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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast presented by by Star Credit

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Speaker 1: with Jedguars Senior writer John Osan. All right, welcome into

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Speaker 1: this week's Ozone podcast presented by by Star and uh,

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Speaker 1: sort of an obvious guest this week an incredibly timely guest.

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Speaker 1: But for me, any week that I can talk to

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Speaker 1: Peter King of Football Morning in America is a good week. Peter,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. We'll get to Urban Meyer,

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Speaker 1: who's obviously the topic of our conversation today next. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ask you about Tony to Sally this time?

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Speaker 1: How about that? So talking Tony anytime? You know that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll put that on hold. But are first of all,

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Speaker 1: league wide, how are you in terms of covering the

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Speaker 1: league right now? Are you back to normal at all?

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Speaker 1: And any impressions right now? What's going on with the lead? Um?

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm hoping I see Tom Pellisero of NFL

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Speaker 1: Network has reported that it appears that most offseason programs

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Speaker 1: will be able to begin in the month of April.

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Speaker 1: So that's obviously welcome to all the teams in the league. Um,

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Speaker 1: And and look, I as of right now, John, my

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Speaker 1: intention is to travel to one or more places for

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Speaker 1: the draft this year, not not to Cleveland, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I always try to go to a very newsy team

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Speaker 1: or teams. And I haven't really decided yet, because I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you right now there are some teams that are

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Speaker 1: going to be open to the media on draft weekend,

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Speaker 1: and there are some teams that say we're doing it

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Speaker 1: virtual again. So that's why I don't. I don't have

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Speaker 1: going to go. But you know, whatever the rules are,

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Speaker 1: all abide by them and and just try to get

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Speaker 1: be as insightful as I can. You know, are the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars as as fascinating a team as you're seeing or

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Speaker 1: I guess the question is are they as fascinating nationally

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Speaker 1: as they appear to us here locally? Oh? I think

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Speaker 1: they are. What I see right now is is a

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Speaker 1: team that has gotten the jolt of adrenaline and then

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Speaker 1: some um from Urban Meyer, from Trevor Lawrence, from seventy

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Speaker 1: million in cap room, from all those things. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens, and we'll see what develops. But

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Speaker 1: I think the most interesting thing about the team right now,

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Speaker 1: and you know, Urban said it to me the other

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Speaker 1: day is uh is basically if you think about it,

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Speaker 1: and and I mean it's a difficult, difficult thing to

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Speaker 1: if you think about it, what he says is absolutely true,

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Speaker 1: which is that it's probably the most important offseason that

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Speaker 1: this team has had. When you think about it, you know,

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Speaker 1: money of any team in free agency. Those are all

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Speaker 1: huge factors in the sort of redevelopment of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it reminded me of Peter and as you know, I

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Speaker 1: was fortunate enough to be around when the whole thing

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Speaker 1: feels like sort of a combination of two or three

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Speaker 1: In an era where five year plans made more sense.

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Speaker 1: This sort of feels like all of it put together

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Speaker 1: respect your opinion a great deal on NFL people. Uh, first,

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Speaker 1: just give me your overall impressions of talking to Urban.

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Speaker 1: I don't how much you talked to him before, never

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Speaker 1: and he certainly does have I can see very much.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that Jimmy said basically is that, hey,

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Speaker 1: like this. We've done it the Trevor News. Uh. Obviously

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Speaker 1: And to me when he said, uh, I'm certainly I'm

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Speaker 1: I mean, John, you you know from covering this league

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Speaker 1: and thank you. I basically thought to myself, um but

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Speaker 1: easy decision. I got you. I'm gonna ask a very

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Speaker 1: important these days? They have a franchise guy just as important.

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Speaker 1: and and the answer is it changes everything. But I'm wondering,

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Speaker 1: it's more, it's more, it's more now, it's more now.

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Speaker 1: Peter King, thank you. They no problem. John, have a

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