WEBVTT - Ep. 26: Carl Weathers Goes to Cabela’s

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<v Speaker 1>He's also not wearing socks inside those work boots because

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<v Speaker 1>he used his socks to wipe his ASTs. She literally

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<v Speaker 1>looked like she was gonna have a heart attack because

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<v Speaker 1>this was her prize little poodle. If I had used

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<v Speaker 1>my tenants ager, you're Vexilla would be gone. I live

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington State and we have hogs for steel head.

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<v Speaker 1>I catched them all the time and avoid game officers

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<v Speaker 1>while I take a picture of them and put them back.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome to Bent, the fishing

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that cooked up a story and dropped the six

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<v Speaker 1>of you in a meat grinder, leaving you wondering what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to it because it used to be a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>you could trust when asking for detailed directions to phishing spots.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Joe Surmelie Miles, I'm Miles multi was was that

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<v Speaker 1>a Was that a predator reference? Yes? It was, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, yeah, a predator, and it was an obscure

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<v Speaker 1>one because really it's just my my roundabout way say.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my roundabout way of saying. The theme for this

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<v Speaker 1>week's show is Carl Weathers. So the theme I'll all right,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, you're through me? But the theme sounds it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds a little questionable, and as was the Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of I mean, no more questionable than the reference

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<v Speaker 1>you started with. But you know what, dude, I'll play good.

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<v Speaker 1>Come down. I'm just thinking about this now. I would

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<v Speaker 1>say though, that for the record, uh, I probably would

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<v Speaker 1>have skipped a Saturday Night Live clip that you that

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<v Speaker 1>you started with. I think I would have used this

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<v Speaker 1>one instead. His name is Carl Weathers, and he's my

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<v Speaker 1>new acting teacher and Lindsey, he's teaching me all these

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<v Speaker 1>valuable life lessons. Okay, touche touche. I love I love

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<v Speaker 1>I love the arrested development angle you took their Uh

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<v Speaker 1>so does this? Does this mean you're in this? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do a Carl Weathers show because I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to. I want to clarify something to our listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we don't think about this ship weeks in advance.

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<v Speaker 1>Often the theme like it's like sometimes hours before we

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<v Speaker 1>record it. So this is not some it was. I

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<v Speaker 1>was putting this together and I was like, Carl Weathers,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the theme, dude, Like I said, I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>if nothing else, I'm like, I'm very very invested in

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<v Speaker 1>seeing exactly how how you're gonna go about trying to

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<v Speaker 1>pull this one together. So yeah, I mean I take

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<v Speaker 1>that as a compliment from you, man, I feel we

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<v Speaker 1>can both appreciate the challenge of loosely based on a

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<v Speaker 1>fishing podcast episode on like a rated out eighties movie star,

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<v Speaker 1>what could possibly go wrong? Maybe this was such a

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<v Speaker 1>good afternoon. You know, I respect a writing challenge and

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<v Speaker 1>a feat such as this, And I wish you nothing

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<v Speaker 1>but luck. But before even let you really get started,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna sidetrack you because that's what we do to

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<v Speaker 1>each other. And uh, and I'm gonna tell you that

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<v Speaker 1>a story. I once had a neighbor, like when I

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<v Speaker 1>was in my twenties, and and this neighbor had a

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Retriever named Action Jackson. Oh no ship cool? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>true story and so Action Jackson of course being the

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<v Speaker 1>cult classic. Carl Weather's film from that is so over

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<v Speaker 1>the top. It's like it's almost a parody of the

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<v Speaker 1>genre of the action movie. It's it's so bad it's good. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know it's good, but it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you, that was when action movies peaked and then

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<v Speaker 1>went over the top. And that's the clip that we

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<v Speaker 1>just played also came from that movie, for the record,

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, I personally have always thought that Action Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>might have been the best dog name. It's good. It's

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<v Speaker 1>up there. Particularly was like this huge golden retriever that

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<v Speaker 1>was always standing in the backyard barking at people. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you have the perfect name. And and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna point out that I might be foreshadowing

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<v Speaker 1>some things. You're gonna bring it later. I say, what

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<v Speaker 1>you did there, that is good. Um, but look, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need luck. I'm going to Caral Weathers episode here today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's done. It might not be good, but it's done.

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<v Speaker 1>We're committed anyway, I will. It's happen. It's happened. It's happening. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>If if I had to peg a real theme, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a sub theme, like a Subcarl Weathers theme this week's show,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it could be perseverance, which that hearkens us

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<v Speaker 1>back to that old weekly word of yours perseverate. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was I liked that one. Though you were not

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<v Speaker 1>such a fan when I first I remember I first recorded.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what do you think You're like so sure?

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm glad. I'm glad to hear that you came

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<v Speaker 1>around on that one. Final you admit that I was right.

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<v Speaker 1>I have, I have, but probably because it just suits

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<v Speaker 1>my own needs this week. So you know, um, this

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<v Speaker 1>week you're gonna have to persevere through a few more

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<v Speaker 1>caral weathers references, whether you like them or not. The

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<v Speaker 1>smell of rank coolers, that's something else. What else? We got?

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<v Speaker 1>A lure that might cause permanent ligament damage in your shoulders,

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<v Speaker 1>and the stereotypical inshore cabella shopper are all things. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>we got we got things coming. Uh. Before we get there, though,

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<v Speaker 1>you will have to persevere for through one of the

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<v Speaker 1>thing we're leading off with a I don't know, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>I never don't to describe a most unhumble that's good

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<v Speaker 1>yet phenomenal angler, particularly when it comes to walleye or

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<v Speaker 1>anything in the great legs. Uh. You know, I would

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<v Speaker 1>go so far as to call to call Ross arrogant.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think that's fair. He's an arrogant man,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know, could that's a quality you might want

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<v Speaker 1>a fishing guide. I'll say that too. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's good. I want to like if if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>hiring the guy, I want the guy who's like overconfident

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<v Speaker 1>that we're gonna catch fish, not the guy who's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe true. That's a good Yeah, you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right. So anyway, Ross Ross Roberts is back this

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<v Speaker 1>week for the Smooth Moves segment. Uh our our favorite

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<v Speaker 1>time to let guides and captains tell humorous stories or

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<v Speaker 1>just bitch about things. Clients do whatever they feel like

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<v Speaker 1>telling us, and Ross is gonna tell us about his

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<v Speaker 1>favorite cocktail recipe that Mary's Whiskey before sun up with

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<v Speaker 1>lap dogs and atrial fibrillation. Why joining us today on

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<v Speaker 1>Smooth Moves one of my all time favorite people. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a bold statement. I know, I know I'm seeing him

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<v Speaker 1>on a screen right now in the look of shock,

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<v Speaker 1>Captain Ross robertson bid water fishing. How are you my friend? Friend?

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<v Speaker 1>One of I mean right now, I'm just overwhelmed. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I feel overwhelmed because you showed up wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a hat that says smooth Moves. Yeah, that is like,

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<v Speaker 1>did you do was there was that thought through or

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<v Speaker 1>just a complete accident? I mean, you know, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>a human train wreck. So probably not, but I mean

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<v Speaker 1>smooth new suspension seats. I mean, seriously, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I like it so much I'll let you plug the

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<v Speaker 1>sponsor because I'm like, man, he sat down with this.

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<v Speaker 1>This reminds me of the time I four show to

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<v Speaker 1>where I had that says get over yourself. You remember

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<v Speaker 1>that that was good too anyway, Um, so I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>saying that's brand in more ways than one. But yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have no problem with it. People. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just funny like people think me and you hate each other.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny. It is true when I mean just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I can tolerate you. Is the thing you said,

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<v Speaker 1>my semi tolerable friend, because I remember things too. I've

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<v Speaker 1>referred to you as that many times, my semi tolerable friend,

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<v Speaker 1>Ross Robertson, semi tolerable friend, Ross Robertson. Do remind the

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<v Speaker 1>listeners how many years you've got in now guiding for

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<v Speaker 1>the Wally's there on LA. You know, I don't know exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's either twenty one or twenty two. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very excited to finally get a smooth move story from you,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know there's many I've I've heard many, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but you got one shot, so hit us with the

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<v Speaker 1>best man. What do you got? I got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them. Of some of them we probably couldn't talk

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<v Speaker 1>on here because you guys are not PC. But let's

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<v Speaker 1>just be honest. Some of these things ain't meant for

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere or even a kid record by. But when people

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<v Speaker 1>are drinking in the boat, it's a no go for me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'll drink one or a dozen with you,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm late down. You know, that's just a no go.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm out there fishing and I get a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that I realized from somehow from time we took off

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<v Speaker 1>till the time we basically set up. This dude is

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<v Speaker 1>hitting a flask and he is snookered. So I basically

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<v Speaker 1>canceled the day. Said kind of make a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of an excuse up just to you know, so you cut,

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<v Speaker 1>you cut your day. He was bad enough, like, because

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this dude is he almost knocks me out

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<v Speaker 1>of the boat. Soon as we're getting ready to set

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<v Speaker 1>up a batch. It's a game over, like this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is a bad deal. I'm sure my insurance guys

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<v Speaker 1>cringing right now. So anyhow, I've burned them back in

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<v Speaker 1>and it was middle of the week, and so there's

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<v Speaker 1>like nobody really around where tie tie up at the dock.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on a river. Kind of useful innovation for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>So I literally run to get my truck. I turned

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<v Speaker 1>around and look, and this guy's like, I can heat

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not that far away. He is untying the

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<v Speaker 1>ropes and he's like, oh clear. And the boat is

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<v Speaker 1>now like banging and spiking down this river. Thankfully, there's

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<v Speaker 1>tied you from the dog of the ram on a river.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's not good any place, but it's really bad

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<v Speaker 1>and river, and it's also middle of the week. There's

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<v Speaker 1>nobody around, Like I try to use launches where there's

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<v Speaker 1>nobody around, right, So fortunately there's a courtesy doctor's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say a hundred and some feet long. I literally run.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was like a movie deal. I run

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<v Speaker 1>like fest jump on the boat, literally almost breaking rods

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<v Speaker 1>in the front deck. I get in the thing, get

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<v Speaker 1>it under power, and tie it back up. As you

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine, mega mega kissed at this point and about

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<v Speaker 1>really done with life. So the other guy who is

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<v Speaker 1>not snuckered, who's one of my regular guys and still

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<v Speaker 1>fishes with me. He's like, already know, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>just he's just he knows I'm about ready to go

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<v Speaker 1>eight mode on this deal. So so now I get it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I tell him, hey, listen, meet me on top

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<v Speaker 1>of parking lot. We're gonna get your stuff out of

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<v Speaker 1>the boat. I'm going home. Game over here. They're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to take me to breakfast, lunch or whatever. I'm like done,

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<v Speaker 1>pay me world, I'm because I don't want to go

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<v Speaker 1>to jail. I'm gonna go home instead. So on the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the deal here, I'm waiting. I can't find

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see him. I don't see him, and now

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<v Speaker 1>where he had to park with down a hundred yards

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<v Speaker 1>away or something like that, and I'm looking, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>see him, and I won't see him coming. So I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>screw it. I'm gonna drive my boat and truck in

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<v Speaker 1>the car parking which is you know, there's barely there's

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<v Speaker 1>not really a room turn around to do any of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm just like done over with this. So I

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<v Speaker 1>drive down there and there's a little car in front

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<v Speaker 1>of me, which I almost go ape shut on, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I realized it's like some eight year old husband

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<v Speaker 1>and wife. And I realized then that the wife is

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<v Speaker 1>out and she's standing in front of a car. So

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<v Speaker 1>I get out now, and I'm in a place it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a semi in a you know, in a school

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<v Speaker 1>parking lot, Like, I mean, this is logistically, this doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>all work. And I look out and this woman it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like she's having a heart attack. She has just

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<v Speaker 1>like got her hand over. What's going on? Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>look down and here's my dude laying flat on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground in front of their car. And I'm like, did

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<v Speaker 1>he get smoked? Did by the car? I mean, what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on? And then I realized, like he's got this

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<v Speaker 1>thing and he sits up and he's petting this dog.

