crib. I'm Katie Lowe's 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:12.920 and the title of this podcast says it all. We're 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.240 going to talk about raising a baby who's in his 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.960 crib right here, direct from my crib. So our goal 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:21.400 here is to create a safe and honest, sometimes you know, 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.880 super messy place where you can talk about being a 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:26.840 new parent. This is not a how to guide. We're 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:29.640 not here to offer exact, clear cut solutions of how 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.199 things should be done. This is an open forum of 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.200 opinions that are all valid. We're here to talk it out, 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:39.720 share experiences, and figure it out together. So on this episode, 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:44.680 we're talking about breastfeeding. This is a huge and massive 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.560 and triggering topic that we could spend forever talking about. 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:49.760 In fact, there's so much to talk about that we're 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.000 actually going to split this episode into two parts because, 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.720 like I said, it's just a lot. But here in 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.240 part one, we're going to start at the beginning. We're 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.720 going to talk about making the decision to breastfeed or 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.080 not to breastfeed, and some of the early issues we 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.959 encountered along the way. First up is my girl Kristin Bell, 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.440 who you may know from the Good Place and Veronica 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.600 Mars and bad Moms and what else? What else? What else? 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:15.320 I mean, there's just so many amazing things. Hello, Frozen, Um, 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:18.600 she's here. She's going to share her breastfeeding experiences. And 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.120 then after Kristen, we're going to talk to my dear 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.160 friend Jamie Greenberg. She's a celebrity makeup artist and does 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.560 my makeup on all my red carpet events, and she's 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.440 going to talk about her journey with three kids and 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.480 her choice not to breastfeed. Oh and f y, I guys, 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:38.360 about halfway through our chat with Kristen Bell, the lawnmower 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.240 is super loud, so just enjoy pat would you again? 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:46.840 Welcome to my world Katie's Crib. We got lawnmowers, dogs, barking, 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:58.000 babies crying. It's all happening here. Hi, Christens, thank you 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:01.000 very much for being on Katie's rib, which is what 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.240 we're calling it. I love that because I have a 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.200 baby in a crib currently and we are taping these 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:12.320 podcasts in my crib. Um. So Kristen Bell, you guys, 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.880 is here because she was very helpful to me in 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.040 a time when I was very new to breastfeeding, which 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:22.440 is a very hot topic, very triggering, very I would 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:23.920 say it's the hardest job I've ever had in my 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.639 entire life, other than trying to be a professional actress. 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:33.399 Um So, Kristen Uh we met when I was had 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:35.800 a five week old and breasting was very new, and 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.760 it was so hard I lost a nipple in the process, 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.679 I had a cracked boob, which we will hear more 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.000 about how that all went down with the breast specialist 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.280 that's going to be coming on named Linda Hannah. But 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:52.680 Kristen tell us about was breastfeeding an obvious choice for you? 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:56.880 Was it something that you knew you wanted to do? Um? Yes, 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:00.799 but I don't. I didn't feel like I really thought 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:05.440 much about it. It felt uh, it just felt like 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.640 I don't know. I didn't. I didn't give it much weight, 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:15.720 so I just transition to it into it organically, though 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.560 I did UM. After I was breastfeeding, spend a lot 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:22.400 of time thinking about the struggles women go through when 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:26.400 they can't breastfeed for any reason, and realizing how much 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:31.040 I had wrapped up in it personally and thinking, Wow, 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.880 what would I have thought about if I had to 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.920 do formula? If that was my only option. And this 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.200 is the conclusion I've come to about breastfeeding. It is 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.720 it really, really is one of the hardest things for 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.800 women because you take it personally when you can't do it, 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.560 and it's very, very hard. And I say that having 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:53.000 had very few problems breastfeeding, but it is so important 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.200 to women to be able to do it because you 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.080 want to satisfy your baby. But the conclusion I've come 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.600 to is if you my sister did not want to 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.760 do it. She just didn't want to. She didn't feel 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.360 like having barnacles on her boobs all day. She had 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.800 four kids, so she bound her boobs four kids, and 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.360 she had four kids. She bound her boobs after everyone 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.320 she said, I don't want to do it. And I thought, 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:15.960 by the way, that's how you stop Yeah, that's how 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:17.360 you stop it. You just don't let it come in. 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:19.960 And I was like, my sister, by the way, is 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:24.520 ten times the mother I am. So there's nothing like 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.760 I guess my like my main motto about breastfeeding is like, 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:30.720 there is nothing wrong with if you can't do it, 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.600 or you have to supplement Look, I was supplemented with formula. 