1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: This podcast is presented by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals and your one stop shop for 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: optimizing all your office technology. Visit Pacific Office dot Com. 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it punt? Is it put? Oh my goodness, 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: it's put. DeAndre Hopkins, he put it for dockdown. You've 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: gotta be joking me. Welcome to Cardinals Underground, presented by 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: the Pacific Office Automation. Visit Pacific Office dot Com. Problem solved, 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: buck down, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces? 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: it on. Slam the ground by Fota Baker Like a torpedo. 13 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: He came flying into the backfield. I scared of nobody. 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic. Now, guys, I'm not sure to what 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: degree we've ever done. Best Pricta is here on Cardinals Underground. 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: But I put the question to you, Darren urban Kylo, 17 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: to guard yours truly poly podcast over here, do you 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: think we should effective immediately adopt any of the best 19 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: practices advanced by Nickelodeon the other day, did you have 20 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: been I just saw where they they garnered two million 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: plus viewers, their most watch program in four years, So 22 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: I'm wondering there's anything to be learned from that. And Kyle, 23 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: you have a smile on your face right now, since 24 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: that's closer to your demo than either me or Darren, 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: do you have any sort of comment accordingly about the 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: Nickelodeon broadcast we adopt. I mean, I know it's a 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: podcast here, but it does our place for slime cannons 28 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: here in this episode of Cardinals Underground presented by Pacific 29 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: Office Automation prop partner the Arizona Cardinals. Yeah. Absolutely, that's 30 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: what I was gonna say. I mean, if we can 31 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: just pour slime on Paul every time he says poly 32 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: podcast or poly pencil neck or anything like that, then 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: I think I think the kids would love that, and 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: we'd get the demographic we want, which is what like 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: five fifteen. That's kind of the group that we make 36 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: sense to. So I think it's a great idea. Well, 37 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: that's revealing Darren, that's right. There's some pent up frustration 38 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: apparently with your there's apparently Wow, there's that's a latent 39 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: rip job right there just waiting to happen. I don't 40 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: know if it's late. I mean I personally, Paul, I 41 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: think you need to read the room once in a while. 42 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: But for besides that, I mean, I think, uh, if 43 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: you're really saying, did I hear you right? You said 44 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: that that was the most watched program in Nickelodeon and 45 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: in four plus years. I mean, it just shows you 46 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: NFL is king and it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter 47 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: what you slap it on. It's it's gonna get the ratings. Right. 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: It was I will say it was cool. Um. You 49 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: know a few of us here at work we're kind 50 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: of talking about on a group chack. I believe Jim 51 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: Hundre was the one who really brought my attention to it, 52 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: and h I flipped it on right before the Saints 53 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: got that first touchdown. I saw the slime. I ended 54 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: up taking a video of it on my phone and 55 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: tweeting it out and got a lot of engagement because 56 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: there was a lot of people who didn't even realize 57 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: it was on, and it was it was fun. I mean, 58 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: if you know a little bit about the sport it. 59 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it was pretty basic because they were trying 60 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: hard to like kind of introduce the sports the people 61 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: who haven't seen it before. But honestly, Paul, the biggest 62 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: thing that I noticed was Kurt Warner noting that, um, 63 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: I believe his oldest son is thirty one, and those 64 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: of us who have been around him for a long 65 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: time know that his son is blind and mentally disabled 66 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: because of a childhood accident. And he was mentioning that 67 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: that broadcast allowed his son to watch a full game 68 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: with him for the first time ever because his son 69 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: was actually interested in And obviously, uh, that's that's an 70 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: extreme example, but that's what the NFL is trying to do. 71 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: It's it's trying to create some new fans, and heck, 72 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: if it's if it's getting a lot of eyeballs from 73 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: everybody on Nickelodeon, I'd go for right. And you know, 74 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: that's when I first realized that I think was Kurt 75 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: r tweet and then and then I scrolled back and 76 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: I saw the tweets from you guys, Darren. I made 77 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: special note of your violation of copyright laws and sending 78 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: out the video. Lucky for you, the FBI has much 79 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: bigger problems right now in this country than to track 80 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: down scoff laws like Darren with video issues. Go there 81 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: as of this one right now, you know. And as 82 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: I scrolled back and I watched some of the highlights 83 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: and some of the references, I mean, I'll be honest 84 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: with you, I only understood about twenty percent of them maybe. 85 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: But my eleven year old, who I use as a 86 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,559 Speaker 1: reference point, I say, no, wait a minute, I showed 87 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: her this on Twitter. Did you get this? Oh yeah, 88 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: she explained it to me. Every single one of the 89 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: references was explained to me by my eleven year old. 90 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: So you know, it was a little role reversal here 91 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: at Costa CALVISI all I saw was the highlights after 92 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: the game, and I just saw the touchdown and then 93 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: the little slime cannons in each corner of the end zone. 94 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: I thought that was the best thing ever. I think 95 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: we should incorporate that to Fox, CBS, ESPN, Like, why 96 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: not have slime canons after every touchdown scored in the NFL. 97 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: It's a no brainer. It's sort of like the NFL 98 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: Draft in a different way. I mean, my wife, who 99 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: doesn't know a football from a foosball watch the entire 100 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: NFL draft for the first time. Why because she got 101 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: a window into everybody's pad. Right what it was? Okay, 102 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: what sort of furniture decord do they have? What's that 103 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: house look like? Sometimes for those of us who get 104 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: into the accents and ohs and the passion we have 105 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: for the wins and the losses and all the analytics involved, 106 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: sometimes it's good yours truly, most especially, did zoom out 107 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: and realize sports is entertainment. That's what it is, essentially. 108 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: And if it's that diversion, okay, great, So you know, 109 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: I assume they're going to continue to do it. More 110 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: platforms are better for the NFL and their growth. I'm 111 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: guessing with all the entertainment and TV broadcast contracts up, 112 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: they use that and leverage that, and that might be 113 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: another TV package we'll see going forward. By the way, 114 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: real quick, the Cardinals are going to have a seventeenth game. 115 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: There is that pretty much decided at this point. It 116 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: hasn't been absolutely confirmed, but I would say all signs 117 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: point to yes. At this point. They figured out how 118 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: they're going to schedule it, They've talked all about it. 119 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: It's just a question of actually saying for sure it's 120 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: going to happen, but I think ultimately there will be 121 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: a seventeenth game starting this coming year. Yes, right, So 122 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: that was a good part of the playoffs, was the 123 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: Nickelodeon broadcast in the slime Cannons, Kyle. For me, the 124 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: bad part was watching a team like the Bears and realizing, 125 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, the Cardinals should have been. There, could 126 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: have been, There would have been such a better playoff team, 127 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: and yet they were not. And that was to me 128 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: the most vaccine part of Super wild Card weekend. Yeah, 129 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: totally agree. I mean, the Cardinals were the sixth best 130 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: team in the NFC to me, not a doubt in 131 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: my mind that that's where they ranked. But they lost 132 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: the tiebreaker to the Bears, and then obviously the NFC 133 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: East had to get somebody in because of the way 134 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: they do the playoffs. But you're right, the Cardinals, if 135 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: they went to New Orleans or if they went to Seattle, 136 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: I think they would have been competitive. They were. They 137 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: were competitive basically in every single game this season except Carolina. 