1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Schondoland Audio in 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: partnership with iHeartRadio. Katie Well, oh man, here we go. 3 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: We should like do this um Scandal Rewatch podcast Unpacking 4 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: the Toolbox and Katie Los Katie your last night, I 5 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: was thinking, do you go back just Katie Lows? Are 6 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: you Katie Los Shapiro? Are you hyspenated just Sucker's last name? 7 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: You said, Hell, no, I'm sucking Katie Lows. Bitch. You 8 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: know what I was in the Bear don't you? Who 9 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: know who I am? Anyway? Wow, Today we're talking about 10 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: episode two O two, Yes, The Other Woman, which aired 11 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: on October fourth in twenty twelve, written by Heather Mitchell 12 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: and directed by Stephen Crag. Yes. Yes, and the guest 13 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: star list is but we got to name it because 14 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: here on the Scandal Rewatch podcast we respect our guest stars. Yes, 15 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: because they're usually like pretty freaking amazing. Yeah. I mean 16 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: the first, main, big one is Lorraine Toussaint, who plays 17 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: Nancy Drake, who is just a wonderful actor. She's she's 18 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: one of those people that when you see her face, 19 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: so you see her in one thing, you're like, oh 20 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: my god, I've seen her in a thousand things, like 21 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: she's in so much, she's a she's from Trinidad. Nice 22 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: fun fact. Yeah, nice fun fact there. But yeah, she's amazing. 23 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: And then we got a lease Neil and John deal 24 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: dial How do you say that? Maybe we'll just give 25 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: it a deal? Dial Dial Deal, John Deal, Dial deal. 26 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: We got Leslie great and John Deal played ray Dwire. 27 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: Who's Lindsay Dwyer's dad? Oh that I watched this episode 28 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: and now we're starting to get into the part of 29 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: the Scanal Rewatch podcast on packing the Toolbox where I 30 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: don't remember shooting that. No, really, I distinctly remember standing 31 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: with you outside of that motel. I remember that later 32 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: in the episode. Yes, we'll talk about I do not 33 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: remember shooting the scene with the dad. No, no, no, 34 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: do you remember Do you remember the lady staring at 35 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: Quinn at Lindsay Dwyer? Yo? I wish we could have 36 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: gotten her name and given her a shout out because 37 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: homegirl is so freaking good and committed and annoying. Oh, 38 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: she's just perfect for the role. How dare this Molotov 39 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: mistress a bitch? Come and sit in and have a 40 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: fucking coffee? In our small at a looma California town, 41 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: with her omelet on her plate that she never touches. 42 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: I wrote in my notes, is it a wig or 43 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: not a wig? Not a wig? It's not a wig. 44 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: I do kind of remember that woman. The other people 45 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: we have is Leslie. Leslie Grossman is Lisa, who's the 46 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: DC Corner. She was amazing. Mark Espinoza's Chairman of Joint Chiefs. 47 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: Greg Henry is Hollis Doyle. Deborah Mooney is Verna Thornton, 48 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: who is constant recurring. Wendy Davis is Kimberly Mitchellson McMurray 49 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: is the US attorney Pat Wexler. Joe Holt, who's a 50 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: friend of mine, a Secretary of Defense Virginia Louise Smith 51 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: as Secretary of State. J Jackson is local anchor. If 52 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: y'all don't remember this episode, let's just jog ye old memory, 53 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: Ye old memory. Olivia has to deal with the ramifications 54 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: of Quinn's jaw dropping court verdict as Abby continues to 55 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: press Olivia for answers and Quinn takes a trip back home. 56 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: The firm represents the widow of a very prominent pastor 57 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: who had a secret life with his mistress and son. 58 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: Olivia works on striking a deal to keep Pastor Drake's 59 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: other life a secret before the funeral. Meanwhile, in the 60 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: White House, Cyrus and Fitz deal with a foreign policy 61 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: emergency that was potentially fabricated by the CIA. What the hell, dude, 62 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: that was stupendous. I also think your scandal pace is 63 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: always so good because I understand what you're saying, like 64 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: you're putting the inflection on the correct word. Listen, I 65 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: thank you, But I always understand your scandal pace. So anyway, 66 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: I have to admit sometimes I'm just not smart enough 67 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: for this show. And all of the CIA fabrication of 68 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: what was going on, I was like, wait, hold up, 69 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: he me twine they do that? I was like, Yo, 70 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: I know, shit is corruptle, What the hell are they 71 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: just making a fucking photo of jed children in Sudan? 72 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: Is it because the dude that did it? What is he? 73 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: The head of the CIA? Is it because he's he 74 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: wants the president to go to war and he's a 75 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: Republican and he wants me? I don't know. I was 76 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: confused too. Well. Let it be known here that Garm 77 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: and I on this rewatch podcast. We don't completely understand 78 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: what's going on, which listen, listen. I feel like a 79 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: lot of the audience, our listeners will understand. And it's 80 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: okay because this show has so much in it that 81 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: it doesn't matters. Yes, But also, Katie, do you remember 82 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: ever being on set like and I'd be like, I 83 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: know me mostly I'd be like, Katie, I don't know 84 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: what's happening, Like, what's happening on the show, because yes, 85 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: I remember we see the start of this episode that 86 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: Olivia and the President have started this relationship where they're 87 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: like old school fucking late night phone calls, yeah, where 88 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: they're just like talking about their life and Olivia's in 89 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: bed and she's like it can't keep teaking calls from 90 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: my married ex boyfriend. Yes, yeah, which is so cute. 91 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: I think it's like so normal. Yeah, weird to see 92 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: them like normal. Like they're not at a white House dinner, 93 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: they're not like on the trail, they're not doing any 94 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: of those things. They're literally just like talking on the 95 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: phone yea gossiping, right, They're just like like telling each 96 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: other's shit from their day and stuff. Yeah. It's okay, 97 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: you know for those of those of us who