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Speaker 1: not like I should clarify. It's not like a dramatic

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00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: dog death is a part of the book. It's just that,

424
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: like you see a series of dogs, like once he's

425
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Speaker 1: fishing with one dog, and then the next story it's

426
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: a different dog, and you know, like, okay, so it

427
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: doesn't tall he doesn't detail that the dying of of dogs. No,

428
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: this is not like situation. I may read it now

429
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: that I know that, Okay, because I can't do dogs. Look,

430
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: I can watch Carl Well his arm get torn off

431
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: and feel nothing. But dogs dying is my kryptonite. So

432
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: hopefully you've not conjured any kryptonite that will block me

433
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: from emerging victorious in this week's current Events battle. Let's

434
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 1: do some fish News. Fish New escalated quickly. All right,

435
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: I just have one very tiny baby shout out this week.

436
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 1: I just I have to do this. Remember last week

437
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: we did the awkward moments in angling with Alex Reid

438
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: as a young boy, and he was he was I

439
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: can't forget he was posing with the blue girl after

440
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: just having pissed his pants. He wrote in after last

441
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: week's show. To just let me know that that same

442
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: exact day, he also took his first dump in the woods.

443
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: So in that photo that we ran, he's also not

444
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: wearing sock inside those work boots, those little work boots,

445
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: because he used his socks to wipe his ass. So

446
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: that's like a little to the pea pants awkward photo.

447
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: That's all I got. I'm like, I have to, I

448
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: have to that that need the world needs to hear that.

449
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: So that Alex. Alex had no idea what he was

450
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: getting into when he allowed us into his personal history. Um,

451
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: but he loved it. He's like, thanks for the five

452
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: minutes of fame. Also, I ship in the woods and

453
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: white white my ass with my socks. So he just

454
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: he fed that. He didn't have to, he didn't have

455
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: to offer that up, but he did appreciate it. Nope,

456
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: the dude is a mass kist. I'm not gonna Yeah,

457
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: I can't have any housekeeping after that. It's we've we've

458
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: we've soiled the whole segment. Oh but I'm bump. We

459
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: are going to do news just a little differently this week.

460
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: We're not We're not like totally stepping out. It's gonna

461
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: feel familiar, but we're gonna we're gonna switch it up

462
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: a little bit. So Joe and I were each gonna

463
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: do just one single story and then after that we're

464
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: gonna bring in a special guest who's who's going to

465
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: cover a more in depth piece of news for us.

466
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 1: And and and that's a that's that's a piece of news

467
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 1: that neither Joe nor I wanted to have any personal

468
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: involvement with whatsoever, for reasons that will become clear when

469
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: you hear it. Just so you know, it's a little

470
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: change up, but we we consider doing this more. It's

471
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: not bad to have have somebody on every once in

472
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: a while, So we're trying something here to try to

473
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: people who know more than we um so. But despite

474
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: all that, despite the changes, this is still a competition,

475
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: and neither Joe nor I know what the other ones

476
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: bringing to the table. And at the end, our illustrious

477
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: audio engineer Phil will pick a winner. Just this week,

478
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: he'll have three options instead of and uh, and Joe,

479
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: you got the lead off this week, but you only

480
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: have one shot at it, one shot, so you better

481
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: you better be bringing the goods man. Yeah, well, I

482
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: I hope you know it's one of the way like

483
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: is not amazing, but the talking points after the debate

484
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: it brings up I think is good um and something

485
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: everybody can get behind. So this is from for the

486
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: wind dot com that's part of USA Today headline angler

487
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: breaks fifty year old catfish record, catch stirs controversy. So

488
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: what happened here? Back in September, North Carolina angler John

489
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: Stone caught himself a twenty three pound, five ounce channel

490
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: cat which that's a big that's a that is a

491
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: large channel catfish. I mean, I don't I don't care

492
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: who you are. Twenty three pounds five ounces is a

493
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: really good fish. And he filled out all the proper

494
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: paperwork and submitted it for state record. Now here's the thing.

495
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: The previous record was twenty three pounds four ounces and

496
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: it has stood since nineteen seventy alright, so fifty years.

497
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: But late this January, the North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission

498
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: certified Stones catch. And here's the fun part. Not only

499
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: has it beaten the fifty year record by a mere ounce,

500
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: it was caught in a private pond and as you

501
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: might have, meat and people are going ballistic over this,

502
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: especially since that previous fifty year record came from a

503
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: public lake. So when, uh, when n CWR posted a

504
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: photo and announced the certification on its Facebook page, all

505
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: hell broke loose in the comments. And while I mean

506
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: some were supportive, you know, some were supportive, but most

507
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: of the men are calling it out as as straight

508
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: up cheating, claiming, you know, Stone grew the fish, calling

509
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: it a farm catfish, and so on and so forth.

510
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: Now it's a little a little more here to add

511
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: another layer of drama. Another story on a different site

512
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: about this catch notes that Stone is an at large

513
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: wildlife commissioner, so people are even more piste off that

514
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: he'd even try and have this certified because of that position.

515
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: And um, I I looked at all the stories related

516
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: to this that that popped up in the news feed,

517
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: and I can't seem to find one where Stone is

518
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: quoted or defending himself or anything like that. But frankly,

519
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: if you really stop, he doesn't need to write because

520
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,239
Speaker 1: regardless of how you feel, North Carolina certifies fish from

521
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: private water. You know, you might not like it, but

522
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: there's there's no shadiness or wrongdoing on on their end

523
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 1: as far as they're concerned. They don't care what kind

524
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: of water it came out of. Um, you know, And

525
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: in my opinion, I certainly understand the frustration here. Uh,

526
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: but I also think it's fair to say there are

527
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: so many details that we don't know, so it's it's

528
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 1: hard to make a legit judgment call. I mean, just

529
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: as an example, right, if in fact Stone has been

530
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: hand feeding this cat for years in a private pond,

531
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: essentially growing it, Yeah, that's totally lame and stupid. But

532
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: nobody has made an official claim of that yet. Now

533
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: on the flip side, a lot of people have private water,

534
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: lots of them, right, So if I bought property with

535
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: a pond on it and it coughed up, say a

536
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: state record bass, why would that not count. I haven't

537
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: manipul layd those fish or fed them. It was just there.

