Speaker 1: Be Around with the NFL podcast has less turnovers than
Speaker 1: Patrick Momes. Welcome to another edition of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. Dan Hanson herey come to you from a
Speaker 1: virtual room filled with some heroes. Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: Let's take it easy on the Patrick Mahomes slander because
Speaker 1: he took care of business time. Sometimes the money drop
Speaker 1: is like perfectly timed for the night dropping it when
Speaker 1: you just put a forty burger on the line, doesn't
Speaker 1: It's like our producer watched like the first like minutes
Speaker 1: of the late game on Sunday and said, oh, that
Speaker 1: will work the Steelers win. It's a conversation starter. And
Speaker 1: when I'm going through all the lists of money drops
Speaker 1: and how they're labeled, I'm like, Patrick Mahomes has a
Speaker 1: couple of turnovers, but you guys have zero because you're
Speaker 1: perfect all the time. Well we so we don't don't
Speaker 1: clinically have the look at like this sort of hot
Speaker 1: topic that was sent in around week eight. Let's use
Speaker 1: that one. Let's go yeah. But also also this, I
Speaker 1: thought you'd be like, Okay, hey, this is a perfect
Speaker 1: way to start Patrick Mahomes. How many turnovers did he
Speaker 1: have tonight? And it'd be like he didn't he had
Speaker 1: a way better getting like you, you could have rolled
Speaker 1: with it. So you wanted us to lead with one
Speaker 1: of the more like least noteworthy games of the weekend.
Speaker 1: It's a one off. Also, it's a compliment to you guys.
Speaker 1: You guys don't have any turnovers. I feel, so we
Speaker 1: should just start the show over. It almost feels like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how we dig out of
Speaker 1: this hole. Speaking of turnovers, a Ricky turnover to start
Speaker 1: the show. Um, Erica, thank you. I see. Don't stop
Speaker 1: dreaming with your dreams because they're very they're important. This
Speaker 1: dream is dead. This dream turned out to a nightmare
Speaker 1: for the rest of the audience and us. But we're
Speaker 1: gonna push forward. Wild Card Weekend in the books. There's
Speaker 1: of course, one more game to be played in this
Speaker 1: round of the playoffs, Cardinals Rams on Monday night. But
Speaker 1: all the weekend games are in the books, and we
Speaker 1: will dig in on every one of them. Some really
Speaker 1: good stuff. Um to get through here, not a week mark,
Speaker 1: not a weekend of incredible upsets necessarily, but memorable moments
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's three of the
Speaker 1: games were um, they were all watchable because it's the
Speaker 1: playoffs and they feel a little different but totally non competitive.
Speaker 1: Uh to the other two, I don't know, there's something
Speaker 1: obviously be nostalgic we can get into about the Bengals
Speaker 1: uh situation. And the Cowboys Niners game, to me was
Speaker 1: thoroughly enjoyable and honestly aesthetically beautiful. Between the uniform matchup
Speaker 1: and the way that the sun splashed field presented itself
Speaker 1: to the viewer, I thought it was a perfect a
Speaker 1: perfect time of day to play that game. Although the
Speaker 1: sun did obviously cause stands yeah blinded at the home
Speaker 1: team's receiver on a crucial third down and the giant
Speaker 1: video wall knocked down a punt by the It totally
Speaker 1: stopped the Cowboys drive that really accepting that they should canto. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, you know, it's like a a mediocre wild
Speaker 1: card weekend. It happens. I think you had two good games,
Speaker 1: one very interesting game forty Niners Cowboys, which I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was a classic, but it was interesting,
Speaker 1: and I think the Bills Pats actually qualified as into
Speaker 1: my theory that some blowouts are entertaining, Like you will
Speaker 1: remember that perfect I agree on that. I agree on
Speaker 1: that right that game like that, I don't think that
Speaker 1: game was a worse game than Bengals Raiders necessarily like
Speaker 1: it provided a lot and then to two sleepers. I
Speaker 1: never like quite like bought into the theory that you
Speaker 1: guys put out there about how blowouts can be a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Until the Patriots were on the wrong
Speaker 1: side of one in prime time on Saturday. You were
Speaker 1: enjoying that so much. I mean, we were all texting,
Speaker 1: and I was like Dan is rolling right now and
Speaker 1: just adoring this experience that blowout. Sometimes where I love
Speaker 1: about it, there's just utter dominance unfurled on. Someone stop
Speaker 1: it with that sound. But and we and we just
Speaker 1: went through, um our first regular season without West and
Speaker 1: and Saturday obviously began our first postseason without him, and
Speaker 1: I thought there was just, uh, something like cosmically so
Speaker 1: right about how it all the way all things work
Speaker 1: together here and um and it it turned into the
Speaker 1: Bengals kicking things off in the traditional West of his
Speaker 1: time slot. Uh. And obviously it was kind of like
Speaker 1: a nod to West's memory, but also something I don't know, Man,
Speaker 1: it was beautiful how the idea of what West of
Speaker 1: His was transformed on Saturday because, Uh, it kind of
Speaker 1: started with West and from this the cynical celebration of
Speaker 1: Bengals futility, and then West shared that with the world
Speaker 1: and it became like one of the more enduring bits
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Uh two, you know, this celebrating this
Speaker 1: exciting young ascendant team, this organization that West fell in
Speaker 1: love with as a boy, and it kind of that's
Speaker 1: it was the Bengals of the old days that made
Speaker 1: West love football. And all of a sudden, they're playing
Speaker 1: in this game, Greg and they're winning the game, and
Speaker 1: Cincinnati is celebrating, and the head coaches walking through local
Speaker 1: bars handing out game balls, and it just felt so perfect.
Speaker 1: Uh when you think about West and that, that is, uh,
Speaker 1: that's the biggest memory for me, and I'm sure you
Speaker 1: guys as well. Yeah, next week, they're right back in
Speaker 1: the West of the slot first first Saturday. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it's not West of Us anymore, but you
Speaker 1: could have like you could have run that the simulation
Speaker 1: of where they put these games a million times. And
Speaker 1: they're putting Bengals Titans in the first Saturday afternoon slot.
Speaker 1: That's yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know what I figured we're getting. We're getting to the
Speaker 1: Bengals game. Honestly, I was like I enjoyed it, but
Speaker 1: I also was pissed, Like I had a hard time
Speaker 1: with it. I think this month is gonna be hard
Speaker 1: on some level. I mean that's just you know, being real, Like,
Speaker 1: like I I enjoyed the Bengals of it all. They're
Speaker 1: a fun team and it was fun. It's fun to
Speaker 1: text with Nick and everything. But I'm also just like pissed,
Speaker 1: you know, pist he's not here to enjoy it. And
Speaker 1: you know, you see the picture of Link like Link
Speaker 1: like that is bitter sweet. And in one picture, I
Speaker 1: look at that picture of Link, He's so beautiful, wearying
Speaker 1: that Bengal shore. I just wish, you know, Chris is
Speaker 1: sitting there, sitting there watching it with them. But it's
Speaker 1: it's we're all we're all rooting for the Bengals. Now,
Speaker 1: we're all Bengals fans. I think one thing about it.
Speaker 1: You know, we all wore the white shoes that we
Speaker 1: wore at West's wedding and texting with Phil and Nick
Speaker 1: throughout the day. Um it added layers to it, and
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I mean, obviously we all agreed that
Speaker 1: there's this intense sort of bitter sweet nature to it.
Speaker 1: But like Lukisha was rooting so hard for the Bengals
Speaker 1: that it's just um even seeing on Twitter people responding
Speaker 1: to a couple of west of Hiss tweets, it's just
Speaker 1: like this continues to be someone who's impact. I think
Speaker 1: he never would have even understood. He would have never
Speaker 1: imagined it would be as big as it was, and
Speaker 1: it it goes beyond the opponents, the games, the time
Speaker 1: slot or anything. And I can't help but think that
Speaker 1: wherever west is, like, there's a little bit of you know,
Speaker 1: he might be might have had a football got in
Speaker 1: the headlock to make this happen, and I kind of
Speaker 1: love that he did. It's funny too, because it's been
Speaker 1: five years since the Bengals actually made it to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So it was a tradition for four Street years early
Speaker 1: in our podcast, uh and it's been so long and
Speaker 1: yet like the strength of the branding has has lasted
Speaker 1: with five years of no west Of this is until this,
Speaker 1: un til this And you know, if you know Lakisha
Speaker 1: at all, she's a spiritual woman. And you know, ever
Speaker 1: since West passed, she's made note of butterflies around her.
Speaker 1: Uh and the the cameras actually catch butterflies on the field.
Speaker 1: A butterfly on the field when Evan McPherson was out
Speaker 1: on the field attacking on points for the bank Lets,
Speaker 1: it was just kind of like, man, yes, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's messed up that West isn't with us, but
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's nice to think about him, um
Speaker 1: and um and remember him and how much he meant
Speaker 1: to all of us. So that was a butterfly in
Speaker 1: like twenty one degree weather. Um does feel kind of
Speaker 1: spiritual to me. That's not a normal hangout for a butterfly.
Speaker 1: So there's something bigger going on here. That was a
Speaker 1: good breakdown. What do they call what is the study
Speaker 1: of insects? Etymology? I believe so, but not my field.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna throw it to you on the etymology
Speaker 1: corner throughout today's episode. We're gonna get into all the games.
Speaker 1: Definitely is it etymology? Maybe I don't know, you should, um,
Speaker 1: So why don't we start right here on Saturday with
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals hosting their first playoff game and sometime
Speaker 1: and looking for their first win in thirty one years.
Speaker 1: Here come the Raiders. Let's dig in the play clock
Speaker 1: at three shotgun snap car throws down the traffic. N
Speaker 1: inter Septs. Jermaine football now Sam bam bam, how about that?
Speaker 1: Love it? Oh? Yeah, of course the bond goes with
Speaker 1: the Bengals. Dan Horde w c k Y and that.
Speaker 1: You know, that's one of my favorite tropes of the
Speaker 1: radio guys, when the color guys are just screaming. They
Speaker 1: they're no longer doing their job on a fundamental level,
Speaker 1: and they're just cheering in the press box wildly. I
Speaker 1: love it, Dave Lap them doing that. Jermaine Pratt sealed
Speaker 1: it with the fourth down interception of the final seconds,
Speaker 1: sealing the first playoff victory in thirty one years for
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals nineteen over the Las Vegas Raiders in
Speaker 1: the wild card opener from Cincinnati. Joe Burrow led the
Speaker 1: way for an efficient offense. They scored on six strives,
Speaker 1: and when the offense stalled in the fourth quarter, the
Speaker 1: defense rised up just in time, raised up just in
Speaker 1: time to ensure that first victory in thirty one years mark, Um,
Speaker 1: because the Raiders were involved. It wasn't gonna be easy,
Speaker 1: because the Raiders showed us time and time again over
Speaker 1: these last five weeks that they were going to be
Speaker 1: game and hang around. But in the end, the better
Speaker 1: team won this game. Yeah, And I think it's clearly
Speaker 1: the team that I was ready to see move on
Speaker 1: because I know that the Bengals had their troubles on offense.
Speaker 1: Uh in this I mean Borrow early On looked dialed
Speaker 1: in and was throwing some beautiful passes. Jamaar Chase had
Speaker 1: a big game, but it seemed like they became a
Speaker 1: little bit more unhinged as the game went on, and
Speaker 1: in the Las Vegas defense responded, I'd like to see
Speaker 1: you know next week that the Bengals aren't kicking field
Speaker 1: goals from the thirteen, twelve and ten yard line, that
Speaker 1: they complete those drives. I think they will, Um, But
Speaker 1: I mean I come out of it a little concern
Speaker 1: for them on defense too, because Trey Hendrickson, who was
Speaker 1: such a difference maker, left with a concussion. Mike dan
Speaker 1: Els was hurt, Larry Ogan job and I think that
Speaker 1: changed that tender of the game a little bit. Too,
Speaker 1: because they were so reduced on defense, and we don't
Speaker 1: really know exactly what's gonna happen with those three guys too.