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:38.080 I'm perfectly healthy. Everyone was it's all fine. It's all 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.839 fine because there but there are. I was so interested 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:44.280 in the topic UM that I just you know, read 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.200 and read and learned all these crazy things. I also pregnant, 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.400 um no while I was breastfeeding, but I also had UM. 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.920 You know there are. You starting breastfeeding, I think is 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.280 the hardest because you're dealing with cracked nipples, you're dealing 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.320 with the baby latch, you're dealing with inversion, inverted nipples, 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.000 all these things I had. Yeah, it is, and I 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.200 had a lot of friends that had them. But um, 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.039 halfway down the road, when you're knee deep into breastfeeding, 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:11.200 the mastitis, talk to me about mass Titis is a 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:15.680 an infection. It's a blocked milk duct. And when you 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.600 so so look, if your milk doesn't come in, you 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.240 might feel like you suck and you have to go 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:22.800 to formula. Don't beat yourself up. If your milk does 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.480 come in and you have too much milk like I did, 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.880 your ducks can get blocked very easily and you still 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.040 feel like you suck. Because what can happen with mastitis 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.520 is it gets blocked, it starts to get sore. If 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:36.480 you are not so on top of that, you have 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.200 to stand under the shower, you have to put heat 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:39.840 packs on it, you have to open that duct up 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.200 or get that baby to sun painful. It's pretty painful 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.440 in the beginning when it's forming. If it goes to 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:47.440 the second stage and the baby doesn't suck it out, 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.080 it can get infected the third stage after if it 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.200 gets infected, it can go to your blood and it's 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:56.200 like literally hospital you you could die. So you have 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:00.560 to be very serious about messitis. It's dead serious. I 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:05.040 had mess sides three times. Um. I took antibiotics twice, 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.160 and that's another thing. Women. Look, I don't love taking antibiotics. 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.599 I know, I know about superbugs. I watched sixty minutes 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.440 and like, don't want to take antibiotics, willy nilly. But 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.080 I also don't want to die in the hospital because 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:20.479 of breastfeeding. So both times I trust my obie. I 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.720 took antibiotics. The third time it was probably had been 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.560 breastfeeding for I don't know a while. It was on 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.640 my second child, and I knew it was coming. I 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.279 could feel it coming. You can feel it internally or 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.560 you feel like a lump or something. You feel a soreness, 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.520 feels like a bruise inside your boob, and then you 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.320 should be able to feel a little lump. It will 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.040 feel very sore. At that point, you need to start 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.800 doing like those hot pocket things that you know use 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.880 when you're skiing. Put those on in your bra stand 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.479 under the shower, massage it out. Get that baby to 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.599 suck as much as possible. So, I like, breastfeeding is 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.279 so crazy because your baby is so needed to do 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.200 half the job. Yeah. Yeah, and nobody blames the baby, Like, wait, 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.800 it's all my fall because we're not breastfeeding correctly. Maybe 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:07.119 you're not breastfeeding correctly. Maybe you need to latch better, 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.039 like you don't want to blame the baby, but like 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.880 takes two to tango. But the third time I had mastitis, 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:14.640 I knew it was coming. I had been there, done that. 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.960 You'll so you'll feel a bruise, you will feel if 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.000 it gets if the infection is there, you will start 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.440 to get very very cold, and I mean a level 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.840 of cold that you have never felt before. And it 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.080 will be because you have a fever and your fever 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.840 is trying to kill the bacteria. I was the first 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.160 time I had at my my first daughter Lincoln was 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.400 six weeks I. We were at a hotel with our 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:39.400 parents because we were like, let's do a little like 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.680 um yeah, like baby getaway. Parents will meet the baby 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.480 at six weeks whatever. So I'm in bed and I'm like, God, 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.280 I am freezing. I had a pair of gloves on, 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.840 I had two sweaters, Dax's jacket, like three pairs of socks, 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.000 two pairs of sweatpants. I was also under the comforter 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:56.840 and I had like a warm winter hat on. And 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.440 I was never been colder in my life. And that's 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.640 when I got my first set of antibiotics. Sort of 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:04.800 same thing the second time. Third time, I knew it 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.520 was coming and I said to my husband and then 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.440 this is a lot of information, but get ready. I 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.240 said to my husband. I was like, I don't want 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.280 to do antibiotics. If we can get this out. The 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.320 baby is not sucking hard enough. I need you to 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.400 be a team player here. And he was like gross, okay, 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.360 and this is why he's husband of the Year. But he, 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.120 I swear to God, he pulled that out. I made him. 