were 98 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: a little on the older side. That's the way we 99 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: used to chat with our with the people we were 100 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: seeing or dating or whatever. You'd be on the phone 101 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: for freaking hours. Oh my god, Yeah, my parents got me. 102 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: I mean, this is some boogie ass fucking white privilege 103 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: shit right here. My parents were my sixteenth birthday, I 104 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: think got me my own phone line. I got my 105 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: own fucking line because I think my parents found out 106 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: that it was like twenty five more cents, like a 107 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: fucking hour or whatever if they just gave me my 108 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: own phone, because I was clogging that ship up, Like 109 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: I was on the phone all day with bitches and 110 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: fucking night boyfriends. Like oh yeah, that's the way it 111 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: went down. Yeah yeah, Dearmo, you didn't have your own line, 112 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: noll No. We had one phone hanging in the hallway 113 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: of our New York City Washington Heights apartment with a chord. 114 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: The only time it got bougie for us is when 115 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: my parents are like, We're like, we're going to buy 116 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: a longer core. I'd walk into like the bathroom and 117 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: close the door in the kitchen. You'd have to hawk 118 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: is a aa yep. I think this is the first time, 119 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: right Katie, that we see him. Yeah, I think this 120 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: is the first time we see you Hawk in AA. Yeah. 121 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: I remember shooting the scene the AA scene because it 122 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: was like just a few blocks away from Sante Gower, 123 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: which is where the stage is where we shot Scandal, 124 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,239 Speaker 1: and it was like in the basement of a church, 125 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, and it was really cool. And also, 126 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, I was gonna I was gonna say too, 127 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: I have a sort of a history with A because 128 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: my ex used to be in A But I used 129 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: to go to the meetings with him. And I'm not 130 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: an alcoholic. Well maybe i am, but no, just a 131 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: little bit. But I don't have a problem, no disrespect 132 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: with you. I no, no, no, no no. But you 133 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: have a personal relationship to being a Alana. Yeah yeah, right, right, 134 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: right right. But I used to go to the meetings 135 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: and get so much out of them, like I really 136 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: enjoyed because it's all about you know, very spiritual, yes, 137 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: and lifting the person up and giving them encouragement. It 138 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: was it was wonderful and I really got a lot 139 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: out of it. Those rooms are really really special and 140 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: so for you to get to stand there and talk 141 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: about fucking killing people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well that's why 142 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: I thought about me going to the meetings, because I 143 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: would go. But it wasn't about having an addiction. It 144 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: was I was just getting a lot more out of 145 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: it just for life in general. And so so huck 146 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: Is doesn't have an alcohol problem either, He's going because 147 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: he's you know, whiskey represents him killing people and torturing people. 148 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: So I wonder if they would have done like a 149 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: like coverage of like with the people in the meeting, 150 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: like what the fuck is this guy talking about? Because 151 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: he's like, I'm really good at drinking whist. I don't 152 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: think they ever flip it around. They never flip around, No, no, 153 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: trist Yeah, but it was so interesting. Oh no, it 154 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: totally works. I actually I've never even realized it until 155 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: you just said that. Yeah, Quinn is being a stupid 156 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: bid bitch in Olivia's apartment and I'm like so mad, 157 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: and so like, why is it anyone telling me anything? 158 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: Everyone messed up my life and no one's telling me why. 159 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: And um, I mean, I don't know if other people 160 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: got that out of my performance, but I definitely felt 161 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: like nails on a chalkboard watching I think people felt 162 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: Winn's frustration, right. I love this sheet her line to 163 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: Olivia's like I got more sleep in prison. Oh, they 164 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: like tossed that away into a pillow because I doubt 165 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: my acting choice was at all good. Now I wasn't 166 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: in these scenes. But the episode features like the America's pastor, 167 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: Pastor Drake, who's incredible and obviously had this like very 168 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: public beautiful marriage to Lorraine Twusn's character Nancy Drake, but 169 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: the whole time, for fifteen years, he's been shipping this 170 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: other woman named Anna Gordon. But you find the episode 171 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: in like a classic Olivia Pope o pa handling the 172 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: situation where the wife calls they can't find Pastor Drake. 173 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: You guys get led to a camera across the street 174 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: from the hay Adams Hotel, and you are in the 175 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: hotel and you hear like a whir and they open 176 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: the door and they find Pastor Drake on top o 177 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: top of his mistress and she's handcuffed to the bed, 178 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: and no one knows it first until Huk kind of 179 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: runs in and checks and knows, like right away the 180 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: guy's been dead and she's been like stuck under there 181 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: because the bro was like, yeah, home was a big boy. 182 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: What I found so amusing was watching the episode and 183 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: the first thing that happens is huck rushes in checks 184 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: his pulse and he's like he's been dead for seven hours. 185 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: Whatever the funk I said, And then Abby says something 186 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: in Olivia, and then there's a moment we're all just 187 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: standing there like, m what do we do now? And 188 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: the whole time watching the episode, I was like, this 189 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: girl is stuck under this large as man and nobody's like, 190 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: there was no nobody in rush to be like, They're 191 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: just like, dude, to do I didn't. I'm gonna have 192 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: to go back and wash up because I did not 193 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: catch that at all. I love the part of this 194 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: scene is this this This is the scene where she's like, 195 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: what do you need to do to get rid of 196 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: the body? And you're like and You're like, you're like lusty. 