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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here as always

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Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong and Body Moven. It is Tuesday, September second, man,

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Speaker 2: does it feel like Monday?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 2: A longest Monday ever, the double Monday, as I felt

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Speaker 2: as it felt today, It was like a roughree entry

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Speaker 2: back into the real world, record scratch. But so glad

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Speaker 2: to be with you guys tonight because we have a

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Speaker 2: stacked night of headlines and it is talked Back Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: So buckle up, everybody. We're so glad that we get

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Speaker 2: to be together tonight because look, Geelane Maxwell files. There's

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Speaker 2: been a very big dump. Thirty three plus thousand files

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Speaker 2: apparently have been released just before we went on air,

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Speaker 2: So this is happening in unfolding real time. There's been

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Speaker 2: some immediate chatter online and in the news, etc. So

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Speaker 2: Back Tuesday lots of Brian Coburger Idaho massacre questions, so

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Speaker 2: we've been stacking them and you know, hopefully we'll get

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Speaker 2: through all of them this evening, as well as a

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Speaker 2: smathering of many others. So welcome to the post Labor

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Speaker 2: Day stretch, everybody. We're off to a good start. If

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Speaker 2: through a lot of great talkbacks tonight, Courtney, Where should

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Speaker 2: we begin?

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Speaker 4: So this is feedback we got from a listener, and

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Speaker 4: we always listen. We call for it and say give

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Speaker 4: us your feedback, and sometimes you get exactly what you

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Speaker 4: ask for. So this is no, no, no, no. We're

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Speaker 4: going to listen with two years open, so oh no. Overall,

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Speaker 4: a great show, been listening since the beginning. Not a

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Speaker 4: fan of the Tuesday episodes though some some listener commentary

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Speaker 4: not a great use of time.

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Speaker 2: I also don't think the.

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Speaker 4: Tuesday shows do the host justice because there's too much

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Speaker 4: quote I don't know and I don't remember when when

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Speaker 4: I know, they're all extremely intelligent, show up to the

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Speaker 4: other evening super prepared. I think Tuesdays would be stronger

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Speaker 4: without the roulette format. Cherry picks smart topics and calls

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Speaker 2: I think that's all. So this is pretty good feedback.

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Speaker 2: I mean critical, fair, but that's fair feedback. You know,

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Speaker 2: there is some truth to it. The sponsor nation having

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Speaker 2: sometimes just a live caller or immediate like the satisfaction

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Speaker 2: right away is fun. But that is totally fair because

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Speaker 5: Right and you know, as somebody like I've been interested

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Speaker 5: in true crying for many, many, many, many many years,

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Speaker 5: and I kind of pride myself on trying to keep

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Speaker 5: the talkback Roulette because I feel like it's a challenge,

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Speaker 5: Like I'm on the edge of my seat, like what's next,

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Speaker 5: What's do I Am I going to know it now,

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Speaker 5: but I understand where she's where she's coming from, because

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Speaker 5: there are cases that you know, maybe the three of

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: But also, yeah, we have taken some of the talkbacks

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Speaker 4: and then we go ahead and do the research.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point. I'm strong chances are we should

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Speaker 2: have given this feedback to ourselves last night.

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Speaker 4: It's yeah, Tuesday, on Tuesday, it's stuff on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: But I think that it's something we can implement next week.

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Speaker 5: We have listeners that are you know, beginning entry into

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Speaker 2: No, it's a broad knowledge base. It's it's hard. Well,

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Speaker 5: For the constructive feed totally. Yeah, like it's but it's

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Speaker 5: constructive but also critical. You know, critical thinking is not

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Speaker 5: a bad thing. I think collectively we do far too

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Speaker 5: A little bit. I'll speak for myself, but it's a

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Speaker 5: good I think everybody should learn about logical fallacies. Like,

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Speaker 5: that's the homework tonight, Go learn about logical fallacies, Michael.

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Speaker 2: Thinking, Wait, logic logical fallacy too.

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Speaker 5: I love them, like red herrings or slippery slopes at

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Speaker 2: Interesting. They're like that you used in argument.

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Speaker 4: I used to teach just in a rhetoric class and said,

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Speaker 2: It's like you're giving me you're giving me anyway, biases

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and those are all really important when you're talking

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Speaker 5: about true crime because there's a lot of logical fallacies

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Speaker 5: everybody has like a bias of something, so about these things. Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 2: Way, to that end, we don't know everything, period, the

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Speaker 2: And therefore we're just very honest when we don't know something.

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Speaker 2: So maybe just sort of curating some of the callers

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Speaker 2: really good point. So let's try that for suore next week,

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Well, Gilane Maxwell, I mean, honestly, let's start there. We

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Speaker 5: Do I have no idea what's going on? So I'm

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Speaker 5: learning real time what's going to Stephanie? Like, I really

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Speaker 4: As we were going on to the Air and House

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Speaker 2: So and much has been made of this.

