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Speaker 1: at your local outlet in your region. My name is
Speaker 1: Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I
Speaker 1: talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness.
Speaker 1: My guest today is some when I first met thirty
Speaker 1: years ago, Bord. She's very, very talented, and very clever
Speaker 1: and very funny. I always enjoy talking to her and
Speaker 1: I always enjoyed listening to her, and I invite you
Speaker 1: to do that right now. Join my guest today, Lisa. Look, everybody,
Speaker 1: do you know what I'm very happy about Lisa, And
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you this right now. We both
Speaker 1: look exactly the same as we did when we first met.
Speaker 1: Well you do, actually, which is kind of I've kind
Speaker 1: of got a little squiggly around the edges, but you
Speaker 1: look exactly the same. You're still the youthful songstress that
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this. We first met
Speaker 1: when I was doing the Drew Carey Show. Do you
Speaker 1: remember that when you were right?
Speaker 2: And I got to be a guitar player? I mean
Speaker 2: I am one, but I got to play myself. I've
Speaker 2: been seeing that on socials lately. Some of the people
Speaker 2: I forgot were on there, like Slash, Joe.
Speaker 1: Wall was there, Joe Watsh and I became pals after that. Cool.
Speaker 2: I've met him a couple of times, but we didn't
Speaker 2: actually become like friends yet.
Speaker 3: I remember when we met him.
Speaker 2: We met him someplace, my husband and I and I said,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this is so cool. We get to
Speaker 2: meet you, and He's like yeah, right, or he was
Speaker 2: like yeah, We're like, yeah, it is cool to meet you.
Speaker 1: He's very, very fun. Once I was doing a I
Speaker 1: got a job doing a working on it. As a
Speaker 1: long story, but I got a job working doing a
Speaker 1: script with Mick Jagger, and so I had to leave
Speaker 1: the Drew Carey Show and go and be on tour
Speaker 1: with Rolling Stones for a little bit. And everybody was saying, oh,
Speaker 1: say tell Mike. I said Hi, Tell Mike. I said Hi.
Speaker 1: And then Joe was there and he said tell Mike.
Speaker 1: I said Hi, and I went, oh, yeah, you actually
Speaker 1: mean tail make. I said like like, yeah, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: known him for years. That's so cool.
Speaker 2: I didn't know you, did you? What happened with the
Speaker 2: Did anything happen with the Rolling Stones? Mick Jagger thing?
Speaker 1: Meccad the idea for a screenplay, and I had written
Speaker 1: a movie that he liked, so then uh, he go
Speaker 1: he hired me to write this movie and I wrote
Speaker 1: two drafts of it, and then I go fired and
Speaker 1: the movie never goes made. But that happens.
Speaker 3: He's taller than I thought. He's taller than I thought.
Speaker 1: We have told you. I always thought he was Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I know exactly, but but he's taller though, like I've
Speaker 2: met him once and then I also had a sighting
Speaker 2: of him. I met him in the studio once I
Speaker 2: was visiting. Dawn was the producer and uh yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: and he he was like he had been working with
Speaker 2: Mick Jagger a lot, I guess, or he was in
Speaker 2: the studio. So he was like, let's go out there,
Speaker 2: and like we knock on the door. We're like, is
Speaker 2: he in there? And we're our ears to the door,
Speaker 2: although you can't hear anything because it's a really huge studio,
Speaker 2: you know, with like the super doors. But anyway, we're
Speaker 2: trying to listen and he wasn't there. So we opened
Speaker 2: the door and he was in there with what's his
Speaker 2: name from Eurythmics, Dave Stewart who he was working with.
Speaker 2: And I was trying to be cool, so I first
Speaker 2: introduced myself to like the guy working at pro Tools
Speaker 2: on the computer and the other assistant and then like
Speaker 2: the third assistant, and I was just going around the room.
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to prioritize Mick Jagger and Dave Stuart.
Speaker 2: But then I got to make Jagger and he was
Speaker 2: he was what I'm five two, so everybody seems you
Speaker 2: know taller.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: See, this is an interesting lesson and perspective because the
Speaker 1: first time I met Mick Jagger, i met him I
Speaker 1: had to fly to Istambul because they were doing the
Speaker 1: bridges to Babylon too. It oh yeah, And I met
Speaker 1: him there and I was very tired of jet like
Speaker 1: by the time I met him. And he opened it
Speaker 1: a tail room door and he was so riddle that
Speaker 1: I said, oh, you're adorable. And I very much regretted
Speaker 1: saying that right away. But and you said it to
Speaker 1: a thing you said it to Yeah, I said it
Speaker 1: out loud, like like I still done the job.
Speaker 3: What are we thinking?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think sometimes when you meet super
Speaker 1: famous people and they've been super famous since a long since,
Speaker 1: like you were a kid, then it's hard to compute,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you're super fa and
Speaker 1: it's I'm very comfortable talking with you because I've talked
Speaker 1: to you lots of different times over the years. And
Speaker 1: if you meet people who were famous when you were
Speaker 1: a kid, it's a different thing.
Speaker 3: I did that recently. Who did I talk to? And
Speaker 3: I walked up to them and I said, gosh, who
Speaker 3: was it? I have to remember. I said, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: you're so cute. Can I squish your face?
Speaker 1: And it was.
Speaker 3: Somebody like, what am I squishing? Something like squishing their
Speaker 3: face with my hands?
Speaker 1: Who was that? I don't think I'm going to say, Robert,
Speaker 1: but you.
Speaker 3: I also and I can't remember this.
Speaker 2: I can't remember if I met you first, or if
Speaker 2: my parents somehow met you first backstage and one of
Speaker 2: your shows in Dallas. I may have been on your
Speaker 2: show once and then maybe connected you guys, I don't know,
Speaker 2: and then I was on your show again. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't really remember the order, but I do remember
Speaker 1: your parents, because people's parents come and see me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to this day, it's a thing. I was doing a
Speaker 1: meet and greet after a show, like a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and this lady with a very familiar face
Speaker 1: said to me, do you know my my son is
Speaker 1: an actor? And I went, I know it was your
Speaker 1: son's name, and she said Wess and I looked at
Speaker 1: her visit with you're Wes Bentley's mom. She went, yeah,
Speaker 1: have you heard of my son? My son? But she
Speaker 1: was it was very lovely, but she really Wes Bentley
Speaker 1: really looks like it's mom, Oh my god, that's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's so amazing. It's you just you never know who
Speaker 2: you're going to meet. I'm trying to look to see
Speaker 2: on my phone who I met, who I squished their face,
Speaker 2: And I was like, I can't believe that was like
Speaker 2: the first Oh, I know it was.
Speaker 3: It was a music festival. It was this huge music festival.
Speaker 2: And the last minute I was playing there with my
Speaker 2: band like a couple of months ago, and at the
Speaker 2: last minute, they said, oh, hey, do you want to
Speaker 2: co host this cooking segment right before you play with
Speaker 2: this you know TV chef and Jason ahwa is the
Speaker 2: kid from American Pie.
Speaker 1: This kid Jason Isaacs, No I want to say.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you and uh. And I had never met
Speaker 2: him before and I was like, oh, uh, I'm terrible
Speaker 2: with names. That's another really, Oh, Jason Biggs, this guy
Speaker 2: showing you you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do know what you mean. I know Jason Biggs,
Speaker 1: and he would be okay with you. This question is
Speaker 1: faint that guy?
Speaker 3: Yeah he doesn't really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know he did cooking segments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does cooking segments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he had a cooking something something I
Speaker 2: don't know, and I had a cooking show on Food
Speaker 2: Network as well, and it was really fun. It's a
Speaker 2: very fun thing to do to cook on Do you
Speaker 2: still do that?
Speaker 1: Do you still do all the cook and stuff? I do?
