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Speaker 2: Now besides us today in studio is Hirsh Jane. That's right,

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Speaker 2: Hello Jane, the founder and CEO of Ananda Strategy, an

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Speaker 2: entity that advises leading cannabis brands, retailers, technology businesses, and

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Speaker 2: helping guide their expansion strategy, competitive license efforts, and much more.

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Speaker 2: Now in California alone, a Nanda's strategy. His company has

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Speaker 2: including many of the highest roasting retail outlets in the region.

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Speaker 3: Now check this out blue.

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Speaker 2: He serves as the vice chair of the California Cannabis

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Speaker 2: good Old Killer Cali, and he co sponsors California's pioneering

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Speaker 3: And on top of all that, my man's got his

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Speaker 3: Law School. So this is the man that you want

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Speaker 2: Visit the website Ananda strategy dot com. Also follow them

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Speaker 2: on the ig at a Nanda Strategy A N A

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Speaker 2: and D A S T R A T E G Y.

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Speaker 3: To elevate your cannabis brand to the next level without

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Speaker 3: further ado, give it up or hersh in the building.

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Speaker 3: Let's go dude, that is very, very impressive dog you have.

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Speaker 2: I remember when we were on a three way text

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Speaker 2: with Brian Buckley. Thank you Brian for hooking us up

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Speaker 2: with you. Right away, I said, mister smarty pants. As

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, you're Gonnat taking test huh yeah, yeah, a

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Speaker 2: I mean those accolades alone on top of everything you're

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Speaker 3: About who you are, right I mean?

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Speaker 2: And I really see that as being your life. And

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Speaker 2: when did you realize that because you're involved in so much,

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Speaker 3: It was like and a lot of people from Berkeley

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Speaker 4: When I use cannabis, it's far less stigmatized than it

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Speaker 5: So it's the best of times. But there's also challenges.

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Speaker 2: Flaggroup dot com. Hirsh Gain, the co founder and CEO

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Speaker 2: of Ananda Strategy, is here with us. But Blue you

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Speaker 2: say you have an idea. I can't wait to hear

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Speaker 2: what this idea is, Hirsh.

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Speaker 3: Since you're doing all kinds of stuff, First of all,

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Speaker 3: what do you enjoy doing the most out of all

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Speaker 3: the things that you're doing right now?

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Speaker 5: Professionally? What do I enjoy?

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Speaker 4: M h. It's hard to picture just one, but to

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Speaker 4: pick one, I get to work with really talented entrepreneurs.

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Speaker 4: What I mean by that is I don't really have

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Speaker 4: the skills to operate a great retail store or to

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Speaker 4: they have a good brand, what other states they might

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Speaker 5: So that's that's what I love the most.

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Speaker 4: You know, all of the people that I've worked for

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Speaker 5: To really succeed. So it's kind of a vague answer,

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Speaker 3: So my idea was, as you know, I love the

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he could break knowledge. I mean he has

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the messages and this and that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like with the education platform things that I'm doing,

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Speaker 3: like your Medmen's, your Airbnb's, your Harvard Law schools, I

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Speaker 4: That was the first job that I had in cannabis.

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Speaker 4: And just around that time, Medmen was the big dog

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great company and great. So tell us

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Speaker 4: all great things. Another example is Minnesota. Minnesota, I think

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Speaker 3: You know, really, I don't know that.

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Speaker 5: And it really does want it's the new Martini lunch.

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Speaker 4: I was having lunch with Jason Tarasak, a great cannabis

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Speaker 3: It's just who's just I mean, who's who's distributing all

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Speaker 5: I don't know who he's distributing to them?

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Speaker 5: I drank it. I got a picture of it. Right here.

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Speaker 5: It's called like vibe all yeah, vibe.

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Speaker 4: And there's restrictions, you know, they can only be up

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Speaker 3: Sure, So I mean, sam is you could sell, you

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Speaker 3: isn't it. I mean, this is what we're talking, going

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Speaker 3: to smoke a joint in their car, hiding or at

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Speaker 3: the point. But it's a hot but that's that's we

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Speaker 3: We could also hide in a car and have a

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Speaker 3: drink too. You know, I'm just I'm just yeah, it's terrible.

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Speaker 3: But I mean even it's not even looked upon badly.

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Speaker 3: I would even go as far as saying, hey, look,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm the CEO of this company, and you

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Speaker 3: know I've been to lunch with my guys and had

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Speaker 3: a drink and came back to work. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm guilty of it. So I and I've also you know,

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Speaker 3: smoked the joint right here in the office. But but

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Speaker 3: but we still get shipped done. And my point to

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Speaker 3: that is is I think that you know, it's again,

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Speaker 3: it's the destigmatation of being stigmatized and and the rules

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Speaker 3: that you know that are kind of sad to see.

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Speaker 3: And what was that Minnesota said?

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Speaker 5: Huh Minnesota. I'm telling you every day.

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Speaker 4: Talking about Minnesota because they're the only state in the

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Speaker 4: country where that level of access exists.

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Speaker 5: And that's what we need in this country for other

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Speaker 5: Just open it up. Yeah, open it up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the sky won't fall, and then other states will

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Speaker 4: be like, you know what, why don't we do the same.

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Speaker 3: Like if we're gonna do it, do it, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Like let's stop. Yeah, Well that's you know, it's funny

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Speaker 3: because I love having conversations with people like this on

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Speaker 3: the phone, and Brian Buckley ironically is one of those

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Speaker 3: ones that will have these random, you know, scenarios of

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Speaker 3: what's going on in Oklahoma and if this people would

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Speaker 3: do what these people are doing, and if we would

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Speaker 3: do what Colorado does this.

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Speaker 2: And if we're kind of picking and choosing. So my

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Speaker 2: point in question to you would be, if you could

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Speaker 2: hirsh what you have a knowledge of all the states

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Speaker 2: the twenty three I believe that are recreational, what would

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Speaker 2: be the next state to go? If you guys did

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Speaker 2: these ten or if California did this or New York

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Speaker 2: did that?

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Speaker 3: What could make the perfect thing?

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Speaker 2: Because we're gonna get to federal legalizations sooner or later,

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Speaker 2: so we're all going to have to come to some

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Speaker 2: type of agreement, and who knows how long.