197 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: You're like lusty, like describing all the tools in which 198 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: you would need to dispose of a body this big, 199 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: and she yes, I mean to just move the body. 200 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh well then just like and your body 201 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: some sheets, yeah or whatever. You're like, you're so psyched 202 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: that you were going to cut this dude up. Yeah, 203 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: but he's also super embarrassed, I think is he's like, 204 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: oh my god. They're like, oh my god, I'm so 205 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: fucked up. Yeah, Like clearly you clearly Huck knows he 206 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: has a problem because you're going to aa so like 207 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: you know that things are a rye in your mental health. Yeah, 208 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: and he could feel himself, you know, slipping, yeah, and 209 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: going closer to the dark side. But yeah, that that 210 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 1: was such a great mind. Olivia's look to hook is like, motherfucker. 211 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: I was talking about moving him, not chopping him up. 212 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: So good, so good, but she's also like, you know, 213 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: like there's the fright in her face, like, oh my god, 214 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: this motherfucker was ready to talk him up in the 215 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: midst of this whole um montage about moving his body 216 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: because their goal is to like clean up the scene, 217 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: which is super illegal, and to get that body back 218 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: to in bed where he would live, like I mean, 219 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: so that they can sort of stage it, like keeping 220 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: his rep clean. That like if he's not found with 221 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: the hooker, but he's found that he just like had 222 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: a heart attack in bed, that it would be much 223 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: better for his look and his wife's reputation and his 224 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: legacy and all of that. But in the midst of 225 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: all these scenes, there's such a great scene between Dan 226 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: and Jeff oh so much, where he's yes, I hate 227 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: that I married a Republican. Yes, I want a baby, 228 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: a fat one, a smushy one. Yes, it seems so cute. 229 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: Oh it's so good. You know. I wrote down in 230 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: my notes that they they fight like a real couple. 231 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean, because we see couples on TV all the time, 232 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: and sometimes, you know, you kind of get the chemistry. 233 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't. But I feel like, um, like Dan 234 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: and Jeff, like their chemistry was fire from the beginning, 235 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: like they just it just clicked. But also Jeff, Jeff 236 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: and Dan. I was gonna say Jeff because Jeff is 237 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,599 Speaker 1: a you know, as a straight man. He's married to 238 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: Linda Lowey, who was our casting director, and um, but 239 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: he Jeff is such an amazing, fucking skilled Like he's 240 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: one of those actors that just is no joke. He's 241 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: a genius. So I knew he was going to approach 242 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: this gay character with you know, just complete completely embracing 243 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: it and being as real as possible and not having 244 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: any hang ups about it. And that comes across, you 245 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like they really come across as 246 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: a real couple. They totally do. And I think I 247 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: think when we have a mom will have to ask him. 248 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: But I'm pretty sure he's played gay characters multiple times 249 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: in his sure. I think, yeah, I think he's played that, 250 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: like from his early twenties on. I think what's probably 251 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: weirdest for them is that, and I can't wait to 252 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: ask them about this, is that Jeff and Dan have 253 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: been real life friends for like town of years. Oh, 254 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I'm sure that do with that. 255 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: It would be weird if you were a girl too, 256 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: But like they have to make out, you know what 257 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: I mean, Like like Linda cast Don Ruth. Dan Bougatinski's husband, 258 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: Don Ruth is a big screenwriter and Linda cast his 259 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: movies like twenty years ago. They've all four been friends 260 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: for a very long time. Wow. And so I think 261 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: it was probably weirder than anything that, like Jeff, I'm 262 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: gonna have to make up with like a dear friend 263 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: of mine, you know, more than anything else. Oh, okay, 264 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: what about this part? Who was it in the script 265 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: that all the OPA people use the same deodorant. Oh 266 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: my god, I wrote notes on that too, right. I 267 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: think they were trying to give the feeling on the 268 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: show that obviously they've been up all night and moving 269 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: this guy and they're probably sweating, and they're all passing 270 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: this deodorant. It's such an odd but like such an 271 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: odd but interesting moment. Yeah. Yes, and you're the only one. 272 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: Huck is the only one that doesn't his dirty ass, 273 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: and he's probably the one that needs it the most. 274 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: I was like, what do you what are you doing? Like, 275 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: put that ship under your arms. It's secret. We all 276 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: know how strong secret is. It won't pick up this 277 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: skankass ship from one person's arms another, Like I feel 278 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: like it's a secret magic about secret that like you're 279 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: gonna be fine, that is. I just loved it, Like 280 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: I thought it was so fulfilial and like we've been 281 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: up all night and we have no fucking boundaries. Yeah, 282 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: and there's no I love it. No one's even commenting 283 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: on this, like like, oh, it's just like happening while 284 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: you're working on the case. Yeah. And then we get 285 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: to oh I think this is when Quinn goes this here. 286 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: Oh no, you come and you realize I'm gone and 287 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: I Quinn goes to see your dad, which I don't 288 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: remember shooting this scene. I don't remember this scene. John 289 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: John Deal Deal Dal Deal Dal Deal. Um, he's a 290 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: fucking dope actor. I love him. I love this. Oh yeah, 291 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: he's been a ton of stuff. I looked up. I 292 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: looked him up on IMDb and IMDb and he's done 293 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: over one hundred and thirty one hundred and forty films 294 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: and TV shows. Yeah, way, yeah. Some of his credits 295 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: are escaped from New York. Me up, what's my number? 