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.280 We laid on the bed together, I made him nurse. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.319 He sits down, nurses and it was a while I mean, 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.080 it was like thirty minutes and he had his jaw 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.120 was sore because he was sucking so hard. Because I 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.080 was like, you gotta suck harder. I was pushing on 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.000 the side of my boob. He was pulling, and he 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.560 this is very gross. He started getting the block out. 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:51.360 He started getting because because it's it's gooey, it's like 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.360 mucus or something. And then he had to get a 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:57.280 cop He was like gagging, which I don't blame him 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.960 of the century, he's spitting it into a cup, but 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.240 I'll be damned, he pulled it out. He pulled it out, 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.520 and I didn't have to take any and so you 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.079 never got sick like you the second the third time, 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:13.160 I never get six No, yeah there, Yeah, it's rough, 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.439 but um, but you know, the the amount of antibiotics 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:21.240 the baby gets is negligible, so it's it's all okay. Um. 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:25.080 Did you schedule your breastfeeding? Were you on demand for 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.000 a certain amount of time and then did you move 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.160 to like a schedule. I started on a schedule, so 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.480 I took when I came home from the hospital. I 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.640 also had advice from a baby nurse that I trusted 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.120 very much um. She talked to me a lot about 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.680 the theory of not losing myself within all this, which 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:44.680 I felt was very important because I am such a 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:46.480 people pleaser. I'm like, well, great, I'm just going to 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:49.120 be a people pleaser to this baby and I'll go crazy. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.760 So she was like, make sure you you sit with 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.080 your husband at night, you have a glass wine, you like, 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.120 connect with him. Make sure your baby needs to eat 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:02.040 every couple hours, but you'll know so rather than being 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.280 on demand and putting the boob in the mouth every 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.520 time they're fussy, which gets them accustomed to that soothing. 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:10.640 She's like, it's kind of like us, Like I may 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.439 want to eat potato chips right now, I don't need 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.800 potato chips, And to be honest, I'd love if someone 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.120 said to me, you don't need a potato go take 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.320 a walk around the block, or let's play a game 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.680 or something. So I did schedule and I was very 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.120 happy with it, but some people prefer. Look at a 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:26.920 lot of people are more on the go and they 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.040 want to I didn't want to be a food truck 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:30.920 at any time. I just wanted to have more of 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.240 a schedule. But some people don't mind it. And I 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.800 really think it is an individual choice. I do too. 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:42.959 Um So, how do you feel about breastfeeding in public? 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.520 I have no problem with it? Here's I mean. I 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:48.680 actually think it's very very funny that people think this 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.840 is such a big deal because there is nothing more 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.400 primitive and beautiful and organic than breastfeeding a baby. And 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:59.400 if you have a problem seeing the corner of my boob, 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:05.640 that's not you. Okay, that's not my problem. You can 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.319 turn your head, you know what I mean, like that, 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.200 that's that's not you. You got to take care of that, 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.160 because the sheets and the whole, I mean, I get it. 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.640 If you're modest, I'm not very modest. Like I don't 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.200 I don't care much. I would breastfeed in front of 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.520 anyone because of this. If I'm in a room full 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:22.600 of people, guess who the most important person in that 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.160 room is my baby if they're hungry, I don't care 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.080 if you see my boob. Like, by the way, my 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:31.440 boobooks gorgeous because it's beautiful and a little better so, 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.160 by the way, half of it was my ego of 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.600 like see this, I have this for a minute, This 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.800 is mine, this great boob. Second of all, if you 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.760 don't like it, you can turn your head. Don't make 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:45.240 that my fault. I mean, I'm I'm just coming to 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.320 terms with this, Like I don't know why I have, 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.520 Like I've been doing it in public everywhere. I think 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.440 a big thing about breastfeeding and making it doable is 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.480 that you have to be able to do it anywhere 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.800 at any time, if if you really want to continue 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:00.400 doing it and make it a part of your life. 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:02.360 Because let's I'm not going to sit in my house 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.040 for a year breastfeeding my kid. I'm going to be 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.400 out at a restaurant. I'm going to be out in public. 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.160 I have errands to run. And it became such a 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.599 freeing thing to me to know, Hey, guess what, you 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:13.200 can take your baby to all these things because your 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.400 boobs come with you and you can eat with you. 