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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number forty

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Speaker 1: nine Taylor Show. We're joined by Outdoor Life magazine editor

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Speaker 1: in chief Andrew McKean, and we're discussing how to make

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Speaker 1: a living in the outdoor industry. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast. And today, as I mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 1: we're going to be chatting about making a living in

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Speaker 1: the outdoor industry. And I want to chat about this

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Speaker 1: today for a couple of reasons. You know, First, I

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Speaker 1: get dozens of emails and messages from readers and listeners

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Speaker 1: who are looking for advice related to getting a job

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Speaker 1: in this industry. And I've chatted with a whole lot

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Speaker 1: more out there at shows and just on the streets about,

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Speaker 1: you know, chasing that same dream. It's a dream that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have but don't necessarily know how

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Speaker 1: to go after. So I want to, first and foremost

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Speaker 1: today offer a resource and some helpful advice to those

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Speaker 1: of you who are hoping to take that path. Now.

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Speaker 1: In addition, to that too. This also seemed to be

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Speaker 1: a good time to talk about this because the most

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Speaker 1: recent issue of Outdoor Life magazine, which we talked about

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Speaker 1: last week a little bit um, is focused on this

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Speaker 1: very thing, very thing you know, They're how to issue,

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Speaker 1: which is this month, is profiling six different people making

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Speaker 1: a living in the outdoor industry. So we wanted to

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Speaker 1: bring Outdoor Lifes editor in chief Andrew McKean on the

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Speaker 1: show today to discuss these profiles and share his own

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Speaker 1: story about how he's been able to make a living

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Speaker 1: in this space too. So it's it's definitely gonna be

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Speaker 1: an interesting conversation. I'm looking forward to it. Maybe I

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Speaker 1: can share a little bit of my own experiences and

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Speaker 1: hopefully Dan too. But Dan, what do you think about

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Speaker 1: this whole this whole conversation. Well, it's it's a very

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Speaker 1: interesting conversation because if you wanna, I don't know, I joined,

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Speaker 1: if you want to say, the hunting industry in about

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Speaker 1: two thousand and six, and and then then I've been

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Speaker 1: a part of the you know, the video side of it.

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Speaker 1: I've been a part of the product side of it,

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Speaker 1: you know, the video sponsorship side, the products side of it,

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Speaker 1: working for someone who has you know, tried to you know,

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Speaker 1: establish a product in the hunting industry, and then also

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Speaker 1: starting over the year ago, starting the nine Finger Chronicles.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've kind of seen a lot of um,

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Speaker 1: a lot of things come and gone see, seeing some

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Speaker 1: things that the UM hunting industry and the good and

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Speaker 1: bad things of the hunting hunting industry, as I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you have as well, you know, and I have friends

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Speaker 1: who are taxidermist and who also work for other hunting

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Speaker 1: companies via like a media company or a product company.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things to talk about, and

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Speaker 1: like always, we probably won't get through all of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's very true, but I think you're spot on and

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Speaker 1: that there's just it's a huge topic UM, and there's

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Speaker 1: these different things I've done. But I'm I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: talk to Andrew because he'll bring a whole another perspective,

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Speaker 1: you know, the traditional print UM experience. And then he

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Speaker 1: And then also given his position to outdoor life, Andrew

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about this because it's just one

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Speaker 1: of those things that you hear so many people talk about.

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Speaker 1: I would love to work on the hunting industry, I'd

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Speaker 1: many people settle. This is just my personal opinion, but

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Speaker 1: I think if more people did that, there'll be a

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Speaker 1: flip side of that, you also have to you also

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Speaker 1: on camera, I'll get sponsors, and I'll hunt, you know,

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Speaker 1: You have to find a unique way to position yourself.

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Speaker 1: Let's get Andrew on the phone. All right Here with

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Speaker 1: us on the line is Andrew McKean from Outdoor Life.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Andrew, Thanks Mark, it's nice to

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Speaker 1: be here. Yeah, we ah, me and Dan. We're just

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Speaker 1: interested to hear about um. And you know, Damn. I

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Speaker 1: And in fact, it may be more useful to kind

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Speaker 1: I've never been a real linear person who said that's

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Speaker 1: the job for me here, that's what I want do.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of us in this outdoors world

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Speaker 1: and I grew up on a farm in North Missouri. Um.

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Speaker 1: editor in chief set at the time, this this thanks

433
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 1: for everybody involved except for you McKean, and I took

434
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: Jim's job. So that's how I came on board as

435
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 1: the staff or for Outdoor Life. And like I said, Jim,

436
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 1: I had good friends. We laugh about it now. It

437
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 1: was awful, but um, it was great for me. So

438
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 1: I became a staff member for Outdoor Life. And what

439
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: that means is I was actually employee of the magazine

440
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 1: that's the brand. Um. One of my conditions for it,

441
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 1: and I didn't have to make the argument too hard,

442
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: was look, the Hunting editor doesn't and shouldn't live in

443
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 1: New York City, where the magazine is published and where

444
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: the offices are the main offices. So I made the

445
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 1: case that I thought I should be in the field,

446
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: and what better place than where I currently lived, which,

447
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, is kind of a sports in paradise

448
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: at eastern Montana. We's got unbelievable elkin insoury river breaks,

449
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 1: We've got great white tails on the Milk River. We've

450
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: got great mule deer, we've got big point hunt moves

451
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 1: come down from Canada pretty frequently here, and and it's

452
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: it's it's phenomenal. Um. The folks who hired An agreed,

453
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 1: and so I had a staff job and lived in

454
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: the field, which really is the great goal of any

455
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 1: outdoor writer is to be employed. It was, you know,

456
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: a permanent job, but to get to live in the field.