296 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: I haven't, but I'm going to write right after we 297 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: finish the podcast. Number is a shit. But in the meantime, 298 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: John Deal Deal Dal Deal, Dude Dial. He was an 299 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: escape from the Orc. He was in Miami Vice, The 300 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: Outer Limits, X Files. Yeah. Anyway, he's been in a 301 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: ton of stuff and he was He's really great in 302 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: the episode you Know what's slowly coming back for me, 303 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: which is making me sad. What is I kind of 304 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: remember vaguely him saying like, oh, this is so great. 305 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: I get cast as your dad. They're going to be 306 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: bringing me back a lot. You're so many, Katie, I 307 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: feel like so many actors and even me. I remember 308 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: saying that to some actors, like when they were casts, 309 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: like a cut's girlfriend. I'd be like, oh my god, 310 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: this is awesome. You're for sure coming back. And then 311 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, they killed this bitch off. Oh good, Well, 312 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: all your girlfriends had a pretty long run. You know. 313 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: Actors are so like, we have to be nomadic. That's 314 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: how it is. It's it's actually like unheard of to 315 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: stay in any one job for a long time, which 316 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: was why Scandal is such a unicorn. Yeah, but most 317 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: of the time that's not our story, and we go 318 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: where the wind takes us. I mean, I've been cut 319 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,239 Speaker 1: out of so much fucking shit, and everyone has their 320 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: story of like they've been fired, and then there's like 321 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: amazing miracle stories like Bellamy Young, who I think was 322 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: always to do like three episodes in season one or something. Yeah, 323 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: So you know, there's like ups and downs and it 324 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: is what it is. But I do remember the dad 325 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: being like, oh man, I think they're gonna call me back, 326 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, fuck man, no, I don't. I 327 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: don't remember what I said, but probably not something that 328 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: made him feel any better. Um, go get a snack. 329 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: And we'll be right back. Okay. Then what happens Guerremo? Well, 330 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: how goes to check on Quinn? Is the next thing 331 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: that I have that sort of happens, right, yes, right. 332 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: Olivia's like, go check on Quinn because she was a 333 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: little bit jumpy this morning when you said Aslee better 334 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: in prison, all that stuff. Stuff to check on Quinn. 335 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: She's nowhere to be found. Yep, because I went to Petaluma, 336 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: California to visit my daddy to try to get back 337 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: to them in my normal life. We're ready at the 338 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: point where you're meeting up with your dad and and 339 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: Huck somehow miraculously shows up there and Quinn's like, what 340 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: the hell are you doing here? Like? Can I not 341 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: go anywhere without you? People like following me. I kind 342 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: of remember shooting that. I feel like I have photos 343 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: of that day that I have to find, right. But 344 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: Huck's like, you have such a beautiful monologue to me. 345 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: But we're at some like Motel six where I feel like, 346 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,479 Speaker 1: my god, you and I shot there like a thousand times. 347 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: I don't know why you kind of shot the season 348 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: one when you like abducted me and you had to, 349 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: like I feel like you had to like throw me 350 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: over your shoulder, and I was like, I am so sorry. 351 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: Was that in season? Was that season one? Yeah? Maybe 352 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: it was when they do the flashback and like somebody's 353 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: like watching, Yeah, I think maybe even Susie Poorfar's characters 354 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: like standing outside of the motel and you see like 355 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: Huck take me away, and yes, I kind of remember 356 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: vaguely me being like, oh my god, I can't believe 357 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: you have to haul me over your fucking shoulder. Like 358 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: that was not safe. It doesn't matter how heavy or 359 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: light you are, that sh is not safe, not good 360 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: for a body. Okay, so you come and we have 361 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: this awesome scene at the motel where Huck is like 362 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: overcoming shoulders and he's like, this is where they took you. 363 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: And I'm like, something's I don't know what are you 364 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: talking about? Yeah? Yeah, oh yeah that's what I say, 365 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: what are you talking And you say, no, this is 366 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: where they took you. Yeah. Seven people might have been 367 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: blown up that day in Citron, but it wasn't seven. 368 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: It was really eight eight that died. Yeah. I remember 369 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: shooting that scene Katie, and it was so hot. We're 370 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: shooting it in Hollywood a few blocks I think it 371 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: was a few blocks away from Sunset Gower. Again, it was, yeah, 372 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: that little sketchy as these motels for us on suns 373 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: Of Boulevard, where these little rent by the hour pieces 374 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: of ship. But it was so hot outside and they 375 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: war Job came to me with a jacket and I 376 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: remember being like, what you want me to put on 377 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: this jacket and they were like, yeah, you gotta wear 378 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: the jacket. And I remember just being so upset and 379 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: I fought back and forth. I was like, but he 380 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: could have left it in the car all that, and 381 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: they were like, no, you gotta put on the jacket. 382 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: We always did that shit where we would try to 383 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: talk to them and like I don't need a bag. 384 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: I don't need a bag. I have my shit in 385 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: my pockets, and they like, you have to wear a bag. Yeah, 386 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: I don't need a jacket. Quinn ran out of Opa, 387 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: she doesn't need a jacket and they're like, it is 388 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: put your jacket on in DC and no one will 389 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: believe it unless there's a fucking Wolpee coat on you exactly. 