538
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: Maybe it was an old farm pond that's been there

539
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: since that was farmland. And now I bought my McMansion

540
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: in North Carolina, there's a huge bass in there. But

541
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: what people are saying is that it's not right to

542
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: claim a record from water that not everyone can access.

543
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: And that's certainly a very gray area, and there's no

544
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: battle here. It's basically just people spouting off. But it's

545
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: it's a gray area at least in terms of legality, ethically,

546
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: different story based on the case, right, and just to

547
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: to put a personal touch on it. For years, I

548
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: belong to a private trout club in North Jersey and

549
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: the fish there, I mean, dude, we fed them with

550
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: automatic deer feeders, just spit out the food right to

551
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: keep them in the stret private, privately stocked, and it

552
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: was what it was. I used to call it the

553
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: land of make believe, and it was like somewhere to

554
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: get your jollys in the middle of winter. And I'm

555
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: fairly confident I broke the new Jersey state brook trout

556
00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: record at least twice many years ago. Right now, technically,

557
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: technically I could have weighed that fish in and claim

558
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: that record, and honestly, in a way, it would have

559
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: been more legit maybe than a private pond fish, because

560
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: theoretically that fish was free to leave our private section

561
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: and stream and go wherever it wanted. The food kept

562
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: it there. But that fish could have went wherever it wanted,

563
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: and it could have easily ended up caught in a

564
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: public stretch of that same stream. But I've had I

565
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: would have literally beaten my own ass if I ever

566
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: even thought about doing that. It wasn't no, it wasn't

567
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: on a little you weren't you weren't part of that club,

568
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 1: I hope. No, No, this is Jared Little Jay's Pennsylvania.

569
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: But sorry I heard no, No, this is North Jersey. No,

570
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: this is not the Little Jay tobaccle. But to me,

571
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: I was like, I was holding this fish, going got

572
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: what a lame loser move that would be. But it

573
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: would have counted. The state wouldn't have said you can't

574
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: do that. And the irony in that um is if

575
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: that fish did leave that stretch, our stretch and get

576
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: caught by some eight year old kid five miles down river,

577
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: I have been like, good for him, get that record,

578
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's it's, uh, there's

579
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: so much debate there. I get the frustration, but it's

580
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: hard to say. You know, it's the thing of the

581
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: reason that that it's that we're both kind of I think,

582
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: responding to this the same way as that we just

583
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: don't care that much about the record thing like that's

584
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: not that's not and I'm not trying to put this

585
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: out of the judgment on the people who do, because

586
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: I get that a lot of people they augment their

587
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: enjoyment of fishing by putting particular goals on themselves and

588
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: and working through those with constraints, which is what all

589
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: records are all about. Right, Like this size fish on

590
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: this line, that's what makes it fun for me. Cool

591
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: you do that, That's not how I approach joy of fishing. Right,

592
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: So this becomes like a pretty academic and kind of

593
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: well not told, entirely subjective debate. It was legal, he

594
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: can do it right? Right? Should he have done it? Now?

595
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: Now there's there's where you can go around and round,

596
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: But can he do it? Absolutely? He did it. He

597
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: can so yeah, get over it if that makes bad

598
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: And you're right, if you really like peel the like

599
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: the layers away of why there's debate here for you

600
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: and I, you're correct. I don't give a damn about

601
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: record fish, like the only way I don't really care

602
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: about a state record fish. I'll even take a step further,

603
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna annoy some people that are listening to

604
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: this right now. But you know, a lot of fish

605
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: just have citations too, like citation catches. I don't know

606
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: if that's the thing out west, but out here it's

607
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: like it's like in New Jersey as an example, it's

608
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: like they'll say, if you want a pickerel citation for

609
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: the year, the fish has to be over twenty three inches,

610
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: like they designate all these different fish, all these different lengths,

611
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: and if you catch one and send him a photo,

612
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: like you get a citation to put on your wall.

613
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: There are people who have like hundreds of citations, like damn, dude,

614
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: you need that that bad, Like they post on facebooks like,

615
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: huh another citation, white perch, Huh another side got for citation.

616
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: Picke people still have all their like ribbons and trophies

617
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: from high cool sports. That's so like, dude, the citation,

618
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's like the bottom of the barrel. For

619
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: me to care about a record, it would have to

620
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: be something so mind blowing, like I would have to

621
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: catch the next world record stripe bass or something like

622
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: really covet something something storied. Yeah, mine class records. I'm sorry,

623
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: I don't care. No, I mean, look, we talked about

624
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: that whole we dug into that culture when we reviewed

625
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: Monty Burk's new book, and and so this also makes

626
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: me probably made me. Think of a previous book of

627
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: money Burks, which was Sowbelly, which was all about there's

628
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: a whole chapter in there about the guy who's trying

629
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: to grow the world record large mouth bass, like intentionally

630
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: and with a lot of chemistry and science, like what

631
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: do you have your private pond for? I'm trying to

632
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: grow the record large mouth. Watch it grow and then

633
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: catch it and break the record? Yep. Also legal, is

634
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: it anything I want anything to do with? No? Has

635
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: the guy ever succeeded? No? But now that's the that's

636
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: sort of the extreme extent that these things can and

637
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: go to. And unless we change the rules somewhere and

638
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: say like private ponds don't count, it only works on

639
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: public water, then this debate continues to be just kind

640
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: of mood. You're not going to do that, right, you

641
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: know you're not gonna do that. So we don't really

642
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: know the full story here, but um, either way, like,

643
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, he didn't do anything wrong,

644
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: you know, so deal with it. You know, I think

645
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: it's lame, but deal with it. My my story actually

646
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 1: ties into that because it's also about a large fish

647
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: that will annoy the crap out of quite a few

648
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: people listening, uh so from from my news story this week,

649
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: we're checking in with Lakeville, Minnesota, and I just gotta say,

650
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: really quick, that's gotta be the most literal down name,

651
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: uh in the entire state. It's It's kind of like

652
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,959
Speaker 1: how they named my adopted home state Montana, which means

653
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: mountains in Spanish. Or there's a down in Idaho called

654
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: Titonia that sits right in the shadow of the Grand Teton. Anyway,

655
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: so this story comes to us from Northland Outdoors and

656
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: it comes by way of listener k lib prator or prator.