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Speaker 4: However, the if we're going to play sides, which people

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Speaker 4: the transparency and accessibility, and many people are noting that

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Speaker 2: So it looks like kind.

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Speaker 2: And just to offer some context on that, so remember

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Speaker 2: today post the Labor Day weekend, and first order of business,

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Speaker 2: testified against what she has done, you know, she's a

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Speaker 2: and why is there so much mass confusion about releasing

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Speaker 2: information about sex criminals.

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Speaker 5: This is your crime Tonight on iHeartRadio, I am Body

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Speaker 5: Movin and I'm here with Courtney Armstrong and STEPHANIELI Jaker,

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Speaker 5: and we're right in the middle of talking about Gilaine Maxwell,

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Speaker 5: and we're going to take some talkbacks. Let's go to

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Speaker 5: one right now.

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Speaker 6: Hi, my name is David Gray.

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Speaker 6: I am from Mete Arizona, and I have a comment

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Speaker 6: about the Epstein and the woman that's in the cushy jail. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: the only way she got there, and this is basically

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Speaker 6: a comment. Basically the way she got there. There's tape

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Speaker 6: somewhere and that's how she's getting what she's getting. There's

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Speaker 6: proof somewhere that they higher ups, whether it's President Flinton

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Speaker 6: or Trump or somebody, there's pictures and video of them

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Speaker 6: in that place. That's why she's getting what she's getting. Thanks,

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Speaker 6: love your show. It's amazing. I have a nice night.

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Speaker 2: What a great talk back. And I'm going to just

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Speaker 2: a raid, for example, on Epstein's home and they were

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Speaker 9: Hi there, how is everybody tonight?

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Speaker 2: We're so good. It's so good to hear from you live. Finally, Cynthia, we.

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Speaker 2: Totally.

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Speaker 4: Cynthia, you make good so many great, great, great points.

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Speaker 5: Thank you to respond to, because yeah, you said a lot,

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Speaker 2: Had two things. One thing will also in terms of

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Speaker 4: One other point to touch on, Cynthia was that ultimately

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Speaker 5: So it wasn't Ann Taylor. It was her office, the

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Speaker 10: Next, high ladies, the Sinsley calling from Canada. Now that

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Speaker 10: they have the CA's DNA, when they run it through codis,

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Speaker 10: do they run it against any crime that's ever been committed?

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Speaker 10: Or do they have to run the DNA crime by crime,

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Speaker 10: so if they thought maybe he killed someone somewhere else,

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Speaker 10: Or is there a way to search a DNA for

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Speaker 2: it's a loaded one because you know, it would seem

435
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Speaker 2: as though we will get to a place at some

436
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 2: point forensically where you can just load up some DNA

437
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: into the system and it does a cross reference to

438
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Speaker 2: every every crime ever committed. You know, that seems like

439
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Speaker 2: we should be heading in that direction, But I do

440
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Speaker 2: think I don't think that's as simple as how it works.

441
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Speaker 2: And typically it's case by case and you have to

442
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Speaker 2: have cause, et cetera, and it's a fairly laborious process. Courtney,

443
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Speaker 2: is that accurate?

444
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Speaker 4: I think I'm actually I'm trying to refresh so I

445
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Speaker 4: don't give wrong facts. This is something I do want

446
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 4: to come back to, and actually after the break, I'm

447
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 4: gonna dust it off a little bit. But yeah, I

448
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 4: don't know that it's as easy as just testing for

449
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Speaker 4: any and all crimes.

450
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Speaker 2: But boy, is that a great idea.

451
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 4: And Stephanie, as you mentioned, probably I'm not too far

452
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Speaker 4: off reality.

453
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Speaker 2: And we should have to go ahead. We should talk

454
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Speaker 2: to authoram authoram ordinary company that is really doing this

455
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: really forward thinking dynamic testing, specifically in Idaho as well.

456
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 2: So they're doing such incredible work. Maybe we can sort

457
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 2: of have them on the show and talk to them

458
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: a little bit about their fire.

459
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Speaker 5: So I don't know, if they're going to run like

460
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Speaker 5: Brian Coberger's DNA, because here's the thing, they did run

461
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 5: it through Cotis, there was no hit, right, So if

462
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Speaker 5: his DNA was in the system because he had DNA

463
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Speaker 5: from another crime, there would be a hit. It just

464
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Speaker 5: they wouldn't have a name, right, So I know that

465
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Speaker 5: they I know that they already did the KTIS thing

466
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Speaker 5: and his DNA was not in the system. Again, it

467
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Speaker 5: would have showed up like, oh, there was an unsolved

468
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 5: murder in Pennsylvania, let's say, right, but we just don't

469
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Speaker 5: know who it is. And now they know that there

470
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Speaker 5: was a murder in Pennsylvania, now this murder in Moscow, Idaho,