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.400 So like, just get used to doing it anywhere any 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.280 time that you need to. Well, I look at as 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.679 my superpower. I wish people looked at it like that, 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.360 like when I look at my C section scar or 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.600 like my saggy boobs. Now, I'm like, these are this, 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.400 these are remnants of the fact that this is evidence 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.360 that I am a superhero. I did something extraordinary. I 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.920 birthed two babies, and so when when I would feel 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.560 very confident to breastfeed anywhere, because like that was that 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.480 was very very powerful and cool to me, and my 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.280 baby is the most important thing in the room, and 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.480 no one else really mattered. I love it. How long 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.840 did you breastfeed for? I breastfed for I breast fed 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:58.960 for like um fifteen months with my first one UM. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:00.439 But I pumped a lot, you know, I went back 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.120 to work, and so I would pump four or five 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.440 times during the day and still come home and give 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:05.920 her the milk. And I had saved up a lot 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.240 of milk. So then she had milk till I was 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:14.480 like eighteen months. Then I got um pregnant. No, I'm sorry. 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.400 I breastfed until a year, and then she had milk 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.800 till I was fifteen months. I got pregnant when she 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.640 was a year, and I was still breastfeeding at night, 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.880 and it became very difficult for me to sustain even 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.440 just taking in the calories that that sustained me, my 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.080 daughter and the baby in my belly. So I it 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:33.880 was a lot. It was like eating for truly for 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.240 three people. So I stopped it is a little bit 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.959 hard to stop breastfeeding because it is slightly painful because 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.560 you will have a letdown, which means this kind of 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.160 feels like your boob is in a microwave, and a 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.000 letdown means the milk is coming in. You can feel it, 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.320 and by the way, it's a really good feeling. It's 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.520 a really really good feeling. But when you have a 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.040 letdown and you're trying to stop breastfeeding, you have to 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.480 ignore that let down and just get to the next one. 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:02.800 So you basically have to deal with the engorgement um 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:06.720 and then kind of just start to to wean the 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.559 amount that the baby is pulling out less and less feedings. Yes, 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.680 less and less feedings. You pull them off the boob 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.200 one or two minutes before they're ready. So you said 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.120 you went back to work, Like, how did you manage breastfeeding? 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.640 So you would pump in the day, come home with 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.200 the bottles, freeze some of them, give some Yeah, I mean, I, 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:24.960 first of all, I'm lucky to have a job where 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.360 I have a voice and a little bit of power. 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.880 So I simply said I have to stop four times 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:33.480 a day to breastfeeds. So you guys are gonna have 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.320 to figure out what to do for those fifteen minutes 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:36.880 and that's just going to be what it is. And 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.880 I'm sorry, but but again, my baby is more important. 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:41.920 Now a lot of people are not in that position, 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.360 but in uh, you know, the dawn of a new 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.120 age where this is finally a respected topic, there are 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.560 a lot of nursing rooms being put and I would 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.200 just you're really all, yeah, really are there at like 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:56.120 airports now they have these little know there's a nursing 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.280 there's like it's it's unbelievable and I never noticed them 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.360 before I was a nurse, same mother obviously, but like 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:06.600 it's incredible. I'm so I'm relieved. I also, I just 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.880 feel I'm getting more. I'm coming more to terms with 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:11.760 like being on a plane and just hand pumping in 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.000 front of you. Yeah, by the way, you got you 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.080 got to. And I just would encourage women to like 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.520 feel confident about that. We don't have to feel we 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.040 are no longer in a place where we need to 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.480 feel ashamed or defensive. So it's kind of like, you know, 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.520 if you're at a job where you can't necessarily like 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.680 wag your finger in your boss's face and say I'm 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.960 stopping to pump, but if you need to. It's like 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.280 if you your blood sugar was low at work, you 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:33.920 would say, I'm so sorry, I need to stop for 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.240 a snack. It would you wouldn't feel ashamed to say that. 