Speaker 3: I mean in real life, I do.
Speaker 2: I think I do, although my kids lately they're like, uh,
Speaker 2: chicken tika masala again. I'm like, I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 2: trying hard. I'm a human. I'm not just like a mom.
Speaker 2: I'm a human. I'm trying really hard to make food.
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: So funny to me because I hear you say, you know,
Speaker 1: you talk to your kids and you're a mom. But
Speaker 1: to me, you're like, you know, you're twenty eight years old,
Speaker 1: and I I see you in the Drew Carry Show.
Speaker 1: It's like, I think of my sale. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: forty two and my kids are just little. But that's
Speaker 1: not true any know. My kids have grown up and
Speaker 1: I think I'm an asshole.
Speaker 2: You're the worst person ever, right, Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 2: clavely in Los Angeles. I've definitely felt things shifting, and
Speaker 2: it may be because I'm wearing black sweats a lot,
Speaker 2: just a nice black sweatpants. I always feel like Oprah
Speaker 2: Winfrey at some point said, don't leave your house looking like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what like. You need to be basically
Speaker 2: put together. So I'm put together, like black sweats, sneakers,
Speaker 2: black T shirt, and a lot of salespeople lately when
Speaker 2: I'm with my kids are like, mom, hy mom. They
Speaker 2: call me mom, like at Verizon car Mom, Yeah, mom,
Speaker 2: what do you think of that?
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm the mom. I mean I am.
Speaker 1: You know, once I was standing with one of my
Speaker 1: boys at Galson's. You know, Gelson's right near my house,
Speaker 1: right near your house, right, So where are you at?
Speaker 1: Which one were you in here? Well, at that time
Speaker 1: it was the one just like on the top, like
Speaker 1: the bottom of beach, would that area? Yeah? Right, So
Speaker 1: I'm at the Gelson's and I was standing with my
Speaker 1: oldest son, who at the time I think was about fifteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And we were standing there and I saw this girl
Speaker 1: look at him as she was going by, and then
Speaker 1: she just went by. She looked at him and she
Speaker 1: went by, and I went, oh my god, something just happened.
Speaker 1: Somebody just saw It wasn't a guy with his kid.
Speaker 1: She saw a guy with his dad. It was I
Speaker 1: wasn't the guy anymore. It was like he was the
Speaker 1: guy and I was the appendage. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, that is a shift. But it is, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just there. It happens. It's the natural order of things.
Speaker 1: Well is it your kids now?
Speaker 2: I was just about to ask you that my kids
Speaker 2: are My daughter just turned fifteen, she's in ninth grade,
Speaker 2: and my son is twelve.
Speaker 1: How about you see that's well I'm a little further
Speaker 1: down the line.
Speaker 3: Well maybe I waited a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. Two, I did too, id a long
Speaker 1: time in between. My oldest is twenty three, okay, and
Speaker 1: my youngest is thirteen.
Speaker 3: Oh wow yeah.
Speaker 1: But Scottish people are like, you know, there's big orchids
Speaker 1: in the jungle that just explode every ten years and
Speaker 1: everything around them gets pregnant. That's what Scottish people do.
Speaker 1: They have sex once every ten years. They have to
Speaker 1: go to their home planet like spot and then that's
Speaker 1: how they make So I have My boys are almost
Speaker 1: ten years apart, nine and a half years apart, which
Speaker 1: I think is it works for them. Like my wife
Speaker 1: always says, It's like you have a Kirk and a Spock,
Speaker 1: but you better have the Spock first, because if you
Speaker 1: have the Kirk first, you won't have any other. You
Speaker 1: gotta spoke then Kirk. And that's what we got you.
Speaker 1: They nerd to your wife's nerd.
Speaker 2: She's like to talk about, okaying, we have Star Wars
Speaker 2: wallpaper in our bathroom. That's a different star show.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've got two very unique, different kids. Although when they
Speaker 2: were younger, my son was on the taller side and
Speaker 2: people used to think they were twins, but not. And
Speaker 2: now my daughter is taller than I am, and my
Speaker 2: son just yesterday stood next to me and he's a
Speaker 2: tiny bit taller than I am. I think I knew
Speaker 2: at some point I was going to be looking up
Speaker 2: at them and pointing my finger saying it's time for bed.
Speaker 1: You get to bed.
Speaker 2: You have to behave yourself and don't smoke cigarette. And
Speaker 2: now my parents used to say make sure. My mom
Speaker 2: would say make sure you come home at eleven, but
Speaker 2: be real quiet because we're going to be asleep. I
Speaker 2: was like, mm, yeah, I'll be home at eleven, Yeah, I'll.
Speaker 1: Be I was. I came in at eleven. But you
Speaker 1: guys were asleep.
Speaker 3: You are sleeping, so you didn't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you are a wild kid. You are not wild.
Speaker 3: When I was not a wild I was.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was a very studious kid. I was a kid
Speaker 2: who had a million different things that I love to do.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was a dancer and an actor and a had
Speaker 2: I was a DJ on the radio, and I would
Speaker 2: I DJ parties. I'm carry in all these big creates
Speaker 2: of records. I did a lot of extracurriculars, acting in
Speaker 2: musical theater and theater and music. But I did I
Speaker 2: did you spain though? That was when DJ's put records
Speaker 2: on and then gave O private. It was like a
Speaker 2: soft cup but in the eighties, and like I'd play
Speaker 2: like a deep cut from Duran Duran, and we'd played
Speaker 2: like the Chauffeur instead of just Hungry like the Wolf,
Speaker 2: which we danced to with the dance troupe at the
Speaker 2: boys school. And I was right in the front row
Speaker 2: and my friends who were in bands with me were
Speaker 2: right in the front row at this boys school where
Speaker 2: we were dancing with our dance troupe from the girls'
Speaker 2: school to Hungry like the wolf wearing leotards and tatters
Speaker 2: and rags, and I thought, you know what, I can't
Speaker 2: be in the dance troup anymore doing these sexy dances
Speaker 2: at the boys' school.
Speaker 3: This is not I can't do this.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a recipe for disaster. It was just
Speaker 1: not girls from the girls school dance from the boys
Speaker 1: of the boys school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just it was I had to stop.
Speaker 2: I just had to focus on writing music and getting
Speaker 2: out of there. But I also, you know, I went
Speaker 2: to Spain one summer between what was it sophomore and
Speaker 2: junior year. I lived in Quenca. It was a little
Speaker 2: town called Quenca, a few hours outside of Madrid, and
Speaker 2: it had a famous museums called.
Speaker 3: Lassas call Godas, and.
Speaker 2: We lived with families and we legally drank beer and
Speaker 2: rode on the back of motorcycles, little scooters and motorcycles, and.
Speaker 3: It was so European. I was so European.
Speaker 2: So when I came back from Spain, I was way
Speaker 2: more European than I had been before I left for Spain.
Speaker 2: And my friends and I love to go see bands
Speaker 2: play and we would sneak out, and you know, I
Speaker 2: wasn't I wasn't getting caught. I wasn't terrible, but I
Speaker 2: wasn't getting caught either.
Speaker 1: Well, you grew up in Dallas, the right in Dallas,
Speaker 1: and do you see some pretty big acts coming through there?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you were a kid.
Speaker 3: We saw everybody.
Speaker 1: We saw it.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know why, I keep thinking. I was
Speaker 2: thinking dire Straights. You know, the police goes to the
Speaker 2: machine tour we saw. I remember seeing Grace Jones at
Speaker 2: this place called the Start Club, and I also remember
Speaker 2: that might have been after high school.
Speaker 3: And then I remember seeing what's the band name used
Speaker 3: in me?