390 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: But it was such a great Yeah, that was a 391 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: really really sweet scene. And then and then he hands 392 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: her a coffee and then they you know, and then 393 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: they cut to the next scene. I loved it. In 394 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: this episode, um quinn is saying goodbye to Lindsay Dwyer. Right. Yeah, 395 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 1: it's either like you accept this new life and this 396 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: new identity and jump both feet into working at OPA 397 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: and stopping a little bit stop looking back, yeah, or 398 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: like leave but like you can't. This life that you're 399 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: running back to try to get doesn't exist anymore. Yeah. 400 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: I was watching the show too and looking at that 401 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: scene and thinking if this was me Gearmo, who they 402 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: had done that too, I would be like help me. 403 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: I'd be like like a big old sobbing like mess, 404 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: like please, somebody put me in a hospital. I can't 405 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: like stranger thing, I would think. I'd be like, what 406 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: alternate reality plane of existence? Are you telling me that 407 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm not the person I was? And here's my new 408 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: fucking identity. His boyfriend's been murdered and I've been in 409 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: a part of a huge fucking trial and I miraculously 410 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: got off, Like yeah, no one's telling me anything, like 411 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: it's insane. Yeah. The next scene that I think is 412 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: is jumping to like the what makes this episode so great? 413 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: Is Um where Huck says, let's go home, and you 414 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: see sort of accept like my new home is Opa, 415 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: and my new home is the identity of Quinn Perkins. Yes, Um, 416 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: Livin Fits are talking on the phone about Pastor Drake 417 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: and there this is where we get into that thing 418 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: we were talking about of it just being like normal 419 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: and they're just like on their phone and they're hysterical 420 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: laughing because she confides and Fits about how Pastor Drake 421 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: actually died. Yeah, yeah, he was kinky, and and they're 422 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: like hysterical and it's so cute. But like the scene 423 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: totally takes a turn because Olivia is realizing through this 424 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: episode that she is the mistress. Like the whole episode 425 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: is the parallel between Lorraine Tucson is Nancy Drake being 426 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: Mellie and Elise Neil Is is is Anna Gordon being Olivia. 427 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: Like Olivia will never get the twenty Christmases that Mellie 428 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: gets to be with. She'll never have Fits his babies, 429 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: She'll never She'll always be the mistress, you know what 430 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, And Olivia's sort of realizing it unfold 431 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 1: She's watching you know, her sort of experience unfolding in 432 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: like the case of the week. It's like mirroring her experience. 433 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: It's so cool, and she screams at him, I want 434 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: you to cancel the autopsy. That's what I want. I know. 435 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,239 Speaker 1: It goes from them cracking up and like being like 436 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: all cute see with each other, to her like flipping 437 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: out and being like, yeah, this is what I want 438 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: and just screaming her fucking head off. Fits is whipped 439 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: because he does it. He makes it happen. He gives 440 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: Olivia what she wants, and he just did it in 441 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: the episode before, Yeah, doesn't he because he lets Quinn. 442 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: He's the reason why, you know, when Quinn's entire case 443 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: just gets sort of shelved and David Rosen jumps up 444 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: and he's like, what the hell and only the way 445 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: that Josh Molina can um, But you realize, like she 446 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: keeps getting into deep doodoo, but she knows she can 447 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: because she can always fucking call the bad phone. Yeah, 448 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: and I think she knows that she's got him wrapped 449 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: around her little finger, like she she knows, she knows 450 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: he's gon to do what she says, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Um. 451 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: Lorraine Tousson has that most amazing scene with Mellie. Lorraine 452 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: Touissant's character Nancy Drake is supposed to have this like 453 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: sit down for the press with Mellie about the America's 454 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: pastor passing away, and she's taken some shit, which looked 455 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: so fun right in that scene when Olivia's looking at her, 456 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: he's kind of like, what did you take something? She's like, yeah, Zanna, 457 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: I don't know what she's or something. Oh god, that's 458 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: reason I want sive right now. And Olivia's like, we'll 459 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: take some coffee. And then Mellie sits down and she's like, 460 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: my wife, my husband was cheating on me and wait, 461 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: wait what did you say? And Mellie's like, give us 462 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: the room. I just think we need a private moment 463 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: to pray. Yeah, and then there's amazing monologues where like, 464 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: of course, I mean, Scott Scandal television does not get 465 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: monologues too for gladiators listening, Like every TV show that 466 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: G and I've been on, which is a lot, monologues 467 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: are a theatrical theater vehicle. They're not in TV. So 468 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: to be on Scandal where people got I mean, Jeff 469 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: Perry's character fits his character Olivia huck Joe Morton. Everybody 470 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: got beautiful monologues, and they trusted the actors to be 471 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: able to hold the screen like for minutes alone, like 472 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: not popping back and forth around between people. It's just 473 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: like like mouthwatering monologues like we would. I remember always 474 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: being so excited when we would get our monologues. I 475 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: mean we'd be sort of scared. In the beginning. We 476 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: were like, oh my god, it's so many words. But 477 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: then it was like reciting us soliloquy. It was just 478 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: so so good. It was so satisfying to to say 479 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: the words. But also in this scene, I'm glad they 480 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: didn't go for like the cookie cutter sort of angle. 481 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: Before we see Melly consoling missus Drake, Olivia is telling 482 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: Missus Drake just say thank you. Just say thank you 483 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: to everybody, just you know, just look them and say 484 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: thank you. But in that moment, Loring Toussan's character tells 485 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: Mellie he was cheating on me or whatever she says. 486 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: It's real, Like that's real life. I feel like that's 487 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: what a woman would do in that moment and be like, 488 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: fuck that shit, he was cheating on me, the freaking cheater. 