471
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Speaker 5: and the same person is responsible for both. So we

472
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Speaker 5: do know that the CODIS stuff already happened. Whether they take,

473
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Speaker 5: you know, the buckle swab that they took from him

474
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 5: when he was arrested and run it through Cotis a

475
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 5: second time, I don't think so. But we do know

476
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 5: that they did investigate other cases. Remember his parents had

477
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 5: to testify at that grand jury hearing. Exactly or the

478
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 5: disappearance of that that woman in twenty twenty one, I

479
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 5: think it was, and there was no finding that he

480
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 5: had anything to do with it, but they were investigating

481
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Speaker 5: other things. So I'm sure that that's happening, But I

482
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 5: just don't know that running it through Cotis again would

483
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Speaker 5: happen because they already.

484
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Speaker 2: Did it, right, No, nice to make sense. Yeah, we

485
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: have another talkback right now.

486
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Speaker 3: When you guys talked about b K and the way

487
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: he labeled contacts in his phone, it really reminded me

488
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 3: of Randy Kraft, the Scorecard Killer. I'm not sure if

489
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Speaker 3: you guys are familiar with this case, but I think

490
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Speaker 3: that you should look into it. I think it could

491
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Speaker 3: be another serial killer that may have taken inspiration from

492
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Speaker 3: Thank you, guys, have a good night.

493
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Speaker 5: The Scorecard Killer. So this happened in Orange County, where

494
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 5: I'm from.

495
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, this one's like right in

496
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: your old bodackyard.

497
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 4: You're not literally just talking about this minutes before the

498
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Speaker 4: show started.

499
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasnight.

500
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Speaker 4: No, you have stepped out, Stephanie. No, that's that's good mind,

501
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 4: that's kind of weird.

502
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 2: I'm gonna freaking out right now. I'm not gonna lie.

503
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 5: So, yeah, Randy Kraft, he was the Scorecard Killer and

504
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 5: he was active in southern California. In the seventies into

505
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 5: the early eighties, and he was convicted for killing sixteen men.

506
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: Why would m hm? And he he did.

507
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 5: He was very prolific and very rarely talked about, like

508
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 5: very rarely talked about. But the thing that was interesting

509
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 5: about him was he kept like a scorecard and he.

510
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: He had like.

511
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 5: A list of things, and they were things like, you know,

512
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Speaker 5: maybe locations of maybe where bodies were, and checkmarks.

513
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: It was like a to do list, almost like a scorecard.

514
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 5: Very but we should talk about it some day because

515
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 5: it's very very interesting.

516
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 4: We should cover it. I've never heard and now I've

517
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 4: heard of it twice.

518
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, did you know stuff?

519
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 5: He was kind of mixed in with other killers at

520
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 5: the time, like the freeway killer. Did you guys ever

521
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 5: heard about the freeway killer? M okay, Well, he was

522
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 5: kind of mixed in with all of those and those

523
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 5: were like more high profile, even though Randy Craft was

524
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 5: more prolific.

525
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 2: Very interesting.

526
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 5: The media plays a lot of a role into it

527
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 5: because Randy Craft was killing gay men, right, and therefore.

528
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: It wasn't getting the same amount of kay exactly exactly.

529
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: We should talk about it. It's very dive on to that, right,

530
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: because I remember listen, you've talked about this a few times,

531
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: and Corey, I don't remember this happening before the show. Yes,

532
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 2: I stepped out, But that's pretty weird. That is so

533
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: odd serendipitous.

534
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 5: He would keep notes like marine head like and they

535
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 5: don't know if that's like a location, or if that's

536
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 5: like a description of one of his victims, or he

537
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 5: had like golden sales as another one like, he just

538
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 5: had like little notes.

539
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: But when they like, course, I'd have to research it again.

540
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 5: It's been a hot minute since I've talked about it,

541
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 5: but or since I've thought about it, except for just.

542
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: Like twenty five minutes ago. But it is very interesting.

543
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: It is very interesting. But thank you for that talkback.

544
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: That's very cool.

545
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 5: I don't know, I just I feel like, you know,

546
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 5: the investigators think they were like coded references to his

547
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 5: victims because they matched some of the things matched his victims.

548
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, sixteen men, and they think there's more.

549
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 4: Actually, well in the quick Google as many as up

550
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: to fifty one.

551
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 5: Yes, well, because there were so many active serial killers

552
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 5: at the time. Again, this was a different time technology.

553
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 5: We didn't have cameras, we didn't have cell phones, we

554
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 5: didn't you know. So people were getting away with stuff

555
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 5: a lot easier than they are today. Right, So his

556
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 5: other killers got like mixed in with him, so they

557
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 5: don't know the accurate amount because I guess, And we're

558
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 5: so many. The freeway killer was going out at the time.