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<v Speaker 1>But all you can see is of rufus. Here is

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<v Speaker 1>just this little tiny it looks like a lollipop in

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<v Speaker 1>him because he's his arms are so big, he's like

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<v Speaker 1>landing in it. From from my absolutely, he has this

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<v Speaker 1>dog in a death grip but doesn't even realize it

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<v Speaker 1>because he's that snickered, right, And this woman is like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god. And I've got to basically go up

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<v Speaker 1>there and be like, dude, let you let go of

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<v Speaker 1>that dog, for I kick you and your dome and

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<v Speaker 1>because this guy could kick the ship out all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he's he's a big Yeah. Well hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on, I gotta I gotta check. Was the dog okay? Yeah? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Evan a rufus apparently. I mean, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do a vet check or anything out. But he went home.

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<v Speaker 1>He got in the car with a nice little old lady.

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<v Speaker 1>She did not have a heart attack. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>was probably the biggest thing in this whole deal, because

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<v Speaker 1>she literally looked like she was gonna have a heart

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<v Speaker 1>attack because this was her prize little poodle. I gotta say, man,

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<v Speaker 1>for all the ways that this story could have gone,

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<v Speaker 1>it really ended as well as it could. You You

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<v Speaker 1>you did the track star sprint and and leap dit

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<v Speaker 1>your boat back, didn't take anybody out in the parking lot,

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<v Speaker 1>the lady old lady didn't die, and the dog was okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And best of all, you didn't get into fisticuffs with

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<v Speaker 1>your client. I really couldn't have seen this ending any

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<v Speaker 1>other way that that was positive. So I'd say that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I like. Positive stuff. I mean, there are a

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<v Speaker 1>few that might do you ensued positivity. Huh, yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>there's a few, but my my lawyer and my insurance

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<v Speaker 1>agent suggested we not talk about it. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that this is good. So just in

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<v Speaker 1>case that one shook you to the core, in case

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<v Speaker 1>you were on the edge of your seat worrying about

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<v Speaker 1>the well being Rufous the poodle. Just in case I

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<v Speaker 1>was a messed up story. Maybe it was. It was,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's heal. Here's Carl Weathers to sing you back

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<v Speaker 1>to a happy place. What about a rain Have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever noted you're feeling aside when a rainbows sky. I

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<v Speaker 1>do not feel healed. I do not feel put back together.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not feel suit like of dude, of all

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<v Speaker 1>the Carl Weather's clips, like you could have gone Rocky,

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<v Speaker 1>you could have gone Predator, you could have gone Happy Gilmore,

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<v Speaker 1>Hurricane Smith, and and you went with that. That was

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<v Speaker 1>where you went. You know why? Because I stumbled onto

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<v Speaker 1>it accidentally. And just first of all, we don't give

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<v Speaker 1>enough credit to nineties SNL monologues, and just just based

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<v Speaker 1>on watching Carl's nineties SML monologue, I'm sure that was

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<v Speaker 1>a horrible episode of the show, Like it was a

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<v Speaker 1>terrible monologue. I feel like they might have been hard

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<v Speaker 1>up for people at the time, but I love the

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<v Speaker 1>obscurity of it. That's why I chosen and and that's

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<v Speaker 1>where I have to I do have to give you credit,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm giving you full points for not being obvious.

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<v Speaker 1>That was not where I would have gone at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And credit there, And you know what, I'm I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>thank you because you kind of teach me up. Because

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<v Speaker 1>the book that I'm gonna drop in this week's installment

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<v Speaker 1>of Freaking Philistines is also not the obvious choice, though

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<v Speaker 1>it is one of the best essay collections I've read

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<v Speaker 1>in a long time. What's a fast team. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who doesn't care about books or interesting films and

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<v Speaker 1>things and unfast team. I love a good essay collection.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like the tinder of literature. Reading a

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<v Speaker 1>single essay doesn't require much commitment. You can grab a

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<v Speaker 1>cup of coffee, share a few minutes of conversation, and

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<v Speaker 1>then get on with your day. Or maybe you're having

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<v Speaker 1>a good time coffee turns into lunch and you set

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<v Speaker 1>the book aside after several hours, already looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>the next date or coffee rolls into lunch, after which

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<v Speaker 1>you lose track of time completely. Take the book to

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<v Speaker 1>bed with you and devour the whole thing. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>options good chance. I'll review many essay collections, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>starting out with one that's kind of underground Fish Like

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<v Speaker 1>You Mean It by David Zobe. I'll be the first

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<v Speaker 1>to admit that the title leaves something to be desired,

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<v Speaker 1>and the copy could have used a more stringent editor.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you can set those two criticisms aside, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to experience one of the best fishing books you've

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<v Speaker 1>never heard of. The book spans most of Zobie's life,

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<v Speaker 1>a series of vignettes, held together by two strands, fishing

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<v Speaker 1>and the attendant strange characters he attracts, from his Lebanese

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<v Speaker 1>family on the Virginia Coast to his contemporary itinerant ramblings

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<v Speaker 1>in Homer, Alaska. Zobi collects a cast of people too

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<v Speaker 1>eclectic to be entirely fictional, and fishing tales too humble

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<v Speaker 1>to be made up. That humility is really my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of Zobie's writing. Too many authors, especially those of us,

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<v Speaker 1>who write about conquest pursuits like fishing and hunting, use

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<v Speaker 1>the space between covers to argue their dominance or show

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<v Speaker 1>off superior skill. You'll find none of that here. Mostly

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find a person trying to make sense of his

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<v Speaker 1>own major tragedies and minor successes through fishing. His family's

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<v Speaker 1>immigrant shame, the decay of his hometown after the closing

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<v Speaker 1>of shipyards, the sting of giving away fishing secrets to

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<v Speaker 1>sell tackle, a disappointing career, a doomed relationship, a series

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<v Speaker 1>of canine companions that just never lasts long enough. It

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<v Speaker 1>sounds depressing, I know, but it's not. Zobe gets his

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<v Speaker 1>readers through all that heaviness the same way he gets

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<v Speaker 1>through it exceptional fishing stories featuring fascinating supporting characters, though

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<v Speaker 1>to be fair, he throws in some great duck hunting

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<v Speaker 1>stories too. Every time the narrative starts to feel like

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<v Speaker 1>really sad, you're transported to a wyoming river or an

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<v Speaker 1>Alaskan beach with a rod in your hands and a

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<v Speaker 1>dog at your heels, waiting to chase salmon or trout

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<v Speaker 1>or seals or sticks. Anyone who has ever felt fishing

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<v Speaker 1>become escapism and perhaps wondered at what point it tips

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<v Speaker 1>from being a healthy outdoor pursuit to a self destructive

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<v Speaker 1>avoidance tactic will relate to this book, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>all deep water naval gazing. Zobe also turns his razored

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<v Speaker 1>critiques outward from time to time, as in this section

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<v Speaker 1>of an essay titled at the Cabella's. The story of

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<v Speaker 1>Cabella's is one of the true rags to riches tails

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<v Speaker 1>woven into the fabric of Americana. In Dick Cabella was

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<v Speaker 1>working at his parents furniture store in Nebraska when he

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<v Speaker 1>accompanied his father in Chicago with a purpose to buy

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<v Speaker 1>more inventory in a water damage warehouse. He stumbled upon

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<v Speaker 1>some cheap hand tiede flies from Japan. He knew they

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<v Speaker 1>were too cheap to pass up, so he bought several thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>His first ad ran in the Casper Tribune. Only one

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<v Speaker 1>person answered. His next ad ran in Field and Stream.

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<v Speaker 1>It read five hand tied fishing flies free postage. In

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<v Speaker 1>handling this ad did the trick, Dick and Mary Cabella

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<v Speaker 1>spent their free time filling out orders on their kitchen table.

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<v Speaker 1>They collected the names and addresses of their first customers

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<v Speaker 1>on recipe cards and sent them future offers. Regrettably, these

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<v Speaker 1>were the first catalogs, the birth of a revolution. The

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<v Speaker 1>flies in the postage to send them back to customers

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<v Speaker 1>only cost the Cabella's fourteen cents, so they made a

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<v Speaker 1>profit of eleven cents on each order they filled. There

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<v Speaker 1>really were no free flies. There never were. This was

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<v Speaker 1>the humble beginning of America's biggest outdoor gear company, the

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<v Speaker 1>world's foremost outfitter we know today. While wandering around in

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<v Speaker 1>search of the canine department, I found an Alaskan moose.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a full body mountain. His paddles were the

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<v Speaker 1>color of maple syrup. The hide seemed large enough to

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<v Speaker 1>project a movie on his flanks. He was standing in

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<v Speaker 1>a tumbling stream beside faue bowls, and to my amazement,

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<v Speaker 1>there were actual rainbow trout in the stream, weaving in

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<v Speaker 1>and out of the moose's spindly legs. I peered over

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<v Speaker 1>what passed is a beaver dam and looked down at

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<v Speaker 1>the fish. They were large for rainbows, some of them

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<v Speaker 1>pushing twenty inches or so, the kind of fish you

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<v Speaker 1>catch on the North plattin March if you can stand

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<v Speaker 1>the wind and the cold, the tannic smell of the creek,

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<v Speaker 1>the raw exposed. Scent of rot and fish struck me

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<v Speaker 1>as original. A large man grazing on peanut brittle he

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<v Speaker 1>had just purchased, leaned over beside me and looked down too.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are some niceens, he said. A bit of brittle

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<v Speaker 1>fell from his mouth, and the trout scrambled for it.

