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Speaker 1: How's it going, man, I'm good man. How you doing,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good. How does it feel to be a lizard?

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Speaker 2: It's great, man, I like the hands. Yeah, it's an

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Speaker 2: honor to be here. I'm a huge fan.

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Speaker 1: Thanks. I'm a huge fan of you. I'm a huge

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Speaker 1: fan of you. You're the can I tell you. You're

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Speaker 1: a guy who I always look at. I'm very inspired

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Speaker 1: by you. Like when I see you like zooming around,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that looks fucking sick. I'm inspired by

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Speaker 1: how you are able to help these people. Thanks, man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what has been the most persistent thought on your mind lately?

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Speaker 1: If it? If I want to do serious stuff? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if I want to do funny stuff? Yeah, which direction

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Speaker 1: I want to lean in? Yeah? Are you? Uh? What's

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Speaker 1: driving you towards each what's driving to make funny stuff? Then?

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Speaker 1: What's driving you to make serious stuff? Funny stuffs more marketable?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You can put funny stuff on t shirts and ye

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Speaker 2: can go on World Star Hip Hop Twitter and everyone

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Speaker 2: will comment the crying emojis on TikTok. But the serious

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Speaker 2: stuff takes something from you. It takes a lot out

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Speaker 1: Really, do you get like emotionally exhausted on the serious stuff.

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Speaker 1: But do you look back at it and you're just

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Speaker 1: like really glad that you, like you went to these places? Definitely?

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Speaker 1: Does it ever feel like not real? Like you will

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Speaker 1: go and you'll film, like when you went into your

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Speaker 1: film in Ukraine, and you look back on the place,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it didn't happen, Or do.

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Speaker 2: You really I've been dissociating steadily, you know, struggling with

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Speaker 2: smoking weed in middle school. I think, and uh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: on the pulse of news events and what's going on,

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Speaker 2: because it provides a level sense of grounding.

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Speaker 1: Does it feel more real because it's happening to everyone

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Speaker 1: at so you kind of almost folk you're a part

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Speaker 2: I think being a journalist, like a frontline journalist, is

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Speaker 2: like an antidote to dissociation and derealization. Really, you're somewhere,

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Speaker 2: you know, like Ukraine or something, and you're there and

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Speaker 2: you're seeing stuff going on, and you're working, and then

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Speaker 2: you check your phone or you check Instagram, and everyone's

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Speaker 2: posting about that, right, So you are there, You are real.

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Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 2: Actually, in the timeline, a shared timeline and a shared

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Speaker 1: Of course, you feel like you're part of the thing

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Speaker 1: Whereas if you have a you know, like a corporate

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Speaker 1: feel like you're living in a surreal Truman Show style

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Speaker 2: I'm an only child with divorced parents, so some of

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Speaker 1: To force yourself to spend a bunch of time alone.

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Speaker 2: So I do like to spend time alone, but I'd

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Speaker 1: Do you consider yourself an introvert versus versus an extrovert?

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Speaker 1: What's your take on that?

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Speaker 2: I used to date someone who was into astrology. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: So when you like go on the website and you're

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Speaker 1: Do you eat healthy? I have at times. I used

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Speaker 1: your in your personal life, when you're like just talking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that like my interview style, which is

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Speaker 2: I think it came way before, you know, because you know,

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Speaker 2: Definitely, because I want to have grandkids who are like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now that you put it that way, maybe I

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Speaker 1: Or I could just get a sick ass caretaker. You

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Speaker 2: Or no, that's going to be a crazy life. Like Dad,

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Speaker 2: what were you doing when you were you know, before

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Speaker 1: You want to take some phone calls? I'm down.

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Speaker 2: This is such an awesome concept. Ye, So for those

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Speaker 5: So basically I've been watching show for a while and

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Speaker 5: very independent. First off, I've been with other relations ships

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Speaker 7: Man, I mean, I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for being so honest and open about this.

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Speaker 1: She wants you to earn it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's sort of a subtle indication like hey, kay, Cairo,

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Speaker 1: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 9: I'm young. I'm only twenty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if it makes you feel that bad. And

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Speaker 5: No, I use the I'm more of a banana Moji

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Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, kyro, is there anything you want to tell

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Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, I didn't even expect to be on

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Speaker 5: But for the people, I mean, like you get said,

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Speaker 5: I guess that goes with any uh situation in your life.

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Speaker 5: If things are not going your way, you can either

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we hope you make the right decision. Kyron Cairo, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Tyrol, thank you, and Andrew. I love you man,

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Speaker 5: Uh love your videos and love.

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Speaker 1: You take love you guys, love you too. Wow. He

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because it's so interesting that people call

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it's like, oh my god, no one does

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Speaker 1: But you know, I got to.

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Speaker 2: Put myself in the right position in person, you know,

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Speaker 2: a fake name and I didn't give any like super

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00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 2: obvious details tipping people off that it was me, if

439
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,160
Speaker 2: they knew me, I would call here and to shut out.

440
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 2: So now that I get it, it's kind of a

441
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:22,680
Speaker 2: dope concept.

442
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like the I mean it's quasi anonymous

443
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,919
Speaker 1: because you know, people can't give them but they give

444
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:28,440
Speaker 1: a fake name.

445
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 2: Yea.

446
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 1: And I feel like the anonymous has definitely empowers people

447
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,239
Speaker 1: to like be vulnerable a lot more. Should we take

448
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: another one? Hello? Hey, hey man, you're on the show.

449
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:52,360
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, this is so exciting. Hi, Lyle and high Andrew.

450
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 1: How you doing, man, how's it going? Man?

451
00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 6: It's it's I'm in a situation right now, but it's

452
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 6: better now that you called.

453
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 2: Can you tell us a bit about the situation that

454
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Speaker 2: you're currently in?

455
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 6: Okay, long story short. I was leaving town and my

456
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 6: car started making some weird noises and doing all this

457
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 6: mechanical stuff. So I turned around to go back into

458
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 6: town to drop my car off at the place I

459
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 6: had it recently worked on, and I explained to them everything.

460
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Speaker 6: And I lived three hours away from this said town,

461
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 6: you know, so my only rescue is my uncle right now.

462
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 6: And I called him if he could come and pick

463
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Speaker 6: me up, and he's like, okay. And I think that

464
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Speaker 6: was about an hour and a half ago. And the

465
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Speaker 6: shop closes at six pm, and so I gave the

466
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Speaker 6: mechanic my keys, and I said, all right, I'm away

467
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Speaker 6: in my car. So I waited my car and I

468
00:21:53,960 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 6: fell asleep and then oh no, oh man, and they

469
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 6: they locked the yard up. So I'm locked in here.

470
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 6: But it's okay though, because I'm on therapy.

471
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 1: Jeto, you're locked in the yard, and is your uncle still?

472
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 1: I kind of got lost a little bit with the timeline.

473
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Speaker 1: Is your uncle on the way or did he miss

474
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Speaker 1: you and you have to spend the night in the yard.

475
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 6: He's curling on the way, and I'm gonna have to

476
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 6: jump this barbed wire fence and go on about the

477
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Speaker 6: rest of my night.

478
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,360
Speaker 2: Is it barbed wire or is it razor wire? Can

479
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 2: you take a closer look?

480
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 6: Let me see, let me look at It's okay, it's

481
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 6: jumpableth it's simple.

482
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: Well, if if you're worried about scraping your hands or

483
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,719
Speaker 2: knees or whatever, take the carpet from under your feet

484
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: where you sit when you drive, Take your carpet from

485
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Speaker 2: the floor of the car, throw it over the barbed

486
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 2: wire so you can grab on and use the leverage

487
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: and just vault yourself over.

488
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Speaker 6: Oh definitely. And if anything, I can dig under it.

489
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: If I would not suggest digging a hole or tunnel

490
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: under the barb wire fence, it might take you a

491
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 2: long time, you know.

492
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: Wait, do you have food and water? Man?

493
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 6: I actually have a whole case of water in my

494
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 6: car because I use that to work out after work

495
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 6: during the week.

496
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: Lucky, lucky man. That's convenient.

497
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: Well, man, I hope that your uncle comes in time.

498
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: It's a good thing. That's you know, non electric, non

499
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 2: razor barbed wire.

500
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: Use that carpet.

501
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 6: Find your I'll find out if it's electric or not goth.

502
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: Is there anything you want to say to the people

503
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Speaker 1: of the computer or to me or Andrew before we go.

504
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 6: Yes, definitely. I would like to say that I am

505
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 6: the first Navajo to successfully call into therapy, Get go.

506
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Speaker 2: Congratulations. Are you in a New Mexico or Arizona right now?

507
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 6: I am in Arizona. That's where I reside.

508
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: And what is the closest are you off? I forty?

509
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: I am? Oh?

510
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, I well, I am. I forty is about forty

511
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 6: five miles south of where I reside.

512
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 2: Okay, you're on the Arizona side. Oh okay, you live

513
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 2: north of ice forty. So do you live?

514
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 6: Yeah?

515
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 2: What's closer to your house? Flagstaff or gallop?

516
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 6: Gallop is closer. But I went. I drove all the

517
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 6: way to Farmington, New Mexico, which is three hours away,

518
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 6: because that's where I had to work done on my car.

519
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: So you're stuck. You're stuck in northeast Arizona right now?

520
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, yep.

521
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: Thank you for calling.

522
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Speaker 8: Bro.

523
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 2: I wish you the best for real Take Care of GOS.

524
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I am appreciate your show so much. It's really

525
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 6: helped me with my depression. And also, Andrew, I really

526
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 6: enjoyed Channel five. I just recently got done with the

527
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 6: hell Satan episode.

528
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: Thank you.

529
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. What are your thoughts on those Satanists

530
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 2: in that video.

531
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 6: I believe they can do whatever they want. Anyone can

532
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 6: do whatever they want as long as they positive.

533
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: That's a wonderful message spoken like a true Arizona libertarian.

534
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: Take care Goth, Thank you.

535
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 3: Fuck Deven.

536
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: Man. He really like called the perfect person. You gave

537
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: him practical advice on how to get out of there.

538
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: Well, because I've once you said he was NAVO, I

539
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: know the boundaries of the reservation. Yeah, so I just

540
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 2: thought about where he was, because if he's off I forty,

541
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: you know, at like a quick trip or a you

542
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 2: know circle K or pilot flying Jay, he's not stuck. Yeah,

543
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: so he's probably in like a small talent on the reservation.

544
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: What did you tell him to do again? You told

545
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,239
Speaker 1: him to take the carpet out from his car and

546
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: wrap the barbed wire in there. Wrap the part of

547
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: the barbed wire that you plan to vault because that's smart.

548
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just makes it so you don't cut yourself.

549
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: But barbs aren't too bad.

550
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: I want to I want to know how you learned that.

551
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: If you had to jump a lot of barbed wire

552
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: in your life.

553
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, just periodically. It's not like I go around,

554
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: you know, doing an illegal parkour or anything like that.

555
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: Right, dude, do you have your as that ever fucked

556
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: you up?

557
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: Like?

558
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you can get tetanus from the like

559
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: rusty barbs if it's an old fence. But yeah, I mean,

560
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: barb barbed wire is easy. It just sounds scary.

561
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm happy you were able to give him

562
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: like a practical So a lot of the times people

563
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: call in here and I'm like, listen, I'm happy to

564
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: talk you through being locked in a in a auto yard,

565
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: but I don't think I have a practical solution for you.

566
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: But you gave him a very practical solution. Yeah, he seemed, uh,

567
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: he seemed stoked to that guy's that was awesome. Yeah,

568
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: fuk with him. Yeah, let's talk to Gabby from DC.

569
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: Gabby from DC, Hey, Gabby.

570
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Hey, what's going on?

571
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: Gabby?

572
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 3: Mem Oh my god.

573
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to the show.

574
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 6: Gabby either Andrew either?

575
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: Awhile, what's up?

576
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: Notesn't much, just just chilling at home.

577
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing good? We're doing good. We're

578
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: hanging out, it says here, Gabby, Gabby, can I can

579
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: I tell the people what you told the call screener?

580
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: Yes, of course.

581
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: It says here that you recently ghosted your dumb What

582
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: does that mean, Gabby? What does that mean?