Speaker 1: But I'll let you guys unfold the whole Whistlegate business.
Speaker 1: I mean, the game turned truly bizarre, and I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: is it I thought, speaking of west of this because
Speaker 1: it looked early on like it was just gonna be
Speaker 1: a Bengals roll on, roll on to victory type scenario.
Speaker 1: It got a little too close for comfort, and I
Speaker 1: thought it just started to have a West of His
Speaker 1: field to in the third quarter going onto the fourth
Speaker 1: until they closed the job. I would like to see
Speaker 1: them not have to punt the ball inside two minutes
Speaker 1: also and give the ball back to the Raiders for
Speaker 1: what almost became a topsy turvy game winning drive there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought Zack Taylor got a little tight in the
Speaker 1: second half. You know, there's a couple of times he
Speaker 1: he punted. He chose to you know, run the ball
Speaker 1: instead of really trusting Burrow to to finish the game
Speaker 1: out um on you know, first and second down with
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes to go. The Raiders have to
Speaker 1: look at this game as a missed opportunity. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're playing you're playing a team that couldn't rush the
Speaker 1: passer all day, including with Hendrickson. I mean, they had
Speaker 1: a couple of plays early, but for the most part
Speaker 1: they weren't getting pressure on and the second half was
Speaker 1: was as little pass rush as you'll see out of
Speaker 1: an NFL team for half of a game. That that
Speaker 1: what you'll see in an entire year. I mean, there
Speaker 1: was literally no pass rush. You're missing, They're missing all
Speaker 1: these players, and the Raiders still couldn't punch it in.
Speaker 1: I know it's they've overachieved, but they were like a
Speaker 1: sloppy team. They were terrible in turnovers and penalties for
Speaker 1: the whole year. And Derek Carr knows you don't get
Speaker 1: chances like this too often. This was his first game
Speaker 1: in a long career. UH. And I think as great
Speaker 1: as they they played to get there, at least like
Speaker 1: as much guts they showed, I think they'll look at
Speaker 1: this as a missed opportunity, like this was a game
Speaker 1: they could have won. The play the Mark is talking
Speaker 1: about is uh. Late in the first half, Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: rolls right to avoid pressure as he's closing in on
Speaker 1: the sideline, he gets the ball off, Um, you hear
Speaker 1: a whistle and uh, the whistle was I guess Burrows
Speaker 1: stepping out of bounds. Tyler Boyd catches the ten yard
Speaker 1: passed in the back of the end zone, builds it
Speaker 1: to lead, and we love Mike Rico. Uh, and we
Speaker 1: don't love Drew Brees so much, who had a rough
Speaker 1: playoff debut, I thought in the booth, But the the
Speaker 1: NBC team goes silent on the issue, even though everyone's
Speaker 1: thinking the same thing, including Ricky Hollywood, who texted us
Speaker 1: moments before they came back on air fifteen minutes later
Speaker 1: and said, oh, by the way, yeah, there was a
Speaker 1: whistle thing. And they throw to the referee in the
Speaker 1: in the booth and he says, yeah, that should have
Speaker 1: been a dead ball at that point because they're there
Speaker 1: though no one heard it there like that. I think
Speaker 1: that was why they're in the crowd. I think I
Speaker 1: think Breeze said he heard it. I think he said
Speaker 1: he heard it after the fact, and I have the
Speaker 1: day of the television copy too. I mean, I get
Speaker 1: why the crowd would and they got people in their ear.
Speaker 1: They have a whole truck and it was a terrible
Speaker 1: job by the broadcast, let's face it. But here's the
Speaker 1: one thing I think a little a little bit overblown
Speaker 1: because the whistle was so late and strange that it
Speaker 1: wasn't right when he was down the sideline. It was
Speaker 1: when the ball was out of his hand, it was
Speaker 1: already crossed the plane of the goal line. Boyd was
Speaker 1: just about to catch it. I don't think it changes anything, uh, personally,
Speaker 1: and I don't when I think about the Raiders, like
Speaker 1: should they have won this game and they got screwed?
Speaker 1: That's not how I look at It's just unfortunate that
Speaker 1: the officials had such a poor game. Well they had
Speaker 1: such a bad game that the Jerome Boger crew. And
Speaker 1: you know, Dan, I thought you had a great comment
Speaker 1: because we've talked about this before when we were texting
Speaker 1: that why did they cobble these playoff crews together as
Speaker 1: a reward for the best officials, because who was not rewarded?
Speaker 1: We aren't like that was the sloppy ist playoff game
Speaker 1: official rating wise in a while. And I mean it
Speaker 1: was just they seemed to be so out of sorts.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, if they were just to blow the
Speaker 1: whistle because they thought he was out of bounds. The
Speaker 1: replay is not show him even being close to out
Speaker 1: of bounds. Secondly, right, there's an emphasis with these refs,
Speaker 1: you know, especially because it's so controversial and we can
Speaker 1: replay everything. Don't blow the whistle in these situations because
Speaker 1: let replay or something else take care of it. It
Speaker 1: was just the box job. I thought it was a
Speaker 1: bad situation for the Raiders, but I'm with you. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it totally changed the game because he
Speaker 1: wasn't out a bounds. I'll use like a basketball analogy here,
Speaker 1: and let's use the MILW Milwaukee Bucks ins there defending champions, Like,
Speaker 1: would you rather take the starting five of the Bucks
Speaker 1: having played together all season in a one and done
Speaker 1: playoff game, or just like a collection of like some
Speaker 1: of the best players in the conference to go against
Speaker 1: the Bucks for one game. Now, maybe that collection of
Speaker 1: great players beats the Bucks, but there's something to be
Speaker 1: said for a crew working together all season and all
Speaker 1: the rhythms that go through that. That's it that always
Speaker 1: struck me as odd. But there's there's also something to
Speaker 1: be said for not giving Jerome Boger a playoff game
Speaker 1: which he almost never gets I didn't I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: known those off of grading though, isn't it why we
Speaker 1: only had a handful over the over the years, and
Speaker 1: and I guess almost never like to the divisional round
Speaker 1: is when they start um advancing. By the way, etymology
Speaker 1: is the study of words. I knew, I knew something
Speaker 1: seems wrong. Entomology. You guys misheard me, I said, entomology. Okay,
Speaker 1: there we No, I didn't know that. I almost got
Speaker 1: it right. That counts. It's like a Mark Sesssler prop
Speaker 1: bet it's almost buried us in this text thread to
Speaker 1: the right of my screen here saying that I forgot
Speaker 1: the end. I was just, yeah, that's my mark, my vouch, alright,
Speaker 1: I just you know, I just anyway, so uh yeah,
Speaker 1: so you have that situation. But ultimately, you know, Zach Taylor,
Speaker 1: like I agree, Greg, he got a little tight there.
Speaker 1: They ran the ball twice when they had a chance
Speaker 1: to kill the game, and then didn't convert on third down,
Speaker 1: kick the ball away, and then not only do they
Speaker 1: give up a comp Leshan right away for fifteen yards,
Speaker 1: they also get a late hit, so all of a
Speaker 1: sudden blank, it's thirty yards and the Raiders are at
Speaker 1: the thirty five um of the Bengals. But you gotta
Speaker 1: give Cincinnati credit. They stepped up, they got the stop
Speaker 1: at the end, and it really did. It set off
Speaker 1: like a It's interesting because last year the field good
Speaker 1: story was the Browns and in the city of Cleveland, UM,
Speaker 1: and now this year it's almost like Cincinnati has taken
Speaker 1: that spot where people are really appreciating that city and
Speaker 1: that the underdog nature of it and how they had
Speaker 1: been the lesser than for so many years in that division,
Speaker 1: and now it feels like there's a lot of public
Speaker 1: sentiment behind the Cincinnati and the Bengals as a team
Speaker 1: to get behind in the a f C. I thought
Speaker 1: they also, I mean, you know, I've kind of in
Speaker 1: the past because when your team is winning three games
Speaker 1: a year, it might not be the most rough and
Speaker 1: tumble throng of viewers of all time inside the stadium,
Speaker 1: they have not been a place that you were scared
Speaker 1: to go play. I thought they made life very difficult
Speaker 1: for Derek Carr yesterday UM obviously was super emotional. Was
Speaker 1: the biggest Bengals home crowd for a playoff game ever,
Speaker 1: and I kind of thought had the same thought as you, Dan, like, wow,
Speaker 1: I kind of wish things could have flipped, not for
Speaker 1: the Browns but for West who one of the last
Speaker 1: shows we did with him was after that Brown's playoff game,
Speaker 1: that he could have Witnen witnessed this instead of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was very um, you know, kind about
Speaker 1: all that, and I think he knew what it meant
Speaker 1: to me into the show to some degree. But I
Speaker 1: would rather have him see a Bengals win than a
Speaker 1: Browns win. That The Bengals crowd was awesome. I mean,
Speaker 1: they made a huge difference. Car was pretty rattled. Car
Speaker 1: really finished the season. I think struggling. I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: Saturday was his worst game, but it was more like
Speaker 1: the things that you think of him as strengths, poise,
Speaker 1: you know, ability to control the you know what's going
Speaker 1: on at the line of scrimmage, things like that that
Speaker 1: he was struggling with. Whether it was like delay of games,
Speaker 1: not getting the plays out, like managing the situations, throwing
Speaker 1: short of the sticks by the way on the last
Speaker 1: play of the game. I mean, that's kind of unforgivable. Um.
Speaker 1: He ended up with sixteen turnovers and twelve touchdowns in
Speaker 1: his last eleven games, so that's like a pretty long stretch.
Speaker 1: And there was a report from Ian rappaport Uh that
Speaker 1: his future will be tied to the next coach. And
Speaker 1: the way I read that is, you know, the ownership,
Speaker 1: Like who else is that even talking about? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like that has to be coming from
Speaker 1: the highest of levels and ownership there has been I
Speaker 1: think the key to why car has been part of
Speaker 1: these reports year after year. I mean Gruden was part
Speaker 1: of it too, but I mean literally, Mark Davis spoke
Speaker 1: publicly about wanting to get Tom Brady in front of
Speaker 1: Derek Carr a couple of years ago. I'll never I'll
Speaker 1: never forget that. And the fact that these reports are
Speaker 1: coming out it's just like one more quarterback to throw
Speaker 1: on this pile and maybe none of them get moved.
Speaker 1: But the fact that raps sheet put that report out
Speaker 1: before this game, not after, but before this game, Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's not come me out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a good, that's a good like scoop
Speaker 1: and nugget for Ian to put out there on game day.
Speaker 1: But like then you take a step back and think,
Speaker 1: all right, let's say the Raiders don't want to have
Speaker 1: Derek Carr on their team anymore because he's the reason
Speaker 1: why they're not a better team. Who's the upgrade from
Speaker 1: Derek Carr for them? It doesn't sound like Russell Wilson's
Speaker 1: going anywhere anyway. We have plenty of time to talk
Speaker 1: about what happens next to that team. Let's hear from
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, who, by the way, that was not I
Speaker 1: wasn't exaggerating. He actually late into the night was going
Speaker 1: to different Cincinnati bars, handing out game balls and giving
Speaker 1: speeches to drunk Cincinnati. Uh, what do you call Cincinnatians
Speaker 1: Cincinnata taie? Oh? I like that etymology. I don't know,
Speaker 1: let's play that ricky for some of them made on
Speaker 1: understand the significance of what happened today. I think this
Speaker 1: this city can finally exhale and just enjoy this team
Speaker 1: for what it is and take that pressure off those
Speaker 1: those last thirty one years. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: that's today was significant for a lot of people. Alright,
Speaker 1: So Cincinnati moves on. They get the Tennessee Titans. As
Speaker 1: Greg said in the early window, Saturday one thirty pm
Speaker 1: kickoff from Nissan Stadium in Nashville, and uh, we'll see
Speaker 1: where the public is. I wonder where the desert is.