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<v Speaker 1>The spell was broken, just like that. But that is

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<v Speaker 1>the danger of semilacra. The experience itself. Just walking into

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<v Speaker 1>the store has become the outing the goal. Going to

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<v Speaker 1>the Cabella's replaces the need to climb mountain er find

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<v Speaker 1>a grossbeak in your binoculars. A trip to Cabella's, any Cabella's,

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<v Speaker 1>does not ask that you risk squitoes or a night

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<v Speaker 1>on the uncomfortable ground. It only asked that you shop

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<v Speaker 1>drowsy lee impulsively. It asks that you sign up for

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<v Speaker 1>the instore newsletter, a Cabella's credit card. It asks that

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<v Speaker 1>you fill your cards in your arms with products, that

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<v Speaker 1>you haul them away happily and contented, as if the

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<v Speaker 1>adventure is within these vaultage showrooms, not some other place without.

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<v Speaker 1>You won't find this book at your local bookstore, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>so you'll have to turn to the Cabella's of the

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<v Speaker 1>book world, good old Amazon to get a copy. Once

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<v Speaker 1>you get past that unpleasantness, though, I think you'll only

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<v Speaker 1>be disappointed when you find yourself staring at the back

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<v Speaker 1>cover wishing there was another essay to read. I gotta admit, no, Lie,

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<v Speaker 1>that book sounds incredible, and you you did pick the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect passage because I can relate to that so much,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's so terrible that he's right, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. Like, when the Cabella's first opened up out

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<v Speaker 1>here in Pennsylvania, people set up campers in the parking lot,

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<v Speaker 1>like they came for the weekend to the Cabella's instead

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<v Speaker 1>of filling the camper into the wild. Absolutely yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>every time I'd go out there, there'd be another restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>built up or another shopping center. It's just like all

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<v Speaker 1>these things sprouted around that, and you just come spend

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend at the Capella's. That's what she did. I

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<v Speaker 1>could never figure it out. Um kind of related. My

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<v Speaker 1>wife visited that Capella's with me exactly one time, and

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<v Speaker 1>her takeaway was that she had probably never walked through

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<v Speaker 1>as many fart clouds in a single day before. That

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<v Speaker 1>was what she took away from from Capella's well, Peanut

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<v Speaker 1>Bridle and hot dogs are not good for That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say. Um, and man like Dave nailed it on

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<v Speaker 1>that one. And and a full disclosure. Uh, he's someone

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<v Speaker 1>who I call an acquaintance. I think he's a really

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<v Speaker 1>good guy in addition to being a good writer. But

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<v Speaker 1>that is both a depressing and completely accurate passage and

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like one that that all of us sort

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<v Speaker 1>of as an outdoor community need to need to marry

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<v Speaker 1>it on for a minute. And all of you out

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<v Speaker 1>there should buy and read that book for sure. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just good. And Zobe, I think is a sorely

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<v Speaker 1>underrated writer. Um. I used to edit his stuff when

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<v Speaker 1>I've worked at Gray Sporting Journal, and it was like

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<v Speaker 1>one of those ones when I saw his name in

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<v Speaker 1>my email, I would I would know something good was

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<v Speaker 1>coming and I wasn't gonna want to beat my head

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<v Speaker 1>against the wall, and I always look forward to it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can see why, man, and you I gotta give

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<v Speaker 1>you credit. You are the king of finding like this,

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of underground dudes that write really really great stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a great example. Uh. Sadly though, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>probably never gonna read Fish like you mean it because

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't do well with dogs dying. Well, there's

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<v Speaker 1>not like I should clarify. It's not like a dramatic

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<v Speaker 1>dog death is a part of the book. It's just that,

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<v Speaker 1>like you see a series of dogs, like once he's

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<v Speaker 1>fishing with one dog, and then the next story it's

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<v Speaker 1>a different dog, and you know, like, okay, so it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't tall he doesn't detail that the dying of of dogs. No,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not like situation. I may read it now

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<v Speaker 1>that I know that, Okay, because I can't do dogs. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I can watch Carl Well his arm get torn off

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<v Speaker 1>and feel nothing. But dogs dying is my kryptonite. So

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully you've not conjured any kryptonite that will block me

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<v Speaker 1>from emerging victorious in this week's current Events battle. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>do some fish News. Fish New escalated quickly. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>I just have one very tiny baby shout out this week.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I have to do this. Remember last week

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<v Speaker 1>we did the awkward moments in angling with Alex Reid

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<v Speaker 1>as a young boy, and he was he was I

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<v Speaker 1>can't forget he was posing with the blue girl after

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<v Speaker 1>just having pissed his pants. He wrote in after last

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<v Speaker 1>week's show. To just let me know that that same

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<v Speaker 1>exact day, he also took his first dump in the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>So in that photo that we ran, he's also not

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<v Speaker 1>wearing sock inside those work boots, those little work boots,

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<v Speaker 1>because he used his socks to wipe his ass. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's like a little to the pea pants awkward photo.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I got. I'm like, I have to, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to that that need the world needs to hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>So that Alex. Alex had no idea what he was

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<v Speaker 1>getting into when he allowed us into his personal history. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but he loved it. He's like, thanks for the five

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<v Speaker 1>minutes of fame. Also, I ship in the woods and

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<v Speaker 1>white white my ass with my socks. So he just

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<v Speaker 1>he fed that. He didn't have to, he didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to offer that up, but he did appreciate it. Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>the dude is a mass kist. I'm not gonna Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't have any housekeeping after that. It's we've we've

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<v Speaker 1>we've soiled the whole segment. Oh but I'm bump. We

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<v Speaker 1>are going to do news just a little differently this week.

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:49.000
<v Speaker 1>We're not We're not like totally stepping out. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>feel familiar, but we're gonna we're gonna switch it up

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. So Joe and I were each gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do just one single story and then after that we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna bring in a special guest who's who's going to

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<v Speaker 1>cover a more in depth piece of news for us.

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<v Speaker 1>And and and that's a that's that's a piece of news

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<v Speaker 1>that neither Joe nor I wanted to have any personal

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<v Speaker 1>involvement with whatsoever, for reasons that will become clear when

0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:13.000
<v Speaker 1>you hear it. Just so you know, it's a little

0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 1>change up, but we we consider doing this more. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not bad to have have somebody on every once in

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<v Speaker 1>a while, So we're trying something here to try to

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<v Speaker 1>people who know more than we um so. But despite

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<v Speaker 1>all that, despite the changes, this is still a competition,

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<v Speaker 1>and neither Joe nor I know what the other ones

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<v Speaker 1>bringing to the table. And at the end, our illustrious

0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 1>audio engineer Phil will pick a winner. Just this week,

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<v Speaker 1>he'll have three options instead of and uh, and Joe,

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.119
<v Speaker 1>you got the lead off this week, but you only

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<v Speaker 1>have one shot at it, one shot, so you better

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<v Speaker 1>you better be bringing the goods man. Yeah, well, I

0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I hope you know it's one of the way like

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<v Speaker 1>is not amazing, but the talking points after the debate

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:54.440
<v Speaker 1>it brings up I think is good um and something

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:56.720
<v Speaker 1>everybody can get behind. So this is from for the

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<v Speaker 1>wind dot com that's part of USA Today headline angler

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<v Speaker 1>breaks fifty year old catfish record, catch stirs controversy. So

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<v Speaker 1>what happened here? Back in September, North Carolina angler John

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<v Speaker 1>Stone caught himself a twenty three pound, five ounce channel

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<v Speaker 1>cat which that's a big that's a that is a

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<v Speaker 1>large channel catfish. I mean, I don't I don't care

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<v Speaker 1>who you are. Twenty three pounds five ounces is a

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<v Speaker 1>really good fish. And he filled out all the proper

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<v Speaker 1>paperwork and submitted it for state record. Now here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The previous record was twenty three pounds four ounces and

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<v Speaker 1>it has stood since nineteen seventy alright, so fifty years.

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<v Speaker 1>But late this January, the North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission

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<v Speaker 1>certified Stones catch. And here's the fun part. Not only

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<v Speaker 1>has it beaten the fifty year record by a mere ounce,

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<v Speaker 1>it was caught in a private pond and as you

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<v Speaker 1>might have, meat and people are going ballistic over this,

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 1>especially since that previous fifty year record came from a

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<v Speaker 1>public lake. So when, uh, when n CWR posted a

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<v Speaker 1>photo and announced the certification on its Facebook page, all

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 1>hell broke loose in the comments. And while I mean

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:21.879
<v Speaker 1>some were supportive, you know, some were supportive, but most

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<v Speaker 1>of the men are calling it out as as straight

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<v Speaker 1>up cheating, claiming, you know, Stone grew the fish, calling

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<v Speaker 1>it a farm catfish, and so on and so forth.

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Now it's a little a little more here to add

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:37.400
<v Speaker 1>another layer of drama. Another story on a different site

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 1>about this catch notes that Stone is an at large

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 1>wildlife commissioner, so people are even more piste off that

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<v Speaker 1>he'd even try and have this certified because of that position.

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<v Speaker 1>And um, I I looked at all the stories related

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<v Speaker 1>to this that that popped up in the news feed,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't seem to find one where Stone is

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<v Speaker 1>quoted or defending himself or anything like that. But frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>if you really stop, he doesn't need to write because

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of how you feel, North Carolina certifies fish from

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.200
<v Speaker 1>private water. You know, you might not like it, but

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:16.159
<v Speaker 1>there's there's no shadiness or wrongdoing on on their end

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:17.959
<v Speaker 1>as far as they're concerned. They don't care what kind

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 1>of water it came out of. Um, you know, And

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, I certainly understand the frustration here. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>but I also think it's fair to say there are

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<v Speaker 1>so many details that we don't know, so it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to make a legit judgment call. I mean, just

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<v Speaker 1>as an example, right, if in fact Stone has been

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<v Speaker 1>hand feeding this cat for years in a private pond,

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<v Speaker 1>essentially growing it, Yeah, that's totally lame and stupid. But

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<v Speaker 1>nobody has made an official claim of that yet. Now

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<v Speaker 1>on the flip side, a lot of people have private water,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of them, right, So if I bought property with

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<v Speaker 1>a pond on it and it coughed up, say a

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>state record bass, why would that not count. I haven't

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>manipul layd those fish or fed them. It was just there.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was an old farm pond that's been there

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<v Speaker 1>since that was farmland. And now I bought my McMansion

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<v Speaker 1>in North Carolina, there's a huge bass in there. But

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<v Speaker 1>what people are saying is that it's not right to

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<v Speaker 1>claim a record from water that not everyone can access.