657
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm butchering it, but either way, thank

658
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: you Caleb, thanks for for sending along. Before I get

659
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: into this, zo Joe, I feel like I have to

660
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: give you personally a trigger warning because the following story

661
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: may cause you extreme frustration, anger, envy, a general sense

662
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: that the world is a deeply, deeply unfair place. So

663
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: if you need to prepare yourself in some way to

664
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: receive the information I'm about to impart, do so now,

665
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: or just take off your headphones or whatever I do

666
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: for the next couple of minutes. Is it about like

667
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: clack Craft giving away a hundred boats for free to

668
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: people or something like. It's not it might be worse

669
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: than that for you. So I mean, if you're gonna

670
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: stick around, just deep breathing, that's all I gotta say.

671
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: So this story is about John, and I'm gonna there

672
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: will be a lot of butchered last names here. Everybody,

673
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: just deal with it, uh, The stories about John Kuznia

674
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: and his buddy Ben. Sorry on. John and Ben went

675
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: out ice fishing a couple of weeks ago on Lake Charlie,

676
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: where John keeps a permanent ice house in the winter.

677
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: John owns a cabin on nearby Lake Ida, where he

678
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: spends most weekends. These names are gonna be important later,

679
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: so so make notes. But he prefers to fish on

680
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: the smaller Lake Charlie. Okay, So John and Ben and

681
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: Ben's dad Carl, got up nice and early and got

682
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: out of the ice house and and they're they're fishing

683
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: over about sixteen ft of water, and by seven am

684
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: they were into a solid sunfish bite, just just having

685
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: a good time yard the mint and and they're you know,

686
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: they're small sunfish, but they're having fun. And after a

687
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: while they noticed some pike were staging around the panfish school,

688
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: and they started seeing pike take swipes at the hook

689
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: bluegills as they were bringing them up, you know, And

690
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, dude, like I know, you've been in this situation.

691
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: Anybody else has been in this situation knows. It's a

692
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: pretty fun game. Oh yeah, it's a little it's like

693
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: a video game. Yeah, it's definitely a little statistic, like

694
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: you hook you a little fish and then you're like, oh,

695
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: I got one, I'm gonna let him swim around a

696
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: little and see if the big pike wax out of

697
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: It's fun. It's fun, right, totally little dirty maybe, but

698
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: fun so. And every once in a while, when you're

699
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: doing that with pike or other big big fish, a

700
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: pike will grab onto one and it won't let go.

701
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: Or sometimes I've even seen them like fully inhale the

702
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: smaller fish head first and then the spines get stuck

703
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: in their throat and then and now you're fighting this

704
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: big pike on really light tackle. Yeah, it's just a

705
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: good time. It's just it's a good time. So that's

706
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: what John and Ben were up to on this particular day,

707
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: and at some point John even managed landa a twenty

708
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: seven pike, which I'm sure was super fun. So that's

709
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: the scene that's going on. This is this is what's

710
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: happening in the ice house. And yet no, they're just

711
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: they're just they're just having a nice morning ice fish

712
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: and playing god with the food chain, you know what's

713
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: going on. Then all of a sudden, there flasher starts

714
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: sliding across the floor of the ice house and luckily

715
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: it gets wedged in the hole. It's Ben's flasher. Ben

716
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: grabs grabs ahold of his flasher and he pulls it

717
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: back a little. And then he and John see a

718
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: huge fish hanging onto the transducer itself, just below the surface,

719
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: and thinking quickly, Ben lifted up slowly on the transducer cable.

720
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: The fish's head came up into the hole. John grabbed

721
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: it behind the gilt plate and pulled out a fifty

722
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: plus inch muskie on the transducer. M hm. After they

723
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: pulled it up, the fish continued to bite down on

724
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: that transducer. Because the ad told told Northland Outdoors it

725
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: was honestly a minute and a half before that thing

726
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: let go. I kind of tickled its mouth hoping it

727
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: would open, and it didn't. So what I mean, it's

728
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: a crazy story, but it's just it's so unfair to

729
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: all the people who have spent years of their lives

730
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 1: work their butts off trying to catch a fifty musky.

731
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: It's so unfair. Now, I understand why you think this

732
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: would this would anger me so much, but frankly, it

733
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: doesn't anger me at all, because this is this is

734
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: how this ship happens with muskies. Like, I'm convinced that

735
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: if I'm ever going to catch a fifty plus inch muski,

736
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: if if that's ever gonna happen for me, chances are

737
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a miracle because it's gonna bite some

738
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: hot and tot or something that I'm throwing for small mouth.

739
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: Well this so that's crazy enough as it is, but

740
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: there's there's one more wrinkle that makes this even more

741
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: hard to believe true, but hard to believe so and

742
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: possibly even more unfair, depending on how you want to

743
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: look at it. Because Lake Charlie, the little lake where

744
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: they're fishing, it's not supposed to have muskies in it.

745
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: The DNR has never stocked muskies there. It does, however,

746
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: connect to larger Lake Ida, and you'll remember that's where

747
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: John has a cabin a small channel, but the d

748
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: n R has never stocked muskies in Lake Ida either.

749
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: They have stocked muskies in Lake Miltona, which connects to

750
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: the opposite side of Ida from Charlie. So I looked

751
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: this up on Google Maps, and that fish, that fish

752
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: made just a ridiculous journey because these are not like tiny,

753
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: little short channels where they connect right next to each other.

754
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: We're talking like fifty to a thousand foot long, super small,

755
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: little skinny water channels, each of which cuts through a

756
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: culvert under a county road. So this fish went on

757
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: like a serious walk about to get there, only to

758
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: be caught by biting and hanging onto a flasher transducer.

759
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: And if that story doesn't prove how cruel and callous

760
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 1: the fates of fishing are, I do not know what will. So. Okay,

761
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: so a couple of things here, right. First of all,

762
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: I hear you on the on the walk about, but

763
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't really know what I'm talking about here. But

764
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure musky grow fair slowly. So fish that

765
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: big it ain't young, right, So that part doesn't doesn't

766
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: freak me out, because if it's that big, it's had

767
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: a whole lot of time to get to where it

768
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: ended up. Right. But here's the other thing. If this

769
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: happened to me, say say I was the guy and

770
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: it bit the transducer and I pulled up this musky.