583
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I was in a dominant sub dynamic and

584
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 3: yeah for about three months. It was kind of my

585
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 3: first time trying it out. Cool for the most part,

586
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 3: but I definitely ghosted the guy a couple of weeks ago.

587
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I feel I feel kind of

588
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 3: bad about that. I feel like I just should have

589
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 3: been upfront.

590
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: But out of curiosity.

591
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 2: Before we get into the whole ghosting thing, how does

592
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: one go about meeting another person to involve themselves in

593
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: a like BDSM subdom situation.

594
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: That is a great question. There's a lot of people

595
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: on tender actually, and uh, that's where I met this dude.

596
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: And yeah, like his profile was kind of sketchy, a

597
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: little bit, not gonna lie, but you know, like he

598
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: gave me a Snapchat and we kind of just started

599
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 3: talking there and he was like, yeah, obviously, you know,

600
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 3: I hate for someone from my work to like find

601
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: me on here or something like that.

602
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, can I Is there anything about his profile

603
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: in particular that set off like red flags of sketchiness,

604
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: you know.

605
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 5: In retrospect?

606
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: Not really, but I guess initially, you know, when people

607
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 3: don't have like pictures of their faces at all, and

608
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: their pictures it's kind of like, oh.

609
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 6: That's kind of weird.

610
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: Did you have a pictures of his face? No?

611
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: Not, not on his tender Yeah, okay.

612
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: So you gotta start talking. What was the first time

613
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: that y'all hung out?

614
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: We hung out actually, like we talked mostly like over

615
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: text and on snapchat for about like three or four weeks,

616
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: so it was a while, Like we chatted a while

617
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: before actually meeting up, and yeah, eventually met up.

618
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Cool.

619
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: First time was fun. You know, you guys had a

620
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: good thing going for a while.

621
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

622
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 8: It was cool.

623
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: It's definitely something new. Yeah, Like he has like a

624
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: certain specific set of rules for like subs, like entering

625
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: his house, which is like a whole thing, like but yeah,

626
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 3: it was it.

627
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 4: Was cool, it was gone.

628
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: Can we get the lay down on the rules? Yeah?

629
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I gotta take off your clothes at the door,

630
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: and everything is yes, daddy, no, daddy, Thank you daddy.

631
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: And I mean those are pretty those are pretty much

632
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 3: the basics.

633
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 9: I would say.

634
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: Now, is there some sort of punishment that's inflicted if

635
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: you break this code?

636
00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

637
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, most of them more like I guess, humiliation type

638
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: punishments like doing jumping jacks naked or you know, something

639
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: like that.

640
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,239
Speaker 1: You know that is humiliating, It actually would be.

641
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine you're somebody's like, you got you're pissing me off,

642
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: take off your clothes and give me twenty I'd be

643
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: like Jesus Christ, Okay, so I got you.

644
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fun for a while.

645
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: What prompted you to just decide to just ghost this

646
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: dude as opposed to giving him a courteous goodbye?

647
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 3: I think like over like the three months that we

648
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: were hanging out and talking like and maybe I should

649
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: have been more upfront about this myself and retrospect, but

650
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: there was just a lot of give on my side.

651
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: I feel like I wasn't receiving much in the war,

652
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: you know, what I mean, Like it was just like, oh,

653
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: good girl, and like that's cool, Like that's always wanted

654
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: to hear. But you know it's I'm like, you gotta

655
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: get you know, some more than that.

656
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. Reminds me of the first color that

657
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: we had. Yeah, it was talking about how he wasn't

658
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: you know, definitely he didn't feel like he was getting

659
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: what he was putting into the situation. Definitely did you

660
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: try to ask for like a little bit more out

661
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: of it?

662
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: I did, Like initially I was like, hey, like, you know,

663
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: don't I deserve a reward for this or whatever?

664
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: You know? Is there like when you say a reward

665
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: when you say, is there like a specific thing that

666
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: you wanted him to do that he wasn't doing, not.

667
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: Even really specific, like I would say, like I don't know,

668
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, maybe I get to maybe we

669
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: get to do it in like a position that I

670
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: prefer something or like that, like you know, being a

671
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 3: sub like you're I'm down in like I'm I'm excited

672
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: by like kind of stretching my limits and all that

673
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: good stuff.

674
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I.

675
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 3: Don't know, sometimes you you want to like also, I

676
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: don't know, like, no, I hear you, So I have

677
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: your own desires met.

678
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we've established that he wasn't really holding up

679
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: his end of the of the bargain in this situation.

680
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: So what truly makes you feel bad about ghosting him?

681
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: You know what?

682
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: Why does that make you feel like something that you regret?

683
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: I feel like I think that if I like it's

684
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, if I were more were vocal and

685
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: maybe had like this whole conversation with him that like,

686
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: you know, we probably could have remedied the situation or

687
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 3: figured out, you know, how to how to like change

688
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 3: things around, you know, or maybe have some different rules

689
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: or whatever.

690
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, it's it's kind of hard, like

691
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: when you're when you're a sub part as part of you, like, no,

692
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: that's not my place in the like subdom dynamic to

693
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: like back up about what you want. Yeah, that's a

694
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: hard way to It's a hard thing to maneuver. Yeah,

695
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: because you have to be like end scene. Yes, you

696
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: have to be Yes, you have to be like let's

697
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: take out of let's get out of this for a second.

698
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: I need you to dominate me this way, okay, three

699
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: two one.

700
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: Because being a sub doesn't mean, you know, being submissive in.

701
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: A healthy conversation, of course. Yes, of course, there's got

702
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: to be a point where you're.

703
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: Like, all right, we're done with our whole subdom thing,

704
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: Like can you can you just be less of a dick?

705
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's a hard it's a hard it's a

706
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: hard thing to man.

707
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you're supposed to say, like shut the fuck up.

708
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: I mean like you're just don't say anything to me.

709
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, it's really slowed down. Yeah, it's over.

710
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: We stop doing this, we stop doing the thing. Yeah,

711
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, I feel like the people,

712
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: like I feel like people in that community they have

713
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: to have the ability to like, Okay, let's step out

714
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: of our roles for a second and like talk like adults,

715
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: get everything on the same page, and then we'll go back. Yeah.

716
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 2: Well, the BDSM people are like the most hyper aware

717
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: of that kind of stuff, of.

718
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: Course, yeah, because they have to be Communication, yeah, is

719
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: like the key for them. Yeah.

720
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do think that, like the subdom thing,

721
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know anyone who's had that going on,

722
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: but it seems like it could work.

723
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: You know, that was healthy communication. Are you going to. Okay,

724
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: So now that you've got this guy, Gabby, are you

725
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: going to like go back out and try to find

726
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: a new domb or are you taking a break?

727
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 3: You know, like I do want to get back out there.

728
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 3: I'm definitely gonna try that, and yeah, hopefully this time around.

729
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 3: I don't know, like I think now that, like I've

730
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: been talking to you guys about it, I realized that

731
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: we never had like those breaks.

732
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, you should. You should have had this conversation.

733
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: You should have had this conversation. You definitely should have listen.

734
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 2: You know, I'm curious when you say ghosted, Like how

735
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: many times has he texted you now to novel?

736
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 3: About seven times? And I just I just have not responded?

737
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: Did do you? Is there like because you have okay,

738
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: so you obviously care about this. You obviously feel like

739
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: a weird sort of moral conflict because if you didn't,

740
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: you would you wouldn't even be calling us right now.

741
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: So would reaching back out to him settle any like

742
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: anxiety going on in your brain about the situation or

743
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: or do you just want to move past it?

744
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: I think I just want to move past it. I

745
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: feel like if I reached back out now, it'd be like,

746
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 3: you know, like what the fuck like it's been. It's

747
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 3: been a couple of weeks, so I don't think I'm

748
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: gonna like yeah.

749
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: I like to give you a piece of advice on this,

750
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: because obviously, if this guy is going out seeking some

751
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 2: seeking these kinds of arrangements, he should probably know where

752
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: exactly things went wrong so that he can be a

753
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: better dumb to other people in the future. So if

754
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 2: I was you, I would I know it's a getting

755
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: probably awkward, but this is the healthiest thing to do.

756
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 2: You don't have to do it is text him and say, hey, man,

757
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: you know I'm sorry that I've left you on red

758
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: seven times. There was a lot of points in our

759
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: in our arrangement where I felt like I wasn't really

760
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 2: getting what I wanted out of it, and I felt

761
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: like we should have had a better conversation. I had

762
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: a great time hanging out. For the time being, I

763
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: feel like doing my own thing now. I hope you

764
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: have a great rest of your life. Let me know

765
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: if you're any sort of urgent circumstance that you really

766
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: need to talk to me or something, and I'll be

767
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: I'll be here for you.

768
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Yeah, what do you think about that, Gabby?

769
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think I could definitely send something

770
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, I think I might do I think

771
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: I might just do that.

772
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate that you should.

773
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think it would make you feel better, and

774
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure that it would make him feel better because

775
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: the problem with ghosting is that there's so many unanswered questions. Obviously,

776
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: you know, you opening up to us, we understand, you

777
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: know why that happened, but you know he's probably in

778
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 2: the dark thinking like, holy shit, what did I do?

779
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like, why does this person

780
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: hate me?

781
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 9: Yeah?

782
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: He deserves some clarity as well.

783
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's a cool guy. I don't I don't

784
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: want to.

785
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can send that text and then just block him,

786
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean?

787
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: Gabby?

788
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 8: Uh?

789
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 1: Do you do you feel like in the future you'll

790
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, start to adapt a little

791
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: bit more communication with the people that you, you know, uh,

792
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: engage with in this in this way?

793
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 3: Definitely? I think, like maybe because it was like my

794
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 3: first time trying something like that, I didn't really know like, oh,

795
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 3: can I like speak up really about this or you know,

796
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: does this always have to be this way, so I

797
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 3: think like moving forward, Like I don't know, I I

798
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 3: definitely you know, see myself like having those conversations up front.

799
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: You know. Well, Gabby, thank you very much for being

800
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: vulnerable with us and taking us through the situation. Is

801
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: there anything that you want to say to the computer

802
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: before we go?

803
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 3: Love you guys, chat and love you Lyle and.

804
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: Andrew, Thank you, Mat, Thank you so much. It really

805
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: appreciates you opening up to us and coming on. Take care, Gabby.

806
00:39:59,440 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: Bye.

807
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: Wow, Gabby was really cool. She was really cool. It's

808
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: really sick. Yeah, I'm I'm I love a call where

809
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: like I feel like we all we all learned something.

810
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I learned, especially too, Like I'm a I'm

811
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: a pretty confident person and you know, my job is

812
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: like talking to people all the time. I'm super good

813
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: at being upfront and being like this is how I feel,

814
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: this is what I want. But there's a lot of

815
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: people out there who are afraid to, like you know,

816
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: really express their needs and once totally just kind of

817
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: let things sit and hope they figure themselves out. And

818
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: like I understand that, Like obviously those kinds of people

819
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: don't like confrontation, so they want to you know, keep

820
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: things smooth. But I think it's always healthy to just

821
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 2: like figure out how to address something.

822
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: Do you, like, do you date people or are you

823
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: too like focused on on the career and.

824
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 2: What I'd like to you know, but my I guess

825
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: travel schedule, you could call it, the job that I

826
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: have makes it hard because you know, like I'm constantly

827
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: moving around and I'm always gonna put.

828
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: Like that right now.

829
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, down the line, I think it'd

830
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: be pretty sick to have like a monogamous wife type relationship.

831
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: At some point in my life. But yeah, I do

832
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: date here and there. Are you on like the Tenders

833
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: and stuff like that? Not really on Riyah.

834
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: I actually recently got accepted to Rayah, and I just

835
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: like went on to see if it was like real

836
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: deal celebrities. I was hoping it would be like the

837
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: the Beebers of the World totally, Carlie raid Jepson totally.

838
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't even know what that is. But Lana del

839
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: Rey like Anne Hathaway. But it's just like a you know,

840
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: senior marketing advisors from Miami, and like, you know, I

841
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: guess that's like the girl equivalent of like a bitcoin

842
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 2: crypto guy.

843
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: As a as a advisor, just someone who has manages

844
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: and represents influencers. Is there like a type of person

845
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: you're looking for, or like the type of person you

846
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: feel like you jive with well in a relationship.