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>And that's certainly a very gray area, and there's no

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:24.680
<v Speaker 1>battle here. It's basically just people spouting off. But it's

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.280
<v Speaker 1>it's a gray area at least in terms of legality, ethically,

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<v Speaker 1>different story based on the case, right, and just to

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 1>to put a personal touch on it. For years, I

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<v Speaker 1>belong to a private trout club in North Jersey and

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<v Speaker 1>the fish there, I mean, dude, we fed them with

0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 1>automatic deer feeders, just spit out the food right to

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<v Speaker 1>keep them in the stret private, privately stocked, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was what it was. I used to call it the

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 1>land of make believe, and it was like somewhere to

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<v Speaker 1>get your jollys in the middle of winter. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>fairly confident I broke the new Jersey state brook trout

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<v Speaker 1>record at least twice many years ago. Right now, technically,

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<v Speaker 1>technically I could have weighed that fish in and claim

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<v Speaker 1>that record, and honestly, in a way, it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been more legit maybe than a private pond fish, because

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<v Speaker 1>theoretically that fish was free to leave our private section

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 1>and stream and go wherever it wanted. The food kept

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 1>it there. But that fish could have went wherever it wanted,

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 1>and it could have easily ended up caught in a

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 1>public stretch of that same stream. But I've had I

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<v Speaker 1>would have literally beaten my own ass if I ever

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>even thought about doing that. It wasn't no, it wasn't

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>on a little you weren't you weren't part of that club,

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:37.959
<v Speaker 1>I hope. No, No, this is Jared Little Jay's Pennsylvania.

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 1>But sorry I heard no, No, this is North Jersey. No,

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 1>this is not the Little Jay tobaccle. But to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I was holding this fish, going got

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 1>what a lame loser move that would be. But it

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>would have counted. The state wouldn't have said you can't

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:53.880
<v Speaker 1>do that. And the irony in that um is if

0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 1>that fish did leave that stretch, our stretch and get

0:30:57.360 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>caught by some eight year old kid five miles down river,

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<v Speaker 1>I have been like, good for him, get that record,

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. So it's it's, uh, there's

0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 1>so much debate there. I get the frustration, but it's

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 1>hard to say. You know, it's the thing of the

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 1>reason that that it's that we're both kind of I think,

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<v Speaker 1>responding to this the same way as that we just

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 1>don't care that much about the record thing like that's

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 1>not that's not and I'm not trying to put this

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<v Speaker 1>out of the judgment on the people who do, because

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I get that a lot of people they augment their

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 1>enjoyment of fishing by putting particular goals on themselves and

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 1>and working through those with constraints, which is what all

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 1>records are all about. Right, Like this size fish on

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>this line, that's what makes it fun for me. Cool

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>you do that, That's not how I approach joy of fishing. Right,

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:48.280
<v Speaker 1>So this becomes like a pretty academic and kind of

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 1>well not told, entirely subjective debate. It was legal, he

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 1>can do it right? Right? Should he have done it? Now?

0:31:57.720 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Now there's there's where you can go around and round,

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 1>But can he do it? Absolutely? He did it. He

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 1>can so yeah, get over it if that makes bad

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>And you're right, if you really like peel the like

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 1>the layers away of why there's debate here for you

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 1>and I, you're correct. I don't give a damn about

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 1>record fish, like the only way I don't really care

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>about a state record fish. I'll even take a step further,

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna annoy some people that are listening to

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>this right now. But you know, a lot of fish

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:26.720
<v Speaker 1>just have citations too, like citation catches. I don't know

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 1>if that's the thing out west, but out here it's

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 1>like it's like in New Jersey as an example, it's

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 1>like they'll say, if you want a pickerel citation for

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 1>the year, the fish has to be over twenty three inches,

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>like they designate all these different fish, all these different lengths,

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and if you catch one and send him a photo,

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 1>like you get a citation to put on your wall.

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>There are people who have like hundreds of citations, like damn, dude,

0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:51.720
<v Speaker 1>you need that that bad, Like they post on facebooks like,

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:56.240
<v Speaker 1>huh another citation, white perch, Huh another side got for citation.

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Picke people still have all their like ribbons and trophies

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 1>from high cool sports. That's so like, dude, the citation,

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, that's like the bottom of the barrel. For

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>me to care about a record, it would have to

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 1>be something so mind blowing, like I would have to

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 1>catch the next world record stripe bass or something like

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 1>really covet something something storied. Yeah, mine class records. I'm sorry,

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't care. No, I mean, look, we talked about

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>that whole we dug into that culture when we reviewed

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Monty Burk's new book, and and so this also makes

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 1>me probably made me. Think of a previous book of

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>money Burks, which was Sowbelly, which was all about there's

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:32.960
<v Speaker 1>a whole chapter in there about the guy who's trying

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 1>to grow the world record large mouth bass, like intentionally

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>and with a lot of chemistry and science, like what

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 1>do you have your private pond for? I'm trying to

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 1>grow the record large mouth. Watch it grow and then

0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 1>catch it and break the record? Yep. Also legal, is

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>it anything I want anything to do with? No? Has

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 1>the guy ever succeeded? No? But now that's the that's

0:33:56.560 --> 0:34:00.080
<v Speaker 1>sort of the extreme extent that these things can and

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>go to. And unless we change the rules somewhere and

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>say like private ponds don't count, it only works on

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:09.319
<v Speaker 1>public water, then this debate continues to be just kind

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 1>of mood. You're not going to do that, right, you

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 1>know you're not gonna do that. So we don't really

0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 1>know the full story here, but um, either way, like,

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 1>when it comes down to it, he didn't do anything wrong,

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:21.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, so deal with it. You know, I think

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>it's lame, but deal with it. My my story actually

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:26.720
<v Speaker 1>ties into that because it's also about a large fish

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:31.279
<v Speaker 1>that will annoy the crap out of quite a few

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 1>people listening, uh so from from my news story this week,

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<v Speaker 1>we're checking in with Lakeville, Minnesota, and I just gotta say,

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<v Speaker 1>really quick, that's gotta be the most literal down name,

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 1>uh in the entire state. It's It's kind of like

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:46.959
<v Speaker 1>how they named my adopted home state Montana, which means

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:51.319
<v Speaker 1>mountains in Spanish. Or there's a down in Idaho called

0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Titonia that sits right in the shadow of the Grand Teton. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so this story comes to us from Northland Outdoors and

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>it comes by way of listener k lib prator or prator.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I'm butchering it, but either way, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you Caleb, thanks for for sending along. Before I get

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<v Speaker 1>into this, zo Joe, I feel like I have to

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<v Speaker 1>give you personally a trigger warning because the following story

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<v Speaker 1>may cause you extreme frustration, anger, envy, a general sense

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<v Speaker 1>that the world is a deeply, deeply unfair place. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you need to prepare yourself in some way to

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<v Speaker 1>receive the information I'm about to impart, do so now,

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<v Speaker 1>or just take off your headphones or whatever I do

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 1>for the next couple of minutes. Is it about like

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 1>clack Craft giving away a hundred boats for free to

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 1>people or something like. It's not it might be worse

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:38.879
<v Speaker 1>than that for you. So I mean, if you're gonna

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 1>stick around, just deep breathing, that's all I gotta say.

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:44.960
<v Speaker 1>So this story is about John, and I'm gonna there

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:46.800
<v Speaker 1>will be a lot of butchered last names here. Everybody,

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:49.440
<v Speaker 1>just deal with it, uh, The stories about John Kuznia

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>and his buddy Ben. Sorry on. John and Ben went

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 1>out ice fishing a couple of weeks ago on Lake Charlie,

0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 1>where John keeps a permanent ice house in the winter.

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 1>John owns a cabin on nearby Lake Ida, where he

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.560
<v Speaker 1>spends most weekends. These names are gonna be important later,

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 1>so so make notes. But he prefers to fish on

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 1>the smaller Lake Charlie. Okay, So John and Ben and

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Ben's dad Carl, got up nice and early and got

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 1>out of the ice house and and they're they're fishing

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:24.400
<v Speaker 1>over about sixteen ft of water, and by seven am

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 1>they were into a solid sunfish bite, just just having

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 1>a good time yard the mint and and they're you know,

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>they're small sunfish, but they're having fun. And after a

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 1>while they noticed some pike were staging around the panfish school,

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 1>and they started seeing pike take swipes at the hook

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 1>bluegills as they were bringing them up, you know, And

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:45.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, dude, like I know, you've been in this situation.

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Anybody else has been in this situation knows. It's a

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 1>pretty fun game. Oh yeah, it's a little it's like

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.799
<v Speaker 1>a video game. Yeah, it's definitely a little statistic, like

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 1>you hook you a little fish and then you're like, oh,

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I got one, I'm gonna let him swim around a

0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 1>little and see if the big pike wax out of

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>It's fun. It's fun, right, totally little dirty maybe, but

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:07.920
<v Speaker 1>fun so. And every once in a while, when you're

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 1>doing that with pike or other big big fish, a

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 1>pike will grab onto one and it won't let go.

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:16.319
<v Speaker 1>Or sometimes I've even seen them like fully inhale the

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.359
<v Speaker 1>smaller fish head first and then the spines get stuck

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 1>in their throat and then and now you're fighting this

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:23.799
<v Speaker 1>big pike on really light tackle. Yeah, it's just a

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 1>good time. It's just it's a good time. So that's

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:30.440
<v Speaker 1>what John and Ben were up to on this particular day,

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 1>and at some point John even managed landa a twenty

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:36.319
<v Speaker 1>seven pike, which I'm sure was super fun. So that's

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:38.319
<v Speaker 1>the scene that's going on. This is this is what's

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>happening in the ice house. And yet no, they're just

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:44.799
<v Speaker 1>they're just they're just having a nice morning ice fish

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 1>and playing god with the food chain, you know what's

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 1>going on. Then all of a sudden, there flasher starts

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>sliding across the floor of the ice house and luckily

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 1>it gets wedged in the hole. It's Ben's flasher. Ben

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 1>grabs grabs ahold of his flasher and he pulls it

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 1>back a little. And then he and John see a

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 1>huge fish hanging onto the transducer itself, just below the surface,

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:19.360
<v Speaker 1>and thinking quickly, Ben lifted up slowly on the transducer cable.

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:22.760
<v Speaker 1>The fish's head came up into the hole. John grabbed

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 1>it behind the gilt plate and pulled out a fifty

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 1>plus inch muskie on the transducer. M hm. After they

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 1>pulled it up, the fish continued to bite down on

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:39.799
<v Speaker 1>that transducer. Because the ad told told Northland Outdoors it

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:42.160
<v Speaker 1>was honestly a minute and a half before that thing

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 1>let go. I kind of tickled its mouth hoping it

0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>would open, and it didn't. So what I mean, it's

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:55.840
<v Speaker 1>a crazy story, but it's just it's so unfair to

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 1>all the people who have spent years of their lives

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:02.240
<v Speaker 1>work their butts off trying to catch a fifty musky.