138 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: So that's a team that I don't know if the 139 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: Cardinals would have won a playoff game but I think 140 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: they would have definitely had a better showing than the Bears, 141 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: who I mean, their offense was just stuck in mud 142 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: like it usually is against good defenses. Kyler Murray is 143 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: a type of X factor where no matter how good 144 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: your defense is, he can still make plays. And it's 145 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's it's a little disappointing we didn't get 146 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: to see what he could do on a nice stage 147 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: like that against a good defense, because the Cardinals had 148 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: that type of high end ability to compete with the 149 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: really good teams. But the tiebreaker didn't go their way, 150 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: and unfortunately the Bears made it and then kind of 151 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: limped out. I would I would agree, I understand the disappointment, 152 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: and I would agree with Kyle that they're probably the 153 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: six becks team in the NFC. But then you've got 154 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: a Miami team that beat the Cardinals, that had ten 155 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: wins this season, that couldn't get in the playoffs either. 156 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: So you know, again, they had their chances. You know, 157 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: they they if they beat the forty nine ers, they're in, 158 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: and on hindsight, so you know, at this point, you know, 159 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things where while it kind 160 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: of stunk um. You know, the Cardinals made their bed 161 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: and that's kind of how it ended up, all right. 162 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: You mentioned the Niners, Kyle mentioned Rams, Seahawks the NFC 163 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: West in the playoffs. Darren, right back at you. Give 164 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: me your takeaways from that Rams victory. First time the 165 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: Seahawks have lost at home in a playoff game in 166 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: over a decade. There were ten straight home playoff wins 167 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: they had had, and the Rams went up there and 168 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: got it done with Jared Goff as it turned out. Yeah, 169 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I think what you really saw in that 170 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: game was was a couple of things. One you saw 171 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: how really really good the Rams defenses right now. I 172 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: mean Aaron Donald got hurt and left and didn't play 173 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: most of the second half, and the Seahawks really couldn't 174 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: do much of anything. That was amazing to me. And 175 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: it just again understores underscores of Brandon Staley has done 176 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: as a defensive coordinator. And I mean, guys, let's remember 177 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: how everybody was shocked when they got rid of Wade 178 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: Phillips and they said, what are you guys doing on defense? 179 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: And they clearly got better, but they're really good defensively, 180 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: and I thought they probably made the right call with 181 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: starting Woolford a quarterback, and then he gets hurt early 182 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: and golf did enough. And he's clearly still not in 183 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: a great place because of the thumb injury. But that 184 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: was a team that might be able to go some 185 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: places just because of their defense. He wasn't the turnover 186 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: machine that he had had been so many times during 187 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: the season, which is really cost him because I mean, 188 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: you're talking about a defense that under Brandon Staley allowed 189 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: the fewest points Kyle, the fewest yards, the fewest yards passing, 190 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: the fewest touchdown passes, the fewest first downs. The best 191 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: thing happened to the Cardinals right now is if Robert 192 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: sal and Brandon Staley get head coaching gigs elsewhere. Yeah, 193 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, it's it's funny how much we 194 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: talk about this being an offensive and pass happy league, 195 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: and it just shows if you have an elite anything 196 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: in the NFL, you're gonna be competitive. And the Rams 197 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: have an elite defense, and even though they don't have 198 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: an even an average quarterback, to me at this point, 199 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: there's still a scary team. I think the Packers Rams 200 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: game is gonna be fun just seeing strength against strength 201 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: like that. But you're right, Paul. I mean, if if 202 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: some of the best offensive minds in your division can 203 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: get plucked into other places for head coaching jobs and hey, 204 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: maybe they grab some assistance, I think the Cardinals will 205 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: be all for that because I think in the NFL, 206 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: maybe not more than every other sport, but I think 207 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: coaching is so important in football and that can mean 208 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: a really big thing. Where basketball coach a baseball manager 209 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: on a game to game basis, I'm not sure how 210 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: much of an impact they have compared to somebody else 211 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: at their level, but if you have a really good 212 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: football coach, I think that means a lot. I can't 213 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: let that go though. I'm sorry, Jared Goff one hundred 214 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: and thirty four million dollars quarterback and Darren he's not 215 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: an average quarterback. Did you catch that content from Kyle 216 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: he's less than average? Jared Goff? Agree or disagree? Well, 217 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to put you in a 218 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: bad spot, mister Calbert, but I mean, what would you 219 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: say at this point? You gotta give him average, You 220 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: gotta give him average? Come on, you know he did 221 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: he have some did he slump during a good part 222 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: of this year, sure, but he's at least average maybe, 223 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: but if you know, again, I do think, Look, he's hurt, 224 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: and I think that's the biggest reason why he didn't 225 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: start against Seattle, but it probably isn't the only reason. 226 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: And to start a guy that had had one start 227 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: in his career against the Cardinals. And again it goes 228 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: back to what you were saying about the turnovers. I mean, 229 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 1: some of the things Walford does, which which he can. 230 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: He turned the ball over against the Cardinals. Not a ton, 231 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 1: but he did turn the ball over. But again, you 232 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: you have so much more room for air when your 233 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: defense is that great. Now you know they're going to 234 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,479 Speaker 1: go play a Green eight team that's way better offensively 235 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: right now than Seattle is. And that's the Seattle is 236 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: another great story in terms of you know, I read 237 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: a story about Russell Wilson which was, you know, his 238 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: uh ceiling is still as high as it's been, but 239 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: maybe his floor is a lot lower than people thought 240 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: it was. And there's a lot of things that go 241 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: into it. But um, there's a lot of people wondering 242 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: what has happened in Seattle. And now Pete Carroll's talking 243 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: about we got to run the ball more, which was 244 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: the whole antithesis of letting Russ cook and where they 245 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: were at the beginning of the year. And you know, 246 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: there's just been a lot said, and you know, this 247 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: is something we can get into. And I'm sure Kyle, 248 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: who surprisingly when we were texting about this, said he's 249 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: actually come around a little bit to Pete Carroll's way 250 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: of thinking a little bit. We'll let Kyle weigh in 251 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: on that. But the idea of what the Rams are 252 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: doing right now with their cover two and everything is 253 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: basically like, you know what, if you want to try 254 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: and run against us, fine, Now they have a great 255 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: defensive line, so it's even hard to do that. But 256 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: if you want to run against us, fine, because if 257 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: we don't give up explosive plays in today's NFL, you're 258 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: not going to beat us. And that's where it comes from. 259 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: And that's quite frankly, what we saw from the Cardinals 260 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: when they weren't getting explosive plays, their offense went nowhere. 261 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: And that's where you have to have an offense that, 262 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: no matter what defense the other team is playing, you 263 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: got to find big plays. And if you just say, well, 264 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: they're playing us in such a way that we've just 265 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: got to grind it out five yards at a time. 266 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: Teams are gonna be like, fine, we'll beat you then. 267 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: And when you have the top cover corner in the 268 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: NFL and Jalen Ramsey and then you hit on some 269 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: of your lower draft picks who end up being real 270 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: playmakers in that secondary in ales down and you've got 271 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: a real fear secondary go along with that front seven. Yeah, 272 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: that's how you have the best defense in the NFL. Now, 273 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: whether they're able to compete in the cold at lambeau Field, 274 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: and we'll see what Aaron Rodgers does against them, and 275 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, this year's MVP for all intents and purposes, 276 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: that'll be. That's just that is the best matchup to 277 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: me the entire weekend barn on Aaron Rodgers against that 278 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: Rams defense. Hopefully the weather isn't bad enough that it 279 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: really sort of muddies our read and takeaway on that game. 280 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: But you know the thing about the Seahawks, Kyle, is 281 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: they just doubled down. John Schneider just got a contract 282 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: extension through twenty twenty seven. Draft Pete Carroll's under contract 283 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: through twenty twenty four. We know halfway through this season 284 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: they had a historically bad defense. Somehow Bobby Wagner made 285 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: All Pro first team. I have no idea how that happened. 