489 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,239 Speaker 1: It was just such a real moment. It snaps you 490 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: out of show for a second because you're like, oh shit, 491 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: like this is she's telling her the truth. It's so good, 492 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: it's so juicy, it's so great, it's so good those 493 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: two ladies are. They're so fucking good together. And who 494 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: better to console like right for missus Drake than Mellie, 495 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: who is you know, experiencing the same thing with Olivia 496 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: and her husband. Yeah, and then I wrote down David 497 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: Rosen gets canned. M he sure does. Oh god, we 498 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: are about to embark on season two should just be 499 00:27:53,240 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: called let's shot on David Rosen the entire season which 500 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: guys gladiators, Let's get humped. This guy gets fucked not 501 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: in a good way, right and left, Like this guy 502 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: gets fired. Dead body shows up in his bed scared. Yes, 503 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: people are hunting him down. He's us It is a 504 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: mess his life. This is the beginning of the worst 505 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: shit ever for this guy. So let's put a pause 506 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, and also, just real quick, the gentleman 507 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: who fires David Rosen. The actor's name is Sam McMurray, 508 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: who is another I think Katie. When I looked him up, 509 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: he had like one hundred and ninety nine credits, film credits, 510 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 1: and TV credits. Yes, and I've done two things with him. 511 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: I did a show called United We Fall with him, 512 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: and I did a movie called Second Serve with him. 513 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: He's all. He was also in Adams Family Values, he 514 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: was on The Golden Girls, he was on Miami Vice. Yes. Anyway, 515 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: this actor is amazing. His name is Sam McMurray. He's 516 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 1: one of those I've never known him. I didn't work 517 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 1: with him on the Skin of but when I watched this, 518 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, that dude. He's one 519 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: of those dudes that has literally been in fucking everything. Yes, yes, um, okay, 520 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: that's There's an emotional scene in the episode where the 521 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: wife grabs the mistress and her son and takes everybody 522 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: goes up to the caskets to say goodbye to Pastor Drake, 523 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: and it's so listen emotional and great. It's I don't 524 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: know if Mercury is in retrograde this month, but I 525 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: fucking sobbed again watching this episode. In that moment when 526 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: she grabs her out of the pew and she's like 527 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,719 Speaker 1: come like she grabs her and like pulls it like 528 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: like tugs in her closest man and we are going 529 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: to say goodbye to him and bury him. Oh my gosh, 530 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: oh so good. And can we talk for a second 531 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: about Elise Neil. Elise Neil was in Screen Too, directed 532 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: by Wes Craven. She played She played one of the friends, 533 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: one of Sydney's friends in the beginning of the film, 534 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: and then I believe she gets murdered. I have to 535 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: go back and watch it. But also, um scream. She's 536 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: in Scream two. And Scott Foley is actually in Scream three. 537 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: Why he's the killer in Scream three. Yes, see, I 538 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: don't watch horror movies because I'm terrified and hate them 539 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: and so scared. Yeah, I had no idea. Yeah, Scream three. 540 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: That scene is beautiful, Yes, beautiful, And they follow it 541 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: up with an amazing another great scene between Mellie and 542 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: Fits where they're in the limo and Mellie is just like, 543 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: you have to forgive me, you have to forgive me, 544 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: you have to forgive me, like because they're like our 545 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: friend of ours just died, like either of us could 546 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: die tomorrow. And he's like, I forgive you, and they kiss, 547 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: but then they as soon as they sort of kiss 548 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: and hug, not a real kiss, it's like a peck yeah, 549 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: and like a quick hug. And then they move back 550 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: apart to the opposite sides of the windows in the 551 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: in the limo, and it's like, my god, these people 552 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: are so fucking broken. Well, mostly Fits, right, Fits is 553 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: kind of the one. He's like holding your and telling 554 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: me I forgive you, and then he goes back to 555 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: his paperwork and he's like, hello, Yeah, She's like this 556 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: relationship is fucked. Oh and she's pregnant. And she's pregnant Katie. 557 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: This is one of those moments which I'm embarrassed to say. 558 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: I was like, what is she asking him to forgive 559 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: her for? I know? Is it because just all the 560 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: does he know about He doesn't know about Cytron and 561 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: all that stuff yet, right, No, but she well, well 562 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: she knows because she rigged the election, right, she knows 563 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: about that. He This is what happened. They're starting this 564 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: season two storyline where they're trying to push Fits into 565 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: a war that it seems like he doesn't want in Sudan, 566 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: and somebody mocks up even goes so far as to 567 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: like mock up of photo in this episode of Sudanese 568 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: children who have been like murdered, and everyone's pushing for 569 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: this war, and even Mellie makes a play to push 570 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: him into war, and he is like, fuck you, you 571 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: can't fucking do that. But Mellie, because she's a political animal, 572 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: she's always also angling for like what she wants the 573 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: presidency to be doing and which they want to make 574 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: and so when she's asking for forgiveness, she's like, I overstepped. 575 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: I overstepped. I'm sorry, Please forgive me. What happened to us? 576 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: What happened to us? We used to just be like 577 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: a little couple that like had sex in like our 578 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: one bedroom apartment. And he's like, I forgive you. And 579 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: then he's like, but I don't like you. But I 580 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: don't like you. I don't like your ass um We 581 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: end we're starting to end the episode with you have 582 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: your I go back to my AA meeting where it's 583 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: a yeah. And now the difference in the episode is 584 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: because Kerry just Olivia just worked on this case and 585 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: she sees that the mistress never really gets shit when 586 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: Fitz keeps trying to call her and call her and 587 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: call her for their usually nightly phone sex. Hang, she 588 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: don't pick up you don't pick up that phone. And 589 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: then we moved to a scene where Jeff Perry is like, no, no, 590 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: you can't have a baby because I have a baby 591 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: and his name is Fitzgerald. He's a little baby bitch. 