847
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: Oh, like like city people. City people, Yeah, like people

848
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: who move fast, think fast, confident city walkers.

849
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: Do you want someone who is like you or somebody

850
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: who's like a compliment to you?

851
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: Probably a compliment because like I'm a pretty chaotic person.

852
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: You want someone who is a little bit more, someone more.

853
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: Grounded and centered, but also like has it like a

854
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: lot of endurance for like Shenanigans because you know we're

855
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 2: switching states every couple of days.

856
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, like, yeah.

857
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: It's hard to date someone who goes from like a

858
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: Trump rally to Ukraine.

859
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: Right, someone who's like on board with you, but like

860
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, when you're like that, she'll kind of be like,

861
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: hey remember.

862
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: Someone who like really does their own thing to where

863
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: I can be stoked as well. Total total I'm like,

864
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: that's sick that you did that, not just like compliment.

865
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: All the time.

866
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, yeah, I really don't prioritize dating though.

867
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: Are you a guy like with with Gabby. You gave

868
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: hers like a great you gave her like a.

869
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: Great thing to text that guy. Yeah, and you're with

870
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: your friends and like just the people you know in

871
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: your personal life? Are you you the guy people go

872
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: to when they have something going on?

873
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: And just since the rise to whatever, like viral fame, Yeah,

874
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: over the past couple of years, I've dealt with a

875
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: lot of manipulators and really shitty friends and partners and everything.

876
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 2: And just like people manipulating, you know, people treat you

877
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: different and they do different things to you know, feel

878
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 2: like they can control you. You have traction and stuff

879
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: going on. Yeah, So I've just developed different strategies to like,

880
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: you know, end things or start things on a good note.

881
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: So like I just know like what to do in

882
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 2: that those kinds of situations.

883
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: So being the subject of like, you know, people manipulating

884
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: you because of like the rise, has that changed your

885
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: trust level sort of?

886
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: But I mean I look at it as a positive

887
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 2: because it makes me realize, Okay, who are my actual

888
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: friends who's like near me?

889
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: For clout That sounds dumb, but that's why. No, I

890
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: mean it's a thing that just.

891
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: Naturally my friend group has tightened up a lot to

892
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: where like I spend a lot of time with my

893
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: two best friends. Of course I don't have like five

894
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: groups of best friends in different cities like I did

895
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: when I was twenty two. Yeah, I have like five

896
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: to six close friends, and so I don't really deal

897
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: with that kind of stuff anymore.

898
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: But it was that.

899
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: Middle ground where I was like exploding in popularity online

900
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 2: while trying to have a normal life.

901
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: Things were more difficult. And you work with your two friends,

902
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: Nick and Evan, Yeah, what's your relationship like with them?

903
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: I mean they're just you know, day to day best friends. Yeah,

904
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: you know, they helped me through everything. I help them

905
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: through everything. But yeah, I mean we lived in the

906
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: RV together, and you know.

907
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: Is it like because a lot of the times it's

908
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: like really hard to like work with people who are

909
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: also your like your genuine like good friends. Is there

910
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: ever any like conflict or anything?

911
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: Only because we're so in sync and we do things

912
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: on our own terms like totally, you know, I mean, are.

913
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: The roles pretty heavily defined? Everyone knows what they do.

914
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: The interviewing, and like I have the final say on

915
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: the edits typically like Nick is like the best music

916
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: scoring person. Ever, he's also like really nice with the

917
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 2: cameras and just like visually gifted Evan's Evan's sort of

918
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: like all in one, you know, because Evan doesn't really edit,

919
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: doesn't really interview, but he helps just to write them

920
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: out with everything and also like manages things on like

921
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 2: the business and scheduling side, because that's kind of like

922
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: where he's oriented. But like, yeah, it's a good team.

923
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want it to be any bigger or any smaller.

924
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: And so I remember reading somewhere like one of them

925
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: is your college friends, Yeah, and one is your high

926
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: school friends. Yeah.

927
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: Evan and I went to high school together in Seattle. Yeah,

928
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: Nick and I am met in college in New Orleans.

929
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: And then did you take them and kind of bang

930
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: them together? And now they're best friends as well?

931
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're definitely best friends. Nice, it's a three way

932
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: best friend just triple triangle?

933
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 10: Is it?

934
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: Is it hard when you have to like work with

935
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: people like outside of the tight we.

936
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: Have a couple of people like our homie Nate, like

937
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: we trust a lot. Yeah, there's definitely people our friend Kendra, like,

938
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: there's people who we work with are like solid.

939
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: But it's a small network.

940
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: Because it does because it should be small totally don't

941
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: need that many people around.

942
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying.

943
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: Like when I'm used to like giving good advice for

944
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: like ending thing, Yeah, like I.

945
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: Know how to trim the fat because you've had the end. Yeah.

946
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: I used to work for.

947
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 2: A giant media company, but doing things media, of course

948
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: we had to separate and I had to I had

949
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: to send I had to, you know, send a lot

950
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: of text messages like that.

951
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: You know, so you're not you're totally comfortable with you

952
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 1: can have You're good having hard conversations, Yes, definitely nice.

953
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: That's it's an important skill to have. I feel like

954
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people want to just speaking up at

955
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: the right time and being like yo, fuck this, so

956
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: what the trust thing? And like, you know, knowing, you know,

957
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: trying to figure who your real friends are. Like, I mean,

958
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: obviously you've been all over the world talk to all

959
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: sorts of people. Do you think people in general are good? Yeah?

960
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: You think the default person has a oh definitely, dude.

961
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to suggest otherwise would just be like

962
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 2: so nihilistic totally. I mean I do think that like

963
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: everyone has you know, really has a bad side to them,

964
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: you know, And there is groups of people that are

965
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 2: more aggressive than others and more hateful than others. But

966
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: I think it generally, especially if someone becomes comfortable and

967
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: they're in their element, they're a good person. I think

968
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: there's people that get into unfamiliar environments, like imagine like

969
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: someone from you know, Southeast Portland. Yeah, getting like dropped

970
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 2: in the ozarks, right or Rice versa, It brings something

971
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: out of you.

972
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would just be.

973
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: More combative, more aggressive, because you know, uncomfortability breeds hostility.

974
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: You know, if you're in like a tight spot, you're

975
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: just like you lash out because you're like, oh I

976
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: feel uncomfortable.

977
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: Uh No, I think most people are good. So is

978
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: there any type of situation because you've been in all

979
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: these situations, is there anything that like does make you uncomfortable?

980
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: Just like racist shit?

981
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like that, of course, something about that,

982
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: like you just like I can I can listen to

983
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 2: a lot, but I cannot agree or like level with

984
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: someone who's like on their like N word shit.

985
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: Have you ever had somebody like just really going at

986
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: it like that into the mic and you had to

987
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: pull away? Honestly?

988
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: In those moments I keep the mic there. Yeah, because

989
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: I got to show the ignorance. Yeah, of course I

990
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 2: can't withdraw on the eleventh are you.

991
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: Are you fightings back like saying something?

992
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 5: Oh?

993
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because of how I was raised around a

994
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: lot of different, you know, types of people, like when

995
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: when white people get really racist, I just can't. It

996
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: just makes me so mad. But yeah, I don't do

997
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: it that too much. But yeah, that that shit pass

998
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: me off for sure.

999
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: Hey do you want to take more calls? Yeah? Sure,

1000
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: talk to Liz. This is a cute one. Liz.

1001
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 8: Hello, I didn't think I would actually get through.

1002
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: You have a very kind voice here, might be of

1003
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: a kindergarten teacher.

1004
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 9: Thank you.

1005
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 8: That makes me very happy.

1006
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: You just made my night, Liz. It says here that

1007
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: you have a habit of stealing plants off of your

1008
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: college campus grounds and then gifting them to your professors.

1009
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: That's not a problem, No, it's not.

1010
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 8: It's actually really wonderful. Okay, So I'm a biology major.

1011
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 8: I'm actually graduating tomorrow, which is crazy. But I love

1012
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 8: plants so much. I feel like they're very underappreciated, and

1013
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 8: whoever does the landscaping in my college does an awesome job.

1014
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 8: So whenever I see a biology professor who does not

1015
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 8: have a plant in their office, I just borrow a

1016
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 8: plant from campus and transfer it, you know.

1017
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: And I think that colleges are grossly overfunded, just like

1018
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: corporations are. So I think that by stealing from someone

1019
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: like a large university or like a Walmart, you're actually

1020
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: creating jobs because the absence of the foliage will cause

1021
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: them to hire more landscapers, just like if Walmart is

1022
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: missing toothpaste, they will, you know, just place another order

1023
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 2: at Colgate.

1024
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 1: It's a drop in the bucket.

1025
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: And the delight that you're causing your professors to expec

1026
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 2: experience it's more important than any sort of financial loss

1027
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: your college could take.

1028
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 8: Thank you, Thank you.

1029
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 4: I like that justification.

1030
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, now I've got a question, Liz. Do the

1031
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: professors know that the plants are stolen from the campus.

1032
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 8: A couple of them? Do I waited for like the

1033
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 8: last minute too, to tell them that a couple of

1034
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 8: the plants that gave them were not mine originally.

1035
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: Do they ever have a problem with there? Are they

1036
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: ever like I can't accept this on those grounds?

1037
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 2: No?

1038
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 8: No, because I tell them by the time they've grown

1039
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 8: like kind of emotionally attached to them. Because I encourage

1040
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 8: everyone to name their plants. I think that just really

1041
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 8: establishes that, like this is mine.

1042
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: Now. Is that the most illegal thing you've ever done?

1043
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 8: Ooh, that's a good question, thank you. I don't live

1044
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 8: a very dangerous life.

1045
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 1: Think high school?

1046
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 8: High school?

1047
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 6: Oh?

1048
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 8: Is that one time?

1049
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: No? Like driving? Okay, you egged a house?

1050
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 2: Was it a random house or was it the house

1051
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: of an enemy?

1052
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 8: So I was at a sleepover with a bunch of girls.

1053
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 8: I was on like the volleyball team in high school.

1054
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 8: So this is what we did every year for like

1055
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 8: team bonding, And then we did drugs as a team too,

1056
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 8: and did something bad?

1057
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: Which which drugs did you do?

1058
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: Are you talking about, you know, doing pharmaceuticals out of

1059
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: your parents' medicine cabinet? Are we talking about heading downtown

1060
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: to score some smack?

1061
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 9: Oh?

1062
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 8: No, we're just talking about like terrible week?

1063
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: Okay, bad weed? Are are you? Are you from a state? Where?

1064
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: What state are you from?

1065
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 8: I'm from North Carolina?

1066
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: Okay that that that adds up in terms of bad weed. HM.

1067
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: So so do you have any do you have any

1068
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: desire to like get into danger like is danger like

1069
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: does it call out to you at all? Or are

1070
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: you perfectly happy living without it?

1071
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 8: You know, I think I do want a little bit

1072
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 8: more of a thrill in my life. I think I do,

1073
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 8: like objectively, like I guess like I'm not afraid to

1074
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 8: say things or just ask in a very authentic way,

1075
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 8: which kind of gives me a thrill sometimes. So like,

1076
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 8: as a side note, I have this condition that makes

1077
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 8: me faint all the time, like I passed out, and

1078
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 8: after passing out and in front of enough like three

1079
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 8: hundred percent lecture halls, I just like don't care anymore

1080
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 8: about many things.

1081
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: And it's wonderful, absolutely, And I'm sure the professors are

1082
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: just delighted to receive these plants. So I think that honestly,

1083
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: you should keep doing what you should, keep doing what

1084
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: you're doing. I think that on the moral totem pole,

1085
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: you're doing more good than harm. And Liz, just keep

1086
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 2: racking those plants, keep making professor's days. Congratulations on graduation.

1087
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: Thanks.

1088
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, I have to totally prepare for that tonight.

1089
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 10: I neglected to do that, Liz before we go, do

1090
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 10: you have any like the people out there who maybe

1091
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 10: hear this conversation and are inspired by you and all

1092
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 10: the joy that you get out of plants.

1093
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: Do you have a recommendation for a plant for like

1094
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: a first time or someone who's like, man, I'm really

1095
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: inspired by Liz. I want to get a plant. What

1096
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 1: plant should they get? Liz?