Speaker 2: Right round baby, right at the same place. You had
Speaker 2: to go see them at the Start Club, this club
Speaker 2: that we probably shouldn't have been in. We were probably underage,
Speaker 2: but we would sneak in. And it was the first
Speaker 2: time I was like, wait, there's no band. He's singing
Speaker 2: with the microphone and I can hear the music, but
Speaker 2: there's no musicians. And I realized that that is a track.
Speaker 2: He's singing to a track. But that was fun. But
Speaker 2: I saw so many bands play. Oh my gosh, it
Speaker 2: was amazing. I loved it.
Speaker 1: I did the low of that too. I saw everybody. Man,
Speaker 1: I saw a boy in the Little Tour. I saw Queen,
Speaker 1: I saw the four oh before before What Before a
Speaker 1: Night in the All Price. I saw them on the
Speaker 1: Sheer Heart type. I was like a young guy, I'm
Speaker 1: sixty two years old.
Speaker 2: I'm like a hard I'm close years old, that's so close.
Speaker 2: I was at Live Aid in London. I happened to
Speaker 2: be studying acting that summer in London at the National
Speaker 2: Youth Theater of Great Britain, making an American musical. I
Speaker 2: don't know why they had his doing an American musical,
Speaker 2: but anyway, I said, you know, there's this big show
Speaker 2: coming through called Live Aid.
Speaker 3: And I got a couple of friends with me to
Speaker 3: go on the tube.
Speaker 2: I'm so British now and to go to get We
Speaker 2: bought tickets and we went and we saw, we were there.
Speaker 3: We saw all of everybody, Bowie.
Speaker 2: And Thomas Dolby playing with Bowie, which not Thomas Dolby. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Thomas Dolby played with Bowie on that show. Which I
Speaker 2: saw was that she blinded me with science. That was
Speaker 2: right flat Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: Wait, who else did you see? Who else did you see?
Speaker 1: I saw the Pistols, I saw the.
Speaker 5: Stranglers, so the damn the so the I mean like
Speaker 5: some yeah, I saw that's amazing with Lamy.
Speaker 1: Oh me, yeah, I saw Hope when with Lamy when
Speaker 1: I I think I was my first concert actually when
Speaker 1: I was thirteen. I saw Hope when when they were
Speaker 1: playing cellver Machine and they used to have a dancer
Speaker 1: called Stasia who is a lady who would dance with
Speaker 1: her and she would take her tollpof And we were
Speaker 1: thirteen year old boys and we would see Stacia dancing
Speaker 1: with her tollpoff.
Speaker 2: It was you loved music, you loved going to see music.
Speaker 2: I loved music like old boys of that age. I
Speaker 2: loved Stasia as well. She was I don't think that's
Speaker 2: allowed now. I think that would be frowned upon and modern. Well,
Speaker 2: it depends on who's doing it. So who's doing it,
Speaker 2: It depends on who. It depends on who decides to
Speaker 2: do it. You know, if the artist decides it may
Speaker 2: be different. I want to go see Billie Eilish yet
Speaker 2: last night with my daughter. Oh yeah, yeah, it was amazing.
Speaker 2: It was amazing. Actually I've never seen and I saw,
Speaker 2: you know, not to necessarily compare them, but they're two
Speaker 2: big arena shows. I saw Taylor Swift a few, you
Speaker 2: know in this last Eras tour, which was amazing and beautiful,
Speaker 2: and I saw I've seen Pink and it's amazing. But
Speaker 2: the lighting it was so unique. I've never seen anything
Speaker 2: like that. It's very intense. But she kept her clothes on,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, if she had decided not to, it probably
Speaker 2: also would have been okay.
Speaker 1: But she would have had to decide. I think that's good. Well,
Speaker 1: I think I don't know who who was deciding for anything.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people when I saw Halt
Speaker 1: when when I was thirteen, I wasn't but I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people were on very powerful narcotics at
Speaker 1: that point in their lives, and their decision making process
Speaker 1: may have been impaired. The drugs were deciding, the drugs
Speaker 1: were decided. It's funny that it's a real I mean,
Speaker 1: quite seriously, though, it's a trap for young musicians, or
Speaker 1: used to be. It seems to be that young musicians
Speaker 1: now are a little more ambitious and work focused, career
Speaker 1: focused than they used to be. Is that true? Do
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 2: I think in some ways I think they are, and
Speaker 2: I think they understand this concept that they're going to
Speaker 2: have many jobs.
Speaker 1: It used to be.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was the same with you, you know,
Speaker 2: being in entertainment and comedy and acting and writing. You
Speaker 2: didn't want to say, like, oh, and I'm also I
Speaker 2: wor at this store, or I also created this idea,
Speaker 2: or I also teach or you know. Now kids do
Speaker 2: a lot of different things, Like they might be teaching
Speaker 2: and then they're in their band, or they might have
Speaker 2: a real job and then they also have an entertainment job,
Speaker 2: and it's not taboo. But I think back in those days,
Speaker 2: you wanted to do one thing, or you weren't serious.
Speaker 1: You know, you were a diletant, that's right, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: were a tourist if you were fully committed to it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it seems such a funny thing
Speaker 1: because I came up being, you know, I was a drummer,
Speaker 1: so I always kind of thought that was going to
Speaker 1: be my life. I would just be in bands my
Speaker 1: whole life, and then I would probably die when I
Speaker 1: was twenty five, which I think if I stayed drumming
Speaker 1: that that's possibly.
Speaker 3: But wait, what kind of music were you playing?
Speaker 1: I was playing punk rock, music, okay, which was that genre.
Speaker 3: I've heard of that genre.
Speaker 1: It's a genre that was popular amongst the young folks
Speaker 1: when I was young, and it was very forgiving of
Speaker 1: the lifestyle I had at the time, so it fit
Speaker 1: right into my leisure activities to be amongst punk rock artists.
Speaker 1: It worked really well for me. But I don't think
Speaker 1: it has any real longevity about it, as I don't
Speaker 1: know if there are even punk rock bands around.
Speaker 2: But now they're like, yeah, the guys that I know
Speaker 2: who are in more of the kind of punky bands,
Speaker 2: it's more of a sound than a lifestyle. It's you know,
Speaker 2: it's more like the emotion and the sound. And some
Speaker 2: of the guys I know who are in the more
Speaker 2: punk bands, they are straight edge. They call it straight edge.
Speaker 2: You know, they're super sober, very pro sober. I am
Speaker 2: not straight edge. I just don't drink very much. I
Speaker 2: never get around to it, and I just am too busy.
Speaker 2: Every once in a while, I keep trying to drink
Speaker 2: champagne more and then I'm really tired the next day
Speaker 2: because I had champagne.
Speaker 1: And so that's fabulous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like it's not that's all my
Speaker 2: friends and I used to make up. When the new
Speaker 2: year came around, we tried to make some kind of
Speaker 2: a promise based on a rhyme with the number like
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. Well it wasn't a rhyme, but I
Speaker 2: was like, in twenty twenty, I'm going to see people
Speaker 2: in person because like vision like twenty twenty. And then
Speaker 2: that was the year of the COVID, so like starting
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four. I remember my friend Amy and
Speaker 2: I said more in ninety four, which was like more drinking,
Speaker 2: and we just never got back around to it yet.
Speaker 2: That was the thirty years ago, twenty four. I tried
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Well five, let me drink until I'm not alive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well then that might be too much.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of words and I don't want to do.
Speaker 1: But I remember once I bumped you in. I think
Speaker 1: it might have been even in Dallas airport, maybe Danver
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, if you were Denver maybe because maybe
Speaker 2: those great stores like Fudge.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of Denver like this. They've got a really
Speaker 2: good airport with like bookstores and Fudge. I feel like
Speaker 2: last time I've been there. The last couple of times,
Speaker 2: they've been doing construction. But maybe that's the Atlanta or Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Was it Atlanta where you can get second Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember because you were walking through looking very romantic
Speaker 1: and clever, and your guitar was strapped to your back,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, look at that girls.
