Speaker 1: How's it going, man, I'm good man. How you doing,
Speaker 1: I'm doing good. How does it feel to be a lizard?
Speaker 2: It's great, man, I like the hands. Yeah, it's an
Speaker 2: honor to be here. I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 1: Thanks. I'm a huge fan of you. I'm a huge
Speaker 1: fan of you. You're the can I tell you. You're
Speaker 1: a guy who I always look at. I'm very inspired
Speaker 1: by you. Like when I see you like zooming around,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that looks fucking sick. I'm inspired by
Speaker 1: how you are able to help these people. Thanks, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what has been the most persistent thought on your mind lately?
Speaker 1: If it? If I want to do serious stuff? Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I want to do funny stuff? Yeah, which direction
Speaker 1: I want to lean in? Yeah? Are you? Uh? What's
Speaker 1: driving you towards each what's driving to make funny stuff? Then?
Speaker 1: What's driving you to make serious stuff? Funny stuffs more marketable?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You can put funny stuff on t shirts and ye
Speaker 2: can go on World Star Hip Hop Twitter and everyone
Speaker 2: will comment the crying emojis on TikTok. But the serious
Speaker 2: stuff takes something from you. It takes a lot out
Speaker 2: of you.
Speaker 1: Really, do you get like emotionally exhausted on the serious stuff.
Speaker 1: But do you look back at it and you're just
Speaker 1: like really glad that you, like you went to these places? Definitely?
Speaker 1: Does it ever feel like not real? Like you will
Speaker 1: go and you'll film, like when you went into your
Speaker 1: film in Ukraine, and you look back on the place,
Speaker 1: I feel like it didn't happen, Or do.
Speaker 2: You really I've been dissociating steadily, you know, struggling with
Speaker 2: associations since I was like twelve thirteen, since I started
Speaker 2: smoking weed in middle school. I think, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: everything feels a bit surreal, But I actually feel more
Speaker 2: alive and more real the more I put myself like
Speaker 2: on the pulse of news events and what's going on,
Speaker 2: because it provides a level sense of grounding.
Speaker 1: Does it feel more real because it's happening to everyone
Speaker 1: at so you kind of almost folk you're a part
Speaker 1: of something.
Speaker 2: I think being a journalist, like a frontline journalist, is
Speaker 2: like an antidote to dissociation and derealization. Really, you're somewhere,
Speaker 2: you know, like Ukraine or something, and you're there and
Speaker 2: you're seeing stuff going on, and you're working, and then
Speaker 2: you check your phone or you check Instagram, and everyone's
Speaker 2: posting about that, right, So you are there, You are real.
Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense.
Speaker 2: Actually, in the timeline, a shared timeline and a shared
Speaker 2: space with other human beings, independent minds interwoven into the
Speaker 2: same timeline.
Speaker 1: Of course, you feel like you're part of the thing
Speaker 1: that everybody is. You're on a wedding ball with others.
Speaker 1: Whereas if you have a you know, like a corporate
Speaker 1: job or kids you don't like, then you sort of
Speaker 1: feel like you're living in a surreal Truman Show style
Speaker 1: infinite time warp. Do you like to spend a lot
Speaker 1: of time like by yourself.
Speaker 2: I'm an only child with divorced parents, so some of
Speaker 2: my earliest memories are, you know, throwing a ball against
Speaker 2: the wall as fast as I can, trying to get
Speaker 2: top speed. But yeah, you know, when you're an only child,
Speaker 2: you have.
Speaker 1: To force yourself to spend a bunch of time alone.
Speaker 2: So I do like to spend time alone, but I'd
Speaker 2: rather be with my best friends than alone.
Speaker 1: Do you consider yourself an introvert versus versus an extrovert?
Speaker 1: What's your take on that?
Speaker 2: Well, I would say that I'm an extroverted introvert.
Speaker 1: There's a do you ever hear the word ambivert. I
Speaker 1: heard it once.
Speaker 2: When I heard that, I was like, that's a great
Speaker 2: I used to date someone who was into astrology. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: moon signs cycles and whatnot, and I was described as
Speaker 2: a Taurus ambavert.
Speaker 1: When you, uh, what's what's your sign? Taurus? Yeah? Okay.
Speaker 1: So when you like go on the website and you're
Speaker 1: looking at all the things that it says that a
Speaker 1: Torus is supposed to be, do you look at NGO
Speaker 1: that does sound like me? Or is it? Yeah? Charismatic
Speaker 1: but stubborn. Charismatic with stubborn, likes to eat but not
Speaker 1: too much. Okay, that's me. What do you like to eat?
Speaker 2: Panda express? The two entrees in one side. I like
Speaker 2: orange chicken and the specialty item, which is honey walnut shrimp.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, it's got to be hot. Off
Speaker 2: is skillet where the kind of flaky golden stuff on
Speaker 2: the outside starts to melt down and it becomes disgusting.
Speaker 1: It's annoying. They actually charge you with like seventy five,
Speaker 1: like a dollars seventy five extra for the honey walnut trimp.
Speaker 2: Honey walnut shrimp and Angus pepper steak or premium charge
Speaker 2: of one twenty five love.
Speaker 1: I go to Pan Express all the time. I'm three
Speaker 1: to four a week. Really, yeah, what is the breakdown?
Speaker 1: You get the honey walnut shrimp and then well.
Speaker 2: If I'm really feeling myself, I'll do the honey walnut
Speaker 2: shrimp and then orange chicken together. But that's an unhealthy
Speaker 2: combination because they're both covered in you know, sugary sauce.
Speaker 2: So if I wanted to really do the right thing,
Speaker 2: I did brown rice and super greens. For the entrees,
Speaker 2: I'd get a split of kung pou chicken and orange
Speaker 2: chicken because kung paw is very vegetable dominant.
Speaker 1: Do you eat healthy? I have at times. I used
Speaker 1: to be like.
Speaker 2: A paleo guy. I did the paleo diet in college.
Speaker 2: I lost forty five pounds when I was a freshman
Speaker 2: in college just off of paleo lifestyle. Almonds, kale, you know, raws, salmon,
Speaker 2: white claw.
Speaker 1: When you're zooming all over the place and doing your thing,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, when you were on the RV
Speaker 1: and everything, were you how were you were you eating
Speaker 1: healthy or was that even like was what you were
Speaker 1: putting in your body like secondary to like the work
Speaker 1: you were doing.
Speaker 2: You know. I think the time in the RV was
Speaker 2: the ultimate descent into unhealthy you know eating habits. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because it was so many different gas stations, and you
Speaker 2: know every gas station has the same stock basically, Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course. So you know it went from you know,
Speaker 2: trail mix and beef jerkey, and then it just gradually
Speaker 2: went to pork rynes and pop tarts, and then it
Speaker 2: got to the point where I was eating like pickles
Speaker 2: in a bag and too ketos and.
Speaker 1: You into tornadoes. No, what's that? I think it's the
Speaker 1: off brand ta Keto. Well it's the same concept. Yeah,
Speaker 1: same concept. It's like meaty, cheesy thing wrapped in a
Speaker 1: what is that? What kind of bread is that? You know?
Speaker 1: You know the thing that I really like about being
Speaker 1: on the road is that you kind of have an
Speaker 1: excuse to eat shitty. Yeah, so you can justify the
Speaker 1: shitty food choices that you make a little bit more
Speaker 1: than when you get home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if you're in Oklahoma or one of those
Speaker 2: you know, barbecue states, Yeah, it's a rite of passage
Speaker 2: to eat barbecue, you know, But if you're eating mac
Speaker 2: and cheese and baby back ribs, you know, twice a day.
Speaker 1: For more than a few days, you can develop diabetes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm scared about getting diabetes because I definitely I eat
Speaker 1: the way that, Like, it would be unfair if I
Speaker 1: didn't get diabetes. What do you eat mostly I eat?
Speaker 1: I eat a lot of Pana express. I almost exclusively
Speaker 1: eat out, Like I don't have any plates or forks,
Speaker 1: or do you like uber eats or do you like
Speaker 1: the experience of being waited on? Well, uberries is just
Speaker 1: like it's it's unsustainably expensive because every eat meal is
Speaker 1: like forty five dollars. Yeah, how much do you tip?
Speaker 1: The drivers typically typically tip like, you know, fifteen twenty percent.
Speaker 1: I'm a fifteen percent guy too, because I used to actually,
Speaker 1: you know, ride my bike around when I was living
Speaker 1: in New Orleans and college and I was in Uber
Speaker 1: Eats bicycle career, you know, and they never tipped me anything,
Speaker 1: but I used to ask them for tips when I
Speaker 1: dropped it off. I want to ask you something in
Speaker 1: your in your personal life, when you're like just talking
Speaker 1: to people, do people ever like think you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: are you doing the thing where you're interviewing me? Right now?
Speaker 1: Do you people say that to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that like my interview style, which is
Speaker 2: just like agreeability and like trying courage a deep dive course,
Speaker 2: I do that in my day to day life. So
Speaker 2: sometimes people feel like they're on the show. But my
Speaker 2: eyes are the cameras.
Speaker 1: Which came first, like the the the did did the
Speaker 1: things like this agreeability in your conversation? Did that come
Speaker 1: before or after you you were interviewing people.
Speaker 2: I think it came way before, you know, because you know,
Speaker 2: when I when I was twelve thirteen, I wanted to, like,
Speaker 2: you know, I grew up in Seattle, so I wanted
Speaker 2: to smoke weed every day, but I would feel that
Speaker 2: my mom would catch me if I was anywhere where
Speaker 2: I could be seen by the public. So I would
Speaker 2: go under bridges into train tunnels, which I now realize
Speaker 2: were mostly you know, like heroin injection sites, and I
Speaker 2: would just get high on weed while users of other
Speaker 2: drugs got high on their drugs, and I would just
Speaker 2: talk to them for hours stone listening to the tragedies
Speaker 2: and triumphs of kind of like dejected people in that way.
Speaker 1: So you were getting your hours in even off camera,
Speaker 1: of like talking to.
Speaker 2: People are like, how do you withstand listening to such
Speaker 2: crazy shit all the time. I think that I've always
Speaker 2: sought it out because I'm interested by it.
Speaker 1: Do you are you motivated by the idea of like
Speaker 1: being eighty years old and looking back on your life
Speaker 1: and being like, we fucking did it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Definitely, because I want to have grandkids who are like
Speaker 2: watching videos of you know, myself when I was their
Speaker 2: age and being like, Wow, my grandpa was freaking crazy.
Speaker 2: How cool would that be? Because I don't have videos
Speaker 2: of my grandpa. All I have are you know, old pictures?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna have kids? I want to have kids
Speaker 1: real bad. What's a good age for you to have kids?
Speaker 1: You think eight twenty eight, that's coming up. That's like
Speaker 1: three that's like three years, three years away.
Speaker 2: But that way you can still connect with your kids,
Speaker 2: you know, like my parents have me when they were
Speaker 2: twenty five. Yeah, we're pretty close, whereas I have friends
Speaker 2: with super old parents and they couldn't be further from
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 1: But do you feel like you'll still be able to
Speaker 1: like live the kind of lifestyle like what you're living now,
Speaker 1: like with you when you have kids? Because I feel
Speaker 1: like you can kind of do whatever. You can bum
Speaker 1: around and like go places and like you're kind of
Speaker 1: you're free until you either like go to jail or
Speaker 1: you like get somebody pregnant and have a child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that you put it that way, maybe I
Speaker 2: don't want to have kids because that would limit my
Speaker 2: freedom of movement.
Speaker 1: Or I could just get a sick ass caretaker. You
Speaker 1: could get a sick as stakes.
Speaker 2: If I became like a millionaire or like a multimillionaire.
Speaker 2: If I keep going that way, I could hire like
Speaker 2: a super sick ass full time nanny. You could, you know,
Speaker 2: but then the kid might realize that I didn't like, you.
Speaker 1: Know, take care of it while I was crying and
Speaker 1: the infant stage, and just develop like a long term resentment.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: My dream is I want to be a divorced dad
Speaker 1: and like, you know, I get custody like every once
Speaker 1: in a while.
Speaker 2: Now whenever you want to be a divorced dad, yeah,
Speaker 2: Do you want to be a cool divorced dad is
Speaker 2: like let's go to game Works and six Flags? Or
Speaker 2: do you want to be like a dejected sort of
Speaker 2: alcoholic bus stop.
Speaker 1: No, I'll be a cool divorced dad. Yeah, Like I'll
Speaker 1: like fifty to fifty that way, Like, you know, you
Speaker 1: have your on time when you're with the kids, and
Speaker 1: then they'll go to their mother's house and then yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Could see you being a super cool divorced dad.
Speaker 1: Thanks. Man.
Speaker 2: What kind of stuff would you want to do with
Speaker 2: your kid? Like, how would you show the kid that
Speaker 2: you're cooler than his mom?
Speaker 1: I would, I feel like I wouldn't be competitive like
Speaker 1: I would. I would want to have a good relationship
Speaker 1: yea with the mom. I wouldn't, you know. I think
Speaker 1: I would want them to you know, I would try
Speaker 1: to talk to them kindly and positively, and I would
Speaker 1: want them to, you know, grow up to do that
Speaker 1: to other people. It's a boring answer. I should have
Speaker 1: said something like six flags.
Speaker 2: Or no, that's going to be a crazy life. Like Dad,
Speaker 2: what were you doing when you were you know, before
Speaker 2: I was born? Yeah, you're like having a lot more fun,
Speaker 2: Like I'll shut her up like a lizard and talk
Speaker 2: to people with stuff to say.
Speaker 1: You want to take some phone calls? I'm down.
Speaker 2: This is such an awesome concept. Ye, So for those
Speaker 2: who don't know, thus far, there has been no caller audio,
Speaker 2: but it's being fixed For an update, we just talked
Speaker 2: to our homie Kyle. He's at the gym Beautiful currently
Speaker 2: and he's calling in Cairo. Can you tell us a
Speaker 2: little bit about why you're calling in today?
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's okay.