457
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 1: And so I really found myself backing my lucky stars,

458
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 1: and I still do every day. So from there I

459
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 1: basically worked my lamps and mast head. Um. And now

460
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: here I am. I'm still hiding edit here, but I'm

461
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: also in charge of brand from Glasgow, Montea. Yeah, I

462
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: think I take away. I'm taking a couple of things

463
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 1: away from this, Andrew. Number one, I think Dan and

464
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: I are both very jealous of where you live. Let's

465
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: let's put that right up there, because that sounds incredible.

466
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: Eastern Montana is, like you've said, an unbelievable sportsman's paradise,

467
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: and we would both love to experience something like that,

468
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: So that though out of the way, I think something

469
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 1: I know is here is you you have this position

470
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: now that's you know, this incredible job that a lot

471
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 1: of people would aspire towards. But I think you started

472
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: somewhere much different from that, and you kind of took

473
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: advantage of different opportunities along the way to work your

474
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 1: way up that ladder. But like you mentioned, serendipity definitely

475
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: plays apart. So I think there's something to be said about,

476
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, maybe not being able to get that dream

477
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: job right off the bat, but getting your foot in

478
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: the door and then taking advantage of opportunities as you

479
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: go along the way. That's something that I think i've

480
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: you know, seen in my own personal life and trajectory,

481
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: and it seems that certainly was the case for you.

482
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: Um But for you, if you were to look back

483
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: at your career path, what do you think was really

484
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: the key to your success? If you had to pin

485
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: it down on one or two things that you think,

486
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, really helped you get to where you are

487
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: now and make a living doing something you love, what

488
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 1: would you say those one or two most important things were,

489
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: you know? I ask a good question. First of all,

490
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: I think hankers too. I really think growing up on

491
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 1: a farm, a Midwestern farm, was the essence of who

492
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: I am. I mean, I'm a rural person. Um. I

493
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: grew up in a place where I mean, wildlife was

494
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: a condition of the landscape, and just as a place

495
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: where I wasn't constrained by asking permission from anybody to

496
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: just go learning wrong and explore an adventure. Uh. You

497
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: know some my wild places it's the Midwest, but I

498
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: mean there are some really wild places in North Missouri,

499
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: and and just to explore moment I really made me

500
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: passionate about the outdoors. The second thing I would say

501
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: is um so a little harder to articulate, but it's

502
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: the authenticity. So I love to hunt the fish. Um.

503
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: I would be doing that regardless of whether I had

504
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: this job, And I think that's important to keep in mind.

505
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: I see a lot of people who aspire to what do,

506
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: who want to just automatically and immediately start writing about

507
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: it and expressing themselves in media. That's great, and that's

508
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: the way to make a living, for sure, But I

509
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: feel pretty strongly that you have to just go where

510
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: there's no camera, where there's no pen and paper or

511
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: expectation that you're going to produce a story and just

512
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: go immerse yourself in the experience. And the more of

513
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: that you can do, the more authentic your knowledge is

514
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: going to be, so that when you do right or

515
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: broadcast or create content, it's coming from the place of

516
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: experience and not second hand. I think that's really important.

517
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: I see an awful lot of people who know way

518
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: more than I do about um tree stand hunting or

519
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: about food plots, but you put them in empty landscape

520
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: of the Missouri or brakes may have no idea how

521
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: to start hunting. Yeah, I think it makes a lot

522
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: of sense now since you since you bring this up,

523
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about a hold. You know

524
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: all the different opportunities within the outdoor industry, but you

525
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: you mentioned media, which of course is where you have

526
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: the most experience. For that guy or girl out there

527
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: who who wants to make a living in the outdoor

528
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: industry from a media standpoint, you mentioned first step is

529
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: immersed yourself in the actual activity itself. But what would

530
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: you recommend is that next step for a guy who

531
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: wants to write, or wants to film, or wants to

532
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: do something anything. On the media side, Um, what would

533
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: you What would you say? Is the next thing these

534
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: people need to be thinking about as they start taking

535
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: these first steps into the industry, I would say, And

536
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: there's there's probably two points. So I think the mainline though,

537
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: is to express yourself well, whether you're doing it on

538
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: camera or on the written or in the written word,

539
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: to be able to to translate that authentic experience into

540
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: something that universally appealing and accessible to an audience is

541
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,959
Speaker 1: really key. So just the ability to to articulate yourself

542
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: is really important. Ah, I don't think it's more important

543
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: than the authenticity, but I don't think it's less important,

544
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: because you can have all of the authentic experiences you want,

545
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: but if you can't articulate them, then you're not a communicator.

546
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: The other standpoint, you can be a great communicator, but

547
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: if you don't have that basis of experience, then you

548
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: don't want anything to say. So really, I can give

549
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: twin sides of the same issue, and I think that's

550
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: what I look for when I look for your contributors

551
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: and for people who I want to have right for me,

552
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 1: I want them to have most of those things who

553
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: wanted to have authentic experiences told well, yeah, well that

554
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: that is something that it's so it sounds so simple,

555
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's something that it takes

556
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: a lot more than it sounds like to really put together.