Speaker 1: Greg I'm gonna say, let me see early line. Let's
Speaker 1: say close close to a pick them. I'll say one
Speaker 1: and a half. Tennessee's laying one and a half. I
Speaker 1: think it's well, no, yeah, the Tennessee. I think by
Speaker 1: three that's coming down. People are gonna get people are
Speaker 1: hot about the Cincinnati team. I think it was actually
Speaker 1: two and a half and at least initially, and then
Speaker 1: it's moved up to three at least one little one
Speaker 1: little nugget um for those who for those Cincinnatians or
Speaker 1: whatever we're calling them. Do you want to know the
Speaker 1: three bars that he went to Zach Taylor? Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: like died bars. We'd like to hear about that stuff.
Speaker 1: It was the Pontiac, it was Walt's hitching Post and
Speaker 1: Mount Lookout Tavern nice we um we uh, like I said,
Speaker 1: haven't had a West of us in five years, but
Speaker 1: we I think we did four different podcasts on the
Speaker 1: West of this weekends. Usually they come on the Sundays,
Speaker 1: and we do have a clip from from West from
Speaker 1: the last one. This was the west of Us to
Speaker 1: end all west of him. I mean, you could not
Speaker 1: script a more fascinating ending unless it was that if
Speaker 1: Vontes Perfect wasn't touched down and he really did just
Speaker 1: run out the end zone and get penalized, that would
Speaker 1: have been the best way to end it. But like
Speaker 1: all the way to the locker room. But this was
Speaker 1: a pretty good ending, just the total and comprehensive meltdown
Speaker 1: of discipline from two players who have been known to
Speaker 1: have meltdowns of disciplines in the in the past, and
Speaker 1: Vontes Perfect, who plays out of control frankly and I
Speaker 1: think has been for a couple of years the dirtiest
Speaker 1: player in the NFL. He left to kill Perfect, he did,
Speaker 1: and he said it right the West said right there
Speaker 1: in the west of us to end all west of usiness.
Speaker 1: So maybe that was the final chapter there and it's
Speaker 1: now turned into something else. We love you, Chris Westling.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. We have more games to
Speaker 1: get to, So coming up next, we're gonna move to
Speaker 1: the Sunday slate and the game in Dallas who the
Speaker 1: Shanahan's are flying. Two receivers go left and curtain Tony
Speaker 1: politic to designed roun for Dak Prescott thirty five gets
Speaker 1: it from behind by Ze south Shire. I gotta get
Speaker 1: up and clock the ball five four three two Dach.
Speaker 1: We'll go on to get it off in time. One
Speaker 1: second to go to the spike cap all in time
Speaker 1: he did out. The forty Niners have won the game.
Speaker 1: What do you got, Alex Camp? Did he spike it
Speaker 1: in time? Forty Niners are Jimmy Ward's got his helmet.
Speaker 1: Offer to the celebrate, Alex Camp? Is the game over?
Speaker 1: Let's end of the game. Hey, it was over. The
Speaker 1: forty Nighters of one. They're on their way to Lambo.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Greg Papa with a call, K and
Speaker 1: b are with tim Ron in there. Yes, Dac on
Speaker 1: a design running play, runs up the middle, slides down.
Speaker 1: They spot the ball, but it was the Cowboys that
Speaker 1: spotted the ball. Not a game official the game Pitsial
Speaker 1: has to run up, he taps the ball. He's getting
Speaker 1: in the way of everything, and by the time they
Speaker 1: finally get the snap off, it was triple zeros and
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys at home once again come up short
Speaker 1: and a huge spot. The forty Niners hold on for
Speaker 1: win over America's team, who go yet another year without
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl appearance. I think it's up to seven now.
Speaker 1: Greg This always profiled as a bad matchup for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys because the forty Niners, the way they played the game,
Speaker 1: the victory they were coming off against the Rams. But
Speaker 1: for the for the most of this game, I think
Speaker 1: what really struck me was just how much better the
Speaker 1: forty Niners looked than Dallas, which is kind of a
Speaker 1: role reversal from what most of the season was. Right,
Speaker 1: it was not two teams that looked evenly matched. You know,
Speaker 1: for most of the game, you know, the forty Niners
Speaker 1: average two more yards for play than the Cowboys. That
Speaker 1: that changed a little bit towards the end, but it
Speaker 1: almost further highlighted the game management fiasco at the end
Speaker 1: because it was on both sides. I feel like that
Speaker 1: that ending was kind of perfect for this game because
Speaker 1: it was both teams struggling in terms of situational football.
Speaker 1: For for the Cowboys, it was mostly penalties, I mean
Speaker 1: just crazy penalties. The Randy Gregory penalty I know on
Speaker 1: Sky that kept the forty Niners on the field, all
Speaker 1: the holding calls that took back big plays by the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But in that final situation, I do kind of want
Speaker 1: to start there since that's where the play is. What
Speaker 1: what is going on? Like it is it is sort
Speaker 1: of like a cliche. I don't know if this is true,
Speaker 1: but they always say this, players always say this. It's
Speaker 1: like if it's under sick, if it's under sixteen seconds
Speaker 1: or so, then you gotta get it out of it,
Speaker 1: Like you don't end up running another play inbounds, Like
Speaker 1: you don't feel comfortable that you're gonna have enough time
Speaker 1: to get up spike it in all of that, and
Speaker 1: for him to for Dack to do that on a
Speaker 1: design run from the forty when they had fourteen seconds
Speaker 1: left made no sense at all, because you could have
Speaker 1: gone to hail Mary's there or whatever you wanna call
Speaker 1: two throws into the end one so you get two
Speaker 1: bites at the apple in that situation, or if you want,
Speaker 1: you could try to move it forward two different times.
Speaker 1: You could have gotten three plays in there by going
Speaker 1: to the sidelines. And yet that like it was just
Speaker 1: a totally illogical play. All right, Do you want to
Speaker 1: hear from Mike McCarthy on this, because Zaddie Mac had
Speaker 1: something to say about what they were thinking here. Let's
Speaker 1: listen to Daddie Mac. It's like anything else you do.
Speaker 1: You want to be running a hail Mary play from
Speaker 1: the fifth year old lid or you want to be
Speaker 1: running five verticals from the l So that's the decision.
Speaker 1: It's the right decision. Um, you know, it's just like anything.
Speaker 1: It's you know, the execution between us and the officiaty
Speaker 1: spotting the ball obviously wasn't into it wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have had any problem get the ball squatted there, Well,
Speaker 1: just there you're looking for. So Mark McCarthy saying, there
Speaker 1: we we knew what we were doing. This is McCarthy.
Speaker 1: This is McCarthy. Always makes these little lines like when
Speaker 1: people do that, like you weren't at the fifty years.
Speaker 1: In fairness, I think he's saying, once you finish the
Speaker 1: seventh step drop back or however far you have to
Speaker 1: set up a hell Mary, you're throwing at fifty yard
Speaker 1: air yards. But Mark at the same time, like he's
Speaker 1: not giving any inch here, he's putting the game on
Speaker 1: the officials entirely, entirely there. I don't think that was
Speaker 1: the right play. I thought their response, UM, Dak Prescott's
Speaker 1: postgame presser and and just most especially Mike McCarthy's. UM
Speaker 1: told me so much about the Cowboys. I heard no accountability.
Speaker 1: It's it's blame, it's looking elsewhere. Um, this was a
Speaker 1: totally bizarre final play. Mike Silver said. It was called
Speaker 1: by Kelln Moore. I mean, I think the thing is,
Speaker 1: if you're Dak Prescott, if anything, you slide earlier, you
Speaker 1: get the ball spotted, spiked, and bang you go from there.
Speaker 1: But I'm with you, Greg, I just think you take
Speaker 1: as many shots as you can at the end zone.
Speaker 1: And it capped off a totally sloppy performance, where again
Speaker 1: it raises questions for me about Mike McCarthy. You seemed
Speaker 1: totally out of his element. I know he gets a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, fire, but at this point, it's like,
Speaker 1: what this This was the biggest moment. Jerry Jones called
Speaker 1: it the worst, one of the worst losses he can
Speaker 1: ever recall it. It's like, I know, he's all hyperbole,
Speaker 1: but this was meant to be the team that was
Speaker 1: never gonna do this, and then all from the first
Speaker 1: minute on it felt like a total collapse job. It
Speaker 1: wasn't this kind of predictable. I mean, you and I
Speaker 1: pick the Niners for that reason, because it's not just well, yes,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys as an entity or have been prone to
Speaker 1: this for decades now, but even this team, the way
Speaker 1: they played down the stretch, it always felt like this
Speaker 1: was in them to come up small in a moment
Speaker 1: like this, like they were a flat track bully. And
Speaker 1: now here are the big bad San Francisco for the
Speaker 1: Niners who go into the building with ninety thousand people
Speaker 1: going nuts and say, we don't care, We're not afraid
Speaker 1: of these guys, and they go right down the field, score,
Speaker 1: go right down the field, score again. And to Dallas's credit,
Speaker 1: they at least were able to stop the bleeding enough
Speaker 1: to make it a game again. And Jimmy g played
Speaker 1: a role in that. He played overall solid game, but
Speaker 1: through another one of those Garoppolo picks that I think
Speaker 1: is eventually gonna get him killed, one of the you know,
Speaker 1: down the stretch in the playoffs this year, Garoppolo will
Speaker 1: make a mistake that end San Francisco season, but not yet,
Speaker 1: because the Cowboys weren't able to come back and really
Speaker 1: make the Niners pay. I think with Greg without without
Speaker 1: stressing the Dallas side of things too much. I think
Speaker 1: that's such a juicy storyline to take out of this game.
Speaker 1: Just the utter flatness that they showed up for a
Speaker 1: playoff game with all, after all the build up through
Speaker 1: the season. It was just so on brand and so disappointing. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: this was a forty Niners defense game to me, and
Speaker 1: and that is showing the Cowboys offense to be the
Speaker 1: front runners that you're talking about. Like if the if
Speaker 1: the match up here was Cowboys offense, you know needs
Speaker 1: to carry the day. They were no match for most
Speaker 1: of this game for San Francisco's defense, which locked lost
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa fairly early. He was having a good game
Speaker 1: early leaves with a concussion, and the defensive line for
Speaker 1: the forty Niners terrorized them. I mean they hit. I
Speaker 1: mean this this felt like a playoff game. They were hitting.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys defense I thought was pretty physical too. They
Speaker 1: settled down once they got almost a little over aggressive,
Speaker 1: and Shannah had had some great play calls and Jimmy
Speaker 1: g and and some conservatism by Shanahan helped them stay
Speaker 1: in it. But like they were hitting, and until the
Speaker 1: very end of that game, the Cowboys offense never got going.
Speaker 1: I mean, this was supposed to be the strength of
Speaker 1: their team, Dak Amari Ceedee Lamb going up against some
Speaker 1: guys on the outside for San Francisco who should be attackable,
Speaker 1: and yet Dak just didn't have the time. Dak wasn't
Speaker 1: very accurate, like, wasn't making good decisions, didn't have time
Speaker 1: back there, and they were just bum rushed. It wasn't
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like they were. They were too evenly
Speaker 1: matched teams. You would not have thought that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were the favorites or in the home team. And I
Speaker 1: think you got Deebo Samuel emerging again as the most
Speaker 1: watchable player in the league. I mean, they just use
Speaker 1: him in fascinating ways. He's so powerful and I know
Speaker 1: that interception was such a on brand mistake by Jimmy
Speaker 1: g but he early on, especially on third down like two,
Speaker 1: Juan Jennings and others just made a couple of super
Speaker 1: money throws and some great catches to Brandon Aiyuk. That
Speaker 1: whole crew played at their best. Where someone who is
Speaker 1: who you know? How do we explain how Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: was essentially kidnapped before the game. The guy is a
Speaker 1: no show in this performance, and all week long it's
Speaker 1: talking about how the Cowboys wide receivers are going to
Speaker 1: dominate San Francisco. It makes total sense and it doesn't
Speaker 1: happen at all. It's like San Francisco is more than
Speaker 1: some other parts on defense. But yeah, Deebo Samuel, it's
Speaker 1: amazing sing It's hard to do this. He scores a
Speaker 1: touchdown every week, whether it's as a receiver or as
Speaker 1: a rusher, sometimes as a passer. He's a remarkable player.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, you you miss most you miss
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa for most of this game. Uh, George Kittles
Speaker 1: held to one catch, and yet you still dominate. So
Speaker 1: you have to feel really good as a forty Niners
Speaker 1: fan coming out of this game that you this could
Speaker 1: be a potential uh deep run in the playoffs, because
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really imagine as we look ahead
Speaker 1: at their schedule, they're heading to Green Bay, UH and
Speaker 1: they'll be playing uh primetime on Fox on Saturday night.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a team that goes into Green
Speaker 1: Bay and is intimidated. I think I think the only
Speaker 1: thing that holds them back is is Garoppolo able to
Speaker 1: keep up with Aaron Rodgers. He doesn't have to keep up,
Speaker 1: but limit the mistakes because the rest of the team
Speaker 1: is peaking at the right time. On offense and defense,
Speaker 1: they're really dangerous right now. Right the the offense seems
Speaker 1: to play good for about a half at a time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's been for a month. Three the Tennessee game, the
Speaker 1: Houston game, the Rams game, this game, it's tough to
Speaker 1: get four quarters out of this offense, especially with Jimmy
Speaker 1: g He could have put the game away with that.