286 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl or okay, All Pro. No, not this year. 287 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: Not Bobby Wagner, at least to me on that fence, 288 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: which came around a little bit. But you know, to me, 289 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: when you're looking at the decision makers, once you get 290 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: beyond the twenty thirteen draft, there's not a lot to 291 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: like in Seattle to me, and it just to me 292 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: is just so much credit to Russell Wilson, and yet 293 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: the head coach and the gmn't continue to benefit with 294 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: long term contract extensions. I mean, you got to give 295 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: them credit for DK Metcalf too. That was one of 296 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: the best draft picks in recent years. It's interesting with 297 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: John Schneider because you mentioned nothing much since twenty thirteen, 298 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: but that run that he had, and I think twenty 299 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: eleven twenty twenty thirteen drafts probably rivals any two or 300 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: three drafts that any GM has ever had. And they've 301 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: consistently been successful through these years, even though those personnels 302 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: have been hit or missus because they drafted Russell Wilson 303 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: and they made some other good picks, and I mean 304 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: I would be I would have been shocked if you 305 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: didn't want to keep John Schneider because of inaggregate what 306 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: he's done. Pete Carroll to me is a more interesting 307 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: case because he seems like a very old school coach 308 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,239 Speaker 1: in a league that has really evolved, gone heavy into analytics, 309 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: gone heavy into passing, and Pete Carroll really pushes against 310 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: some of that stuff. And we saw a lot of 311 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: coaches make to me mystifying punt calls over this weekend, 312 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: and I think, I think we're going to reach a 313 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: point where you just cannot have a coach making those 314 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: decisions anymore because they're so detrimental to your team. So 315 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll to me is the more interesting one. I 316 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: understand the John Schneider extension, but if Seattle declines a 317 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: little bit next season, I don't know how they're going 318 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: to start feeling about about Pete Carroll being the coach 319 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: long term. But we'll see what they do. Everybody talks 320 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: about this every offseason and then Seattle goes out wins 321 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: ten eleven or twelve games. So is that decline coming? 322 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, Mom Russell Wilson I'd say, you 323 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: know what, John m on this latest contract extension, feel 324 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: free to fix the offensive line because that's been an 325 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: issue for a good decade plus. That's just me. We 326 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: should have known him by the way the contract extension 327 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: was coming, just based on the fact that a couple 328 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: of weeks ago there was that story that supposedly got 329 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,239 Speaker 1: leaked about the Lions having interest in John Schneider's So, 330 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: in hindsight, hashtag leverage, I'm guessing that was from his 331 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: agent and that somehow hit the marketplace and then contract 332 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: was done not soon thereafter. So interesting, how right there? 333 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: You know that is a shrewd next level move. Look, 334 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: if there's one thing that GM knows about us negotiating 335 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: right and leverage. So so there you go, job well 336 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: done on his own deal. What do you think, Darren? 337 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: Can we say the Cardinals are the third best team 338 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: in the division? I know you got some mailbag questions 339 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: along these lines. Just where the Cardinals raided in the 340 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: division when you consider the Niners are only going to 341 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: be a year plus removed from a Super Bowl and 342 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: they were the most injured team in the league. When 343 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: they get a lot of those guys back, especially on 344 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: that defense. Where do you think most will project the 345 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: Cardinals in the division and are into I was in 346 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: twenty one with a lot of personnel decisions still to 347 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: be made, obviously, Yeah, I mean that's number one is 348 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of change, especially in 349 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: an offseason where we don't know exactly how this is 350 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: all going to hit. Like, I know the Rams are 351 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: going to have some cap issues with some guys, and 352 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how that impacts them on what they're 353 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: going to do a quarterback. But I mean, let's face it, 354 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: if you say the forty nine ers are going to 355 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: be healthy, and let's just say for the sake of 356 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: argument right now, although it does seem like everybody starts 357 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: talking about how the forty nine ers are going to 358 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: try and find a way to move on from Jimmy Garrappolo. 359 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: But let's say they decide to keep Jimmy Garoppolo one 360 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: more year and he's healthy going into next season. We'll 361 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: see if he is. But if they get all healthy, 362 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: I think the prognosticators are probably going to put the 363 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals fourth into the division, and you're going to have 364 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: to prove something else. I mean, you had a chance 365 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: to make some headway this year, and you only finished third, 366 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: and a lot of people are gonna say the big 367 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: reason for that was because the forty nine ers got 368 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: so injured. You know, the Cardinals have something to prove, 369 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: and it's still going to be a very difficult division 370 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: going forward, and this team's got to kind of figure 371 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: some things out. Clearly, Speaking of Kyle, where do you start. 372 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 1: Let's do a little triage and this Cardinals roster and 373 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: needs wants. Where do you start? What do you think 374 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: is most pressing right now? I mean, as we sit here, 375 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: knowing who's going to be free agents, I think cornerback 376 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: is your top priority, and then I think a number 377 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: two wide receiver is your second priority. And then I'll 378 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: go into your offensive line as your number three priority. 379 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, we'll see who gets resigned, and we'll see 380 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: who's available in free agency and all that. But when 381 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: I look at from a roster construction standpoint, those are 382 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: the three spots to me that stand out the most 383 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: interior O line. Let's reverse engineer that real quick. Justin Pugh, 384 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: there's an option in his contract the Cardinals can get 385 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: out with minimal damage to the cap. Isn't that correct, 386 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: he's not an unrestricted free agent, but there's something in 387 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: there that allows him to. Is that where you're referring 388 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: to that and the fact that j R. Sweezy is 389 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: up correct? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I think I think 390 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: DJ Humphries had a really nice season, and if you 391 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: want Josh Jones to take over on the right side, 392 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure how they feel about his development, 393 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: but you figure he'll get that shot. But to me, 394 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: I felt like the weakest part of the Cardinals on 395 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: the line was on the interior, and I don't know 396 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: how that'll look. Obviously, j R. Sweezy is a free agent. 397 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: You could keep Justin Murray. We'll see how that goes. 398 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: We'll see what they want to do at center. And 399 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: then Justin Pugh. I mean, he's under contract. It's it's 400 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: it's definitely a guy who they signed as a marquee 401 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: free agent, so he's making pretty good money. There would 402 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: be a dead cap hit if you release him, so 403 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: it's not like there's any option for the Cardinals to 404 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: get out of it. Scott free and I thought Justin 405 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: pu had a pretty good season, so we'll see what 406 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: they want to do with that. But I just feel 407 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: like if you can find find a pro bowl guard 408 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: on the open market, or if you're gonna go do 409 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: a splash signing, if it's not corner or wide out, 410 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: I could see it being an interior offensive lineman where 411 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: they're not super expensive. You want to fortify the trenches 412 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: to help Kyler Murray. To me, that would make sense, 413 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: especially in this division against the Rams in particular, no doubt. 