0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:05.239
<v Speaker 1>It's so unfair. Now, I understand why you think this

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 1>would this would anger me so much, but frankly, it

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.759
<v Speaker 1>doesn't anger me at all, because this is this is

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 1>how this ship happens with muskies. Like, I'm convinced that

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 1>if I'm ever going to catch a fifty plus inch muski,

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:20.920
<v Speaker 1>if if that's ever gonna happen for me, chances are

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:23.319
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be a miracle because it's gonna bite some

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:26.359
<v Speaker 1>hot and tot or something that I'm throwing for small mouth.

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Well this so that's crazy enough as it is, but

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:33.040
<v Speaker 1>there's there's one more wrinkle that makes this even more

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 1>hard to believe true, but hard to believe so and

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:38.239
<v Speaker 1>possibly even more unfair, depending on how you want to

0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:40.719
<v Speaker 1>look at it. Because Lake Charlie, the little lake where

0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 1>they're fishing, it's not supposed to have muskies in it.

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 1>The DNR has never stocked muskies there. It does, however,

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 1>connect to larger Lake Ida, and you'll remember that's where

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>John has a cabin a small channel, but the d

0:39:57.040 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 1>n R has never stocked muskies in Lake Ida either.

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 1>They have stocked muskies in Lake Miltona, which connects to

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 1>the opposite side of Ida from Charlie. So I looked

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:16.360
<v Speaker 1>this up on Google Maps, and that fish, that fish

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:20.520
<v Speaker 1>made just a ridiculous journey because these are not like tiny,

0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:22.920
<v Speaker 1>little short channels where they connect right next to each other.

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:27.280
<v Speaker 1>We're talking like fifty to a thousand foot long, super small,

0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:30.680
<v Speaker 1>little skinny water channels, each of which cuts through a

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:34.000
<v Speaker 1>culvert under a county road. So this fish went on

0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 1>like a serious walk about to get there, only to

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:41.440
<v Speaker 1>be caught by biting and hanging onto a flasher transducer.

0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:45.480
<v Speaker 1>And if that story doesn't prove how cruel and callous

0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:49.720
<v Speaker 1>the fates of fishing are, I do not know what will. So. Okay,

0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 1>so a couple of things here, right. First of all,

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I hear you on the on the walk about, but

0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't really know what I'm talking about here. But

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure musky grow fair slowly. So fish that

0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 1>big it ain't young, right, So that part doesn't doesn't

0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:08.880
<v Speaker 1>freak me out, because if it's that big, it's had

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:11.680
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of time to get to where it

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:16.520
<v Speaker 1>ended up. Right. But here's the other thing. If this

0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 1>happened to me, say say I was the guy and

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 1>it bit the transducer and I pulled up this musky.

0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 1>While I would be like, holy sh it, I can't

0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:27.840
<v Speaker 1>believe that just happened. It would not count as my

0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 1>trophy musky. And I'm not I'm not saying that to

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:34.279
<v Speaker 1>take away anything from these guys, but more in the

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:36.799
<v Speaker 1>sense of, like, well, yeah, every once in a while,

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:39.200
<v Speaker 1>this goofy stuff happens, And here's this impossible fish to

0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:43.919
<v Speaker 1>catch chewing on a transducer, But like, that's still not

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 1>even catching one by accident on smallmouth tackle or something.

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:51.360
<v Speaker 1>It'd be awesome. I would love it, but I like,

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to catch my big muskie fishing for a

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 1>big musk. And you know, I don't think these guys

0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:59.480
<v Speaker 1>are claiming like a big musky. They're telling it because

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:02.439
<v Speaker 1>it's just crazy as story. And there's even one there's

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:05.040
<v Speaker 1>one final thing. I gotta say that I just love

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 1>how many things had to come together to make this happen.

0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:10.120
<v Speaker 1>So uh. In the past, John has used a ten

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:12.960
<v Speaker 1>inch auger to drill holes in the ice. But he

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:16.080
<v Speaker 1>just recently bought a brand new Auger with a nine

0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 1>inch blade and uh and he was quoted as saying,

0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:21.440
<v Speaker 1>if I had used my ten inch auger, you're Vex

0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Loomer would be gone. Well, you know, one one last

0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:30.839
<v Speaker 1>point of note, right, I think I think the part

0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 1>we're missing here. It's one thing that he's chewing on

0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:35.600
<v Speaker 1>the transducer cable. But also, man, I know a lot

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:38.680
<v Speaker 1>of captains, especially salty guys, that if they're at a

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 1>certain shallow depth, like say twenty ft of water or

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:45.360
<v Speaker 1>less bottom fishing or whatever it is, they'll kill the

0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 1>sonar because a lot of people believe that that ping,

0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:52.239
<v Speaker 1>that that signal actually screws with the fishing, you know,

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:55.400
<v Speaker 1>in certain situations. So it's like another level to me

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:58.440
<v Speaker 1>because here's this thing down there, like transmitting. You have

0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:00.880
<v Speaker 1>to wonder if there was something that tweaked that fish,

0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 1>and like would it have hit it if it wasn't on,

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:08.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, or was like something about that signal put

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 1>an electromagnetic field in the water or something like that.

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:13.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's just another one of those things

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:17.760
<v Speaker 1>that that adds to how mysterious and complex A puzzle

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:19.759
<v Speaker 1>it is with what fish will eat and when and why.

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:21.640
<v Speaker 1>We can never figure it out, which is why we

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 1>keep doing it. Well, I'll have to put some electromagnets

0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 1>on my musky flies or something. For the first time,

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:37.799
<v Speaker 1>but hopefully not the last time. Here on fish News,

0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna shut up and kind of kind of at

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:42.680
<v Speaker 1>least past the mic to our buddy and meat eaters

0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:45.440
<v Speaker 1>fishing editors, Sam Longer. Now, Um, it's kind of like

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.400
<v Speaker 1>how real news organs kick it to the guy in

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the field to to bring some more light to a

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:51.640
<v Speaker 1>very big story than Miles or I could bring it

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:55.960
<v Speaker 1>on our own. Sam, what's going on? Man? Thanks for

0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:59.279
<v Speaker 1>thanks for i don't know, stopping doing real work and

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>coming to talk to us a little bit. It's nice

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:03.719
<v Speaker 1>to have somebody here besides me and Miles for a

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 1>change in the news space. Well, thanks for pulling me

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:09.160
<v Speaker 1>away from my real work to talk about some interesting stuff.

0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:12.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, this is technically we do have

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you here to talk about your real work because because

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.880
<v Speaker 1>this is one of those stories that uh, we weren't

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 1>able to cover and uh and shouldn't be covering because

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:24.759
<v Speaker 1>it's super regionally focused and we need I mean, fact

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:26.359
<v Speaker 1>is everybody we needed to bring in the big guns

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:29.920
<v Speaker 1>and someone who was a local on this story. Otherwise

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:33.280
<v Speaker 1>we would have looked like a bunch of jerks really

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:36.839
<v Speaker 1>talking about by somebody where this hits close to home.

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, it would be like Miles telling striper stories.

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 1>That just doesn't work. Yeah. Yeah, well Myles can always

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:46.200
<v Speaker 1>be our our Hawaii correspondent, this is true. Yeah, we

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:48.120
<v Speaker 1>have a lot to cover their really what like two

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 1>stories so far? Every um Anyway, with that, Sam's got

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:55.840
<v Speaker 1>a really interesting piece for us. And uh, yeah, I

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:57.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know everything you got, Sam, I know the basics

0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:00.640
<v Speaker 1>and I'm looking forward to seeing what you bring. And

0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:02.120
<v Speaker 1>just to just to be clear, this ran on the

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:06.680
<v Speaker 1>meat eater dot com. That's where this this all precipitates from.

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Kah Sam. Yeah. So back in December, the Washington Department

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:13.280
<v Speaker 1>of Fishing Wildlife announced that they aren't going to allow

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 1>anglers to fish for steel head out of boats on

0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 1>most of the coastal rivers this season, as well as

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 1>banning bait and barbed hooks. But but that's nothing new.

0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:25.000
<v Speaker 1>So as a lot of people are probably aware, native

0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:26.920
<v Speaker 1>steel head runs have been in the shipter for the

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:29.480
<v Speaker 1>last four years that I mean going back a lot

0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>further than that, but like especially bad, and like even

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:36.719
<v Speaker 1>and predicted to be even shittier this year. Um and

0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:39.560
<v Speaker 1>some folks are even speculating that these populations are on

0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the brink of extinction. But wdf W believes that they'll

0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:46.640
<v Speaker 1>be able to reduce the recreational catch rate by about

0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:51.920
<v Speaker 1>fifty with these new regulations. But obviously a lot of

0:45:51.920 --> 0:45:56.359
<v Speaker 1>people are super pissed about this, especially guides. They had

0:45:56.400 --> 0:46:00.040
<v Speaker 1>a protest parade through Forks a few weeks ago. A

0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:03.520
<v Speaker 1>change dot org petition to change these rules has gathered

0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:07.400
<v Speaker 1>five thousand signatures. And boats are basically how guided steelhead

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:10.680
<v Speaker 1>trips work. The guide rows a driftboater raft right next

0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:13.400
<v Speaker 1>to or right on top of the prime holding lies,

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 1>and clients run through with plugs or drift gear, bobbers

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 1>and worms, bobber dog rigs, jigs, indicator, nim friggs, you

0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 1>name it. But it's really effective. Uh. You know, one

0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:28.439
<v Speaker 1>study show that guided anglers on the Soul Duck caught

0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:31.160
<v Speaker 1>some eight percent of the steelhead caught in that river

0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:34.480
<v Speaker 1>that year. UM. So, as you mentioned, I wrote an

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:37.000
<v Speaker 1>article about this for the Mediator website a few weeks ago,

0:46:37.360 --> 0:46:40.160
<v Speaker 1>and that got people a bit stirred up. But like

0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:46.480
<v Speaker 1>my message was this, you're in hiding right now, aren't you.

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:52.960
<v Speaker 1>You're location you don't know, ab somewhere, safehouse, Yeah, witness

0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:57.759
<v Speaker 1>protection program. But I'm standing by my message, guys. And

0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:01.640
<v Speaker 1>my message was I think you don't like Washington's new rigs,

0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:05.480
<v Speaker 1>just you wait until the federal government gets involved. So

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.719
<v Speaker 1>to take a step back, I caught my first winter

0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:11.920
<v Speaker 1>run steel head while skipping class during my senior year

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:16.120
<v Speaker 1>of high school up in the Skadget River. Just two

0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:20.720
<v Speaker 1>months later. Two months later, the entire Puget Sound Distinct

0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:24.680
<v Speaker 1>population segment of steelhead were listed under the Endangered Species Act.