Speaker 5: So basically I've been watching show for a while and
Speaker 5: I've been having this question in my head. So basically,
Speaker 5: my girl and I've been together for about a year
Speaker 5: and a half. You know, everything's great. I love her
Speaker 5: very much. You know, everything's fine, But this is one
Speaker 5: issue is that she doesn't give your head and I.
Speaker 6: Don't know to do.
Speaker 1: When is the last time that that happened.
Speaker 5: Like like she didn't want to give me.
Speaker 1: Head or option too?
Speaker 5: Oh uh.
Speaker 7: I mean it was like a month to or ago maybe,
Speaker 7: but it was more like I asked for it and
Speaker 7: then she didn't even you know, she didn't even like
Speaker 7: want to do it.
Speaker 5: She just kind of did it because I kind of asked.
Speaker 5: But I don't really ask like that, Like I don't
Speaker 5: bother her, you know what I mean. It's just like,
Speaker 5: you know, sometimes I just want to be pleased just
Speaker 5: the way I please her, you know.
Speaker 2: So just curious, what are your favorite things about your girlfriend?
Speaker 2: On the positive note.
Speaker 5: No, yeah, I mean a bunch of positives. Well, she's
Speaker 5: very independent. First off, I've been with other relations ships
Speaker 5: where girls are very dependent and it's like very toxic
Speaker 5: in a way. So she's very independent. She's she's very studious.
Speaker 5: She goes to college and stuff. So I mean at
Speaker 5: the end of the day, she has a plan for herself.
Speaker 5: And I feel like that's what I you know, I
Speaker 5: love her about her most is that, Yeah, independency, I
Speaker 5: guess mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: And you say that I just want to be you
Speaker 1: say that you you say that you give her head
Speaker 1: as well? How often does that occur?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 7: Man, I mean, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 5: I'm more of a pleaser, so I do it often.
Speaker 5: I mean basically every time we either do it or
Speaker 5: every other time. I mean we and we do it
Speaker 5: pretty often. I would say weekly. This is a girl
Speaker 5: will be like joking about it. Well, I mean we
Speaker 5: have sex.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ok, Sorr, I just have to clarify that. Well,
Speaker 1: well but yeah, I mean like so, well, well, let's cayrol.
Speaker 1: If you're a pleaser, wouldn't yeah, would you want to
Speaker 1: be probed? Wouldn't you be happy just pleasing? Why do
Speaker 1: you need this in your life. Why do you feel
Speaker 1: like you need this to be an added part of
Speaker 1: your sexual experience? Hmmm.
Speaker 5: Good, it's a good question. And I've been asking myself
Speaker 5: that too, because like it's I feel like it's very
Speaker 5: selfish of me, you know, like that one thing is
Speaker 5: just like that bothers me, you know, and it's like
Speaker 5: I don't know what I do about it. But I
Speaker 5: mean to answer your question, I guess the way you feels.
Speaker 5: I mean, like I guess like, yeah, sex is cool,
Speaker 5: but honestly, like I like had more occasionally, I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna lie. So yeah, it's very very weird talking about
Speaker 5: public sitting right now, but like, yeah, just be straight up. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know why.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for being so honest and open about this.
Speaker 2: Do you think that maybe you know, she is not
Speaker 2: doing that because she wants you to sort of progress
Speaker 2: and advance your your life in some way. So maybe
Speaker 2: that's awaiting you down the line as some kind of
Speaker 2: reward for you after you make developments in your physique
Speaker 2: and career.
Speaker 1: She wants you to earn it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's sort of a subtle indication like hey, kay, Cairo,
Speaker 2: you got to step it up and you'll know that
Speaker 2: you've hit that level when you know in return you
Speaker 2: receive what you've been asking for.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that?
Speaker 7: I mean, I do what you're saying.
Speaker 8: I get what you're saying.
Speaker 5: You know, you're saying like maybe I'm not maybe I'm
Speaker 5: not doing enough, or maybe I'll maybe she's not pleased
Speaker 5: with me. But honestly, like that, I don't.
Speaker 9: Think that's the case.
Speaker 5: Like I asked her why she doesn't do it, and
Speaker 5: she just basically says like she doesn't enjoy it, Like
Speaker 5: even before I got with her, she's had previous boysens
Speaker 5: and she's like she just was really never into it.
Speaker 5: And I mean, I mean, I don't know if this
Speaker 5: comes to the topic of why she doesn't. But she
Speaker 5: told me like she's also by and she doesn't like
Speaker 5: she basically hates men except for me, she told me.
Speaker 5: And I get that. And I mean, like, it's not
Speaker 5: like she doesn't do it, like oh my gosh, she
Speaker 5: never does it. It's just like I don't feel like
Speaker 5: she just doesn't want to or I don't know, it's
Speaker 5: very hard to explain. I just want to see what
Speaker 5: your thoughts on it. Maybe I don't know, I don't
Speaker 5: want to break up with her, but like, if this
Speaker 5: is going to be a problem, even if I want
Speaker 5: to marry her, you know, like, yeah, I don't want
Speaker 5: to be miserable, you know what I mean, like long term,
Speaker 5: long time. I'm thinking long term.
Speaker 9: I'm young. I'm only twenty.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so in college, you know, Yeah, what.
Speaker 1: Were you going to tell them, majem?
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: some people don't like Chinese food. You know, some people
Speaker 2: don't like some people prefer different types of food. I mean,
Speaker 2: if it's not her thing, man, it's not her thing,
Speaker 2: it's not something that she enjoys, then you're probably not
Speaker 2: going to be able to change that. And you know,
Speaker 2: I can't tell you what you know what to do,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't necessarily have to be sexual or anything.
Speaker 2: But if you're super bummed about something like that and
Speaker 2: it's not gonna to change, then I mean you might
Speaker 2: have to move on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean you were had him go through
Speaker 1: at the very beginning of this, all the positives of
Speaker 1: the relationship and all the other things. So I mean, look,
Speaker 1: relationships are a constant give and take.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if it makes you feel that bad. And
Speaker 2: you know that that's pretty telling, you know, if it
Speaker 2: makes you feel like roommates to have a roommate. I
Speaker 2: used to have a roommate who never washed the dishes,
Speaker 2: and so you know, I moved out because I didn't
Speaker 2: want to make a short chart.
Speaker 1: So you might have to move out or make some
Speaker 1: kind of chart.
Speaker 2: Don't make a chart, yeah, I mean, I mean I might.
Speaker 5: I mean to imployment a chart. I mean, I don't
Speaker 5: know how.
Speaker 6: About that I was.
Speaker 1: I was not being remotely serious about the art. Definitely,
Speaker 1: definitely do not don't make to make a chart. Don't
Speaker 1: make the chance.
Speaker 5: Oh oh, I mean I've probably been like maybe like
Speaker 5: a like a schedule.
Speaker 1: Of no no no, no no no no no, that's okay,
Speaker 1: we're vetoing the schedule.
Speaker 2: I would not suggest sharing a Google calendar document with
Speaker 2: certain days with the egg plant emogi on them.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. Avoid that.
Speaker 5: No, I use the I'm more of a banana Moji
Speaker 5: type of guy.
Speaker 6: That egg clap.
Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, kyro, is there anything you want to tell
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, I didn't even expect to be on
Speaker 5: I swear like this is just a problem I've been
Speaker 5: having for months. I've been listening to your podcasts for
Speaker 5: so long. I just want to see what you thought.
Speaker 5: But for the people, I mean, like you get said,
Speaker 5: if you need to move out, you need to move out.
Speaker 5: I guess that goes with any uh situation in your life.
Speaker 5: If things are not going your way, you can either
Speaker 5: stay there or you can just pack your bags and
Speaker 5: move out and see better things. I guess you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we hope you make the right decision. Kyron Cairo, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tyrol, thank you, and Andrew. I love you man,
Speaker 5: Uh love your videos and love.
Speaker 1: You take love you guys, love you too. Wow. He
Speaker 1: was so kind. He was actually you know, warm warm
Speaker 1: my heart a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because it's so interesting that people call
Speaker 2: here that vulnerable.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's like, oh my god, no one does
Speaker 2: that to me, really they do.
Speaker 1: But you know, I got to.
Speaker 2: Put myself in the right position in person, you know,
Speaker 2: to just call a line like this, knowing that there's
Speaker 2: you know, how many people watch this, uh.
Speaker 1: With the podcast it's like a few hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, ye that takes some confidence, so shout out
Speaker 2: to him.
Speaker 1: Interesting. So do you feel like it's uh because well,
Speaker 1: here we have the anonymousness, and it's a way different situation,
Speaker 1: like because the people that are calling, they're like they're
Speaker 1: on their own home base. They're like laying in their
Speaker 1: bed at their house, like their their names and their
Speaker 1: faces aren't there. But like you know, with what you're
Speaker 1: doing when people you have the camera and they're like
Speaker 1: on the spot. Do you think that he used a
Speaker 1: fake name? I don't. I don't some of these guys,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it occurs to them to use
Speaker 1: a fake name. That's what I would do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that I think about it, if it was
Speaker 2: a fake name and I didn't give any like super
Speaker 2: obvious details tipping people off that it was me, if
Speaker 2: they knew me, I would call here and to shut out.
Speaker 2: So now that I get it, it's kind of a
Speaker 2: dope concept.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like the I mean it's quasi anonymous
Speaker 1: because you know, people can't give them but they give
Speaker 1: a fake name.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: And I feel like the anonymous has definitely empowers people
Speaker 1: to like be vulnerable a lot more. Should we take
Speaker 1: another one? Hello? Hey, hey man, you're on the show.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, this is so exciting. Hi, Lyle and high Andrew.
Speaker 1: How you doing, man, how's it going? Man?
Speaker 6: It's it's I'm in a situation right now, but it's
Speaker 6: better now that you called.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us a bit about the situation that
Speaker 2: you're currently in?
Speaker 6: Okay, long story short. I was leaving town and my
Speaker 6: car started making some weird noises and doing all this
Speaker 6: mechanical stuff. So I turned around to go back into
Speaker 6: town to drop my car off at the place I
Speaker 6: had it recently worked on, and I explained to them everything.
Speaker 6: And I lived three hours away from this said town,
Speaker 6: you know, so my only rescue is my uncle right now.
Speaker 6: And I called him if he could come and pick
Speaker 6: me up, and he's like, okay. And I think that
Speaker 6: was about an hour and a half ago. And the
Speaker 6: shop closes at six pm, and so I gave the
Speaker 6: mechanic my keys, and I said, all right, I'm away
Speaker 6: in my car. So I waited my car and I
Speaker 6: fell asleep and then oh no, oh man, and they
Speaker 6: they locked the yard up. So I'm locked in here.
Speaker 6: But it's okay though, because I'm on therapy.
Speaker 1: Jeto, you're locked in the yard, and is your uncle still?
Speaker 1: I kind of got lost a little bit with the timeline.
Speaker 1: Is your uncle on the way or did he miss
Speaker 1: you and you have to spend the night in the yard.
Speaker 6: He's curling on the way, and I'm gonna have to
Speaker 6: jump this barbed wire fence and go on about the
Speaker 6: rest of my night.
Speaker 2: Is it barbed wire or is it razor wire? Can
Speaker 2: you take a closer look?
Speaker 6: Let me see, let me look at It's okay, it's
Speaker 6: jumpableth it's simple.
Speaker 2: Well, if if you're worried about scraping your hands or
Speaker 2: knees or whatever, take the carpet from under your feet
Speaker 2: where you sit when you drive, Take your carpet from
Speaker 2: the floor of the car, throw it over the barbed
Speaker 2: wire so you can grab on and use the leverage
Speaker 2: and just vault yourself over.
Speaker 6: Oh definitely. And if anything, I can dig under it.
Speaker 2: If I would not suggest digging a hole or tunnel
Speaker 2: under the barb wire fence, it might take you a
Speaker 2: long time, you know.
Speaker 1: Wait, do you have food and water? Man?
Speaker 6: I actually have a whole case of water in my
Speaker 6: car because I use that to work out after work
Speaker 6: during the week.
Speaker 1: Lucky, lucky man. That's convenient.
Speaker 2: Well, man, I hope that your uncle comes in time.
Speaker 2: It's a good thing. That's you know, non electric, non
Speaker 2: razor barbed wire.
Speaker 1: Use that carpet.
Speaker 6: Find your I'll find out if it's electric or not goth.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you want to say to the people
Speaker 1: of the computer or to me or Andrew before we go.
Speaker 6: Yes, definitely. I would like to say that I am
Speaker 6: the first Navajo to successfully call into therapy, Get go.
Speaker 2: Congratulations. Are you in a New Mexico or Arizona right now?
Speaker 6: I am in Arizona. That's where I reside.
Speaker 1: And what is the closest are you off? I forty?
Speaker 2: I am? Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I well, I am. I forty is about forty
Speaker 6: five miles south of where I reside.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're on the Arizona side. Oh okay, you live
Speaker 2: north of ice forty. So do you live?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What's closer to your house? Flagstaff or gallop?
Speaker 6: Gallop is closer. But I went. I drove all the
Speaker 6: way to Farmington, New Mexico, which is three hours away,
Speaker 6: because that's where I had to work done on my car.
Speaker 2: So you're stuck. You're stuck in northeast Arizona right now?
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, yep.
Speaker 1: Thank you for calling.
Speaker 8: Bro.
Speaker 2: I wish you the best for real Take Care of GOS.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I am appreciate your show so much. It's really
Speaker 6: helped me with my depression. And also, Andrew, I really
Speaker 6: enjoyed Channel five. I just recently got done with the
Speaker 6: hell Satan episode.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. What are your thoughts on those Satanists
Speaker 2: in that video.
Speaker 6: I believe they can do whatever they want. Anyone can
Speaker 6: do whatever they want as long as they positive.
Speaker 2: That's a wonderful message spoken like a true Arizona libertarian.
Speaker 1: Take care Goth, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Fuck Deven.
Speaker 1: Man. He really like called the perfect person. You gave
Speaker 1: him practical advice on how to get out of there.