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00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 8: Oh, okay, I know exactly. Okay, So there's a plant, like,

1098
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 8: it's a hawthornyon plant.

1099
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: Say that one more time. Hawthornia zebra zebra. Okay, Hawthornia zebra.

1100
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 8: This thing is so hard to kill. Like I've had

1101
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 8: one of them for like eight years now, and it

1102
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 8: keeps on propagating and it's kind of overwhelming actually, because

1103
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 8: now I have multiple hawthornious zebra plants and they're all

1104
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 8: propagating at the same time, and I really just can't

1105
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 8: take as many baby plant.

1106
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: Thank you, beautiful. I feel like we're gonna I feel

1107
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: like at some point I'll get a DM from someone

1108
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: who's like showed takes a picture of their plane, like

1109
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: I bought a hawthorniy and zebra plant.

1110
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to improve somebody's air quality and mental

1111
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: health in the chat right now. Well, thank you for calling, Liz.

1112
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Bye bye, what a nice person. Yeah,

1113
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 2: she was super cool. Fact that she's doing something so

1114
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: misdemeanorish and she feels bad enough to call in for

1115
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: the for moral resolution.

1116
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: It was amazing. Do you do you have a plants?

1117
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: Do plants?

1118
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: I always get plants, Like I become plant guy, like

1119
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 2: a couple times a year. But then I leave town

1120
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: and my plants always die.

1121
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: You know.

1122
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 2: So every I've gone to like nurseries here and spent

1123
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: like four hundred bucks freshest like ceramic pots, sickest plants,

1124
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: and then I'm like, I'm gonna.

1125
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: Take care of you, you know.

1126
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: And then I go somewhere and I end up like

1127
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: on the East Coast for a month, and I come

1128
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: back and it's just like a plant graveyard.

1129
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: But what kind of plants do you typically get when

1130
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: you get plants?

1131
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: Dude? I just basic ones, A couple of ferns.

1132
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: When you get when you get a plant, what do

1133
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: you like looking? What need are you looking to fill

1134
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: with the plants?

1135
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: I like sort of a you know, wide plumage, you know,

1136
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: sort of hanging hanging plants. I like when they drape

1137
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 2: down from the ceiling and make my walls look like

1138
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: they're covered in ivy. Yeah, good amount of money.

1139
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Hey, you're on the show. Where do

1140
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: you think he is right now?

1141
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 9: If you make a.

1142
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: Guess, Harrison's at the grocery store. He's ordering raisins. Do

1143
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: you know that you're on the show? Is this a

1144
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 2: pocket dial show?

1145
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: You're on the show? Brother a bunch of people? Hello,

1146
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: what's up man?

1147
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 4: What's up man?

1148
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: How are you doing good? See your question?

1149
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: Says Harrison from Ohio wants to ask Gek and Andrew

1150
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: if he should continue to use shrooms and acid?

1151
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: Can you tell us about that?

1152
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 4: Yes, I would love to talk about that.

1153
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 8: I I did a.

1154
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: Hold on one second, Harrison, Harrison. Can you hear me?

1155
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: You can hear me? Harris Harrison? Am I are we

1156
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: on like the cars speakerphone or like a speakerphone or

1157
00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: something like that.

1158
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 4: Catch I'm outside right now? Is that better?

1159
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: Okay? That's way whatever you just did way better?

1160
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 8: All right?

1161
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: Bet?

1162
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: Okay? What you were sorry? You were you were explaining,

1163
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: you were explaining to us your question. You know.

1164
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: It says here that you're twenty two, your name's Harrison,

1165
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: You're from Ohio, and you'd like to ask us if

1166
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: you should continue to use acid and shrooms.

1167
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: Can you explain.

1168
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, So throughout the week, I'm usually working and I

1169
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 4: usually kind of average on doing like a tab tab

1170
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,919
Speaker 4: and a half every like two days, and at night

1171
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 4: just tripping my balls off off some good shit. And

1172
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's fucking with my brain because

1173
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 4: I've been having these weird dreams lately, and I'm on

1174
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 4: the medicine to help me with the dreams, but it's

1175
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 4: fucking weird and I don't know if I continue to

1176
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 4: bounce it out or uh.

1177
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: Uh, what type of medicine are you taking to cope

1178
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: with these dreams?

1179
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 4: It's like a one milligram of it's pros and I

1180
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 4: just started on I need to look at them, not prozac.

1181
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 4: It's like Prosian. Honestly, if you look up like the

1182
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 4: only the only like pill that can help with like

1183
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 4: nightmares or some ship it's just that it's like one

1184
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 4: till I don't know what specifically called. So uh yeah,

1185
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 4: it's just makes me have these weird dreams.

1186
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: So what happens in these nightmares that you're describing.

1187
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 4: Well, they're not really like nightmares. They're more just like

1188
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 4: like it kind of like manifests into my daily activities,

1189
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 4: like like my day from like the last whatever, Like

1190
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 4: I'll just have dreams about that and it'll just be

1191
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 4: like a weird like you like weird shit I'll see

1192
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 4: throughout the day, Like I don't know. It's like I'll

1193
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 4: see I don't even know, Like it's it's basically like

1194
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 4: a story like gone wrong, like throughout the day. It's

1195
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 4: like a fucking car crap or like like just some

1196
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 4: weird events and I don't know how to interpret that.

1197
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: Well. I would say this, like, you know, when I

1198
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: did a lot of those kinds of drugs when I

1199
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: was super young, and because of that, you know, a

1200
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 2: lot of people know that I have something called HPPD,

1201
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 2: which is hallucinogen persisting perception disorder, so that I have permanent,

1202
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: you know, visual problems like visual snow and floaters and

1203
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: tracers and such from not abusing just using a bunch

1204
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 2: of shrooms at a young age. That being said, I'm

1205
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: not anti drug or anti psychedelic. It just affected me badly.

1206
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 2: I know that it's a rare thing, but I would say, man,

1207
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty much a no brainer. If you want

1208
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 2: to ask me, if you're experiencing If you're doing a

1209
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 2: tab and a half every couple days and you're experiencing

1210
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: nightmares to the extent that you have to take a

1211
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 2: prescription medication to deal with them, I think it's a

1212
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: good time for you to slow down, if not, go

1213
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: cold y on the on the acid tabs and see

1214
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 2: if you're dreams dream schedule adjusts to to to that change.

1215
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:10,959
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would agree.

1216
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 4: I've had those thoughts already. It's just like I kind

1217
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 4: of have the addic mindset where I'm super just like

1218
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 4: fucking hooked.

1219
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 2: On it, like you're I'm gonna keep it real, you know,

1220
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 2: and this is this is a therapy podcast.

1221
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: But you are not addicted to LSD. You might be

1222
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: addicted to that.

1223
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 6: We'll not addicted.

1224
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 4: It's just like I know, you mean, I know it's

1225
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 4: not addictive. Maybe so I smoke with it too. So

1226
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 4: sometimes it kind of like chains and like I'll be

1227
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 4: like super trip and ball like even off the like

1228
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 4: heavier ship.

1229
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean, are you are you using are you using

1230
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: it to like cope with something in particular that you

1231
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: can peg it to.

1232
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 4: Honestly, I don't even I mean I kind of have

1233
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 4: some trauma, but I ain't like doing it to that extent.

1234
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 4: I don't know, just something like all my buddies went

1235
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 4: to the army and ship, so it's a little bit

1236
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 4: like solo.

1237
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,919
Speaker 2: You're just super bored, you're hell aboard and you miss

1238
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 2: your friends. So you're tripping out because it's it's it's

1239
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: giving you something to do, man, But you gotta stop.

1240
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 2: You gotta stop doing it though, man, because realistically, you know,

1241
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 2: LSD doesn't have a chemically addictive component, so you don't

1242
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: actually have You're not gonna have any kinds of like

1243
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: withdrawal symptoms if anything. You're just going to be super

1244
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: bored and kind of irritable because you're used to that routine.

1245
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, if you're having nightmares, dude, I know

1246
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard. But the advice that I'm giving

1247
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 2: you is just straight up you got to cut the

1248
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 2: tabs out.

1249
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1250
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 4: I'm kind of come to terms with that. I've already

1251
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 4: tried to quit, like multiple times. It's just kind of

1252
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 4: fucking hard when you don't have to do honestly I need.

1253
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it's going to bring up, is like

1254
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: I feel like if you want to wean on, this

1255
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: is like a feeling, got a classic like whatever drug

1256
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: thing like if you want to get rid of it,

1257
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: you got to replace it with something that's like positive.

1258
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: Can we like, is there anything if you have any

1259
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: hobbies or like anything you can think of that you

1260
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: you you know that you do that. Maybe you want

1261
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: to like lean into more, like like do to a

1262
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: sport and art anything.

1263
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1264
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just got along with a new job

1265
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 4: and I'm fucking loving it, just compared to some other shit.

1266
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 4: I think that might be helping them to like settle

1267
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 4: off and just focus some money. Oh they're going on

1268
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 4: a fucking target for a little bit, but it was

1269
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 4: just boring, monotonous. But I'm doing like a turf building

1270
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 4: installation with a bunch of buddies, like traveling ship. So

1271
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 4: I think maybe that routine can help me. They do that,

1272
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 4: like I've already kind of come to terms. It's just

1273
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 4: I don't really this is an addictive part. I guess

1274
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 4: my personality that hooked up.

1275
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha. So you guys, so you it sounds like

1276
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: you're getting along well with these people that you're building

1277
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: this church with. It sounds like you fuck with them.

1278
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 4: It's a sucking turf building oh, I.

1279
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: Thinks a church. Okay, you're doing aid. I was like,

1280
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: what's going on, man.

1281
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 4: Crazy building on baseball field and.

1282
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: You're installing a.

1283
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1284
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: Well I don't. I mean, I'm not. I'm not. I'm

1285
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: not disrespecting your plan.

1286
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 2: But I don't think that focusing on money is going

1287
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 2: to make you stop doing acid.

1288
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't think it's you. You said,

1289
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: you said, you said, you kind of mentioned money as

1290
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: an aside. You said that you like like this job.

1291
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: Is that true? Yeah?

1292
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just like you get to see a progression.

1293
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 4: I guess, like you're actually building something.

1294
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: Okay, word, so you you're enjoying the actual process of

1295
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: installing the astro turf because it gives you a sense

1296
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: of accomplishment.

1297
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 3: True.

1298
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it comes with a payment weekly, So it's

1299
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 4: kind of nice to.

1300
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,439
Speaker 1: Be like, oh, it's rare to like your job.

1301
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 2: If you can enjoy installing AstroTurf, you've already won the

1302
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 2: game of life.

1303
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: I will. I will sign off on that.

1304
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 4: Actually, well, guys, I appreciate I think I got a

1305
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 4: lot of shit from this. I think I'm gonna definitely

1306
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 4: quit this ship. I already come to term and just

1307
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 4: I can't talk to my fucking parents about this. It'll

1308
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 4: be tripper.

1309
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you definitely cannot talk to your parents about that.

1310
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: Any Any final words for the computer.

1311
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 4: Harrison, Uh, I would probably lay off the assid if

1312
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 4: you're younger than like eighteen or fucking I probably would

1313
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 4: just wait until you're like, yeah, twenty one or something.

1314
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 4: Don't it bucks with your like psychology and ship basically

1315
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 4: it definitely alters your brain, bro.

1316
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, but yeah, I'll just get out of ice.

1317
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 4: Fucking love people and fucking love you and you call

1318
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 4: hands peeks out.

1319
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: Beautiful, take care brother. I think he may have had

1320
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: a few beers before that clime. I I liked him.

1321
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: I like, uh, it's again, it's like it's a rare

1322
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: thing to enjoy your job. He seems like he's having

1323
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: fun with the these his buddies and ship. Yeah, you

1324
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: seem like you have something you have to say. It's

1325
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: just like, just don't do that. Just don't.

1326
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 2: If acids already fucking with you, yeah, just stop doing it.

1327
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, do you contell Like, I know

1328
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: you you did a whole bunch of drugs and stuff

1329
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: when you were younger, But do you do you still

1330
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: do acid and trums. No, no, I don't do any drugs. Now.

1331
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: Do you smoke weed? No? You didn't drink? No, I

1332
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: drink you. Now, how often do you get people being like, well, Andrew,

1333
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: were you like high when you were like coming up

1334
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: all the time? So annoying. I'm not anti weed, I'm

1335
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: not anti anything.