0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:28.399
<v Speaker 1>The Skatget didn't reopen for its world famous late winter

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.520
<v Speaker 1>fishery for a decade and and still hit or miss

0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:33.520
<v Speaker 1>whether or not they'll have a season, and they're probably

0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 1>not going to have one this year. And this guy

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Comish that's still a Guamish. The snow Qualmy and a

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:43.040
<v Speaker 1>shipload of other rivers that start with the letters still

0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:48.120
<v Speaker 1>haven't been reopened. The Washington Coast in Olympic Peninsula is

0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:51.400
<v Speaker 1>one of only four steel head meta populations in the

0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:54.280
<v Speaker 1>lower forty eight that haven't yet come under the umbrella

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:56.719
<v Speaker 1>of the Feds. Pretty much everything else is listed under

0:47:56.760 --> 0:48:00.360
<v Speaker 1>the Endangered Species Act already, So they're a lot of

0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:02.560
<v Speaker 1>different factors at play with why steel head of runs

0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 1>have fallen to fractions of a percent of their historical abundance. Yeah,

0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:09.960
<v Speaker 1>we've covered a ton of them on here, like that's

0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:13.719
<v Speaker 1>the frequent news item. Yeah, absolutely, And people people love

0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:16.399
<v Speaker 1>to speculate wildly about what it is. And and one

0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:20.359
<v Speaker 1>thing is for certain, it's never it's never anyone's it's

0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:25.160
<v Speaker 1>never that person's fault, right right, right, right right. I

0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:27.239
<v Speaker 1>don't know what's wrong, but it's not me. Yeah, yeah,

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:29.719
<v Speaker 1>it's not it's not me. It couldn't be me. Having

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:32.319
<v Speaker 1>read your story though, like the crux of what what

0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:35.600
<v Speaker 1>you're saying and what you know is that as harsh

0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:38.080
<v Speaker 1>as this is and as upsetting as it is to people,

0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:42.120
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's better than having the federal government come

0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:45.840
<v Speaker 1>in and say nothing, no fishing, no, just shut it

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:50.000
<v Speaker 1>down completely exactly. And I mean the Endangered Species Act

0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:52.360
<v Speaker 1>is designed to function it kind of as the iron

0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 1>fist of the federal government slamming down to prevent extinction.

0:48:56.640 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 1>It's famously severe. I mean, like look at the controversy

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 1>that's been going around spotted outs for thirty years. But

0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:06.480
<v Speaker 1>it's also arguably effective if you look at species like

0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 1>wolves that have been recently delisted. But that same severity

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.520
<v Speaker 1>also makes it an effective deterrent. Like if you look

0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:17.759
<v Speaker 1>back at eleven states and groups as far apart as

0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:23.600
<v Speaker 1>environmentalists and oil developers and ranchers and hunters came together

0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 1>to design plans to save the Greater Sage grouse throughout

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:31.080
<v Speaker 1>the Inner Mountain West and then and then later that year,

0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 1>when the U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service reviewed the

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:37.640
<v Speaker 1>grouse for listing, they ruled them to be quote warranted

0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:41.760
<v Speaker 1>but precluded, which is basically an admission. That's a big problem.

0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:43.400
<v Speaker 1>But the states are on top of it, so they

0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:46.840
<v Speaker 1>can put their resources elsewhere. So that's exactly what Washington

0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.799
<v Speaker 1>is trying to do with his boat fishing band. And

0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:52.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, after publishing this article, my my name is

0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:54.840
<v Speaker 1>is kind of being trashed, like you know, from the

0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:58.359
<v Speaker 1>hump tulips to the hoe and back again. But like

0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:00.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to pute this out to people, like

0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't love this rule either. You know, I would

0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:05.920
<v Speaker 1>ton of funds who are guides and I want to

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:10.520
<v Speaker 1>see them continue making a living. But like, and this

0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:12.920
<v Speaker 1>rule messed up my own plans too. But I'm just

0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:15.680
<v Speaker 1>really worried that if an es A listing comes down,

0:50:15.840 --> 0:50:18.319
<v Speaker 1>this fishery is going to evaporate. And that's like not

0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:22.560
<v Speaker 1>a boogeyman thing, like there are some of the litigious

0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:25.200
<v Speaker 1>wild fish groups have already said that they're going to

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:28.200
<v Speaker 1>petition the US Fish and Wildlife Service under a more

0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:32.520
<v Speaker 1>amenable Biden administration to list the coastal steel headstock and

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:38.280
<v Speaker 1>you know what, like they're probably gonna get it. Yeah, Well,

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:40.919
<v Speaker 1>so I just have I just have one question because

0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:43.680
<v Speaker 1>see this is not my world. Admittedly, right, I am

0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:45.719
<v Speaker 1>not as fluent on the West coast steel seen as

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:47.680
<v Speaker 1>you guys are. But before we get into because we're

0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna be, I want I want you to read some

0:50:49.120 --> 0:50:51.879
<v Speaker 1>of the things people have saying, uh I've been saying

0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:54.879
<v Speaker 1>about you specifically. I believe you've you've queued up some

0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:58.600
<v Speaker 1>comments that we'll get into. But this is just a question.

0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:01.279
<v Speaker 1>We're out of ignorance. I mean, this system has been

0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:03.360
<v Speaker 1>in place elsewhere out there for a long time, like

0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the shoots. You cannot fish from a boat on the

0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:09.200
<v Speaker 1>shoots most of the Scheina system too. Yeah, yeah, you're

0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:11.160
<v Speaker 1>right right about the t shoots and like and like

0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:15.799
<v Speaker 1>Steelhead Valhalla in around Terrace, British Columbia, nobody fishes from

0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:17.799
<v Speaker 1>boats for steel head and haven't for a long time.

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:22.520
<v Speaker 1>And and to clarify, it's not that you can't put

0:51:22.560 --> 0:51:24.799
<v Speaker 1>a boat on these rivers, you just can't fish out

0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:27.480
<v Speaker 1>of it. So like I experienced on two shoots, you

0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:29.040
<v Speaker 1>can use your boat to go from point A to

0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:30.600
<v Speaker 1>point B, but then you have to get out and

0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:33.879
<v Speaker 1>fish right correct correct, And and that's how a lot

0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:36.839
<v Speaker 1>of people already do it. And and and there's also

0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:39.880
<v Speaker 1>a valid argument to be made here that like, you know,

0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the the Boga Shield is not the the shoots. You know,

0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:46.800
<v Speaker 1>they're steep banks that are covered in rocks and moss,

0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:49.920
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's it's very dangerous. A lot of the

0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:52.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the Steelhead seasons, the rivers will like

0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 1>barely ever come into shape, like not be too muddy

0:51:57.120 --> 0:51:59.600
<v Speaker 1>to fish. And and so like a lot of people

0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:02.760
<v Speaker 1>are arguinging like what about elderly people, what about young people?

0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:05.439
<v Speaker 1>What about disabled anglers? And like I get that man,

0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:10.240
<v Speaker 1>and and and originally there weren't concessions for those people.

0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:13.160
<v Speaker 1>But I have heard that w df w IS is

0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:16.040
<v Speaker 1>changing their tune there, and so that's that's good to hear,

0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:18.719
<v Speaker 1>because like I've got buddies out there who are still

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:21.719
<v Speaker 1>fishing and rowing people down the rivers and their seventies

0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:25.359
<v Speaker 1>and and and young folks and people who can't walk

0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:29.120
<v Speaker 1>well like that, I feel like, I feel like it's

0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:31.839
<v Speaker 1>very fair that the rules are a little bit different there,

0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:35.560
<v Speaker 1>but like the fact of the matter is, like w DFD,

0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:38.719
<v Speaker 1>but you had to do something, like the status quo

0:52:38.840 --> 0:52:44.440
<v Speaker 1>here has failed, and restricting recreational anglers is the only

0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 1>tool they have available. They can't stop the Japanese High

0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Seas trawlers, they can't stop the tribes, they can't stop

0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:56.560
<v Speaker 1>warm water in the North Pacific, and and then and

0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:59.440
<v Speaker 1>these rules have been getting more and more restrictive for decades.

0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:02.240
<v Speaker 1>So like, if you didn't see this coming or something

0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:04.960
<v Speaker 1>like this coming, you just haven't been paying attention. And

0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:06.279
<v Speaker 1>the last thing I want to say is kind of

0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:08.560
<v Speaker 1>where we're coming from here, where I'm from coming from here,

0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:10.640
<v Speaker 1>I suppose it's like it's a big part of our

0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:14.840
<v Speaker 1>ethos at meat Eater to have respect for and deference

0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:18.640
<v Speaker 1>to biologists and wildlife managers. They have a tough job,

0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:21.239
<v Speaker 1>and too many hunters and anglers have shipped talked to

0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:24.360
<v Speaker 1>them for too long. Like, I'm not happy about this decision,

0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:27.080
<v Speaker 1>but I understand why it was made, and I hesitate

0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:29.359
<v Speaker 1>to second guess a game agency that's trying to save

0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:33.160
<v Speaker 1>a game species from extinction. And there have been public

0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:36.960
<v Speaker 1>forums and public comment periods throughout all of this process,

0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:40.360
<v Speaker 1>but very few people were willing to tune in until

0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:43.560
<v Speaker 1>something happened that they didn't like. So, Like, the last

0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:45.480
<v Speaker 1>thing I want to say to anybody who who who

0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:47.560
<v Speaker 1>hates me over this is like, if you don't like

0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:49.759
<v Speaker 1>this rule, I get involved in the process and be

0:53:49.880 --> 0:53:51.839
<v Speaker 1>part of the solution. Yelling at me is not going

0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:55.040
<v Speaker 1>to accomplish anything. And I just really don't feel like

0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:57.880
<v Speaker 1>steel has steel Head owe us anything like, but we

0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:00.640
<v Speaker 1>owe the steel Head like all we can do to

0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:02.759
<v Speaker 1>keep them around, and we like definitely owe it to

0:54:02.800 --> 0:54:05.799
<v Speaker 1>the generations to follow. Like my best friend, one of

0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:08.120
<v Speaker 1>my best friends who have been fishing steel Head with

0:54:08.239 --> 0:54:11.319
<v Speaker 1>for fifteen years, had a son this year and he

0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:14.000
<v Speaker 1>is convinced that his son won't be able to fish

0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:16.640
<v Speaker 1>native steel head with us on the Olympic Peninsula, and

0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:18.440
<v Speaker 1>that breaks my heart, man. And I just I just

0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 1>feel like, I feel like, you know, at least at

0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:26.680
<v Speaker 1>least they're trying, at least at least some measure of

0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:29.480
<v Speaker 1>attempt is being made to save these fish. Yeah. And

0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:30.759
<v Speaker 1>I think I think a couple of things that we

0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:33.080
<v Speaker 1>got thrown here before we before we close out. One,

0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:35.840
<v Speaker 1>if you if you don't know anything about this particular

0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:39.120
<v Speaker 1>subculture of of anglers in this particular area, they might

0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:41.799
<v Speaker 1>be the most divided and angry group of fishermen that

0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:45.880
<v Speaker 1>I've ever come across, too, And that's that's important for

0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:47.600
<v Speaker 1>those of you who don't know about this. The other

0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:50.040
<v Speaker 1>thing is is in your article that I read, you know,

0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:52.640
<v Speaker 1>on on some of those systems, all these fish are

0:54:52.680 --> 0:54:55.400
<v Speaker 1>getting caught at least once, and some of them are

0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:58.560
<v Speaker 1>getting caught multiple times, right according to the statistics. And

0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:00.719
<v Speaker 1>I think that's an important point throw out. It's like

0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:02.759
<v Speaker 1>the escapement is getting past the nets, but they're all

0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:05.960
<v Speaker 1>getting caught and released by anglers and that has an impact.