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Speaker 3: That's going to take.

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Speaker 2: But you'd have a better logical answer and take on

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Speaker 2: that as well. And I want to hear both of those.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty simple. Lower the tax,

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Speaker 4: make cannabis easily accessible. Those are the two things, right,

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Speaker 4: And I think Michigan, by the way, is a great

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Speaker 4: example of this. Michigan is probably the highest performing market

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Speaker 4: right now. That's because they have really robust axes. They

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Speaker 4: have really low taxes, and you know, Michigan, like California,

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Speaker 4: has a robust illicit market, but they're beating that illicit

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Speaker 4: market unlike California because they make cannabis successible and they

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Speaker 4: have low taxes. I mean, it's it's really that simple.

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Speaker 4: You could add on more, but.

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Speaker 3: Sure, thanks. You know, I'll tell you. Do you think

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Speaker 3: federal legalization's coming soon?

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I think normalization will happen before legalization. And so I

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Speaker 4: guess what I mean by that is, you know, we've

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Speaker 4: all probably heard last week, right the Department of Health

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Speaker 4: and Human Services, they recommended that we move cannabis from

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Speaker 4: Schedule one to Schedule three. So under a Schedule three designation,

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Speaker 4: cannabis would still be illegal, but we'd be admitting for

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Speaker 4: the first time that cannabis has medical value. So that's

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Speaker 4: a big step forward. I do think to get to legalization,

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Speaker 4: which is, you know, getting cannabis off the Controlled Substances Act,

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Speaker 4: it'll probably be four years or so, and that'll depend

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Speaker 4: in part on who the next.

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Speaker 3: Pet So is that the first step that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is basically the first step one.

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Speaker 3: Ain't that long.

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Speaker 5: It ain't that long.

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Speaker 3: I mean, considering we.

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Speaker 5: Can wait a long time. No, no, I agree.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the first step if you again, not to

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Speaker 4: get too wonky, but if you move from schedule one

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Speaker 4: to schedule three, then these cannabis companies can finally claim

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Speaker 4: federal tax deductions. And you know, if you really think

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Speaker 4: about it, no company in America would be profitable if

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Speaker 4: they couldn't deduct their expenses. But cannabis companies cannot deduct

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Speaker 4: their expenses, so that by itself would mean you would

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Speaker 4: pay a thirty percent tax rate instead of a seventy

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Speaker 4: percent tax rate. And so it's a first step to

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Speaker 4: making these Bible businesses.

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Speaker 2: You know, it makes it so tough for these you know,

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Speaker 2: for those that are listening, you got to realize, especially

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Speaker 2: in California, these companies that are pushing, they're pushing, and

527
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Speaker 2: you hear them tell the stories on this show time

528
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Speaker 2: and time again, they're not so profitable like a normal

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Speaker 2: company that's selling t shirts or vegetables that they're growing

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Speaker 2: where you know, okay, they can sell and do pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I mean you look at you know, farmers in fresh

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Speaker 2: in the California. You know, Central Valley where that's where

533
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Speaker 2: we grow a lot of the vegetables that feed this country,

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Speaker 2: damn near and they do very well over there because

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Speaker 2: they don't have the taxes that the cannabis people have totally.

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Speaker 2: And it's like these people should be able to prosper

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Speaker 2: just as well as those other ones.

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Speaker 3: Yep. And you're saying by making it as.

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Speaker 2: Category three, category three, that would change it right off

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Speaker 2: the top for them for taxes and being able to

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Speaker 2: write things off exactly.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's a provision of the tax code called

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Speaker 4: two eighty e. And what two eighty e is part

544
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Speaker 4: of the IRS tax code. It says, hey, if you

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Speaker 4: are trafficking in a Schedule one or a Schedule two drug,

546
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Speaker 4: then you cannot claim your tax deductions. And the history

547
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Speaker 4: of this is that in the eighties there was a

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Speaker 4: really like prolific cocaine dealer right who was caught and

549
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Speaker 4: was trying to deduct his expenses right on his taxes,

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Speaker 4: and so the Congress and Reagan passed the law saying, hey,

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Speaker 4: you can't do that if your Schedule one or Schedule two.

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Speaker 4: So yes, if you're a Schedule three, which is the

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Speaker 4: same category as like thailan All for example, Then yes,

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Speaker 4: you can claim tax deductions and that's a huge for

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Speaker 4: making these more viable businesses. And it also means a

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Speaker 4: small business that doesn't have tons of capital behind it

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Speaker 4: can succeed.

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Speaker 3: Right. It also means that we can we can go

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Speaker 3: right into Walmart and everywhere else for sales, right, I mean.

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Speaker 5: It'll it'll, yeah, I think it'll start that process.

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Speaker 3: Sure, it'll, right, I mean, because you know you'd have,

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Speaker 3: like you said, thailand All, you'd have your Cannon canon All,

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Speaker 3: you know, pill that you might be able to start

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Speaker 3: seeing over the counter that that was actually we know,

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Speaker 3: I know, Ma, but Marenals is synthetic. Cannon All is

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Speaker 3: the one, right, and you said that now he said silent,

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Speaker 3: I said, Cannonall. You know what I mean, that rolled

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Speaker 3: off perfect because I can see that being a brand.

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Speaker 3: But well exactly exactly. But I and I think that,

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Speaker 3: you know, but walking into the into those markets and

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Speaker 3: being able to have product lines on the you know,

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Speaker 3: shelves with Amazon for example, I mean, you could see

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Speaker 3: some hemp products and this and that. But ideally there's

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Speaker 3: no TAC right, So anything that has TC in it

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Speaker 3: is a is a no no but you can go

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Speaker 3: on Amazon and buy liquor, you know, so you know

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Speaker 3: you can buy you know, Timeland off. Can you buy

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Speaker 3: liquor on Amazon?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you probably have to show ID, but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you can buy it. You could buy it. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: you bought man exactly. My wife gets stuff delivered actually,

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Speaker 3: but I don't know if it's through Amazon. She gets

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Speaker 3: a certain wine or what. There certainly is whatever the one.