Speaker 1: She's so great. She kind of like just lives her
Speaker 1: fucking life, man. And I was so impressed by how
Speaker 1: you were just like traveling from one place and going
Speaker 1: to another place and living the vagabond life and playing music.
Speaker 1: I was very jealous. I'm very impressed at the same
Speaker 1: time because I think by then, you're.
Speaker 3: On your book tour. That's right, you're on your book tour.
Speaker 1: That's right. I was selling. I was selling a book,
Speaker 1: which you know, you got to write books. That's a thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's hard to write books.
Speaker 2: I just read it, but it's not a long it's
Speaker 2: a children's book, but I'm waiting to hear back from
Speaker 2: a publisher.
Speaker 1: You go into that a little bit with the music
Speaker 1: as well, though, haven't you been doing like the recent
Speaker 1: thing with.
Speaker 2: Fin for twenty years or more? I have been making
Speaker 2: children's music. I can't believe it. I know somebody said
Speaker 2: she just got into children's music. It was in some
Speaker 2: Billboard thing, and I was like, well, it was cool
Speaker 2: to be in the company of John Legend who just
Speaker 2: made a children's record, a really beautiful children a great
Speaker 2: children's record. But I was like, I think I've been
Speaker 2: doing this for twenty years now. Let me see you.
Speaker 1: Never doing it before you had your own kids.
Speaker 2: Oh way before. I didn't even know about kids. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I wasn't really, it was, oh my gosh, twenty one
Speaker 2: years ago. I put out that record, the first kids record.
Speaker 2: I was asked by Barnes and Noble. It was like
Speaker 2: a cool opportunity, like a neat business thing. They said, well,
Speaker 2: you do a record that's different from your regular records,
Speaker 2: and we'll sell it exclusively at Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 3: And I thought that was great.
Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to sell things and how people
Speaker 2: know about them, and I thought that was great.
Speaker 1: I love books, bookstores.
Speaker 3: And so I made they.
Speaker 2: We ended up deciding to make a children's record as
Speaker 2: my thing that was different, And really it was because
Speaker 2: I'm a nostalgic person and I liked my childhood and
Speaker 2: I wanted to sort of live inside that world and
Speaker 2: make music like the kind of things we listened to,
Speaker 2: or I listened to when I was little. There was
Speaker 2: a lot of music that sounded like seventies soft pop
Speaker 2: and summer camp songs and grown up songs that you
Speaker 2: couldn't tell if they were for grown ups or kids,
Speaker 2: you know, like the like I'd watch this TV show
Speaker 2: Fernwood Tonight, or the Sonny and Share Show, things that
Speaker 2: were like funny and whimsical and.
Speaker 3: Weird, and the old Sesame Street.
Speaker 2: I wanted to make stuff like that, So I started
Speaker 2: making kids records, and I had Kids Day.
Speaker 1: A really great version of Big Rock Candy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my friend Liz, just like that was my
Speaker 2: first kids record. So my friend Liz I was produced
Speaker 2: the record. Elizabeth Mitchell. She was my freshman roommate. We
Speaker 2: had a band together for six years in college, like
Speaker 2: a regular band. We had a band in college and beyond,
Speaker 2: and then we went our separate directions and she was
Speaker 2: in a she is in it like an indie rock band.
Speaker 2: Her husband was in a punk band. And she also
Speaker 2: made kids music, very well known kids music, and she's
Speaker 2: so good at it. And I asked if she would
Speaker 2: make this record with me. So we made that first
Speaker 2: record together and she she you know, we did it
Speaker 2: at their studio, and she's so good at making songs
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: So that was the first kids record. But I had
Speaker 3: no that's a that's a weird.
Speaker 1: Song, Big Rock Candy Moon, because I always think that's
Speaker 1: laced with such terrible sadness and weirdness about it, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's like a hubu kind of you know, hopeful
Speaker 1: song about it. It's going to be all right, don't worry,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: It's somebody's dog is going to die. Yeah, the fire
Speaker 2: will go out. But it's so sad. I love that.
Speaker 2: That that really longing sad, you know. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 2: dream and the sky like right before the person dies.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you ever been to Scandinavia? Yes? Have you
Speaker 1: been to Stockholm?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: I have? Have you been to the Children's Museum in Stockholm?
Speaker 3: No, I have to go back.
Speaker 2: I went to go see The Titanic, the movie, and
Speaker 2: I came out I hadn't seen it. I saw it
Speaker 2: like two years after it came out in Stockholm. And
Speaker 2: we came out at like eleven at night and it
Speaker 2: was still light up still light.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wait, the children and Stockholm is one of the
Speaker 1: saddest places I have ever been in my life. It
Speaker 1: is so so traumatizing. Why they have a children's story
Speaker 1: in Sweden. I don't even want to talk about how
Speaker 1: sad it is, but it's basically about a couple of
Speaker 1: brothers who starved to death and how it's dreadful. But
Speaker 1: they're very fond of it in Sweden. And they've got
Speaker 1: a little train that takes you around all the puppets
Speaker 1: as I was going to all those puppets and little things,
Speaker 1: and then you go around and then at the end
Speaker 1: of everybody's dead. You're like, what hell is people? And
Speaker 1: then you talk to Swedish people like, oh, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: very beautiful museum, Like what's wrong with your people? He's dead?
Speaker 1: They're like, yes, it's odd, but you know, this is live.
Speaker 2: I think about Sweden a lot because that was the
Speaker 2: first place I was. We stated at a hotel called
Speaker 2: the Leidmar Hotel a couple of times and it was
Speaker 2: very it was very Scandinavian.
Speaker 3: It was like, you know, being at Ikia. They do
Speaker 3: that like a long time ago.
Speaker 2: And I remember I was like, you know what I
Speaker 2: like they had the king sized bed but with two
Speaker 2: separate coverless, two separate comforters, so you can have your
Speaker 2: own covers, you own.
Speaker 3: Space, and a king sized bed.
Speaker 1: I love that. I think that's because they are nude.
Speaker 1: Law Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe the snow like they go on the snow nude
Speaker 2: and then they do long distance that skiing. They were
Speaker 2: going to take me cross country skiing. They promised me
Speaker 2: blueberry soup. I never got it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, probably for the best. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what the people died of in the museum. They
Speaker 1: died of blueberry soup poisoning. But they have marvelous thighs
Speaker 1: because of their because of the cross country skating. And
Speaker 1: I felt short. I was short. I was.
Speaker 2: All the women now that I knew, were very tall,
Speaker 2: and the men were shorter. Yeah that is true over that,
Speaker 2: but handsome, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, short handsome men who you know, if they make
Speaker 1: it through childhood, lived a rifle d age.
Speaker 3: With nice thies. Yeah, beautiful thighs.
Speaker 2: I heard that on the Today Show. It's all about
Speaker 2: the thigh meat. That's what they said on the Today
Speaker 2: Show one summer. But the shorts were getting shorter for
Speaker 2: men then, and the guy. The stylist was like, it's
Speaker 2: all about the thigh meat this year. I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that a person would say.
Speaker 3: I know, it's awesome, unlike the Today Show it was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I feel like that's an unusual
Speaker 1: choice of words to describe a human's legs. But well,
Speaker 1: you know what, thy me is fine. I work on
Speaker 1: my own fi me. But did you when you had
Speaker 1: your on kids so, did it changed the kid's music
Speaker 1: for you? Did? Because yes, you know, yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: it much. It changed a lot. It changed so much.