771
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: While I would be like, holy sh it, I can't

772
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: believe that just happened. It would not count as my

773
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: trophy musky. And I'm not I'm not saying that to

774
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: take away anything from these guys, but more in the

775
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: sense of, like, well, yeah, every once in a while,

776
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: this goofy stuff happens, And here's this impossible fish to

777
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 1: catch chewing on a transducer, But like, that's still not

778
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: even catching one by accident on smallmouth tackle or something.

779
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: It'd be awesome. I would love it, but I like,

780
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: I want to catch my big muskie fishing for a

781
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: big musk. And you know, I don't think these guys

782
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: are claiming like a big musky. They're telling it because

783
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 1: it's just crazy as story. And there's even one there's

784
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: one final thing. I gotta say that I just love

785
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: how many things had to come together to make this happen.

786
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: So uh. In the past, John has used a ten

787
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: inch auger to drill holes in the ice. But he

788
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: just recently bought a brand new Auger with a nine

789
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: inch blade and uh and he was quoted as saying,

790
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: if I had used my ten inch auger, you're Vex

791
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: Loomer would be gone. Well, you know, one one last

792
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: point of note, right, I think I think the part

793
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: we're missing here. It's one thing that he's chewing on

794
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: the transducer cable. But also, man, I know a lot

795
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: of captains, especially salty guys, that if they're at a

796
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: certain shallow depth, like say twenty ft of water or

797
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: less bottom fishing or whatever it is, they'll kill the

798
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: sonar because a lot of people believe that that ping,

799
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: that that signal actually screws with the fishing, you know,

800
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: in certain situations. So it's like another level to me

801
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: because here's this thing down there, like transmitting. You have

802
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: to wonder if there was something that tweaked that fish,

803
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: and like would it have hit it if it wasn't on,

804
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, or was like something about that signal put

805
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: an electromagnetic field in the water or something like that.

806
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just another one of those things

807
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: that that adds to how mysterious and complex A puzzle

808
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: it is with what fish will eat and when and why.

809
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: We can never figure it out, which is why we

810
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: keep doing it. Well, I'll have to put some electromagnets

811
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: on my musky flies or something. For the first time,

812
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: but hopefully not the last time. Here on fish News,

813
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna shut up and kind of kind of at

814
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: least past the mic to our buddy and meat eaters

815
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: fishing editors, Sam Longer. Now, Um, it's kind of like

816
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: how real news organs kick it to the guy in

817
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: the field to to bring some more light to a

818
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: very big story than Miles or I could bring it

819
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: on our own. Sam, what's going on? Man? Thanks for

820
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: thanks for i don't know, stopping doing real work and

821
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: coming to talk to us a little bit. It's nice

822
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: to have somebody here besides me and Miles for a

823
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: change in the news space. Well, thanks for pulling me

824
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: away from my real work to talk about some interesting stuff.

825
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this is technically we do have

826
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: you here to talk about your real work because because

827
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: this is one of those stories that uh, we weren't

828
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: able to cover and uh and shouldn't be covering because

829
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: it's super regionally focused and we need I mean, fact

830
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: is everybody we needed to bring in the big guns

831
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: and someone who was a local on this story. Otherwise

832
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: we would have looked like a bunch of jerks really

833
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: talking about by somebody where this hits close to home.

834
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: You know, it would be like Miles telling striper stories.

835
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: That just doesn't work. Yeah. Yeah, well Myles can always

836
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: be our our Hawaii correspondent, this is true. Yeah, we

837
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: have a lot to cover their really what like two

838
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: stories so far? Every um Anyway, with that, Sam's got

839
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: a really interesting piece for us. And uh, yeah, I

840
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: don't know everything you got, Sam, I know the basics

841
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to seeing what you bring. And

842
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: just to just to be clear, this ran on the

843
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: meat eater dot com. That's where this this all precipitates from.

844
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: Kah Sam. Yeah. So back in December, the Washington Department

845
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Speaker 1: of Fishing Wildlife announced that they aren't going to allow

846
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Speaker 1: anglers to fish for steel head out of boats on

847
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: most of the coastal rivers this season, as well as

848
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Speaker 1: banning bait and barbed hooks. But but that's nothing new.

849
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: So as a lot of people are probably aware, native

850
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: steel head runs have been in the shipter for the

851
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: last four years that I mean going back a lot

852
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: further than that, but like especially bad, and like even

853
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: and predicted to be even shittier this year. Um and

854
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: some folks are even speculating that these populations are on

855
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: the brink of extinction. But wdf W believes that they'll

856
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: be able to reduce the recreational catch rate by about

857
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: fifty with these new regulations. But obviously a lot of

858
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: people are super pissed about this, especially guides. They had

859
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: a protest parade through Forks a few weeks ago. A

860
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: change dot org petition to change these rules has gathered

861
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: five thousand signatures. And boats are basically how guided steelhead

862
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: trips work. The guide rows a driftboater raft right next

863
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: to or right on top of the prime holding lies,

864
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: and clients run through with plugs or drift gear, bobbers

865
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: and worms, bobber dog rigs, jigs, indicator, nim friggs, you

866
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: name it. But it's really effective. Uh. You know, one

867
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Speaker 1: study show that guided anglers on the Soul Duck caught

868
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: some eight percent of the steelhead caught in that river

869
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: that year. UM. So, as you mentioned, I wrote an

870
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: article about this for the Mediator website a few weeks ago,

871
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: and that got people a bit stirred up. But like

872
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: my message was this, you're in hiding right now, aren't you.

873
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: You're location you don't know, ab somewhere, safehouse, Yeah, witness

874
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: protection program. But I'm standing by my message, guys. And

875
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: my message was I think you don't like Washington's new rigs,

876
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: just you wait until the federal government gets involved. So

877
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: to take a step back, I caught my first winter

878
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: run steel head while skipping class during my senior year

879
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: of high school up in the Skadget River. Just two

880
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: months later. Two months later, the entire Puget Sound Distinct

881
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: population segment of steelhead were listed under the Endangered Species Act.