559
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 5: We could talk about that too, and.

560
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: A lot in California, it seems, yeah, all at once. Yeah, wow, Oh,

561
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 4: dial those ring cameras up.

562
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Speaker 2: And yes it is talk Back Tuesday and we get

563
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Speaker 2: to hear from you. So join us eight eight eight

564
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Speaker 2: three one crime. Leave us a talk back on the

565
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. It's free, or you could always hit us

566
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: up on our socials. So we're going to go to

567
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Speaker 2: a DM. Is that what's happening right now? Oh? Yeah, goodness.

568
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 5: We got a DM from Ruth and it says, hi, ladies.

569
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Speaker 5: I've been a fan of your show since its inception,

570
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 5: and I loved every minute of it. I love that

571
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 5: you cover a variety of crime stories and you do

572
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 5: it with such heart, and I love when Joseph Scott

573
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 5: Morgan is on. He gives such great insight into the

574
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Speaker 5: forensics piece of the puzzle. I don't have a question

575
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 5: for you, but I've been wondering if Brian Coberger went

576
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Speaker 5: the criminology degree to keep himself under the radar.

577
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

578
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 5: If he will that much of a planner, but it

579
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 5: wouldn't surprise me. I've been fascinated with crimes since the

580
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 5: Manson murders. I was recently cleaning up my garage and

581
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 5: it came across the newspaper clippings of that crime. I

582
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 5: hope I know Exalma Rose, but that is when this

583
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 5: all started for me. Thank you again for all you do,

584
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 5: keep us informed. Keep up the great work. Wow, Ruth, thank.

585
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: You, Ruthanks so interesting love for Joseph.

586
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 5: The heart of her question is, I've been wondering if

587
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 5: Brian Koberger went for the criminology degree to keep himself

588
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 5: under the radar.

589
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a.

590
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 5: Combination, don't you, Guys kind of think it's a combination

591
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 5: of keeping him under the radar and learning like about

592
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 5: how crimes are processed and how to get into the

593
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 5: mind of a criminal and those kinds of things, like

594
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 5: almost like kind of like self validating himself a little bit.

595
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: Or maybe he was scratching an itch, right, So here's

596
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: somebody who has psychotic tendencies. We know he was somewhat

597
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: aware of his psychotic tendencies, given he's done so much

598
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: research about psychotic tendencies. He seemed to be slightly obsessed

599
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: with that. He also seemed to be slightly obsessed with

600
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: law enforcement in his earlier days. Now here he goes

601
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: to studying criminology. Is it possible that there was just

602
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: this like itch to be around violence or to better

603
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: understand violence, and rather than committing it, he would study it. Yeah. Yeah,

604
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: I think just thinking about it, I think.

605
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 4: It's likely a confluence of all of those things, you know,

606
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 4: because this was, like you mentioned Ruth. Was he a

607
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 4: big of a planner because that would have been years

608
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Speaker 4: And also one thing, Stephanie, when you were mentioning and

609
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Speaker 4: you know, scratching an itch quote Scott Bond, who I

610
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 4: bring up a large amount on the show, a criminologist

611
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 4: We interviewed. He is wonderful and knowledgeable and fabulous and

612
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 4: we should have him on the show. But he mentioned

613
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 4: that also that scratching of it itch is very real

614
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 4: and it's also part of why many serial killers kind

615
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 4: of revere one another and look back and study because

616
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 4: it's it's like a titillating thing, or it's sort of.

617
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Speaker 2: Like, oh, wow, I'm not that alone in the world

618
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: because there's another psychopath who's doing really dastardly things. I

619
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Speaker 2: must not be that crazy.

620
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 5: Right, And it's not like you're confiding in your your

621
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 5: closest friends, like, hey, I'm a serial killer. So the

622
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 5: only thing, the closest thing you have are other serial killers, right,

623
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Speaker 5: And they don't talk to one another. This is all

624
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 5: very personal and you know inward so yeah, they relate.

625
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 5: But you know, in looking at the photos of Brian

626
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 5: Coberger's apartment, and again we are going to cover this

627
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 5: more in depth, but I.

628
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: Will tell you a lot of the books.

629
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 5: That are in his apartment are related to justice, which

630
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 5: is interesting and you know, being prosecuted when you're innocent,

631
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 5: things like that. Almost like I don't know, I just

632
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 5: feel like there's a lot here or a lot in

633
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 5: those photos that we have to like unpack and talk about.

634
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: We talk about those for seventeen years. Honestly, seriously, they

635
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: were more fascinating. I wish I hadn't seen some of

636
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: the photos to bodycam footage that came out about them,

637
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: but his hours after I ate.

638
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 5: It up Stephanie Katie Studios could do a podcast called

639
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 5: Brian Coberger's Apartment and I could talk about it for

640
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 5: seventy years.