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Speaker 3: It's called the instacart for sure. Oh yeah you're buying Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're buying it. But I mean we're buying it through

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Speaker 3: delivery service as well. But I'm just saying, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: there's a much there's a there's a much broader market

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Speaker 3: that I feel like you can be going to. So

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Speaker 3: you know, let me ask you this.

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Speaker 6: You know, do you feel that through this this process,

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Speaker 6: once it does that the big big players in the

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Speaker 6: game are going to just come wipe out all the

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Speaker 6: mono plops after this break.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of a stock one on one will bad back.

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Speaker 2: The founder and CEO of Bernando Strategy, a lot of

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Speaker 2: things you guys are doing in blue. You asked no

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Speaker 2: question right before we went to break and I'm almost

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Speaker 2: drawing a blank.

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Speaker 3: What was the question that you asked him? Do you

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Speaker 3: remember the question I did? What was it?

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Speaker 4: It was how do we you know, do we think

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Speaker 4: that these changes will lead to a consolidation in.

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Speaker 3: The correct the big the big you know, thank you

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Speaker 3: hersh you could tell you're the smarter one of us

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Speaker 3: three up here. Attentions, you know, just big, big pharmas

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Speaker 3: you know, the big boy going to come in, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: I don't think so. I think.

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Speaker 4: I think the way that you develop a robust industry

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Speaker 4: is by lowering the barriers to entry and lowering the

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Speaker 4: regulatory burden. And I'll give you an example of that,

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Speaker 4: of that New Mexico has probably one of the most

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Speaker 4: diverse cannabis industries in the country, right, And the reason

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Speaker 4: that it does is that it has lowered the barriers

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Speaker 4: to entry. There isn't a big capital requirement to get involved.

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Speaker 4: If you look at the typical cannabis business owner New Mexico,

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Speaker 4: it's an ordinary person, probably Latino, probably middle class, started

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Speaker 4: this business, you know, maybe with his wife. Right.

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Speaker 5: This is these are the profiles of people.

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Speaker 4: And so when you allow these businesses to be opened

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Speaker 4: in the same way that say restaurants are, right, then

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Speaker 4: then you'll you'll have a more diverse industry. And I'll

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Speaker 4: also say regulatory burdens lead to consolidation. Right, So in California,

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Speaker 4: because of the tax structure, because of how hard it

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Speaker 4: is to operate a legal business, a lot of these

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Speaker 4: assets are distressed, and so a lot of people with

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Speaker 4: money are going to move in and consolidate these assets.

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Speaker 4: So these regulations, you know, they sort of benefit the

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Speaker 4: most well capitalized actors, the people with lawyers and with resources.

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Speaker 4: And so by lowering the barriers to entry, we can

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Speaker 4: create a more diverse market. And I think it'll look

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Speaker 4: the way the coffee market looks like, yeah, there's Starbucks, right,

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Speaker 4: and so there's a big chain, but there are also

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Speaker 4: boutique operators that can compete and have more regional brands

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Speaker 4: and be successful.

656
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: That's just a good way of looking at it, because

657
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: you're right, there are a lot of good coffee shops

658
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: that are like you know, the little ones.

659
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, I love that one. And there's a

660
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: bunch of the central value.

661
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: There's some in Santos, there's some in San Diego, a

662
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: couple of Los Angeles that are just randomly different.

663
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 3: You know a name that they have a couple of them,

664
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 3: And I could see that being the case. Yeah, yeah,

665
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: I see that in some places, but I think in

666
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: like distribution, you know, when it comes to you know,

667
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: Kirkland and these bigger brands that are able to move

668
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: it into costco. Like right now, if you're gonna buy cigarettes,

669
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: eighty percent of the people that buy tobacco go to costco.

670
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: It wasn't always like that. You used to have to

671
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: go to smoke shops and you'd buy them from packaged

672
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: you know, you'd buy cartons at smoke shops, you know,

673
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: and the smoke shops had all kinds of different cartons.

674
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: And then you know, they consolidated and they said, look,

675
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: you know, this is silly. How are we going to

676
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: you know, you guys are we're moving you know from

677
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: a massive warehouse, and we've have massive warehouses in every

678
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: state and we you know, transport to products to costcos

679
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: all across the country. Let's roll it out. It's that

680
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: big of a product. And I think cannabis is that

681
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: big of a product that it's going to be, you know,

682
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: consolidated in distribution model. And then as far as dispensary goes,

683
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: I don't think they can get rid of dispensaries, but

684
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: I think that and I think dispensary is going to

685
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: be your craft brew, you know, and and your your

686
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: your localization. You know. The guy that's been going to

687
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: you know, dispensary a down the street now is going

688
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: to walk into Target and not Target, into Chevron and

689
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: get gas and go let me get a you know,

690
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: a steaming steezy pin and fairness, you can go to

691
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: I'm not the same thing and get a Snickers, a

692
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 3: Gatorade edition and that, and you can get a liquor

693
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: store and all those things that sold at all the

694
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: same places that is turned in. You know that.

695
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: So when you say that, I'm going, huh, yeah, I

696
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: can buy a case of Gatorade at Costco as well.

697
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 3: I can buy a Chevron Wonder exactly. And I and

698
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: and what I'm saying is it might be distribution, like

699
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: get I see it going there. I see it going there.

700
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 5: And I think most of us don't want to see it.

701
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying we don't want to. I'm gonna

702
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: want to mean yeah, I just think. I just think.

703
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: I think in order to wipe out the the illicit market,

704
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: that's where it has to go. Unfortunately, right and and

705
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: so and and to compete you're right because they elicit market.

706
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: Now you're getting for a couple of hundred and listen,

707
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: I would is crazy. Take me wrong, Like I come

708
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: from that this market, you know what I mean? So

709
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: I am about the farmers, and I do believe that

710
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: that that you know, the craft, this and that should

711
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: all be here. I'm a fan of it. And and

712
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: I do believe that every one of those, once the

713
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: taxes come down, will still have margins to succeed, you know,

714
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 3: I really do. And I think that people are going

715
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: to be able to still make a good living in

716
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: their little towns and be able to produce big, big plants.

717
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: Well if they do, like hersh is saying, which makes

718
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: so much sense, lower that level to get in, because

719
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: now you've got to pay so much just to even

720
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: think about getting into the game.