882
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: The Skatget didn't reopen for its world famous late winter

883
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: fishery for a decade and and still hit or miss

884
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: whether or not they'll have a season, and they're probably

885
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: not going to have one this year. And this guy

886
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: Comish that's still a Guamish. The snow Qualmy and a

887
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: shipload of other rivers that start with the letters still

888
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: haven't been reopened. The Washington Coast in Olympic Peninsula is

889
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: one of only four steel head meta populations in the

890
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 1: lower forty eight that haven't yet come under the umbrella

891
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: of the Feds. Pretty much everything else is listed under

892
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: the Endangered Species Act already, So they're a lot of

893
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: different factors at play with why steel head of runs

894
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: have fallen to fractions of a percent of their historical abundance. Yeah,

895
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: we've covered a ton of them on here, like that's

896
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: the frequent news item. Yeah, absolutely, And people people love

897
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: to speculate wildly about what it is. And and one

898
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: thing is for certain, it's never it's never anyone's it's

899
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: never that person's fault, right right, right, right right. I

900
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: don't know what's wrong, but it's not me. Yeah, yeah,

901
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: it's not it's not me. It couldn't be me. Having

902
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: read your story though, like the crux of what what

903
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: you're saying and what you know is that as harsh

904
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: as this is and as upsetting as it is to people,

905
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: it's it's it's better than having the federal government come

906
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: in and say nothing, no fishing, no, just shut it

907
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: down completely exactly. And I mean the Endangered Species Act

908
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: is designed to function it kind of as the iron

909
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: fist of the federal government slamming down to prevent extinction.

910
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: It's famously severe. I mean, like look at the controversy

911
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: that's been going around spotted outs for thirty years. But

912
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: it's also arguably effective if you look at species like

913
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: wolves that have been recently delisted. But that same severity

914
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: also makes it an effective deterrent. Like if you look

915
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: back at eleven states and groups as far apart as

916
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: environmentalists and oil developers and ranchers and hunters came together

917
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: to design plans to save the Greater Sage grouse throughout

918
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: the Inner Mountain West and then and then later that year,

919
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: when the U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service reviewed the

920
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: grouse for listing, they ruled them to be quote warranted

921
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: but precluded, which is basically an admission. That's a big problem.

922
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: But the states are on top of it, so they

923
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: can put their resources elsewhere. So that's exactly what Washington

924
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: is trying to do with his boat fishing band. And

925
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 1: you know, after publishing this article, my my name is

926
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: is kind of being trashed, like you know, from the

927
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: hump tulips to the hoe and back again. But like

928
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to pute this out to people, like

929
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: I don't love this rule either. You know, I would

930
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: ton of funds who are guides and I want to

931
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: see them continue making a living. But like, and this

932
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: rule messed up my own plans too. But I'm just

933
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: really worried that if an es A listing comes down,

934
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: this fishery is going to evaporate. And that's like not

935
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: a boogeyman thing, like there are some of the litigious

936
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: wild fish groups have already said that they're going to

937
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: petition the US Fish and Wildlife Service under a more

938
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: amenable Biden administration to list the coastal steel headstock and

939
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: you know what, like they're probably gonna get it. Yeah, Well,

940
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: so I just have I just have one question because

941
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: see this is not my world. Admittedly, right, I am

942
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: not as fluent on the West coast steel seen as

943
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: you guys are. But before we get into because we're

944
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: gonna be, I want I want you to read some

945
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: of the things people have saying, uh I've been saying

946
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: about you specifically. I believe you've you've queued up some

947
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: comments that we'll get into. But this is just a question.

948
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: We're out of ignorance. I mean, this system has been

949
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: in place elsewhere out there for a long time, like

950
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: the shoots. You cannot fish from a boat on the

951
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: shoots most of the Scheina system too. Yeah, yeah, you're

952
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: right right about the t shoots and like and like

953
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: Steelhead Valhalla in around Terrace, British Columbia, nobody fishes from

954
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: boats for steel head and haven't for a long time.

955
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: And and to clarify, it's not that you can't put

956
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: a boat on these rivers, you just can't fish out

957
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: of it. So like I experienced on two shoots, you

958
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: can use your boat to go from point A to

959
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: point B, but then you have to get out and

960
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: fish right correct correct, And and that's how a lot

961
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: of people already do it. And and and there's also

962
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: a valid argument to be made here that like, you know,

963
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: the the Boga Shield is not the the shoots. You know,

964
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: they're steep banks that are covered in rocks and moss,

965
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's very dangerous. A lot of the

966
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: a lot of the Steelhead seasons, the rivers will like

967
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: barely ever come into shape, like not be too muddy

968
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: to fish. And and so like a lot of people

969
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: are arguinging like what about elderly people, what about young people?

970
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: What about disabled anglers? And like I get that man,

971
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 1: and and and originally there weren't concessions for those people.

972
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: But I have heard that w df w IS is

973
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: changing their tune there, and so that's that's good to hear,

974
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: because like I've got buddies out there who are still

975
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: fishing and rowing people down the rivers and their seventies

976
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: and and and young folks and people who can't walk

977
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: well like that, I feel like, I feel like it's

978
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: very fair that the rules are a little bit different there,

979
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: but like the fact of the matter is, like w DFD,

980
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: but you had to do something, like the status quo

981
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: here has failed, and restricting recreational anglers is the only

982
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: tool they have available. They can't stop the Japanese High

983
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: Seas trawlers, they can't stop the tribes, they can't stop

984
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: warm water in the North Pacific, and and then and

985
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: these rules have been getting more and more restrictive for decades.