557
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: So a couple more questions than taking a step back

558
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: about you specifically, and then I want to dive into

559
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: a little bit more about the recent outdoor life issue

560
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: and the different opportunities people might have in the industry.

561
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: Back to you, what would you say, you know, given

562
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: your wide variety of experiences now in the industry, both

563
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: from working from a game agency to working now for

564
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: outdoor Life and everything between, what do you think is

565
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: your favorite thing about working in the outdoor industry? And

566
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: then on the other hand, what would you say is

567
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: the worst thing about working in this industry? Oh, that's

568
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: a good question. I think the best thing is our

569
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: responsibility to the resource. And I know that sounds pretty

570
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: kind of really and maybe a little bit sappy, but

571
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: it is all we have at the end of the day, well,

572
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: writing and communicating about a perishable It's a renewable resource,

573
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: but it's a fragile resource. And that I mean that

574
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: is the wildlife resources of America. And you know, we

575
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: got here on the backs of people who put an

576
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: awful lot of themselves, um, sweat and blood and time

577
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: into ensuring that we've got honorable populations. I think we

578
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: tend to lose track of that every now and then.

579
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: You know, we take for granted what we love to

580
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: go pursue without really thinking about what we need to

581
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: do to give back to the resource as well. That's

582
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: always in the back of my mind when I'm putting

583
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: down an issue, our conservation obligation. You know, it can

584
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: sound medicitional. It can sound sort of like a blah

585
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: blah blah, you know, like eat your vegetables. But it

586
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be that way. You know, when you

587
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: start to strip away, you know kind of the layers

588
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: of jeez, why can we hunt turkeys? And how do

589
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: we hunt turkeys? And where does our license money go?

590
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still a very lively and alive obligation

591
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: that we have. The worst thing is the commercialism of it.

592
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: I mean, the sound is pretty contradictory. You know, here

593
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: we are here, we are talking about making a living

594
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: in the outdoors. Don't forget the first danger of our

595
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: wildlife resources century ago, were the people who literally made

596
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: their money off of the resource by market and I

597
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: think we need to keep in mind that UM kind

598
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 1: of goes back to that first statement. We have an

599
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: obligation to the resource not to exploit it, and I

600
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: get I worry just a little bit sometimes that we

601
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: go over the edge in terms of exploiting the wildlife

602
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: resource with just commercializing it and making an industry out

603
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: of something that's a public resource and it really has

604
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: to be carefully managed by the public. It's a very

605
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: fine line, isn't it. Yeah, it is, but but it's doable.

606
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think as long as we're aware of

607
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: that line, UM, that's half the battle. So true. I

608
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: think that I think the two things you mentioned right

609
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: there are two of the things that have been equally

610
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: important to me too. Is really the care and the

611
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: remembering how important how fragile resources, And like you said,

612
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: I feel like it's an obligation of anyone working within

613
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: this space too to realize, Hey, we are making a

614
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: living related to this, and therefore it's definitely rble obligation

615
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: to make sure we're giving back to that UM and

616
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: and allowing that to be an opportunity there that's there

617
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 1: for people for for years and years to come, are

618
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: grandchildren children. Um. I like this line of questioning though,

619
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: of the pros and the cons of the outdoor industry

620
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people look at this

621
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: from the outside and say, wow, that's that's the dream.

622
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: But there there are some harsh real there are. Like

623
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: any job, right, there are downsides, and you mentioned one

624
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: of them there Andrew. Um. But I'm curious to get Dan.

625
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear your perspective, Dan, because you've got

626
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: to work in the outdoor industry a little bit from

627
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: another side. You've worked for a company producing a hunting product. Um.

628
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: So from your standpoint, Dan, real quick, can you share

629
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: what you think your favorite part of being involved in

630
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: the industry, whether it's the media or the product side,

631
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: and then your favorite and your least favorite thing? Well

632
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: from the product side, Um, you know, it's almost like

633
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: another job. You know, you have a you have a product,

634
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: you gotta get it sold. So as as I was

635
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: the vice president of sales and marketing, and in that role,

636
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: your job is to make money selling the product. So

637
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, you get you get a talk with Cabela's

638
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: and Bass Pro shops and and all the other big

639
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: box stores or even further further than that, the dealers

640
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: and uh and and that, and that's cool, And a

641
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: lot of people don't really associate that, even though it is,

642
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: they don't really associate that as being in the hunting

643
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: industry because it's really just another job. You know, it

644
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily allow me to hunt or fish more than

645
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: I already did. It just it was a job for

646
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: a company that marketed itself in the hunting industry. So

647
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, the positives were you know, I got to

648
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: I got to meet a lot of interesting people and

649
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: um and in a way help I guess, I guess

650
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to stay here is it's it's like

651
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 1: who you know. I don't want to say it's all

652
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: about who you know, But you get to meet a

653
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: lot of people. And because you get a lot of

654
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: meet meet a lot of people, there are opportunities there

655
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: um that present at themselves and then it's up to

656
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: you to take advantage of them or not. UM that

657
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: that's that's that's from a product side. And as you know,

658
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: I also did um DVDs. You know, I was in

659
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: a DVD for about eight years and we did a

660
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: web show as well, and uh, you know, just just

661
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: again I come back to the people, like I got

662
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: to meet a lot of great people, um who you know,

663
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: we're very concerned about the resource, you know, just like

664
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: Andrew said, and I mean and just and just being

665
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: able to capture my moments for the rest of my

666
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: life and being able to show them to my kids

667
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: and grandkids. Like here, here's the very first dough I

668
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: ever shot. You know, it was caught on camera. Or

669
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: here's a big buck that I shot, or here's the

670
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: big buck that I missed. You know, those kind of experiences,

671
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, are are captured on film, and uh that

672
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: that's kind of neat as well. Definitely, definitely, Now what

673
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: would you say would be a potential downside of your

674
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: experience though, I'll tell you what the hunting industry is

675
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: is tricky, and it has its positives and its negatives.

