WEBVTT - Lisa Loeb 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.400 The Craig Ferguson Pants on Fire Tour is on sale now. 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.880 It's a new show, it's new material, but I'm afraid 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.440 it's still only me, Craig Ferguson on my own, standing 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.760 on a stage, telling comedy words. Come and see me, 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.520 buy tickets, bring your loved ones, or don't come and 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.400 see me. Don't buy tickets and don't bring your loved ones. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.880 I'm not your dad. You come or don't come, but 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.120 you should at least know what's happening, and it is. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.120 The tour kicks off late September and goes through the 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.960 end of the year and beyond. Tickets are available at 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.440 the Craig Ferguson Show dot Com slash tour. They're available 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.720 at the Craig Ferguson show dot Com slash tour or 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:45.080 at your local outlet in your region. My name is 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:49.879 Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:53.600 talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness. 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:00.400 My guest today is some when I first met thirty 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.400 years ago, Bord. She's very, very talented, and very clever 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.960 and very funny. I always enjoy talking to her and 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.759 I always enjoyed listening to her, and I invite you 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:22.360 to do that right now. Join my guest today, Lisa. Look, everybody, 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.080 do you know what I'm very happy about Lisa, And 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.200 I'm going to tell you this right now. We both 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.759 look exactly the same as we did when we first met. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.680 Well you do, actually, which is kind of I've kind 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.679 of got a little squiggly around the edges, but you 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:43.119 look exactly the same. You're still the youthful songstress that 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:45.160 I don't know if you remember this. We first met 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.200 when I was doing the Drew Carey Show. Do you 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:48.680 remember that when you were right? 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.360 And I got to be a guitar player? I mean 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:54.760 I am one, but I got to play myself. I've 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:56.920 been seeing that on socials lately. Some of the people 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.840 I forgot were on there, like Slash, Joe. 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:05.040 Wall was there, Joe Watsh and I became pals after that. Cool. 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:06.920 I've met him a couple of times, but we didn't 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.239 actually become like friends yet. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:10.560 I remember when we met him. 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:12.800 We met him someplace, my husband and I and I said, 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.240 oh my gosh, this is so cool. We get to 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.400 meet you, and He's like yeah, right, or he was 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:20.440 like yeah, We're like, yeah, it is cool to meet you. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:25.320 He's very, very fun. Once I was doing a I 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.280 got a job doing a working on it. As a 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.320 long story, but I got a job working doing a 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.959 script with Mick Jagger, and so I had to leave 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.080 the Drew Carey Show and go and be on tour 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:37.480 with Rolling Stones for a little bit. And everybody was saying, oh, 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:39.840 say tell Mike. I said Hi, Tell Mike. I said Hi. 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.960 And then Joe was there and he said tell Mike. 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.440 I said Hi, and I went, oh, yeah, you actually 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.079 mean tail make. I said like like, yeah, yeah, I've 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:50.560 known him for years. That's so cool. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.440 I didn't know you, did you? What happened with the 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.839 Did anything happen with the Rolling Stones? Mick Jagger thing? 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.600 Meccad the idea for a screenplay, and I had written 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:03.720 a movie that he liked, so then uh, he go 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.160 he hired me to write this movie and I wrote 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:11.640 two drafts of it, and then I go fired and 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.679 the movie never goes made. But that happens. 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.240 He's taller than I thought. He's taller than I thought. 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.400 We have told you. I always thought he was Yeah, yeah. 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.400 I know exactly, but but he's taller though, like I've 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.880 met him once and then I also had a sighting 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.120 of him. I met him in the studio once I 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:32.480 was visiting. Dawn was the producer and uh yeah yeah, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:34.520 and he he was like he had been working with 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:36.880 Mick Jagger a lot, I guess, or he was in 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:38.800 the studio. So he was like, let's go out there, 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:40.880 and like we knock on the door. We're like, is 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.040 he in there? And we're our ears to the door, 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.440 although you can't hear anything because it's a really huge studio, 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.880 you know, with like the super doors. But anyway, we're 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.080 trying to listen and he wasn't there. So we opened 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.360 the door and he was in there with what's his 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.040 name from Eurythmics, Dave Stewart who he was working with. 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.240 And I was trying to be cool, so I first 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.800 introduced myself to like the guy working at pro Tools 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.320 on the computer and the other assistant and then like 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.760 the third assistant, and I was just going around the room. 