Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Schondoland Audio in
Speaker 1: partnership with iHeartRadio. Katie Well, oh man, here we go.
Speaker 1: We should like do this um Scandal Rewatch podcast Unpacking
Speaker 1: the Toolbox and Katie Los Katie your last night, I
Speaker 1: was thinking, do you go back just Katie Lows? Are
Speaker 1: you Katie Los Shapiro? Are you hyspenated just Sucker's last name?
Speaker 1: You said, Hell, no, I'm sucking Katie Lows. Bitch. You
Speaker 1: know what I was in the Bear don't you? Who
Speaker 1: know who I am? Anyway? Wow, Today we're talking about
Speaker 1: episode two O two, Yes, The Other Woman, which aired
Speaker 1: on October fourth in twenty twelve, written by Heather Mitchell
Speaker 1: and directed by Stephen Crag. Yes. Yes, and the guest
Speaker 1: star list is but we got to name it because
Speaker 1: here on the Scandal Rewatch podcast we respect our guest stars. Yes,
Speaker 1: because they're usually like pretty freaking amazing. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: the first, main, big one is Lorraine Toussaint, who plays
Speaker 1: Nancy Drake, who is just a wonderful actor. She's she's
Speaker 1: one of those people that when you see her face,
Speaker 1: so you see her in one thing, you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I've seen her in a thousand things, like
Speaker 1: she's in so much, she's a she's from Trinidad. Nice
Speaker 1: fun fact. Yeah, nice fun fact there. But yeah, she's amazing.
Speaker 1: And then we got a lease Neil and John deal
Speaker 1: dial How do you say that? Maybe we'll just give
Speaker 1: it a deal? Dial Dial Deal, John Deal, Dial deal.
Speaker 1: We got Leslie great and John Deal played ray Dwire.
Speaker 1: Who's Lindsay Dwyer's dad? Oh that I watched this episode
Speaker 1: and now we're starting to get into the part of
Speaker 1: the Scanal Rewatch podcast on packing the Toolbox where I
Speaker 1: don't remember shooting that. No, really, I distinctly remember standing
Speaker 1: with you outside of that motel. I remember that later
Speaker 1: in the episode. Yes, we'll talk about I do not
Speaker 1: remember shooting the scene with the dad. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: do you remember Do you remember the lady staring at
Speaker 1: Quinn at Lindsay Dwyer? Yo? I wish we could have
Speaker 1: gotten her name and given her a shout out because
Speaker 1: homegirl is so freaking good and committed and annoying. Oh,
Speaker 1: she's just perfect for the role. How dare this Molotov
Speaker 1: mistress a bitch? Come and sit in and have a
Speaker 1: fucking coffee? In our small at a looma California town,
Speaker 1: with her omelet on her plate that she never touches.
Speaker 1: I wrote in my notes, is it a wig or
Speaker 1: not a wig? Not a wig? It's not a wig.
Speaker 1: I do kind of remember that woman. The other people
Speaker 1: we have is Leslie. Leslie Grossman is Lisa, who's the
Speaker 1: DC Corner. She was amazing. Mark Espinoza's Chairman of Joint Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Greg Henry is Hollis Doyle. Deborah Mooney is Verna Thornton,
Speaker 1: who is constant recurring. Wendy Davis is Kimberly Mitchellson McMurray
Speaker 1: is the US attorney Pat Wexler. Joe Holt, who's a
Speaker 1: friend of mine, a Secretary of Defense Virginia Louise Smith
Speaker 1: as Secretary of State. J Jackson is local anchor. If
Speaker 1: y'all don't remember this episode, let's just jog ye old memory,
Speaker 1: Ye old memory. Olivia has to deal with the ramifications
Speaker 1: of Quinn's jaw dropping court verdict as Abby continues to
Speaker 1: press Olivia for answers and Quinn takes a trip back home.
Speaker 1: The firm represents the widow of a very prominent pastor
Speaker 1: who had a secret life with his mistress and son.
Speaker 1: Olivia works on striking a deal to keep Pastor Drake's
Speaker 1: other life a secret before the funeral. Meanwhile, in the
Speaker 1: White House, Cyrus and Fitz deal with a foreign policy
Speaker 1: emergency that was potentially fabricated by the CIA. What the hell, dude,
Speaker 1: that was stupendous. I also think your scandal pace is
Speaker 1: always so good because I understand what you're saying, like
Speaker 1: you're putting the inflection on the correct word. Listen, I
Speaker 1: thank you, But I always understand your scandal pace. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I have to admit sometimes I'm just not smart enough
Speaker 1: for this show. And all of the CIA fabrication of
Speaker 1: what was going on, I was like, wait, hold up,
Speaker 1: he me twine they do that? I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I know, shit is corruptle, What the hell are they
Speaker 1: just making a fucking photo of jed children in Sudan?
Speaker 1: Is it because the dude that did it? What is he?
Speaker 1: The head of the CIA? Is it because he's he
Speaker 1: wants the president to go to war and he's a
Speaker 1: Republican and he wants me? I don't know. I was
Speaker 1: confused too. Well. Let it be known here that Garm
Speaker 1: and I on this rewatch podcast. We don't completely understand
Speaker 1: what's going on, which listen, listen. I feel like a
Speaker 1: lot of the audience, our listeners will understand. And it's
Speaker 1: okay because this show has so much in it that
Speaker 1: it doesn't matters. Yes, But also, Katie, do you remember
Speaker 1: ever being on set like and I'd be like, I
Speaker 1: know me mostly I'd be like, Katie, I don't know
Speaker 1: what's happening, Like, what's happening on the show, because yes,
Speaker 1: I remember we see the start of this episode that
Speaker 1: Olivia and the President have started this relationship where they're
Speaker 1: like old school fucking late night phone calls, yeah, where
Speaker 1: they're just like talking about their life and Olivia's in
Speaker 1: bed and she's like it can't keep teaking calls from
Speaker 1: my married ex boyfriend. Yes, yeah, which is so cute.