676
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: And I think one of the negatives is it it's

677
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: it has become very commercialized, just like any other just

678
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: like any other industry, you know, like sports related or whatnot.

679
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: But you know, it's I don't know, I see a

680
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: lot of negativity in the and you know, it's it's

681
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: it's very hard to explain unless you've been there and

682
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: been able to observe it yourself. But you know, people

683
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: jumping back and forth saying, you know, you know, I

684
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: use this product or I use that product, and not

685
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: really caring at all about the animal that they're hunting.

686
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: They're doing it because it makes them a dollar at

687
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: the end of the day, and they're not concerned about

688
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: the animals life that they're taking. And that just kind

689
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: of rubs me the wrong way. Not showing any emotion

690
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: to taking a life and looking at the dollar sign.

691
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: That that drives me. You know, that drives me crazy

692
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: a bit. Yeah, I think you and me both. That's

693
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: definitely one of the things that as the industry has

694
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: grown and the media continues to grow, there's definitely that

695
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: that happens. Um and we've talked about that a lot

696
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: in the past. Um really quick before I jumped back

697
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: to Andrew. One other from my perspective, one thing I

698
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: found that I think people should keep in mind when

699
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: it comes to working the outdoor industry is great. The

700
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: thing that we all dream about is you join up,

701
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: you join the outdoor industry, and you get to hunt

702
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: and fish all the time. And that's what you love

703
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: to do, and yes, you know, in some cases you'll

704
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: get to do that more often. Um. But on the

705
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: on the other side, the flip side, there's the risk

706
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: of it becomeing a job and instead of being that

707
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: passion that you did to get you away from the job,

708
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: it becomes the job. I've been fortunate so far that

709
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: I still, you know, absolutely love one. Every time I

710
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: get to be in the outdoors hunting and fishing and

711
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: all those things, I love it, and I really am

712
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: very appreciative of the opportunity to be able to do

713
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: that and make a living related to it. But at

714
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: times I have, you know, I have experienced the negatives

715
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: of that being coming in the form of a lot

716
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: of stress. I get a lot more stress when it

717
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: comes to my hunting and fishing hunting adventures really, UM

718
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: than I ever used to. And it's not something necessarily that.

719
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: It's like when I was eighteen and I used to

720
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: go out and hunt and I'd sit and just relax

721
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: and enjoy it and not be too worried about it.

722
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: And now when I'm out there, I'm working, and I

723
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: feel the pressure of working and the pressure to produce UM.

724
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: And that's something that's very different. Is is something that

725
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: I think has to be considered. Um. And just if

726
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: you're in the industry and whatever form, make sure you're

727
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: doing it for the right reasons, you know, as you

728
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: mentioned Dan, not just for the paycheck, but but enjoy

729
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: what you're doing and be passionate about it. Um. And

730
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: and maybe don't let that stress get too as much

731
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: as as it easily can be sometimes. So and how

732
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: long did it take you Mark to get from where

733
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: you started to where you are today. It's been a

734
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: long time. It's been five, six, six, seven years now.

735
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: So it's you know, if nothing comes easy, nothing comes

736
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: real quick. Yeah. Absolutely, And the work that has to

737
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: be done, you gotta work your way up. Yeah. And

738
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: Andrew's story is is even further evidence of that, you know,

739
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: starting from where you did Andrew to where you are now. UM.

740
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: Now back to you. Enough about us, We're we're kind

741
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: of boring. I really want to be able to talk

742
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: to you Andrew. UM. You know, in the most recent

743
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: issue of Outdoor Life, your team profiled six different people

744
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 1: making a living in the outdoor industry. And we've talked

745
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: a lot so far about the media side of things. UM.

746
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: And you know, we we talked last week about the

747
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: fact that I had the opportunity to be featuring the

748
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: issue two, which is incredible and I'm very appreciative of um.

749
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: But I'd love to hear a little bit from you

750
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: Andrew on you know who those other people were that

751
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: you got to profile, and maybe you can speak to

752
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of the different opportunity reason that there

753
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: are in the outdoor industry, because I think a lot

754
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: of folks jumped to the media because they see that

755
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: all the time, but there are a lot of different

756
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: ways people can get their foot in the door in

757
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: the hunting and fishing industry. Can you speak to that

758
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: a little bit and maybe about what you learned from

759
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: putting this issue together. Sure. No, the first thing I

760
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: want to say is uh As. I'm sure everybody knows

761
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: you are the cover model for the April issue and

762
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: well the thing that the thing that proved to me

763
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: is that we still do have UH demographic success among

764
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: the twelve and fourteen year old girl. So, I mean

765
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: it was it was kind of a win win, you know,

766
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: I liked I like the audience. Thank you very much

767
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:52,479
Speaker 1: for ripping him right on. That's good, well played. Yeah,

768
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: that you know, it was it was a really fun

769
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: package to put together and it has a little bit

770
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: of a history to it. Um. You know, one of

771
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: the things that Outdoor Life has always delivered is this