0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:08.680
<v Speaker 1>And and before we let you go, because we want

0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you to tell us some of the awful hate mail

0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:13.759
<v Speaker 1>that you've gotten, because we find that entertaining. But I

0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:16.759
<v Speaker 1>should point out that three different friends of mine after

0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:19.799
<v Speaker 1>reading your article reached out to me and and like

0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:25.040
<v Speaker 1>said straight up, like, hey, man, is Sam okay? Is

0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:29.400
<v Speaker 1>someone is anyone gonna are people who had heard him? So,

0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:31.719
<v Speaker 1>like I think before we close out saying, why don't you,

0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:33.920
<v Speaker 1>why don't you give us an example of the kind

0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:37.360
<v Speaker 1>of crazy feedback you're getting from people and how upset

0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:39.400
<v Speaker 1>they are because you were trying to tell this what

0:55:39.480 --> 0:55:41.680
<v Speaker 1>I consider to be a journalistic story about the state

0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:44.520
<v Speaker 1>of things. Yeah, and you know, and before I do that,

0:55:44.640 --> 0:55:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Miles and I am okay, and thanks for asking, Um,

0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:51.959
<v Speaker 1>but right now, because nobody knows where you are right yeah,

0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:55.000
<v Speaker 1>the safe house. Um. But you know, I I heard

0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:57.279
<v Speaker 1>from one of the top guides out there the other

0:55:57.360 --> 0:56:01.120
<v Speaker 1>day and I was totally expect DM to thrash me.

0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:04.640
<v Speaker 1>And we had a really great conversation about this and

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:06.960
<v Speaker 1>found a lot of middle ground. And so I do

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:09.520
<v Speaker 1>believe that a lot of rational people are kind of

0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:13.960
<v Speaker 1>seeing what's happening here in its totality, not just kind

0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:16.360
<v Speaker 1>of what's in front of their face, and I have

0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:19.360
<v Speaker 1>gotten more positive comments than negative. Just read the negative.

0:56:19.440 --> 0:56:21.719
<v Speaker 1>Just read the negative. We were happy to hear that,

0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:24.719
<v Speaker 1>but we want to hear the train wrecord. So this

0:56:24.800 --> 0:56:29.160
<v Speaker 1>fella said, you ever research South American king salmon and

0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:33.520
<v Speaker 1>how they got there? I mean really researched it. See,

0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:37.799
<v Speaker 1>you are spewing propaganda and a rhetoric dot dot. The

0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:42.400
<v Speaker 1>simple problem is there aren't brought steel head. The simple

0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:51.759
<v Speaker 1>solution all caps more steel head. Furthermore, w DFW is

0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:59.200
<v Speaker 1>funded yearly by Federal Endangered Species moneies. Therefore they would

0:56:59.239 --> 0:57:04.400
<v Speaker 1>go bankrupt if wildfish ever came back. Also researched the

0:57:04.480 --> 0:57:08.440
<v Speaker 1>quinnult misspelled. It is amazing how they get off sime

0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:12.839
<v Speaker 1>returns on all these warm weather years and with all

0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:17.280
<v Speaker 1>the bad nets. Quinlt is the best steel head fishery

0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:21.520
<v Speaker 1>in the entire Pacific Northwest. And he closes by saying

0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:25.720
<v Speaker 1>something distasteful about my friend and employer, Stephen Ronnello that

0:57:26.000 --> 0:57:29.320
<v Speaker 1>I would rather not repeat. I think we shouldn't. We

0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:31.640
<v Speaker 1>got time for one more. You got one more, just short,

0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:34.640
<v Speaker 1>really cutting good one, whether the spellings right or not.

0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I also got this one bullshit. I live in Washington

0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:44.200
<v Speaker 1>State and we have hogs for steel Head. I catch

0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:47.120
<v Speaker 1>them all the time and avoid game officers while I

0:57:47.160 --> 0:57:49.919
<v Speaker 1>take a picture of them and put them back. Well,

0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:54.920
<v Speaker 1>I can't argue with that kind of science. We can.

0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:57.200
<v Speaker 1>We could spend so much more time reading those shorties,

0:57:57.200 --> 0:57:59.919
<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure there's some good ones. But um, dude,

0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:02.160
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a great article. It was an important article,

0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:04.640
<v Speaker 1>and we're happy that you came on to talk to

0:58:04.720 --> 0:58:07.640
<v Speaker 1>us about it here. I'm also gonna say Phil that

0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Sam is eligible for a win this week. I think

0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I think any any one of us could win based

0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:16.480
<v Speaker 1>on the work we've done here, and um, you know,

0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:19.400
<v Speaker 1>and it wouldn't be me or you Joe, but Phil,

0:58:19.480 --> 0:58:22.200
<v Speaker 1>you make your choice. Agreed. We'll see what Phil has

0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:24.360
<v Speaker 1>to say, and then we're gonna move into trivia with

0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:32.800
<v Speaker 1>our good buddy Robert Hawkins. For obvious reasons, Sam Londren,

0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:38.040
<v Speaker 1>you're the winner of fish News. But Miles, don't sell

0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:43.280
<v Speaker 1>your story short I mean it had everything, suspense, mystery, action,

0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:47.440
<v Speaker 1>put that all together, and you've got to stow go on.

0:58:49.680 --> 0:58:52.520
<v Speaker 1>You've gotta be highly skilled for these shows. You understand

0:58:52.520 --> 0:58:57.840
<v Speaker 1>that you're well versed there. You're very smart men, all right,

0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:02.160
<v Speaker 1>joining us today to play a little trivia. My good buddy,

0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Mr Robert Hawkins, owner of Bob Mitchell's Fly Shop in St. Paul, Minnesota,

0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Bobby nachos As you're knowing, How are you doing, my friend?

0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:12.760
<v Speaker 1>We are we are doing well. We're gonna have a

0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:18.320
<v Speaker 1>little fun today. UM. So just just to fill everybody in, UH,

0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:22.080
<v Speaker 1>the month was November, the year when you, sir, caught

0:59:22.160 --> 0:59:25.000
<v Speaker 1>a fifty seven in muskie on mill Axe Lake on

0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:28.640
<v Speaker 1>the fly, claiming the current world record fly caught muskie.

0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:31.160
<v Speaker 1>And you and I over the years have talked about

0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:33.760
<v Speaker 1>this ad nauseum, and you've talked to so many other

0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:36.160
<v Speaker 1>people about it. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that

0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:41.360
<v Speaker 1>you were tired of talking about it. Fair to say,

0:59:42.880 --> 0:59:44.440
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to talk about it now either. This

0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:46.760
<v Speaker 1>is just the jumping off point for your first trivia

0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:50.320
<v Speaker 1>question today. I hope that you are ready to play. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>At just north of one hundred and thirty two thousand acres,

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<v Speaker 1>mill As is the second largest lake in Minnesota, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say it has a pretty solid reputation as a

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<v Speaker 1>top fishing destination, not just in your home state, but

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<v Speaker 1>also around the country. Would you agree with that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So the question is how many current Minnesota state record

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<v Speaker 1>fish do you think we're plucked from the mighty waters

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<v Speaker 1>of Malax? Is it a eleven, B, four C, zero

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<v Speaker 1>or D one. I'm gonna say four four, So you're

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<v Speaker 1>going you're going low number there. Um. If that's your

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<v Speaker 1>final answer, that is incorrect, then the answer is zero. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Presently there are no state record fish uh in Minnesota

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<v Speaker 1>from from Malax, which I found very interesting because it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most heavily fished bodies of wa are

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<v Speaker 1>there and I hear all kinds of good things. But

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<v Speaker 1>a quick follow up to that, I happen to notice

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<v Speaker 1>while doing research that Minnesota's current state record muskie measured

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six inches and wide fifty four pounds and has

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<v Speaker 1>stood since ninety seven from winn of Gosh. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you know all about that, but I mean, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>technically you beat that on the fly. And I understand

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<v Speaker 1>you had no intention in keeping that fish, but had you,

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<v Speaker 1>you would hold the state record spot right now? Would

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<v Speaker 1>you not? Potentially? The thing with Minnesota as they do

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<v Speaker 1>it by weight and not by length and the girth

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<v Speaker 1>on that on the wind of a gotious fish may

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<v Speaker 1>have outdone my fish by maybe a pound or two.