641
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: Just a week ago. Yeah, listen, it is going to

642
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: be never ending. It's called The Idaho Massacre Season three

643
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: out now, but it is bananas. Honestly, It's there is

644
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: something very eerie because it actually says a lot in

645
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 2: its simplicity how he lived his days. He also clearly

646
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: had no human interaction or connection Like this was like

647
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: there's no chochke.

648
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 5: It just didn't feel like there was a feeling period presented.

649
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Speaker 2: He's very presented.

650
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 8: Right.

651
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 2: The towels on.

652
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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, anyone with an earshot body has

653
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 4: showed me every angle possible of this pile.

654
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: Of white towels on white towels about him. How's about?

655
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: But it is something we should we should go through

656
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: the and so we're not like being too teazy. It

657
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: was a very simple photograph of like, you know, a

658
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: stack of towels, but they were folded in such a

659
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: weird on a stool in front of an empty way. Yeah,

660
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: it was like everything's kind of empty, and then the

661
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: cupboards are it's so weird, like here, are my towels?

662
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: Take them. It's very This is what a normal person does.

663
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: They have towels on a stool, is you know, and

664
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: there's no other d n I on these towels. Like

665
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: he's the guy with a toothbrush like scrubbing the bathroom floor.

666
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: And the bottom of his this okay, this photo did

667
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 4: get me super intrigued.

668
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: The bottom of his vacuum is nothing I have ever seen.

669
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: It is like it was clicked clean by a dog, has.

670
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 5: Stuff in it.

671
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: I know, we were talking about this is such a weird. Okay,

672
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: we will go too far the rabbit hole, but welcome

673
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: to it. It did seem like the vacuum was not used,

674
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: meaning it didn't look like it had anything stuck to

675
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: the vacuum at the bottom like it always does nothing. Yeah,

676
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 2: but the canister clearly was stuffed.

677
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 5: And Stephanie, the vacuum lines in the carpet, yeah he was,

678
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 5: I mean, is clearly vacuuming all the time. But the

679
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 5: vacuum little you know, when you flip the vacuum over

680
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 5: and you've got the like little spinny wheel with the brushes, Yeah, spotless.

681
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: And all the hair and dust if your house, well,

682
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: here was my theory, okay, so and we'll put a

683
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: pin in this, I promise. But my theory on that was,

684
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: this guy is just up at night, walking in circles

685
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: vacuuming because he got complaints about that. Remember, his neighbors

686
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: were like, this guy's forever vacuuming at two am. So

687
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: he actually never had anybody over because he didn't have

688
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: any friends. He never probably had his shoes on in

689
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: his house, so there was no dirt or dust or pollen,

690
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: god knows. He didn't have an animal, thank god. Instead

691
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: he was just vacuuming. So if you're just going over

692
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: a clean carpet again and again and again and again,

693
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: it doesn't really probably muck up your vacuum so badly,

694
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: but the carpet remnants would fill up your candist. And

695
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: that's what it looks like.

696
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 5: It looks like carpet remnants in the because it's active.

697
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: This is investigative reporting in front of my It is

698
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: like Tuesday Roulette. Listen on the.

699
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 4: Spot, give us a call eight at eight three one crime,

700
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,479
Speaker 4: What is doing in your vacuum? And we actually have

701
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 4: another d M And I think, body, oh this one

702
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: do I have one?

703
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 8: It?

704
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 2: Well, it's to all of us.

705
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, it's it's it's from Michelle. It's regarding Brian Coberger.

706
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 4: What is your collective opinion on the authority? Saying he

707
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 4: isn't Papa Rogers seems my favorite list to me.

708
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: Oh, this one, this body, you gotta go. This was

709
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: when this was happening though real time. I just want

710
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: you to know, welcome to the inside world. When Idaho

711
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: was like on the tip of everybody's tongue, it was

712
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: on the news, we were all sick over it. And

713
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 2: then Joseph was really need deep in this to everybody

714
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: was talking about this Facebook guy, right, he had an

715
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: account Papa Rogers. And I want to say, Boddy, you

716
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: were like first to this. You were like the first

717
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 2: person I spoke to about this. I should say, see yeah,

718
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: And I feel like it was very insider and exciting

719
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: at the time because and I let you take it

720
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: from here.

721
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, he wasn't Papa Rogers. So and I literally never

722
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 5: thought it was so Papa Rogers was an account on

723
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 5: Facebook that had seemed to have inside knowledge into the

724
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 5: crime scene. And he very much reminded me of somebody

725
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 5: that I know very well named John Green. And you

726
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 5: know when we were investigating Luca John was asking questions

727
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 5: about the scene and whatnot.

728
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: Very similar to Papa Rogers. Papa Rogers was.