Speaker 2: Because I started off writing, I made a few a
Speaker 2: handful of records. I made the record with Liz, which
Speaker 2: had a lot of songs like Big Rock, Candy Mountain,
Speaker 2: and some original songs. And then I wasn't sure if
Speaker 2: I was making more kids music, but I just I
Speaker 2: was getting a lot of people asking me, what's your
Speaker 2: next kids record? And I made a summer camp songs
Speaker 2: record called Camp Lisa, which also inspired a kid's musical
Speaker 2: an off Broadway show. And I loved Summer Camp and
Speaker 2: we wrote all these songs, like the Disappointing Pancake that
Speaker 2: was inspired by on top of spaghetti like a long
Speaker 2: inanimate food object, adventure song, all these songs and I
Speaker 2: love them so much, and they had all these words.
Speaker 2: And then I made songs for moving and Shaken, which
Speaker 2: was also a book, and Silly Songs, which was also
Speaker 2: a book. And then I actually had kids who were
Speaker 2: old enough to talk, and they and I started playing
Speaker 2: more kids concerts, and it turned out kids don't really
Speaker 2: want to hear a lot of songs with a lot
Speaker 2: of words that they don't know. I was filling in
Speaker 2: the set with songs like the ABC's and Twinkle Twinkle,
Speaker 2: Little Star, and they were like grown ups. They were
Speaker 2: kind of like, finally something I know, Like finally something
Speaker 2: I can listen to and sing along to, Like all
Speaker 2: those other songs you're playing, they're just kidding. So I
Speaker 2: made like alphabet like I started making nursery rhymes and
Speaker 2: alphabet songs and things like that the kids actually wanted
Speaker 2: to hear.
Speaker 3: And then I decided to do it.
Speaker 1: I got to that with my kids when they might
Speaker 1: be giants, that those kids album Super Cool, which were Yeah,
Speaker 1: my kids listened to your stuff, and they listened to
Speaker 1: them they might be giants because I wouldn't let them
Speaker 1: listen to like regular really yeah.
Speaker 2: Clankety plunk, Yeah, you listen to the real music's yeah,
Speaker 2: unless it's on, unless it's like hilariously on purpose. But yeah,
Speaker 2: my kids listened to you know, they loved. My son
Speaker 2: would cry. It's either my son or my daughter would
Speaker 2: cry if I didn't play them September by Earth Wind
Speaker 2: and Fire if I changed the station now like put
Speaker 2: it back on. You know, they wanted to hear real.
Speaker 1: My youngest was like that about Atmospheres by Joy Division,
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're like, really okay.
Speaker 7: And also, if you could turn back time to the
Speaker 7: good dog Chase, who's that? When mom must say it's
Speaker 7: they loved uh?
Speaker 2: And food Fighters and uh, you know all right, I
Speaker 2: thought you were saying, if I could turn back.
Speaker 3: I'm listening to shares autobiography right now.
Speaker 1: It's so good. Which did she read her autobiography?
Speaker 2: She does the entrances. I'm not going to read this.
Speaker 2: I've got she she had dyslexia. She said, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to I can't do a Share voice. But she
Speaker 2: said she wasn't going to read it. And she has
Speaker 2: other people. And then I'm a little confused because one
Speaker 2: of the people who's reading it has a very slow
Speaker 2: reading of her book, so I speed it up because
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't wait for the pauses. And the
Speaker 2: other person is either Share or what I thought it
Speaker 2: was was the woman who played Share in the movie
Speaker 2: who sounds like Share. Remember there was like a Share
Speaker 2: biopic at some point a long time ago, and this
Speaker 2: woman sounds like Share or it is Sharon.
Speaker 3: I was confused. I thought Cher said she wasn't going
Speaker 3: to read it herself.
Speaker 1: Well, you know that's the thing about Share though. She
Speaker 1: I mean, she's Ziggs when we zag. She may have
Speaker 1: said I'm not going to read it, She's going to
Speaker 1: read it, but she shared she can do what she wants.
Speaker 1: You ever met Sha, I have, and I cried.
Speaker 2: I met both two of my childhood, childhood people that
Speaker 2: I loved so much, my childhood music heroes. I met
Speaker 2: Cher and Olivia Newton John the same day at a
Speaker 2: music festival, and I just the teer, I like, I
Speaker 2: have a tear in my I was I.
Speaker 3: Can't believe it. I couldn't believe it. Share was so cool.
Speaker 2: She had such crazy outfits, and she did a cover
Speaker 2: of Jimmy Hendricks Heye Joe and her outfits. When I
Speaker 2: was a kid, we dressed our barbies up as Sunny
Speaker 2: and Share, especially Share and Alton John.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because these Have.
Speaker 3: You met her before?
Speaker 1: Have you spoken to her to share? Yeah? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: met Scher once years and years ago. I was doing
Speaker 1: this dumb music show in the UK and I was
Speaker 1: hosting it, and for some reason, she agreed to do
Speaker 1: this little sit down interview thing. I could barely speak
Speaker 1: because you know, I'd never this before. I did Late Night.
Speaker 1: I mean, but the thing I did Late Night, I
Speaker 1: was so jaded. Not may everybody, it didn't matter, but
Speaker 1: this was I was like, I think it was like
Speaker 1: twenty seven or something, and I met Sher and she
Speaker 1: was she was very very kind. That's the only thing
Speaker 1: I remember that she was like. She was helpful, and
Speaker 1: I think I think it was because I so non
Speaker 1: threatening of an individual. She was very kind and very
Speaker 1: patient and helped the interview happen. But I don't know
Speaker 1: where that interview is now or where it was, but
Speaker 1: she was I just remember being really lovely and gracious.
Speaker 2: What was that like though, in the nineties, Like that
Speaker 2: was in the nineties, right or late eighties, nineties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it would be early nineties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the nineties, I felt like there was a
Speaker 2: lot of coolness from the journalists and the TV people,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to be cool like cool music people. True,
Speaker 2: So how did that feel from your end being an
Speaker 2: interviewer back then? Like I feel like when you were
Speaker 2: a late night talk show host, you have a sense
Speaker 2: of humor and you can kind of nudge people and
Speaker 2: because you have a funny and you can joke around
Speaker 2: with them and give them a hard time, but it's kind.
Speaker 2: You know, it's kind. You're doing it to be kind
Speaker 2: and funny. But back then, when you're interviewing at people
Speaker 2: and you're a music person, we're trying to be cool.
Speaker 2: Like how did that work? Especially when you meet somebody
Speaker 2: that you're a fan of, like trying to be cool
Speaker 2: but also doing your job but also trying not to
Speaker 2: be too into anything because you're.
Speaker 3: Cool, Like, how did that feel?
Speaker 1: It's a youth thing. It's funny. I talked to you know,
Speaker 1: the film critic Ao Scott at New York Times, So
Speaker 1: I've talked to him about that because he used to
Speaker 1: say when he was young, if he saw a bad
Speaker 1: movie when he was young, he would take it as
Speaker 1: a personal affront, like he would get so angry if
Speaker 1: he saw a bad movie and he looks back on
Speaker 1: it now and think, hell was wrong with me. And
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit like that about my attitude
Speaker 1: back then when I was when I was younger, that
Speaker 1: I thought I was so I don't know, important, or
Speaker 1: or I was very It's not that I was aggressive
Speaker 1: with anyone, because I wasn't. But I think I thought
Speaker 1: I was cooler than everybody else. And now I think
Speaker 1: by the time you get to about mid thirties, you
Speaker 1: realize you're nowhere near as cool as many of the
Speaker 1: people you talk And then when you but the time
Speaker 1: you have your own children, do you really cool at all?
Speaker 2: And then after that you're just like, Oh, you don't care.
Speaker 3: You just don't. It's not it's not a concern, it's
Speaker 3: not on your mind.
Speaker 1: It really isn't. It kind of becomes something else. I
Speaker 1: think it becomes about I have a very good friend
Speaker 1: who has a similar art and a similar job to you.