414 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: All right, let's go in reverse order. Number two receiver, 415 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: Darren if you believe the reports to say David Rye 416 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: was terminated as Cardinals receivers coach, to what degree is 417 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: at a result of the fact that Kyle is posing 418 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: that question that there is no number two receiver at 419 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: least no clear candidate right now between Christian Kirk and 420 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: Andy Isabella, two former second round picks. Well, you, if 421 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: you make a move, you're making a move for a reason, 422 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: and I certainly don't think it's anything on a personal level, 423 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: which sometimes can happen. So then you're left with nothing 424 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: else but to think that that has to be part 425 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: of it. And I just it just felt like it 426 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: was so significant to drop off behind DeAndre Hopkins in 427 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: terms of who they had catching passes and it doesn't 428 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: have to just be receiver. We could be talking about 429 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: tight end or whatever. I mean, Chase Edmonds was it 430 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: felt like, and Pyle and I have talked about this 431 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: stuff before, it felt like, ultimately beyond Hopkins and maybe 432 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds in the past game, there was there was 433 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: a lot of vagueness to it. I mean, you you had, 434 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, you'd have Christian Kirk step up once in 435 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: a while, you had Dan Arnold step up once in 436 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: a while. There was a couple of decent games for fits, 437 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: but for the most part, there was no place where 438 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: you're really thinking that, Okay, this is this is a 439 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: guy we can really be sure of every game, and 440 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: certainly not a guy that could draw defenses away from 441 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins or be an important target consistently if they 442 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: were gonna go all in on defending DeAndre Hopkins. So 443 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: I think that's something they desperately need to find. Now, 444 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: whether that's on the free agent or in the draft, 445 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. Obviously, with the draft it's a little 446 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: bit more of a of an interesting proposition because you 447 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: don't know how quickly that guy will come around. I mean, 448 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: you know, you look at some of the receivers that 449 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: were taken early last year or taken I mean Justin 450 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: Jefferson was freaking awesome. And I remember Jerry Sullivan, uh 451 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: telling me long before the draft if he had a choice, 452 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: if he was making the pick at eight, he would 453 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: love to take Justin Jefferson. He knew they weren't going 454 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: to but that was the top receiver he wanted. Now, 455 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: he worked with an An Lsu, but you could make 456 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: the argument he was the best receiver in the rookie class. 457 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: And I think Ceedee Lamb looked pretty good, but Jerry 458 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: Judy was very up and down. You know. It's Henry 459 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: Ruggs didn't do a ton for the Raiders, so Brandon 460 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: Auk was injured a lot, but yeah, he was productive. 461 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: It's gonna be it's gonna be very interesting to see 462 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: where they go with that. But I think it's something 463 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: that needs to be addressed. And beyond that, I'm the 464 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: two guys I'm looking at very carefully for next year, 465 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: Christian Kirk and Andy Isabella. We haven't seen enough out 466 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: of Andy Isabella and Christian Kirk's going to be going 467 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: in the last year of his contract, and what kind 468 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 1: of future do they have here? And do they have 469 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: to do a lot more to cement a future here? 470 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: I'm actually quoting. This is from Bob from your mailbag, Darren, 471 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: and part of his question to you about the receiver 472 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: spot was about Andy Isabella and your assessment in the 473 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: roster breakdown that his quote future seems murky. I think 474 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: we all agree with that. And then Bob wants to know, 475 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: quote in the limited playing time that he's received, the 476 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: speed and hands appear to be there with Isabella, what 477 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: part of his game are the Cardinals not happy with? 478 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: Kyle take a crack at that? What do you think? 479 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the speed's there, but I think his hands 480 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: have been uneven, and I think he doesn't have the 481 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: catch radius that you'd like to have for a wide receiver. 482 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: I think when he's open, he'll catch the pass, but 483 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of contested catches where it doesn't 484 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: feel like you have a lot of confidence in Andy 485 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: Isabella coming down with a pass like that, and he's 486 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: stretched the field at times, but he's not that type 487 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: of weapon where teams are super worried about him and 488 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: shading a safety because he hasn't proven it over and 489 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: over so I think I think the hands and the 490 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: catch radius is an issue, and sometimes I think team 491 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: or defensive backs can get up on him and be physical. 492 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: He can't get the clean release and that messes up 493 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: his route. I mean, we can look at it however 494 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: we want. I'm not an expert, but you just look 495 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: at the depth chart and when Keishan Johnson surpasses you, 496 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: Keishan Johnson is fine, but he's a sixth round pick 497 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: who is probably a depth receiver. He's not a guy 498 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: who's probably gonna be starting in the NFL for a 499 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: long time in his career. And Andy Isabella fell behind him. 500 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: So I think that tells you more than anything that 501 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: anything we can because they want Andy Azabella on the field. 502 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: This group drafted him in the second round. They took 503 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: him over DK Metcalf, like there's a lot invested in 504 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: Andy Isabella to succeed. And we saw some flashes very 505 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: early on. He had that deep catch against Washington. He 506 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: showed what you want him to be. But it's just 507 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: been so hit or miss that I don't think you 508 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: can really count on him having a big role going 509 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: into next season. And that's disappointing for a former second 510 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: round pick. I mean, the reality is is, here's a 511 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: guy who when he was inactive down the stretch. Cliff 512 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: Kingsbury said it was because Larry Fitzgerald was back and 513 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: Keishawn Johnson's been playing pretty well. So if somebody was 514 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: gonna sit, and that was Isabelle at the time. Well, 515 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald didn't play in the last game and Andy 516 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: Isabella was active. And I know the Cardinals were horrible 517 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: offensively most of the game in the last game, but 518 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: Andy Isabella had three offensive snaps, So I mean, even 519 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: when he was active, they weren't using them. So I 520 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: think that's you know, we'll have to see where this goes. 521 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: But I agree with Kyle. They wanted him to succeed. 522 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: They want him to succeed. I should say that in 523 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: the present tense. But whether that's going to be impacted 524 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: by a new coach or not will off to see. 525 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,239 Speaker 1: It's interesting. I remember we were in LA and a 526 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: couple of times he did check in, and we may 527 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: note to that Darren. Right in between plays, here comes 528 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: number seventeen, and I didn't realize it was only three 529 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: snaps that entire game. I would agree with you, Kyle, 530 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: if you're the quarterback and you're throwing into traffic, what 531 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: sort of confidence do you have that Andy Isabelle is 532 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: going to come away with that ball. Yeah, he had 533 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: the fifty four catch against Washington in that same game. 534 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: You remember he caught the slant behind him and he 535 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: used his hands. I was great. The next game he 536 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: had two touchdown catches against the Lions, the thirteen yard 537 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: or the four yarder, and then just sort of dried up. 538 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: He really didn't do much of note the rest of 539 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: the year, to the point where he was an active 540 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: down the stretch quite a bit. And you know, you 541 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: mentioned a word earlier, confidence. I would cite that word 542 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 1: as a word that Andy Isabella's used is confidence in himself. 543 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: And when he has that confidence as that he belongs 544 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: in the NFL and he's that guy, he seems to 545 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: play better. And if you remember, he was willing to 546 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: open up about that a little bit a month into 547 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: this season, about his rookie season, and there were times 548 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: where he admitted he wasn't sure he necessarily belonged and 549 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: yeah he had the speed, but did he have the 550 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: rest of what it took to be a productive NFL receiver? 