Speaker 2: Well, because I've once you said he was NAVO, I
Speaker 2: know the boundaries of the reservation. Yeah, so I just
Speaker 2: thought about where he was, because if he's off I forty,
Speaker 2: you know, at like a quick trip or a you
Speaker 2: know circle K or pilot flying Jay, he's not stuck. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he's probably in like a small talent on the reservation.
Speaker 1: What did you tell him to do again? You told
Speaker 1: him to take the carpet out from his car and
Speaker 1: wrap the barbed wire in there. Wrap the part of
Speaker 1: the barbed wire that you plan to vault because that's smart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just makes it so you don't cut yourself.
Speaker 2: But barbs aren't too bad.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to know how you learned that.
Speaker 1: If you had to jump a lot of barbed wire
Speaker 1: in your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, just periodically. It's not like I go around,
Speaker 2: you know, doing an illegal parkour or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Right, dude, do you have your as that ever fucked
Speaker 1: you up?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you can get tetanus from the like
Speaker 2: rusty barbs if it's an old fence. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: barb barbed wire is easy. It just sounds scary.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm happy you were able to give him
Speaker 1: like a practical So a lot of the times people
Speaker 1: call in here and I'm like, listen, I'm happy to
Speaker 1: talk you through being locked in a in a auto yard,
Speaker 1: but I don't think I have a practical solution for you.
Speaker 1: But you gave him a very practical solution. Yeah, he seemed, uh,
Speaker 1: he seemed stoked to that guy's that was awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fuk with him. Yeah, let's talk to Gabby from DC.
Speaker 1: Gabby from DC, Hey, Gabby.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Gabby?
Speaker 3: Mem Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to the show.
Speaker 6: Gabby either Andrew either?
Speaker 1: Awhile, what's up?
Speaker 3: Notesn't much, just just chilling at home.
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing good? We're doing good. We're
Speaker 1: hanging out, it says here, Gabby, Gabby, can I can
Speaker 1: I tell the people what you told the call screener?
Speaker 3: Yes, of course.
Speaker 1: It says here that you recently ghosted your dumb What
Speaker 1: does that mean, Gabby? What does that mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I was in a dominant sub dynamic and
Speaker 3: yeah for about three months. It was kind of my
Speaker 3: first time trying it out. Cool for the most part,
Speaker 3: but I definitely ghosted the guy a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I feel I feel kind of
Speaker 3: bad about that. I feel like I just should have
Speaker 3: been upfront.
Speaker 1: But out of curiosity.
Speaker 2: Before we get into the whole ghosting thing, how does
Speaker 2: one go about meeting another person to involve themselves in
Speaker 2: a like BDSM subdom situation.
Speaker 3: That is a great question. There's a lot of people
Speaker 3: on tender actually, and uh, that's where I met this dude.
Speaker 3: And yeah, like his profile was kind of sketchy, a
Speaker 3: little bit, not gonna lie, but you know, like he
Speaker 3: gave me a Snapchat and we kind of just started
Speaker 3: talking there and he was like, yeah, obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: I hate for someone from my work to like find
Speaker 3: me on here or something like that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, can I Is there anything about his profile
Speaker 1: in particular that set off like red flags of sketchiness,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: In retrospect?
Speaker 3: Not really, but I guess initially, you know, when people
Speaker 3: don't have like pictures of their faces at all, and
Speaker 3: their pictures it's kind of like, oh.
Speaker 6: That's kind of weird.
Speaker 1: Did you have a pictures of his face? No?
Speaker 3: Not, not on his tender Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: So you gotta start talking. What was the first time
Speaker 2: that y'all hung out?
Speaker 3: We hung out actually, like we talked mostly like over
Speaker 3: text and on snapchat for about like three or four weeks,
Speaker 3: so it was a while, Like we chatted a while
Speaker 3: before actually meeting up, and yeah, eventually met up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Cool.
Speaker 2: First time was fun. You know, you guys had a
Speaker 2: good thing going for a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 8: It was cool.
Speaker 3: It's definitely something new. Yeah, Like he has like a
Speaker 3: certain specific set of rules for like subs, like entering
Speaker 3: his house, which is like a whole thing, like but yeah,
Speaker 3: it was it.
Speaker 4: Was cool, it was gone.
Speaker 1: Can we get the lay down on the rules? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I gotta take off your clothes at the door,
Speaker 3: and everything is yes, daddy, no, daddy, Thank you daddy.
Speaker 3: And I mean those are pretty those are pretty much
Speaker 3: the basics.
Speaker 9: I would say.
Speaker 2: Now, is there some sort of punishment that's inflicted if
Speaker 2: you break this code?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, most of them more like I guess, humiliation type
Speaker 3: punishments like doing jumping jacks naked or you know, something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: You know that is humiliating, It actually would be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine you're somebody's like, you got you're pissing me off,
Speaker 2: take off your clothes and give me twenty I'd be
Speaker 2: like Jesus Christ, Okay, so I got you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fun for a while.
Speaker 2: What prompted you to just decide to just ghost this
Speaker 2: dude as opposed to giving him a courteous goodbye?
Speaker 3: I think like over like the three months that we
Speaker 3: were hanging out and talking like and maybe I should
Speaker 3: have been more upfront about this myself and retrospect, but
Speaker 3: there was just a lot of give on my side.
Speaker 3: I feel like I wasn't receiving much in the war,
Speaker 3: you know, what I mean, Like it was just like, oh,
Speaker 3: good girl, and like that's cool, Like that's always wanted
Speaker 3: to hear. But you know it's I'm like, you gotta
Speaker 3: get you know, some more than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. Reminds me of the first color that
Speaker 2: we had. Yeah, it was talking about how he wasn't
Speaker 2: you know, definitely he didn't feel like he was getting
Speaker 2: what he was putting into the situation. Definitely did you
Speaker 2: try to ask for like a little bit more out
Speaker 2: of it?
Speaker 3: I did, Like initially I was like, hey, like, you know,
Speaker 3: don't I deserve a reward for this or whatever?
Speaker 1: You know? Is there like when you say a reward
Speaker 1: when you say, is there like a specific thing that
Speaker 1: you wanted him to do that he wasn't doing, not.
Speaker 3: Even really specific, like I would say, like I don't know,
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, maybe I get to maybe we
Speaker 3: get to do it in like a position that I
Speaker 3: prefer something or like that, like you know, being a
Speaker 3: sub like you're I'm down in like I'm I'm excited
Speaker 3: by like kind of stretching my limits and all that
Speaker 3: good stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, sometimes you you want to like also, I
Speaker 3: don't know, like, no, I hear you, So I have
Speaker 3: your own desires met.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we've established that he wasn't really holding up
Speaker 2: his end of the of the bargain in this situation.
Speaker 2: So what truly makes you feel bad about ghosting him?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 2: Why does that make you feel like something that you regret?
Speaker 3: I feel like I think that if I like it's
Speaker 3: I don't know, if I were more were vocal and
Speaker 3: maybe had like this whole conversation with him that like,
Speaker 3: you know, we probably could have remedied the situation or
Speaker 3: figured out, you know, how to how to like change
Speaker 3: things around, you know, or maybe have some different rules
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, it's it's kind of hard, like
Speaker 1: when you're when you're a sub part as part of you, like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not my place in the like subdom dynamic to
Speaker 1: like back up about what you want. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: hard way to It's a hard thing to maneuver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you have to be like end scene. Yes, you
Speaker 1: have to be Yes, you have to be like let's
Speaker 1: take out of let's get out of this for a second.
Speaker 1: I need you to dominate me this way, okay, three
Speaker 1: two one.
Speaker 2: Because being a sub doesn't mean, you know, being submissive in.
Speaker 1: A healthy conversation, of course. Yes, of course, there's got
Speaker 1: to be a point where you're.
Speaker 2: Like, all right, we're done with our whole subdom thing,
Speaker 2: Like can you can you just be less of a dick?
Speaker 1: You know, it's a hard it's a hard it's a
Speaker 1: hard thing to man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you're supposed to say, like shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2: I mean like you're just don't say anything to me.
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, it's really slowed down. Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 1: We stop doing this, we stop doing the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, I feel like the people,
Speaker 1: like I feel like people in that community they have
Speaker 1: to have the ability to like, Okay, let's step out
Speaker 1: of our roles for a second and like talk like adults,
Speaker 1: get everything on the same page, and then we'll go back. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, the BDSM people are like the most hyper aware
Speaker 2: of that kind of stuff, of.
Speaker 1: Course, yeah, because they have to be Communication, yeah, is
Speaker 1: like the key for them. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do think that, like the subdom thing,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know anyone who's had that going on,
Speaker 2: but it seems like it could work.
Speaker 1: You know, that was healthy communication. Are you going to. Okay,
Speaker 1: So now that you've got this guy, Gabby, are you
Speaker 1: going to like go back out and try to find
Speaker 1: a new domb or are you taking a break?
Speaker 3: You know, like I do want to get back out there.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely gonna try that, and yeah, hopefully this time around.
Speaker 3: I don't know, like I think now that, like I've
Speaker 3: been talking to you guys about it, I realized that
Speaker 3: we never had like those breaks.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, you should. You should have had this conversation.
Speaker 2: You should have had this conversation. You definitely should have listen.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm curious when you say ghosted, Like how
Speaker 2: many times has he texted you now to novel?
Speaker 3: About seven times? And I just I just have not responded?
Speaker 1: Did do you? Is there like because you have okay,
Speaker 1: so you obviously care about this. You obviously feel like
Speaker 1: a weird sort of moral conflict because if you didn't,
Speaker 1: you would you wouldn't even be calling us right now.
Speaker 1: So would reaching back out to him settle any like
Speaker 1: anxiety going on in your brain about the situation or
Speaker 1: or do you just want to move past it?
Speaker 3: I think I just want to move past it. I
Speaker 3: feel like if I reached back out now, it'd be like,
Speaker 3: you know, like what the fuck like it's been. It's
Speaker 3: been a couple of weeks, so I don't think I'm
Speaker 3: gonna like yeah.
Speaker 2: I like to give you a piece of advice on this,
Speaker 2: because obviously, if this guy is going out seeking some
Speaker 2: seeking these kinds of arrangements, he should probably know where
Speaker 2: exactly things went wrong so that he can be a
Speaker 2: better dumb to other people in the future. So if
Speaker 2: I was you, I would I know it's a getting
Speaker 2: probably awkward, but this is the healthiest thing to do.
Speaker 2: You don't have to do it is text him and say, hey, man,
Speaker 2: you know I'm sorry that I've left you on red
Speaker 2: seven times. There was a lot of points in our
Speaker 2: in our arrangement where I felt like I wasn't really
Speaker 2: getting what I wanted out of it, and I felt
Speaker 2: like we should have had a better conversation. I had
Speaker 2: a great time hanging out. For the time being, I
Speaker 2: feel like doing my own thing now. I hope you
Speaker 2: have a great rest of your life. Let me know
Speaker 2: if you're any sort of urgent circumstance that you really
Speaker 2: need to talk to me or something, and I'll be
Speaker 2: I'll be here for you.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Yeah, what do you think about that, Gabby?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think I could definitely send something
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, I think I might do I think
Speaker 3: I might just do that.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that you should.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think it would make you feel better, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure that it would make him feel better because
Speaker 2: the problem with ghosting is that there's so many unanswered questions. Obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, you opening up to us, we understand, you
Speaker 2: know why that happened, but you know he's probably in
Speaker 2: the dark thinking like, holy shit, what did I do?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like, why does this person
Speaker 2: hate me?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He deserves some clarity as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's a cool guy. I don't I don't
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can send that text and then just block him,
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Gabby?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 1: Do you do you feel like in the future you'll
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, start to adapt a little
Speaker 1: bit more communication with the people that you, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: engage with in this in this way?
Speaker 3: Definitely? I think, like maybe because it was like my
Speaker 3: first time trying something like that, I didn't really know like, oh,
Speaker 3: can I like speak up really about this or you know,
Speaker 3: does this always have to be this way, so I
Speaker 3: think like moving forward, Like I don't know, I I
Speaker 3: definitely you know, see myself like having those conversations up front.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, Gabby, thank you very much for being
Speaker 1: vulnerable with us and taking us through the situation. Is
Speaker 1: there anything that you want to say to the computer
Speaker 1: before we go?
Speaker 3: Love you guys, chat and love you Lyle and.
Speaker 1: Andrew, Thank you, Mat, Thank you so much. It really
Speaker 1: appreciates you opening up to us and coming on. Take care, Gabby.
Speaker 2: Bye.
Speaker 1: Wow, Gabby was really cool. She was really cool. It's
Speaker 1: really sick. Yeah, I'm I'm I love a call where
Speaker 1: like I feel like we all we all learned something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I learned, especially too, Like I'm a I'm
Speaker 2: a pretty confident person and you know, my job is
Speaker 2: like talking to people all the time. I'm super good
Speaker 2: at being upfront and being like this is how I feel,
Speaker 2: this is what I want. But there's a lot of
Speaker 2: people out there who are afraid to, like you know,
Speaker 2: really express their needs and once totally just kind of
Speaker 2: let things sit and hope they figure themselves out. And
Speaker 2: like I understand that, Like obviously those kinds of people
Speaker 2: don't like confrontation, so they want to you know, keep
Speaker 2: things smooth. But I think it's always healthy to just
Speaker 2: like figure out how to address something.
Speaker 1: Do you, like, do you date people or are you
Speaker 1: too like focused on on the career and.
Speaker 2: What I'd like to you know, but my I guess
Speaker 2: travel schedule, you could call it, the job that I
Speaker 2: have makes it hard because you know, like I'm constantly
Speaker 2: moving around and I'm always gonna put.
Speaker 1: Like that right now.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, down the line, I think it'd
Speaker 2: be pretty sick to have like a monogamous wife type relationship.
Speaker 1: At some point in my life. But yeah, I do
Speaker 1: date here and there. Are you on like the Tenders
Speaker 1: and stuff like that? Not really on Riyah.