Speaker 1: I think it's like so normal. Yeah, weird to see
Speaker 1: them like normal. Like they're not at a white House dinner,
Speaker 1: they're not like on the trail, they're not doing any
Speaker 1: of those things. They're literally just like talking on the
Speaker 1: phone yea gossiping, right, They're just like like telling each
Speaker 1: other's shit from their day and stuff. Yeah. It's okay,
Speaker 1: you know for those of those of us who were
Speaker 1: a little on the older side. That's the way we
Speaker 1: used to chat with our with the people we were
Speaker 1: seeing or dating or whatever. You'd be on the phone
Speaker 1: for freaking hours. Oh my god, Yeah, my parents got me.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is some boogie ass fucking white privilege
Speaker 1: shit right here. My parents were my sixteenth birthday, I
Speaker 1: think got me my own phone line. I got my
Speaker 1: own fucking line because I think my parents found out
Speaker 1: that it was like twenty five more cents, like a
Speaker 1: fucking hour or whatever if they just gave me my
Speaker 1: own phone, because I was clogging that ship up, Like
Speaker 1: I was on the phone all day with bitches and
Speaker 1: fucking night boyfriends. Like oh yeah, that's the way it
Speaker 1: went down. Yeah yeah, Dearmo, you didn't have your own line,
Speaker 1: noll No. We had one phone hanging in the hallway
Speaker 1: of our New York City Washington Heights apartment with a chord.
Speaker 1: The only time it got bougie for us is when
Speaker 1: my parents are like, We're like, we're going to buy
Speaker 1: a longer core. I'd walk into like the bathroom and
Speaker 1: close the door in the kitchen. You'd have to hawk
Speaker 1: is a aa yep. I think this is the first time,
Speaker 1: right Katie, that we see him. Yeah, I think this
Speaker 1: is the first time we see you Hawk in AA. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember shooting the scene the AA scene because it
Speaker 1: was like just a few blocks away from Sante Gower,
Speaker 1: which is where the stage is where we shot Scandal,
Speaker 1: and it was like in the basement of a church,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, and it was really cool. And also,
Speaker 1: you know, I was gonna I was gonna say too,
Speaker 1: I have a sort of a history with A because
Speaker 1: my ex used to be in A But I used
Speaker 1: to go to the meetings with him. And I'm not
Speaker 1: an alcoholic. Well maybe i am, but no, just a
Speaker 1: little bit. But I don't have a problem, no disrespect
Speaker 1: with you. I no, no, no, no no. But you
Speaker 1: have a personal relationship to being a Alana. Yeah yeah, right, right,
Speaker 1: right right. But I used to go to the meetings
Speaker 1: and get so much out of them, like I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed because it's all about you know, very spiritual, yes,
Speaker 1: and lifting the person up and giving them encouragement. It
Speaker 1: was it was wonderful and I really got a lot
Speaker 1: out of it. Those rooms are really really special and
Speaker 1: so for you to get to stand there and talk
Speaker 1: about fucking killing people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well that's why
Speaker 1: I thought about me going to the meetings, because I
Speaker 1: would go. But it wasn't about having an addiction. It
Speaker 1: was I was just getting a lot more out of
Speaker 1: it just for life in general. And so so huck
Speaker 1: Is doesn't have an alcohol problem either, He's going because
Speaker 1: he's you know, whiskey represents him killing people and torturing people.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if they would have done like a
Speaker 1: like coverage of like with the people in the meeting,
Speaker 1: like what the fuck is this guy talking about? Because
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm really good at drinking whist. I don't
Speaker 1: think they ever flip it around. They never flip around, No, no,
Speaker 1: trist Yeah, but it was so interesting. Oh no, it
Speaker 1: totally works. I actually I've never even realized it until
Speaker 1: you just said that. Yeah, Quinn is being a stupid
Speaker 1: bid bitch in Olivia's apartment and I'm like so mad,
Speaker 1: and so like, why is it anyone telling me anything?
Speaker 1: Everyone messed up my life and no one's telling me why.
Speaker 1: And um, I mean, I don't know if other people
Speaker 1: got that out of my performance, but I definitely felt
Speaker 1: like nails on a chalkboard watching I think people felt
Speaker 1: Winn's frustration, right. I love this sheet her line to
Speaker 1: Olivia's like I got more sleep in prison. Oh, they
Speaker 1: like tossed that away into a pillow because I doubt
Speaker 1: my acting choice was at all good. Now I wasn't
Speaker 1: in these scenes. But the episode features like the America's pastor,
Speaker 1: Pastor Drake, who's incredible and obviously had this like very
Speaker 1: public beautiful marriage to Lorraine Twusn's character Nancy Drake, but
Speaker 1: the whole time, for fifteen years, he's been shipping this
Speaker 1: other woman named Anna Gordon. But you find the episode
Speaker 1: in like a classic Olivia Pope o pa handling the
Speaker 1: situation where the wife calls they can't find Pastor Drake.
Speaker 1: You guys get led to a camera across the street
Speaker 1: from the hay Adams Hotel, and you are in the
Speaker 1: hotel and you hear like a whir and they open
Speaker 1: the door and they find Pastor Drake on top o
Speaker 1: top of his mistress and she's handcuffed to the bed,
Speaker 1: and no one knows it first until Huk kind of
Speaker 1: runs in and checks and knows, like right away the
Speaker 1: guy's been dead and she's been like stuck under there
Speaker 1: because the bro was like, yeah, home was a big boy.
Speaker 1: What I found so amusing was watching the episode and
Speaker 1: the first thing that happens is huck rushes in checks
Speaker 1: his pulse and he's like he's been dead for seven hours.