772
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: really gritty, essential how to how to do something? Really

773
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: from that, you know, you go to heck to the

774
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: old nineteen thirties, nineteen forties, nineteen seventies issues, there's just

775
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of illustrations like, oh, that's how to

776
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: build a canoe where that's how to you know, keeping

777
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: with the community. That's how to make a silent battle

778
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: stroke at j stroke. It's it's cool. So that's really

779
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: part of our d n as is how to d

780
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: I Y ethics. What we wanted to do with the

781
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: how to issue this year was to really divide it

782
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: into two halves, and one is how to save money

783
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: in the outdoors and really kind of with a budget

784
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: conscious scheme. And then there's how to make money in

785
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: the outdoors And really that's where you came in. And

786
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: what we wanted to do is profile a number of

787
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: people who are making a living in either expected or

788
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: unexpected ways. And so yeah, I'll talk about the people

789
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: we profiled first and then I think it's important to

790
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: talk about the people who didn't profile, but who we

791
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: thought about it, because it really gets to be I

792
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: think broader picture of of this outdoor into treacause it's

793
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: actually it's it's bigger than you think on the surface.

794
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: Once you start scratching down, it's like, oh yeah, that's

795
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: part of the ONDOI industry. But we profiled you, and

796
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: what we really wanted to do. I think on the

797
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: cover we called you that they look here the new

798
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: media dude. Um, you know somebody who's sort of making content,

799
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: homemade content, I would say, and I think what you

800
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: do is brilliant, and I think it's a really aspirational

801
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: look at somebody who has sort of made their own

802
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: living in life. We also, in fact, I had to

803
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: open up the magazine to make sure I didn't leave

804
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: anybody out. To your point of kind of going from

805
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: the expected, uh through the unexpected. We also profiled another

806
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: outdoor writer, Ron S. Boehmer, who's you know, pretty high profile,

807
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: pretty well known name in as a freelancer for a

808
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: number of different titles. We initially thought about it would

809
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: be fun to have Ron interview himself excuse me, just

810
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: as kind of a different sort of vibe to it.

811
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: But then when we got into it, just a straight

812
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: ahead profile was and and I think Ron's perspective is

813
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: really key because he brings up a little of what

814
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, is that sort of the good and

815
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: the bad, the yet in the end of the outdoor world,

816
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: it's full opportunities. It's full of, um, you know, ways

817
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: to enable you to do what you love, and that

818
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: is hunting fish. More. The other side of it is

819
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: it's a job and you've got deadlines and you've got

820
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: is Ron put it, you know, imagine yourself going on

821
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: a different hunt every week with a different firearm that

822
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: you don't know and a camera over your shoulder expecting

823
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: you to produce. It's not necessarily a stress free proposition.

824
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: And I think he articulated that pretty well. It's like,

825
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's not recreational, it's

826
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: employment and that comes with a certain side of expectation. Um.

827
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: We also profiled Accedent. This is a really fun one.

828
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 1: We've profiled a kid here in my account of Glasgow

829
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: who works with his dad in the local sporting good

830
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: store D and G Sports and Western. If you're ever

831
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: in Glasgow, you've got to stop in. And that's one

832
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: of the best mule deer and white tail trophy displays

833
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: you've ever seen. Um. But it's just it's a great

834
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: kind of dust country sporting good stores, an independent sporting

835
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: good store, not part of the big box franchise or

836
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: anything like that. What I wanted to do was was

837
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: profiled Sam Sam Moorehouse is his name is somebody who

838
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: sees the world from behind the gun counter and what

839
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: is you know, what's his job? Like, you know, the

840
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: pros and the cons and if he described it, um,

841
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: the pros are he gets to talk to people, He

842
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: gets to um talk about what he loves, which is

843
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: guns and hunting. The downside is he's talking about guns hunting.

844
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: He's not actually hiding out there with guns. So you

845
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: know there's a little bit of that, I guess, order

846
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: of remove from actually doing what he loves to now

847
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: talking about it and selling it. And that's a little

848
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: bit about what damn was talking about. UM. We also

849
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: we profiled an outfitter, um actually another Montana fellow. This

850
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: guy is a public land backcountry elk outfitter in western Montana.

851
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: Name is William Wilcox and really just about what it

852
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: takes to be an outfitter, and I think his perspective

853
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: was really honest, and that was basically, here's how much

854
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: money I make a year, but here's how much I spent.

855
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: You're not going to get rich doing this, and there's

856
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: a lot of downside. One of your horses get sick,

857
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: but one of your guides can't make it, or you've

858
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: got a lousy cook, you're screwed, you know. And you've

859
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: got a lot of people counting on each part of

860
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: that machine to work, and if one part doesn't, um,

861
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: you've got a problem. The second thing is how do

862
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: you create a customer base. You think about a lot

863
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: of outfitters, Um, they're charging money for an opportunity, but

864
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: they're also having to produce. Uh. And so we've got

865
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: a lot of stress on us as individuals. They've got

866
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: a lot of stress on them as business folks because

867
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: a lot of their businesses repeat customers. And Lane talks

868
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: a little bit about that is you better make somebody happy,

869
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: because um, if they leave happy, they're going to tell

870
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: a couple of people. If they leave mad, they're gonna

871
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: tell everybody. Uh. We also profiled Kirsty Pike who's the

872
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: lady in the outdoor industry. She makes the preal sign

873
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: of finding clothes for women. You really talked to her

874
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: about the origin story of that business and kind of

875
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: what it takes to run a niche business in this

876
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: outdoor industry. And then lastly we talked to I think

877
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: it was last week, we talked to a girl, a

878
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 1: lady in the northeast two runs Um. She's the head

879
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: boat made on a on a fishing boat. It's one

880
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: of these big party boats that takes upwards of thirty

881
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: anglers out offshore and everybody catches fish and she's got

882
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: a bait hooks and make sure that people are playing

883
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: fish right and netting fish, and then she's filing fish

884
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: and packaging them and she does it three times a day.