721
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: Where when you use that.

722
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: A like restaurants, you got Indian restaurants, you got Japanese restaurants,

723
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: Chinese restaurant, Vietnamese restaurant, Mexican restaurants. Why can't all them

724
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: same folks open up dispensaries too and have their type

725
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: of you know, Hindu weed listen that or Mexican weed.

726
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: And you know what I mean and Japanese weed because

727
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: when you say it that way.

728
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: It made me think differently. Actually right now, going, dude,

729
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: there is room for it. Why because there's room for

730
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: all these other restaurants are out there. There's room for

731
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: all these other stores that are out there just like that,

732
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: because the level to get in is so low.

733
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 4: Right, And I think the determinant of a restaurant's success

734
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 4: most often is the quality of the product. Right, That's

735
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 4: what we should, that's what we need, and that's what

736
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 4: determinelf is not the barrier, but it's like do you

737
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 4: have game or not?

738
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 5: Right, No, that dictates you.

739
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: Do you have a good product? Is it good food?

740
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: There is a good weed there, good marketing, good food.

741
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: All that's in code to play because a lot of

742
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 3: people are gonna, I mean, listen when I'm telling you,

743
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: when when Marbro comes out with the Cannabro, whatever the

744
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 3: hell they come, they're gonna be able to mask do

745
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: so much and they mass produce it in such a

746
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: massive scale and they make it the Coca Cola of

747
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: Cana a lower down to public of course. Right now,

748
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: because right now, let's be honest, there's only a couple

749
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: of brands that have done that, do you know, like

750
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: a steezy, you know, Steazy stepped out and they spend

751
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: and and if I'm not mistaken, you know, and and

752
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: you know, they just defaulted on a hundred million dollar

753
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: or two hundred million dollars, you know, as big as

754
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: we think they are, well, no, they are that big.

755
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 3: They still are. They just default I mean, and and

756
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: again maybe that's information. I gotta look and find out

757
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: that I got that isn't public or maybe rumor, but no,

758
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: it's it's a fact. I just don't know whether or

759
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: not that public yet. I got a phone call from

760
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: someone on the inside that that I heard that they

761
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: defaulted on it, and it's a big deal. So I

762
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: gotta run that back. But you know, I ideally though,

763
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: you know, you know, at the end of the day,

764
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: you know, I'm talking, there's only a few people that

765
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: are at that massive scale, and it's it's hard to

766
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: be at that. Medmen for an example, dude, you know,

767
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: they were first through the door, they came out, they

768
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 3: became this massive company. You know, they had massive investors

769
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: behind it. There was you know, all kinds of people

770
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: shooting at them. You know, when you get to a

771
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: certain level. But these guys can sustain it. Marlborough is

772
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: gonna they're in this industry, you know, Like I had

773
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: conversations with you know folks ten years ago that were like, look,

774
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 3: we're gonna sell cannabis for twenty five cents a gram,

775
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: and I'm like, how is that possible? You know? Yeah?

776
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: And then and then they're like, well, we plan on

777
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 3: losing money for the first ten years and wiping everybody out.

778
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 3: And I'm like, and they have the backing to do it, yeah,

779
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And then you start having

780
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 3: that conversation and they're going, damn. And then the illicit

781
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 3: market doesn't even look that cool anymore because your boys

782
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 3: are like, yeah, but you got a fucking killer flower.

783
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 3: But so do they at the store, and it's only

784
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 3: twenty five cents a gram or so many a dollar,

785
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 3: you know, And really all they they're doing is saying, hey,

786
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 3: we're ready to crush, you know, crush because they say, yeah,

787
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: for the first five years we are, we're going to

788
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: lose massively, but after that, for the next twenty five

789
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 3: hundred years, are you know, will be the leading you know,

790
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: cannabis cultivators in the world. And and I unfortunately. That's

791
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: that's this is real life. You know, it's and I

792
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: don't look at it, is it a bad thing, you know,

793
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 3: it's it is what it is. It's business. It's business.

794
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: It's big the big pockets you can do that, you know,

795
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: if they're going to do that.

796
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 5: Your thoughts on anything that, Yeah, I mean, look, we're

797
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 5: talking about craft.

798
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 4: I think one of the best things for craft is

799
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 4: the creation of a national market.

800
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: Right.

801
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 4: If you think about all of these farmers and humble

802
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 4: for example, that are producing craft product right now, they

803
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 4: can't avail themselves of the national market for their goods.

804
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 4: So one of the key things to ensure their success

805
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 4: is to make sure that they can sell their goods

806
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: at least across the country. Right, So I think that's

807
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: one thing that's that's super critical. And yeah, I mean

808
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 4: to your point, right, you're mentioning the Marvel example. We

809
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 4: don't want to make wealth like a barrier to entry

810
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: in this industry. So the right, the more the more

811
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 4: able you are to develop a small business, the less

812
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 4: of a threat someone with deep pockets is, The more

813
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 4: onerous it is to participate in this business. The more

814
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 4: of an advantage that someone like marble has because they

815
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 4: can wait you out.

816
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: I love his mindset. I'm telling you it was great. Dude.

817
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: Right here hersh hernand strategy. What does somebody need to do?

818
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: What level do I need to call and try to

819
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: set up a consultation? Do I have to be where

820
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: am I at in my cannabis experience before I should

821
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: call you?

822
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: Well?

823
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 4: You know the great thing is I have some you know,

824
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 4: really high flying clients. But I also have a roster

825
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 4: of social equity clients, right, people who don't pay me anything, right,

826
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 4: so and who I love working with, so Posh Green.

827
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 4: You know respent In, the first black woman to own

828
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 4: a dispensary in San Francisco. You know, she's she's my client,

829
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 4: Jessica Naissan who's trying to open up one of the

830
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 4: card licenses in New York. So the great things I mean,

831
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: I just work with people that I believe in. Sometimes

832
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 4: they're larger operators like the Artistry or Wheelhouse. Sometimes they're

833
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 4: equity applicants who are trying to navigate this really onerous process.

834
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 5: Sore hearts in the right place, you.

835
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: Know, and give yourself a call and see if we

836
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: can do something. Yeah, and you work all States.