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<v Speaker 1>So mine may have been a pound or two short

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<v Speaker 1>of what that fish wade, uh if that makes sense. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll never know, but the potential definitely exists. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was for Minnesota's state record fish to

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<v Speaker 1>be fly caught. Okay, that's impressive. That's that. Okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll get off the record fish. We'll go to

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<v Speaker 1>another video that you were in, because there's there's awesome

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<v Speaker 1>video of that fish being caught. But there's another clip

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<v Speaker 1>out there. In fact, we used it in the promo

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<v Speaker 1>video to announce the launch of Bent, in which you

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<v Speaker 1>were being filmed in the final throws and cleaning a

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<v Speaker 1>yetti cooler in which beef jerky sandwich is another sort

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<v Speaker 1>of edibles had been marinating with the lid clothes for

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<v Speaker 1>what was it, two months, two weeks something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>at least, well at least a couple of three weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>But my garage gets My garage is like a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty degrees in the summer, so maybe two weeks

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred, two weeks and a hundred and and it's

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<v Speaker 1>jerky sandwich is anything was there, anything else was in there?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to I want to know what those contents

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<v Speaker 1>were that created such a putrid, epic dry heaves. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's always loose potato chips with water slashing around. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's you know, half spilled beers usually in there. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>probably some grapes that which thought we were going to

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<v Speaker 1>eat to be healthy, but didn't. You know, I've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard somebody wretch quite like that. We might have to

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<v Speaker 1>repost that on our on our social mind. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we do. I think we do. And it sounds to

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<v Speaker 1>me like a primordial soup, like you might have actually

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<v Speaker 1>spawned some new creatures, new life that never before existed

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<v Speaker 1>on this planet came out of that cooler. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunate what Aaron missed, Like all the that was, like

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<v Speaker 1>the he in the video, it was so much more

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<v Speaker 1>before that, even too came across. So this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a goofy little question, but we're all going to

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<v Speaker 1>learn something from it. So based on that experience. Which

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<v Speaker 1>of the following is not recommended for use in removing

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<v Speaker 1>foul odor from your cooler? A charcoal, catts, be baby powder,

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<v Speaker 1>see cat litter, d baking soda to those is not

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<v Speaker 1>recommended for removing incredibly foul odors from For the record,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know the answers to these either, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>puzzling over this as much as you are. Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say, I mean charcoal's I'm gonna say cat litter

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<v Speaker 1>because it probably has some sort of like chemical in

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<v Speaker 1>it that's not supposed to be in your cooler. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Actually the made up one here is be baby powder.

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<v Speaker 1>All the rest are recommended, at least on the interwebs,

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<v Speaker 1>for removing rank odor from your cooler. However, I will

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<v Speaker 1>say the most common one, the one I see use

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<v Speaker 1>most any guesses. No bleach is disinfecting. We're just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about like there's like such an embedded stink like you're

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to get odor out, not necessarily disinfect And yes, charcoal,

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<v Speaker 1>charcoal or cats so uh. Fun fact, if if you

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<v Speaker 1>ever have a mishap like Mr Hawkins here, get you

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<v Speaker 1>some of them Kingsford filled that sucker up, close the

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<v Speaker 1>lid and let it marinate for a few days. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>this has been really fun, and we thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for playing today. Thank you enthusiasm. That's what we

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<v Speaker 1>like here on Bent do I think we I think

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<v Speaker 1>we need to bring back and re share that video

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<v Speaker 1>of Hawkins dry heating over the cooler because it's, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just so gross and guttural, and yet it's informative.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lesson there. There's a lesson there, but less there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a quick lesson at the end. We'll reshare the

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<v Speaker 1>video this week, um At. Speaking of guttural right, I

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<v Speaker 1>once fished a lore that made me make guttural noises

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<v Speaker 1>and also made me dry heath Ala Hawkins. I learned

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<v Speaker 1>that just this week. Something I learned from from this

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<v Speaker 1>week's end of line segment. So Joe's Joe's gonna mimic

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<v Speaker 1>his good friend Bobby Nacho's there, and he's gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>all gross and guttural and informative. He's gonna give you

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<v Speaker 1>some tips on what you should never do when getting

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<v Speaker 1>into the chopper in the Amazon. Well, that's not loud enough, Burt,

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps up, you're very familiar with the wood shopper. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also very possible you've never heard of it. I liken

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<v Speaker 1>this lure to a great band with a devout cult

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<v Speaker 1>following that tried to get a major label record deal

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<v Speaker 1>for decades, only to eventually burn out, leaving a smattering

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<v Speaker 1>of even lesser known cover bands in its wake. The

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<v Speaker 1>wood Shopper is a top water hardbeat, and while they've

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<v Speaker 1>been made in many sizes, the six to eight inch

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<v Speaker 1>models were the most common. The design is rather simple.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got a painted cigar shaped body, and at the tail,

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<v Speaker 1>between that body and the rear treble hook is an

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<v Speaker 1>oversized metal double blade propeller. Like many baits featured here,

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<v Speaker 1>there is some haze and mark to the story of

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<v Speaker 1>the wood Shopper, but my research points to it being

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<v Speaker 1>an original creation of Ozark mountain Lures. It debuted in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen fifties and was primarily marketed as a muskie bait.

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<v Speaker 1>Ozark's design actually featured a propeller at the head and

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<v Speaker 1>the tail, and while there's not tons of info on

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<v Speaker 1>the inner webs about these early versions, I get the

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<v Speaker 1>sense that, aside from catch muskies, these top orders became sleepers,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, for giant large mouth bass as well.

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<v Speaker 1>The wood shopper was designed to be versatile. You could

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<v Speaker 1>steadily real one in making those blades buzz in the

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<v Speaker 1>body wake. You could slow roll a chopper to create

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<v Speaker 1>a lazy bubble trail, or you could violently snap a

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<v Speaker 1>wood chopper to make a rip saw racket on the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's that last dance move that pushes our story forward.

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<v Speaker 1>The wood shoppers design has arguably inspired and influenced many

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<v Speaker 1>other successful baits, perhaps most notably the Whopper Flopper. But

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<v Speaker 1>just as my beloved misfits inspired bands like Metallica that

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<v Speaker 1>would go on and have platinum records and make billions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars, the wood shopper by itself never really achieved superstardom. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>Lard Jensen owner Phil Jensen saw potential and purchase the

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<v Speaker 1>wood chopper design from Ozark Mountain loures In. Once Lar

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<v Speaker 1>Jensen took over, they quickly got rid of that front propeller.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late eighties and early nineties, peacock bass fishing

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<v Speaker 1>in the Amazon was getting more and more attention from

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<v Speaker 1>a American anglers, and what they learned was at the

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<v Speaker 1>sound of a wood schopper being jerked across the surface

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<v Speaker 1>and mock one bursts created an auditory kill queue for

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<v Speaker 1>monster peacocks better than anything else. Now I'm guessing here,

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<v Speaker 1>but removing the front prop created less resistance, allowing early

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<v Speaker 1>pioneers to rip those choppers a little harder and a

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<v Speaker 1>little faster. Shortly after Aller Jensen purchased the wood chopper

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<v Speaker 1>and angler by the name of Doc Lawson broke the

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<v Speaker 1>all tackle world record for peacocks with a twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>pounder using the lore. In short order, Allergens and wood

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<v Speaker 1>chopper became standard kit for Amazon peacock hunters looking for

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<v Speaker 1>big dogs. In fact, is one piece I read suggested

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<v Speaker 1>if you showed up in the Amazon without wood choppers,

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<v Speaker 1>you who are labeled a complete novice. Throughout the nineties

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<v Speaker 1>and into the early two thousands, between the rise of

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet and more lodge operations opening in South America,

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<v Speaker 1>peacock fishing in the Amazon slowly more from a game

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<v Speaker 1>for the rich and fortunate two pretty affordable to more people,

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<v Speaker 1>and the wood shoppers reputation as the trophy peacock lure

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<v Speaker 1>only strengthened, but it didn't strengthen enough. Apparently. In two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand six, Phil Jensen sold his entire company to wrap them,

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<v Speaker 1>and by two thousand eleven, the Lard Jensen wood schopper

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<v Speaker 1>was out of production. Because despite the lure's prominence in

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<v Speaker 1>the peacock scene. The small market of Amazon bound anglers

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<v Speaker 1>simply generated too little money to justify its place in

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<v Speaker 1>the catalog, and by then it seemed nobody was really

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<v Speaker 1>using a wood shopper for anything but peacock bass. I

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<v Speaker 1>finally got to the Amazon, and sure enough there wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>Allergensen wood shopper anywhere in sight. But as it often

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<v Speaker 1>goes with defunct plugs, a small batchmaker steps in to

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<v Speaker 1>fill the void. The lodge I stayed at set us

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<v Speaker 1>up with rip rollers, pretty much carbon copies of wood

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<v Speaker 1>shoppers made by high roller Lures out of Gainesville, Florida. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>having spent years watching videos of massive peacocks crushing shoppers,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't wait to fish them. But then I did

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<v Speaker 1>a very dumb thing. My first night at the lodge,

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<v Speaker 1>Me and the fellas got our drank on and we

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<v Speaker 1>failed to drink any water between the adult BEVs. So

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<v Speaker 1>the next morning, while my excitement overrode any hangover, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was pretty bright eyed and bushy tail, when I

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<v Speaker 1>made my first cast with a rip roller and started chugging,

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<v Speaker 1>things took a turn harder, sir, is all our guide said,

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<v Speaker 1>So I ripped that lord harder, more hard, sir, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>after my second retrieve, And that's when I realized to

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<v Speaker 1>work a roller a shopper like you're supposed to, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna burn out the arms and shoulders. Now, normally I'd

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<v Speaker 1>say bring the pain, but within an hour the remnant booze,

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<v Speaker 1>dehydration and degree heat at the equator caught up to

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<v Speaker 1>me and I about collapsed with my head spinning. I

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<v Speaker 1>slugged three waters back to back and then fought to

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<v Speaker 1>keep those down, and then I think I just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of laid on the deck for a good long while

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<v Speaker 1>until I recovered lesson, learned about hard liquor in the Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>and side note, I fished that rip roller right proper

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of the trip, And while I stuck

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<v Speaker 1>a couple, my biggest peacock, a thirteen founder, hit a

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<v Speaker 1>big storm chug bug, which I probably could have worked

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<v Speaker 1>effectively being like full blown Lemmy drunk. So that's all

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<v Speaker 1>the time we have this week. If you happen to

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<v Speaker 1>just fast forward through the entire show and just to

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<v Speaker 1>this very spot, you missed a deep dive into Carl

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<v Speaker 1>Weathers that any's biography could not touch with a ten

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<v Speaker 1>foot surf right. Oh man, you sure did, but listen, um,

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<v Speaker 1>don't miss out on your chance to be on this show.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep those bar nominations, salebin items and awkward photos rolling

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<v Speaker 1>into Bent at the meat Eator dot com. Remember, if

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<v Speaker 1>we use anything you sand, you will get a sweet

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<v Speaker 1>little care package of stickers from us. Or just say

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<v Speaker 1>hi right in, say what's up? Or you guys suck

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<v Speaker 1>whatever whatever you want. Uh, and don't forget we got

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<v Speaker 1>eyes on those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags. You

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<v Speaker 1>can get stickers if if you grab our touch in

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<v Speaker 1>that way too. Yeah. And once you realize your minimal

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<v Speaker 1>fishing successes aren't producing a graham worthy shot that catches

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<v Speaker 1>our attention, and you're gonna give that shoot up, You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna concentrate on golf. Finally, I've been waiting for a

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<v Speaker 1>happy Gilmore reference this entire episode