592 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: And then they fuck and then Dan is like, whoa 593 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: that turns me on? Yeah, power Cyrus is so hot? 594 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: Yeah right or something like that. Is it an from 595 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: a gay man's point of view? Do you think in 596 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: their relationship that it is clear who's top and whose bottom? No, 597 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: it's not. I was thinking about that too. I was like, 598 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: who's the top? Sometimes it's the unexpected one sometime, so 599 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, where you're like, oh shit, James 600 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: is the top. That's the feeling I got. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 601 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: seeing that Cyrus was a bottom, Yes, But you just 602 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: blew my mind because I would think stereotypically being a 603 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: boring breeder as I am myself, and they listen, if 604 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,479 Speaker 1: it wasn't for a couple of breeders, none of our 605 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: should we even be here anymore? I don't know, but listen. 606 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: I watched that scene and I'm like, okay, Like, obviously 607 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: Cyrus is a power top and Dan is a bottom, 608 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: but there's also explained to people you can also be 609 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: in a relationship where people switch no of course, yeah yeah, yeah, 610 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: and relationships where you know, intercourse, like you know, fucking 611 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: is not even a thing you do. There's so many, 612 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: you know, ton of other stuff jobs all day, all 613 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 1: night exactly. Yeah, give a handy blow job, sir. We're 614 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: both talking like a little bit hesitantly because we don't 615 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: know how fun if this was me and Katie, like 616 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: at my house or at her house, we'll be like, 617 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: my god, we might get there in the podcast, we might. 618 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: Can you hit us up and let us know how 619 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: interested you are in hearing real dirty shit out of 620 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: our mouth or is it, like you know what, Let's 621 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: keep this a little bit scandal style, which is like 622 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: a ten PM, not like a one am exactly. Go 623 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: get a snack, take a crap, and come right back. 624 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: Verna Thornton we meet her in this episode. Debor Mooney 625 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: is such fucking actress and we get so much of 626 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: Debor Mooney this season. This is just the beginning. This 627 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: is the beginning for her. Yeah, and she's amazing and 628 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 1: we have to have her on, especially for the episode 629 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: where she Um, well, I don't know who's got that 630 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: episode is so important. We're not gonna get there yet, 631 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: We're not. You just gotta keep listening to our podcast. 632 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: We reveal the end cliffhanger of this episode two o two, 633 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: with David just fucking beautiful minding his apartment. Yes, he's 634 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: just Oh I think it was called in the script 635 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: wall Oh crazy? Oh really? How do you remember that? 636 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: I have this weird memory of like David's wall of crazy. 637 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: It's just like he's just got a wall because they 638 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: kept being like, you don't want Abby to walk in 639 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: and see the wall of crazy. Or maybe it's Brenda 640 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 1: Song's character later on become that holds it a wall. 641 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Yeah, but it mimics like our wall at OPA, 642 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: right because we put up all the people's photo he's 643 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: not like strings and yeah yeah yeah yeah. But also 644 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: I don't want us to forget. There's a moment with 645 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: you with Quinn in the apartment watching the president give 646 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: the speech at the eulogy at the funeral, and you 647 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: so beautifully break down, sobbing. Oh Katie, that was such 648 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: a great scene. Yes, because you're mate, I feel like 649 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 1: you're obviously we talked about it earlier. You're making your 650 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: peace with with your life. You're you. Part of you 651 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: is dying as well. That eulogy is for you too, 652 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: you know Lindaire died Yeah, after Tearstead. I love the 653 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: question mark. Possibly, I don't know. You tell me. I 654 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: can't remember if I hadn't in me that day or not. 655 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: Some days obviously g and I remember really well, like 656 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: Amanda Tanner's more ex we were a ball of crying 657 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: and of emotions and yes, and then there are some 658 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: I can't remember if I had it that day well, 659 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: tearstick or not. It was a beautiful, beautiful moment and 660 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: and just just that being revealed, and you get that 661 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 1: comes across so beautifully that you're like, oh, she's mourning. 662 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: She's mourning, Lindsay Dwyer, like Quinn is mourning her old self. 663 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: Just a great scene, by bye, my main Dyer, Lindsay Dwyer. 664 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,280 Speaker 1: Fun fact about this episode. This is a horror heavy 665 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: guest cast, isn't it. Gee, we already knew that. We 666 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: already talked about that. Elise neil Anna Gordon plays Hallie 667 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: and Scream Too, which is directed by Wes Craven. Have 668 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 1: you ever worked with Wes Craven. I haven't and unfortunately 669 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: he's passed on now, but that was one of my 670 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: dream directors. Yeah. So the other horror heavy, the horror 671 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: fun fact Guermo is that the house that Anna, the 672 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: character and the mistress lives in in this house is 673 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: the house from a Nightmare on Elm Street, which is 674 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: also directed by Wes Craven. So there was just a 675 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: lot of horror shit going on. Yes, if people people 676 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: from California know this house is it's there's always people 677 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: out front taking pictures. It's the it's the exterior of 678 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: the house where Nancy lived in Nightmare on Elm Street. Anyway, 679 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: that's such a great fun fact board. Would I never 680 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: know that because I would never watch that movie, right m. 681 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: One other fun fact list that needs to be brought 682 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: up is that this episode is designed to be