Speaker 1: Whatever the funk I said, And then Abby says something
Speaker 1: in Olivia, and then there's a moment we're all just
Speaker 1: standing there like, m what do we do now? And
Speaker 1: the whole time watching the episode, I was like, this
Speaker 1: girl is stuck under this large as man and nobody's like,
Speaker 1: there was no nobody in rush to be like, They're
Speaker 1: just like, dude, to do I didn't. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to go back and wash up because I did not
Speaker 1: catch that at all. I love the part of this
Speaker 1: scene is this this This is the scene where she's like,
Speaker 1: what do you need to do to get rid of
Speaker 1: the body? And you're like and You're like, you're like lusty.
Speaker 1: You're like lusty, like describing all the tools in which
Speaker 1: you would need to dispose of a body this big,
Speaker 1: and she yes, I mean to just move the body.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh well then just like and your body
Speaker 1: some sheets, yeah or whatever. You're like, you're so psyched
Speaker 1: that you were going to cut this dude up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's also super embarrassed, I think is he's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. They're like, oh my god, I'm so
Speaker 1: fucked up. Yeah, Like clearly you clearly Huck knows he
Speaker 1: has a problem because you're going to aa so like
Speaker 1: you know that things are a rye in your mental health. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he could feel himself, you know, slipping, yeah, and
Speaker 1: going closer to the dark side. But yeah, that that
Speaker 1: was such a great mind. Olivia's look to hook is like, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I was talking about moving him, not chopping him up.
Speaker 1: So good, so good, but she's also like, you know,
Speaker 1: like there's the fright in her face, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this motherfucker was ready to talk him up in the
Speaker 1: midst of this whole um montage about moving his body
Speaker 1: because their goal is to like clean up the scene,
Speaker 1: which is super illegal, and to get that body back
Speaker 1: to in bed where he would live, like I mean,
Speaker 1: so that they can sort of stage it, like keeping
Speaker 1: his rep clean. That like if he's not found with
Speaker 1: the hooker, but he's found that he just like had
Speaker 1: a heart attack in bed, that it would be much
Speaker 1: better for his look and his wife's reputation and his
Speaker 1: legacy and all of that. But in the midst of
Speaker 1: all these scenes, there's such a great scene between Dan
Speaker 1: and Jeff oh so much, where he's yes, I hate
Speaker 1: that I married a Republican. Yes, I want a baby,
Speaker 1: a fat one, a smushy one. Yes, it seems so cute.
Speaker 1: Oh it's so good. You know. I wrote down in
Speaker 1: my notes that they they fight like a real couple.
Speaker 1: I mean, because we see couples on TV all the time,
Speaker 1: and sometimes, you know, you kind of get the chemistry.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't. But I feel like, um, like Dan
Speaker 1: and Jeff, like their chemistry was fire from the beginning,
Speaker 1: like they just it just clicked. But also Jeff, Jeff
Speaker 1: and Dan. I was gonna say Jeff because Jeff is
Speaker 1: a you know, as a straight man. He's married to
Speaker 1: Linda Lowey, who was our casting director, and um, but
Speaker 1: he Jeff is such an amazing, fucking skilled Like he's
Speaker 1: one of those actors that just is no joke. He's
Speaker 1: a genius. So I knew he was going to approach
Speaker 1: this gay character with you know, just complete completely embracing
Speaker 1: it and being as real as possible and not having
Speaker 1: any hang ups about it. And that comes across, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like they really come across as
Speaker 1: a real couple. They totally do. And I think I
Speaker 1: think when we have a mom will have to ask him.
Speaker 1: But I'm pretty sure he's played gay characters multiple times
Speaker 1: in his sure. I think, yeah, I think he's played that,
Speaker 1: like from his early twenties on. I think what's probably
Speaker 1: weirdest for them is that, and I can't wait to
Speaker 1: ask them about this, is that Jeff and Dan have
Speaker 1: been real life friends for like town of years. Oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I'm sure that do with that.
Speaker 1: It would be weird if you were a girl too,
Speaker 1: But like they have to make out, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like like Linda cast Don Ruth. Dan Bougatinski's husband,
Speaker 1: Don Ruth is a big screenwriter and Linda cast his
Speaker 1: movies like twenty years ago. They've all four been friends
Speaker 1: for a very long time. Wow. And so I think
Speaker 1: it was probably weirder than anything that, like Jeff, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to make up with like a dear friend
Speaker 1: of mine, you know, more than anything else. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: what about this part? Who was it in the script
Speaker 1: that all the OPA people use the same deodorant. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I wrote notes on that too, right. I
Speaker 1: think they were trying to give the feeling on the
Speaker 1: show that obviously they've been up all night and moving
Speaker 1: this guy and they're probably sweating, and they're all passing
Speaker 1: this deodorant. It's such an odd but like such an
Speaker 1: odd but interesting moment. Yeah. Yes, and you're the only one.
Speaker 1: Huck is the only one that doesn't his dirty ass,
Speaker 1: and he's probably the one that needs it the most.
Speaker 1: I was like, what do you what are you doing? Like,
Speaker 1: put that ship under your arms. It's secret. We all
Speaker 1: know how strong secret is. It won't pick up this
Speaker 1: skankass ship from one person's arms another, Like I feel
Speaker 1: like it's a secret magic about secret that like you're
Speaker 1: gonna be fine, that is. I just loved it, Like
Speaker 1: I thought it was so fulfilial and like we've been
Speaker 1: up all night and we have no fucking boundaries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's no I love it. No one's even commenting
Speaker 1: on this, like like, oh, it's just like happening while
Speaker 1: you're working on the case. Yeah. And then we get
Speaker 1: to oh I think this is when Quinn goes this here.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you come and you realize I'm gone and
Speaker 1: I Quinn goes to see your dad, which I don't
Speaker 1: remember shooting this scene. I don't remember this scene. John
Speaker 1: John Deal Deal Dal Deal Dal Deal. Um, he's a
Speaker 1: fucking dope actor. I love him. I love this. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been a ton of stuff. I looked up. I
Speaker 1: looked him up on IMDb and IMDb and he's done
Speaker 1: over one hundred and thirty one hundred and forty films
Speaker 1: and TV shows. Yeah, way, yeah. Some of his credits
Speaker 1: are escaped from New York. Me up, what's my number?