1336
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 8: I just like.

1337
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: The the annoying thing is, you know, I get high

1338
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: and stuff. But the annoying thing is when people are like,

1339
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: I have this weird assumption that you like can't be

1340
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: funny or creative without like drugs.

1341
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, that's real, like bird brains shit.

1342
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1343
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 2: I mean I think that drugs early in life make

1344
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: you a cooler person. You know, pretty much all of

1345
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 2: my friends, you know, abused alcohol and drugs before the

1346
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 2: age of eighteen. I think it teaches you a bunch

1347
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 2: of stuff early, and you go into adulthood like a

1348
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 2: true soldier.

1349
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: What did it teach you? I don't even know. It's

1350
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: hard to explain.

1351
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 2: Just like the dark side man addiction, dependency, tragedies, triumphs,

1352
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 2: you know, partying, losing friends, buying drugs, selling, you know,

1353
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 2: just the world that you get yourself into, hanging out

1354
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 2: with the bad kids early on, watching people throw their

1355
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 2: life away before they become adults.

1356
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: And when you were sort of in the depths of

1357
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: this how old are you, like, like really youngineteen sixteen.

1358
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 2: Fifteen sixteen would be when I was heaviest into that,

1359
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 2: like world, do.

1360
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: You remember start of the darkest thing you saw during

1361
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: that time?

1362
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: Just man, just people losing their mind. One of my

1363
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 2: best friends lost his mind on acid and you know

1364
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 2: has been homeless ever since. You know, people dying.

1365
01:06:58,200 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: From drug overdoses.

1366
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 2: You know, people getting kidnapped by their parents and shipped

1367
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 2: off to desert school in Utah and you never see

1368
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 2: him again. You know, your parents crying because they find

1369
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 2: you know, pot stuffed in your mattress.

1370
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: And experiencing all this, I assume is what sort of

1371
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: led you to be totally sober now.

1372
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I drink and have a good time.

1373
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 2: I'm like a straight edge guy. So it's like I

1374
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 2: would never do drugs just because I did it all before,

1375
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 2: not at all. I've never done like heroin or anything

1376
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 2: like that.

1377
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: I've never done shrooms are acid before, but I really

1378
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:33,439
Speaker 1: want to should.

1379
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I think if you're in your mid twenties, right, Yeah,

1380
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 2: I'm your age. Yeah, Okay, you're at the age where

1381
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 2: you should definitely do it. I mean I think that

1382
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 2: like mid twenties are a great time to try strooms

1383
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 2: and acid. I mean, how cool would it be if

1384
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 2: I didn't do those things and now I could, like

1385
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 2: you know, go to Joshua Tree and like eat it

1386
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 2: eight the shrooms.

1387
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: With like my two best friends. Yeah, it would be sick.

1388
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 2: I just think that, like I kind of like missed

1389
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: the mark, but I had a lot of fun doing

1390
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 2: it early on.

1391
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: But now do you when you say like how far

1392
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: would we do? Now? Like do you like are you

1393
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: talking about like taking shrooms and like having that be

1394
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: like like with all the stuff you've done all the

1395
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: like to like be in that mind space to reflect

1396
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: on all that.

1397
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 2: It probably helped me unpack some uh some deep seated

1398
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 2: questions and heavy shift that I haven't encountered.

1399
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I have. For a while, I've had

1400
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: like resistance to that, but I'm getting to a point

1401
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: and like, you know what, I'm ready.

1402
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 2: If you smoke a ton of weed, yeah you can

1403
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 2: handle like some shrooms.

1404
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: Does it just feel like being really high?

1405
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 8: Yes?

1406
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: Really? Yeah?

1407
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 2: It has more of like an intellectual spiritual component. Sure,

1408
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 2: and it's hallucinatory. Yeah, like I imagine like you're you

1409
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: ever greened out before on weed?

1410
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: I think I think I've experienced something.

1411
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 2: Pot without the like overwhelming anxiety. Okay, you're just really high,

1412
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 2: but you know, you know what you're getting yourself into,

1413
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 2: so you're not like shivering or puking or anything.

1414
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: Have you ever done MDMA? Yeah? Is there is there

1415
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: any relation? Is there any relation in the fe No,

1416
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't have to take an empty man. That's why

1417
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm asking does it feel anything like? No? Okay, I

1418
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: mean it's four at times. Yeah, the euphouria, I'm like,

1419
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: is there a similar eufouria?

1420
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, similar euphoria, but there's the come up is also insane,

1421
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 2: Like you know, when you're coming up on MDMA, it

1422
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 2: feels like the Earth is like meeting the moon.

1423
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: Sure, Like I don't know a good way to describe.

1424
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, grab, you're just like, I don't

1425
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 2: take that shitty that.

1426
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: Actually I did MBMA in Las Vegas in twenty twenty.

1427
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: That was it. It was awesome. It was great. Yeah,

1428
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: that was awesome.

1429
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 2: But like Molly's that kind of thing where it's like, dude,

1430
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm good for a while.

1431
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: But you probably have people like assuming I guess, like

1432
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: fans or of assuming you're on drugs. I mean I

1433
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: am tripping all the time, right, Yeah, Oh, I mean

1434
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: I guess like that you just like still, but it's

1435
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 1: like I don't do drugs, but I'm permanently you know,

1436
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: fried from drugs. Yeah. Does that have like does that

1437
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: affect the interviews at all in any way, Like, are

1438
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,799
Speaker 1: you like ever tripping while you're like talking to someone

1439
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 1: or like at a really like inconvenient time.

1440
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 2: No, because it's constant, Like you know, I have shrowm

1441
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 2: like visual ship, so it's I don't.

1442
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: Know, it's constant. Oh oh, I thought these were like

1443
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 1: I thought they were like, what is it flashbacks?

1444
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: That's like acid, that's like because acid gets like stored.

1445
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: In your spinal cords.

1446
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, like crack your back and I have just like

1447
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 2: just like okay, you're right now.

1448
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1449
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 2: So it's not like it's some crazy it's like the

1450
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 2: majority of my life now I've had like TV static.

1451
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 2: It's actually not that annoying really, yeah, because it's just

1452
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 2: it's just how I see.

1453
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: Is it kind of like being blind. I mean it's

1454
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: like you have static like covering a little bit. It

1455
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: definitely impairs like site mm hm for sure. Whatever though, Man,

1456
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: we're fucking here. We're fucking here. Look at us, man,

1457
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: some geckos. We're a couple of geckos. Yeah, but I

1458
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: do want to do more for the HPPD community. Uh. Oh,

1459
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: that's that's the Oh are you you're in a community

1460
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: of people?

1461
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 10: No?

1462
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 2: I mean, but I know that it's out there, and

1463
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 2: like I know that a lot of people with that

1464
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 2: condition see me as sort of like you're the guy

1465
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 2: a hero because I like overcame that and I know

1466
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 2: that's with that being debilitated, you know, and people have

1467
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, took their own life over this shit. You know,

1468
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 2: this is a sad thing, and I don't have it

1469
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 2: as bad as some people have it.

1470
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 1: Do you ever, Like I assume you haven't really made

1471
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: any video or content or anything like where you've like

1472
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 1: really gone depth about it.

1473
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 2: There's this group called the Perception Perception Restoration Fund or

1474
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah, they're producing a documentary about HPBD

1475
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 2: and they asked me to step on as an executive producer.

1476
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 2: So I'm definitely going to do that and like, cause

1477
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 2: there's a lot of kids that are like me when

1478
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,919
Speaker 2: I was when I was thirteen, Yeah, thinking that they're

1479
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 2: having a psychosis and going crazy, but they're not going crazy.

1480
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 2: They just have a cosmetic visual issue. But it feels

1481
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 2: like it has a bigger dimension. It's just a visual

1482
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 2: processing problem. It's a lot of people think that they're

1483
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 2: like losing their mind and it's going to get worse

1484
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: and stuff like.

1485
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: That's great that you're finding avenues to like take on

1486
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:45,839
Speaker 1: the issue and everything.

1487
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's something that I went through, so

1488
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 2: I figure at some point in my life, I got

1489
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 2: to do something to help because I didn't really have anybody.

1490
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: And it also feels like the kind of thing that

1491
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: when you have it, you like don't like it. It's rare,

1492
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: so you're like not like you're like, oh fuck, this

1493
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: isn't happening to anyone else. I'm completely alone and shit.

1494
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when you're fourteen to fifteen, and like, you know,

1495
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 2: there's two camps of people in your life. There's the

1496
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 2: parents who were like you could never talk about doing

1497
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 2: drugs too, because they'd shame you. Then there's the kids

1498
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 2: who do drugs who don't want to talk about the

1499
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 2: negative aspects of drug use. Like imagine trying to tell

1500
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 2: your hippi friend that you have you know right, you

1501
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 2: are right.

1502
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: Either of your parents who hate drugs or your friends

1503
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 1: that love drugs, you don't want to talk to you.

1504
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 2: It's the same thing now when you think about modern

1505
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: drug science, because there's two camps of drug scientists. There's

1506
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 2: people who work for like the burning Man Foundation, who

1507
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 2: are trying to do like ketamine therapy trials, who are right,

1508
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 2: you know, psychedelics are the answer totally MDMA will solve PTSD.

1509
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 2: Then there's the people who are like Mormon Vibes, who

1510
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 2: are like, you know, like doing research about how weed

1511
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 2: will destroy your you know right mind and make you schizophrenic.

1512
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 2: So it's still that's why HPPD is so weird.

1513
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: Yeah I did it. So you said it didn't even

1514
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: happen like from from extensive use. It was just just use,

1515
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 1: early use early Okay, how old were you when you

1516
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:00,919
Speaker 1: first did it? Thirteen?

1517
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like just using those powerful drugs while

1518
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,839
Speaker 2: your brain is developing causes issues issues.

1519
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 1: It just does.

1520
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 2: But you know, who's going to do a clinical trial

1521
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 2: on a thirteen year old acid head.

1522
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah you know. Yeah, Well, like I said, it's good

1523
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 1: that you're becoming like I feel like, do you do

1524
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: like any like people out there, like celebrities or like

1525
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: not oble people who like have it?

1526
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 2: Or you the person listed on Wikipedia who has this thing?

1527
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: Me and a fictional character from the True Detective show.

1528
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: Oh shit, But I.

1529
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 2: Mean there is tens of thousands of people who have this,

1530
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 2: if not hundreds of thousands who don't realize they have

1531
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 2: it and just think that, you know, they're insane.

1532
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it must be really rewarding, like when you have

1533
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: the opportunity to like speak, Yeah, it's to be pretty tight.

1534
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out how to do it in

1535
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 2: the right way without alienating a large portion.

1536
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: Of my Well, I love what you told the previous caller. Yeah,

1537
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, he seemed like he was receptive to it too,

1538
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 1: for sure. I just don't like that whole like, I mean,

1539
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: shout out to him. I just don't like, I don't

1540
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: like that vibe. Really, I'm just like, I can't stop

1541
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: doing acid. It's like, come on, Doug.

1542
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: Like some people are hooked on heroin, you know, and

1543
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 2: they or people are addicted to zenex they take five

1544
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 2: bars a day and if they were to go cold turkey,

1545
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 2: they would die like withdrawal sentems. Yeah, so it's like,

1546
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 2: don't say that you're addicted to LSD. You're addicted to

1547
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 2: the fun that it gives you. But it's just like

1548
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 2: like there's a point in which where it's like b

1549
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 2: A G like like you know, I know it's the

1550
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 2: therapy get goo ship, but with that kind of thing,

1551
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 2: it's like come on, dog, Like you know, sometimes.

1552
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: You do no no, I hear you say it's there,

1553
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: but sometimes you do need to say to someone like yeah,

1554
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: come on dog.

1555
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a true therapist would like unpack it and

1556
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 2: unpack it.

1557
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 1: But it all falls upon that.

1558
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 2: But Bro, if I don't stop doing, ask what the

1559
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 2: fuck am I gonna do? Bro, I'm gonna be so boring.

1560
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:36,879
Speaker 2: You can get really into asses.

1561
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: That guy he's gonna start his own astro turfing business. Dude,

1562
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: he's stoked about astro I know, I know when you

1563
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: said you've already won life, he truly has already won line.