Speaker 2: I actually recently got accepted to Rayah, and I just
Speaker 2: like went on to see if it was like real
Speaker 2: deal celebrities. I was hoping it would be like the
Speaker 2: the Beebers of the World totally, Carlie raid Jepson totally.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what that is. But Lana del
Speaker 2: Rey like Anne Hathaway. But it's just like a you know,
Speaker 2: senior marketing advisors from Miami, and like, you know, I
Speaker 2: guess that's like the girl equivalent of like a bitcoin
Speaker 2: crypto guy.
Speaker 1: As a as a advisor, just someone who has manages
Speaker 1: and represents influencers. Is there like a type of person
Speaker 1: you're looking for, or like the type of person you
Speaker 1: feel like you jive with well in a relationship.
Speaker 2: Oh, like like city people. City people, Yeah, like people
Speaker 2: who move fast, think fast, confident city walkers.
Speaker 1: Do you want someone who is like you or somebody
Speaker 1: who's like a compliment to you?
Speaker 2: Probably a compliment because like I'm a pretty chaotic person.
Speaker 1: You want someone who is a little bit more, someone more.
Speaker 2: Grounded and centered, but also like has it like a
Speaker 2: lot of endurance for like Shenanigans because you know we're
Speaker 2: switching states every couple of days.
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, like, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's hard to date someone who goes from like a
Speaker 2: Trump rally to Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Right, someone who's like on board with you, but like
Speaker 1: you know, when you're like that, she'll kind of be like,
Speaker 1: hey remember.
Speaker 2: Someone who like really does their own thing to where
Speaker 2: I can be stoked as well. Total total I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's sick that you did that, not just like compliment.
Speaker 1: All the time.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, yeah, I really don't prioritize dating though.
Speaker 2: Are you a guy like with with Gabby. You gave
Speaker 2: hers like a great you gave her like a.
Speaker 1: Great thing to text that guy. Yeah, and you're with
Speaker 1: your friends and like just the people you know in
Speaker 1: your personal life? Are you you the guy people go
Speaker 1: to when they have something going on?
Speaker 2: And just since the rise to whatever, like viral fame, Yeah,
Speaker 2: over the past couple of years, I've dealt with a
Speaker 2: lot of manipulators and really shitty friends and partners and everything.
Speaker 2: And just like people manipulating, you know, people treat you
Speaker 2: different and they do different things to you know, feel
Speaker 2: like they can control you. You have traction and stuff
Speaker 2: going on. Yeah, So I've just developed different strategies to like,
Speaker 2: you know, end things or start things on a good note.
Speaker 2: So like I just know like what to do in
Speaker 2: that those kinds of situations.
Speaker 1: So being the subject of like, you know, people manipulating
Speaker 1: you because of like the rise, has that changed your
Speaker 1: trust level sort of?
Speaker 2: But I mean I look at it as a positive
Speaker 2: because it makes me realize, Okay, who are my actual
Speaker 2: friends who's like near me?
Speaker 1: For clout That sounds dumb, but that's why. No, I
Speaker 1: mean it's a thing that just.
Speaker 2: Naturally my friend group has tightened up a lot to
Speaker 2: where like I spend a lot of time with my
Speaker 2: two best friends. Of course I don't have like five
Speaker 2: groups of best friends in different cities like I did
Speaker 2: when I was twenty two. Yeah, I have like five
Speaker 2: to six close friends, and so I don't really deal
Speaker 2: with that kind of stuff anymore.
Speaker 1: But it was that.
Speaker 2: Middle ground where I was like exploding in popularity online
Speaker 2: while trying to have a normal life.
Speaker 1: Things were more difficult. And you work with your two friends,
Speaker 1: Nick and Evan, Yeah, what's your relationship like with them?
Speaker 2: I mean they're just you know, day to day best friends. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, they helped me through everything. I help them
Speaker 2: through everything. But yeah, I mean we lived in the
Speaker 2: RV together, and you know.
Speaker 1: Is it like because a lot of the times it's
Speaker 1: like really hard to like work with people who are
Speaker 1: also your like your genuine like good friends. Is there
Speaker 1: ever any like conflict or anything?
Speaker 2: Only because we're so in sync and we do things
Speaker 2: on our own terms like totally, you know, I mean, are.
Speaker 1: The roles pretty heavily defined? Everyone knows what they do.
Speaker 2: The interviewing, and like I have the final say on
Speaker 2: the edits typically like Nick is like the best music
Speaker 2: scoring person. Ever, he's also like really nice with the
Speaker 2: cameras and just like visually gifted Evan's Evan's sort of
Speaker 2: like all in one, you know, because Evan doesn't really edit,
Speaker 2: doesn't really interview, but he helps just to write them
Speaker 2: out with everything and also like manages things on like
Speaker 2: the business and scheduling side, because that's kind of like
Speaker 2: where he's oriented. But like, yeah, it's a good team.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want it to be any bigger or any smaller.
Speaker 1: And so I remember reading somewhere like one of them
Speaker 1: is your college friends, Yeah, and one is your high
Speaker 1: school friends. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Evan and I went to high school together in Seattle. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Nick and I am met in college in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: And then did you take them and kind of bang
Speaker 1: them together? And now they're best friends as well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're definitely best friends. Nice, it's a three way
Speaker 2: best friend just triple triangle?
Speaker 10: Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it hard when you have to like work with
Speaker 1: people like outside of the tight we.
Speaker 2: Have a couple of people like our homie Nate, like
Speaker 2: we trust a lot. Yeah, there's definitely people our friend Kendra, like,
Speaker 2: there's people who we work with are like solid.
Speaker 1: But it's a small network.
Speaker 2: Because it does because it should be small totally don't
Speaker 2: need that many people around.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like when I'm used to like giving good advice for
Speaker 2: like ending thing, Yeah, like I.
Speaker 1: Know how to trim the fat because you've had the end. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I used to work for.
Speaker 2: A giant media company, but doing things media, of course
Speaker 2: we had to separate and I had to I had
Speaker 2: to send I had to, you know, send a lot
Speaker 2: of text messages like that.
Speaker 1: You know, so you're not you're totally comfortable with you
Speaker 1: can have You're good having hard conversations, Yes, definitely nice.
Speaker 1: That's it's an important skill to have. I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of people want to just speaking up at
Speaker 1: the right time and being like yo, fuck this, so
Speaker 1: what the trust thing? And like, you know, knowing, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to figure who your real friends are. Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you've been all over the world talk to all
Speaker 1: sorts of people. Do you think people in general are good? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You think the default person has a oh definitely, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to suggest otherwise would just be like
Speaker 2: so nihilistic totally. I mean I do think that like
Speaker 2: everyone has you know, really has a bad side to them,
Speaker 2: you know, And there is groups of people that are
Speaker 2: more aggressive than others and more hateful than others. But
Speaker 2: I think it generally, especially if someone becomes comfortable and
Speaker 2: they're in their element, they're a good person. I think
Speaker 2: there's people that get into unfamiliar environments, like imagine like
Speaker 2: someone from you know, Southeast Portland. Yeah, getting like dropped
Speaker 2: in the ozarks, right or Rice versa, It brings something
Speaker 2: out of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would just be.
Speaker 2: More combative, more aggressive, because you know, uncomfortability breeds hostility.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're in like a tight spot, you're
Speaker 2: just like you lash out because you're like, oh I
Speaker 2: feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I think most people are good. So is
Speaker 1: there any type of situation because you've been in all
Speaker 1: these situations, is there anything that like does make you uncomfortable?
Speaker 1: Just like racist shit?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like that, of course, something about that,
Speaker 2: like you just like I can I can listen to
Speaker 2: a lot, but I cannot agree or like level with
Speaker 2: someone who's like on their like N word shit.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had somebody like just really going at
Speaker 1: it like that into the mic and you had to
Speaker 1: pull away? Honestly?
Speaker 2: In those moments I keep the mic there. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: I got to show the ignorance. Yeah, of course I
Speaker 2: can't withdraw on the eleventh are you.
Speaker 1: Are you fightings back like saying something?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because of how I was raised around a
Speaker 2: lot of different, you know, types of people, like when
Speaker 2: when white people get really racist, I just can't. It
Speaker 2: just makes me so mad. But yeah, I don't do
Speaker 2: it that too much. But yeah, that that shit pass
Speaker 2: me off for sure.
Speaker 1: Hey do you want to take more calls? Yeah? Sure,
Speaker 1: talk to Liz. This is a cute one. Liz.
Speaker 8: Hello, I didn't think I would actually get through.
Speaker 2: You have a very kind voice here, might be of
Speaker 2: a kindergarten teacher.
Speaker 9: Thank you.
Speaker 8: That makes me very happy.
Speaker 1: You just made my night, Liz. It says here that
Speaker 1: you have a habit of stealing plants off of your
Speaker 1: college campus grounds and then gifting them to your professors.
Speaker 2: That's not a problem, No, it's not.
Speaker 8: It's actually really wonderful. Okay, So I'm a biology major.
Speaker 8: I'm actually graduating tomorrow, which is crazy. But I love
Speaker 8: plants so much. I feel like they're very underappreciated, and
Speaker 8: whoever does the landscaping in my college does an awesome job.
Speaker 8: So whenever I see a biology professor who does not
Speaker 8: have a plant in their office, I just borrow a
Speaker 8: plant from campus and transfer it, you know.
Speaker 2: And I think that colleges are grossly overfunded, just like
Speaker 2: corporations are. So I think that by stealing from someone
Speaker 2: like a large university or like a Walmart, you're actually
Speaker 2: creating jobs because the absence of the foliage will cause
Speaker 2: them to hire more landscapers, just like if Walmart is
Speaker 2: missing toothpaste, they will, you know, just place another order
Speaker 2: at Colgate.
Speaker 1: It's a drop in the bucket.
Speaker 2: And the delight that you're causing your professors to expec
Speaker 2: experience it's more important than any sort of financial loss
Speaker 2: your college could take.
Speaker 8: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 4: I like that justification.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, now I've got a question, Liz. Do the
Speaker 1: professors know that the plants are stolen from the campus.
Speaker 8: A couple of them? Do I waited for like the
Speaker 8: last minute too, to tell them that a couple of
Speaker 8: the plants that gave them were not mine originally.
Speaker 1: Do they ever have a problem with there? Are they
Speaker 1: ever like I can't accept this on those grounds?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 8: No, because I tell them by the time they've grown
Speaker 8: like kind of emotionally attached to them. Because I encourage
Speaker 8: everyone to name their plants. I think that just really
Speaker 8: establishes that, like this is mine.
Speaker 1: Now. Is that the most illegal thing you've ever done?
Speaker 8: Ooh, that's a good question, thank you. I don't live
Speaker 8: a very dangerous life.
Speaker 1: Think high school?
Speaker 8: High school?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 8: Is that one time?
Speaker 1: No? Like driving? Okay, you egged a house?
Speaker 2: Was it a random house or was it the house
Speaker 2: of an enemy?
Speaker 8: So I was at a sleepover with a bunch of girls.
Speaker 8: I was on like the volleyball team in high school.
Speaker 8: So this is what we did every year for like
Speaker 8: team bonding, And then we did drugs as a team too,
Speaker 8: and did something bad?
Speaker 1: Which which drugs did you do?
Speaker 2: Are you talking about, you know, doing pharmaceuticals out of
Speaker 2: your parents' medicine cabinet? Are we talking about heading downtown
Speaker 2: to score some smack?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 8: No, we're just talking about like terrible week?
Speaker 1: Okay, bad weed? Are are you? Are you from a state? Where?
Speaker 1: What state are you from?
Speaker 8: I'm from North Carolina?
Speaker 1: Okay that that that adds up in terms of bad weed. HM.
Speaker 1: So so do you have any do you have any
Speaker 1: desire to like get into danger like is danger like
Speaker 1: does it call out to you at all? Or are
Speaker 1: you perfectly happy living without it?
Speaker 8: You know, I think I do want a little bit
Speaker 8: more of a thrill in my life. I think I do,
Speaker 8: like objectively, like I guess like I'm not afraid to
Speaker 8: say things or just ask in a very authentic way,
Speaker 8: which kind of gives me a thrill sometimes. So like,
Speaker 8: as a side note, I have this condition that makes
Speaker 8: me faint all the time, like I passed out, and
Speaker 8: after passing out and in front of enough like three
Speaker 8: hundred percent lecture halls, I just like don't care anymore
Speaker 8: about many things.
Speaker 2: And it's wonderful, absolutely, And I'm sure the professors are
Speaker 2: just delighted to receive these plants. So I think that honestly,
Speaker 2: you should keep doing what you should, keep doing what
Speaker 2: you're doing. I think that on the moral totem pole,
Speaker 2: you're doing more good than harm. And Liz, just keep
Speaker 2: racking those plants, keep making professor's days. Congratulations on graduation.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I have to totally prepare for that tonight.
Speaker 10: I neglected to do that, Liz before we go, do
Speaker 10: you have any like the people out there who maybe
Speaker 10: hear this conversation and are inspired by you and all
Speaker 10: the joy that you get out of plants.
Speaker 1: Do you have a recommendation for a plant for like
Speaker 1: a first time or someone who's like, man, I'm really
Speaker 1: inspired by Liz. I want to get a plant. What
Speaker 1: plant should they get? Liz?
Speaker 8: Oh, okay, I know exactly. Okay, So there's a plant, like,
Speaker 8: it's a hawthornyon plant.
Speaker 2: Say that one more time. Hawthornia zebra zebra. Okay, Hawthornia zebra.
Speaker 8: This thing is so hard to kill. Like I've had
Speaker 8: one of them for like eight years now, and it
Speaker 8: keeps on propagating and it's kind of overwhelming actually, because
Speaker 8: now I have multiple hawthornious zebra plants and they're all
Speaker 8: propagating at the same time, and I really just can't
Speaker 8: take as many baby plant.