Speaker 1: Do you know Katie Tonstall? Oh? Yeah, she's great, right.
Speaker 1: So Katie and I have very good friends. And I
Speaker 1: watched Katie sometimes play, and I just love to watch
Speaker 1: her play. I just love to watch her like, yeah,
Speaker 1: lose herself in the thing. And I feel the same
Speaker 1: way about actors that I enjoy, or actors and musicians
Speaker 1: or even or comedians or painters. Even if you look
Speaker 1: at a painting and you can kind of forget about
Speaker 1: who's doing it and just enjoy what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's fabulous. I think that the art becomes
Speaker 1: more important than the art to me as I get older.
Speaker 1: It's like just the actual the sensation of it, particularly
Speaker 1: now as well if it's live. Oh yeah, I'm very
Speaker 1: analogue friendly now, I don't. I keep saying that my
Speaker 1: kids put the phone down. Put the phone down. Put
Speaker 1: the phone down, because let's allow your memory to remember
Speaker 1: it rather than the phone. Yeah, you know, why would
Speaker 1: you trust your the phone will remember it properly? But
Speaker 1: that's not the best way to remember things. Sometimes maybe
Speaker 1: it's better to remember them through the haze of you know,
Speaker 1: something else, like actually human memory, yeah, rather than I
Speaker 1: need a little bit of both though, because like I've
Speaker 1: been recently going through all my old photo albums and
Speaker 1: finally starting to have them digitized, you know, so that
Speaker 1: I can easily also now because with social media and
Speaker 1: connecting with fans.
Speaker 3: It's a fun and.
Speaker 2: Easy way to to you know, have things to talk
Speaker 2: about and share memories. It's fun to say like, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, I m to share look at this picture.
Speaker 2: This is so cool. But but at this and like
Speaker 2: last night at the at the Billie Eilish concert, it
Speaker 2: was it was stunning visually, it was stunning, and also
Speaker 2: her voice and the music even they had so much
Speaker 2: bass and some of the songs you could feel your
Speaker 2: body rattling in this in this big arena, you know,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people have their phones out to
Speaker 2: try to capture the pictures and uh on money, and
Speaker 2: I wanted to capture it. Back then, I was like
Speaker 2: why I did exactly what you said. I just sat
Speaker 2: and I just took it in but here. But finally,
Speaker 2: at one point I did take a picture because it
Speaker 2: was sweet. It was she brought her brother Phineas up
Speaker 2: for a couple of songs and it was just so sweet,
Speaker 2: like the two siblings and the mom I know was
Speaker 2: sitting across the arena and I was like, this is
Speaker 2: so sweet. I want to remember at all that I
Speaker 2: was there, because I will go through my phone and
Speaker 2: find photos.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my gosh, that's right, that happened.
Speaker 1: But you're right.
Speaker 2: Also, I spend the majority of my time either stressed
Speaker 2: about my kids being on devices or I get there's
Speaker 2: a million things that are interesting on the phone. But
Speaker 2: also I'm like, I am, I'm letting their brains rot,
Speaker 2: Like I'm not what's going on. They need to sit
Speaker 2: and they think this is stand in line and look
Speaker 2: at the post office for a while, or you know,
Speaker 2: one of those things.
Speaker 1: It's funny though, I mean, I think one of the
Speaker 1: weird things about being the parent of children that are
Speaker 1: getting order is you start to worry about someone else's
Speaker 1: use of phones, or someone else's drug and take or
Speaker 1: someone else's alcohol youth. It's like, I've worried about my own,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of adult behavior since since I was
Speaker 1: a kid. But now you have to worry about you know,
Speaker 1: you know, everything has phantdoel in it. Ohll that's really scary.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't remember when you were a kid.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing that's strange is like seeing, you know,
Speaker 2: my daughter get to an age that I remember I
Speaker 2: was a person when I was fourteen fifteen, I was
Speaker 2: a person and I'm still really good friends with my
Speaker 2: friends from that age group, Like, we're still really really
Speaker 2: good friends. So if I don't remember something, my friend
Speaker 2: will tell me, like we still remember conversations we had
Speaker 2: when we were fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. It's do you remember
Speaker 2: yourself when you were that age, Like, do you remember
Speaker 2: being I do?
Speaker 1: I do. I mean, I don't remember it very fondly.
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't the happiest time in
Speaker 1: my life. My early adult life was not something I
Speaker 1: look back on with the particular.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I read your book. I read your book. Yeah
Speaker 2: you did, Yeah I did. Now that i'm thinking about it,
Speaker 2: I did read it, of course I did.
Speaker 1: I'm going to read it again.
Speaker 2: Did you read it? Can I get it on autio?
Speaker 2: I did read it, and you tell me it again?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did you read your book?
Speaker 3: My book?
Speaker 2: My book is not out yet. I've got two books
Speaker 2: that are just read it. It's short, hopefully it'll be out,
Speaker 2: and I don't even know if it'll be. It's a
Speaker 2: kid's book, so it'll be short.
Speaker 1: But well, well you write, I know it's a biography.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about it at some point, but I'm
Speaker 2: so private. I don't, you know, one of myself. I've
Speaker 2: got siblings, they don't I don't need to tell their stories.
Speaker 2: But at one point I was thinking of telling a
Speaker 2: story through food and eating and food.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: So that's a pretty nice That's a nice way of
Speaker 1: doing it because people connect in November. Things like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a good way. Like if I was doing the autobiography now,
Speaker 1: I look back on it. Weirdly enough, I kind of
Speaker 1: looked at it fairly recently, the one I wrote when
Speaker 1: we met on the Bookdore, which is about ten years ago,
Speaker 1: so I'm saying more. And I looked at it recently.
Speaker 1: Someone that i'd brought it to a show for me
Speaker 1: signed and I kind of looked at a couple of
Speaker 1: pages and I was like, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: would put it like that now. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I would be quite so unguarded about that now, because
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like information you have to
Speaker 1: be more careful about it now. You don't feel it
Speaker 1: can be you know, I don't know. I just don't,
Speaker 1: especially about other people. I would talk about other people
Speaker 1: as much. I think that's unfair, you know.
Speaker 2: I know I wanted to do a TV show or
Speaker 2: even well, I guess it would be perfect for a
Speaker 2: YouTube thing. I had the idea before YouTube was really
Speaker 2: a thing. But I meet so many really interesting musicians
Speaker 2: who are in other people's bands, you know, who play
Speaker 2: in these amazing bands, and I thought it'd be so
Speaker 2: cool to have these guys, you know, talk to them
Speaker 2: and talk to them about their experiences and just they
Speaker 2: have crazy stories. But then I was like, but they're
Speaker 2: not exactly their stories to tell, you know, But I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know how that works. Like I
Speaker 2: was reading Barbara Streisand's book I had. I was listening
Speaker 2: to it. I've listened to about, I don't know, fifteen
Speaker 2: hours of it. It's like a forty hour book, right,
Speaker 2: And then I realized she was going so in depth
Speaker 2: on all the movies that she directed or that she
Speaker 2: had been a part of, and I realized I needed
Speaker 2: to go back and watch some of those movies. If
Speaker 2: she's going to go, you know, go that in depth.
Speaker 2: I want to be able to know what she's talking
Speaker 2: about and also not have a spoiler. But anyway, she
Speaker 2: talks about people, a lot of people, and you know,
Speaker 2: she's like completely honest. Also, Henry Winkler, I just read
Speaker 2: his autobiography.
Speaker 1: Oh he's the greatest, and I listened to him.
Speaker 3: I listened to him. Yeah, I met him once. I
Speaker 3: was very excited about that.
Speaker 1: Oh he's the nicest, nicest man. He is. What a diamond.