551 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: So if somehow he can just regain that confidence that 552 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: we saw early in September of this season, because it 553 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: did seem like that was missing and with it it 554 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: sort of took the rest of his game. And the 555 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: hard part to me is where does he fit in 556 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: if you are trying to get him regular playing time? 557 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: My guests would be Christian Kirk is going to be 558 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: in the slot next season. It feels like he's a 559 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: little bit miscast as an outside receiver because of his size, 560 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: because he doesn't have elite four three speed. To me, 561 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: it feels like Christian Kirk is more of an ideal 562 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: slot wide out. But if he does, you're not doing 563 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: the four wide that you thought you might be doing 564 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: when you drafted Andy Isabella. So is he an outside 565 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,479 Speaker 1: guy who's strictly a burner that's just going to be 566 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: your JJ Nelson deep threat? Are you going to try 567 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: to get him? I mean, how else do you get 568 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: him on the field? Obviously, if there's an injury, he 569 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: can play slot, but Larry Fitzgerald missed three games this season. 570 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: To me, that felt like a great opportunity for Andy 571 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: Isabella to show that I can be your slot receiver. 572 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: That's where you wanted me in the beginning. Look what 573 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: I can do when I'm in here. I'm a little 574 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: bit smaller, but I can really I can really be 575 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: elusive running these shorter routes. And it didn't pan out. 576 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: And that's my concern is when you look at roster 577 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: construction and you figure out where Andy Isabella is going 578 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: to play next year, to me, nothing stands out, you know, 579 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: and Wolf has made this point. Look, the Texas went 580 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: out and got a Burner to pair with DeAndre Hopkins 581 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: and Will Fuller, and that was really successful. Yeah, Fuller 582 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: missed a number of games, but when he was out there, 583 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins was much more productive, and so was Will Fuller. 584 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: So you can get Andy Isabella to the point where 585 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: he's beyond a JJ Nelson where just the four to 586 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: eight precedes him JJ Nelson and he's more than a 587 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: decoy if he g'd be productive. If you're wondering, okay, 588 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: how do you really unleash this passing game and keep 589 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: these defenses honest? Who are trying to keep everything underneath? Well, 590 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: if you can get a burner like in Andy Isabella, 591 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: that kind of skill set, who can actually get beyond 592 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: the defense and make them pay. You know, I think 593 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: that goes a long way now, whether that is number 594 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: seventeen or you have to go out and find that 595 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: guy in free agency or in the draft. You pull 596 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: a BA and you start looking for guys who run 597 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: a forty three or sub four three, and you bring 598 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: him in just because you think that's what's going to 599 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: compliment your offense. I wonder if that's the thinking to 600 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: some degree going into the offseason when they try and 601 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: figure out, Okay, how do we fortify this receiver room. Yeah, 602 00:30:54,280 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: I mean it's going to be there's so much involved here, 603 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: especially in particular with Andy Isabella. Going back to what 604 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: we were saying before, which is, you know this is 605 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: and we've seen the video. I mean, this is a 606 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: guy that Cliff Kingsbury was so excited to draft, and 607 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: Steve Klein was happy to make that move. But again, 608 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: like Kyle said, when they took them, there was a 609 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: different view of what this offense was going to be 610 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 1: than where are they all right now? And even then 611 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: we're like gonna be two offenses removed. I know we're not. 612 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: They're not changing the offense that much, but it's not 613 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: going to be the four wide thing, and I don't 614 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: even know how much it's going to be what it 615 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: was this year, just because of how they struggled. I 616 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: just think there's so much that goes into it that 617 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: at this point it almost feels like whether it's Isabella 618 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: or whoever they have in the receiver room, other than 619 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: needing somebody, it almost feels like they got to figure 620 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: out exactly how they're going to approach it and then 621 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: figure out what the personnel are going to be, because 622 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: it feels like there's kind of a two part a 623 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: two part thing to this at this stage. Well, which 624 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: brings us Larry Fitzgerald. So here we go. Now, if 625 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: memory serves based on a conversation we had earlier last year, 626 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: it was this week where he made it known that 627 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: he was coming back for another season twenty twenty two 628 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: years ago. He waited two weeks beyond this stage till 629 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: late in January and then revealed his decision to come 630 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: back the following season, so it could be anytime. It 631 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: sort of feels like he's going to take his time 632 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: in making this decision. I don't know exactly, but if 633 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: he comes back, Kyle, Larry Fitzgerald, what do you think 634 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: his role is where does number eleven fit? Yeah, I 635 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: mean I think you line it up similarly to what 636 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: you did this year if he comes back, And that's 637 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: kind of the unknown, Like I'm talking about a number 638 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: of two wide receiver. If Larry comes back, you still 639 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: have Christians under contract. Obviously you've got d Hop. Do 640 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: you have the resources to get a number two receiver? 641 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: Does it make sense roster composition wise, because I don't 642 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: think Larry Fitzgerald wants to come back and play as 643 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: the fourth receiver thirty five to forty percent of the snaps. 644 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: I doubt he'd be interested in that. So I think 645 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: you'd run it back similar to what you have this year, 646 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald in the slot de Hoop on the outside. 647 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: I think Christian Kirk, as inconsistent as he was at 648 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: this price point, it makes sense to keep him as 649 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: a starter, a guy who will give you production. I 650 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: think he can improve on what he did this season. 651 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: So if he's a seven eight hundred yard guy, that's 652 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: not quite the ceiling that I thought Christian Kirk could 653 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: get to, but that's that's valuable enough to have him 654 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: in your lineup. I mean, a guy making whatever he's 655 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: making a million bucks two million bucks as a former 656 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: second round pick. You want to play somebody. You need 657 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: to save your resources in certain scenarios, So I think 658 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: Christian Kirk needs to play. So yeah, I think it's 659 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: definitely a wild card. If Larry Fitzgerald comes back, then 660 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: maybe you aren't looking for a wide receiver and free 661 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: agency in the draft unless you're looking at it as 662 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: more of a long term option more so than twenty 663 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: twenty one. Up the potentially awkward conversation, what is Larry 664 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: making on a contract next year when the cap has 665 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: been significantly reduced, when his role has been reduced? Are 666 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: you paying him the eight figures in twenty twenty one 667 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: and basically putting a dollar sign in front of his 668 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: jersey number for the fourth or fifth grade year and 669 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: giving him another eleven million? Darren, I just don't see 670 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: how that math would compute. I would agree with you. 671 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: I mean, i'd never say never, you know, and he 672 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: does have a direct line to the owner, so you 673 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: don't know how that would go. But yeah, I mean 674 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: that's been part of the equation the whole time that 675 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: I've thought is like, I don't know how they would 676 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 1: be able to do that just like if you're talking 677 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: about Patrick Peterson and what he has been making and 678 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: what he would make for this team next year, I 679 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: just it does not make a lot of sense to me. 680 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: But you don't know. I would agree with Kyle though. 