Speaker 1: Thank you, beautiful. I feel like we're gonna I feel
Speaker 1: like at some point I'll get a DM from someone
Speaker 1: who's like showed takes a picture of their plane, like
Speaker 1: I bought a hawthorniy and zebra plant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to improve somebody's air quality and mental
Speaker 2: health in the chat right now. Well, thank you for calling, Liz.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Bye bye, what a nice person. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she was super cool. Fact that she's doing something so
Speaker 2: misdemeanorish and she feels bad enough to call in for
Speaker 2: the for moral resolution.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. Do you do you have a plants?
Speaker 1: Do plants?
Speaker 2: I always get plants, Like I become plant guy, like
Speaker 2: a couple times a year. But then I leave town
Speaker 2: and my plants always die.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So every I've gone to like nurseries here and spent
Speaker 2: like four hundred bucks freshest like ceramic pots, sickest plants,
Speaker 2: and then I'm like, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Take care of you, you know.
Speaker 2: And then I go somewhere and I end up like
Speaker 2: on the East Coast for a month, and I come
Speaker 2: back and it's just like a plant graveyard.
Speaker 1: But what kind of plants do you typically get when
Speaker 1: you get plants?
Speaker 2: Dude? I just basic ones, A couple of ferns.
Speaker 1: When you get when you get a plant, what do
Speaker 1: you like looking? What need are you looking to fill
Speaker 1: with the plants?
Speaker 2: I like sort of a you know, wide plumage, you know,
Speaker 2: sort of hanging hanging plants. I like when they drape
Speaker 2: down from the ceiling and make my walls look like
Speaker 2: they're covered in ivy. Yeah, good amount of money.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Hey, you're on the show. Where do
Speaker 1: you think he is right now?
Speaker 9: If you make a.
Speaker 2: Guess, Harrison's at the grocery store. He's ordering raisins. Do
Speaker 2: you know that you're on the show? Is this a
Speaker 2: pocket dial show?
Speaker 1: You're on the show? Brother a bunch of people? Hello,
Speaker 1: what's up man?
Speaker 4: What's up man?
Speaker 1: How are you doing good? See your question?
Speaker 2: Says Harrison from Ohio wants to ask Gek and Andrew
Speaker 2: if he should continue to use shrooms and acid?
Speaker 1: Can you tell us about that?
Speaker 4: Yes, I would love to talk about that.
Speaker 8: I I did a.
Speaker 1: Hold on one second, Harrison, Harrison. Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: You can hear me? Harris Harrison? Am I are we
Speaker 1: on like the cars speakerphone or like a speakerphone or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 4: Catch I'm outside right now? Is that better?
Speaker 1: Okay? That's way whatever you just did way better?
Speaker 8: All right?
Speaker 2: Bet?
Speaker 1: Okay? What you were sorry? You were you were explaining,
Speaker 1: you were explaining to us your question. You know.
Speaker 2: It says here that you're twenty two, your name's Harrison,
Speaker 2: You're from Ohio, and you'd like to ask us if
Speaker 2: you should continue to use acid and shrooms.
Speaker 1: Can you explain.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So throughout the week, I'm usually working and I
Speaker 4: usually kind of average on doing like a tab tab
Speaker 4: and a half every like two days, and at night
Speaker 4: just tripping my balls off off some good shit. And
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's fucking with my brain because
Speaker 4: I've been having these weird dreams lately, and I'm on
Speaker 4: the medicine to help me with the dreams, but it's
Speaker 4: fucking weird and I don't know if I continue to
Speaker 4: bounce it out or uh.
Speaker 2: Uh, what type of medicine are you taking to cope
Speaker 2: with these dreams?
Speaker 4: It's like a one milligram of it's pros and I
Speaker 4: just started on I need to look at them, not prozac.
Speaker 4: It's like Prosian. Honestly, if you look up like the
Speaker 4: only the only like pill that can help with like
Speaker 4: nightmares or some ship it's just that it's like one
Speaker 4: till I don't know what specifically called. So uh yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just makes me have these weird dreams.
Speaker 2: So what happens in these nightmares that you're describing.
Speaker 4: Well, they're not really like nightmares. They're more just like
Speaker 4: like it kind of like manifests into my daily activities,
Speaker 4: like like my day from like the last whatever, Like
Speaker 4: I'll just have dreams about that and it'll just be
Speaker 4: like a weird like you like weird shit I'll see
Speaker 4: throughout the day, Like I don't know. It's like I'll
Speaker 4: see I don't even know, Like it's it's basically like
Speaker 4: a story like gone wrong, like throughout the day. It's
Speaker 4: like a fucking car crap or like like just some
Speaker 4: weird events and I don't know how to interpret that.
Speaker 2: Well. I would say this, like, you know, when I
Speaker 2: did a lot of those kinds of drugs when I
Speaker 2: was super young, and because of that, you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of people know that I have something called HPPD,
Speaker 2: which is hallucinogen persisting perception disorder, so that I have permanent,
Speaker 2: you know, visual problems like visual snow and floaters and
Speaker 2: tracers and such from not abusing just using a bunch
Speaker 2: of shrooms at a young age. That being said, I'm
Speaker 2: not anti drug or anti psychedelic. It just affected me badly.
Speaker 2: I know that it's a rare thing, but I would say, man,
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty much a no brainer. If you want
Speaker 2: to ask me, if you're experiencing If you're doing a
Speaker 2: tab and a half every couple days and you're experiencing
Speaker 2: nightmares to the extent that you have to take a
Speaker 2: prescription medication to deal with them, I think it's a
Speaker 2: good time for you to slow down, if not, go
Speaker 2: cold y on the on the acid tabs and see
Speaker 2: if you're dreams dream schedule adjusts to to to that change.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 4: I've had those thoughts already. It's just like I kind
Speaker 4: of have the addic mindset where I'm super just like
Speaker 4: fucking hooked.
Speaker 2: On it, like you're I'm gonna keep it real, you know,
Speaker 2: and this is this is a therapy podcast.
Speaker 1: But you are not addicted to LSD. You might be
Speaker 1: addicted to that.
Speaker 6: We'll not addicted.
Speaker 4: It's just like I know, you mean, I know it's
Speaker 4: not addictive. Maybe so I smoke with it too. So
Speaker 4: sometimes it kind of like chains and like I'll be
Speaker 4: like super trip and ball like even off the like
Speaker 4: heavier ship.
Speaker 1: I mean, are you are you using are you using
Speaker 1: it to like cope with something in particular that you
Speaker 1: can peg it to.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I don't even I mean I kind of have
Speaker 4: some trauma, but I ain't like doing it to that extent.
Speaker 4: I don't know, just something like all my buddies went
Speaker 4: to the army and ship, so it's a little bit
Speaker 4: like solo.
Speaker 2: You're just super bored, you're hell aboard and you miss
Speaker 2: your friends. So you're tripping out because it's it's it's
Speaker 2: giving you something to do, man, But you gotta stop.
Speaker 2: You gotta stop doing it though, man, because realistically, you know,
Speaker 2: LSD doesn't have a chemically addictive component, so you don't
Speaker 2: actually have You're not gonna have any kinds of like
Speaker 2: withdrawal symptoms if anything. You're just going to be super
Speaker 2: bored and kind of irritable because you're used to that routine.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, if you're having nightmares, dude, I know
Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard. But the advice that I'm giving
Speaker 2: you is just straight up you got to cut the
Speaker 2: tabs out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of come to terms with that. I've already
Speaker 4: tried to quit, like multiple times. It's just kind of
Speaker 4: fucking hard when you don't have to do honestly I need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it's going to bring up, is like
Speaker 1: I feel like if you want to wean on, this
Speaker 1: is like a feeling, got a classic like whatever drug
Speaker 1: thing like if you want to get rid of it,
Speaker 1: you got to replace it with something that's like positive.
Speaker 1: Can we like, is there anything if you have any
Speaker 1: hobbies or like anything you can think of that you
Speaker 1: you you know that you do that. Maybe you want
Speaker 1: to like lean into more, like like do to a
Speaker 1: sport and art anything.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just got along with a new job
Speaker 4: and I'm fucking loving it, just compared to some other shit.
Speaker 4: I think that might be helping them to like settle
Speaker 4: off and just focus some money. Oh they're going on
Speaker 4: a fucking target for a little bit, but it was
Speaker 4: just boring, monotonous. But I'm doing like a turf building
Speaker 4: installation with a bunch of buddies, like traveling ship. So
Speaker 4: I think maybe that routine can help me. They do that,
Speaker 4: like I've already kind of come to terms. It's just
Speaker 4: I don't really this is an addictive part. I guess
Speaker 4: my personality that hooked up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha. So you guys, so you it sounds like
Speaker 1: you're getting along well with these people that you're building
Speaker 1: this church with. It sounds like you fuck with them.
Speaker 4: It's a sucking turf building oh, I.
Speaker 1: Thinks a church. Okay, you're doing aid. I was like,
Speaker 1: what's going on, man.
Speaker 4: Crazy building on baseball field and.
Speaker 1: You're installing a.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well I don't. I mean, I'm not. I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not disrespecting your plan.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that focusing on money is going
Speaker 2: to make you stop doing acid.
Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't think it's you. You said,
Speaker 1: you said, you said, you kind of mentioned money as
Speaker 1: an aside. You said that you like like this job.
Speaker 1: Is that true? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just like you get to see a progression.
Speaker 4: I guess, like you're actually building something.
Speaker 1: Okay, word, so you you're enjoying the actual process of
Speaker 1: installing the astro turf because it gives you a sense
Speaker 1: of accomplishment.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it comes with a payment weekly, So it's
Speaker 4: kind of nice to.
Speaker 1: Be like, oh, it's rare to like your job.
Speaker 2: If you can enjoy installing AstroTurf, you've already won the
Speaker 2: game of life.
Speaker 1: I will. I will sign off on that.
Speaker 4: Actually, well, guys, I appreciate I think I got a
Speaker 4: lot of shit from this. I think I'm gonna definitely
Speaker 4: quit this ship. I already come to term and just
Speaker 4: I can't talk to my fucking parents about this. It'll
Speaker 4: be tripper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you definitely cannot talk to your parents about that.
Speaker 1: Any Any final words for the computer.
Speaker 4: Harrison, Uh, I would probably lay off the assid if
Speaker 4: you're younger than like eighteen or fucking I probably would
Speaker 4: just wait until you're like, yeah, twenty one or something.
Speaker 4: Don't it bucks with your like psychology and ship basically
Speaker 4: it definitely alters your brain, bro.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but yeah, I'll just get out of ice.
Speaker 4: Fucking love people and fucking love you and you call
Speaker 4: hands peeks out.
Speaker 1: Beautiful, take care brother. I think he may have had
Speaker 1: a few beers before that clime. I I liked him.
Speaker 1: I like, uh, it's again, it's like it's a rare
Speaker 1: thing to enjoy your job. He seems like he's having
Speaker 1: fun with the these his buddies and ship. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: seem like you have something you have to say. It's
Speaker 1: just like, just don't do that. Just don't.
Speaker 2: If acids already fucking with you, yeah, just stop doing it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, do you contell Like, I know
Speaker 1: you you did a whole bunch of drugs and stuff
Speaker 1: when you were younger, But do you do you still
Speaker 1: do acid and trums. No, no, I don't do any drugs. Now.
Speaker 1: Do you smoke weed? No? You didn't drink? No, I
Speaker 1: drink you. Now, how often do you get people being like, well, Andrew,
Speaker 1: were you like high when you were like coming up
Speaker 1: all the time? So annoying. I'm not anti weed, I'm
Speaker 1: not anti anything.
Speaker 8: I just like.
Speaker 1: The the annoying thing is, you know, I get high
Speaker 1: and stuff. But the annoying thing is when people are like,
Speaker 1: I have this weird assumption that you like can't be
Speaker 1: funny or creative without like drugs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, that's real, like bird brains shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I think that drugs early in life make
Speaker 2: you a cooler person. You know, pretty much all of
Speaker 2: my friends, you know, abused alcohol and drugs before the
Speaker 2: age of eighteen. I think it teaches you a bunch
Speaker 2: of stuff early, and you go into adulthood like a
Speaker 2: true soldier.
Speaker 1: What did it teach you? I don't even know. It's
Speaker 1: hard to explain.
Speaker 2: Just like the dark side man addiction, dependency, tragedies, triumphs,
Speaker 2: you know, partying, losing friends, buying drugs, selling, you know,
Speaker 2: just the world that you get yourself into, hanging out
Speaker 2: with the bad kids early on, watching people throw their
Speaker 2: life away before they become adults.
Speaker 1: And when you were sort of in the depths of
Speaker 1: this how old are you, like, like really youngineteen sixteen.
Speaker 2: Fifteen sixteen would be when I was heaviest into that,
Speaker 2: like world, do.
Speaker 1: You remember start of the darkest thing you saw during
Speaker 1: that time?
Speaker 2: Just man, just people losing their mind. One of my
Speaker 2: best friends lost his mind on acid and you know
Speaker 2: has been homeless ever since. You know, people dying.
Speaker 1: From drug overdoses.
Speaker 2: You know, people getting kidnapped by their parents and shipped
Speaker 2: off to desert school in Utah and you never see
Speaker 2: him again. You know, your parents crying because they find
Speaker 2: you know, pot stuffed in your mattress.
Speaker 1: And experiencing all this, I assume is what sort of
Speaker 1: led you to be totally sober now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I drink and have a good time.
Speaker 2: I'm like a straight edge guy. So it's like I
Speaker 2: would never do drugs just because I did it all before,
Speaker 2: not at all. I've never done like heroin or anything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: I've never done shrooms are acid before, but I really
Speaker 1: want to should.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think if you're in your mid twenties, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm your age. Yeah, Okay, you're at the age where
Speaker 2: you should definitely do it. I mean I think that
Speaker 2: like mid twenties are a great time to try strooms
Speaker 2: and acid. I mean, how cool would it be if
Speaker 2: I didn't do those things and now I could, like
Speaker 2: you know, go to Joshua Tree and like eat it
Speaker 2: eight the shrooms.
Speaker 1: With like my two best friends. Yeah, it would be sick.
Speaker 2: I just think that, like I kind of like missed
Speaker 2: the mark, but I had a lot of fun doing
Speaker 2: it early on.