Speaker 1: I haven't, but I'm going to write right after we
Speaker 1: finish the podcast. Number is a shit. But in the meantime,
Speaker 1: John Deal Deal Dal Deal, Dude Dial. He was an
Speaker 1: escape from the Orc. He was in Miami Vice, The
Speaker 1: Outer Limits, X Files. Yeah. Anyway, he's been in a
Speaker 1: ton of stuff and he was He's really great in
Speaker 1: the episode you Know what's slowly coming back for me,
Speaker 1: which is making me sad. What is I kind of
Speaker 1: remember vaguely him saying like, oh, this is so great.
Speaker 1: I get cast as your dad. They're going to be
Speaker 1: bringing me back a lot. You're so many, Katie, I
Speaker 1: feel like so many actors and even me. I remember
Speaker 1: saying that to some actors, like when they were casts,
Speaker 1: like a cut's girlfriend. I'd be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is awesome. You're for sure coming back. And then
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, they killed this bitch off. Oh good, Well,
Speaker 1: all your girlfriends had a pretty long run. You know.
Speaker 1: Actors are so like, we have to be nomadic. That's
Speaker 1: how it is. It's it's actually like unheard of to
Speaker 1: stay in any one job for a long time, which
Speaker 1: was why Scandal is such a unicorn. Yeah, but most
Speaker 1: of the time that's not our story, and we go
Speaker 1: where the wind takes us. I mean, I've been cut
Speaker 1: out of so much fucking shit, and everyone has their
Speaker 1: story of like they've been fired, and then there's like
Speaker 1: amazing miracle stories like Bellamy Young, who I think was
Speaker 1: always to do like three episodes in season one or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you know, there's like ups and downs and it
Speaker 1: is what it is. But I do remember the dad
Speaker 1: being like, oh man, I think they're gonna call me back,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, fuck man, no, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't remember what I said, but probably not something that
Speaker 1: made him feel any better. Um, go get a snack.
Speaker 1: And we'll be right back. Okay. Then what happens Guerremo? Well,
Speaker 1: how goes to check on Quinn? Is the next thing
Speaker 1: that I have that sort of happens, right, yes, right.
Speaker 1: Olivia's like, go check on Quinn because she was a
Speaker 1: little bit jumpy this morning when you said Aslee better
Speaker 1: in prison, all that stuff. Stuff to check on Quinn.
Speaker 1: She's nowhere to be found. Yep, because I went to Petaluma,
Speaker 1: California to visit my daddy to try to get back
Speaker 1: to them in my normal life. We're ready at the
Speaker 1: point where you're meeting up with your dad and and
Speaker 1: Huck somehow miraculously shows up there and Quinn's like, what
Speaker 1: the hell are you doing here? Like? Can I not
Speaker 1: go anywhere without you? People like following me. I kind
Speaker 1: of remember shooting that. I feel like I have photos
Speaker 1: of that day that I have to find, right. But
Speaker 1: Huck's like, you have such a beautiful monologue to me.
Speaker 1: But we're at some like Motel six where I feel like,
Speaker 1: my god, you and I shot there like a thousand times.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you kind of shot the season
Speaker 1: one when you like abducted me and you had to,
Speaker 1: like I feel like you had to like throw me
Speaker 1: over your shoulder, and I was like, I am so sorry.
Speaker 1: Was that in season? Was that season one? Yeah? Maybe
Speaker 1: it was when they do the flashback and like somebody's
Speaker 1: like watching, Yeah, I think maybe even Susie Poorfar's characters
Speaker 1: like standing outside of the motel and you see like
Speaker 1: Huck take me away, and yes, I kind of remember
Speaker 1: vaguely me being like, oh my god, I can't believe
Speaker 1: you have to haul me over your fucking shoulder. Like
Speaker 1: that was not safe. It doesn't matter how heavy or
Speaker 1: light you are, that sh is not safe, not good
Speaker 1: for a body. Okay, so you come and we have
Speaker 1: this awesome scene at the motel where Huck is like
Speaker 1: overcoming shoulders and he's like, this is where they took you.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, something's I don't know what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Yeah? Yeah, oh yeah that's what I say,
Speaker 1: what are you talking And you say, no, this is
Speaker 1: where they took you. Yeah. Seven people might have been
Speaker 1: blown up that day in Citron, but it wasn't seven.
Speaker 1: It was really eight eight that died. Yeah. I remember
Speaker 1: shooting that scene Katie, and it was so hot. We're
Speaker 1: shooting it in Hollywood a few blocks I think it
Speaker 1: was a few blocks away from Sunset Gower. Again, it was, yeah,
Speaker 1: that little sketchy as these motels for us on suns
Speaker 1: Of Boulevard, where these little rent by the hour pieces
Speaker 1: of ship. But it was so hot outside and they
Speaker 1: war Job came to me with a jacket and I
Speaker 1: remember being like, what you want me to put on
Speaker 1: this jacket and they were like, yeah, you gotta wear
Speaker 1: the jacket. And I remember just being so upset and
Speaker 1: I fought back and forth. I was like, but he
Speaker 1: could have left it in the car all that, and
Speaker 1: they were like, no, you gotta put on the jacket.
Speaker 1: We always did that shit where we would try to
Speaker 1: talk to them and like I don't need a bag.
Speaker 1: I don't need a bag. I have my shit in
Speaker 1: my pockets, and they like, you have to wear a bag. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't need a jacket. Quinn ran out of Opa,
Speaker 1: she doesn't need a jacket and they're like, it is
Speaker 1: put your jacket on in DC and no one will
Speaker 1: believe it unless there's a fucking Wolpee coat on you exactly.