681 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: It's it's it's a massive wild card. And if you don't, 682 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: if you decide that you're going to go into the 683 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: season with Hopkins and fits Kirk is your top three receivers, 684 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: then then I think you've got to give heavy thought 685 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: to a tight end that may be more involved in 686 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: the past game. You have to, as we've talked about earlier, 687 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: to me, you have to have a much more dynamic 688 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: pass catcher at some point. It doesn't have to be 689 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: a wide receiver. But again, if you decide that your 690 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: top three guys are going to be the guys that 691 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: are already here, then you've got to find it someplace else, 692 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: because I do think that's going to hurt this team. 693 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: With all due respect to Larry Fitzgerald, if he's sticking 694 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: around and you just keep everything status quo, I don't believe. 695 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of fans that would disagree 696 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 1: with me at this point, but I don't believe it 697 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: is all about what Cliff Kingsbury is calling on a 698 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: play by play basis of why this offense struggled. I 699 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: just don't believe that. So I do think there's personnel 700 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,439 Speaker 1: things involved, and not just a receiver. Maybe some other 701 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 1: places on offense, but you know, I think there's multiple 702 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: places that have to be addressed and that has to 703 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: be given that all has to be given thought. Does 704 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: Larry use an agent these days? No, he does not. 705 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: Right his agent passed away a few years ago and 706 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: because of that, he's basically worked on his own and ultimately, 707 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: the way it usually works is he decides whether or 708 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: not he wants to play, and then he has a 709 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: conversation with Michael Bidwell and they just basically do it directly. 710 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: They have that kind of relationship. It makes, you know, 711 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: a lot of sense in a lot of ways, which 712 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: is why it's been so quiet and quite frankly, why 713 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, we've kind of benefited because Larry is allowed 714 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: the team to announce him coming back last two or 715 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: three years, because it's the agent that usually lets it 716 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 1: out to the Adam Schefters and Ian rappaports in the world, 717 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: and when there's no agent, then the team can put 718 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: out the news themselves. So that's that's partly how that's happened. 719 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: Of he needs a consultant this whole thing. You can 720 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: hire de Hot. You know, de Hot represents himself as well. 721 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: I still remember the headline. It was great headline after 722 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: de hoop signing was what forty two million guaranteed and 723 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: it's twenty seven guaranteed forty two million on the contract 724 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: and the big screaming headline was direct deposit. So that 725 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: was good. That was that was well done. Is you know, 726 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: there's always that benefit right there. I'd tell you I've 727 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: told this story before but and I think it still stands. 728 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: You guys tell me. But it was actually after the 729 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, the Rams, I'm sorry, the Rams, the Seahawks 730 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: and the Patriots. That was at State Farm Stadium, and 731 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: there was an event and I think that was the 732 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: first year that Larry's future was in question. And happen 733 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: to be m seeing this event and a team owner, 734 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: Michael Bidwell, was a keynote speaker, And it was literally 735 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: a day or two after they had come to a 736 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: contract agreement and Larry was going to come back, and 737 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: all these people were streaming to the main head table, 738 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: and they're all making a bee line for Michael and 739 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: shaking his hand, and every one of them had one 740 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: thing to say, thanks for bringing Larry back. Hey, Larry's back. Great, 741 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: well done. Oh man, that rate news? Larry's back. Does 742 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: that still move the meter in that regard the guy 743 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: who's on a first name basis with the state of Arizona. 744 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: What do you think? How? Yeah? I think one hundred percent. 745 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: I mean, if this is a receiver that you're looking 746 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: at his numbers and his age and it's not Larry Fitzgerald, 747 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: the team might say, hey, you know, even if you 748 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: want to play, maybe it won't be here, But it's 749 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald. He's an icon in Arizona. Everybody loves Larry Fitzgerald. 750 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 1: He's been a tremendous ambassador for the organization. Darren mentioned 751 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: his great relationship with Michael Bidwell, like the Cardinals wouldn't 752 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: want him to go play somewhere else for a season 753 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: and save that five million dollars or whatever it is 754 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: they don't. I mean, legacy means something, and for Larry Fitzgerald, 755 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: for the Cardinals, it would mean a lot if he 756 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,839 Speaker 1: became you know, if he played his entire career for 757 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, So I think certainly the name along with 758 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: who he and you know who he is, is a 759 00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: very big deal, and I would kind of pick back 760 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: off that and saying, look, on a personal level, I 761 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 1: personally would like Larry Fitzgerald to be able to play 762 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: in his final game and not sit on the sidelines 763 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: because of a groin injury. I would like for him 764 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: to be able to be in front of fans for 765 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,359 Speaker 1: his final game rather than be in front of an 766 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: empty stadium. I would rather have him have an opportunity 767 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: to have that last game be a playoff game winner lose, 768 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: you know, whether that makes sense. And look, there are 769 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 1: some fans out there that, as much as they love 770 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,879 Speaker 1: fitz have talked about, you know, it's time to move 771 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: on for some of the things that we've talked about 772 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: because of mostly the cost that would be involved. But 773 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of things that 774 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 1: can happen. And I will say this, there are ways, 775 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 1: and I don't think this is any surprise, there are 776 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,720 Speaker 1: ways where you can have Larry Fitzgerald on this team 777 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,839 Speaker 1: and playing a role and you can win games. It's 778 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: not like we're saying, if Larry Fitzgerald's playing, then you're 779 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: do yourself to not doing well. That's not true at all, 780 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: and in fact, there's been plenty of fans who have 781 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: made sure to let me know that while you know 782 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: clearly Larry's separation isn't what it once was, perhaps there 783 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: are plenty of times when he's open and Kyler just 784 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: doesn't see him, which is also very possible. And there's 785 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on Kyler Murray there too when 786 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't throw it his way. I think he's gotten 787 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: sideways with some fans just because of how popular Larry is. 788 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,760 Speaker 1: So it's I think there's pros and cons for Larry 789 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: to decide to come back. I think there's pros and 790 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: cons for the Cardinals to have him back, but I 791 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 1: think ultimately it will be allowed to be his decision 792 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: and then they'll work with it either way, and it's 793 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,359 Speaker 1: going to be an interesting next couple three weeks. What 794 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 1: was the comment from Kyler in his final meeting with 795 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: the media where he said made sort of a cryptic 796 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: comment about you know there were other things going on? Yeah? Right? 797 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: Is that? What was other things? He didn't want to 798 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: get into this? I didn't want to get into at 799 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: the time or Okay, so whatever that means, and we 800 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: don't know. It's one hundred percent abject speculation, whether maybe 801 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:14,720 Speaker 1: there's some immaturity, whether the team's evolving the proverbial learning 802 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: how to win, whatever that means, you know, whatever that 803 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: is to me, Larry would be a step in the 804 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: right direction towards resolving that. And so there's yet another 805 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: reason to bring back number eleven. I know you can't 806 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: quantify that, and he's not the most overt leader, but 807 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, there's a lot to be said for 808 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: a guy who sets the right example and shows the 809 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: young guys how to act and proceed and conduct yourself 810 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: as a professional. And if that still needs to be improved, 811 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: if you will, based if nothing else in some of 812 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: those comments from Kyler at the end of the season, 813 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: then if I'm the owner and I'm the GM, I'm saying, 814 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: you know what, Yeah, Larry, check sap box and maybe 815 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:06,839 Speaker 1: we need a little bit of that com Yeah, here 816 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,879 Speaker 1: we go. I could tell by the look on your 817 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: face that was the answer. I was going to get 818 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: the human element. YEA, all right, I'll give you this. 819 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: I think hashtag uh I think there's certain teams over 820 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: the years that have gotten to a place of some 821 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 1: toxicity where no matter how much talent they had, it 822 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: didn't come together because there was in fighting or a 823 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: lack of work ethic and things like that. But I 824 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: believe in totality, you're going to have a lot of 825 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: different personalities in a locker room, and majority wise, I 826 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: think a team is as good as its talent is. 827 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 1: I mean, Larry fitzgild was here when the Cardinals were 828 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: the worst team in the NFL. Larry Fitzgield was here 829 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: when they made the Super Bowl. He was a leader 830 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: in both scenarios, but it depended on the talent around him. 831 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,240 Speaker 1: So it's certainly a good thing that your superstar wide 832 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: receiver is a guy that you want everybody to emulate. 