986
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: So like, if you didn't see this coming or something

987
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: like this coming, you just haven't been paying attention. And

988
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: the last thing I want to say is kind of

989
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: where we're coming from here, where I'm from coming from here,

990
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: I suppose it's like it's a big part of our

991
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: ethos at meat Eater to have respect for and deference

992
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: to biologists and wildlife managers. They have a tough job,

993
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: and too many hunters and anglers have shipped talked to

994
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: them for too long. Like, I'm not happy about this decision,

995
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: but I understand why it was made, and I hesitate

996
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: to second guess a game agency that's trying to save

997
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: a game species from extinction. And there have been public

998
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: forums and public comment periods throughout all of this process,

999
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: but very few people were willing to tune in until

1000
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: something happened that they didn't like. So, Like, the last

1001
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: thing I want to say to anybody who who who

1002
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: hates me over this is like, if you don't like

1003
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: this rule, I get involved in the process and be

1004
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: part of the solution. Yelling at me is not going

1005
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: to accomplish anything. And I just really don't feel like

1006
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: steel has steel Head owe us anything like, but we

1007
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: owe the steel Head like all we can do to

1008
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: keep them around, and we like definitely owe it to

1009
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: the generations to follow. Like my best friend, one of

1010
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: my best friends who have been fishing steel Head with

1011
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: for fifteen years, had a son this year and he

1012
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: is convinced that his son won't be able to fish

1013
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: native steel head with us on the Olympic Peninsula, and

1014
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: that breaks my heart, man. And I just I just

1015
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: feel like, I feel like, you know, at least at

1016
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: least they're trying, at least at least some measure of

1017
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: attempt is being made to save these fish. Yeah. And

1018
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: I think I think a couple of things that we

1019
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: got thrown here before we before we close out. One,

1020
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: if you if you don't know anything about this particular

1021
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: subculture of of anglers in this particular area, they might

1022
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: be the most divided and angry group of fishermen that

1023
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: I've ever come across, too, And that's that's important for

1024
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: those of you who don't know about this. The other

1025
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: thing is is in your article that I read, you know,

1026
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: on on some of those systems, all these fish are

1027
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: getting caught at least once, and some of them are

1028
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: getting caught multiple times, right according to the statistics. And

1029
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: I think that's an important point throw out. It's like

1030
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: the escapement is getting past the nets, but they're all

1031
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: getting caught and released by anglers and that has an impact.

1032
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: And and before we let you go, because we want

1033
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: you to tell us some of the awful hate mail

1034
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: that you've gotten, because we find that entertaining. But I

1035
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: should point out that three different friends of mine after

1036
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: reading your article reached out to me and and like

1037
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: said straight up, like, hey, man, is Sam okay? Is

1038
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: someone is anyone gonna are people who had heard him? So,

1039
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: like I think before we close out saying, why don't you,

1040
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: why don't you give us an example of the kind

1041
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: of crazy feedback you're getting from people and how upset

1042
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: they are because you were trying to tell this what

1043
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: I consider to be a journalistic story about the state

1044
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: of things. Yeah, and you know, and before I do that,

1045
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: Miles and I am okay, and thanks for asking, Um,

1046
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,959
Speaker 1: but right now, because nobody knows where you are right yeah,

1047
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: the safe house. Um. But you know, I I heard

1048
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: from one of the top guides out there the other

1049
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: day and I was totally expect DM to thrash me.

1050
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: And we had a really great conversation about this and

1051
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: found a lot of middle ground. And so I do

1052
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: believe that a lot of rational people are kind of

1053
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: seeing what's happening here in its totality, not just kind

1054
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: of what's in front of their face, and I have

1055
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: gotten more positive comments than negative. Just read the negative.

1056
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: Just read the negative. We were happy to hear that,

1057
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: but we want to hear the train wrecord. So this

1058
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: fella said, you ever research South American king salmon and

1059
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: how they got there? I mean really researched it. See,

1060
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: you are spewing propaganda and a rhetoric dot dot. The

1061
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: simple problem is there aren't brought steel head. The simple

1062
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: solution all caps more steel head. Furthermore, w DFW is

1063
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: funded yearly by Federal Endangered Species moneies. Therefore they would

1064
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: go bankrupt if wildfish ever came back. Also researched the

1065
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: quinnult misspelled. It is amazing how they get off sime

1066
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: returns on all these warm weather years and with all

1067
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: the bad nets. Quinlt is the best steel head fishery

1068
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: in the entire Pacific Northwest. And he closes by saying

1069
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: something distasteful about my friend and employer, Stephen Ronnello that

1070
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: I would rather not repeat. I think we shouldn't. We

1071
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: got time for one more. You got one more, just short,

1072
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: really cutting good one, whether the spellings right or not.

1073
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: I also got this one bullshit. I live in Washington

1074
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: State and we have hogs for steel Head. I catch

1075
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: them all the time and avoid game officers while I

1076
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 1: take a picture of them and put them back. Well,

1077
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: I can't argue with that kind of science. We can.

1078
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: We could spend so much more time reading those shorties,

1079
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 1: because I'm sure there's some good ones. But um, dude,

1080
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: it's it's a great article. It was an important article,

1081
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: and we're happy that you came on to talk to

1082
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: us about it here. I'm also gonna say Phil that

1083
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: Sam is eligible for a win this week. I think

1084
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: I think any any one of us could win based

1085
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: on the work we've done here, and um, you know,

1086
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be me or you Joe, but Phil,

1087
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: you make your choice. Agreed. We'll see what Phil has

1088
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: to say, and then we're gonna move into trivia with

1089
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: our good buddy Robert Hawkins. For obvious reasons, Sam Londren,

1090
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: you're the winner of fish News. But Miles, don't sell

1091
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: your story short I mean it had everything, suspense, mystery, action,

1092
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: put that all together, and you've got to stow go on.

1093
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: You've gotta be highly skilled for these shows. You understand

1094
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: that you're well versed there. You're very smart men, all right,

1095
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: joining us today to play a little trivia. My good buddy,

1096
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: Mr Robert Hawkins, owner of Bob Mitchell's Fly Shop in St. Paul, Minnesota,

1097
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: Bobby nachos As you're knowing, How are you doing, my friend?

1098
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: We are we are doing well. We're gonna have a

1099
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: little fun today. UM. So just just to fill everybody in, UH,

1100
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: the month was November, the year when you, sir, caught

1101
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: a fifty seven in muskie on mill Axe Lake on

1102
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: the fly, claiming the current world record fly caught muskie.

1103
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: And you and I over the years have talked about

1104
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: this ad nauseum, and you've talked to so many other

1105
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: people about it. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that

1106
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: you were tired of talking about it. Fair to say,

1107
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about it now either. This

1108
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: is just the jumping off point for your first trivia

1109
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: question today. I hope that you are ready to play. UH.