729
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 5: A female in like Indiana, and they had made Facebook

730
00:38:54,600 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 5: posts about some like community college and like Carmel, Indiana

731
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 5: a while ago and uh saying like when are you

732
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 5: going to release the funding? And you know whatnot why

733
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 5: would Brian Coberger be talking about some scandal at some

734
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 5: little community college. Well, anyway, I'm going to go off

735
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 5: on a tangent the pick the profile picture of Papa

736
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 5: Rogers did look like Brian Coberger. There's no question about it,

737
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 5: no question about it. But I have well it's kind

738
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 5: of like an AI photo that was created by this

739
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 5: other this lady, but it's completely unrelated. But the big

740
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 5: thing people thought was how did how did Papa Rogers

741
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 5: know there was a sheath left behind? That was the

742
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 5: big ticket item, and Harry Rogers was reporting on this

743
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 5: on Facebook essentially in a Facebook group.

744
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 4: Hold on, can I guess yeah, this is a guest

745
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 4: to Okay, my guess is they inferred that because they

746
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 4: were saying that the victims were stabbed with some kind

747
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 4: of a knife, but also that they did not have

748
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: the weapon, correct, how would they know he armstrong?

749
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: Well, the only way they know you're late for me,

750
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: So this is, Papa.

751
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 5: The only way they know it's a fixed bladed weapon

752
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 5: in the police report, like the press release and whatnot,

753
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 5: is if they have a sheath. It's like, okay, imagine

754
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 5: somebody gets shot, right, imagine somebody shot and they come

755
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 5: upon the body. Then they do a press release, right,

756
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 5: you know, like a day later and they're like the

757
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 5: weapon us was a nine millimeter? Well, how do they

758
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 5: know that? They know that because the shell casings left behind.

759
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 5: So when they come out and they say, blah blah

760
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 5: blah a weapon, you know, something is left behind to

761
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 5: tell them that before an autopsy is done. And the

762
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 5: only thing that can it could be with the fixed

763
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 5: blade weapon is a sheath when they don't.

764
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 2: Have the weapon.

765
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 5: Is this Rogers, it's rudimentary crimes, say knowledge like it's

766
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 5: and that's why when all this was happening, I'm like,

767
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 5: it's not, Papa, Rogers, Like, what are you talking about?

768
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 5: Joseph Scott Morgan and I talked about the sheath prior

769
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 5: to Brian Coberger being arrested on my podcast about something else. Yeah, anyway,

770
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 5: I remember that, Like, I'm not Frian Coberger.

771
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: Heard. I'm just saying he talked about that.

772
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 5: She's like, you know what I mean, Like, it's not

773
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 5: a thing anyway, but it is interesting. It is the

774
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 5: profile picture though, is interesting because it does look just

775
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 5: like him, but it's like an AI creative photo, but

776
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 5: it is eerily similar.

777
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, it is not him. Interesting. She's a

778
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: girl who lives in Indiana.

779
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 4: I did not know that it is fact. Okay, yeah,

780
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 4: well bring another talkback.

781
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 12: I just heard on another YouTube video over the weekend

782
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 12: that someone had inferred that one of Brian Coberger's sisters

783
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 12: and his ex college professor might be collaborating on a book.

784
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 12: Oh that's Katherine Ramslin.

785
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: Thanks La. That has been rumored. I've heard that as

786
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: well as a rumor unsubstantiated, but yeah, there have been

787
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: rumblings about that. We do know Catherine Ramslyn had a

788
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: relationship with a Coburger family, and that she had been

789
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: communicating with the family, you know, well after his arrest,

790
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: I believe, and leading up to frankly leading up to

791
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 2: him pleaing right, so that would track, it would seem

792
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: his you know, best delight is probably the idea of

793
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: having Catherine Ramslin, the woman he looked up to as

794
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: this you know, great mind in criminology, be able to

795
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: analyze him. We don't know which one of the sisters

796
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: that's been speculated about. We know one of them is

797
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: a you know, a really reputable therapist who lost her

798
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: job because of her association just to her brother. So

799
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: you know that might you know, track and be interesting.

800
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: You know, I think the sisters are you know, have

801
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: also been through it. So great question. We don't have

802
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 2: the We actually don't have the answer because that has

803
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: not been substantiated yet. I would buy it. Let me

804
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: tell you I'm not. I'm not shame to admit I would.

805
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: Literally I would buy it.

806
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 5: I would probably buy it in hardcover and audiobook, like

807
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 5: just so I had like all my basis covered and

808
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 5: I would listen to it immediately.

809
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not being so.

810
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 5: For ial, like I like, judge me all you want

811
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 5: I want to know.

812
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: I want to.

813
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,959
Speaker 5: Know about like the childhood. I want to know about

814
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 5: the teenage years. I want to know about you know,

815
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 5: was Brian Coburger really breaking into his friend's homes and

816
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 5: stealing like the mom's iPad and you know, things like

817
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 5: that because it goes to his history, and you know,

818
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 5: we know that there was the ideas that he was

819
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 5: stealing from the women that he stole, it was interested in,

820
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 5: brought up robbery and like sexual burglary, and you know,

821
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 5: blah blah, all these things.