833 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: And I think that should not be discounted because there's 834 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,720 Speaker 1: plenty of diva NFL superstars that can lead younger players 835 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: down the wrong track. So I think it's definitely a 836 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: good thing that Larry Fitzgerald is not a star that 837 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: plays like that. I mean, people should follow what he 838 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: does because he does things the right way. But when 839 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: it comes down to it, for me, I look at 840 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,280 Speaker 1: the results on the field. I don't think it's learning 841 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,839 Speaker 1: how to win. I don't think it's a lot of 842 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: behind the scenes issues. I feel like the Cardinals didn't 843 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 1: have enough talent on offense. I feel like they didn't 844 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 1: have they didn't make the most plays in certain situations. 845 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: I think some of the close games went against them. 846 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: But I don't think it's this huge character issue or 847 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: leadership issue. I just think they get a few more players, 848 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: they make the right calls in certain situations, they come 849 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: out the right side on close games. We could be 850 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,359 Speaker 1: talking about a different scenario. I've got one hundred percent 851 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 1: agree on that one. Actually, I just I agree with 852 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: what Kyle is saying. Ultimately, you know, if if they 853 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: don't play flat against the forty nine ers, but more importantly, 854 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 1: if they finish off the games against the Patriots and 855 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: the Dolphins like they could have or they should have, 856 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 1: and the Lions, this is a whole different conversation. And 857 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, if if they finished those games against the 858 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: Dolphins and the Patriots and the Lions, even if they 859 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,720 Speaker 1: lay that egg against the forty nine ers, nobody's talking 860 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: about it. I mean, I remember, and you'll remember this, 861 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 1: PAULI Monday and Night Football. They won the division in 862 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine Monday and Night Football. They went 863 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,359 Speaker 1: to play a not a very good forty nine Ers 864 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: team and they were terrible, and they turned the ball 865 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: over four or five times and it was a sloppy, 866 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: gross night. I don't think it was raining, but it was. 867 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,879 Speaker 1: They had rained, and they lost like twenty four to nine, 868 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: and they look like garbage. But nobody cares because they 869 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: won ten games that year and they made the playoffs, 870 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: and everybody forgets about it. You. I mean, heck, although 871 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,479 Speaker 1: we talk about it all the time, the Patriots lost 872 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, I mean, that's the ultimate 873 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,839 Speaker 1: where is your leaders? How could you let this happen? Game? 874 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: But because of how the rest of the year finished out, 875 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's just this cool footnote about 876 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: how it changed, and instead the forty nine Ers game 877 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: this year is ultimately always going to be about this 878 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 1: just showed how they didn't have any leaders and everything 879 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: like that, and I just, ultimately, I think it comes 880 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 1: down to having the talent and playing better football. And 881 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: I think, with all due respect to Larry Fitzgerald, I 882 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: think they're help if he's around for all the reasons 883 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 1: Kyle said, but if he's not there, that doesn't doom 884 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: them to five years of crappy football. And I get it. 885 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: Like I said, it's tough to quantify. I guess I 886 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: would cite things like leading the league in penalties. I 887 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: guess I would cite you Week sixteen and what Cliff 888 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: Kingsbury himself said, just the lack of intensity and urgency. 889 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 1: You know why what happened? How does that? Yeah, playoffs 890 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 1: are right on the line, and you're going against a 891 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: third string quarterback and a third string running back. It 892 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,279 Speaker 1: runs for a buck eighty three. Those are the kind 893 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: of things that you know. It's where the Houston Texans, 894 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: behind a phenomenal year by Deshaun Watson, that bad is 895 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,280 Speaker 1: something obviously was amiss the rest of that team around 896 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,919 Speaker 1: their stellar quarterback for examples. So I believe in those 897 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: things maybe a little more than you guys do, certainly, Kyle. 898 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: But bye, But but we'll see, we'll see. And that's 899 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: the that's what's interesting about the offseason. Will the decision 900 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: makers come out and actually say it? Doubtful? Do they 901 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,800 Speaker 1: need to say it? Sometimes it's based on the additions 902 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 1: they make. They show their hand. It's like putting your 903 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,840 Speaker 1: cards down, you know, in poker. You see what a 904 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: guy eventually has, and you see what they think, what 905 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: they diagnosed to this team, what exactly was wrong based 906 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: on the additions they make. So we speculate, and then 907 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,399 Speaker 1: going into March, we start getting some answers. I think 908 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm very much on a limb when it comes 909 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: to this stuff. I think coaches and front office people 910 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: agree with you. I think they put a lot of 911 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 1: stock into culture and leaders and following certain examples. So 912 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm the one that's kind of unique, more soil than 913 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,840 Speaker 1: what you're saying. I think a lot of people agree 914 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,839 Speaker 1: with you, Paul. Of course, when the Cardinals draft Travis 915 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,360 Speaker 1: Atn out of Clemson, according to Todd McShane, number sixteen overall, 916 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: Travis CTN. Yeah, Travis ETN, Did I screw that gonna happen? No? 917 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 1: I just said running back so we can get into 918 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,279 Speaker 1: the running back debate of a first round pit never 919 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 1: gonna happen. No, No, I mean second round maybe not 920 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 1: first round, never gonna happen. I just you know, what 921 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,239 Speaker 1: do you do? Though? If Kenyan Drake isn't back and 922 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: his contract is up. You know, you watch a cam Acres, 923 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 1: for example, and you realize what young legs can do. Right, 924 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: look at out dynamic cam Acres was in that playoff 925 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: winn against Seattle. Yeah, I don't get me wrong. I 926 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: think if Drake isn't here, they're absolutely gonna go after 927 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,239 Speaker 1: running back. I'm probably in the draft. I'm just saying 928 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,759 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be in the first round. And with all 929 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 1: due respect to like Eno Benjamin and I know all 930 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 1: the fans that keep asking about you know, I don't 931 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,520 Speaker 1: anticipate an Eno Chase Edmonds combo. I mean I would 932 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: think it would be a bigger back. It almost feels like, 933 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, Eno is perhaps somebody have a round, especially 934 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,279 Speaker 1: if something happens when Chase Edmonds gets to the final 935 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,960 Speaker 1: year of his contract next year, you know, maybe you 936 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: make a change out there because of the position. And 937 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,400 Speaker 1: that's what I love Chase Edmonds. I hope he doesn't 938 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,839 Speaker 1: go anywhere, and I think he's become really important. But 939 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 1: if anything, we found that the running back position, I 940 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,919 Speaker 1: just think it's been underscored the last couple of years. 