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.960 I wasn't trying to prioritize Mick Jagger and Dave Stuart. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:10.480 But then I got to make Jagger and he was 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.080 he was what I'm five two, so everybody seems you 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:13.640 know taller. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:14.080 Well. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.839 See, this is an interesting lesson and perspective because the 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.159 first time I met Mick Jagger, i met him I 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.039 had to fly to Istambul because they were doing the 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.839 bridges to Babylon too. It oh yeah, And I met 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.640 him there and I was very tired of jet like 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:30.920 by the time I met him. And he opened it 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.520 a tail room door and he was so riddle that 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.200 I said, oh, you're adorable. And I very much regretted 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.960 saying that right away. But and you said it to 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.320 a thing you said it to Yeah, I said it 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:44.600 out loud, like like I still done the job. 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:46.239 What are we thinking? 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.880 I don't know. I think sometimes when you meet super 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:54.159 famous people and they've been super famous since a long since, 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.920 like you were a kid, then it's hard to compute, 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.040 you know what I mean, Like you're super fa and 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.400 it's I'm very comfortable talking with you because I've talked 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.480 to you lots of different times over the years. And 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.280 if you meet people who were famous when you were 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:08.839 a kid, it's a different thing. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.440 I did that recently. Who did I talk to? And 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.560 I walked up to them and I said, gosh, who 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.120 was it? I have to remember. I said, oh my gosh, 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:16.680 you're so cute. Can I squish your face? 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:17.680 And it was. 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:21.240 Somebody like, what am I squishing? Something like squishing their 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:22.120 face with my hands? 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.400 Who was that? I don't think I'm going to say, Robert, 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:27.360 but you. 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:28.880 I also and I can't remember this. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.240 I can't remember if I met you first, or if 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.240 my parents somehow met you first backstage and one of 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:36.960 your shows in Dallas. I may have been on your 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:41.000 show once and then maybe connected you guys, I don't know, 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.039 and then I was on your show again. I don't remember. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.240 I don't really remember the order, but I do remember 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.200 your parents, because people's parents come and see me. Yeah, 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.200 to this day, it's a thing. I was doing a 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:54.920 meet and greet after a show, like a couple of 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.159 weeks ago, and this lady with a very familiar face 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.840 said to me, do you know my my son is 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.680 an actor? And I went, I know it was your 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.159 son's name, and she said Wess and I looked at 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:10.200 her visit with you're Wes Bentley's mom. She went, yeah, 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:15.120 have you heard of my son? My son? But she 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.400 was it was very lovely, but she really Wes Bentley 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.000 really looks like it's mom, Oh my god, that's all 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:21.479 I'm saying. 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.960 That's so amazing. It's you just you never know who 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:26.280 you're going to meet. I'm trying to look to see 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.200 on my phone who I met, who I squished their face, 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:29.839 And I was like, I can't believe that was like 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:31.359 the first Oh, I know it was. 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.880 It was a music festival. It was this huge music festival. 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:36.839 And the last minute I was playing there with my 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.520 band like a couple of months ago, and at the 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.400 last minute, they said, oh, hey, do you want to 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.440 co host this cooking segment right before you play with 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:49.280 this you know TV chef and Jason ahwa is the 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:50.800 kid from American Pie. 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.239 This kid Jason Isaacs, No I want to say. 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.520 I'll tell you and uh. And I had never met 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.960 him before and I was like, oh, uh, I'm terrible 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:06.000 with names. That's another really, Oh, Jason Biggs, this guy 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:08.080 showing you you know what I mean? 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.160 Yeah, I do know what you mean. I know Jason Biggs, 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:12.920 and he would be okay with you. This question is 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:13.680 faint that guy? 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:15.200 Yeah he doesn't really. 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.080 Yeah, I didn't know he did cooking segments. 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.040 Yeah, he does cooking segments. 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.240 Yeah, I think he had a cooking something something I 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:24.920 don't know, and I had a cooking show on Food 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.360 Network as well, and it was really fun. It's a 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.320 very fun thing to do to cook on Do you 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:30.880 still do that? 