1110
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: At just north of one hundred and thirty two thousand acres,

1111
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: mill As is the second largest lake in Minnesota, and

1112
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: I'd say it has a pretty solid reputation as a

1113
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: top fishing destination, not just in your home state, but

1114
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: also around the country. Would you agree with that. Okay,

1115
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: So the question is how many current Minnesota state record

1116
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: fish do you think we're plucked from the mighty waters

1117
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: of Malax? Is it a eleven, B, four C, zero

1118
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: or D one. I'm gonna say four four, So you're

1119
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: going you're going low number there. Um. If that's your

1120
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: final answer, that is incorrect, then the answer is zero. Wow.

1121
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: Presently there are no state record fish uh in Minnesota

1122
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: from from Malax, which I found very interesting because it's

1123
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: one of the most heavily fished bodies of wa are

1124
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: there and I hear all kinds of good things. But

1125
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: a quick follow up to that, I happen to notice

1126
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: while doing research that Minnesota's current state record muskie measured

1127
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: fifty six inches and wide fifty four pounds and has

1128
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: stood since ninety seven from winn of Gosh. And I'm

1129
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: sure you know all about that, but I mean, dude,

1130
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: technically you beat that on the fly. And I understand

1131
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: you had no intention in keeping that fish, but had you,

1132
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: you would hold the state record spot right now? Would

1133
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: you not? Potentially? The thing with Minnesota as they do

1134
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: it by weight and not by length and the girth

1135
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: on that on the wind of a gotious fish may

1136
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: have outdone my fish by maybe a pound or two.

1137
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: So mine may have been a pound or two short

1138
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: of what that fish wade, uh if that makes sense. Okay,

1139
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: So we'll never know, but the potential definitely exists. Yeah,

1140
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean it was for Minnesota's state record fish to

1141
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: be fly caught. Okay, that's impressive. That's that. Okay, all right,

1142
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: so we'll get off the record fish. We'll go to

1143
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: another video that you were in, because there's there's awesome

1144
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: video of that fish being caught. But there's another clip

1145
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: out there. In fact, we used it in the promo

1146
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 1: video to announce the launch of Bent, in which you

1147
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: were being filmed in the final throws and cleaning a

1148
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: yetti cooler in which beef jerky sandwich is another sort

1149
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: of edibles had been marinating with the lid clothes for

1150
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: what was it, two months, two weeks something like that,

1151
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: at least, well at least a couple of three weeks.

1152
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: But my garage gets My garage is like a hundred

1153
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: and twenty degrees in the summer, so maybe two weeks

1154
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: a hundred, two weeks and a hundred and and it's

1155
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: jerky sandwich is anything was there, anything else was in there?

1156
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: I want to I want to know what those contents

1157
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: were that created such a putrid, epic dry heaves. You know,

1158
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: there's always loose potato chips with water slashing around. Um,

1159
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: there's you know, half spilled beers usually in there. Um,

1160
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: probably some grapes that which thought we were going to

1161
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: eat to be healthy, but didn't. You know, I've never

1162
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: heard somebody wretch quite like that. We might have to

1163
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: repost that on our on our social mind. I think

1164
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: we do. I think we do. And it sounds to

1165
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: me like a primordial soup, like you might have actually

1166
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: spawned some new creatures, new life that never before existed

1167
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: on this planet came out of that cooler. It's so

1168
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: unfortunate what Aaron missed, Like all the that was, like

1169
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: the he in the video, it was so much more

1170
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: before that, even too came across. So this is kind

1171
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: of a goofy little question, but we're all going to

1172
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: learn something from it. So based on that experience. Which

1173
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: of the following is not recommended for use in removing

1174
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: foul odor from your cooler? A charcoal, catts, be baby powder,

1175
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: see cat litter, d baking soda to those is not

1176
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: recommended for removing incredibly foul odors from For the record,

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01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't know the answers to these either, so I'm

1178
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: puzzling over this as much as you are. Well, I'm

1179
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: gonna say, I mean charcoal's I'm gonna say cat litter

1180
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: because it probably has some sort of like chemical in

1181
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: it that's not supposed to be in your cooler. Maybe

1182
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: Actually the made up one here is be baby powder.

1183
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: All the rest are recommended, at least on the interwebs,

1184
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: for removing rank odor from your cooler. However, I will

1185
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: say the most common one, the one I see use

1186
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: most any guesses. No bleach is disinfecting. We're just talking

1187
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: about like there's like such an embedded stink like you're

1188
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: just trying to get odor out, not necessarily disinfect And yes, charcoal,

1189
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: charcoal or cats so uh. Fun fact, if if you

1190
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: ever have a mishap like Mr Hawkins here, get you

1191
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: some of them Kingsford filled that sucker up, close the

1192
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: lid and let it marinate for a few days. Anyway,

1193
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: this has been really fun, and we thank you so

1194
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: much for playing today. Thank you enthusiasm. That's what we

1195
01:04:50,040 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: like here on Bent do I think we I think

1196
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: we need to bring back and re share that video

1197
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: of Hawkins dry heating over the cooler because it's, uh,

1198
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: it's just so gross and guttural, and yet it's informative.

1199
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: There's a lesson there. There's a lesson there, but less there. Yeah,

1200
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: it's a quick lesson at the end. We'll reshare the

1201
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: video this week, um At. Speaking of guttural right, I

1202
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: once fished a lore that made me make guttural noises

1203
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: and also made me dry heath Ala Hawkins. I learned

1204
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: that just this week. Something I learned from from this

1205
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: week's end of line segment. So Joe's Joe's gonna mimic

1206
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: his good friend Bobby Nacho's there, and he's gonna get

1207
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: all gross and guttural and informative. He's gonna give you

1208
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: some tips on what you should never do when getting

1209
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: into the chopper in the Amazon. Well, that's not loud enough, Burt,

1210
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: Perhaps up, you're very familiar with the wood shopper. It's

1211
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: also very possible you've never heard of it. I liken

1212
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: this lure to a great band with a devout cult

1213
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,439
Speaker 1: following that tried to get a major label record deal

1214
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: for decades, only to eventually burn out, leaving a smattering

1215
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: of even lesser known cover bands in its wake. The

1216
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: wood Shopper is a top water hardbeat, and while they've

1217
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,919
Speaker 1: been made in many sizes, the six to eight inch

1218
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: models were the most common. The design is rather simple.