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.600 You also wouldn't feel defensive, like you better let me 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.120 have a snack. It's the same with breastfeeding. It's just 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.400 a fact that has to happen. So I'm I'm very sorry, 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.480 I'm gonna need to go breastfeed right now, or I'm 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.960 gonna need to go pump. Um. And I just wish 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:50.800 it were Yeah, I wish it were like a calmer 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:57.240 topic that women didn't feel um insecure about, um, you know, 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.960 discussing their needs. If you are uncomfortable with boobs, which, 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.880 by the way, that's not a problem either. Fine, if 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.440 you're uncomfortable, you can turn your head. You can help 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.160 me with this situation, and you can just turn your 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.440 head because it's not on me to conform to whatever 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:19.160 your taboos about a boo bar. One of the most 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.320 talked about benefits of breastfeeding is a bonding that happens 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:26.320 with your newborn. Do you, um, do you feel like 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:30.400 that's true? Yeah? I think I I, although I don't 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.680 know if it's very conscious because my first one, I 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:38.040 guess I felt more sentimental about the breastfeeding. My second one. 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.800 She was like she was feral when she was born 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:44.520 and she's still and she was like at six months, 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.000 was like, I'm done, I'm too busy, I only want 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.560 the bottle. I'm not interested in your boob. Sorry, not sorry. 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.840 And I tried not to take it personally, but then 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.800 I realized she's an individual. This is the first decision 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.280 she's made as a strong young woman. And I was like, 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.280 I'm gonna work around that. I'm not going to feel 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.200 bad of like what am I doing wrong? She just 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:08.240 doesn't want the boob, That's fine, and so yeah, I 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:09.639 just sort of let her be who she was, and 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.600 I pumped for the next I don't know, ten months 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:13.800 or something. But here's what happened to me. Since I 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.440 had a toddler who's two, and I had a baby 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.040 who was six months who wouldn't nurse. It is if 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.560 you're exclusively pumping, it is hard to keep your supply 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.359 up because the baby does give you a level of 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:28.560 oxytocin that gives you more milk. Yeah, so my toddler 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.080 was still very interested in having milk because she saw 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.679 the baby do it. She knows it's bonding. She loves it. 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.640 She started nursing at night, so when my six month 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.720 old was no longer nursing, my six month old would 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:43.200 get a bottle at night and my toddler would nurse 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.399 from the boob. And it helped me keep my supply 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.720 up because I had a human being giving me the 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.600 hormones I needed, and my toddler loved it. It was 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.240 like a reinvention of our bonding. You know what's really 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.800 weird about breastfeeding, you guys, It's a lot of its mental, 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.160 which Kristen so lovingly taught me when we were first 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.800 hanging out. Now be five weeks old, but there's so 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.680 much about it that is like if you're pumping and 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.520 you're not, you know, producing a ton of milk, which 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:12.240 was my problem in the beginning, there's something about going 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.240 to a mental place and like imagining babies crying that 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.080 near you, or meditating and going to a peaceful place 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.680 because stress is actually one of the number one killers 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.880 of milk, Number one. If you're pumping, it's quite literally 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.520 the only time you have to multitask. It's the only 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.040 if you have like a hands see how many emails 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.640 I can send. But if you look down and you're 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.120 only getting an ounce, You've got to close the computer. 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.080 You got to close the phone, close the computer. No, 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.080 it's you've got to close it and really focus on it. 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.160 It's a little event every time that it happens. Yeah, 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:45.840 that was big for me because I used to do 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.239 so many emails while pumping, and you were like, you 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.680 have to just be like in a room by yourself, 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.159 turn the phone off, really like meditating. It's kind of 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.640 a gift to you from the baby. And also like 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.879 the hesitation about it, and I shouldn't do it in 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.399 front of I don't know people or whatever, like and 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.679 if guys are around, Like in my head, I'm just 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:08.160 like why this is such? This is so asked backwards. 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:11.159 We have the ability to do something that guys do not. 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.840 We are not the ones that should feel ashamed, you know. 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.680 We're the ones that should feel super confident and like, 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.320 I have this very special ability. I'm going to have 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.280 to do it now. Every time I bring Albie to 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.480 the pediatrician and he's like gained a pound. I've never 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.720 felt more proud of something in my entire affing life, 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.480 Like it's crazy, like I'm just like, holy mackerel, this 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:35.440 kid is growing and and I feel just grateful that 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.359 I'm able to breastfeed. I know it's not something that 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.119 comes easy or naturally. We'll get into it, but holy 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:43.600 you guys did not come easy or naturally for me. 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:47.320 It is a struggle. But and and and really, I 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.360 like my personal opinion is like, hang in there if 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.159 you're having problems hanging there through as long as you 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.640