837
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, mostly California, Arizona, you know, New Mexico. But I've

838
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 4: done work in Canada. You know, I was in Germany

839
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 4: this summer in Spain, so.

840
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 3: Just wrap your head around it when it's time to go.

841
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean again, it's really fascinating to see all

842
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 4: of these countries take their own tact towards cannabis. It's

843
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: a really fascinating way to learn about these other cultures

844
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: to see how they're engaging with this. And so you

845
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 4: can see it across the country, right, we see the

846
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 4: political differences across our country as we all come to

847
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 4: grips with how we're going to regulate it.

848
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 5: And the same is true nationally.

849
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 4: And so you know, Germany, as you may know, is

850
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 4: about to pass a legalization bill, the biggest economy in

851
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 4: Europe that's going to have ripple effects across the continent.

852
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 4: And you know, it's kind of funny when I was

853
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 4: in Germany, you know, just because I'm from California, I

854
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 4: got to meet with eight members of the Bundestag, which

855
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 4: are the German parliament. I mean, no other life are

856
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 4: those folks going to meet with me? But I got

857
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: to meet with these eight German lawmakers who wanted to

858
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 4: know my opinion on how to regulate cannabis, and so

859
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 4: I guess that's that's why it's so awesome to go

860
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 4: out there to learn and to interact with people that

861
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 4: I'd never otherwise have the chance to interact with.

862
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 2: And as you see that abroad, I'm curious, what are

863
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 2: your thoughts on what country has it the best right now?

864
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 5: You know, for their people, it's it's hard to say.

865
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 4: On some level, the United States has the best right

866
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 4: which I know sounds crazy, but I mean there is

867
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: more rob you know, in in many parts of this country,

868
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 4: you can easily walk in right and buy legal cannabis.

869
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: It's obviously not perfect, but you can't do that in Germany.

870
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 4: You can't do that in Spain. So obviously the US

871
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 4: isn't perfect, but the US has has moved ahead of.

872
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 5: A lot of other countries. And there's Senata too, which.

873
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 3: Is Canada's really good.

874
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: Israel sounds like they have it down pretty good too,

875
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: you know, I hear a lot of great things about Israel,

876
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: especially with all the research research that they're doing.

877
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: Is Amsterdam has been point four flats and exactly that

878
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 3: goes there. I mean they're the leader, right, and they've

879
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: had dispensaries and and you know, tea shops, smoke shops,

880
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: the whole nine. If you want to go see this,

881
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: we could have seen. You could have been on tour

882
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: many moons with us Ago were walking right through that

883
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: place going down because how it goes down. I mean,

884
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 3: it was out there. But you know, listen, is there

885
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: anything that we forgot that you want to bring up

886
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 3: before we let you get you know, oh.

887
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: No, we got to do the high five with this guy.

888
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: We haven't did the high five with Hirsh. Come on now,

889
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: the founder and CEO of Bernanda Strategy. Folks go to

890
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: the website at Ada Strategy dot com and of course

891
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: you can find them on ig at a Nanda Strategy

892
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: as well. Question number one, Hirsh, how old are you

893
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: the first time you smoked cannabis and where'd you get

894
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 2: it from?

895
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 5: I was fifteen the first time that I smoked.

896
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 4: I was in Colorado on a school trip and I

897
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 4: was with my boys. Dan Sheehan shout out to Graham Safti,

898
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 4: Sean Parice shout out to Justin Extein at the University

899
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 4: of Denver.

900
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the.

901
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: First time yeah, I love it. In college fifteen fifteen

902
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 3: in high school, he.

903
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: Might have been bucking mister smarty pan. Question number two

904
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: of the high five, what is your.

905
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: Favorite way to use or smoke cannabis?

906
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: I mean, now it's it's concentrates right now, it's bapes.

907
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 4: I think historically we all used flower, that's kind of

908
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 4: how we came up. But now that one, yeah, I

909
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 4: mean I work with them, so I'm a little biased,

910
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 4: but mammoth. I love those heavy hitters, you know, the

911
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 4: one grand like potent vapes, and I love to use

912
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 4: cannabis and run. So I'll go to the Hollywood Reservoir,

913
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 4: I'll hit that thing and I'll just run around. And

914
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 4: that's that's That's one of my favorite ways to use.

915
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: That's all. We like exercise and exercise, and yeah, I

916
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: don't mind working out, you know, and you know, hitting

917
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: some weed and working out. It's not a bad time.

918
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 5: Eighty percent of the NBA uses cannabis.

919
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: But helps you focus. I mean, yeah, they're not talking

920
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 3: about that is eighty percent.

921
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: I mean that's what That's what Tom Tolbert, former NBA player, said,

922
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 4: you know.

923
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: Oh you did. I could see that. I think I've

924
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 3: had conversations with you know, like Jim McMahon. And this

925
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 3: goes back to you know, eighties football, right in the eighties.

926
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 3: I think it was eighties and early eighties, a right, yeah, yeah, eighties.

927
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: He's like, dude, I smoked weed before every fucking game,

928
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: after every game, he said, And he said not to

929
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: put a bunch of other people on blast, but a

930
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: lot of people did. And he's just like, it's it.

931
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: And and I know a lot of NFL players that

932
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: have all said, hey, look yeah said they didn't. I'm

933
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 3: in fairness too, Like I know a lot of players

934
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: that I don't smoke. I never did. Well, we had

935
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 3: a what's his name on on the thing, the big guy,

936
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 3: the basketball player, John Sally. I know John Sally for

937
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: sure he was smoking, but it was not the one

938
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: that was a virgin for the longest time. Oh wow,

939
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: never smoked to this day.

940
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my boy Derek Deese, Yeah, super Bowl champion,

941
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: he don't smoke.

942
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: No, no, he never smoked. Yeah, a C Green you know,

943
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: he's never smoked. And and and and you know we

944
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: tried to get him to smoke with us on air,

945
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: but uh, you know, but he was also a Virgil

946
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: tell you it was like, you know, thirty or something. Yeah,

947
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: my boy Carney for the same fullback.

948
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: He didn't question number three of the high five hersh

949
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: craziest place you ever used cannabis or smoked?