1219
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: You've got a painted cigar shaped body, and at the tail,

1220
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: between that body and the rear treble hook is an

1221
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: oversized metal double blade propeller. Like many baits featured here,

1222
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: there is some haze and mark to the story of

1223
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: the wood Shopper, but my research points to it being

1224
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: an original creation of Ozark mountain Lures. It debuted in

1225
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties and was primarily marketed as a muskie bait.

1226
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: Ozark's design actually featured a propeller at the head and

1227
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: the tail, and while there's not tons of info on

1228
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: the inner webs about these early versions, I get the

1229
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: sense that, aside from catch muskies, these top orders became sleepers,

1230
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: if you will, for giant large mouth bass as well.

1231
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: The wood shopper was designed to be versatile. You could

1232
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: steadily real one in making those blades buzz in the

1233
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: body wake. You could slow roll a chopper to create

1234
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: a lazy bubble trail, or you could violently snap a

1235
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: wood chopper to make a rip saw racket on the surface.

1236
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: And it's that last dance move that pushes our story forward.

1237
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: The wood shoppers design has arguably inspired and influenced many

1238
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: other successful baits, perhaps most notably the Whopper Flopper. But

1239
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: just as my beloved misfits inspired bands like Metallica that

1240
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: would go on and have platinum records and make billions

1241
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: of dollars, the wood shopper by itself never really achieved superstardom. Still,

1242
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: Lard Jensen owner Phil Jensen saw potential and purchase the

1243
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: wood chopper design from Ozark Mountain loures In. Once Lar

1244
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: Jensen took over, they quickly got rid of that front propeller.

1245
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: In the late eighties and early nineties, peacock bass fishing

1246
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: in the Amazon was getting more and more attention from

1247
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: a American anglers, and what they learned was at the

1248
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: sound of a wood schopper being jerked across the surface

1249
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: and mock one bursts created an auditory kill queue for

1250
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: monster peacocks better than anything else. Now I'm guessing here,

1251
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 1: but removing the front prop created less resistance, allowing early

1252
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: pioneers to rip those choppers a little harder and a

1253
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: little faster. Shortly after Aller Jensen purchased the wood chopper

1254
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: and angler by the name of Doc Lawson broke the

1255
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: all tackle world record for peacocks with a twenty seven

1256
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: pounder using the lore. In short order, Allergens and wood

1257
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: chopper became standard kit for Amazon peacock hunters looking for

1258
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,520
Speaker 1: big dogs. In fact, is one piece I read suggested

1259
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,879
Speaker 1: if you showed up in the Amazon without wood choppers,

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Speaker 1: you who are labeled a complete novice. Throughout the nineties

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Speaker 1: and into the early two thousands, between the rise of

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Speaker 1: the Internet and more lodge operations opening in South America,

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Speaker 1: peacock fishing in the Amazon slowly more from a game

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Speaker 1: for the rich and fortunate two pretty affordable to more people,

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Speaker 1: and the wood shoppers reputation as the trophy peacock lure

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Speaker 1: only strengthened, but it didn't strengthen enough. Apparently. In two

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Speaker 1: thousand six, Phil Jensen sold his entire company to wrap them,

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Speaker 1: and by two thousand eleven, the Lard Jensen wood schopper

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Speaker 1: was out of production. Because despite the lure's prominence in

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Speaker 1: the peacock scene. The small market of Amazon bound anglers

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Speaker 1: simply generated too little money to justify its place in

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Speaker 1: the catalog, and by then it seemed nobody was really

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Speaker 1: using a wood shopper for anything but peacock bass. I

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Speaker 1: finally got to the Amazon, and sure enough there wasn't

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Speaker 1: Allergensen wood shopper anywhere in sight. But as it often

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Speaker 1: goes with defunct plugs, a small batchmaker steps in to

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Speaker 1: fill the void. The lodge I stayed at set us

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Speaker 1: up with rip rollers, pretty much carbon copies of wood

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Speaker 1: shoppers made by high roller Lures out of Gainesville, Florida. Now,

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Speaker 1: having spent years watching videos of massive peacocks crushing shoppers,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't wait to fish them. But then I did

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Speaker 1: a very dumb thing. My first night at the lodge,

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Speaker 1: Me and the fellas got our drank on and we

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Speaker 1: failed to drink any water between the adult BEVs. So

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Speaker 1: the next morning, while my excitement overrode any hangover, and

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Speaker 1: I was pretty bright eyed and bushy tail, when I

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Speaker 1: made my first cast with a rip roller and started chugging,

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Speaker 1: things took a turn harder, sir, is all our guide said,

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Speaker 1: So I ripped that lord harder, more hard, sir, he said,

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Speaker 1: after my second retrieve, And that's when I realized to

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Speaker 1: work a roller a shopper like you're supposed to, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna burn out the arms and shoulders. Now, normally I'd

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Speaker 1: say bring the pain, but within an hour the remnant booze,

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Speaker 1: dehydration and degree heat at the equator caught up to

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Speaker 1: me and I about collapsed with my head spinning. I

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Speaker 1: slugged three waters back to back and then fought to

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Speaker 1: keep those down, and then I think I just kind

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Speaker 1: of laid on the deck for a good long while

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Speaker 1: until I recovered lesson, learned about hard liquor in the Amazon,

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Speaker 1: and side note, I fished that rip roller right proper

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the trip, And while I stuck

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Speaker 1: a couple, my biggest peacock, a thirteen founder, hit a

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Speaker 1: big storm chug bug, which I probably could have worked

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Speaker 1: effectively being like full blown Lemmy drunk. So that's all

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Speaker 1: the time we have this week. If you happen to

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Speaker 1: just fast forward through the entire show and just to

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Speaker 1: this very spot, you missed a deep dive into Carl

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Speaker 1: Weathers that any's biography could not touch with a ten

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Speaker 1: don't miss out on your chance to be on this show.

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Speaker 1: hi right in, say what's up? Or you guys suck

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Speaker 1: eyes on those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags. You

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Speaker 1: that way too. Yeah. And once you realize your minimal

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Speaker 1: fishing successes aren't producing a graham worthy shot that catches

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Speaker 1: our attention, and you're gonna give that shoot up, You're

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Speaker 1: gonna concentrate on golf. Finally, I've been waiting for a

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Speaker 1: happy Gilmore reference this entire episode