885
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: It is a hard working job. And I think her

886
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: profile really brought that up is like she's hopping. I mean,

887
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: is there's not a quiet momentum on all of these trips,

888
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people who are counting on

889
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: her abilities and she loves every minute of it. That's awesome.

890
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: So that was sort of I guess the landscape we

891
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: covered in terms of people who are making a living

892
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: of the outdoors. But as I said, you know, you

893
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: start to scratch around. You know, it's a hotel Maids

894
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: and let's call it Aberdeen, South Dakota in October during

895
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: best season are really making a living on the outdoors

896
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: and the outdoors industry. Um, there are folks like you know,

897
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: the folks who are working the gun counter at Walmart

898
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: or working this, you know, stopping sporting bitch shells. Um.

899
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: There are the people who are designing turkey calls in

900
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: their basement with the hopes of making it big. So

901
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: it's a pretty wide and diverse field when you when

902
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: you really start thinking about it. With the air intention

903
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: work just to profile a few people who you might

904
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: think about and who you might not think about it

905
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: tell their stories. I really loved how you guys did

906
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: that too. Now you mentioned though, the people that you

907
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: didn't feature, Um, you know, was there any more that

908
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: you could share with us in regards to why you

909
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: didn't cover any of the you know, maybe things like

910
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: TV show hosts or other well known aspects of the

911
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: hunting industry or hunting fishing industry. There were two reasons. Um,

912
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: the most well known people we didn't think would be

913
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: as candid with us as we wanted. And the reason

914
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: is they don't really have anything to gain by telling

915
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: the story. They tell it every day, and we really

916
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: wanted people who could sort of strip away the nonsense

917
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: and say here's what's great about my job and here's

918
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: web sucks. And it was great. We we we really

919
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: did want that perspective because we wanted to deliver I

920
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: think a pretty honest, sixty um perspective on it. There

921
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: were other people, actually, um there was there's a whole

922
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: cohort of people in Ontario who did earthworms at night

923
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: for the h fishing bait trade. We thought that would

924
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: be such a cool profile, and it turned out it

925
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: was such a cool profile. We're actually profiles in their

926
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: in their May issue. We built a whole feature around them.

927
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: So those are people who were kind of left in

928
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: the on the cutting room floor, but we're like, you know,

929
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: there's actually a bigger story here to tell. Um she

930
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: Some other people we thought about were a dog gun,

931
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: dog breeders, you know, people who run kennels. Those are

932
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: folks who make a living in the outdoors. I think

933
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: their perspective is pretty interesting um to people who are

934
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: well like flats guides. You know, somebody who works really,

935
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: really hard, maybe for three months out of the year

936
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: and then their business drives up, and really talking about

937
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: what they do to supplement their income. But we just

938
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: felt well and we were constrained by pages. Uh, you

939
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: in the digital realm will forget about having pages. There

940
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: are finite resources. They don't grow on I guess they

941
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: do grow on trees. But so we basically ran how

942
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: to room to tell all those stories. So you did

943
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: profile sex people. It sounds like you, you you know, examine

944
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: a number of other opportunities as well. Was there anything

945
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: that you or your team noticed that was consistent across

946
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: all these people who have quote unquote been able to

947
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: make it in this industry? Um, and maybe that's from

948
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: these six people or you know, across other people you've

949
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 1: talked to or have known. Is there any consistency between

950
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: those people that can make it in in the hunting

951
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: and fishing industry? There there is want to it. Maybe

952
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that they articulated as so much as

953
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: I sent it from kind of unifying theme and that

954
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: is something that Dan talked about earlier. This is an

955
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: industry of relationships and people and it's actually what attracted

956
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: me to it initially and really keeps my affection going

957
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: for this industry, it's it's really a bunch of friends

958
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 1: who are united by kind of a common purpose. People

959
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: who may work for totally different brands or in totally

960
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: different segments of the industry, but it's it's that relationship.

961
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: With a lot of the people we talked to who

962
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: we profiled also brought up that relationship. So the gun

963
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: store a clerk loves his job because he gets to

964
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: interact with people in this community all the time and

965
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: talk hunting and fishing and get paid for it. Um

966
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: that was actually the same as the outfitter. You know,

967
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: he was talking about how word of mouth and referrals

968
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: is a big part of this business. But he's doing

969
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: it because he loves people. He likes to be with

970
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: people and and be with him in these really memorable moments,

971
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: which is you know, having their first elk and really

972
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: aspirational landscapes. So it's that kind of people orientation. I

973
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: think that really brings people together and keeps them in

974
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: the industry. But Dan mentioned though that's changing a little

975
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: bit if it gets more corporate, there's more sort of

976
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: there's more commercialism that creeps into it. I'm seeing just

977
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: not a personal basis, relationship basis of the industry did

978
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more deluded. Interesting. So let's kind of

979
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: we're getting here close on time, so I want to

980
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: close things out here on a little bit more of