1564
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: You know, if you don't need to go, if you

1565
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 1: can enjoy just doing AstroTurf and you don't have to

1566
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 1: go all over the world, and you don't have to

1567
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: like hang it up.

1568
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, shout out to him.

1569
01:14:56,120 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 1: How are you, How are you feeling awesome? Yeah, dude,

1570
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: it's it's great to it's great to have you in here. Man,

1571
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: it's cool. It's cool. Why because I know, it's it's

1572
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: cool watching you, Like, it's cool having you in our

1573
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: space doing your thing, like it's awesome. Yeah, I love it.

1574
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 2: I just want to, you know, re emphasize like I'm

1575
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 2: not anti psychedelic. You know, I really think that they

1576
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 2: have the power to like transform your life and you know,

1577
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 2: rewire your brain, change your brain, like for the positive.

1578
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 2: I just had a negative experience that drastically, you know,

1579
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 2: impacted my life.

1580
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna blame you if they do acid, They're not gonna.

1581
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 2: Be But I'm sure that's you know, it's such a

1582
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 2: tough one man. It's like religion.

1583
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, you just can't tell.

1584
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 2: People shit if they really think that like d MT

1585
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 2: is like the spirit molecule.

1586
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 1: You can't break through to these people. I'm a little

1587
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: bit like I don't want to have like I guess

1588
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: this was another sort of resistance to psychedelics was like

1589
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna have like some sort of epiphany or

1590
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: some sort of like light thing, life changing thing or

1591
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: analytic analysis of I want. Does it feel less It

1592
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: almost feels like less real if if it's on drugs, absolutely,

1593
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: like I need an assist to do it.

1594
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 2: Like, think about the idea of like Buddhist enlightenment. Think

1595
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 2: about the fact that monks meditate their entis you just

1596
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 2: sat there and they sitting there trying to be as

1597
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 2: introspective as possible and astro project throughout the universe and

1598
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 2: just sit there hoping to break through to this point

1599
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 2: of enlightenment, and they a lot of times can't do it.

1600
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: And then you got someone with a d M T

1601
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: pen at Venice Beach almost feels like a trip that

1602
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: almost feels like a cheat code. Who tells you that

1603
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 1: he just talked to God, Like you talk to God?

1604
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: What did he say?

1605
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 2: Is he asking you to ask me for five dollars?

1606
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: Doesn't make sense? It's I I understand the idea that

1607
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: you know when you think of like like you're saying

1608
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: that the monks who were sat there and like really tried.

1609
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: It's like and they and and then you have the

1610
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: guy with the DMT pen who's like, I talked to

1611
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 1: God and You're like, it can't be that easy. Yeah,

1612
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 1: you have to like really sit and try. Why did

1613
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,560
Speaker 1: he talk to you and not those monks? You know?

1614
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 1: I would you ever have you done a bunch of

1615
01:16:59,120 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: d M two or no?

1616
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 2: But that's the one psychondel like that I would do,

1617
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 2: like at the end of my life because it's it's

1618
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 2: like a just balls deep, like fucking full blast thing

1619
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 2: to do.

1620
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: I want to do ayahuasca and I'm like, my friend's,

1621
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 1: uh my, one of my friends dad's just did ayahuasca

1622
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: and he's like sixty something, and I'm like, oh great

1623
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: when i'm there's still cool stuff for me to do

1624
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: when I'm sixty.

1625
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I lose my hair, you know, and after

1626
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 2: my divorce and then you get your dog, I'll, you know,

1627
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 2: hitchhike down to Peru, you know, man pukanus in a

1628
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 2: drum circle.

1629
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:32,759
Speaker 1: I like that. There's I like that. There's so many

1630
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: cool experiences available to human beings, dude, There's so many. Yeah.

1631
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why when people are like, is America going downhill?

1632
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 2: I was like, no, it's not. More people need to

1633
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 2: travel through America. Yeah, get real, deep in America. It's

1634
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 2: a weird ass place.

1635
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 1: Well, that's what you're doing, is you're like, I mean,

1636
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: a lot of the people who like, they don't feel

1637
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,679
Speaker 1: like getting off their asses to like go see stuff.

1638
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,799
Speaker 1: You're there, you're like the conduit to which they see, yeah,

1639
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: stuff outside of their computer.

1640
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 2: I mean, my dream as I'm getting older is just

1641
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 2: to get kids as stoked possible, like eight traveler old fools,

1642
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 2: like just to like hit the American road, like revive

1643
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 2: American road lore.

1644
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 1: Hitch Hiking is a dead art in a way, right

1645
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 1: because people are scared.

1646
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 2: Well, the stragglers that are a part of that, like

1647
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 2: you know, like hobo hitchhike culture are mostly like train hoppers,

1648
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,839
Speaker 2: like freight hopping, you know, hopping freight trains across the country,

1649
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 2: like it's a whole, like they call it googles or

1650
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 2: like gutter punks. Like that culture has kind of absorbed

1651
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,520
Speaker 2: the remnants of what would have been like hitchhikers.

1652
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:30,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, but hitchhiking.

1653
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 2: That's what makes hitchhiking in the twenty first century and

1654
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 2: especially now so insane is because you're the only one

1655
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 2: really doing it, right. That's not like escaping prison, you know,

1656
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 2: so you know when doing it like just for fun. Yeah,

1657
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 2: not yet, not out of necessity or out of necessity

1658
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 2: because it's such a bad way to get around. Yeah,

1659
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 2: you know, but like you really are creating like a

1660
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 2: lane for yourself.

1661
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 1: Did had you ever met someone while you were doing

1662
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 1: because you did it. You did it like to see

1663
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 1: the world. It was the first.

1664
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 2: It was my first like creative jump off the port.

1665
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 1: Did anyone ever give you shit about that in terms

1666
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: of like, hey man, I have to do this.

1667
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 2: No, I mean there's no there's no sense of entitlement

1668
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 2: in the hitchhiking world.

1669
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: If the.

1670
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 2: Get a fucking car man, Yeah, you know what I mean, Like,

1671
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 2: if this is what you're riding for at the end

1672
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 2: of the day, like you gotta find a hobby, you know,

1673
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 2: if you're like I was, you know, I need this.

1674
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: Then they want to identify them up the train.

1675
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, convince a truck driver to give you

1676
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 2: a ride somewhere. Na, there's no exclusionary vibe in the

1677
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 2: hitchhiker world. There is no hitchhiker world.

1678
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 1: It sounds fun. I want to do it at some point.

1679
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, just the fact that like I may have convinced

1680
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 2: an eighteen year old like fresh out of his parents' house.

1681
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: Person.

1682
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes to be like I live in Stockton, California,

1683
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 2: or reading or something like, I'm just gonna go to

1684
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 2: the nearest freeway on ramp, stick my thumb out and

1685
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 2: go wherever the driver's going.

1686
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure you would influence a lot of peop.

1687
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: I feel like you definitely get dms with people being like, hey,

1688
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,560
Speaker 1: like you inspire me to like go place. Yeah, but

1689
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: I want them to do that thing, oh, to do

1690
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: it specifically to do like doing like the real like

1691
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 1: put yourself out there kind of way. Yeah, you know,

1692
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: stealing kind bars type vibe. It's uh, do you ever

1693
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: like Okay? So I mean now, like you know, you

1694
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 1: you have like you know, adult money, and you're a

1695
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: part and you drive a car and you're.

1696
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,600
Speaker 2: Like two thousand and seven Toyota Tacoma perfect.

1697
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 1: And you're like you're like, you're not really living that.

1698
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: Does a part of you ever wish you could?

1699
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 2: Like, you know, well, the thing is, you know, when

1700
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 2: I turned when I decided to like market and make

1701
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 2: a brand out of what I love to do the most,

1702
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 2: I traded in the anonymity of the road right, Yeah,

1703
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 2: a lot, because I wanted to make a life for

1704
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 2: myself and a name for myself. So you know what

1705
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,640
Speaker 2: I loved most as a young person, as a teenager,

1706
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 2: as a hitchhiker, was that anonymous feeling of just like

1707
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,600
Speaker 2: being just like completely on the road, enveloped in the

1708
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 2: American highway system at motels and bus stops, talking to

1709
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 2: like dead beats and out laws and runaways, and just

1710
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 2: being able to just be completely anonymous and like using

1711
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 2: my eyes as the camera basically and just like absorbing

1712
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,679
Speaker 2: these stories from people that are just on the fringe

1713
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 2: and just moving on and you know, writing about it

1714
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 2: later in my journal. And now, you know, if I

1715
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 2: were a hitchhike on the side of the road, you know,

1716
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 2: it would probably take like five ten minutes before you know.

1717
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 1: A super suic over and it's like tryta far. You know.

1718
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 2: So in a way it is sad, and it does

1719
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 2: make me sort of jaded that I have. You know,

1720
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 2: that transaction makes me sad. You know, I've traded in

1721
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 2: a career for sacrificing the road spirit can I ask?

1722
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 1: And I almost feel this way about what I do,

1723
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: like just with like conversations in general, does it ever

1724
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: like like you know, back when you when you were

1725
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,639
Speaker 1: just like writing it down, yeah, and you weren't filming it,

1726
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: did it ever feel like more special and more like

1727
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: the moment belonged to you? And now you're kind of

1728
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:52,799
Speaker 1: like giving that moment away to people.

1729
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But I do think that writing is the problem

1730
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 2: with writing is that you can just lie your ass off, right,

1731
01:21:58,160 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: So you know, So that's the thing is, like, you know,

1732
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 2: my first project was a hitchhiking book that I wrote,

1733
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 2: of course, and I realized that, Okay, people don't believe

1734
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 2: the stories that I'm telling. Even my own friends would

1735
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 2: be like, oh did that really happen? Like they think

1736
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 2: that I'm exaggerating like major plot points. And I was like,

1737
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 2: you know what, never again, like I'm gonna film it

1738
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 2: so I can prove it. And so that's how we

1739
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 2: do things now.

1740
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: You know.

1741
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 2: It's just because you know it is you do get

1742
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 2: to claim the moment and you know, make it a

1743
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 2: part of your narrative when it's written down.

1744
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: But not even I'm not even talking about like the

1745
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: like the recording. I'm just talking about like being there,

1746
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 1: like there's no cameras, You're just talking to a guy. Absolutely,

1747
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 1: and there's you're not making content. You're not like trying

1748
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 1: to steer the conversation in a way that makes it

1749
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 1: like for you. It's just for the moment in and

1750
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: of itself. Absolutely, And you know I still do that.

1751
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 2: You know, I still I still have an RV now

1752
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 2: that I take cross country trips in. I still sleep

1753
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 2: in the back of my Tacoma Like, I still do that.

1754
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 2: But there's this part of me that misses that, just

1755
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 2: like full presence of course, because there's a part of

1756
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 2: me now that thinks, to myself, wow, this would be

1757
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 2: so great on camera. And that's sort of a sad

1758
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 2: thing because I'm like, man, I used to just be.

1759
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 1: Like happy to be there. Yeah.

1760
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 2: Of course, once you start making videos and start making content.

1761
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 1: Everything's like, oh, I should be filming this, right, and

1762
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: you know that.

1763
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 2: Like your audience would actually appreciate it. Of course, you're

1764
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 2: not like a self centered asshole who's like this would

1765
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 2: go so viral, like one hundred percent, this should be

1766
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 2: documented as a part of my experience because this is

1767
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 2: important to me in this time. But now I just, man,

1768
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 2: it's tough. You know, it makes me sad and happy.

1769
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 2: It's just there's not really an emotion to assigned to it.

1770
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:35,759
Speaker 2: It's just the way things have changed.

1771
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 1: If I can feel that way about like talking to strangers,

1772
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 1: Like if I like strike up a conversation with someone

1773
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: at an airport or something and they tell me something interesting,

1774
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I I'm like, oh, this would

1775
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,799
Speaker 1: be like a cool conversation like for the podcast or whatever,

1776
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: but like there's something great about just doing it in

1777
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: and of itsself.

1778
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: I think maybe over time that barrier will sort of

1779
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 2: dissipate because everything is going to be just filmed all

1780
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 2: the time.

1781
01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: Oh, you're gonna be wearing gouglass.