941 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 1: I mean, Nick Chubb is a second round pick, and 942 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaker 1: those are high relatively hot picks, but they're still second 943 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,440 Speaker 1: round and Cam Akers wasn't a first round pick, And 944 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,920 Speaker 1: I just I just think you're gonna find guys other places, 945 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: and this team has other spots that I mean, if 946 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 1: there's a cornerback at sixteen, I would think that they 947 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: would want to go after a cornerback, or if if 948 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 1: all the cornerbacks are gone, maybe an edge rusher with 949 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,839 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones going to the last year of his deal 950 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 1: and that at this point not knowing what happens with 951 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 1: the other guys, or again, perhaps sixteen. I don't think 952 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,520 Speaker 1: it's too high for a really good guard. If you 953 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,400 Speaker 1: see one, like when Kyle talked about internal inside offensive line, 954 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,279 Speaker 1: we'll see. But I just I would be willing to 955 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 1: lay not that would ever gamble, just so you know, 956 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 1: but I would be willing to lay a lot of 957 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,960 Speaker 1: money that it would never be a running back, and 958 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:40,360 Speaker 1: that would violate the Steve Kime sort of right protocol 959 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 1: for the draft, which is you're going after cover, corner, 960 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,880 Speaker 1: edge rusher, left tackle, quarterback. If you're talking about the 961 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 1: first half of the first round, oh, correct, Those are 962 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 1: the sort of difference. Now, if you're gonna find a 963 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,600 Speaker 1: Quinn Nelson at guard and he's somewhere in the middle 964 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: of the first round. Okay, I get it, But running 965 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,799 Speaker 1: back would seem to be a stretch, especially based on 966 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 1: the construction of this roster. Yeah, think definitely, based on 967 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: what we're doing. I mean, I'd be comfortable you give 968 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,160 Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds sixty five percent of the snaps seventy percent 969 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,839 Speaker 1: of the snaps, and you can find somebody to play 970 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,840 Speaker 1: thirty percent of the snaps of running back, Like I 971 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't put any resources into that. You can find a 972 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,320 Speaker 1: six round pick, an undrafted guy James Robinson for the Jaguars. 973 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,000 Speaker 1: I think that's his name. He ran for a thousand 974 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,600 Speaker 1: yards this year, Philip Lindsay, undrafted guy ran for a 975 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 1: thousand yards last year. Like, there's plenty of guys, and 976 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,800 Speaker 1: but I think at number sixteen kind of in general philosophically, 977 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 1: I think you're kind of pass the point where you're 978 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,440 Speaker 1: only looking at premium positions at sixteen. Now you're starting 979 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,359 Speaker 1: to talk about do I want the third or fourth 980 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,839 Speaker 1: best cornerback or the third best wide receiver, or would 981 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,399 Speaker 1: or other have the best guard or the best tight 982 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:52,080 Speaker 1: end or the best inside linebacker. For Paul Calves something 983 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,719 Speaker 1: like that. So I think there's kind of a balance 984 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,360 Speaker 1: where you can get a higher ranked guy at a 985 00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,040 Speaker 1: certain position at number sixteen, or you can take a 986 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 1: lower ranks guy at a premium position. So I think 987 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 1: everything's in play. I mean, if you really think that 988 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 1: the running back is Christian McCaffrey, then it's worth it 989 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,479 Speaker 1: at number sixteen. But he's got to be that good 990 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 1: in order to make it make it worth the pick. 991 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,719 Speaker 1: So I think there'll be a lot of choices they 992 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 1: can make. But me personally, I look at it as 993 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,239 Speaker 1: corner wide out into your old line. Maybe tight end 994 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,200 Speaker 1: those spots make sense to me. I agree that once 995 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: you get to sixteen, I mean I think once you 996 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,319 Speaker 1: get past twelve or thirteen, especially, you're you're you're you've 997 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: opened up a lot of things. And that's the one 998 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,080 Speaker 1: good thing about picking a little bit lower is you 999 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,040 Speaker 1: I think you have more elbow room. The issue I 1000 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:44,759 Speaker 1: would have with picking h and again five years as 1001 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 1: an atternity in an eternity in the NFL, But the 1002 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,279 Speaker 1: issue I have with picking and running back in the 1003 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 1: first round is there we're getting to the point where 1004 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,719 Speaker 1: it's so unlikely, uh that you're going to give some 1005 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,800 Speaker 1: big second contract to a running back. It just doesn't 1006 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,319 Speaker 1: happen because, quite frankly, the ones that are given out 1007 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,200 Speaker 1: end up fizzling for one reason or another. We'll see 1008 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,799 Speaker 1: what happens with Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry had a nice 1009 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,000 Speaker 1: year this year, but if he flames out next year 1010 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,279 Speaker 1: because he starts getting beat up or whatever, it was 1011 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,320 Speaker 1: it worth it. And if you take a guy in 1012 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,520 Speaker 1: the first round, I mean, to me, and I know 1013 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,800 Speaker 1: this is a sore subject with a lot of Cardinals fans, 1014 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,759 Speaker 1: you want your first round pick to be somebody who 1015 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,600 Speaker 1: you feel like once he gets to a second contract, 1016 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,799 Speaker 1: you're feeling good about it. And I just feel like, 1017 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,759 Speaker 1: even if you're if you take a running back and 1018 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 1: he does really well for four years, how comfortable are 1019 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,239 Speaker 1: you going to be giving him a second contract even 1020 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,160 Speaker 1: if he was really good those four years? You know? 1021 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 1: And DJ Humphries is probably a good example where you 1022 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,920 Speaker 1: took a shot at a left tackle late in the 1023 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,320 Speaker 1: first round and it didn't work for a couple of 1024 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,760 Speaker 1: years as he kind of took his time. But now, 1025 00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a very valuable player at a very 1026 00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,839 Speaker 1: premium position, So it really worked out where you're more 1027 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,840 Speaker 1: swinging for the fences when you go for those premium positions. 1028 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,399 Speaker 1: But look at a guy like Humphreys. Now you don't 1029 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 1: have a left tackle issue for the next few years, 1030 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 1: and that's a big deal, you know. Sixteen, Kyle, Uh, 1031 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think I missed that in there. 1032 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,360 Speaker 1: You know, my uh, my preference for a middle linebacker 1033 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,279 Speaker 1: sort of the heartbeat at the defense. I mean, you 1034 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 1: know Patrick Willis, of Bobby Wagner, Fred Warner, at Darius Leonard, 1035 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,759 Speaker 1: one of those kind of guys at sixteen. Overall, I 1036 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,200 Speaker 1: could see that, can't you, Guys? I could definitely see 1037 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,160 Speaker 1: that position and that guy being there at that point 1038 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,240 Speaker 1: in the first round. Maybe it's funny though, the guys 1039 00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,839 Speaker 1: you just mentioned, I mean, Patrick Willis was a first 1040 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 1: round pick. Leonard wasn't. Oh he was high, second round, 1041 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:51,080 Speaker 1: Wagner wasn't. Nope, uh, third round, Fred Warner was. Yeah. 1042 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,400 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if that guy, if that Luke Keekley 1043 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,520 Speaker 1: type now Luke top ten, right, if that guy is 1044 00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,080 Speaker 1: there still at sixteen, absolutely I'm pulling the trigger on 1045 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,040 Speaker 1: that guy. So I'm okay with that. But but again, 1046 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,399 Speaker 1: when you're saying is the Luke Keikley there. Um, that's 1047 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 1: because Luke Keikley became Luke Keikley. Now they were right. 1048 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,320 Speaker 1: But if you take that guy and he doesn't, I mean, hell, 1049 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,359 Speaker 1: if Luke Keikley is there at ten, you're taking him moment. 1050 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,520 Speaker 1: The thing is is you have there. There is still 1051 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,759 Speaker 1: that unknown no matter who you take, no matter what 1052 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,000 Speaker 1: position it is, we're still talking a relative crack sheet. 1053 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,800 Speaker 1: Just make sure he wasn't an edge rusher in college. 1054 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,200 Speaker 1: That's all. That's all I ask before you take that 1055 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 1: inside line. By the way, speaking of pulling the trigger. Um, 1056 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,080 Speaker 1: now we get to find out when our Jim Alma 1057 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,279 Speaker 1: Hunter goes back and post this where he's gonna put 1058 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,879 Speaker 1: the slime cannons? Did you mentally make a few metal 1059 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,440 Speaker 1: notes during this edition of Cardinals Underground brought to you 1060 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,279 Speaker 1: by a Pacific Office Automation prop partner of the Arizona Cardinals, Kyle, 1061 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,919 Speaker 1: Where are a few mental notes? Good? A good fit 1062 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,319 Speaker 1: along the line somewhere in Cardinals Underground where the slime 1063 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,040 Speaker 1: cannons would have worked really well? Yeah, right now, I've 1064 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 1: got you slime sick times during this podcast. We'll see 1065 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 1: if you say anything else slime worthy. But yeah, I 1066 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,360 Speaker 1: got him all marked down right here for you, buddy. 1067 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,640 Speaker 1: Is that why you're wearing the beanie there, Paul, because 1068 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,680 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get slammed? Well, no, because it's 1069 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,840 Speaker 1: under sixty degrees in Arizona, so obviously I'm wearing the 1070 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,960 Speaker 1: winter weather. That's why you know. So, And yeah, I 1071 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,400 Speaker 1: have down here. I just got a text from that. 1072 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,920 Speaker 1: The he doubles slimy when I said, PAULI perennial unit, 1073 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,759 Speaker 1: because apparently you guys or the nicknames, I guess what 1074 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,359 Speaker 1: you know in a tacit way. That's my takeaway from 1075 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,400 Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinal's Underground