a 683 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: mirror for Olivia and fits his relationship through the appearance 684 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: of Pastor Drake's infidelities. But the use of mirrord elements 685 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: is apparent even throughout the episode. The episode begins and 686 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: ends almost with a phone call from Fits. That's mirror one. 687 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: David Rose's home is a wall of mirrors. The board 688 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: in OPA office. Oh right, David Rosen's wall of crazy mirrors, 689 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 1: like you said, gr board of the OPA office. Mellie's 690 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 1: her beg to fits uses almost the exact same words 691 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: as he does to Olivia sh another mirror, and then 692 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: Vincent Anna and Pastor Drake's son is the spitting image 693 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: of his father. So the whole episodes theme, yes, is 694 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: mirror and didn't we learn a lot today? Are there 695 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: any fun Scandal tweets at the time to wrap up 696 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: episode two or two? Let's see here, Let's see what 697 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: we got here through. Oh, there's really cute. Oh my god, 698 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,399 Speaker 1: there's a flashback photo that Mary tweeted on October fourth 699 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: of twenty twelve, episode two of two. Crew screening of 700 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: ABC Scandal during lunch. You guys, we used to screen 701 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: episodes during the crew during lunch in our big like 702 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: conference room that was where we did all of our 703 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: table reads, where there were just a ton of old 704 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: school folding chairs. They used to put it like two 705 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: or three big screen TVs on like rolling things, and 706 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: the whole crew would gather instead of like taking punch 707 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,439 Speaker 1: and like taking a break of their own, everyone would 708 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: gather and watch the episodes together, Like, who the fuck 709 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: does that? That's so rare on like the crew on 710 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,359 Speaker 1: a show or a movie. I mean, of course they're 711 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: there and they're amazing, but the last thing I think 712 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: they want to do is go and watch like a 713 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, a screening of the episode. But it would 714 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,720 Speaker 1: hype people up so much because the show is so hot, 715 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 1: that people would just be like, oh my god, we're 716 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: working on the most amazing show. It would just everybody up. 717 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,879 Speaker 1: It was dope. Yeah. I just love this photo most 718 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: of all, guys, This Mary Howard photo of the crew screening. 719 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,760 Speaker 1: It just everyone's arms are up and smiling and laughing 720 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: and like it's from every department. I miss all those 721 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: people so much. Hey, maybe some of the crews listening today. 722 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: If some of the crews listening today, we love you, guys, 723 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: We miss you. Episode two oh three is next week. 724 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 1: Episode two oh three is called Hunting Season. Oh yes, 725 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: oh my goodness. Hopefully we've got we've got a guest 726 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: coming on. But if not, Episode two or three is 727 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: one of my favorite episodes of season two. Yeah, there's 728 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:08,959 Speaker 1: a lot of fucking camp David and Goldwin, like chopping wood. Yes, yeah, 729 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: say no more. Maybe I think he chops wood. But 730 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: if he doesn't chop wood, I know he laces up 731 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: Olivia's hunting boots really angrily. Yeah, because they're supposed to 732 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: go hunting and she gets summoned to Camp David because 733 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: he's so fucking pissed off that she's not answering his 734 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 1: phone calls. And it's really steamy and it's really fucking 735 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: hot and it's really angry. And so episode two or 736 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: three Hunting Season will be next week. Tune in, tell 737 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,359 Speaker 1: your friends, subscribe Scandal Rewatch podcast Unpacking the Toolbox. Yes, 738 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: we'll be here, we'll be here, and hopefully you guys 739 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: will you go. Gee, let's talk about how many people 740 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: we've had sex with? And by that, I'm saying how 741 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: many people? How many numbers? Feeling like we're going to 742 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: talk about her IMDb numbers. How many numbers do we got? 743 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Gero, you have a hundred and four 744 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,439 Speaker 1: and that's including seven to eight years being on one job, 745 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:11,720 Speaker 1: crazy crazy, crazy crazy. Hey, that's pretty good. Okay, Okay, 746 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: so let it be here known first. That's right, she 747 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: might have one hundred and four. I AMDB credits. I'm 748 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,359 Speaker 1: not only a fifty but I am more famous than 749 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: Gamo by like, yeah, nothing, you better tell somebody, but 750 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: that's today, Garmo. If you just release a sex tape tonight, 751 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: that number will go way down. Oh my god, Okay, 752 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 1: that's starting. Bullshit used to make me ill. Like I 753 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: remember in my twenties auditioning and being like this dude 754 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: I broke up with, Like, I was so angry and 755 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: my friend was like, well, whatever you're starting is way 756 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 1: better than his. Are you serious? Oh my god? And 757 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: I was like I can never look at this again. 758 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,799 Speaker 1: This is not healthy. Well, today's episode was really really exciting. 759 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: We had the best time as usual and listen to 760 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: the two most famous people in the world talk about 761 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: past all I mean talk about Scandal episodes two h three. 762 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: Hunting Season will be next week. Tell your friends, Tell 763 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: your loved ones. I love you, Germel, I love you. 764 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: Katie Lows, not Katie Lows Shapiro, just Katie total vanity, 765 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,359 Speaker 1: just like my name better right. Hell yeah, well you 766 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 1: are pretty famous, so that star meter would go up 767 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: if you took Shapiro. Maybe. Gladiators, We love you, We 768 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: love you guys. Bye, Thank you guys for joining us 769 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: on unpacking the Toolbox. If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, 770 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: share with your friends, rate, or leave us a review. 771 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, alex Alcha, Lauren Homan, 772 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is 773 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: Vince to Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher. Scandal is 774 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 1: a production of ABC Signature, and you can follow along 775 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: by rewatching Scandal on Hulu. Unpacking the Toolbox is a 776 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 1: production of Shondaland Audio in partnership with iHeartRadio. 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