950
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 4: You know, My dad and I a few years ago

951
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: we hiked to the base camp of Mount Everest, which

952
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 4: was a great father son experience, and I was.

953
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 5: Hitting my babe. I mean, this goes back to the

954
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 5: exercise thing.

955
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: Right, We're we're like fifteen thousand feet, you know, just

956
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 4: got all these like, you know, all these folks there

957
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 4: in the Himalayan mountains, and I was hitting that thing.

958
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 3: That's great, that's such a good time. Question kind of

959
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: get Teddy the show dog over here. Yeah, question before

960
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: the high five? What is your go to munchie after

961
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 3: you get high?

962
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 4: Probably ice cream of some kind, you know what I'm saying,

963
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 4: what kind of just a little embarrassing bubblegum ice cream

964
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 4: is fucking good and thrifty.

965
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 3: I know him.

966
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 4: I'm a six year old boy still when yeah, basking

967
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 4: Robbins used to carry it back in the day.

968
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: Oh, what's a picture of you when you're bubble dude?

969
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 3: This is crazy to say that, because I used to

970
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 3: always get the bubble gum, you know what I mean.

971
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 3: It's good because I used to get it, not even

972
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 3: that Bashton robles. I used to get it at the

973
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: local donut store about my house. Yeah, so I'll just

974
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 3: be at the donor store. They just both, you know,

975
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: pull it out. Is this you right here? A picture

976
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 3: of you as a youngster.

977
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 4: You know what's funny, that's actually not me. There is

978
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 4: one other person in the world that I've ever met

979
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 4: that has the same name as me, and that's him.

980
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 5: It's it's him.

981
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: Tell me, that's not you as a kid compared to

982
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: you now as an adult.

983
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 4: So I'm in the back right, the other two pictures

984
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 4: are him. I mean, it's the funniest thing. My name

985
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 4: is pretty uncommon. I rarely meet another Hirsh And I

986
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 4: met this other Hirst Jane, who's seven years younger than me. Right,

987
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 4: so I'm thirty five, he's twenty eight now. And this

988
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: guy is like, this guy's like a legend. That's that's

989
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 4: the crazy thing. This guy, he's the I mean, he

990
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 4: has a ted talk, right. He worked for the NSA.

991
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, I met I met him and we're

992
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 4: like friends now because we got the same name and

993
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 4: so anyways, that's not me. But he's seven years younger

994
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 4: than me, and if you google him you will see.

995
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 4: I mean he worked for the NSA. He works now.

996
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 4: He's the head of federal policy for a company called Palanteer,

997
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 4: which is a big shot company.

998
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 5: So anyways, I got this guy.

999
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 3: With random because I thought it was you. Was like

1000
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: a little I was like, that's cool that they did

1001
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: this whole combo picture for this dude, like you know

1002
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: what I mean, like a young one, a different one,

1003
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, those are great pictures of you.

1004
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 5: It's another Indian dude. The only other guy I've ever met.

1005
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 3: You guess kind of like a lot light too, right you.

1006
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: You're like it's a little yeah, that is so random

1007
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 3: and awesome. I love that dude. That is really cood.

1008
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 3: And you guys are kind of buddies. They met.

1009
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 5: I ran into him at a football game. No, I'm

1010
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 5: telling you, he came up.

1011
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: How weird is this?

1012
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 5: Check this out?

1013
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 3: All right?

1014
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 4: So he came up to me. I was like, why

1015
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 4: is this random Indian dude staring at me?

1016
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 3: Right?

1017
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 4: So I was like twenty four at the time. He

1018
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 4: was seventeen, this guy walks up to me. He's like, hey,

1019
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 4: are you Hurst Jane? And I was like, yes, it's like,

1020
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 4: my name is also Hurst Jane. I know what you

1021
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: look like because when I was young and the Internet

1022
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: was coming up, I would google myself and I would

1023
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 4: see your picture come up. And you know this kid,

1024
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: you know Hershey grew up in Michigan. I grew up

1025
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 4: in California. So you'd see like a you know, like.

1026
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 3: And where did you guys meet at?

1027
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 5: Okay, you know where we met.

1028
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 4: We met at the Harvard Yale game because is I

1029
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 4: was a third year law student at Harvard and he

1030
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 4: was a freshman undergrad at Harvard, and so I was

1031
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 4: just like, I mean shotgunning beers. I was super fucked

1032
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 4: up at this game with all of my lost school birds.

1033
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 4: And then he rolls up on me and says this

1034
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 4: to me. All my friends are like, this is crazy, right,

1035
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 4: and uh, I mean to It was an awesome, hilarious conversation.

1036
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 4: As I mentioned, he turns out to be an incredibly

1037
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 4: bright guy. We're like, yeah, we should get dinner sometime,

1038
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 4: and uh, you know it's not like I see him

1039
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 4: on the rag, but we stay in touch and I get,

1040
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 4: you know, once a week, I get an email for him,

1041
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 4: like for me, you know, and and still really I

1042
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: mean yeah, people will google it, will email Hirst Jane

1043
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 4: at gmail dot com and I'll be like, nah, dude,

1044
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 4: wrong guy, let me forward.

1045
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, email, You're like, hey, dude, this just came in

1046
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: for you.

1047
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 4: And oftentimes they'll be these like hot shot job offers

1048
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 4: because he's a really like well educated dude and I

1049
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 4: don't know anything about engineering, but they'll be like, hirsh,

1050
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 4: we would love for you to lead engineering.

1051
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 5: It's such and.

1052
00:45:53,160 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: Such Yeah, wrong one. Yeah, the money, but just talk

1053
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: to him, dude.

1054
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: Man.

1055
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 3: One of my one of my buddies is very very intelligent,

1056
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: you know, Harvard graduate and he uh, he has like

1057
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: three jobs that all work from home, and they're they're

1058
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: all paying like over like two hundred plus two hundred

1059
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: thousand a year. And you know, obviously they don't know

1060
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: that he has three at home jobs, but you know,

1061
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 3: he literally can just make He's able to manage all

1062
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 3: three of them.

1063
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 5: That's a movie right there.