Speaker 1: With overthrowing Ayuk who was wide open earlier in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter when they took the false start to give
Speaker 1: the Cowboys the ball back like that was him being
Speaker 1: a little to just jumpy and not letting his offensive
Speaker 1: lineman get set before the snap, and they take a
Speaker 1: penalty there. So their offense, to me, has great athletes
Speaker 1: and they can put together a good half. But I
Speaker 1: think what's making them special right now is their defense
Speaker 1: and their coaching. Their defensive coaching specifically, like Damiko Ryan's
Speaker 1: called the blitz at at the perfect time there at
Speaker 1: the end of that game. But there's something about the
Speaker 1: way that they coach guys up front really in the
Speaker 1: front seven that year after year, it doesn't matter who
Speaker 1: it is, like you bring in a guy like Abacom
Speaker 1: ends up making a huge impact. They bringing oh Omena
Speaker 1: who from Houston. Halfway through the season. He had an
Speaker 1: awesome game. Armstead was awesome. Dre Greenlaw, who's been good
Speaker 1: for them miss the entire season, came back two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Alsha here. Fred Warner like to me, that's kind of
Speaker 1: where they won this game. They and that's where you could,
Speaker 1: you know, keep the Packers under wraps at least next week.
Speaker 1: Two uh. Before we move on to telecast related notes.
Speaker 1: One UH, CBS gets Jimmy Garoppolo immediately after the game
Speaker 1: tra Tracy Wolfson does the interview and Jimmy G's and
Speaker 1: full Patriot waye mode says nothing interesting, and then as
Speaker 1: soon as the interview ends, they keep the camera on
Speaker 1: him with the parabolic mics around and Garoppolo screaming into
Speaker 1: the stands we own this place, this is our house.
Speaker 1: I just love It's funny. You would say nothing into
Speaker 1: the microphone, but when the cameras right on him fourteen
Speaker 1: seconds later, he's screaming that the Niners now own Geral
Speaker 1: World and my other telecast note is, uh, can we
Speaker 1: get Jay Feely out of here? Can I just can
Speaker 1: I play my favorite? My favorite? I'm sorry, Greg, I
Speaker 1: don't want to step on the toes of anyone in
Speaker 1: your industry, but can can we listen to Jay Pheeley's
Speaker 1: analysis on field goals today? All right, Jay, he's already
Speaker 1: made one from outside fifty This is fifty two this time.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you didn't jenk some Jim talk, Jim talking about
Speaker 1: how successful he's bad. There's a kid, and the gold
Speaker 1: rush continues for San Francisco. Nance is waiting. He makes
Speaker 1: a comment about jenx ing and then Nance leaves the
Speaker 1: mic open. Jay say something, who are throwing it to
Speaker 1: you for some type of information? Nothing? Nothing? Isn't part
Speaker 1: of the problem that like a separate analyst just to
Speaker 1: discuss field goals. I know that's a specialty and that's
Speaker 1: how the US and it's like I get it, it's okay,
Speaker 1: but like the topic does not stir my imagination to
Speaker 1: begin with. I don't need a separate analyst to come
Speaker 1: in and hit me with that. Like, now, that's different
Speaker 1: than the Kickers of Kickers club is interesting and it's well,
Speaker 1: it was it's like, Okay, we thought, you know, they
Speaker 1: put Pereira on the game that was that was a
Speaker 1: great idea, and now you've got the rules experts on everything.
Speaker 1: So they're trying to go to the next I think
Speaker 1: they could use an analytics person if it was the
Speaker 1: right person in some spots, that could be something. But
Speaker 1: they tried to get cute with this kicking thing with Feeley,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not. Well, it's possible too, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to pile on Jay Feely. It's possible of
Speaker 1: maybe another former kicker was doing the same job. You
Speaker 1: might get something out of it. I just think it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's too niche, Like I don't need it
Speaker 1: in my ear during the game necessarily. I can Kyle say, Anyhan,
Speaker 1: you're such a good he's such a good coach, like
Speaker 1: such a good play color obviously good at like the
Speaker 1: organizational aspect, because I think it's a credit to him
Speaker 1: that the coaching staff does so well. If I know
Speaker 1: he's not a defensive coach, but like the fact that
Speaker 1: he's restocked that group and they that's he gets credit
Speaker 1: for that too. But let's go for some four than
Speaker 1: ones now and then I mean, you're early in the game,
Speaker 1: they have the Cowboys on their heels and he instead
Speaker 1: of you know, going for fourth and one so close
Speaker 1: in the red zone, he kicks a field goal, and
Speaker 1: then late in the game, where you basically need a
Speaker 1: yard to put the Cowboys away, he punts it back there.
Speaker 1: It would be one thing if your offense wasn't rolling,
Speaker 1: but but they were. Let's let's uh. I wonder if
Speaker 1: they and him are weirdly conservative when it comes to that.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's sometimes, you know, Mike Shanahan, his
Speaker 1: father in his head, you know, a little bit more
Speaker 1: old schoolly, because it certainly flies in the face of
Speaker 1: what we're seeing from almost everyone else there. Working out
Speaker 1: to him and McVeigh, it ended up working out because
Speaker 1: they Dac missed on that deep shot to Cedric Wilson,
Speaker 1: which that would have if he could connect on that.
Speaker 1: That's a huge play. Who was under pressure obviously, But
Speaker 1: before that, yeah, they're at midfield, fourth and one, Deebo
Speaker 1: Samuel sneezes and he gets three yards. Like, let's just
Speaker 1: let's not overthink this. In the future, Kyle, you gotta
Speaker 1: be a little more aggressive on offense. But who we
Speaker 1: to say that the Niners now have eleven wins, feeling
Speaker 1: good going into Lambeau. All right, let us move on.
Speaker 1: These games are saucy and now let's head to Orchard
Speaker 1: Park where a blood bath went down. The snap Josh
Speaker 1: gonna throw. It takes three steps back, has all day
Speaker 1: long to scan the field, waiting. Waiting still has time,
Speaker 1: runs to his right. Now he's pressure, gets away from it,
Speaker 1: fires one into the end zone and it is caught.
Speaker 1: Dawson Knox makes the catch in the end zone. It's
Speaker 1: at Buffalo touchdown. How did he make that happen? Josh
Speaker 1: Havon had forever to wait for Dawson Knocks to come open. Touchdown, Buffalo.
Speaker 1: That's how it started, and it just never stopped for
Speaker 1: the Bills. John Murphy with the call w g R.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen set a team playoff record with five touchdown passes,
Speaker 1: including two to Dawson Knox. Devin Singletary ran for two
Speaker 1: scores in the first half, and the Bills put on
Speaker 1: one of the greatest offensive clinics you'll ever see postseason
Speaker 1: or otherwise. At seventeen decimation of the rival Patriots in
Speaker 1: the wild card playoff game. This is the crazy thing, Greg,
Speaker 1: Let's start here, because the Bills rang up four hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty yards of offense on fifty one snaps before
Speaker 1: Mitch Drobinsky finished the game with three kneel downs. This
Speaker 1: is one of those games where it's so historically dominant
Speaker 1: that there's just tons of stats. One, the Bills never
Speaker 1: got to fourth down the entire game. That's wild. Number Two,
Speaker 1: that four d eighty yards of total offense that they had,
Speaker 1: it was actually the maximum amount of yards they could
Speaker 1: have had because they scored every time they took the ball.
Speaker 1: They went all the way down the field on seven
Speaker 1: straight possessions, so they had the possibility of gaining four
Speaker 1: and eighty yards in those possessions, and they scored every
Speaker 1: last one of those yards One of the most unbelievable
Speaker 1: performances ever. And you know Bill Belichick and the Patriots.
Speaker 1: What can you say? I think it was the greatest
Speaker 1: performance offensively, I mean efficiency wise, it's the greatest performance
Speaker 1: in NFL history. How could how could you get better
Speaker 1: than being the first team to ever have a game
Speaker 1: without any punts, field goals or turnovers like that is
Speaker 1: they are the first team ever in going back to
Speaker 1: the Usually there's some weird game in like nineteen twenty
Speaker 1: when like you know, like Bronco, you know, Nagurski or
Speaker 1: something somehow like seventy seven touchdowns or whatever. Like they're
Speaker 1: untouched to the end zone times, right, Like the highest
Speaker 1: scoring game is weirdly from one like seventy to forty one.
Speaker 1: But now they're the first team ever to do it.
Speaker 1: It's like they beat Navy when all the guys were
Speaker 1: at war in the Pacific. Like they didn't have a turnover,
Speaker 1: they didn't turn over and downs. I mean there was
Speaker 1: that stack coming out of the last game. Bill check
Speaker 1: and never coached the team that didn't force a punt.
Speaker 1: I mean an opponent didn't punt against him. And they
Speaker 1: now just did it two times in a row. They
Speaker 1: just had two perfect games essentially against Bill Belichick in
Speaker 1: a row. And you know, West was on our minds
Speaker 1: on Saturday with with West of Us and and I
Speaker 1: think he would love Joe Burrow. You know, we we've
Speaker 1: we talked about that. And that was a great performance
Speaker 1: by Burrow. It was like a sneaky great. He didn't
Speaker 1: have that many chances to be great, and every time
Speaker 1: he was. But I think he would have really loved
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and this performance too. He was always a
Speaker 1: believer in Josh Allen and and didn't like that we were.
Speaker 1: I was throwing dirt on him early in his career
Speaker 1: and thought he could be great. And this is a
Speaker 1: guy Josh Allen just at the absolute pinnacle I believe
Speaker 1: of his craft. And he was like that again against
Speaker 1: the Patriots just a month ago. And to do it
Speaker 1: two times in a row against the Patriots defense that
Speaker 1: had been highly competitive all year is like one of
Speaker 1: the most impressive things we've seen in this entire season.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like a perfectly worded poem. Um,
Speaker 1: it was like a novel that devastates you. Was from
Speaker 1: start to finish. It was flawless and like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that even forty eight hours ago, I
Speaker 1: was still involved in these um theoretical Patriots first bills
Speaker 1: whose better war? Because I mean I was oft and
Speaker 1: taken out behind the wood shed about five minutes into
Speaker 1: this game. I texted you after the first touchdown game over,
Speaker 1: and I like to do that sometimes, and I think
Speaker 1: my record is spotty in a lot of areas, but
Speaker 1: my game overs Um sometimes are accurate. It was accurate
Speaker 1: this time. I love something if it makes you feel better. Mark,
Speaker 1: we even could tell the last when you got behind
Speaker 1: the Bills or the Pats one last time on Thursday show,
Speaker 1: we could tell you didn't even believe it anymore. So
Speaker 1: now I was because I mean, really I don't. I
Speaker 1: didn't well, I don't think Mark believed in the Bills
Speaker 1: so much. But it seemed like your Patriots hope had
Speaker 1: been I didn't expect the Bills to do what they
Speaker 1: did here, and I think that in a in a
Speaker 1: weird a f c Um was it was a resounding note.