Speaker 1: But it was such a great Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: really really sweet scene. And then and then he hands
Speaker 1: her a coffee and then they you know, and then
Speaker 1: they cut to the next scene. I loved it. In
Speaker 1: this episode, um quinn is saying goodbye to Lindsay Dwyer. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's either like you accept this new life and this
Speaker 1: new identity and jump both feet into working at OPA
Speaker 1: and stopping a little bit stop looking back, yeah, or
Speaker 1: like leave but like you can't. This life that you're
Speaker 1: running back to try to get doesn't exist anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was watching the show too and looking at that
Speaker 1: scene and thinking if this was me Gearmo, who they
Speaker 1: had done that too, I would be like help me.
Speaker 1: I'd be like like a big old sobbing like mess,
Speaker 1: like please, somebody put me in a hospital. I can't
Speaker 1: like stranger thing, I would think. I'd be like, what
Speaker 1: alternate reality plane of existence? Are you telling me that
Speaker 1: I'm not the person I was? And here's my new
Speaker 1: fucking identity. His boyfriend's been murdered and I've been in
Speaker 1: a part of a huge fucking trial and I miraculously
Speaker 1: got off, Like yeah, no one's telling me anything, like
Speaker 1: it's insane. Yeah. The next scene that I think is
Speaker 1: is jumping to like the what makes this episode so great?
Speaker 1: Is Um where Huck says, let's go home, and you
Speaker 1: see sort of accept like my new home is Opa,
Speaker 1: and my new home is the identity of Quinn Perkins. Yes, Um,
Speaker 1: Livin Fits are talking on the phone about Pastor Drake
Speaker 1: and there this is where we get into that thing
Speaker 1: we were talking about of it just being like normal
Speaker 1: and they're just like on their phone and they're hysterical
Speaker 1: laughing because she confides and Fits about how Pastor Drake
Speaker 1: actually died. Yeah, yeah, he was kinky, and and they're
Speaker 1: like hysterical and it's so cute. But like the scene
Speaker 1: totally takes a turn because Olivia is realizing through this
Speaker 1: episode that she is the mistress. Like the whole episode
Speaker 1: is the parallel between Lorraine Tucson is Nancy Drake being
Speaker 1: Mellie and Elise Neil Is is is Anna Gordon being Olivia.
Speaker 1: Like Olivia will never get the twenty Christmases that Mellie
Speaker 1: gets to be with. She'll never have Fits his babies,
Speaker 1: She'll never She'll always be the mistress, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, And Olivia's sort of realizing it unfold
Speaker 1: She's watching you know, her sort of experience unfolding in
Speaker 1: like the case of the week. It's like mirroring her experience.
Speaker 1: It's so cool, and she screams at him, I want
Speaker 1: you to cancel the autopsy. That's what I want. I know.
Speaker 1: It goes from them cracking up and like being like
Speaker 1: all cute see with each other, to her like flipping
Speaker 1: out and being like, yeah, this is what I want
Speaker 1: and just screaming her fucking head off. Fits is whipped
Speaker 1: because he does it. He makes it happen. He gives
Speaker 1: Olivia what she wants, and he just did it in
Speaker 1: the episode before, Yeah, doesn't he because he lets Quinn.
Speaker 1: He's the reason why, you know, when Quinn's entire case
Speaker 1: just gets sort of shelved and David Rosen jumps up
Speaker 1: and he's like, what the hell and only the way
Speaker 1: that Josh Molina can um, But you realize, like she
Speaker 1: keeps getting into deep doodoo, but she knows she can
Speaker 1: because she can always fucking call the bad phone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think she knows that she's got him wrapped
Speaker 1: around her little finger, like she she knows, she knows
Speaker 1: he's gon to do what she says, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Um.
Speaker 1: Lorraine Tousson has that most amazing scene with Mellie. Lorraine
Speaker 1: Touissant's character Nancy Drake is supposed to have this like
Speaker 1: sit down for the press with Mellie about the America's
Speaker 1: pastor passing away, and she's taken some shit, which looked
Speaker 1: so fun right in that scene when Olivia's looking at her,
Speaker 1: he's kind of like, what did you take something? She's like, yeah, Zanna,
Speaker 1: I don't know what she's or something. Oh god, that's
Speaker 1: reason I want sive right now. And Olivia's like, we'll
Speaker 1: take some coffee. And then Mellie sits down and she's like,
Speaker 1: my wife, my husband was cheating on me and wait,
Speaker 1: wait what did you say? And Mellie's like, give us
Speaker 1: the room. I just think we need a private moment
Speaker 1: to pray. Yeah, and then there's amazing monologues where like,
Speaker 1: of course, I mean, Scott Scandal television does not get
Speaker 1: monologues too for gladiators listening, Like every TV show that
Speaker 1: G and I've been on, which is a lot, monologues
Speaker 1: are a theatrical theater vehicle. They're not in TV. So
Speaker 1: to be on Scandal where people got I mean, Jeff
Speaker 1: Perry's character fits his character Olivia huck Joe Morton. Everybody
Speaker 1: got beautiful monologues, and they trusted the actors to be
Speaker 1: able to hold the screen like for minutes alone, like
Speaker 1: not popping back and forth around between people. It's just
Speaker 1: like like mouthwatering monologues like we would. I remember always
Speaker 1: being so excited when we would get our monologues. I
Speaker 1: mean we'd be sort of scared. In the beginning. We
Speaker 1: were like, oh my god, it's so many words. But
Speaker 1: then it was like reciting us soliloquy. It was just
Speaker 1: so so good. It was so satisfying to to say
Speaker 1: the words. But also in this scene, I'm glad they
Speaker 1: didn't go for like the cookie cutter sort of angle.
Speaker 1: Before we see Melly consoling missus Drake, Olivia is telling
Speaker 1: Missus Drake just say thank you. Just say thank you
Speaker 1: to everybody, just you know, just look them and say
Speaker 1: thank you. But in that moment, Loring Toussan's character tells
Speaker 1: Mellie he was cheating on me or whatever she says.