Speaker 1: I mean, people still say to Henry, you know he Fansie,
Speaker 1: which is like fifty years ago, and he'll still he'll
Speaker 1: still go a and be nice to.
Speaker 2: Hear him tell that story about his I didn't know
Speaker 2: he was a Juilliard trained actor, you know, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I just liked him, and you know, he was this
Speaker 2: guy from Fansie. He was FANSI But but yeah, to
Speaker 2: watch his career, to hear about his ups and downs
Speaker 2: and and and for him to still have that kindness
Speaker 2: but still have an edge. He has an edge. Not
Speaker 2: he's not like an edgy guy, like he's not going
Speaker 2: to be mean to you on an airplane, but like
Speaker 2: he's smart.
Speaker 1: He's very smart and very very quick mind and a
Speaker 1: lovely man. He I remember when we had to send
Speaker 1: something over to his house when we were doing late night.
Speaker 1: We had to send some form over to his house
Speaker 1: for some firm to sign and we sent a pa
Speaker 1: over and the PA came back after be over and
Speaker 1: he said, Winkler gave me a sandwich. He said, got
Speaker 1: to the house and his family we're all having sandwiches,
Speaker 1: and he said, come on in and have a sandwich.
Speaker 1: And they gave the shift a sandwich next to him.
Speaker 1: And it's always kind of stuck with me. It was like,
Speaker 1: there's absolutely nothing in it for Henry Winkler to gave
Speaker 1: a pa sandwich. But they had some sandwiches and they
Speaker 1: were nice. But I just know it just seemed very nice.
Speaker 1: I love that. I've always liked Henry. I always thought
Speaker 1: he was such a lovely man. But your is an
Speaker 1: interesting point with Henry, because Henry had a very specific,
Speaker 1: huge entry into his career. Yes, when when he did
Speaker 1: the Phonsie and you had that must be thirty years
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you kidding me, since that song there is really
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, I know, but it was a huge krind.
Speaker 1: It must have been a huge gear shift for you
Speaker 1: for being you know, you're a young girl at that
Speaker 1: a young woman, you're like Baily mid twenties and then
Speaker 1: suddenly twenty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was you know, it didn't feel if. On
Speaker 2: one hand, it felt like a big change because it
Speaker 2: was I mean, having a song on the radio, will
Speaker 2: you hear your you know, hearing your music come through
Speaker 2: the radio with those DJs, you know, with the compression
Speaker 2: on their voice like.
Speaker 3: Lis Alone blahah blah blah.
Speaker 2: And also being in the context of other people you
Speaker 2: think of as being pop stars, you know, Mariah Carey
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I always did I'm writing carry
Speaker 2: and I was a singer songwriter in New York with
Speaker 2: a band and we'd play. But I don't know if
Speaker 2: you had the same thing. But I had been working
Speaker 2: on it for so long, you know, I felt like
Speaker 2: I had been I'd been writing songs since I was
Speaker 2: a little kid. I'd been writing like real songs since
Speaker 2: I was in eighth grade or ninth grade. And then
Speaker 2: I started writing on guitar and I'd play my songs
Speaker 2: in assembly. And then my friend and I had that
Speaker 2: band in college, my friend Liz Mitchell, and we had
Speaker 2: a great following and we recorded our music and there
Speaker 2: were some record companies getting interested in college, and so
Speaker 2: it was like step by step by step, you know,
Speaker 2: going along to get to the place where the song
Speaker 2: ended up on the radio. In retrospect, it was a
Speaker 2: huge thing in retrospect, like the fact that Ethan Hawk,
Speaker 2: you know, passed the song along and they actually put
Speaker 2: it in the movie.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That's that's rare when things actually happen, I know. And
Speaker 2: and then it actually got played on the radio, and
Speaker 2: then we actually made a music video and it actually
Speaker 2: became popular, and that it's amazing playing that, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: I mean, I there's a lot of other songs like that.
Speaker 3: It's funny. I played. I went on tour.
Speaker 2: I did a few weeks with Lyle Lovett recently, like
Speaker 2: in May, and we did the thing where we both
Speaker 2: sit on stage and we talk and we hang out
Speaker 2: and then we play music, kind of like if we
Speaker 2: both just took a guitar out and started playing a song.
Speaker 2: But one of the shows and you never had a
Speaker 2: set list, he'd play a song and talk and we'd
Speaker 2: talk and I'd play a song. And I had a
Speaker 2: list of songs that I wanted to remember to play
Speaker 2: because I'll just forget song.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I need some reminders.
Speaker 2: I got a call from the promoter the next day
Speaker 2: saying that they were disappointed I hadn't played my song Stay.
Speaker 2: I played like nine songs that night. I totally forgot, like,
Speaker 2: there's so many other songs that I could play it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I do love playing it because people want to
Speaker 2: hear it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I don't dislike it.
Speaker 2: I like it, and it definitely is a regular kind
Speaker 2: of one of my songs. It's not some people get
Speaker 2: hit songs that are really outside of what they want
Speaker 2: to play, and they're like, oh, I can't believe I
Speaker 2: have to play that song. I don't mind playing it.
Speaker 2: I like it, And because now it has so much
Speaker 2: history attached to it and people have a really nostalgic
Speaker 2: feeling about it, I enjoy playing it. That's really It's
Speaker 2: amazing to be in that circle of me singing a
Speaker 2: ton of people singing with me.
Speaker 3: On that song.
Speaker 2: But it's not like my favorite song to sing. But
Speaker 2: I'm also happy to do it.
Speaker 1: I think also it's a sign of maturity and an
Speaker 1: artist when you make peace with early success. You know,
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, circling back to you know what
Speaker 1: I told you when I worked with Mike Jagger years ago.
Speaker 1: But you know they were singing, you know, Sympathy for
Speaker 1: the Devil and satisfaction and these songs were, you know,
Speaker 1: thirty years old at that pointeh, you know. And and
Speaker 1: I said, you ever get sick of playing them? And
Speaker 1: he went, now, because you when when you go out,
Speaker 1: it's magical. I'm happy that it has become part of,
Speaker 1: you know, everything we did. And I I kind of
Speaker 1: love that he said, But there was a time when
Speaker 1: I didn't want to sing it, you know. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's you feel like you have to escape
Speaker 1: who you were before so that you don't get caught, right,
Speaker 1: you know. But I think that then you realize you're
Speaker 1: not caught. It's just who you were then and who
Speaker 1: you were then it's part of who you are now.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you have to do it all basically because
Speaker 2: you have to feed your own soul and feed yourself.
Speaker 2: It's funny I was talking to I was at this
Speaker 2: event yesterday for an organization called Best Buddies, and Nikky
Speaker 2: six from Motley Crue was there. We were talking and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I got to get back together
Speaker 2: with this guy, like we really I hadn't met him before,
Speaker 2: but we had a really nice conversation and part of
Speaker 2: it was about this kind of thing, you know, about
Speaker 2: writing music and how hard it is, and how writing
Speaker 2: songs and lyrics and music it's so hard, but we
Speaker 2: still love doing it and continuing to try to get
Speaker 2: better at it. And but and how funny it is,
Speaker 2: how how much pressure you put on yourself to like
Speaker 2: write new songs. But when you go play these concerts,
Speaker 2: people just want to hear what they know. You know,
Speaker 2: even as musicians ourselves were like, oh no, you know,
Speaker 2: don't play a news song.
Speaker 1: Oh got it?
Speaker 2: Like people are getting You're most excited as a musician
Speaker 2: to play those songs, and then the audience is going
Speaker 2: to get beer. And so you have to be really
Speaker 2: tricky the way you put the songs in. And on
Speaker 2: one hand, it's kind of like a like a backup plan,
Speaker 2: like or this case scenario, I play all the songs
Speaker 2: that people already know, even though it's like from twenty
Speaker 2: five thirty years ago, or even some of the songs
Speaker 2: I wrote in the eighties, and I put them on
Speaker 2: my records and people still want to hear them.