Speaker 1: I think though, if you look at the last five
Speaker 1: weeks for the Patriots, their defense has fallen off, their
Speaker 1: pass rush has fallen off. They can't stop the run.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you want to just look
Speaker 1: at the way that most Patriots teams under Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: would finish the season. This was the counter opposite to that.
Speaker 1: And I just want to read one quick thing that
Speaker 1: Tim Graham. I love this writer from the Athletic cover
Speaker 1: the Bills forever Um. This was a note his opener,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's brief. It said it was four degrees
Speaker 1: at High Marks Stadium seventeen in Greenland, in Moscow in
Speaker 1: thirteen and nom Alaska, the temperature was about fifty degrees
Speaker 1: where the Buffalo Bills left to New England Patriots. That's
Speaker 1: the year round temperature six ft underground. I read that, dude.
Speaker 1: That's such a great line. Uh, And yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: And you know it did it did make me think.
Speaker 1: And the and the after the game, the Bills players
Speaker 1: they talked about it. They were super annoyed with that
Speaker 1: win the game, that Monday night game, and how the
Speaker 1: media presented that game. And I just find it interesting
Speaker 1: how like, you know, there was a narrative about how
Speaker 1: the great Belichick had outschemed Sean McDermott, Like where is
Speaker 1: the talk on the other side after yesterday's game? Because
Speaker 1: that wasn't that was not just the plan on field
Speaker 1: clinic by the Bills. Was a coaching clinic by the
Speaker 1: Bills who totally changed some of their strategies. They were
Speaker 1: very aggressive in the past as opposed to going run heavy.
Speaker 1: They attacked the Patriots and then New England never made
Speaker 1: any adjustments or never made any that made any difference
Speaker 1: to give up seven straight touchdowns that It's almost unfathomable
Speaker 1: when you think about Bill Belichick and the Patriots that
Speaker 1: we've known, uh for this to have happened. But they
Speaker 1: just they had no answers. There was nothing they could
Speaker 1: do well. Their defensive line was soft. For the last
Speaker 1: four or five weeks this season. They were pretty routinely bullied,
Speaker 1: including by Miami. I thought that was in a game
Speaker 1: that they made it clear that they really wanted to win,
Speaker 1: that they were saying they were treating like a playoff
Speaker 1: game and got pushed around physically. Judeon ended up. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been on him lately not playing that much in
Speaker 1: this game. Apparently has been struggling with an injury. He
Speaker 1: played twenty snaps in this game. That that that helps
Speaker 1: a little from his vantage point. They were missing, you know,
Speaker 1: they're starting one of their starting cornerbacks, um who got
Speaker 1: covid uh and uh the replacement John Williams, which is
Speaker 1: one of many of the failed second round cornerbacks Belichick's
Speaker 1: taken over the years, got filed on on one of
Speaker 1: the touchdown throws to Emmanuel Sanders. I mean it was
Speaker 1: it was also just like one of those nights like
Speaker 1: one team has Josh Allen and the other team doesn't.
Speaker 1: One team is in like year four or five of
Speaker 1: building this thing up, and I think was just very
Speaker 1: comfortable in this matchup because how could you not be
Speaker 1: win three weeks ago. You just had the best game
Speaker 1: I thought by any quarterback potentially of the entire NFL
Speaker 1: season until this game. Josh Allen just did it two
Speaker 1: times in a row. I mean, he's on such fire
Speaker 1: that he was trying to throw that ball away to
Speaker 1: Knox the second time around. I mean he he said
Speaker 1: that after the game he was trying to throw it away.
Speaker 1: Was he had turned around to go back to the huddle,
Speaker 1: and then he heard the crowd go nuts, right, and
Speaker 1: and even that ended up turning into a touchdown. I
Speaker 1: think that was a third down dated actually, so he
Speaker 1: was if maybe I'm mistaken, I think he was going
Speaker 1: to the bench and he didn't realize it. Uh. It's
Speaker 1: really crazy, But like the game essentially fell over on
Speaker 1: that Micah Hyde interception, which was one of the best
Speaker 1: defensive plays of the year. So you're right, it was
Speaker 1: a great coaching job this This team has done a
Speaker 1: great job table and on the defensive side. But it's
Speaker 1: it was also like great playmakers making plays. Uh. We
Speaker 1: we texted back and forth about that. Dan and into
Speaker 1: me like that hyde play was just a sensational play
Speaker 1: that you kind of got to tip your hat to
Speaker 1: the guy. I was. I was a little harsh on
Speaker 1: mac Jones, uh in the immediate aftermath of that, But
Speaker 1: then you watch it again and it was you know,
Speaker 1: it was just a great play. A guy flies into
Speaker 1: the pick sure right before it gets there. And I
Speaker 1: thought the interest you know, um, I know, but I
Speaker 1: thought what I thought this was gonna be a one
Speaker 1: side of game in favor of the Bills. But I
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be the defense throttling down on
Speaker 1: mac Jones. Like mac Jones was far from the problem
Speaker 1: in this game. It seemed like if the if the
Speaker 1: Patriots defense could have just been competitive, it's this could
Speaker 1: have been a different game. Uh. And yet they weren't.
Speaker 1: And I think it it sends you into usually, if
Speaker 1: you're the Patriots or any team, if you go into
Speaker 1: a season with a rookie quarterback and you win double
Speaker 1: digit games and you get to the playoffs, even if
Speaker 1: you lose, it's a it's a success. But to lose
Speaker 1: this way, and knowing the standard of excellence up there.
Speaker 1: I I wonder. I don't think it's gonna be sweeping changes,
Speaker 1: but perhaps we see more changes than we think. On
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball at the very least, well,
Speaker 1: I think they had a lot. I agree they had
Speaker 1: a lot to change on defense. I mean, and that's
Speaker 1: a like donta high tower in both of these Bills games.
Speaker 1: I think was it was a problem and that my
Speaker 1: free agent, he that might have been his last game.
Speaker 1: Kyle van Noy, you know Jamie Collins. Actually I thought
Speaker 1: Collins played pretty well when they brought him back. Laurence guy,
Speaker 1: all these guys have been around it. It was a
Speaker 1: slow offense that couldn't get it done. J C. Jackson's
Speaker 1: free agent. I think they need to make some changes,
Speaker 1: but I think they feel I feel at least like
Speaker 1: it's a successful you're just because of Mac, and that
Speaker 1: they need to just juice up the offense because it's
Speaker 1: an offense first League, and to me, this game was
Speaker 1: a reminder that like, no matter how good you think
Speaker 1: your defense is gonna be, you can get creamed. You
Speaker 1: mentioned like Mac Jones not being the problem, like they
Speaker 1: only had eight drives in this game. Dan, it took
Speaker 1: the Chiefs about six or seven drives to warm up
Speaker 1: on on Sunday night. If it if it had taken
Speaker 1: the Patriots that long, they would have been shut out. Literally,
Speaker 1: I mean the game would was over. They the Chiefs
Speaker 1: had eight drives in the first half of that game,
Speaker 1: and like the Bills didn't even have that many of
Speaker 1: the whole games. Since you're right, Dan, when when they
Speaker 1: when they won the when the Patriots won that first
Speaker 1: contest in bizarre weather? Uh? And I I fell victim
Speaker 1: to this because I just have thought this about Belichick
Speaker 1: for so long that it was a masterful master class
Speaker 1: of coaching. And then when when the last two Bills
Speaker 1: romps um, where's the Sean McDermott praise, It's like, I
Speaker 1: hear you and I think that he's got Leslie Fraser
Speaker 1: never gets talked about. He's done an awesome job. I mean,
Speaker 1: Brian dable to adjust the offense and tinker it and
Speaker 1: come in with a new approach. I mean he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a head coaching. Um. Alan running is so huge.
Speaker 1: Just I know we we hit this before, but it's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons West love Josh Allen was because
Speaker 1: at the end of that rookie year when he just
Speaker 1: started running like crazy and like taking over the league
Speaker 1: quietly for a month like that's been a huge difference
Speaker 1: since the Tampa game is Josh Allen running at will
Speaker 1: and it really makes them hard to stop him. On
Speaker 1: those first couple of drives, especially on third downs, he
Speaker 1: killed him. And it's a it's a testament to organization,
Speaker 1: organizational stability that Josh Allen came in very raw. Um
Speaker 1: was not good at all his first year, even if
Speaker 1: he showed maybe some um strides at the end of
Speaker 1: that first year. Second year ended with strides, but a
Speaker 1: really bad playoff exit against Houston. As you guys no
Speaker 1: doubt remember. But they they kept the coaching, they built
Speaker 1: an offense around him. They they adapted the offense as
Speaker 1: they learned more about their quarterback. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now you have something really special up there in Western
Speaker 1: New York. And now we're gonna get something really special,
Speaker 1: which is Buffalo at Kansas City, Josh Allen against Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes on Sunday, the late game, the uh, the Gym
Speaker 1: and Tony game, uh next week, So buckle up. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be wild. By the way. You know how. First
Speaker 1: of all, yes, I was enjoying the game, of course
Speaker 1: I am. You have to understand this is this is
Speaker 1: basically what I have. It's it's I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to rub it into Patriots fans listening in. It's
Speaker 1: just like when you see a team dominate your life
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, to see them get a
Speaker 1: come up in there in such a public way, it
Speaker 1: kind of feels good. It's why I have to detat Patriots.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to tolerate you. You know, I
Speaker 1: know these threads and stuff. I understand he's really got
Speaker 1: in your head. Then Greg, if that's your actual strategy,
Speaker 1: that's it's not intention though. But you know I had
Speaker 1: side effect. I had those field good vibes from from
Speaker 1: West of this and I had a couple of Tito's.
Speaker 1: And then that game rolled on, and then I watched
Speaker 1: the the New Oasis documentary about their net Worth concert
Speaker 1: last night, and I was just like, this is a
Speaker 1: nice Saturday. I got a little just got better and better.
Speaker 1: As as it's better to lose in a blow, I
Speaker 1: believe as because I think when you lose to a
Speaker 1: team that's unquestionably better and it's not even close. It's like,
Speaker 1: what do you do with that? There's nothing, I think,
Speaker 1: But you don't want to You don't want to have
Speaker 1: a historically bad performance. I take it from me. My
Speaker 1: team has had a lot of those. You just don't
Speaker 1: want to be in the history three books, right. I
Speaker 1: wonder if Hart agrees with your Patriots take that it
Speaker 1: was great to get absolutely your house blown up by
Speaker 1: a nuclear better better than blowing it in a painful way.
Speaker 1: Where it's like we should have done they should They
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done anything more, unfortunately than they did this year.
Speaker 1: This is what they should have done. Maybe maybe what
Speaker 1: they should have done is have the Chargers win in
Speaker 1: week eighteen, uh and then they think they would have
Speaker 1: had a chance to win a playoff game, but when
Speaker 1: when they got sent to Buffalo, it was over. This
Speaker 1: is when you don't think that you think the Raiders
Speaker 1: were competitive in Cincinnati, and that there's no way the
Speaker 1: Patriots would have been competitive. It's a it's a different situation.
Speaker 1: Team that showed up for a wild card weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they looked like they did not belong. Actually looked freezing.
Speaker 1: He just looked freezing. And he was like, how can
Speaker 1: I get this? What? How much fabric can I put
Speaker 1: over my face? You better be free How could he
Speaker 1: not be freezing? Well, I mean I know, but you
Speaker 1: know how like the people that are out there getting
Speaker 1: their stump, you're thinking, like how quickly did we get
Speaker 1: on a plane. I'll be in the Bahamas four days
Speaker 1: from now. It's like it's getting colder and colder. If
Speaker 1: you're winning, you know, if you're the bills and you've
Speaker 1: been taking those pills they've been talking about, you're warm,
Speaker 1: You're good, um the pills, Ricky here in the twilight
Speaker 1: of your twenties. I just want you to know that
Speaker 1: this is this is probably how it's going to be
Speaker 1: from that on. What that The Patriots are like losing,
Speaker 1: so I'm okay with it, Like I I it's it sucked.