Speaker 1: It's real, Like that's real life. I feel like that's
Speaker 1: what a woman would do in that moment and be like,
Speaker 1: fuck that shit, he was cheating on me, the freaking cheater.
Speaker 1: It was just such a real moment. It snaps you
Speaker 1: out of show for a second because you're like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: like this is she's telling her the truth. It's so good,
Speaker 1: it's so juicy, it's so great, it's so good those
Speaker 1: two ladies are. They're so fucking good together. And who
Speaker 1: better to console like right for missus Drake than Mellie,
Speaker 1: who is you know, experiencing the same thing with Olivia
Speaker 1: and her husband. Yeah, and then I wrote down David
Speaker 1: Rosen gets canned. M he sure does. Oh god, we
Speaker 1: are about to embark on season two should just be
Speaker 1: called let's shot on David Rosen the entire season which
Speaker 1: guys gladiators, Let's get humped. This guy gets fucked not
Speaker 1: in a good way, right and left, Like this guy
Speaker 1: gets fired. Dead body shows up in his bed scared. Yes,
Speaker 1: people are hunting him down. He's us It is a
Speaker 1: mess his life. This is the beginning of the worst
Speaker 1: shit ever for this guy. So let's put a pause
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, and also, just real quick, the gentleman
Speaker 1: who fires David Rosen. The actor's name is Sam McMurray,
Speaker 1: who is another I think Katie. When I looked him up,
Speaker 1: he had like one hundred and ninety nine credits, film credits,
Speaker 1: and TV credits. Yes, and I've done two things with him.
Speaker 1: I did a show called United We Fall with him,
Speaker 1: and I did a movie called Second Serve with him.
Speaker 1: He's all. He was also in Adams Family Values, he
Speaker 1: was on The Golden Girls, he was on Miami Vice. Yes. Anyway,
Speaker 1: this actor is amazing. His name is Sam McMurray. He's
Speaker 1: one of those I've never known him. I didn't work
Speaker 1: with him on the Skin of but when I watched this,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, that dude. He's one
Speaker 1: of those dudes that has literally been in fucking everything. Yes, yes, um, okay,
Speaker 1: that's There's an emotional scene in the episode where the
Speaker 1: wife grabs the mistress and her son and takes everybody
Speaker 1: goes up to the caskets to say goodbye to Pastor Drake,
Speaker 1: and it's so listen emotional and great. It's I don't
Speaker 1: know if Mercury is in retrograde this month, but I
Speaker 1: fucking sobbed again watching this episode. In that moment when
Speaker 1: she grabs her out of the pew and she's like
Speaker 1: come like she grabs her and like pulls it like
Speaker 1: like tugs in her closest man and we are going
Speaker 1: to say goodbye to him and bury him. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: oh so good. And can we talk for a second
Speaker 1: about Elise Neil. Elise Neil was in Screen Too, directed
Speaker 1: by Wes Craven. She played She played one of the friends,
Speaker 1: one of Sydney's friends in the beginning of the film,
Speaker 1: and then I believe she gets murdered. I have to
Speaker 1: go back and watch it. But also, um scream. She's
Speaker 1: in Scream two. And Scott Foley is actually in Scream three.
Speaker 1: Why he's the killer in Scream three. Yes, see, I
Speaker 1: don't watch horror movies because I'm terrified and hate them
Speaker 1: and so scared. Yeah, I had no idea. Yeah, Scream three.
Speaker 1: That scene is beautiful, Yes, beautiful, And they follow it
Speaker 1: up with an amazing another great scene between Mellie and
Speaker 1: Fits where they're in the limo and Mellie is just like,
Speaker 1: you have to forgive me, you have to forgive me,
Speaker 1: you have to forgive me, like because they're like our
Speaker 1: friend of ours just died, like either of us could
Speaker 1: die tomorrow. And he's like, I forgive you, and they kiss,
Speaker 1: but then they as soon as they sort of kiss
Speaker 1: and hug, not a real kiss, it's like a peck yeah,
Speaker 1: and like a quick hug. And then they move back
Speaker 1: apart to the opposite sides of the windows in the
Speaker 1: in the limo, and it's like, my god, these people
Speaker 1: are so fucking broken. Well, mostly Fits, right, Fits is
Speaker 1: kind of the one. He's like holding your and telling
Speaker 1: me I forgive you, and then he goes back to
Speaker 1: his paperwork and he's like, hello, Yeah, She's like this
Speaker 1: relationship is fucked. Oh and she's pregnant. And she's pregnant Katie.
Speaker 1: This is one of those moments which I'm embarrassed to say.
Speaker 1: I was like, what is she asking him to forgive
Speaker 1: her for? I know? Is it because just all the
Speaker 1: does he know about He doesn't know about Cytron and
Speaker 1: all that stuff yet, right, No, but she well, well
Speaker 1: she knows because she rigged the election, right, she knows
Speaker 1: about that. He This is what happened. They're starting this
Speaker 1: season two storyline where they're trying to push Fits into
Speaker 1: a war that it seems like he doesn't want in Sudan,
Speaker 1: and somebody mocks up even goes so far as to
Speaker 1: like mock up of photo in this episode of Sudanese
Speaker 1: children who have been like murdered, and everyone's pushing for
Speaker 1: this war, and even Mellie makes a play to push
Speaker 1: him into war, and he is like, fuck you, you
Speaker 1: can't fucking do that. But Mellie, because she's a political animal,
Speaker 1: she's always also angling for like what she wants the
Speaker 1: presidency to be doing and which they want to make
Speaker 1: and so when she's asking for forgiveness, she's like, I overstepped.
Speaker 1: I overstepped. I'm sorry, Please forgive me. What happened to us?