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.000 Do you still do all the cook and stuff? I do? 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:34.560 I mean in real life, I do. 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.000 I think I do, although my kids lately they're like, uh, 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:42.560 chicken tika masala again. I'm like, I'm you know, I'm 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.440 trying hard. I'm a human. I'm not just like a mom. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.920 I'm a human. I'm trying really hard to make food. 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:50.240 I think it's pretty good. 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.520 So funny to me because I hear you say, you know, 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.560 you talk to your kids and you're a mom. But 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.360 to me, you're like, you know, you're twenty eight years old, 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.920 and I I see you in the Drew Carry Show. 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.120 It's like, I think of my sale. I'm like, I'm 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.520 forty two and my kids are just little. But that's 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:08.800 not true any know. My kids have grown up and 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:10.840 I think I'm an asshole. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.800 You're the worst person ever, right, Yeah, I feel like 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:18.480 clavely in Los Angeles. I've definitely felt things shifting, and 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.400 it may be because I'm wearing black sweats a lot, 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.880 just a nice black sweatpants. I always feel like Oprah 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.320 Winfrey at some point said, don't leave your house looking like, 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:28.480 I don't know what like. You need to be basically 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:32.280 put together. So I'm put together, like black sweats, sneakers, 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:36.440 black T shirt, and a lot of salespeople lately when 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.760 I'm with my kids are like, mom, hy mom. They 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.000 call me mom, like at Verizon car Mom, Yeah, mom, 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:42.719 what do you think of that? 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.320 I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm the mom. I mean I am. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:47.960 You know, once I was standing with one of my 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:51.800 boys at Galson's. You know, Gelson's right near my house, 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.439 right near your house, right, So where are you at? 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:56.600 Which one were you in here? Well, at that time 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.000 it was the one just like on the top, like 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.640 the bottom of beach, would that area? Yeah? Right, So 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:04.599 I'm at the Gelson's and I was standing with my 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.040 oldest son, who at the time I think was about fifteen. Yeah, 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.280 And we were standing there and I saw this girl 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.600 look at him as she was going by, and then 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:14.920 she just went by. She looked at him and she 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.720 went by, and I went, oh my god, something just happened. 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:22.280 Somebody just saw It wasn't a guy with his kid. 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.199 She saw a guy with his dad. It was I 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.920 wasn't the guy anymore. It was like he was the 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.080 guy and I was the appendage. And I was like, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.120 oh man, that is a shift. But it is, you know, 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.080 it's just there. It happens. It's the natural order of things. 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:39.439 Well is it your kids now? 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.320 I was just about to ask you that my kids 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.480 are My daughter just turned fifteen, she's in ninth grade, 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.600 and my son is twelve. 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.640 How about you see that's well I'm a little further 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:51.400 down the line. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.080 Well maybe I waited a long time. 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.120 Yeah, I did. Two, I did too, id a long 0:09:56.160 --> 0:10:00.040 time in between. My oldest is twenty three, okay, and 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.079 my youngest is thirteen. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:03.080 Oh wow yeah. 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.440 But Scottish people are like, you know, there's big orchids 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.000 in the jungle that just explode every ten years and 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.920 everything around them gets pregnant. That's what Scottish people do. 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.000 They have sex once every ten years. They have to 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:18.440 go to their home planet like spot and then that's 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:21.240 how they make So I have My boys are almost 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.880 ten years apart, nine and a half years apart, which 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.280 I think is it works for them. Like my wife 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.840 always says, It's like you have a Kirk and a Spock, 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.360 but you better have the Spock first, because if you 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.559 have the Kirk first, you won't have any other. You 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.199 gotta spoke then Kirk. And that's what we got you. 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:41.320 They nerd to your wife's nerd. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.680 She's like to talk about, okaying, we have Star Wars 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.559 wallpaper in our bathroom. That's a different star show. 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:51.600 I have. 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:52.200 I don't know. 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.480 I've got two very unique, different kids. Although when they 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.559 were younger, my son was on the taller side and 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.480 people used to think they were twins, but not. And 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.400 now my daughter is taller than I am, and my 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.640 son just yesterday stood next to me and he's a 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.200 tiny bit taller than I am. I think I knew 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:09.640 at some point I was going to be looking up 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.000 at them and pointing my finger saying it's time for bed. 