1782
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 2: I think to be like point at which, like you know,

1783
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 2: the current kids growing up who TikTok and live stream everything. Yeah,

1784
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 2: they're gonna be like, you know, fifty years old one day,

1785
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 2: and if they strike up a conversation at LAX, it

1786
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 2: won't be weird to just pull out a live streaming

1787
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 2: selfie stick and be like, yeah, so you know, when

1788
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 2: did you go into card shurance.

1789
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 1: Do you think that's sad? No, you think that's awesome. Yeah,

1790
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 1: hell yeah, I want to see that. I want to

1791
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: see that conversation, you know what. I love that I

1792
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: love I love that you're optimistic about it, because I

1793
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: feel like the default is to be upset about it.

1794
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 2: I'm so happy you didn't go down that rabbit hole

1795
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 2: where people say, like, don't you think it's sad that.

1796
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: Everyone's on their phone? No? I like, I like, I

1797
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: mean it's great. I mean there's trade offs. I mean

1798
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's hard because the Internet, like you know,

1799
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 1: has democratized media. It's done so many amazing things. But

1800
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 1: also like you know, I hate when I'm hanging out

1801
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 1: with someone and they go on their phone. I hate

1802
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: when I'm hanging out with on and I go on

1803
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 1: my phone. Yeah, it's just basic social stuff.

1804
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to like chill with you if we're

1805
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:54,919
Speaker 2: both on our phone like doom scrolling Instagram.

1806
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey man, it's just the way things are going.

1807
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 2: Complaining about it is just lame, you know, Like it's

1808
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 2: always people who don't who are.

1809
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: Like trying to become famous too, that want to. Yeah,

1810
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: that that like preached down in our life.

1811
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 2: They hit that wall and they were like Andrew, like,

1812
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 2: you know, do you ever get tired of just making

1813
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 2: video after video and want to just takes some time

1814
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 2: for yourself. It's like I make one video a month,

1815
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I'm not streaming for ten

1816
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:23,680
Speaker 2: hours a day. Like I take a ton of time

1817
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 2: for myself.

1818
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 1: Right, But do you do you not like you know,

1819
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean your whole you know, you talk a lot

1820
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: of current events. Yeah, you're talking about like things are

1821
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: going on in the world. Does it not require you

1822
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: to be not constantly, but like to be keeping an

1823
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 1: eye on what's going on on once a day?

1824
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 2: Do you do you do once a day once a

1825
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 2: day for like the heavy news update.

1826
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,759
Speaker 1: Okay, Like and when I when I dive.

1827
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 2: Into like the news section on my phone, it'll be

1828
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 2: a pretty heavy deep dive, like forty five minutes of

1829
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 2: just like what the hell's going on this week?

1830
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,560
Speaker 1: How often are you just like act like catching yourself

1831
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 1: on the Instagram story of a person you went to

1832
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: high school that you don't care about, probably twenty five

1833
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 1: times a day. That that's the stuff that I don't like.

1834
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 1: But that's where I'm like, I should I should have.

1835
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 1: That's up to me to not be addicted to it.

1836
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean you have a cool thing going on.

1837
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: Oh this is awesome. You interact?

1838
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah with Instagram in a way that is cool because

1839
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 2: you're creating stuff. That's the big difference. Like consumer versus

1840
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 2: creator is a totally different vibe.

1841
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, and that's how I justify it, Okay,

1842
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 1: because if you took all of my Instagram use or

1843
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 1: online use and uh and I justify it, I'm like,

1844
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:33,679
Speaker 1: this is my job. I have to I'm on Instagram.

1845
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 1: I have to look at it. I have to see

1846
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 1: how the new video do whatever it is. This stuff

1847
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: that's like necessary to complete the function of this is

1848
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 1: maybe maybe like one percent and the rest is you know,

1849
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: hang seeing dude. I mean for sure, it's funny.

1850
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 2: Like yes, if I you know, reading news, like I

1851
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 2: spend most of my time on my phone, like reading

1852
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:55,719
Speaker 2: about watching YouTube videos about like beef between rappers, Yeah,

1853
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 2: better call Saul fan theories. Yeah, scenes from the Dark

1854
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 2: Knight mm hmm. That's what I consume. You know, I

1855
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 2: don't really read the news. I just I'm into like

1856
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 2: weird shit like that.

1857
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 1: Do you so you'll consume stuff like that and like

1858
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 1: super niche shit. Yeah, like I follow like la rap beef. Well,

1859
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 1: I feel like you would have to have something to

1860
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: like because you're always your whole thing is like about

1861
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 1: the news. I feel like you would have to you know,

1862
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: your hobbies would be things that are completely unrelated to me. Yeah.

1863
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 2: It feels rebellious to like just watch watch TV breaking

1864
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 2: bad fan theories for ninety minutes.

1865
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, well everyone's like you go to read about this

1866
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: and like right, right to watch something that you don't

1867
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: have to justify in some way. Yeah, for sure, that's nice.

1868
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 1: That's kind of been my refuge lately.

1869
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 2: Also with all the craziness is like the Better Call

1870
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 2: Saul series?

1871
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 1: Do you contribute to the forms?

1872
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 2: No? I should though, because like I like, I think

1873
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 2: about the characters often.

1874
01:27:53,320 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 1: Let's talk to Robbie. Robbie. Oh, well, how you doing, Robbie?

1875
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 3: You good?

1876
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 9: I was just dirty.

1877
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it's good man. How are you doing.

1878
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for Thank you so much for

1879
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 2: calling in. We appreciate it. This is Andrew and this

1880
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 2: is Lyle.

1881
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

1882
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 9: It's really good talking you guys because, uh, this is

1883
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 9: my first time being on.

1884
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,759
Speaker 1: Oh, we're happy to have you. Well, don't feel nervous

1885
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 1: or anything. It's just us here.

1886
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:33,919
Speaker 9: I am nervous.

1887
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 1: It's okay. We're gonna make this as easy as we can.

1888
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 1: For you. It's totally totally show. It's just you and

1889
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: two geckos. Robbie, all right, Uh, is it okay if

1890
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 1: I tell the people what you told the call screener. Yes, Robbie,

1891
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: it's us here that you are having trouble talking to

1892
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 1: women and you need some advice. Mm hmm, well just

1893
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 1: off the batman.

1894
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 2: You seem like a super sweet guy, very kind person

1895
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 2: does so you've already got that going for you. I

1896
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 2: think men and women both like that quality out of curiosity?

1897
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:09,639
Speaker 1: You know what? What?

1898
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 2: What do you find the most difficult? Is it the approach?

1899
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 2: Is it maintaining the conversation?

1900
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: Which is it?

1901
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 9: I think maintaining the conversation the approach is difficult as well.

1902
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 9: But uh, I feel like whenever I could go up

1903
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:31,759
Speaker 9: to someone, I just don't like I just have nothing

1904
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 9: to say. All I can't think of anything?

1905
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1906
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But you're not scared to, you know, say hey,

1907
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 2: what's up?

1908
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: You know, my name's Robbie. What's your name?

1909
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 9: Maybe? Kind of.

1910
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 1: Can I ask? What? What if any situations are you

1911
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 1: putting yourself in in which you you have the opportunity

1912
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 1: to meet new people?

1913
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 9: Uh, mainly your work, I guess because I don't really

1914
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 9: go out on my days off work at Walmart.

1915
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, work work is a hard work is a

1916
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 2: really hard place to like talk to girls, for sure,

1917
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 2: because like, you know, the employee the co worker thing

1918
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 2: is already pretty messy, and then talking to customers is

1919
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 2: just kind of weird, you know, because like I remember,

1920
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 2: unless you work at a restaurant, but if you work

1921
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 2: in the retail industry, it's very transactional.

1922
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely neither I feel like neither the customers

1923
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 1: nor the co workers are like, yeah that you you

1924
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 1: want to meet people in places where people go to

1925
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 1: meet people. Yeah, mm hmm.

1926
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:48,600
Speaker 2: Robbie, would you would you ever consider working like in

1927
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 2: the service industry, like a front of house position at

1928
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 2: like a popular restaurant.

1929
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 9: M probably not.

1930
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 2: I think that it might be uncomfortable at first, but

1931
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 2: I think that a job like that would really help

1932
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 2: you get outside of your comfort zone and like get

1933
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 2: you more familiarized with like having to talk to like

1934
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 2: tons of people. Before I did interviews, I was a

1935
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 2: host at a restaurant on Bourbon Street in New Orleans,

1936
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 2: and we used to do six hundred and fifty covers

1937
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 2: a night, and my whole job was to be like, hey,

1938
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 2: how are you doing? Welcome to Bourbon house. I think

1939
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 2: that got me. But when I first took the job,

1940
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna be so bad at this.

1941
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,679
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be so nervous. And over time I got

1942
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 2: so used to it that, like when I got off work,

1943
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 2: I was like a.

1944
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 1: Social you just kept the train, just kept going. Yeah,

1945
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 1: you kept the momentum going until I after work. Yeah.

1946
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 2: Would that be something that you would just consider even

1947
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 2: for you know, a training shift or something.

1948
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 9: It could it would be possibility.

1949
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 2: I think it would be fun for you, man, and

1950
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Speaker 2: maybe maybe a restaurant that you actually like.

1951
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 1: Can I ask you too, Robbie?

1952
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 9: Do you a very introverted person?

1953
01:31:58,080 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: So just kind of do like just like forgetting about

1954
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: like you know, dating and relationships and stuff like do

1955
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 1: you do you have Like do you have friends?

1956
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1957
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 2: Okay, it's best best friends.

1958
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 9: Necessarily small circle of friends, Like I have a few

1959
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 9: groups here, a few groups here, but that's basically I

1960
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 9: don't have a massive friend group.

1961
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 1: How many how many people do you think are in

1962
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 1: your core group of friends?

1963
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 9: Like six seven?

1964
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 1: That's cool?

1965
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 2: And are they more introverted as well?

1966
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 9: It's a mix.

1967
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 2: What kind of stuff do you guys do when you

1968
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 2: hang out?

1969
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 9: Mainly just go out the ear? Uh, go do something

1970
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 9: and something. Mainly most of the time we just play

1971
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 9: video games together.

1972
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 1: That's cool. I mean, do you like bars or not? Really?

1973
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 9: I've been to a few, but.

1974
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 8: It's eh.

1975
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 1: Do you have hot Like? What do you do for hobbies? Like?

1976
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 1: Do you sports? Arts, magic, the gathering? What's your thing?

1977
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 9: Mainly do this video games in the days off? Sometimes

1978
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 9: I do D and D stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: M hm.

1980
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Speaker 1: Because because I've always I've always felt like I've always

1981
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: felt like when it comes to like meeting people, especially

1982
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:38,679
Speaker 1: if you're like trying to get in to a relationship

1983
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:42,639
Speaker 1: or something, it's like you kind of like independently build

1984
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 1: a life that people gravitate around or like where you're

1985
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 1: in a lot of situations where around people more so

1986
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,600
Speaker 1: than you do like do like anything done like with

1987
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 1: the intention of trying to meet women, I feel like

1988
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 1: it never goes very well.

1989
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:00,640
Speaker 2: Robbie, do you do you live in the south of

1990
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 2: the Midwest?

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01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 9: Uh?

1992
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 4: East?

1993
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 9: Um, North Carolina?

1994
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so south basically southeast. You know the thing about

1995
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 2: North Carolina, what's the nearest major.

1996
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 1: City to you.

1997
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 9: Uh, nearest major.

1998
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, closer to Charlotte. Yeah, and it's a tough place

1999
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 2: to socialize, you know. But I mean, do you do

2000
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 2: you find that people have that like southern hospitality around you?

2001
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 2: Like is there a lot of pleasantries exchanged in your

2002
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 2: day to day or people in your community more closed off?

2003
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 9: I really sure?

2004
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 1: M hmm. I also feel like, you know, I mean

2005
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 1: you were talking about the bars and stuff. I feel like,

2006
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 1: do you do you want do you want to meet

2007
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 1: somebody who is on your sort of same level of

2008
01:34:56,360 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: introversion or are you looking for you know, sort of

2009
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 1: a compliment to you personality wise?

2010
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:10,679
Speaker 9: I feel like it'd be nice to have someone who's

2011
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 9: introverted as me. But also I feel like the other way,

2012
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 9: like the other spectrum would also work, just to help

2013
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 9: me get out there maybe more. I don't know.