1064
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 3: And you know what's crazy, and you know what's crazy,

1065
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 3: Oh my god, And what's crazy is I was like, dude, like,

1066
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: you know, we should get like five more jobs, you know,

1067
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: because people offer him jobs all the time, and I'm like, dude,

1068
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: I'll get the whole back room managing those jobs. You know,

1069
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 3: Scale is saying and making money off of two hundred

1070
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand job you got ten of them in

1071
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: the back you know what I mean. That's making it happen.

1072
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 5: To hold down three jobs. Must have some game.

1073
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, they haven't worked like three days

1074
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: a week, and you know what I mean, it's all right,

1075
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: pounds out emails. I think it's niece and someone else

1076
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 3: is helping them with some of the emails. Yeah, I

1077
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 3: mean it's pretty amazing, right, yeah, yeah, shout out to

1078
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: hersh Oh, I mean that was my that was what

1079
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 3: he told me. I want to on here.

1080
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: I think high off this pin because he's not going

1081
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 2: to number four at all.

1082
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 3: Yet already getting number four he did. Well, you know what,

1083
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 3: maybe I'm the idiot here. Don't over what you what

1084
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: is your goal munchies after you get high? I never

1085
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: heard that.

1086
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 5: I answer that.

1087
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 3: Did you you want to know the pink bubble down

1088
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: the high one pink pink? Oh? Yeah? Now? Did you?

1089
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 3: I think you blew in my mouth.

1090
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you forgot to ask me though dead

1091
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 5: or alive?

1092
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: But we're getting know that to me. I mean, it's

1093
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 3: that's why he's trying to put me. He's like, I'm

1094
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: waiting for I'm like, you're waiting. No, we're waiting on you,

1095
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 3: your big fat dummy. Oh me, he's trying to he's

1096
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: trying to take shots at me. Well I thought he

1097
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: was high thinking, well, not high again. But you know

1098
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: what I mean, I just you know, trying to take

1099
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 3: a shot, bottom line. But yeah, the shot.

1100
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 5: Turned my whole day around.

1101
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: Man, geez, I feel like I want to hit that

1102
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 3: pin now shots on me? Idiot? Maybe I did hit it.

1103
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 2: Question number five of the High five Hirsh Jane, the

1104
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 2: founder and CEO of a Nanda Strategy at Nanda Strategy

1105
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: dot com and on I G.

1106
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 3: If you can smoke cannabis.

1107
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 2: With anyone dead or alive, well eating bubblegum ice cream,

1108
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 2: who would it be?

1109
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 5: And why do you have to pick just one?

1110
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 3: No?

1111
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 5: Feel free and these can be fictional people too, totally.

1112
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 3: Hersh, don't smoke with your boy. Yeah the other little guy,

1113
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: the real smart one, but smarter one.

1114
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, Barack Obama would be my.

1115
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 3: I love that.

1116
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 4: I like that, Hoby love that right, true inspiration Stringer

1117
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 4: Bell from the Wire, which was I'd love the Wire,

1118
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 4: but which was Stringer Bell. Ringer Bell is Avon Barksdale's partner. Uh,

1119
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 4: Stringer Bell is known as the queen in the chess game.

1120
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 4: That is that is the Wire A truly bright but ruthless,

1121
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 4: ruthless man.

1122
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: The Wire was such a great show show, oh man.

1123
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 4: I mean the analogs to cannabis are perfect if you

1124
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 4: think about all of these different stakeholders, right, and all

1125
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 4: of their competing interests, and obviously the context of drugs

1126
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 4: and drug policy in urban spaces.

1127
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean, yeah.

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00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: That's Ticklis Baltimore, Right, was Baltimore Baltimore? Yeah, I love

1129
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 3: the Wire.

1130
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, twenty year anniversary, just did it?

1131
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? Oh So why Barack?

1132
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 5: Why Barack?

1133
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 4: I know, nobody's perfect, and I know this is a

1134
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 4: very politically divided time, but he's one of the few

1135
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 4: people in public life that I've seen that as I've

1136
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: seen more and more, that I haven't been disappointed by

1137
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 4: right in a deep way. And you know, I admire

1138
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 4: his intellect. I admire someone who tries to bridge the

1139
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 4: racial chasms in this society. Look, and I realized in

1140
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 4: this country forty percent of people hate him, right, just

1141
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 4: the way people hate political figures. But yeah, he was

1142
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 4: a big motivation for me to start doing criminal justice work.

1143
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: And oh really, yeah, he motivated you that.

1144
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 4: And you know, maybe another part of this answer is

1145
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 4: as an Indian American, it was the first time someone

1146
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 4: was running for higher office that I could at least

1147
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 4: somewhat identify with. Right, I couldn't relate to George Bush

1148
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 4: at all. I couldn't relate to Build Clinton at all. Right,

1149
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 4: they know, no parts of their lives tracked under mine.

1150
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 4: But I could relate to someone who had Indian roommates

1151
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 4: and had like a biracial heritage and wasn't used to

1152
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 4: seeing people like them right out there. And so as

1153
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 4: the president, and I say, yeah, so that that that

1154
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 4: really I think that captured part of my management.

1155
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 3: You know, I could I could identify that at a

1156
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 3: younger age for me, you know, and then as I said,

1157
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 3: as I grew up, you know, and I don't get

1158
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 3: stuck in that as much anymore, you know, but as

1159
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: certainly when I was younger, I could totally understand that,

1160
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 3: you know, and I don't mean young like your age.

1161
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: I mean like when I was in my you know,

1162
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 3: twenties and like that, I'd be like, man, like, how

1163
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: am I supposed to And I kind of like looked

1164
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 3: at him like, oh that the president. Give him respect.

1165
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 3: But I didn't understand like a lot of you know,

1166
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 3: the the culture of of you know, the way they talked,

1167
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: the way they operate. You know, he used to come

1168
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: in Clinton used to come out in boots and you know,

1169
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: cowboy boots and all, which you know, he was like

1170
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 3: one of the coolest presidents ever.

1171
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, that's a really that's yeah saying. I

1172
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 5: think it was Tony Morrison that wrote that, right.

1173
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, the first black president Clinton. I mean I didn't

1174
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 3: have no sexual I mean, he just was. He was

1175
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 3: a fool. I loved him. But yeah, I agree with

1176
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 3: the saying too.