Speaker 1: But now do you when you say like how far
Speaker 1: would we do? Now? Like do you like are you
Speaker 1: talking about like taking shrooms and like having that be
Speaker 1: like like with all the stuff you've done all the
Speaker 1: like to like be in that mind space to reflect
Speaker 1: on all that.
Speaker 2: It probably helped me unpack some uh some deep seated
Speaker 2: questions and heavy shift that I haven't encountered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I have. For a while, I've had
Speaker 1: like resistance to that, but I'm getting to a point
Speaker 1: and like, you know what, I'm ready.
Speaker 2: If you smoke a ton of weed, yeah you can
Speaker 2: handle like some shrooms.
Speaker 1: Does it just feel like being really high?
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 1: Really? Yeah?
Speaker 2: It has more of like an intellectual spiritual component. Sure,
Speaker 2: and it's hallucinatory. Yeah, like I imagine like you're you
Speaker 2: ever greened out before on weed?
Speaker 1: I think I think I've experienced something.
Speaker 2: Pot without the like overwhelming anxiety. Okay, you're just really high,
Speaker 2: but you know, you know what you're getting yourself into,
Speaker 2: so you're not like shivering or puking or anything.
Speaker 1: Have you ever done MDMA? Yeah? Is there is there
Speaker 1: any relation? Is there any relation in the fe No,
Speaker 1: I don't have to take an empty man. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm asking does it feel anything like? No? Okay, I
Speaker 1: mean it's four at times. Yeah, the euphouria, I'm like,
Speaker 1: is there a similar eufouria?
Speaker 2: Yeah, similar euphoria, but there's the come up is also insane,
Speaker 2: Like you know, when you're coming up on MDMA, it
Speaker 2: feels like the Earth is like meeting the moon.
Speaker 1: Sure, Like I don't know a good way to describe.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, grab, you're just like, I don't
Speaker 2: take that shitty that.
Speaker 1: Actually I did MBMA in Las Vegas in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: That was it. It was awesome. It was great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was awesome.
Speaker 2: But like Molly's that kind of thing where it's like, dude,
Speaker 2: I'm good for a while.
Speaker 1: But you probably have people like assuming I guess, like
Speaker 1: fans or of assuming you're on drugs. I mean I
Speaker 1: am tripping all the time, right, Yeah, Oh, I mean
Speaker 1: I guess like that you just like still, but it's
Speaker 1: like I don't do drugs, but I'm permanently you know,
Speaker 1: fried from drugs. Yeah. Does that have like does that
Speaker 1: affect the interviews at all in any way, Like, are
Speaker 1: you like ever tripping while you're like talking to someone
Speaker 1: or like at a really like inconvenient time.
Speaker 2: No, because it's constant, Like you know, I have shrowm
Speaker 2: like visual ship, so it's I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, it's constant. Oh oh, I thought these were like
Speaker 1: I thought they were like, what is it flashbacks?
Speaker 2: That's like acid, that's like because acid gets like stored.
Speaker 1: In your spinal cords.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like crack your back and I have just like
Speaker 2: just like okay, you're right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's not like it's some crazy it's like the
Speaker 2: majority of my life now I've had like TV static.
Speaker 2: It's actually not that annoying really, yeah, because it's just
Speaker 2: it's just how I see.
Speaker 1: Is it kind of like being blind. I mean it's
Speaker 1: like you have static like covering a little bit. It
Speaker 1: definitely impairs like site mm hm for sure. Whatever though, Man,
Speaker 1: we're fucking here. We're fucking here. Look at us, man,
Speaker 1: some geckos. We're a couple of geckos. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: do want to do more for the HPPD community. Uh. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's that's the Oh are you you're in a community
Speaker 1: of people?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 2: I mean, but I know that it's out there, and
Speaker 2: like I know that a lot of people with that
Speaker 2: condition see me as sort of like you're the guy
Speaker 2: a hero because I like overcame that and I know
Speaker 2: that's with that being debilitated, you know, and people have
Speaker 2: you know, took their own life over this shit. You know,
Speaker 2: this is a sad thing, and I don't have it
Speaker 2: as bad as some people have it.
Speaker 1: Do you ever, Like I assume you haven't really made
Speaker 1: any video or content or anything like where you've like
Speaker 1: really gone depth about it.
Speaker 2: There's this group called the Perception Perception Restoration Fund or
Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah, they're producing a documentary about HPBD
Speaker 2: and they asked me to step on as an executive producer.
Speaker 2: So I'm definitely going to do that and like, cause
Speaker 2: there's a lot of kids that are like me when
Speaker 2: I was when I was thirteen, Yeah, thinking that they're
Speaker 2: having a psychosis and going crazy, but they're not going crazy.
Speaker 2: They just have a cosmetic visual issue. But it feels
Speaker 2: like it has a bigger dimension. It's just a visual
Speaker 2: processing problem. It's a lot of people think that they're
Speaker 2: like losing their mind and it's going to get worse
Speaker 2: and stuff like.
Speaker 1: That's great that you're finding avenues to like take on
Speaker 1: the issue and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's something that I went through, so
Speaker 2: I figure at some point in my life, I got
Speaker 2: to do something to help because I didn't really have anybody.
Speaker 1: And it also feels like the kind of thing that
Speaker 1: when you have it, you like don't like it. It's rare,
Speaker 1: so you're like not like you're like, oh fuck, this
Speaker 1: isn't happening to anyone else. I'm completely alone and shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when you're fourteen to fifteen, and like, you know,
Speaker 2: there's two camps of people in your life. There's the
Speaker 2: parents who were like you could never talk about doing
Speaker 2: drugs too, because they'd shame you. Then there's the kids
Speaker 2: who do drugs who don't want to talk about the
Speaker 2: negative aspects of drug use. Like imagine trying to tell
Speaker 2: your hippi friend that you have you know right, you
Speaker 2: are right.
Speaker 1: Either of your parents who hate drugs or your friends
Speaker 1: that love drugs, you don't want to talk to you.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing now when you think about modern
Speaker 2: drug science, because there's two camps of drug scientists. There's
Speaker 2: people who work for like the burning Man Foundation, who
Speaker 2: are trying to do like ketamine therapy trials, who are right,
Speaker 2: you know, psychedelics are the answer totally MDMA will solve PTSD.
Speaker 2: Then there's the people who are like Mormon Vibes, who
Speaker 2: are like, you know, like doing research about how weed
Speaker 2: will destroy your you know right mind and make you schizophrenic.
Speaker 2: So it's still that's why HPPD is so weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah I did it. So you said it didn't even
Speaker 1: happen like from from extensive use. It was just just use,
Speaker 1: early use early Okay, how old were you when you
Speaker 1: first did it? Thirteen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like just using those powerful drugs while
Speaker 2: your brain is developing causes issues issues.
Speaker 1: It just does.
Speaker 2: But you know, who's going to do a clinical trial
Speaker 2: on a thirteen year old acid head.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know. Yeah, Well, like I said, it's good
Speaker 1: that you're becoming like I feel like, do you do
Speaker 1: like any like people out there, like celebrities or like
Speaker 1: not oble people who like have it?
Speaker 2: Or you the person listed on Wikipedia who has this thing?
Speaker 1: Me and a fictional character from the True Detective show.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, But I.
Speaker 2: Mean there is tens of thousands of people who have this,
Speaker 2: if not hundreds of thousands who don't realize they have
Speaker 2: it and just think that, you know, they're insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it must be really rewarding, like when you have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to like speak, Yeah, it's to be pretty tight.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out how to do it in
Speaker 2: the right way without alienating a large portion.
Speaker 1: Of my Well, I love what you told the previous caller. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he seemed like he was receptive to it too,
Speaker 1: for sure. I just don't like that whole like, I mean,
Speaker 1: shout out to him. I just don't like, I don't
Speaker 1: like that vibe. Really, I'm just like, I can't stop
Speaker 1: doing acid. It's like, come on, Doug.
Speaker 2: Like some people are hooked on heroin, you know, and
Speaker 2: they or people are addicted to zenex they take five
Speaker 2: bars a day and if they were to go cold turkey,
Speaker 2: they would die like withdrawal sentems. Yeah, so it's like,
Speaker 2: don't say that you're addicted to LSD. You're addicted to
Speaker 2: the fun that it gives you. But it's just like
Speaker 2: like there's a point in which where it's like b
Speaker 2: A G like like you know, I know it's the
Speaker 2: therapy get goo ship, but with that kind of thing,
Speaker 2: it's like come on, dog, Like you know, sometimes.
Speaker 1: You do no no, I hear you say it's there,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you do need to say to someone like yeah,
Speaker 1: come on dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a true therapist would like unpack it and
Speaker 2: unpack it.
Speaker 1: But it all falls upon that.
Speaker 2: But Bro, if I don't stop doing, ask what the
Speaker 2: fuck am I gonna do? Bro, I'm gonna be so boring.
Speaker 2: You can get really into asses.
Speaker 1: That guy he's gonna start his own astro turfing business. Dude,
Speaker 1: he's stoked about astro I know, I know when you
Speaker 1: said you've already won life, he truly has already won line.
Speaker 1: You know, if you don't need to go, if you
Speaker 1: can enjoy just doing AstroTurf and you don't have to
Speaker 1: go all over the world, and you don't have to
Speaker 1: like hang it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, shout out to him.
Speaker 1: How are you, How are you feeling awesome? Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: it's it's great to it's great to have you in here. Man,
Speaker 1: it's cool. It's cool. Why because I know, it's it's
Speaker 1: cool watching you, Like, it's cool having you in our
Speaker 1: space doing your thing, like it's awesome. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: I just want to, you know, re emphasize like I'm
Speaker 2: not anti psychedelic. You know, I really think that they
Speaker 2: have the power to like transform your life and you know,
Speaker 2: rewire your brain, change your brain, like for the positive.
Speaker 2: I just had a negative experience that drastically, you know,
Speaker 2: impacted my life.
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna blame you if they do acid, They're not gonna.
Speaker 2: Be But I'm sure that's you know, it's such a
Speaker 2: tough one man. It's like religion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, you just can't tell.
Speaker 2: People shit if they really think that like d MT
Speaker 2: is like the spirit molecule.
Speaker 1: You can't break through to these people. I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit like I don't want to have like I guess
Speaker 1: this was another sort of resistance to psychedelics was like
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna have like some sort of epiphany or
Speaker 1: some sort of like light thing, life changing thing or
Speaker 1: analytic analysis of I want. Does it feel less It
Speaker 1: almost feels like less real if if it's on drugs, absolutely,
Speaker 1: like I need an assist to do it.
Speaker 2: Like, think about the idea of like Buddhist enlightenment. Think
Speaker 2: about the fact that monks meditate their entis you just
Speaker 2: sat there and they sitting there trying to be as
Speaker 2: introspective as possible and astro project throughout the universe and
Speaker 2: just sit there hoping to break through to this point
Speaker 2: of enlightenment, and they a lot of times can't do it.
Speaker 1: And then you got someone with a d M T
Speaker 1: pen at Venice Beach almost feels like a trip that
Speaker 1: almost feels like a cheat code. Who tells you that
Speaker 1: he just talked to God, Like you talk to God?
Speaker 1: What did he say?
Speaker 2: Is he asking you to ask me for five dollars?
Speaker 1: Doesn't make sense? It's I I understand the idea that
Speaker 1: you know when you think of like like you're saying
Speaker 1: that the monks who were sat there and like really tried.
Speaker 1: It's like and they and and then you have the
Speaker 1: guy with the DMT pen who's like, I talked to
Speaker 1: God and You're like, it can't be that easy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to like really sit and try. Why did
Speaker 1: he talk to you and not those monks? You know?
Speaker 1: I would you ever have you done a bunch of
Speaker 1: d M two or no?
Speaker 2: But that's the one psychondel like that I would do,
Speaker 2: like at the end of my life because it's it's
Speaker 2: like a just balls deep, like fucking full blast thing
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: I want to do ayahuasca and I'm like, my friend's,
Speaker 1: uh my, one of my friends dad's just did ayahuasca
Speaker 1: and he's like sixty something, and I'm like, oh great
Speaker 1: when i'm there's still cool stuff for me to do
Speaker 1: when I'm sixty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I lose my hair, you know, and after
Speaker 2: my divorce and then you get your dog, I'll, you know,
Speaker 2: hitchhike down to Peru, you know, man pukanus in a
Speaker 2: drum circle.
Speaker 1: I like that. There's I like that. There's so many
Speaker 1: cool experiences available to human beings, dude, There's so many. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why when people are like, is America going downhill?
Speaker 2: I was like, no, it's not. More people need to
Speaker 2: travel through America. Yeah, get real, deep in America. It's
Speaker 2: a weird ass place.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what you're doing, is you're like, I mean,
Speaker 1: a lot of the people who like, they don't feel
Speaker 1: like getting off their asses to like go see stuff.
Speaker 1: You're there, you're like the conduit to which they see, yeah,
Speaker 1: stuff outside of their computer.
Speaker 2: I mean, my dream as I'm getting older is just
Speaker 2: to get kids as stoked possible, like eight traveler old fools,
Speaker 2: like just to like hit the American road, like revive
Speaker 2: American road lore.
Speaker 1: Hitch Hiking is a dead art in a way, right
Speaker 1: because people are scared.
Speaker 2: Well, the stragglers that are a part of that, like
Speaker 2: you know, like hobo hitchhike culture are mostly like train hoppers,
Speaker 2: like freight hopping, you know, hopping freight trains across the country,
Speaker 2: like it's a whole, like they call it googles or
Speaker 2: like gutter punks. Like that culture has kind of absorbed
Speaker 2: the remnants of what would have been like hitchhikers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but hitchhiking.
Speaker 2: That's what makes hitchhiking in the twenty first century and
Speaker 2: especially now so insane is because you're the only one
Speaker 2: really doing it, right. That's not like escaping prison, you know,
Speaker 2: so you know when doing it like just for fun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: not yet, not out of necessity or out of necessity
Speaker 2: because it's such a bad way to get around. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, but like you really are creating like a
Speaker 2: lane for yourself.