Speaker 1: And like the group chat with my friends from home
Speaker 1: like was starting off very very funny, and then it
Speaker 1: like the texts got funnier and funnier as time went on.
Speaker 1: And sort of I see where Gregg's coming from with
Speaker 1: the sentiment, because I did, like, you know, poor cocktail
Speaker 1: and I'm laying on on the couch and I'm like
Speaker 1: literally laughing out loud, like it was laughable, like people
Speaker 1: are saying, and I was like tweeting and like having
Speaker 1: a great time, like going off on Twitter, and people
Speaker 1: are like, you're such a like miserable paths. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I had a great time, Like there was you were
Speaker 1: just drunk? No, I wasn't. I mean maybe by the
Speaker 1: end early on, I don't know if you were having
Speaker 1: a great time, you know, if there's still something novel
Speaker 1: about it for Patriots fans though, for those that find
Speaker 1: enjoyment in that moment, I get what you're saying. When
Speaker 1: that's like eighteen nineteen years ago in a row, it
Speaker 1: becomes a little less, it becomes less novel, it becomes
Speaker 1: more tiresome. All of a sudden, I'm like dragging out
Speaker 1: my a's and that happens, I'm like, make a damn stop.
Speaker 1: They can't stop anything. I found that I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people from New England that maybe relocate and
Speaker 1: you hang out with them and that accent will pop
Speaker 1: out after a few drinks. Or Brian Kelly for instance,
Speaker 1: could we could be a New England or that ghosts
Speaker 1: in Nelson and a new dialect. I feel like I
Speaker 1: was lower on this Patriots team than you know, throughout,
Speaker 1: than than some Patriots fans. But I think I'm higher
Speaker 1: on Mac Jones than than most than than them, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like it was a successful season because I
Speaker 1: really do believe that Mac Jones is going to be
Speaker 1: like a top ten type of quarterback for most of
Speaker 1: his career. And and I know it's early, and I'm
Speaker 1: counting on him to get into that Joe Burrow plan
Speaker 1: that he somehow made his arms way stronger in year
Speaker 1: two because he because Mac Jones needs that and like
Speaker 1: build up his his body because that's that's not there.
Speaker 1: But the fact that they found a quarterback, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: and a great defensive tackle on the second that that
Speaker 1: matters more to me. Not great, but I think that's like,
Speaker 1: that's a huge win. Before we move on, Dan, I
Speaker 1: sent a text um yesterday at six thirty one pm,
Speaker 1: so still relatively holy, where it's like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: still time left in this game. I sent a text
Speaker 1: to Greg have you ever seen a more embarrassing game
Speaker 1: with like four hundred question marks? And he responds, yes, plenty. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm not going to text you. I
Speaker 1: mean oh nine, Ravens is because you have to, you
Speaker 1: have to adjust for expect tions romantic. You just want
Speaker 1: to spend out, can't. I can't. Hey, you know what
Speaker 1: I would love? By the way, you know how if
Speaker 1: you go on YouTube and there's a listen to Bohemian
Speaker 1: Rap City but only Freddie Mercury's vocals, and you're just like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that guy was an amazing talent. I want the radio
Speaker 1: telecast of the Patriots from yesterday, but it's only Zolac.
Speaker 1: Could anyone do that for me? I will, I will
Speaker 1: pay you, or at least say thank you on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I guess is it's like the Drew Brees version of
Speaker 1: that on NBC. Just silence for most of the broadcast.
Speaker 1: Total silence. Not a great not a great game for Drew.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break and then hit the
Speaker 1: rest of the weekend games in the pocket step prop
Speaker 1: firing the ten and the end of the ends touched
Speaker 1: on Kurds City on a tight rope catch and run
Speaker 1: on forty yards on Ford and with teage seconds remaining
Speaker 1: in the second quarter. Oh yes, the Kansas City Chiefs
Speaker 1: started slow, but when that team turns it on, they
Speaker 1: still are special. In the second quarter, cap by that
Speaker 1: late touchdown by Travis Kelsey, they had twenty one more
Speaker 1: in the second half. Final score Chiefs forty two, Steelers
Speaker 1: twenty one. The zombie Steelers are no more. Finally a
Speaker 1: double tap you gott you guys gotta shoot him in
Speaker 1: the head, and the Chiefs did it and uh Marcus.
Speaker 1: Was a game that started out as a potential nightmare
Speaker 1: for Kansas City because the offense couldn't quite get in gear.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's offense was doing nothing as we expected. But then
Speaker 1: disaster strikes a U interception by Beholmes on a tip
Speaker 1: pass and then a sack fum or a running back
Speaker 1: fumble recovered and score a touchdown by t J. Watt
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you got the defensive score.
Speaker 1: You're lose thing as and as halftime nears, But that
Speaker 1: all got quickly wiped away once Kansas City woke up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think, like, you know, watching this because we were,
Speaker 1: I guess we were. Why why do we even have
Speaker 1: to qualify that we were texting during Andy. We're texting
Speaker 1: all the time about everything every day, so just especially
Speaker 1: now that they won't let us do the show Togea. Well,
Speaker 1: that's very We gotta we gotta, we gotta make a
Speaker 1: stand here. We gotta get back into the studio. Man, well,
Speaker 1: we need to come you know, we need to come
Speaker 1: up with our own plan and maybe gotta get Foucci
Speaker 1: on us. So we've gotta get Fauci on the horn
Speaker 1: and have Faucci tell the shadowy league figures, just like
Speaker 1: let the guys in the studio, like got him in
Speaker 1: the studio, let him do the show. Fauci, Frank Signetti,
Speaker 1: anyone that can help us out and give us a
Speaker 1: little bit of an edge here. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the game was just got a head coaching job. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I know he's busy. We'll see how long
Speaker 1: he keeps that. But you're right, I liked him in well,
Speaker 1: I liked him in his other role. I'm saying he's
Speaker 1: so valuable. Who said he's not still doing that? He's
Speaker 1: definitely he's still moonlighting as a private eye. Frank Signetti's
Speaker 1: on the As long as he's still doing it, that's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Just don't ditch that thing. What we
Speaker 1: were going to say to each other, we were enjoying
Speaker 1: the game. I think because it was like, Okay, we knew,
Speaker 1: I think the end result was always going to probably
Speaker 1: be a romp, but it didn't look that way early,
Speaker 1: and it was like, is this game getting weirder and
Speaker 1: weirder by the minute? And then suddenly, uh, Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: throws five touchdowns in the span of ten minutes and
Speaker 1: thirty seconds, which is obviously never happened before in the
Speaker 1: NFL playoffs. Yes, yes, I mean it's insane. It's insane.
Speaker 1: I mean to the point where I mean we tracked
Speaker 1: these games, but I was like eating tacos and kind
Speaker 1: of wandering around the house and changing shirts during like
Speaker 1: the third fourth quarter because it's like this thing is
Speaker 1: so far cooked and the Steelers are such an unwatchable
Speaker 1: mess on offense, and it was big Ben's final performance. Um,
Speaker 1: but it was sad to me. It was a reminder
Speaker 1: of like, and I know that there's you know, people
Speaker 1: just disliked big Ben in general, but if you are
Speaker 1: a quarterback that's cooked, don't come back for that final
Speaker 1: season because you know what. The Steelers actually, I think
Speaker 1: had a pretty enjoyable campaign for Steelers fans, but big
Speaker 1: Ben watching him, I just found it depressing. I mean
Speaker 1: it was inspiring. Like the other fans loved it though
Speaker 1: they really did like one of his favorites. But my
Speaker 1: friend Anthony I do the podcast with, he was the
Speaker 1: same way. They they like loved this season, like it
Speaker 1: was almost like this proves that Tomlin can never have
Speaker 1: a losing season, and that like they were, they should
Speaker 1: have been like a four win team and here they are.
Speaker 1: So I get that as a fan, It's easy to
Speaker 1: see why it was enjoyable. I'm just speaking that like
Speaker 1: something about watching Big Ben. If you look at his
Speaker 1: throat chart, it was like a smattering of a hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty passes at the line of scrimmage, like they
Speaker 1: just they're defending. It happens. It happened. This is how
Speaker 1: it happens for most guys. It's just like people. It's
Speaker 1: like Tom Brady has it makes it feel like this
Speaker 1: is something that doesn't happen. But it happened to Eli Manning,
Speaker 1: it happened to Peyton Manning, it happened to Big Ben,
Speaker 1: it happened to you name the quarterback, and just about
Speaker 1: every guy has kind of that, Like you wish he
Speaker 1: would have retired a year or two earlier, and then
Speaker 1: you have that one last season and like if big
Speaker 1: Ben would yeah, he was just right first round one
Speaker 1: and done throughout. It was very good. He was right,
Speaker 1: but he was he was like he did it. He
Speaker 1: was Okay, you gotta admit, you gotta admit he did
Speaker 1: it the year people he was deeply okay, he was.
Speaker 1: But yes, you're right, he might have been really bad
Speaker 1: if he came back. That's that's fair. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: just think like he has to get out of here
Speaker 1: now because he would have hung around one more year.
Speaker 1: It would have been like this is how we're gonna
Speaker 1: remember the guy. It's like, uh, I think I've used
Speaker 1: this analogy before, but how the Simpsons being on the
Speaker 1: air still and being just uh, to me subpar for
Speaker 1: now almost like fifteen twenty years. It kind of like
Speaker 1: reframes and you don't realize that it was like one
Speaker 1: of the greatest shows of all time for the first
Speaker 1: eight years or so of its existence. So Ben needed
Speaker 1: to go. They need to obviously, they have a lot
Speaker 1: of work to do, the Steelers because they got to
Speaker 1: find a quarterback not on the roster, and they gotta
Speaker 1: add to the blocking obviously just needs to be better.
Speaker 1: They had twenty carries for fifty six yards in this game.
Speaker 1: Naj Harris, who otherwise had a very good rookie year,
Speaker 1: twelve for twenty nine in this game. Um so the
Speaker 1: offense just kind of needs a real jolt and getting
Speaker 1: Big Ben out the door of a help. Right, That's
Speaker 1: that's the issue with tom Win. They have not been
Speaker 1: the same since Mike Monchak left that their offensive line coach.
Speaker 1: And that's that's something Tomlin hasn't necessarily shown that right
Speaker 1: now he has the wherewithal to fix is their offense
Speaker 1: and the right uh coaching decisions, because yeah, they had
Speaker 1: a chance to win this game. They they stopped the
Speaker 1: Chiefs for five drives, scoreless and forced two turnovers. So
Speaker 1: five drives usually gets you to halftime, one of those
Speaker 1: turnovers resulting in a touchdown, right, so we should like
Speaker 1: five drives usually gets you to halftime as a defense,
Speaker 1: So you score seven points, you gave up zero, you
Speaker 1: forced another turnover to put them in plus territory like
Speaker 1: they they really could have been in this game. And
Speaker 1: yet instead when Mahomes got going, I mean it really
Speaker 1: got going, and that it just reminded me of those
Speaker 1: other Chiefs playoffs wins that they had when they were
Speaker 1: really rolling. I'm sure they're gonna think that too, that
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this is just like that Texans game.
Speaker 1: It's just like that Titans game. We can spot anyone.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be spotting the Bills next week.
Speaker 1: But if if they do like they're gonna feel like
Speaker 1: they can do anything, and people can. To your point,
Speaker 1: this was how Pittsburgh's offense went when the game was
Speaker 1: still in doubt. This is their drive chart. Three play
Speaker 1: zero yards, three plays two yards, three plays negative three yards,
Speaker 1: Then they get the interception. They go five plays eight yards.