822
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: I want to know. I do. I'm not ashamed of

823
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: doing that. I can't help, but I want to know.

824
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 4: That would be very, very surprising to me, given how

825
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 4: really silent Coburger's family, particularly sisters, have been, that.

826
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 5: It would be surprising to me too. Honestly, it would be.

827
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 5: But again, I would buy it.

828
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: You would not be alone. I would not be alone,

829
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: Coburger man. There's lots of talkbacks on this one. Can

830
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: I like to switch gears for one second? Just about

831
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: another thing that's been weighing on me? Is it real

832
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: or not real? TMZ has reported that Pamela Anderson and

833
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: Liam Neeson we're a fake relationship. Is that possible? What

834
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: don't break my heart? Heavy on my heart? So it's

835
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: like a PR stunt. That's what TMZ has reported. And

836
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if any of our listeners could jump in

837
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: and join the convo, if they have an opinion or

838
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: feedback on this. That's the most rattled.

839
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 13: I'm upset about that. To Stephanie Show.

840
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: Unrattled that way, I would have fallen for it so deeply.

841
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: They thought they were either I'm kind of.

842
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 14: They have to be, they are, They totally are.

843
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: Oh, Sam, well, I'm Sam. Is that fact or is

844
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: that your opinion?

845
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 14: It's my heavily informed opinion because they're so private and

846
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 14: they've been denying it even though for the last year.

847
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 14: Or Liam Neesen's like, oh, I'm in love with Pamela Anderson.

848
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: Cute. They love each other so much. I will be

849
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: so upset if that is fake. It can't be. Not

850
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: my Pamela Anderson looks so in love with him, and

851
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: vice versa and vice versa. They're America's sweethearts. Again. We'll

852
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it and we be reporting back.

853
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: I promise breaking news or at least breaking in my

854
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: head and my heart. This is true crime tonight. We're

855
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. Stay with us. By

856
00:45:53,600 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: the way, we're being featured as Apple Podcasts Time Show

857
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 2: of the Month. Yeah, that's crazy.

858
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 5: I'm this just in so how congratulations, So yay everybody

859
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 5: and for honor.

860
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: I feel like this is an audience generated show, so

861
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 2: anybody listening you are a part of this. So high

862
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 2: fives to all of us. Group hug to the True

863
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: Crime Tonight community. That yeah, Courtney's been like very vigilant

864
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: during the break as I was dancing. You did have

865
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: your hand up though. Still, but she's trying to get

866
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: to the bottom of this, of this Liam Niesen and

867
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: Pam Anderson crime. If in fact this was a fraud,

868
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: We're just all going to agree that it's impossible. So

869
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: I have to it's impossible. It's impossible. It seems so different,

870
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: it's crazy. Why bout it? You disagree?

871
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 5: No, it's just like Courtney's like digging in and I'm like,

872
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 5: I don't even care.

873
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: We're just all so different, you know. I just I was, yeah, like,

874
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: oh my god, I gotta figure this out, you know, like,

875
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: and I don't know, it's just funny. I'm just like, what, okay, whatever,

876
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: Well I did that. I will say I love how

877
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: they present at the bare minimum, whether it was fact

878
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: or fiction or true love or just a pr stunt,

879
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: a hook line and sinker. Yeah, I'm going true love.

880
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 4: It was too sweet for words, and I'm going to

881
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 4: believe in love for both of them.

882
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: Yep here here, Okay, I'm agreeing with you. And again

883
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: it's talk back Tuesday. We're going a little Roulette style.

884
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: So let's go to the next one.

885
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 11: Girls, I'm watching this Netflix documentary Unknown Number.

886
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 5: Okay, stop and hold it, stop the talk back. We

887
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 5: can't have any spoilers. Wait spoiler wait and we were

888
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 5: are all these talking?

889
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: I remember if there are spoilers, this is.

890
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: Or we stop and you.

891
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: Just stop it. We have to stop it. Wait, we

892
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: were us talk it. This is why our community we

893
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: are in each other's heads, mind meling, just talking about this.

894
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: So Unknown Number is the documentary that's being referenced right there.

895
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: It's on Netflix. It's supposed to be off. The chasing's

896
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: so good. I'm going to watch it tonight, even though

897
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: I know I shouldn't and I should go straight to

898
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: bed because the day tomorrow is very long. But you

899
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: know what, I've been hearing the greatest stuff. Maybe we

900
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: should do that for the next after tomorrow. Yes, because

901
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: tomorrow obviously we're doing our our true crime and chill,

902
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: don't f with Cat's edition. But then we'll have to

903
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: have our next assignment.

904
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 15: This is a tough one.