Speaker 1: What happened to us? We used to just be like
Speaker 1: a little couple that like had sex in like our
Speaker 1: one bedroom apartment. And he's like, I forgive you. And
Speaker 1: then he's like, but I don't like you. But I
Speaker 1: don't like you. I don't like your ass um We
Speaker 1: end we're starting to end the episode with you have
Speaker 1: your I go back to my AA meeting where it's
Speaker 1: a yeah. And now the difference in the episode is
Speaker 1: because Kerry just Olivia just worked on this case and
Speaker 1: she sees that the mistress never really gets shit when
Speaker 1: Fitz keeps trying to call her and call her and
Speaker 1: call her for their usually nightly phone sex. Hang, she
Speaker 1: don't pick up you don't pick up that phone. And
Speaker 1: then we moved to a scene where Jeff Perry is like, no, no,
Speaker 1: you can't have a baby because I have a baby
Speaker 1: and his name is Fitzgerald. He's a little baby bitch.
Speaker 1: And then they fuck and then Dan is like, whoa
Speaker 1: that turns me on? Yeah, power Cyrus is so hot?
Speaker 1: Yeah right or something like that. Is it an from
Speaker 1: a gay man's point of view? Do you think in
Speaker 1: their relationship that it is clear who's top and whose bottom? No,
Speaker 1: it's not. I was thinking about that too. I was like,
Speaker 1: who's the top? Sometimes it's the unexpected one sometime, so
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, where you're like, oh shit, James
Speaker 1: is the top. That's the feeling I got. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: seeing that Cyrus was a bottom, Yes, But you just
Speaker 1: blew my mind because I would think stereotypically being a
Speaker 1: boring breeder as I am myself, and they listen, if
Speaker 1: it wasn't for a couple of breeders, none of our
Speaker 1: should we even be here anymore? I don't know, but listen.
Speaker 1: I watched that scene and I'm like, okay, Like, obviously
Speaker 1: Cyrus is a power top and Dan is a bottom,
Speaker 1: but there's also explained to people you can also be
Speaker 1: in a relationship where people switch no of course, yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and relationships where you know, intercourse, like you know, fucking
Speaker 1: is not even a thing you do. There's so many,
Speaker 1: you know, ton of other stuff jobs all day, all
Speaker 1: night exactly. Yeah, give a handy blow job, sir. We're
Speaker 1: both talking like a little bit hesitantly because we don't
Speaker 1: know how fun if this was me and Katie, like
Speaker 1: at my house or at her house, we'll be like,
Speaker 1: my god, we might get there in the podcast, we might.
Speaker 1: Can you hit us up and let us know how
Speaker 1: interested you are in hearing real dirty shit out of
Speaker 1: our mouth or is it, like you know what, Let's
Speaker 1: keep this a little bit scandal style, which is like
Speaker 1: a ten PM, not like a one am exactly. Go
Speaker 1: get a snack, take a crap, and come right back.
Speaker 1: Verna Thornton we meet her in this episode. Debor Mooney
Speaker 1: is such fucking actress and we get so much of
Speaker 1: Debor Mooney this season. This is just the beginning. This
Speaker 1: is the beginning for her. Yeah, and she's amazing and
Speaker 1: we have to have her on, especially for the episode
Speaker 1: where she Um, well, I don't know who's got that
Speaker 1: episode is so important. We're not gonna get there yet,
Speaker 1: We're not. You just gotta keep listening to our podcast.
Speaker 1: We reveal the end cliffhanger of this episode two o two,
Speaker 1: with David just fucking beautiful minding his apartment. Yes, he's
Speaker 1: just Oh I think it was called in the script
Speaker 1: wall Oh crazy? Oh really? How do you remember that?
Speaker 1: I have this weird memory of like David's wall of crazy.
Speaker 1: It's just like he's just got a wall because they
Speaker 1: kept being like, you don't want Abby to walk in
Speaker 1: and see the wall of crazy. Or maybe it's Brenda
Speaker 1: Song's character later on become that holds it a wall.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Yeah, but it mimics like our wall at OPA,
Speaker 1: right because we put up all the people's photo he's
Speaker 1: not like strings and yeah yeah yeah yeah. But also
Speaker 1: I don't want us to forget. There's a moment with
Speaker 1: you with Quinn in the apartment watching the president give
Speaker 1: the speech at the eulogy at the funeral, and you
Speaker 1: so beautifully break down, sobbing. Oh Katie, that was such
Speaker 1: a great scene. Yes, because you're mate, I feel like
Speaker 1: you're obviously we talked about it earlier. You're making your
Speaker 1: peace with with your life. You're you. Part of you
Speaker 1: is dying as well. That eulogy is for you too,
Speaker 1: you know Lindaire died Yeah, after Tearstead. I love the
Speaker 1: question mark. Possibly, I don't know. You tell me. I
Speaker 1: can't remember if I hadn't in me that day or not.
Speaker 1: Some days obviously g and I remember really well, like
Speaker 1: Amanda Tanner's more ex we were a ball of crying
Speaker 1: and of emotions and yes, and then there are some
Speaker 1: I can't remember if I had it that day well,
Speaker 1: tearstick or not. It was a beautiful, beautiful moment and
Speaker 1: and just just that being revealed, and you get that
Speaker 1: comes across so beautifully that you're like, oh, she's mourning.
Speaker 1: She's mourning, Lindsay Dwyer, like Quinn is mourning her old self.
Speaker 1: Just a great scene, by bye, my main Dyer, Lindsay Dwyer.
Speaker 1: Fun fact about this episode. This is a horror heavy
Speaker 1: guest cast, isn't it. Gee, we already knew that. We
Speaker 1: already talked about that. Elise neil Anna Gordon plays Hallie
Speaker 1: and Scream Too, which is directed by Wes Craven. Have
Speaker 1: you ever worked with Wes Craven. I haven't and unfortunately
Speaker 1: he's passed on now, but that was one of my
Speaker 1: dream directors. Yeah. So the other horror heavy, the horror
Speaker 1: fun fact Guermo is that the house that Anna, the
Speaker 1: character and the mistress lives in in this house is
Speaker 1: the house from a Nightmare on Elm Street, which is
Speaker 1: also directed by Wes Craven. So there was just a
Speaker 1: lot of horror shit going on. Yes, if people people
Speaker 1: from California know this house is it's there's always people
Speaker 1: out front taking pictures. It's the it's the exterior of
Speaker 1: the house where Nancy lived in Nightmare on Elm Street. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's such a great fun fact board. Would I never
Speaker 1: know that because I would never watch that movie, right m.