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:12.800 You get to bed. 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:16.559 You have to behave yourself and don't smoke cigarette. And 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.079 now my parents used to say make sure. My mom 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.560 would say make sure you come home at eleven, but 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.560 be real quiet because we're going to be asleep. I 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.560 was like, mm, yeah, I'll be home at eleven, Yeah, I'll. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.360 Be I was. I came in at eleven. But you 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:31.240 guys were asleep. 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.160 You are sleeping, so you didn't know. 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.440 Yeah, well you are a wild kid. You are not wild. 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.360 When I was not a wild I was. 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:37.720 I was. 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.160 I was a very studious kid. I was a kid 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.560 who had a million different things that I love to do. 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:46.840 I was. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.400 I was a dancer and an actor and a had 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.080 I was a DJ on the radio, and I would 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.160 I DJ parties. I'm carry in all these big creates 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:59.200 of records. I did a lot of extracurriculars, acting in 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:04.320 musical theater and theater and music. But I did I 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.120 did you spain though? That was when DJ's put records 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.160 on and then gave O private. It was like a 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.240 soft cup but in the eighties, and like I'd play 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.120 like a deep cut from Duran Duran, and we'd played 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.120 like the Chauffeur instead of just Hungry like the Wolf, 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.720 which we danced to with the dance troupe at the 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.160 boys school. And I was right in the front row 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.319 and my friends who were in bands with me were 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.640 right in the front row at this boys school where 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.080 we were dancing with our dance troupe from the girls' 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:33.040 school to Hungry like the wolf wearing leotards and tatters 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.200 and rags, and I thought, you know what, I can't 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.440 be in the dance troup anymore doing these sexy dances 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:38.240 at the boys' school. 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.240 This is not I can't do this. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.800 It sounds like a recipe for disaster. It was just 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.160 not girls from the girls school dance from the boys 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:47.000 of the boys school. 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.120 Yeah, I was just it was I had to stop. 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.640 I just had to focus on writing music and getting 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.920 out of there. But I also, you know, I went 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.240 to Spain one summer between what was it sophomore and 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:02.679 junior year. I lived in Quenca. It was a little 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.200 town called Quenca, a few hours outside of Madrid, and 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.080 it had a famous museums called. 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.000 Lassas call Godas, and. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:13.120 We lived with families and we legally drank beer and 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:19.080 rode on the back of motorcycles, little scooters and motorcycles, and. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:19.760 It was so European. I was so European. 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:21.280 So when I came back from Spain, I was way 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.440 more European than I had been before I left for Spain. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.800 And my friends and I love to go see bands 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:29.920 play and we would sneak out, and you know, I 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.760 wasn't I wasn't getting caught. I wasn't terrible, but I 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.560 wasn't getting caught either. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.439 Well, you grew up in Dallas, the right in Dallas, 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.280 and do you see some pretty big acts coming through there? 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:42.280 Oh yeah, you were a kid. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:43.079 We saw everybody. 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:43.439 We saw it. 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:45.520 Well, I don't know why, I keep thinking. I was 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.720 thinking dire Straights. You know, the police goes to the 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.000 machine tour we saw. I remember seeing Grace Jones at 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.160 this place called the Start Club, and I also remember 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:56.400 that might have been after high school. 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.839 And then I remember seeing what's the band name used 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:00.440 in me? 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:05.440 Right round baby, right at the same place. You had 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.360 to go see them at the Start Club, this club 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.880 that we probably shouldn't have been in. We were probably underage, 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.480 but we would sneak in. And it was the first 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.320 time I was like, wait, there's no band. He's singing 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.680 with the microphone and I can hear the music, but 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:22.280 there's no musicians. And I realized that that is a track. 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.200 He's singing to a track. But that was fun. But 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.280 I saw so many bands play. Oh my gosh, it 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:29.880 was amazing. I loved it. 