981
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:44,959
Speaker 1: a tactical basis, you know. For for those people listening today,

982
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: they've they've heard your story, They've heard a little bit

983
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: from Dana and I in the past, and a little

984
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: bit today. We've talked about the highs and the lows,

985
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: and about some of the different options out there. There's

986
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: met like you mentioned, very wide space. There's everything from

987
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: being on the media side to working for a company

988
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: towards working as a guide. There's lots and lots of options. Um,

989
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: but what about how This is a little bit difficult

990
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of different avenues that you know,

991
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: someone could go into. But is there any is there

992
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: any starting point for someone you know how making the

993
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: decision of how to get involved in the industry. Do

994
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: you have any advice for someone when it comes to

995
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: making the decisions should I get in the industry or

996
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: should it not? Yeah? I mean I think if in

997
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: any time you can marry what you love to do

998
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: with what you need to do make a living, you

999
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: should do it. I mean, whether that's you know, as

1000
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: a professional sports athlete, or whether it's working in the outdoors.

1001
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: I think the upsides exceed the downside. So I encourage

1002
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: anybody who wants to compare the two to do it,

1003
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: but I I would encourage him to do it with

1004
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: realistic expectations. This is not an industry where you're going

1005
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: to be uh celebrity or a millionaire overnight. You're just

1006
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: gonna take a lot of work, which kind of comes

1007
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: to your point of how do you get started? What

1008
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: I'll talk about is on the content side, because that's

1009
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: what I'm most Whether you're with I would say just start,

1010
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: start somewhere, whether it is approaching your local newspaper to

1011
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: write an outdoors column, even for free, do it. The

1012
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: more you do it, the better you're going to get

1013
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: at it. And if somebody comes to me just I've

1014
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: got a great idea for a story, the first aglements

1015
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: to be to say, well, have you've written anything before? How?

1016
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: How how do I know that you can actually do it?

1017
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: So do it, um, get a portfolio, get a track

1018
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: record of it, whether if you know, if you want

1019
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: to have a television show, start filming yourself, start telling

1020
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: stories on camera. Um, just do it. Whether or not

1021
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: you can sell it or whether there's a market flo

1022
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. And to me, that goes back to

1023
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: that that authenticity. If this is something that burns hot

1024
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: inside you, just do it. It's easy to start a blog,

1025
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: to start a blog, just do it, um. And in

1026
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: that way, you can refine your voice, you can figure

1027
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: out if you do have anything to say or not,

1028
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 1: you can figure out how to attract and keep an audience.

1029
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: And I mean those are all say that aren't critical

1030
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: to making more than in this space. Absolutely, I think

1031
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: that is. That's so true, And it's funny you mentioned

1032
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: that because that's the exact you know. I I get

1033
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people asking that question to me, and

1034
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: probably far fewer than you do, but I have that

1035
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: question a decent number of times. And my advice always

1036
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: is that exact thing. Just start. You have to start

1037
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: doing it, experiencing it, trying your hand at it, putting

1038
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: yourself out there, and you know you'll learn, you'll grow

1039
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: and eventually as you meet people and opportunities will come

1040
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: your way. UM. And I think another piece that I'll

1041
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: just I'll kind of ads an addendum to that. It's

1042
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: important to start, but it's also important to start believing

1043
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: that you can do it. And I think unfortunately a

1044
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: lot of people. You mentioned the fact that you have

1045
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: to you have to go into these types of things

1046
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: with the realistic set of expectations. Agree with that, But

1047
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: then I also think that you also need to have

1048
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: the realistic expectation that it's possible too. If you're willing

1049
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: to put your put the work in, if you're willing

1050
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: to do the things, the tough things that have to

1051
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 1: be done, if you're willing to sacrifice, you can chase

1052
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: those dreams. You can make it happen. It's not going

1053
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: to be easy, it might not go the way you

1054
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: think it's going to go. You might take a totally

1055
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: different path than you ever imagined. Um, But I would

1056
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: just encourage everyone listening. Just like you said, Andrew, if

1057
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: this is what burns in your chest, if you love

1058
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: this stuff, if you wake up every morning dreaming about this,

1059
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: chase that dream, go for it, and don't let anyone

1060
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: tell you that it's not possible. Don't let anyone say that.

1061
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: Ela a kid from you know, small town Iowa could

1062
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: never do that, Um, or someone from you know, southern

1063
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: Florida that I'll never be able to do that. You

1064
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: can do it. There's been so many examples of people.

1065
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: I guess just like your story Andrew, Um. You know

1066
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: mentioned where you started northern Missouri on a dirt floor farm. Um.

1067
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: Anyone can can make these types of things happen if

1068
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: you really put your mind to it. I think I

1069
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: just want to UM remind us all to to have

1070
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: that belief in ourselves, because I think unfortunate there's a

1071
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Speaker 1: lot of people that don't have someone telling them that

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Speaker 1: they believe in you. And I believe in everyone out

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Speaker 1: there listening that that really, if this is your dream,

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Speaker 1: you can do that. So that's my little a thirty

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Speaker 1: second pep talk for the day. I guess I get

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00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: a little carried away, but real quick before we let

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Speaker 1: you go, Andrew, Dan, you've been a little quiet. Do

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Speaker 1: you have any other questions for Andrew before we wrap

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Speaker 1: this up? No? I mean, like like all of our guests,

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Speaker 1: I just love listening to different people tell their story

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00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: different perspectives. You know. He he was Um in his