Speaker 3: And that's that's fine.
Speaker 2: I want to know that I'm the same way with
Speaker 2: a lot of my favorite artists, So I just I
Speaker 2: appreciate that. But then also you're like, but I also
Speaker 2: want to play some of these new songs and hopefully
Speaker 2: you'll like them too.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's an interesting because it's kind of
Speaker 1: the poller opposite of what you've experienced as a stand
Speaker 1: up comedian. I really, I really wish I could do
Speaker 1: that joke again because now I could do much better.
Speaker 2: And I know, like, like, I have a question about
Speaker 2: that well now, especially with cell phones, it's such a drag.
Speaker 2: Like I again talking about Lyle Lovett. I opened for
Speaker 2: him twenty five years ago and I saw him tell
Speaker 2: these stories and I realized what a craft that was
Speaker 2: and it's and I had this thing in my head
Speaker 2: like I can never say the same thing. I can
Speaker 2: never set up a song the same way. Everything always
Speaker 2: has to be different. And I remember dwezel Zappa would say,
Speaker 2: you know, his dad never played the same show and
Speaker 2: all the solos were different. And I thought, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't solo in my music. I just play songs.
Speaker 2: But my soloing is my talking, like my banter, and
Speaker 2: it's not going to be different. But then I started
Speaker 2: realizing to create a story is so fun. But then
Speaker 2: when you see the same people right in the audience,
Speaker 2: and you finally figured out how to ride the audience
Speaker 2: in the waves of the story and embellish it or whatever,
Speaker 2: and there's the same people right in front or they
Speaker 2: videotape it. You're like, like, how do you deal with that?
Speaker 2: As a comedian? I think people want to hear that story.
Speaker 2: They want to hear that.
Speaker 1: You can tell this. I feel like you can tell
Speaker 1: the same story until it's being televised, until it's on
Speaker 1: a special, or until it's until it's on the internet.
Speaker 1: Then you can't do it again. And that's what I
Speaker 1: that's my personal belief about it is that once I've
Speaker 1: told it and it's been out there, which is annoying
Speaker 1: because it's almost like if you recorded the song and
Speaker 1: you can never play it, last terrible because you will.
Speaker 2: You get there and you get to that place where
Speaker 2: you're like saying something that's just off the cuff, but
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 3: Ah, but it's so good.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what's super straining about it, because I
Speaker 1: look at material that this is a stand up paying
Speaker 1: fifty twenty years ago and go, you know, I.
Speaker 4: Could really make that work a little bear now that
Speaker 4: was actually a very good idea, but I didn't do
Speaker 4: it properly, and I would like to do it properly now,
Speaker 4: but you kind of can't because people know what's coming,
Speaker 4: and that ruins that, that ruins what it is.
Speaker 2: It takes the melody away if they understand what it is.
Speaker 2: Just just do it for people like over fifty five.
Speaker 2: They will not remember.
Speaker 3: They will not they won't remember, you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I say this all the time because I
Speaker 2: keep thinking of this as the example. But like, I
Speaker 2: met Barry Manilow at an event and I was so
Speaker 2: excited and I got my picture taken with them, and
Speaker 2: I love the song Mandy, and I just gushed and
Speaker 2: I was so excited. And then I was going through
Speaker 2: my photo albums, you know, a couple months later, and
Speaker 2: there I was the first time I met Barry Manilo
Speaker 2: for the first time in another photo from you know,
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago. I had no recollection and it was
Speaker 2: important to me. You know, it's weird to have something
Speaker 2: very similar.
Speaker 1: I had this thing. Do you have you ever seen
Speaker 1: the documentary Becoming spok.
Speaker 2: I should be anyway, Yeah, he was, Actually I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I watched it. It was made by his son.
Speaker 2: I think it's a beautiful though screening even I don't
Speaker 2: know it's a gardeless stone.
Speaker 1: But I watched it, and then afterwards I said to
Speaker 1: my wife, Gosh, what a lovely man. I really wish
Speaker 1: I'd had him on the Late Night show. And we
Speaker 1: looked up and he was on twice a thing.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 3: That's that's why it's good to have friends around.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: My friend Amy's like, remember that time we were in
Speaker 2: that limo with Adam Sandler. He gave us a ride
Speaker 2: and I was like, what tell me about that?
Speaker 3: What happened then?
Speaker 2: So yeah, I remember Paul Rudd was talking to you.
Speaker 2: I'm like, he was what did he say? Like what happened?
Speaker 1: But that's the weird is, especially when I look at
Speaker 1: like Late Night, I was like, ten years I did
Speaker 1: that show, and people will like, I'll see footage from that,
Speaker 1: like I am zero recollection of that conversation or even
Speaker 1: that evening and I'm right there and it's me talking
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I honestly don't remember. You know. It's
Speaker 1: a little weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do an interview. I have a radio show,
Speaker 2: a daily radio show on Sirius XM nineties on nine
Speaker 2: and One of the things I added to it was
Speaker 2: called Where They Are Now? And it's an interview segment
Speaker 2: where I talk to people who you might know from
Speaker 2: the nineties but they're still doing things today.
Speaker 3: And I was inspired by spinal Tap, you know.
Speaker 2: And they're all sitting around the radio and their old
Speaker 2: song comes on the radio. It might be like give
Speaker 2: me some money or cups and cakes or something, and
Speaker 2: they're all sitting around and they're all like enjoying it.
Speaker 2: Exter on tour, it's so cool to hear their old song.
Speaker 2: The DJ comes on and from the Where Are They
Speaker 2: Now files, like I wonder if they're so alive, you know,
Speaker 2: And they're just like on a tour promoting a current project.
Speaker 3: And that happens, you know, when you travel.
Speaker 2: You might sit next to somebody they're like, so are
Speaker 2: you still didn't you used to be a musician? You're like,
Speaker 2: I guess something like you're checking into a hotel and
Speaker 2: your name is on the marquee across the street, and
Speaker 2: then the young gals like, didn't you used to be
Speaker 2: a musician? You're like, yeah, I still am, And there's
Speaker 2: my name right there over on the marquee right like
Speaker 2: I'm going with my guitar.
Speaker 1: You're at the airport.
Speaker 3: I'm going with my guitar to you know, Wisconsin, because
Speaker 3: I'm plying.
Speaker 1: A show there.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, that's so great. Good luck with that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so I started a radio show thing called
Speaker 2: where They Are Now, which is a take on where
Speaker 2: Are They Now? And because it's a kinder way of saying, yes,
Speaker 2: I know you're I know you from a certain material
Speaker 2: from the nineties probably, but same, we play some reruns
Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, this week you're rerunning your interview
Speaker 2: with so and so, and I'm like, why did I
Speaker 2: talk to I got to talk to boys to men.
Speaker 2: That's so cool and it's right there in the hard drive.
Speaker 2: I had a great conversation with them, no recollection. I
Speaker 2: researched them for hours.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what's going to happen to us now. Because
Speaker 1: we're done.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to remember speaking.
Speaker 2: I remember I didn't stop eating fudge at the airport.
Speaker 6: And fudge Colorado and Dan for famous for its fudge
Speaker 6: at the airport in the airport, Lisa, it's a delight
Speaker 6: to see.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that it's been so long, and very good
Speaker 1: luck with the children's book. I hope it comes out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope it comes out. I have a feeling that
Speaker 1: will work out fine. Yeah, you're delightful and please keep
Speaker 1: doing your Thanks for being sure.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I hope to see you at Nelson's. Bring your coupon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know me. Scoutition, good day.
Speaker 3: Thank you
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