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:34.160 I did the low of that too. I saw everybody. Man, 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.800 I saw a boy in the Little Tour. I saw Queen, 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:41.120 I saw the four oh before before What Before a 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.040 Night in the All Price. I saw them on the 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.240 Sheer Heart type. I was like a young guy, I'm 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:47.280 sixty two years old. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.680 I'm like a hard I'm close years old, that's so close. 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:51.840 I was at Live Aid in London. I happened to 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:55.640 be studying acting that summer in London at the National 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:59.280 Youth Theater of Great Britain, making an American musical. I 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:00.920 don't know why they had his doing an American musical, 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.800 but anyway, I said, you know, there's this big show 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.160 coming through called Live Aid. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.000 And I got a couple of friends with me to 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:07.800 go on the tube. 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.880 I'm so British now and to go to get We 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.600 bought tickets and we went and we saw, we were there. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.720 We saw all of everybody, Bowie. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:19.000 And Thomas Dolby playing with Bowie, which not Thomas Dolby. Yeah, 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.520 Thomas Dolby played with Bowie on that show. Which I 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:26.080 saw was that she blinded me with science. That was 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:28.000 right flat Yeah, but. 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.040 Wait, who else did you see? Who else did you see? 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:35.280 I saw the Pistols, I saw the. 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:39.760 Stranglers, so the damn the so the I mean like 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:44.840 some yeah, I saw that's amazing with Lamy. 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.960 Oh me, yeah, I saw Hope when with Lamy when 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:50.960 I I think I was my first concert actually when 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.200 I was thirteen. I saw Hope when when they were 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.520 playing cellver Machine and they used to have a dancer 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:00.680 called Stasia who is a lady who would dance with 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.400 her and she would take her tollpof And we were 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.120 thirteen year old boys and we would see Stacia dancing 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:06.960 with her tollpoff. 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.680 It was you loved music, you loved going to see music. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.800 I loved music like old boys of that age. I 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.080 loved Stasia as well. She was I don't think that's 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:22.280 allowed now. I think that would be frowned upon and modern. Well, 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.280 it depends on who's doing it. So who's doing it, 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.680 It depends on who. It depends on who decides to 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.800 do it. You know, if the artist decides it may 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:32.680 be different. I want to go see Billie Eilish yet 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.200 last night with my daughter. Oh yeah, yeah, it was amazing. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.960 It was amazing. Actually I've never seen and I saw, 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.200 you know, not to necessarily compare them, but they're two 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.800 big arena shows. I saw Taylor Swift a few, you 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.120 know in this last Eras tour, which was amazing and beautiful, 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.120 and I saw I've seen Pink and it's amazing. But 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.760 the lighting it was so unique. I've never seen anything 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.760 like that. It's very intense. But she kept her clothes on, 0:16:58.840 --> 0:16:59.160 for sure. 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:00.880 Yeah, I think that's okay. 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.280 I mean, if she had decided not to, it probably 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:05.240 also would have been okay. 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.720 But she would have had to decide. I think that's good. Well, 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.760 I think I don't know who who was deciding for anything. 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.160 I think a lot of people when I saw Halt 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.800 when when I was thirteen, I wasn't but I think 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.760 a lot of people were on very powerful narcotics at 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:24.240 that point in their lives, and their decision making process 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.320 may have been impaired. The drugs were deciding, the drugs 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:32.200 were decided. It's funny that it's a real I mean, 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.399 quite seriously, though, it's a trap for young musicians, or 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.960 used to be. It seems to be that young musicians 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.679 now are a little more ambitious and work focused, career 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:43.560 focused than they used to be. Is that true? Do 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:43.920 you think? 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.800 I think in some ways I think they are, and 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.359 I think they understand this concept that they're going to 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:50.199 have many jobs. 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:51.199 It used to be. 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.040 I'm sure it was the same with you, you know, 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.800 being in entertainment and comedy and acting and writing. You 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.760 didn't want to say, like, oh, and I'm also I 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.720 wor at this store, or I also created this idea, 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.320 or I also teach or you know. Now kids do 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.399 a lot of different things, Like they might be teaching 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.560 and then they're in their band, or they might have 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.400 a real job and then they also have an entertainment job, 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.520 and it's not taboo. But I think back in those days, 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:18.560 you wanted to do one thing, or you weren't serious. 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.320 You know, you were a diletant, that's right, Yeah, you 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.880