Speaker 1: Then they go six plays twenty yards. Then they forced
Speaker 1: the fumble and score the touchdowns and now they're winning,
Speaker 1: uh seven nothing. Somehow immediately give up seventy eight yard touchdown,
Speaker 1: drive go three three place eight yards, the next drive,
Speaker 1: give up another touchdown, three place five yards, give up
Speaker 1: another touchdown, halftime game over. They were much better than
Speaker 1: the Mike Glennon Giants by the end. By the last
Speaker 1: three or four weeks, they were about the number twenty nine,
Speaker 1: number thirty offense in the league. That's why I mean
Speaker 1: a chance to win. The defense gave them that chance
Speaker 1: early and then the floor falls out. I thought one
Speaker 1: thing for the Chiefs going forward. Jerick McKinnon, who you
Speaker 1: know has been an afterthought for years, played a really
Speaker 1: good game and fits really well into that offense, and
Speaker 1: they need someone out of the backfield to be a
Speaker 1: spark plug like that and like that, I just think
Speaker 1: he has a bigger role than expected depending on who's available.
Speaker 1: I mean, hundred and forty three yards. They've been waiting
Speaker 1: two years for Clyde Edwards Silaire to make a big
Speaker 1: impact and or stay healthy, and maybe he's back next week.
Speaker 1: But I'm with you, like McKinnon, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: funny like they with the great Mahomes at the controls
Speaker 1: and you have all that speed with Hardman and Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill how and of course Travis Kelsey is on the
Speaker 1: field like this I think was in general this these
Speaker 1: last three or four weeks, they still have it like
Speaker 1: that's still in their DNA and they can go on
Speaker 1: a heat or now, and it's why I think they're
Speaker 1: the best team in the a f C. Um and
Speaker 1: I think they're I think they're probably if I had to, like,
Speaker 1: who's gonna win the a f C was gonna come
Speaker 1: out of this in the next three weeks. The Chiefs
Speaker 1: are might pick because they're special on that level. Um,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be wild because I think all these
Speaker 1: teams that have survived now and the Titans of course,
Speaker 1: now the Bengals, the Bills, these are all I think,
Speaker 1: really good teams. It's gonna be fun to see how
Speaker 1: this AFC shakes out. I'm glad we're getting Chiefs spills.
Speaker 1: On one hand, I was like, oh, I wish that
Speaker 1: was the championship game, but then I thought, no, that's stupid,
Speaker 1: because then that game might not you might not even
Speaker 1: get it. And like, I'm just glad we're getting it,
Speaker 1: Like it's great to have alan like these are the
Speaker 1: two guys who are fighting for a f C supremacy.
Speaker 1: And I know maybe that's maybe the winner of Titans
Speaker 1: Bengals makes the Super Bowl. We'll see, but these two
Speaker 1: guys have been the guys. The Chiefs are trying to
Speaker 1: get to their fourth grade a f C title game.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. McKinnon just quickly. I think it's kind of
Speaker 1: an amazing story. He missed two entire years, he tours
Speaker 1: a c L, missed the entire next season two, like
Speaker 1: Shanahan believed in him enough to give him that huge conference.
Speaker 1: He had twelve carries this year, he had more. He
Speaker 1: had more touches tonight than he had in the entire season,
Speaker 1: and he was electric in that game. I'm with you
Speaker 1: that he should be a big time factor next year.
Speaker 1: And shout out to a Travis Kelsey's mom for making
Speaker 1: it to both her kids games. She was somehow at
Speaker 1: the Eagles game and made it to the Chiefs game
Speaker 1: by like the fourth quarter, in time to see Travis
Speaker 1: throw the touchdown. Because I don't want to be a jerk,
Speaker 1: but did she fly commercial or private? I don't know
Speaker 1: that she flew private. You know, check your privilege. What
Speaker 1: do you want to do to throw a party? My
Speaker 1: guess is she probably you through commercial. I only know
Speaker 1: this because, like the NFL Twitter account was sending this
Speaker 1: nonsense out, I interviewed her once very um engaging, uh
Speaker 1: interesting woman. There are certain Mark Sessler projects that you
Speaker 1: hear a lot about the Mark Sessler Mother's Day the show.
Speaker 1: It was largely a disaster because one of the moms
Speaker 1: was the mom to a player that got um embedded
Speaker 1: in such a large controversy that we had to pull
Speaker 1: his part out of the story, and it was probably
Speaker 1: like it. And we had an executive that used to
Speaker 1: work at our company that said that blame me for
Speaker 1: the whole thing and said why are you a child?
Speaker 1: Or something like that, or just like why why did
Speaker 1: I ever sign up for this hideous assignment? First of all, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mark only had like six projects, so we hear about
Speaker 1: him a lot. You know. It's like those these little
Speaker 1: long forms, these long forms, I think, so I don't
Speaker 1: I think we hear the Mother's the Mother's day. One
Speaker 1: has gotten a lot of juice, for sure, and like
Speaker 1: three uber to the airport. She's definitely in commercial and
Speaker 1: coach that I gotta give it up. There she is.
Speaker 1: She's flying commercial. That's Donna Kelsey. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if she's in the extended leg room section, but that's
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter. That's not are there. That flight doesn't
Speaker 1: look like it even has it. That's a great mom.
Speaker 1: I mean, mom, you wonder what you want her to
Speaker 1: be riding like luggage basically to earn your approval. Then commercial,
Speaker 1: we're still still not good enough. Stick them with the dogs,
Speaker 1: you know. I'm wondering the John Candy U haul from
Speaker 1: home alone, just just rumbling across the Midwest. Uh no,
Speaker 1: all right, so there you go. So the Chiefs rollan,
Speaker 1: Like I said, we are set up for a glorious
Speaker 1: matchup Bill's Chiefs next week at Kansas City. But let's
Speaker 1: roll on, all right, Let's take a break. The final
Speaker 1: game of the weekend, the early game on Sunday. It
Speaker 1: was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, beginning the defense of their
Speaker 1: championship in the playoffs. It went to plan. Here's the play,
Speaker 1: dropping to throw, Brady looks towards the end, Zona tolls
Speaker 1: caud baul evage hes got a Tampa Bay touched on.
Speaker 1: That's a summersault and a box. Put the dagger in
Speaker 1: the heart of the Eagles. Gen Decker ha w f
Speaker 1: Us with the call. The Buccaneers started hot and coasted
Speaker 1: to the finish against an over overmatched Eagles team. Final
Speaker 1: score thirty one fifteen. Tampa Bay sept the tempo from
Speaker 1: the very beginning. Brady Tom Brady led a pair of
Speaker 1: long touchdown drives in the opening quarter. They built this
Speaker 1: built a seventeen nothing lead by halftime, coast to the
Speaker 1: finish line. A little sloppy there in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: allowed the Eagles do that thing the Eagles did in
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year, remember, and they had all
Speaker 1: those garbage time points. They did it again here, put
Speaker 1: up fifteen and the fourth to make it look somewhat presentable.
Speaker 1: But Mark, this was this was a Bucks team ready
Speaker 1: to chase that Lombardi again, an Eagles team that was
Speaker 1: you know, probably shouldn't have been here in the first place,
Speaker 1: let's be honest. Yeah, I mean this is the one
Speaker 1: that got a lot of along with the Steelers game,
Speaker 1: a lot of like why do we have a seventh
Speaker 1: seed operating at this time of year? And I mean
Speaker 1: I get it. Um, you know, the Bucks were a
Speaker 1: six seed last year, so you know it can go
Speaker 1: both ways. But I thought this was all about Tampa's defense,
Speaker 1: and um, you know a Todd Bowls authored Jim absolutely
Speaker 1: beautiful and like they you know, I love that. They
Speaker 1: basically asked him like, are you concerned about Philly's ground
Speaker 1: game and he said, no, just I'm simply not concerned
Speaker 1: at all. And the guys like Jordan's Whitehead, Antoine Winfield
Speaker 1: just shut it down early on. And the thing for
Speaker 1: me that lead that I'd be concerned with going forward?
Speaker 1: Is this that after Tristan Worths went out that I
Speaker 1: thought that Brady was hit a lot, um he was hassled,
Speaker 1: And yeah, they went on and scored their points, but
Speaker 1: if you look at their drive chart post warths injury,
Speaker 1: they were pretty much taken out of their offense was
Speaker 1: not the same on any level. And you know, and
Speaker 1: Brady's fine throwing to a bunch of guys who would
Speaker 1: be like third or fourth stringers on other teams because
Speaker 1: of their injuries. But I don't know if that's survivable
Speaker 1: if he's operating as one of the Dave Damnishek sort
Speaker 1: of Jenda type pieces. Yeah, Ryan Jensen to the center
Speaker 1: got hurt and then came back and seemed to play
Speaker 1: pretty well when he returned, but worse is a huge loss.
Speaker 1: You go from a uh, was he first team O
Speaker 1: Pro this year? I think he might have been played
Speaker 1: every snap for them, So so you go from the
Speaker 1: very best to a backup that struggled. Brady had the
Speaker 1: lowest time to throw of any game by a quarterback
Speaker 1: this year, so he was just getting rid of that ball.
Speaker 1: I think that was the game play anyway, any quarterback
Speaker 1: or I believe by any quarterback. Yeah, of any game
Speaker 1: this year two point one second, like just getting it
Speaker 1: getting rid of the ball. And then he also had
Speaker 1: the lowest you know ad average depth of target of
Speaker 1: any Bucks game this year, So they were throwing it short.
Speaker 1: I think that was the game plan, but it also
Speaker 1: cranked up because of the offensive line. It made sense
Speaker 1: this week, but that's it's a Bruce Arians offense. You
Speaker 1: need to be able to drop back seven steps sometimes
Speaker 1: when you want to and throw it deep, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna need to I think in future weeks. So I
Speaker 1: think that's well said. But they manage games as well
Speaker 1: as any team I've ever seen. Like you can look
Speaker 1: at this box score at the end and the yards
Speaker 1: or play look kind of even. And this happens a
Speaker 1: lot with Box Bucks games, but when you watch the game,
Speaker 1: they really control it. There's such a veteran team and
Speaker 1: veteran coaches that I think the box scores sometimes lie
Speaker 1: with the lie when it comes to the Bucks, And
Speaker 1: definitely with this game, it was such a take care
Speaker 1: of business game. It was Yeah, there was just there
Speaker 1: was just a general vibe around it that you know
Speaker 1: they're they're playing the Milton borough game. We're you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna show it. We need to show to take
Speaker 1: care of business, move on. It reminds me of like
Speaker 1: Grand Slam tennis matches this NFL weekend in like the
Speaker 1: higher seeds, like sometimes you're like watching the early rounds
Speaker 1: almost to just get information on what you think for
Speaker 1: the next rounds. The NFL is not supposed to be
Speaker 1: like that, you know, like, you know, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: it and thinking, who was timing with Tyler Johnson is
Speaker 1: a little off? You know, that's not a great sign
Speaker 1: for the future. But okay, the defense is healthy, now,
Speaker 1: that's a great sign for the future. Should be just
Speaker 1: worried about this week, and that's not how the playoffs
Speaker 1: are supposed to be. I don't know, do you think
Speaker 1: if you're Philly, because you know, you've got teams like
Speaker 1: Baltimore out there that like, we are a run team.
Speaker 1: We're gonna that's our identity because of our quarterback X
Speaker 1: Y and Z. I don't know if Philly comes back
Speaker 1: next year with the same exact offense that they turned into,
Speaker 1: you know a third of the way into the year. Maybe,
Speaker 1: but it seems to limit them at times in a
Speaker 1: big way. I mean, they made the playoffs by beating
Speaker 1: a bunch of bad teams late, and I just thought,
Speaker 1: once you like them, they're the last team you wanted
Speaker 1: to go down. Nobody wants to go down to touchdowns early,
Speaker 1: but like they needed to. It had to be their
Speaker 1: run game that that really dictated a lot of things
Speaker 1: in this game. And when they couldn't do that, you
Speaker 1: put everything on Jalen Hurts. And I know with those
Speaker 1: late scores it made it look much better statistically, but
Speaker 1: I thought Hurts was a little overwhelmed in this game.