Speaker 1: Did had you ever met someone while you were doing
Speaker 1: because you did it. You did it like to see
Speaker 1: the world. It was the first.
Speaker 2: It was my first like creative jump off the port.
Speaker 1: Did anyone ever give you shit about that in terms
Speaker 1: of like, hey man, I have to do this.
Speaker 2: No, I mean there's no there's no sense of entitlement
Speaker 2: in the hitchhiking world.
Speaker 1: If the.
Speaker 2: Get a fucking car man, Yeah, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: if this is what you're riding for at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, like you gotta find a hobby, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're like I was, you know, I need this.
Speaker 1: Then they want to identify them up the train.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, convince a truck driver to give you
Speaker 2: a ride somewhere. Na, there's no exclusionary vibe in the
Speaker 2: hitchhiker world. There is no hitchhiker world.
Speaker 1: It sounds fun. I want to do it at some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just the fact that like I may have convinced
Speaker 2: an eighteen year old like fresh out of his parents' house.
Speaker 1: Person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes to be like I live in Stockton, California,
Speaker 2: or reading or something like, I'm just gonna go to
Speaker 2: the nearest freeway on ramp, stick my thumb out and
Speaker 2: go wherever the driver's going.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure you would influence a lot of peop.
Speaker 1: I feel like you definitely get dms with people being like, hey,
Speaker 1: like you inspire me to like go place. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I want them to do that thing, oh, to do
Speaker 1: it specifically to do like doing like the real like
Speaker 1: put yourself out there kind of way. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: stealing kind bars type vibe. It's uh, do you ever
Speaker 1: like Okay? So I mean now, like you know, you
Speaker 1: you have like you know, adult money, and you're a
Speaker 1: part and you drive a car and you're.
Speaker 2: Like two thousand and seven Toyota Tacoma perfect.
Speaker 1: And you're like you're like, you're not really living that.
Speaker 1: Does a part of you ever wish you could?
Speaker 2: Like, you know, well, the thing is, you know, when
Speaker 2: I turned when I decided to like market and make
Speaker 2: a brand out of what I love to do the most,
Speaker 2: I traded in the anonymity of the road right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot, because I wanted to make a life for
Speaker 2: myself and a name for myself. So you know what
Speaker 2: I loved most as a young person, as a teenager,
Speaker 2: as a hitchhiker, was that anonymous feeling of just like
Speaker 2: being just like completely on the road, enveloped in the
Speaker 2: American highway system at motels and bus stops, talking to
Speaker 2: like dead beats and out laws and runaways, and just
Speaker 2: being able to just be completely anonymous and like using
Speaker 2: my eyes as the camera basically and just like absorbing
Speaker 2: these stories from people that are just on the fringe
Speaker 2: and just moving on and you know, writing about it
Speaker 2: later in my journal. And now, you know, if I
Speaker 2: were a hitchhike on the side of the road, you know,
Speaker 2: it would probably take like five ten minutes before you know.
Speaker 1: A super suic over and it's like tryta far. You know.
Speaker 2: So in a way it is sad, and it does
Speaker 2: make me sort of jaded that I have. You know,
Speaker 2: that transaction makes me sad. You know, I've traded in
Speaker 2: a career for sacrificing the road spirit can I ask?
Speaker 1: And I almost feel this way about what I do,
Speaker 1: like just with like conversations in general, does it ever
Speaker 1: like like you know, back when you when you were
Speaker 1: just like writing it down, yeah, and you weren't filming it,
Speaker 1: did it ever feel like more special and more like
Speaker 1: the moment belonged to you? And now you're kind of
Speaker 1: like giving that moment away to people.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But I do think that writing is the problem
Speaker 2: with writing is that you can just lie your ass off, right,
Speaker 2: So you know, So that's the thing is, like, you know,
Speaker 2: my first project was a hitchhiking book that I wrote,
Speaker 2: of course, and I realized that, Okay, people don't believe
Speaker 2: the stories that I'm telling. Even my own friends would
Speaker 2: be like, oh did that really happen? Like they think
Speaker 2: that I'm exaggerating like major plot points. And I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, never again, like I'm gonna film it
Speaker 2: so I can prove it. And so that's how we
Speaker 2: do things now.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's just because you know it is you do get
Speaker 2: to claim the moment and you know, make it a
Speaker 2: part of your narrative when it's written down.
Speaker 1: But not even I'm not even talking about like the
Speaker 1: like the recording. I'm just talking about like being there,
Speaker 1: like there's no cameras, You're just talking to a guy. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and there's you're not making content. You're not like trying
Speaker 1: to steer the conversation in a way that makes it
Speaker 1: like for you. It's just for the moment in and
Speaker 1: of itself. Absolutely, And you know I still do that.
Speaker 2: You know, I still I still have an RV now
Speaker 2: that I take cross country trips in. I still sleep
Speaker 2: in the back of my Tacoma Like, I still do that.
Speaker 2: But there's this part of me that misses that, just
Speaker 2: like full presence of course, because there's a part of
Speaker 2: me now that thinks, to myself, wow, this would be
Speaker 2: so great on camera. And that's sort of a sad
Speaker 2: thing because I'm like, man, I used to just be.
Speaker 1: Like happy to be there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Of course, once you start making videos and start making content.
Speaker 1: Everything's like, oh, I should be filming this, right, and
Speaker 1: you know that.
Speaker 2: Like your audience would actually appreciate it. Of course, you're
Speaker 2: not like a self centered asshole who's like this would
Speaker 2: go so viral, like one hundred percent, this should be
Speaker 2: documented as a part of my experience because this is
Speaker 2: important to me in this time. But now I just, man,
Speaker 2: it's tough. You know, it makes me sad and happy.
Speaker 2: It's just there's not really an emotion to assigned to it.
Speaker 2: It's just the way things have changed.
Speaker 1: If I can feel that way about like talking to strangers,
Speaker 1: Like if I like strike up a conversation with someone
Speaker 1: at an airport or something and they tell me something interesting,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I I'm like, oh, this would
Speaker 1: be like a cool conversation like for the podcast or whatever,
Speaker 1: but like there's something great about just doing it in
Speaker 1: and of itsself.
Speaker 2: I think maybe over time that barrier will sort of
Speaker 2: dissipate because everything is going to be just filmed all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're gonna be wearing gouglass.
Speaker 2: I think to be like point at which, like you know,
Speaker 2: the current kids growing up who TikTok and live stream everything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're gonna be like, you know, fifty years old one day,
Speaker 2: and if they strike up a conversation at LAX, it
Speaker 2: won't be weird to just pull out a live streaming
Speaker 2: selfie stick and be like, yeah, so you know, when
Speaker 2: did you go into card shurance.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's sad? No, you think that's awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hell yeah, I want to see that. I want to
Speaker 1: see that conversation, you know what. I love that I
Speaker 1: love I love that you're optimistic about it, because I
Speaker 1: feel like the default is to be upset about it.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy you didn't go down that rabbit hole
Speaker 2: where people say, like, don't you think it's sad that.
Speaker 1: Everyone's on their phone? No? I like, I like, I
Speaker 1: mean it's great. I mean there's trade offs. I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's it's hard because the Internet, like you know,
Speaker 1: has democratized media. It's done so many amazing things. But
Speaker 1: also like you know, I hate when I'm hanging out
Speaker 1: with someone and they go on their phone. I hate
Speaker 1: when I'm hanging out with on and I go on
Speaker 1: my phone. Yeah, it's just basic social stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't want to like chill with you if we're
Speaker 2: both on our phone like doom scrolling Instagram.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey man, it's just the way things are going.
Speaker 2: Complaining about it is just lame, you know, Like it's
Speaker 2: always people who don't who are.
Speaker 1: Like trying to become famous too, that want to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that like preached down in our life.
Speaker 2: They hit that wall and they were like Andrew, like,
Speaker 2: you know, do you ever get tired of just making
Speaker 2: video after video and want to just takes some time
Speaker 2: for yourself. It's like I make one video a month,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I'm not streaming for ten
Speaker 2: hours a day. Like I take a ton of time
Speaker 2: for myself.
Speaker 1: Right, But do you do you not like you know,
Speaker 1: I mean your whole you know, you talk a lot
Speaker 1: of current events. Yeah, you're talking about like things are
Speaker 1: going on in the world. Does it not require you
Speaker 1: to be not constantly, but like to be keeping an
Speaker 1: eye on what's going on on once a day?
Speaker 2: Do you do you do once a day once a
Speaker 2: day for like the heavy news update.
Speaker 1: Okay, Like and when I when I dive.
Speaker 2: Into like the news section on my phone, it'll be
Speaker 2: a pretty heavy deep dive, like forty five minutes of
Speaker 2: just like what the hell's going on this week?
Speaker 1: How often are you just like act like catching yourself
Speaker 1: on the Instagram story of a person you went to
Speaker 1: high school that you don't care about, probably twenty five
Speaker 1: times a day. That that's the stuff that I don't like.
Speaker 1: But that's where I'm like, I should I should have.
Speaker 1: That's up to me to not be addicted to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean you have a cool thing going on.
Speaker 1: Oh this is awesome. You interact?
Speaker 2: Yeah with Instagram in a way that is cool because
Speaker 2: you're creating stuff. That's the big difference. Like consumer versus
Speaker 2: creator is a totally different vibe.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, and that's how I justify it, Okay,
Speaker 1: because if you took all of my Instagram use or
Speaker 1: online use and uh and I justify it, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is my job. I have to I'm on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I have to look at it. I have to see
Speaker 1: how the new video do whatever it is. This stuff
Speaker 1: that's like necessary to complete the function of this is
Speaker 1: maybe maybe like one percent and the rest is you know,
Speaker 1: hang seeing dude. I mean for sure, it's funny.
Speaker 2: Like yes, if I you know, reading news, like I
Speaker 2: spend most of my time on my phone, like reading
Speaker 2: about watching YouTube videos about like beef between rappers, Yeah,
Speaker 2: better call Saul fan theories. Yeah, scenes from the Dark
Speaker 2: Knight mm hmm. That's what I consume. You know, I
Speaker 2: don't really read the news. I just I'm into like
Speaker 2: weird shit like that.
Speaker 1: Do you so you'll consume stuff like that and like
Speaker 1: super niche shit. Yeah, like I follow like la rap beef. Well,
Speaker 1: I feel like you would have to have something to
Speaker 1: like because you're always your whole thing is like about
Speaker 1: the news. I feel like you would have to you know,
Speaker 1: your hobbies would be things that are completely unrelated to me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It feels rebellious to like just watch watch TV breaking
Speaker 2: bad fan theories for ninety minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well everyone's like you go to read about this
Speaker 1: and like right, right to watch something that you don't
Speaker 1: have to justify in some way. Yeah, for sure, that's nice.
Speaker 1: That's kind of been my refuge lately.
Speaker 2: Also with all the craziness is like the Better Call
Speaker 2: Saul series?
Speaker 1: Do you contribute to the forms?
Speaker 2: No? I should though, because like I like, I think
Speaker 2: about the characters often.
Speaker 1: Let's talk to Robbie. Robbie. Oh, well, how you doing, Robbie?
Speaker 3: You good?
Speaker 9: I was just dirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it's good man. How are you doing.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: calling in. We appreciate it. This is Andrew and this
Speaker 2: is Lyle.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 9: It's really good talking you guys because, uh, this is
Speaker 9: my first time being on.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're happy to have you. Well, don't feel nervous
Speaker 1: or anything. It's just us here.
Speaker 9: I am nervous.
Speaker 1: It's okay. We're gonna make this as easy as we can.
Speaker 1: For you. It's totally totally show. It's just you and
Speaker 1: two geckos. Robbie, all right, Uh, is it okay if
Speaker 1: I tell the people what you told the call screener. Yes, Robbie,
Speaker 1: it's us here that you are having trouble talking to
Speaker 1: women and you need some advice. Mm hmm, well just
Speaker 1: off the batman.
Speaker 2: You seem like a super sweet guy, very kind person
Speaker 2: does so you've already got that going for you. I
Speaker 2: think men and women both like that quality out of curiosity?
Speaker 1: You know what? What?
Speaker 2: What do you find the most difficult? Is it the approach?
Speaker 2: Is it maintaining the conversation?
Speaker 1: Which is it?
Speaker 9: I think maintaining the conversation the approach is difficult as well.
Speaker 9: But uh, I feel like whenever I could go up
Speaker 9: to someone, I just don't like I just have nothing
Speaker 9: to say. All I can't think of anything?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But you're not scared to, you know, say hey,
Speaker 2: what's up?
Speaker 1: You know, my name's Robbie. What's your name?
Speaker 9: Maybe? Kind of.
Speaker 1: Can I ask? What? What if any situations are you
Speaker 1: putting yourself in in which you you have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to meet new people?
Speaker 9: Uh, mainly your work, I guess because I don't really
Speaker 9: go out on my days off work at Walmart.
Speaker 2: So yeah, work work is a hard work is a
Speaker 2: really hard place to like talk to girls, for sure,
Speaker 2: because like, you know, the employee the co worker thing
Speaker 2: is already pretty messy, and then talking to customers is
Speaker 2: just kind of weird, you know, because like I remember,
Speaker 2: unless you work at a restaurant, but if you work
Speaker 2: in the retail industry, it's very transactional.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely neither I feel like neither the customers
Speaker 1: nor the co workers are like, yeah that you you
Speaker 1: want to meet people in places where people go to
Speaker 1: meet people. Yeah, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Robbie, would you would you ever consider working like in
Speaker 2: the service industry, like a front of house position at
Speaker 2: like a popular restaurant.
Speaker 9: M probably not.