1177
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: And then I'm I'm just so curious your thoughts on

1178
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: Kobe as well as.

1179
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 5: Dear Yeah, I mean Kobe, you know, Kobe is just incredible.

1180
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 3: I think.

1181
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 4: He had a dedication to his craft that was uncanny, right,

1182
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 4: just a wisdom about him, his focus. You know, there's

1183
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 4: a reason why you drive around LA and everywhere you

1184
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 4: see our beautiful Kobe Millers right. So obviously he was

1185
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 4: an athlete, but I think his philosophy, his life philosophy

1186
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 4: transcended athletics.

1187
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: What's your best Kobe memory?

1188
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 5: A moment?

1189
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 4: I think the best Kobe memory is the what you

1190
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 4: know Jalen Rose refers to as as and by For

1191
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 4: the record, I'm a Warriors fan but then and raised

1192
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 4: in the Bay, but I do love Kobe.

1193
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 3: You know Joe was on the doghouse.

1194
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, oh totally, Bro, I mean ninety four nine, baby.

1195
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 3: I didn't even know you do that, Okay, he had

1196
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: to do it.

1197
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 4: I remember I met Strawberry when was this Eric, Yeah, Bro,

1198
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 4: I came to the studio.

1199
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 3: My boy, Strawberry's doing his thing. Still he's killing it.

1200
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 5: Yeah. He was a character man.

1201
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 4: But my favorite Kobe moment was what Jalen Rose refers

1202
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 4: to us to get down lay down, which was after

1203
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 4: Shack fouled out in Game seven of the two thousand

1204
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 4: Finals versus the Pacers, and Shaq was a monster that series.

1205
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 4: Kobe was like, I got this and he he hit

1206
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 4: that shot and I don't know if you remember he

1207
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 4: hit the three and then he signaled to his own

1208
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 4: bench because they didn't believe in him yet, right, They

1209
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 4: still thought he was a young kid in shack and

1210
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 4: fouled out and he won them that series. And there's

1211
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 4: this little strut where he's like, I got this coat. Yeah, yeah,

1212
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 4: I remember that shout yeah, and there's yeah, I love

1213
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 4: it too.

1214
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 3: I don't know if you see this right here?

1215
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 5: Oh there you go.

1216
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 3: I mean should and you should. I'll get off there,

1217
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: so I don't know if you could do. And I'll

1218
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 3: send it to you, but I'll show you. Yeah, he's

1219
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 3: been a he's been a supporter of us for a

1220
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 3: long time. While man, the first time I met Kobe,

1221
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 3: you know, it was It's funny because I turned around,

1222
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: and I mean I just felt his presence, you know

1223
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 3: what I mean, And and he's looking down at me,

1224
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 3: like what's up, bro? And I'm like, what's up? Bro?

1225
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 3: I'm like Kobe, you know, it's just like hit. We

1226
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 3: had the same doctor, you know, and and and uh

1227
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 3: it was it was actually right kind of right before

1228
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,479
Speaker 3: he passed, unfortunately, And but it was it was cool

1229
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 3: because Joe and I had just talked about how Joe

1230
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 3: uh was you know, was with his daughter during Halloween,

1231
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 3: you know, and and his family during Halloween, during some

1232
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: kind of an event or whatever they were doing, and

1233
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 3: and he was shreking, you know, and he has a

1234
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 3: picture inside of his house with him and his kids

1235
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 3: or whatever. And and so I'm like, hey man, I'm

1236
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 3: you know, it's like I'm cannabis talk one on one

1237
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 3: and and and I was as I was like Joe,

1238
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 3: and he was like Joe Grande and he just like

1239
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 3: already knew, you know that Joe was part of that show.

1240
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 3: And I was like, and Joe's just down the street

1241
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 3: right now at the offices are off I was like,

1242
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 3: I want you roll by, and he was like, to

1243
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 3: be honest with you, He's like, I I got to

1244
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 3: go see my doctor and pick up the kids right afterwards.

1245
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 3: He's like, but I might pop through and see you

1246
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 3: guys sometimes. I'm like, He's like, tell Joe, I said,

1247
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 3: what's up? And I'm like, boom, I will. And it

1248
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: was a it was a you know, beautiful moment for me,

1249
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 3: just to have you know that that one connection. Yeah,

1250
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 3: folk and folks therefore were folks, Kobe, I gotta do it.

1251
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick shot. You know. We took our

1252
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 3: picture and and uh and.

1253
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: Him.

1254
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that an awesome story.

1255
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 4: One other thing I'll say is he wanted to be

1256
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 4: remembered as something beyond a basketball player, right, he says

1257
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 4: he said to Matt Barnes, like, I don't want to

1258
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 4: be remembered for the last twenty years, Like you know,

1259
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 4: the man won what like an Emmy, right, And he's like,

1260
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 4: I want to be remembered for the next twenty years.

1261
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 5: Who else do you know that would say something something.

1262
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 3: I say, Yeah, that's a good part of work, man. Yeah,

1263
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 3: so anything else will we forgot before we let you out?

1264
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 3: Man out here?

1265
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 5: No, thanks so much for having me on.

1266
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 3: This is awesome. I really appreciate it.

1267
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 5: Getting the chop up.

1268
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: No, man, we got to do more because I know

1269
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 2: you're going to be here next Thursday when the chambers here.

1270
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 3: But we've got to start figuring out what we could do.

1271
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 3: All right, utilize your card, hit it with that. You

1272
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 3: know how to drive right, just sort of you know, Yeah, man,

1273
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 3: I'll put you to work.

1274
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 5: Bro, just got a ticket for going one eighteen.

1275
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 3: Nice. Well you need to slow down, I know, just

1276
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 3: just keep pushing that back, pushing it back, pushing it

1277
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 3: back as far as he can, you know, what I mean,

1278
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 3: and then I hope he doesn't show up the court,

1279
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 3: and then so you have COVID and you can't make it. Yeah,

1280
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 3: keep pushing, hey, keep pushing it back. Man. Well, there

1281
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 3: it is, guys, Cannabis Talk one on one, and remember this,

1282
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 3: if no one else loves you'll.

1283
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,920
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1284
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,040
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1285
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,440
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