Speaker 1: Brian Baldy, we did some great Sky Sports work today
Speaker 1: with Neil and the gang over there, and and Baldy
Speaker 1: had the same takeaway that it just felt like the
Speaker 1: game was a little too big for Hurts. I almost thought,
Speaker 1: I wonder if Mark's boy Minshew gets in this game
Speaker 1: to try to spark him. But ultimately I guess they
Speaker 1: decided they're better off with Hurts, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: and teams hide this stuff all the time. And after
Speaker 1: the game, he's wearing that walking boot again and he acknowledged, like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: that ankle injury I suffered a month ago that that
Speaker 1: banged me up and you could see it, like when
Speaker 1: he's scrambling um on Sunday, he's not moving with the
Speaker 1: same explosive in this that he had earlier in the season.
Speaker 1: So once you take that element away from this team,
Speaker 1: they become very ordinary on offense. They only ran the
Speaker 1: bon nine times other than Hurts his runs. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was it was seventeen nothing, and it was a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, before you knew it, and it
Speaker 1: was a lot of short drives. So that's how that happens.
Speaker 1: But that's that's a disaster scenario for the Eagles. The
Speaker 1: Bucks dominated them. You're right, it was one of Hurtz's
Speaker 1: worst games. He wasn't accurate, he was a little late
Speaker 1: on decisions. Troy Aikman was annoyed because I think he
Speaker 1: was worried this was what was going to happen to
Speaker 1: the Eagles. He was annoyed he didn't get the Cowboys
Speaker 1: game that apparently CBS paid for that time slot like
Speaker 1: extra money to have the Sunday afternoon playoff spot, and basically,
Speaker 1: whatever the best game is, they're going to give that
Speaker 1: to him. And it's not just it's not just I
Speaker 1: think with Troy and we have the sounds so I
Speaker 1: wanted because Troy eventually bubbled over, and no, no, that
Speaker 1: you did a nice job setting up. He eventually bubbled
Speaker 1: over in the fourth quarter. But it wasn't just that.
Speaker 1: There was some shenanigans and some payola involved with CBS
Speaker 1: getting the best NFC game in the first round of playoffs.
Speaker 1: It's at the tone. He got it Romo, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: quarterback that doesn't have any rings, and here I'm Aikman,
Speaker 1: I'm Aikman, I got three and I'm chopped liver. Let's
Speaker 1: listen to Troy Aikman boil over because he got stuck
Speaker 1: with the bad NFC game on Sunday and that game
Speaker 1: coming up, which is on CBS, which is the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys hosting the San Francisco forty Niners. We saw San
Speaker 1: Francisco with that overtime win in l A last weekend.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a good game. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: great game. I'm in a really good game. I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who like to be calling
Speaker 1: that game. But it should be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Did you see Aikman's looking at bucks. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a great game, and he's looking at him, He's thinking,
Speaker 1: should I say it? Should I say what I've been
Speaker 1: yelling about behind the scenes for days now? Screwed, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say it. I wish we were calling that game.
Speaker 1: It was funny. His his exasperation was was one the
Speaker 1: more entertaining parts of this. I'm I never liked the
Speaker 1: seventh seed because I just thought twelve was the perfect number.
Speaker 1: But I think arguing against the seven seed just because
Speaker 1: these two games were bad, uh, is the wrong argument,
Speaker 1: just because I think that's that's random. You watch, it's
Speaker 1: such a small samples as you watch games on any
Speaker 1: given weekend, and usually this would be a pretty good game,
Speaker 1: and usually they're closer. It didn't work out that way,
Speaker 1: But like, you could have too great to seven games
Speaker 1: next year very easily, and then will everyone be back
Speaker 1: on board. I like because twelve made sense to me,
Speaker 1: But but I think it's a little random. We got
Speaker 1: you need like a ten year sample size before we
Speaker 1: judged the seventh seed. But I I three out of
Speaker 1: four games have have stunk, by the way, the Saints
Speaker 1: bear stunk. Bill's Colts was actually the best game maybe
Speaker 1: a wild card weekend last year. It's it's time consuming.
Speaker 1: You're asking people to sit down for three and a
Speaker 1: half hours and watching a game that has zero competitive value.
Speaker 1: And it's the playoffs. It's not it's not the same
Speaker 1: as Week eight or Week twelve. It should it shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: And so it is an eyesore and like it if
Speaker 1: you get three or four years into this and that's
Speaker 1: the way it is. It's not a good product for
Speaker 1: the NFL. And I think they you know, they're never
Speaker 1: going to change it. They'll probably add two more playoff
Speaker 1: teams if anything. Well I know is the Steelers. We're
Speaker 1: a mediocre team with the worst quarterback in the league. Um,
Speaker 1: this team, this Eagles team was a deeply middling team.
Speaker 1: The Matt Naggy like post year one Bears team made
Speaker 1: the playoffs last year and they were completely forgettable. That
Speaker 1: Colts team, I know Greg loves them because Philip Rivers
Speaker 1: was on it, but that is not a very memorable team.
Speaker 1: And they went out that was a good team. I
Speaker 1: mean they were ahead and a buffalo in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter against the two there. But Greg, for you wanting
Speaker 1: sample size there the aberration, right, No, no, you're right.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I guess what I'm saying it's a
Speaker 1: little random. It's like we could have easily had the
Speaker 1: Chargers and you know, in that seventh spot, and then
Speaker 1: maybe that's the game of the weekend. A lot of
Speaker 1: this just comes to write. It just it just increases
Speaker 1: the chances tenfold that a team that shouldn't be playing
Speaker 1: in the bracket is in the bracket. But guess what,
Speaker 1: it makes more money for the league. And we're also
Speaker 1: told that it makes the end of the regular season
Speaker 1: more competitive with their being uh not only one team
Speaker 1: getting the buy. I don't know if that's true or not,
Speaker 1: but that we're that's what we're told. You know, we're
Speaker 1: told a lot of things as humans that we just
Speaker 1: do what we're told and hope things work out, and
Speaker 1: they don't always work out. I'm a good little boy,
Speaker 1: and I will say I think it's a good product.
Speaker 1: To keep doing it. Make it make the season another
Speaker 1: three or four weeks long, add four more playoff teams.
Speaker 1: Have the season start in late July and go until
Speaker 1: early April. It's also weird the but we don't know
Speaker 1: who the Bucks are are playing. You know, they're playing
Speaker 1: the Monday Night winner. But it's just weird. On Sunday night.
Speaker 1: We don't know who they're playing, but that will be
Speaker 1: a great game. And I loved as a as a
Speaker 1: as someone who likes this Bucks team, like to see
Speaker 1: the defense show up. They just look like a team
Speaker 1: that was ready for the playoffs to start. And that
Speaker 1: was the defense that we saw from a year ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Todd Bowls all week was hearing about how dangerous this
Speaker 1: Eagles running game is and this is upset city and
Speaker 1: and and the Bulls of Sons. Was just like, bro,
Speaker 1: just wait, wait, all right now, you guys gotta wait
Speaker 1: a couple of days before you hear us again. Tuesday,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be on the scene, uh for Monday Night Football,
Speaker 1: the primetime game between the Rams and the Cardinals. I like,
Speaker 1: whoever comes out of that game, barring some type of
Speaker 1: like mystical performance, I'm gonna pick the Bucks. But that
Speaker 1: pass rush, that offensive line issue for the Bucks is
Speaker 1: gonna be trouble. I'm thinking about Aaron Donald and Don
Speaker 1: Miller potentially or Chandler Joe. I mean interesting, look what
Speaker 1: look what it did to the Chiefs a year ago.
Speaker 1: So I mean it's like very good point. These tackles
Speaker 1: are gold. It was a long time ago. But the
Speaker 1: Rams should have some confidence. Uh pretty pretty soundly beating
Speaker 1: the Bucks way back and what was that week three?
Speaker 1: If if they get through, I'm not I'm not counting anything,
Speaker 1: especially after Mark apparently switched his lock. I thought he
Speaker 1: got his lack right. I thought you got the forty
Speaker 1: Niners right, But then you sent the tweet out after
Speaker 1: the forty Niners had one. Confusedly, which didn't I lock
Speaker 1: the Cardinals at the end of our show or am
Speaker 1: I misremembering that I switched it to the Cardinals. You
Speaker 1: did say that. I did hear you say that at
Speaker 1: some point, but it's hard to keep track of all.
Speaker 1: I think that means that you locked four different teams, right. Well,
Speaker 1: it's not a great feeling because I kind of forgot
Speaker 1: who I had previously locked it was. Did I mean,
Speaker 1: I have to go back and listen to the show
Speaker 1: now because I thought I went Patriots, Niners, then Cardinals, um.
Speaker 1: But to find out that according to the to the
Speaker 1: to the official guy the site that like I had
Speaker 1: picked the Niners and then moved off that in the
Speaker 1: had one. What am I doing here but lock it Up?
Speaker 1: It Up? His name is lock it Up? Unlock it up.
Speaker 1: That's what I'll call him, lock it up. Uh No,
Speaker 1: you did pick three. I think we can get to
Speaker 1: the bottom of this right now, Mark, because you initially
Speaker 1: you got hot in the pants. Ricky nailed that lock.
Speaker 1: By the way, while you're trying to figure this, good job, rick,
Speaker 1: She's she's locked two in a row, Bills over Patriots.
Speaker 1: You've really got a good beat on this on this
Speaker 1: matchup here, I think you got super hot in the
Speaker 1: pants and locked up the Bengals, I think, and then
Speaker 1: you move to the Patriots, and then you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's started with the Patriots. We'll have to check
Speaker 1: Theriots and the Niners, then the Niners, and then I
Speaker 1: do think you switched to the Cardinals at the very end,
Speaker 1: and when I'm gonna be there, and so I have
Speaker 1: something now. I'm not roote, you know, I am contractually
Speaker 1: obligated to say pretty things about the Rams, but um,
Speaker 1: I'm not really rooting for either team, but i'd like
Speaker 1: I would like to make it clear the rest of
Speaker 1: us on the podcast, we are not contractually obligated to
Speaker 1: say nice things about the right. That's the way in
Speaker 1: your head. Mark, It's like my kids are Rams fans,
Speaker 1: and I can't even like get it in me to
Speaker 1: like be particularly like a big family. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: happy for them. You can choose to believe me them.
Speaker 1: So you need the Cardinals to win in l A
Speaker 1: or the comp is pretty much over. It's funny you
Speaker 1: referred back at some point. I don't remember what program
Speaker 1: it was or what of Like you off handedly mentioned
Speaker 1: how you had locked up the Cardinals, and I was like,
Speaker 1: did you I don't. I never was there for that.
Speaker 1: Someone else checked the tape. I don't have time check
Speaker 1: it by tomorrow night. I think we should just let
Speaker 1: it stand as Cardinals and we move forward, right. It
Speaker 1: takes the stakes of that game say that after listen,
Speaker 1: I'm just taking care of business. I don't after watching
Speaker 1: uh the Balls of Sounds. Finally Todd Bowles comes through
Speaker 1: for me. Um, it actually wasn't. It was not Todd's
Speaker 1: fault the way things went to New York. He does
Speaker 1: deserve a second big chair. You have to hurt you
Speaker 1: when when Troy just like out of nowhere had a
Speaker 1: sniper fire of like, oh, you can't count Todd Bowles
Speaker 1: the time in New York. That's a mess of an
Speaker 1: organization like you, but they are who said that more
Speaker 1: than me on this podcast. When people say that and
Speaker 1: then they go, oh sorry, Dan, it's like, dude, I
Speaker 1: know the Jets suck and our run poorly. No one
Speaker 1: knows better than me. Well maybe your dad, but no
Speaker 1: one beyond your dad. At least the old man got
Speaker 1: to see Nameth. But we don't need to talk about
Speaker 1: the Jets right now. The Jets don't exist right now.
Speaker 1: Only a few teams are left and we're gonna get
Speaker 1: to him. Uh So Tuesday you'll hear from us again,
Speaker 1: do you around? The NFL broadcast will be back at
Speaker 1: the end of next week, and of course we have
Speaker 1: a preview show, So another big week for the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you everybody for listening. Um, congratulations Cincinnati and all
Speaker 1: the Westlings, who, by the way, locked up the Bengals successfully.
Speaker 1: I think we all hit on our locks leading into
Speaker 1: this Monday night game. So a lot to be excited
Speaker 1: about and thank you for listening. And that's it till Tuesday. Yes,