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00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: journey through the hunting industry to where he is now.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if anything, it's it's motivated me to

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Speaker 1: continue to do what I do, you know, with the

1085
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: Nine Finger Chronicles and and with this podcast. And you know,

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00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: the river runs wild. I don't know that meaning like

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00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: the path people take it. You can't you can't really

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00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: plan for it in certain aspects and you just gotta

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00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: let it happen and it will lead you to where

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00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: it needs to lead you. So true, so true. So, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: I want to be respectful of your time, Um, but

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00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you spending you know this last forty

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00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: five minutes with us. Are so talking about your story

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00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: and about the most recent issue. Um. Now, as I

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00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: understand it, and as I've seen, the current April issue

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00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: of Outdoor Life is available on news stands and you know,

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00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: in a lot of people's mailboxes. So if you don't

1098
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: already have the issue, I definitely encourage you to check

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00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: it out. And um, you know they tell me I

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Speaker 1: have a face for radio. But go ahead and take

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Speaker 1: a look at the cover if let's see what you think. UM,

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Speaker 1: But question for you, Andrew, at any point, well, any

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Speaker 1: part of the future that we just talked about is

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Speaker 1: that ever gonna be available online. Yeah, it certainly will.

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Speaker 1: In fact, we will break it into pieces and probably

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00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: each will have its own appearance online. Um, so you

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Speaker 1: can go to outdoor life dot com probably starting within

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00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: about a week or ten days, and you can start

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00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: to see need some of these profiles, see some of

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00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: the money saving hacks if we were profiling, and I

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00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: think even see your picture, which you know, thank goodness

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00:55:53,600 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: for photoshop, but you know, I think you ended up okay.

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00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: They do a good job of really fixing things up,

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Speaker 1: and stay tuned for Mark's next cover, which is Team

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Speaker 1: Bot magazine. Of the last thing I'll say, and that

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Speaker 1: is it kind of cheers off what you were just

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00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: saying about just believing in it. And the other thing

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Speaker 1: is this, this can seem like a job. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, I I love my job and I want

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Speaker 1: to be able to always keep saying that, even though

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not out in the field nearly as

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Speaker 1: much as I used to be. Your wish I was.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of budgets and staff issues

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Speaker 1: and um, just reacting to two things as uh as

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Speaker 1: the boss does. But every time I get down in

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Speaker 1: the dumps, like holy smokes. This is a high stress job.

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Speaker 1: I'm reminded of something. Actually, he was my boss when

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Speaker 1: I worked with Montana Fish, Wilife and Parks. You know,

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Speaker 1: in that job, you're there's a lot of bureaucracy. You're

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Speaker 1: really a public servant, and so there can be you know,

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Speaker 1: you can get a lot of interesting perspectives and it's

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00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: easy to get out of the doubts. And every now

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Speaker 1: and then he would just say, can you believe what

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Speaker 1: we're doing? What we get to do. We get to

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Speaker 1: help manage Montana's wildlife. And the least I mentioned that

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Speaker 1: is I think that's also sort of the counterpoint to

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Speaker 1: dream about it and believe in yourself, and that is,

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Speaker 1: look at what you can do. Um, you can actually

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Speaker 1: turn what you love to do and do a living.

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's the goal of anybody, It should

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00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: be the goal of any absolutely. I think that is

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Speaker 1: a perfect spot for us to leave this this episode too,

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Speaker 1: So Andrew, I'll make sure to include links in our

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Speaker 1: show notes to outdoor life dot com and Facebook and

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00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: all the different places that our listeners can can check

1146
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: back on it and maybe see some parts of the

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Speaker 1: story that we talked about today and Um, finally, just

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Speaker 1: want to say thank you so much. We really appreciate

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00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: you joining us. Yeah, this is a lot of fun.

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00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: Thanks for the opportunity. Absolutely Hopefully we'll will chat again soon. Okay, thanks,

1151
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Speaker 1: all right, Well that is going to do it for

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Speaker 1: us today on the podcast, and for show notes from

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Speaker 1: this episode, all the links from everything we talked about today,

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00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: please visit wire two hunt dot com slash episode forty

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Speaker 1: nine and if you enjoy the show, please take a

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00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: second to leave a rating or review for us on iTunes.

1157
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it, and it helps other people find

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Speaker 1: out about the Wired Hunt podcast, which is definitely something

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00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: that's helpful, so thank you in advance. Also, if you're

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Speaker 1: not yet subscribed to the podcast on your phone or tablet,

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Speaker 1: I'd highly recommend to do that. It allows you to

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Speaker 1: get each week's episode automatically download to your device and

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Speaker 1: so definitely look at subscribing on iTunes, on the podcast app,

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Speaker 1: we'd like to thank our partners who have stepped up

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Speaker 1: to help make the Wire to Hunt podcast possible, so

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Speaker 1: big thank you. Too, sick of gear, Trophy, Ridge bear Archery,

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Speaker 1: redneck blinds on Terra maps, Hunts, soft Lacrosse boots, and

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Speaker 1: the white Tail Institute of North America. And finally, thank

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Speaker 1: you to all of you for being here with us today.

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Speaker 1: I hope you found this episode help and maybe even inspirational.

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Speaker 1: But if you're looking to chase the dream of making

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Speaker 1: a living in the outdoors, I'd like to offer one

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Speaker 1: more piece of advice, never ever give up. Thanks again, folks,

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Speaker 1: As always, stay wired Ton