Speaker 2: I think that it might be uncomfortable at first, but
Speaker 2: I think that a job like that would really help
Speaker 2: you get outside of your comfort zone and like get
Speaker 2: you more familiarized with like having to talk to like
Speaker 2: tons of people. Before I did interviews, I was a
Speaker 2: host at a restaurant on Bourbon Street in New Orleans,
Speaker 2: and we used to do six hundred and fifty covers
Speaker 2: a night, and my whole job was to be like, hey,
Speaker 2: how are you doing? Welcome to Bourbon house. I think
Speaker 2: that got me. But when I first took the job,
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna be so bad at this.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be so nervous. And over time I got
Speaker 2: so used to it that, like when I got off work,
Speaker 2: I was like a.
Speaker 1: Social you just kept the train, just kept going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you kept the momentum going until I after work. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Would that be something that you would just consider even
Speaker 2: for you know, a training shift or something.
Speaker 9: It could it would be possibility.
Speaker 2: I think it would be fun for you, man, and
Speaker 2: maybe maybe a restaurant that you actually like.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you too, Robbie?
Speaker 9: Do you a very introverted person?
Speaker 1: So just kind of do like just like forgetting about
Speaker 1: like you know, dating and relationships and stuff like do
Speaker 1: you do you have Like do you have friends?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, it's best best friends.
Speaker 9: Necessarily small circle of friends, Like I have a few
Speaker 9: groups here, a few groups here, but that's basically I
Speaker 9: don't have a massive friend group.
Speaker 1: How many how many people do you think are in
Speaker 1: your core group of friends?
Speaker 9: Like six seven?
Speaker 1: That's cool?
Speaker 2: And are they more introverted as well?
Speaker 9: It's a mix.
Speaker 2: What kind of stuff do you guys do when you
Speaker 2: hang out?
Speaker 9: Mainly just go out the ear? Uh, go do something
Speaker 9: and something. Mainly most of the time we just play
Speaker 9: video games together.
Speaker 1: That's cool. I mean, do you like bars or not? Really?
Speaker 9: I've been to a few, but.
Speaker 8: It's eh.
Speaker 1: Do you have hot Like? What do you do for hobbies? Like?
Speaker 1: Do you sports? Arts, magic, the gathering? What's your thing?
Speaker 9: Mainly do this video games in the days off? Sometimes
Speaker 9: I do D and D stuff like that.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 1: Because because I've always I've always felt like I've always
Speaker 1: felt like when it comes to like meeting people, especially
Speaker 1: if you're like trying to get in to a relationship
Speaker 1: or something, it's like you kind of like independently build
Speaker 1: a life that people gravitate around or like where you're
Speaker 1: in a lot of situations where around people more so
Speaker 1: than you do like do like anything done like with
Speaker 1: the intention of trying to meet women, I feel like
Speaker 1: it never goes very well.
Speaker 2: Robbie, do you do you live in the south of
Speaker 2: the Midwest?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 4: East?
Speaker 9: Um, North Carolina?
Speaker 2: Okay, so south basically southeast. You know the thing about
Speaker 2: North Carolina, what's the nearest major.
Speaker 1: City to you.
Speaker 9: Uh, nearest major.
Speaker 2: Yeah, closer to Charlotte. Yeah, and it's a tough place
Speaker 2: to socialize, you know. But I mean, do you do
Speaker 2: you find that people have that like southern hospitality around you?
Speaker 2: Like is there a lot of pleasantries exchanged in your
Speaker 2: day to day or people in your community more closed off?
Speaker 9: I really sure?
Speaker 1: M hmm. I also feel like, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: you were talking about the bars and stuff. I feel like,
Speaker 1: do you do you want do you want to meet
Speaker 1: somebody who is on your sort of same level of
Speaker 1: introversion or are you looking for you know, sort of
Speaker 1: a compliment to you personality wise?
Speaker 9: I feel like it'd be nice to have someone who's
Speaker 9: introverted as me. But also I feel like the other way,
Speaker 9: like the other spectrum would also work, just to help
Speaker 9: me get out there maybe more. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, how about this? Would you rather have someone to
Speaker 2: bring you out of your shell? Or would you rather
Speaker 2: just be like two turtles chilling together?
Speaker 9: I feel like getting out of my shell.
Speaker 2: One you're looking for like an extrovert that understands you
Speaker 2: and can you know, like help you.
Speaker 1: Put yourself out there? Yeah, well, dude, I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna find it.
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly when it's gonna come, but there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people like that.
Speaker 1: There are. And here here's the key to that, though,
Speaker 1: is like you got all right, so you gotta like,
Speaker 1: let's like verbally your car is dead. You gotta get
Speaker 1: out and start pushing it first, in order for someone
Speaker 1: to see you and help you push it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, yeah, you gotta sort of take
Speaker 1: your own initiative on putting yourself out there just a
Speaker 1: little bit in order for you to try to find
Speaker 1: someone to help you with that.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I would say find some find some coffee
Speaker 2: shops that you like nearby. Next time you want to
Speaker 2: work on something, go there, open up your laptop, get
Speaker 2: a coffee. Just get used to being in the public sphere,
Speaker 2: even if you're silent.
Speaker 1: That'll help you a lot. I've had some foods you
Speaker 1: were shy.
Speaker 2: I just get used to being somewhere where like you're
Speaker 2: maybe you're maybe still closed off, but you are exposed
Speaker 2: physically around here, physically exposed to the world, you know,
Speaker 2: and maybe you might strike up a conversation. But you know,
Speaker 2: between working at Walmart and having like your group of
Speaker 2: seven friends who you mainly I'm assuming play video games
Speaker 2: with and like chill inside. That's kind of a hard
Speaker 2: you know, gridlock for you to like meet someone who's
Speaker 2: gonna bring you to that next stage. So dude, just
Speaker 2: coffee shops, bars, and for sure, I guarantee you if
Speaker 2: you if you worked out like Cheesecake Factory, you'd become
Speaker 2: like a social savant four months.
Speaker 1: She say, factory sounds like a better place to work
Speaker 1: than Walmart. It does.
Speaker 2: But you know, although the buzzers sort of make me nervous, buzzers,
Speaker 2: oh the little things, Cheesecake Factory assigns you that buzzer box,
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's the most intense.
Speaker 1: Vibration I've ever experienced. Really, when that thing starts going,
Speaker 1: it's going, then you can't even like turn it off.
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't want to get near those things if
Speaker 2: I worked at cheesecake Factory, you know, I'd be like,
Speaker 2: you know, put them in the bucket for somebody else.
Speaker 1: So Robbie, you know, over the course of this call,
Speaker 1: we've told you a bunch of things. We've thrown a
Speaker 1: bunch of actions out at you, We've thrown a bunch
Speaker 1: of ideas out of you, like before we go, like,
Speaker 1: what's what's sort of your take on what we've told you?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think I think you're right about it. Might
Speaker 9: give myself or go to a Starbucks or something, see
Speaker 9: what can happen.
Speaker 2: Go to the good to the busiest Starbucks in downtown
Speaker 2: Charlotte and just just kick it there. Dude, even if
Speaker 2: you don't make a friend, you're going to be entertained
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: You know. It's a lot like it's like when people say, like,
Speaker 1: if you're trying to start working out, just go to
Speaker 1: the gym.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just go there, even if you're making fun of
Speaker 2: the people at the gym. Yeah, you'll eventually hop on
Speaker 2: the elliptical and sweat your ass off.
Speaker 1: Yeah you don't. Yeah, you just go there. Don't feel
Speaker 1: like you pressured to do any workouts or lift anything.
Speaker 1: You just go to a Starbucks, man, and just just
Speaker 1: you know, chill for a bit.
Speaker 2: You know, don't call your friends, just go by yourself
Speaker 2: and just kick it whenever you have some free time.
Speaker 9: Okay, thank you, Thank you, Robbie.
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to say to the people of
Speaker 1: the computer or to two geckos.
Speaker 9: Uh, well, I've I'm almost finished with your with your
Speaker 9: therapy GECKU Podcast three more. I'm completely caught up.
Speaker 1: Thank you to the whole time. Yes, sir Andrew, Yes, just.
Speaker 9: Now looked at your YouTube channel. Might might give it a.
Speaker 1: Look.
Speaker 2: Well like it, man, I appreciate it for real, you should.
Speaker 1: He's got good stuff on there.
Speaker 9: Oh well, well, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Of course, man for being confident coming out here.
Speaker 1: That's step one. Take care, Robie.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was hard. Say you guys got man.
Speaker 1: That guy's so sweet man he is. I don't think
Speaker 1: we got to him though, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to take any action from
Speaker 1: the things I.
Speaker 2: Was trying to work thing, the region thing, the like thing.
Speaker 2: But it's just going to happen over time.
Speaker 1: I say that every time we get a call like that,
Speaker 1: I say I would say the same thing. I'm like you,
Speaker 1: it's anything done with the intention of like trying to
Speaker 1: be people never work. So you just have to like
Speaker 1: build your life in a way in which you're around
Speaker 1: people in which you're like like that guy, like he
Speaker 1: plays D and D. It's like fucking start some like
Speaker 1: like it's like you probably play with your friends, go
Speaker 1: to the coffee shop, but can I start a local
Speaker 1: D and D league? And then like and then not
Speaker 1: only are you in, you're like the guy you're the
Speaker 1: president of the D and D league. You got a
Speaker 1: little bit of status now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, also like being raised, I guess like an
Speaker 2: Italian American like Philadelphia family. Originally, like when people start
Speaker 2: getting shy, I have this impulse to get kind of
Speaker 2: like like pick yourself up.
Speaker 1: By Are you a motivational guy? No?
Speaker 2: But then I realized it doesn't work with an introvert
Speaker 2: do you like what do you mean?
Speaker 1: I don't know? You do know you're the man?
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff is not effective if someone's like
Speaker 2: kind of in a shell. But I think that over time, man,
Speaker 2: Robbie will just like it'll just happen. Certain people are
Speaker 2: sort of impervious to advice, but just the sands of
Speaker 2: time put them.
Speaker 1: In a position, you know. I wonder with all the
Speaker 1: time on this podcast And then and I ask people this,
Speaker 1: it's like when people like if if I were a
Speaker 1: real therapist and someone came to me, like what what
Speaker 1: is like what should real therapist say? Like, like if
Speaker 1: you've done all the research into like social psychology, and
Speaker 1: the the whatever, the neurons and shit like what would
Speaker 1: you tell that guy?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: I think the reason that we're maybe better than is
Speaker 2: a lot of therapists is because we actually tell them
Speaker 2: everything about our own experiences. Every time that I went
Speaker 2: to therapy growing up, I was always kind of turned
Speaker 2: off because the therapist would just be like a brick
Speaker 2: wall when it came to like tell me about your life,
Speaker 2: and it was always.
Speaker 1: Hard to level.
Speaker 2: Whereas I feel like we are like you know, especially
Speaker 2: you you're like an informal therapist, so you can be like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: I had a similar experience back in the day.
Speaker 1: I have no code of conduct, like I could tell
Speaker 1: you exactly, I can tell you where I live.
Speaker 2: Have you gone to do you? Do you still go
Speaker 2: to therapy? I know I'm about to start. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I go to therapy irregularly.
Speaker 2: When I was going through some stuff a year ago,
Speaker 2: like I went to therapy like all the time. But
Speaker 2: now I'm going to start again because why not?
Speaker 1: What made you? What made you stop?
Speaker 2: I just started doing really well, well, you know, just
Speaker 2: things kind of after so much therapy, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm a lot happier now. I mean COVID was a
Speaker 2: tough time for everybody. For sure, that was one of
Speaker 2: those people. And uh yeah, start doing so good that
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Like, all right, I'm good. It's expensive.
Speaker 2: It is when we come back to this one, I
Speaker 2: have some some serious issues.
Speaker 1: Do you journal I know your whole No, man, I don't.
Speaker 1: I should though, for real.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of fleeting thoughts that I wish
Speaker 2: I could come back to, but they're gone.
Speaker 1: I feel like because you're doing a lot of like
Speaker 1: documenting with the camera. Yes, you're almost like if I
Speaker 1: were doing that, I would almost be like, all right,
Speaker 1: well we got it. I don't need to write about this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but but your feelings are like a whole other
Speaker 1: your feelings about what happened, or like a whole other
Speaker 1: layer and then just like the what happened, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, dude? For sure, definitely, Andrew, Man, it's
Speaker 1: it's been awesome to have you on here. Like I
Speaker 1: said it before, I said it when you were taking
Speaker 1: a pee, but's it's really awesome to see you, like,
Speaker 1: you know, doing your own like like doing what you do,
Speaker 1: but coming into this space and doing it with the
Speaker 1: people that watch you know the stream and it's it's
Speaker 1: been awesome. Man, I've been sick. Dude.
Speaker 2: I don't go on that much stuff, but I'm a
Speaker 2: huge fan of this. Fuck yah, shout out to you.
Speaker 2: Thank you man, get go lifestyle.
Speaker 1: There anything that you want to want to fire off
Speaker 1: say to the people before we get out of here.
Speaker 1: Any final thoughts, feelings, just the sentiments.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys for watching. That's about it. I don't
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Speaker 2: Oh peoples don't know. I got the fuzzy on it?
Speaker 1: Oh you do? Yeah you can? I can? I feel
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Speaker 2: But I got the fuzzy wuzzies on the Fish air Forces.
Speaker 2: I got them at a fish concert. Grateful day, ad
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Speaker 2: but I went to a fish show and had fun.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's something a fan would do, is go
Speaker 1: to a their concert and have fun. So you upload
Speaker 1: his on YouTube as well? I do?
Speaker 2: Oh yes, dude, you shorten them at all.
Speaker 1: You just yeah, we we shorten them. Like, how long
Speaker 1: have you this been too? It's been about two hours.
Speaker 1: Share this ship out of this one. Fuck yeah, fuck yeah.
Speaker 1: This is fun to do. Andrew Man, thank you very
Speaker 1: much for coming on. Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1: Take care of folks at home. Good luck, gak bless you,
Speaker 1: and I have a good night. I have a good one, y'all.
Speaker 2: Goes on the line taking your phone calls every night.
Speaker 1: Everything goes to his eye. He's teaching you loud in
Speaker 1: your life. He's not read an expert.