2014
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 2: Okay, how about this? Would you rather have someone to

2015
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 2: bring you out of your shell? Or would you rather

2016
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 2: just be like two turtles chilling together?

2017
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 9: I feel like getting out of my shell.

2018
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 2: One you're looking for like an extrovert that understands you

2019
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 2: and can you know, like help you.

2020
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 1: Put yourself out there? Yeah, well, dude, I think you're

2021
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 1: gonna find it.

2022
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly when it's gonna come, but there's

2023
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 2: a lot of people like that.

2024
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 1: There are. And here here's the key to that, though,

2025
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: is like you got all right, so you gotta like,

2026
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 1: let's like verbally your car is dead. You gotta get

2027
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 1: out and start pushing it first, in order for someone

2028
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 1: to see you and help you push it, you know

2029
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, yeah, you gotta sort of take

2030
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,680
Speaker 1: your own initiative on putting yourself out there just a

2031
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,719
Speaker 1: little bit in order for you to try to find

2032
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:16,680
Speaker 1: someone to help you with that.

2033
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,639
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I would say find some find some coffee

2034
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 2: shops that you like nearby. Next time you want to

2035
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 2: work on something, go there, open up your laptop, get

2036
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 2: a coffee. Just get used to being in the public sphere,

2037
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:32,599
Speaker 2: even if you're silent.

2038
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: That'll help you a lot. I've had some foods you

2039
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 1: were shy.

2040
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 2: I just get used to being somewhere where like you're

2041
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 2: maybe you're maybe still closed off, but you are exposed

2042
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 2: physically around here, physically exposed to the world, you know,

2043
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 2: and maybe you might strike up a conversation. But you know,

2044
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 2: between working at Walmart and having like your group of

2045
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 2: seven friends who you mainly I'm assuming play video games

2046
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 2: with and like chill inside. That's kind of a hard

2047
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 2: you know, gridlock for you to like meet someone who's

2048
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 2: gonna bring you to that next stage. So dude, just

2049
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 2: coffee shops, bars, and for sure, I guarantee you if

2050
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 2: you if you worked out like Cheesecake Factory, you'd become

2051
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 2: like a social savant four months.

2052
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 1: She say, factory sounds like a better place to work

2053
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 1: than Walmart. It does.

2054
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 2: But you know, although the buzzers sort of make me nervous, buzzers,

2055
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:26,679
Speaker 2: oh the little things, Cheesecake Factory assigns you that buzzer box,

2056
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's the most intense.

2057
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 1: Vibration I've ever experienced. Really, when that thing starts going,

2058
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 1: it's going, then you can't even like turn it off.

2059
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:37,559
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't want to get near those things if

2060
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 2: I worked at cheesecake Factory, you know, I'd be like,

2061
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 2: you know, put them in the bucket for somebody else.

2062
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,639
Speaker 1: So Robbie, you know, over the course of this call,

2063
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 1: we've told you a bunch of things. We've thrown a

2064
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 1: bunch of actions out at you, We've thrown a bunch

2065
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 1: of ideas out of you, like before we go, like,

2066
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 1: what's what's sort of your take on what we've told you?

2067
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 2: Oh?

2068
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think I think you're right about it. Might

2069
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 9: give myself or go to a Starbucks or something, see

2070
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:03,799
Speaker 9: what can happen.

2071
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,599
Speaker 2: Go to the good to the busiest Starbucks in downtown

2072
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:11,720
Speaker 2: Charlotte and just just kick it there. Dude, even if

2073
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:13,559
Speaker 2: you don't make a friend, you're going to be entertained

2074
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 2: for sure.

2075
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 1: You know. It's a lot like it's like when people say, like,

2076
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 1: if you're trying to start working out, just go to

2077
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 1: the gym.

2078
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:22,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, just go there, even if you're making fun of

2079
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 2: the people at the gym. Yeah, you'll eventually hop on

2080
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,599
Speaker 2: the elliptical and sweat your ass off.

2081
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah you don't. Yeah, you just go there. Don't feel

2082
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 1: like you pressured to do any workouts or lift anything.

2083
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: You just go to a Starbucks, man, and just just

2084
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, chill for a bit.

2085
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:39,919
Speaker 2: You know, don't call your friends, just go by yourself

2086
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:41,599
Speaker 2: and just kick it whenever you have some free time.

2087
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 9: Okay, thank you, Thank you, Robbie.

2088
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to say to the people of

2089
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 1: the computer or to two geckos.

2090
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 9: Uh, well, I've I'm almost finished with your with your

2091
01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 9: therapy GECKU Podcast three more. I'm completely caught up.

2092
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:09,679
Speaker 1: Thank you to the whole time. Yes, sir Andrew, Yes, just.

2093
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 9: Now looked at your YouTube channel. Might might give it a.

2094
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 1: Look.

2095
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 2: Well like it, man, I appreciate it for real, you should.

2096
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:19,599
Speaker 1: He's got good stuff on there.

2097
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:24,799
Speaker 9: Oh well, well, thank you for having me.

2098
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 2: Of course, man for being confident coming out here.

2099
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 1: That's step one. Take care, Robie.

2100
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was hard. Say you guys got man.

2101
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 1: That guy's so sweet man he is. I don't think

2102
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 1: we got to him though, No, I don't think so.

2103
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to take any action from

2104
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:41,639
Speaker 1: the things I.

2105
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:45,639
Speaker 2: Was trying to work thing, the region thing, the like thing.

2106
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:47,599
Speaker 2: But it's just going to happen over time.

2107
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 1: I say that every time we get a call like that,

2108
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:52,000
Speaker 1: I say I would say the same thing. I'm like you,

2109
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: it's anything done with the intention of like trying to

2110
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: be people never work. So you just have to like

2111
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 1: build your life in a way in which you're around

2112
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:01,600
Speaker 1: people in which you're like like that guy, like he

2113
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:05,680
Speaker 1: plays D and D. It's like fucking start some like

2114
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:07,640
Speaker 1: like it's like you probably play with your friends, go

2115
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 1: to the coffee shop, but can I start a local

2116
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 1: D and D league? And then like and then not

2117
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: only are you in, you're like the guy you're the

2118
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 1: president of the D and D league. You got a

2119
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:16,879
Speaker 1: little bit of status now.

2120
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, also like being raised, I guess like an

2121
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 2: Italian American like Philadelphia family. Originally, like when people start

2122
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:26,760
Speaker 2: getting shy, I have this impulse to get kind of

2123
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:29,080
Speaker 2: like like pick yourself up.

2124
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 1: By Are you a motivational guy? No?

2125
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 2: But then I realized it doesn't work with an introvert

2126
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 2: do you like what do you mean?

2127
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:37,639
Speaker 1: I don't know? You do know you're the man?

2128
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff is not effective if someone's like

2129
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,559
Speaker 2: kind of in a shell. But I think that over time, man,

2130
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:45,720
Speaker 2: Robbie will just like it'll just happen. Certain people are

2131
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:47,880
Speaker 2: sort of impervious to advice, but just the sands of

2132
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:48,719
Speaker 2: time put them.

2133
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 1: In a position, you know. I wonder with all the

2134
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 1: time on this podcast And then and I ask people this,

2135
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 1: it's like when people like if if I were a

2136
01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 1: real therapist and someone came to me, like what what

2137
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 1: is like what should real therapist say? Like, like if

2138
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:06,720
Speaker 1: you've done all the research into like social psychology, and

2139
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 1: the the whatever, the neurons and shit like what would

2140
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 1: you tell that guy?

2141
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 2: Right?

2142
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:11,920
Speaker 1: I have no idea.

2143
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:14,040
Speaker 2: I think the reason that we're maybe better than is

2144
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:17,240
Speaker 2: a lot of therapists is because we actually tell them

2145
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 2: everything about our own experiences. Every time that I went

2146
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:22,679
Speaker 2: to therapy growing up, I was always kind of turned

2147
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 2: off because the therapist would just be like a brick

2148
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 2: wall when it came to like tell me about your life,

2149
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 2: and it was always.

2150
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:29,639
Speaker 1: Hard to level.

2151
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:32,559
Speaker 2: Whereas I feel like we are like you know, especially

2152
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:35,720
Speaker 2: you you're like an informal therapist, so you can be like, yeah, man,

2153
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 2: I had a similar experience back in the day.

2154
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 1: I have no code of conduct, like I could tell

2155
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 1: you exactly, I can tell you where I live.

2156
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:45,559
Speaker 2: Have you gone to do you? Do you still go

2157
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:47,320
Speaker 2: to therapy? I know I'm about to start. Yeah.

2158
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:49,480
Speaker 1: I go to therapy irregularly.

2159
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 2: When I was going through some stuff a year ago,

2160
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:54,680
Speaker 2: like I went to therapy like all the time. But

2161
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:56,680
Speaker 2: now I'm going to start again because why not?

2162
01:41:56,920 --> 01:41:58,240
Speaker 1: What made you? What made you stop?

2163
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,760
Speaker 2: I just started doing really well, well, you know, just

2164
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:04,680
Speaker 2: things kind of after so much therapy, I was like, oh,

2165
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:07,760
Speaker 2: I'm a lot happier now. I mean COVID was a

2166
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 2: tough time for everybody. For sure, that was one of

2167
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:13,439
Speaker 2: those people. And uh yeah, start doing so good that

2168
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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: Like, all right, I'm good. It's expensive.

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Speaker 2: It is when we come back to this one, I

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Speaker 2: have some some serious issues.

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Speaker 1: Do you journal I know your whole No, man, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I should though, for real.

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of fleeting thoughts that I wish

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Speaker 2: I could come back to, but they're gone.

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Speaker 1: I feel like because you're doing a lot of like

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Speaker 1: documenting with the camera. Yes, you're almost like if I

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Speaker 1: were doing that, I would almost be like, all right,

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Speaker 1: well we got it. I don't need to write about this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but but but your feelings are like a whole other

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Speaker 1: your feelings about what happened, or like a whole other

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Speaker 1: layer and then just like the what happened, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, dude? For sure, definitely, Andrew, Man, it's

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Speaker 1: it's been awesome to have you on here. Like I

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Speaker 1: said it before, I said it when you were taking

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Speaker 1: a pee, but's it's really awesome to see you, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, doing your own like like doing what you do,

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Speaker 1: but coming into this space and doing it with the

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Speaker 1: people that watch you know the stream and it's it's

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Speaker 1: been awesome. Man, I've been sick. Dude.

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Speaker 2: I don't go on that much stuff, but I'm a

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Speaker 2: huge fan of this. Fuck yah, shout out to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you man, get go lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: There anything that you want to want to fire off

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Speaker 1: say to the people before we get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Any final thoughts, feelings, just the sentiments.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys for watching. That's about it. I don't

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Speaker 2: have any plugs. Awesome Channel five Channel five News with

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Speaker 2: Calaham Channel Channel five Live worldwide, Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: And Vine beautiful. You look great and green? You look

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Speaker 1: great and green?

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Speaker 2: Oh peoples don't know. I got the fuzzy on it?

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Speaker 1: Oh you do? Yeah you can? I can? I feel

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Speaker 1: those real quick? That's night. Where'd you get these? The

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Speaker 1: green screen is making it crazy?

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Speaker 2: But I got the fuzzy wuzzies on the Fish air Forces.

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Speaker 2: I got them at a fish concert. Grateful day, ad

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Speaker 2: air Force a fish fan. I wouldn't have a fish fan,

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Speaker 2: but I went to a fish show and had fun.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's something a fan would do, is go

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Speaker 1: to a their concert and have fun. So you upload

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Speaker 1: his on YouTube as well? I do?

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, dude, you shorten them at all.

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Speaker 1: You just yeah, we we shorten them. Like, how long

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Speaker 1: have you this been too? It's been about two hours.

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Speaker 1: Share this ship out of this one. Fuck yeah, fuck yeah.

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Speaker 1: This is fun to do. Andrew Man, thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for coming on. Thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Take care of folks at home. Good luck, gak bless you,

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Speaker 1: and I have a good night. I have a good one, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Goes on the line taking your phone calls every night.

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Speaker 1: Everything goes to his eye. He's teaching you loud in

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Speaker 1: your life. He's not read an expert.