Speaker 1: One other fun fact list that needs to be brought
Speaker 1: up is that this episode is designed to be a
Speaker 1: mirror for Olivia and fits his relationship through the appearance
Speaker 1: of Pastor Drake's infidelities. But the use of mirrord elements
Speaker 1: is apparent even throughout the episode. The episode begins and
Speaker 1: ends almost with a phone call from Fits. That's mirror one.
Speaker 1: David Rose's home is a wall of mirrors. The board
Speaker 1: in OPA office. Oh right, David Rosen's wall of crazy mirrors,
Speaker 1: like you said, gr board of the OPA office. Mellie's
Speaker 1: her beg to fits uses almost the exact same words
Speaker 1: as he does to Olivia sh another mirror, and then
Speaker 1: Vincent Anna and Pastor Drake's son is the spitting image
Speaker 1: of his father. So the whole episodes theme, yes, is
Speaker 1: mirror and didn't we learn a lot today? Are there
Speaker 1: any fun Scandal tweets at the time to wrap up
Speaker 1: episode two or two? Let's see here, Let's see what
Speaker 1: we got here through. Oh, there's really cute. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: there's a flashback photo that Mary tweeted on October fourth
Speaker 1: of twenty twelve, episode two of two. Crew screening of
Speaker 1: ABC Scandal during lunch. You guys, we used to screen
Speaker 1: episodes during the crew during lunch in our big like
Speaker 1: conference room that was where we did all of our
Speaker 1: table reads, where there were just a ton of old
Speaker 1: school folding chairs. They used to put it like two
Speaker 1: or three big screen TVs on like rolling things, and
Speaker 1: the whole crew would gather instead of like taking punch
Speaker 1: and like taking a break of their own, everyone would
Speaker 1: gather and watch the episodes together, Like, who the fuck
Speaker 1: does that? That's so rare on like the crew on
Speaker 1: a show or a movie. I mean, of course they're
Speaker 1: there and they're amazing, but the last thing I think
Speaker 1: they want to do is go and watch like a
Speaker 1: you know, a screening of the episode. But it would
Speaker 1: hype people up so much because the show is so hot,
Speaker 1: that people would just be like, oh my god, we're
Speaker 1: working on the most amazing show. It would just everybody up.
Speaker 1: It was dope. Yeah. I just love this photo most
Speaker 1: of all, guys, This Mary Howard photo of the crew screening.
Speaker 1: It just everyone's arms are up and smiling and laughing
Speaker 1: and like it's from every department. I miss all those
Speaker 1: people so much. Hey, maybe some of the crews listening today.
Speaker 1: If some of the crews listening today, we love you, guys,
Speaker 1: We miss you. Episode two oh three is next week.
Speaker 1: Episode two oh three is called Hunting Season. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness. Hopefully we've got we've got a guest
Speaker 1: coming on. But if not, Episode two or three is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite episodes of season two. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of fucking camp David and Goldwin, like chopping wood. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: say no more. Maybe I think he chops wood. But
Speaker 1: if he doesn't chop wood, I know he laces up
Speaker 1: Olivia's hunting boots really angrily. Yeah, because they're supposed to
Speaker 1: go hunting and she gets summoned to Camp David because
Speaker 1: he's so fucking pissed off that she's not answering his
Speaker 1: phone calls. And it's really steamy and it's really fucking
Speaker 1: hot and it's really angry. And so episode two or
Speaker 1: three Hunting Season will be next week. Tune in, tell
Speaker 1: your friends, subscribe Scandal Rewatch podcast Unpacking the Toolbox. Yes,
Speaker 1: we'll be here, we'll be here, and hopefully you guys
Speaker 1: will you go. Gee, let's talk about how many people
Speaker 1: we've had sex with? And by that, I'm saying how
Speaker 1: many people? How many numbers? Feeling like we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about her IMDb numbers. How many numbers do we got?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Gero, you have a hundred and four
Speaker 1: and that's including seven to eight years being on one job,
Speaker 1: crazy crazy, crazy crazy. Hey, that's pretty good. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: so let it be here known first. That's right, she
Speaker 1: might have one hundred and four. I AMDB credits. I'm
Speaker 1: not only a fifty but I am more famous than
Speaker 1: Gamo by like, yeah, nothing, you better tell somebody, but
Speaker 1: that's today, Garmo. If you just release a sex tape tonight,
Speaker 1: that number will go way down. Oh my god, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's starting. Bullshit used to make me ill. Like I
Speaker 1: remember in my twenties auditioning and being like this dude
Speaker 1: I broke up with, Like, I was so angry and
Speaker 1: my friend was like, well, whatever you're starting is way
Speaker 1: better than his. Are you serious? Oh my god? And
Speaker 1: I was like I can never look at this again.
Speaker 1: This is not healthy. Well, today's episode was really really exciting.
Speaker 1: We had the best time as usual and listen to
Speaker 1: the two most famous people in the world talk about
Speaker 1: past all I mean talk about Scandal episodes two h three.
Speaker 1: Hunting Season will be next week. Tell your friends, Tell
Speaker 1: your loved ones. I love you, Germel, I love you.
Speaker 1: Katie Lows, not Katie Lows Shapiro, just Katie total vanity,
Speaker 1: just like my name better right. Hell yeah, well you
Speaker 1: are pretty famous, so that star meter would go up
Speaker 1: if you took Shapiro. Maybe. Gladiators, We love you, We
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