905
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 13: And I'm into it, and I think it should be

906
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 13: our next true crime till because it is really really good,

907
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 13: So I will see it at that.

908
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 4: Give a shout out to my girlfriend from high school, Diana,

909
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 4: who actually Diana, Uh, listen to quite a bit of

910
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 4: a piked in massacre, but she was losing her brains

911
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 4: on Facebook about this documentary and that's yeah, so everyone.

912
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: Is I have been listen.

913
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 5: I watched it this weekend, Indian and I watched it,

914
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 5: and I have been dying to talk to you guys

915
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 5: about it, but I can't because Stephanie and Taha, you

916
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 5: guys haven't finished it.

917
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: Okay. I don't know why I didn't get the note

918
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: this weekend because I just watched like my Bravo rerun somehow.

919
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: I watched Next Jen NYC and it's entirety the entire

920
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 2: season started.

921
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 15: I feel like starting documentaries and I started.

922
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 2: Suddenly I'm watching my Bravo again. What is wrong with me?

923
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: I've watched things on repeat. I watched The Valley Reunion twice.

924
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: What does that say about me? It says so much

925
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 2: like predicted. It means you like predicted that predicted.

926
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 5: That's why the way my brain calms down, That's why

927
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 5: Courtney and I watched The West Wing so many times

928
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 5: because we know what's going to happen.

929
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: It's predictable. It's comforting. That's why you do it. That's

930
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: so unpredictable.

931
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 13: Speaking of docs, body, do you want to remind everyone

932
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 13: what's going to be happening tomorrow?

933
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 2: Do I want to remind everybody?

934
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: Yeah?

935
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 5: Yes, because you know, my favorite subject is talking about

936
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 5: myself taha. And I'm saying that with a big, huge

937
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 5: I roll because you know how much I hate it.

938
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

939
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 5: So tomorrow's True Crime and Chill Isn't Don't Have with Cats,

940
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 5: and so we're going to be doing a deep dive

941
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 5: into that and talking about the documentary, and then I'm

942
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 5: going to give you guys some you know, behind the

943
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 5: scenes stuff, maybe even what it's like to be in

944
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 5: a documentary, and then like things that they left out

945
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 5: that are exclusive but you know only John Green and

946
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 5: I know. So yeah, tune in tomorrow for that.

947
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 2: That's actually going to be so exciting.

948
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 4: When you mentioned what it's like to be in one,

949
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 4: because we you know, to be switched, like there's two

950
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 4: chairs involved, right, right, right, We.

951
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: Asked the questions typically, Yeah, it's very different on the

952
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,479
Speaker 2: other side, it is your I'm sure.

953
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 5: Well I've never been on the other side of the camera,

954
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 5: you know, so I yeah, I don't know what it's

955
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 5: like on your end, but I can tell you what

956
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 5: it's like on mine, and it is not fun.

957
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: It is a lot of work. We I'll save it

958
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: for tomorrow. Yeah, okay, fair enough.

959
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 4: Ps, we got a clear we got a spoiler clear alert.

960
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: So oh, let's play that.

961
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 4: I'm in Sam, thank you. So yeah, let's let's finish

962
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 4: up that talk back.

963
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 11: Girls. I'm watching this Netflix documentary called Unknown Number The

964
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 11: High School Catfish. You may have heard about it, but

965
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 11: it's pretty crazy. I'm only like twenty minutes in, but wild,

966
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 11: so it's funny.

967
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: To pass it along. I love it all and all

968
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: of you.

969
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 11: But Stephanie, you make me laugh so much, so I

970
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 11: just wanted to tell you that.

971
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 2: Fine, it makes us all laugh, they all. That's how

972
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: I experienced love is through heck to laugh with. I

973
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: was raised by boys, right, that's how we like share.

974
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: Love is through a good heckle. I like being the

975
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: brunch of a joke. God knows, uh at least that's

976
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: the story I'm telling myself because I'm the brunt of

977
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: a lot of them.

978
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 5: I can't believe she only watched twenty minutes and called us, girl,

979
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 5: I need you to call us back and let it no, wait,

980
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 5: save it for, save.

981
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 2: It for at least we're just going to wait a week. Now,

982
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: we have a whole week well.

983
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 5: To call us yeah, because I don't want to spoil it,

984
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 5: like I want to know her reaction though, because I'm

985
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 5: sure she's finished it by now. But oh my, I

986
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 5: literally I have been I have. I have watched the

987
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 5: most demented things on the planet. Okay me body, I've

988
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 5: watched terrible things, and this documentary I was like this

989
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 5: whole time, my jaw like I just my hands were

990
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 5: over my mouth.

991
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 2: I was like, what, Yeah, are you kidding me? Like,

992
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: I cannot believe it. You have got to watch it.

993
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: It's incredible. Okay, So that's a pretty first of all,

994
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: why didn't we get this review of Son of Sam.

995
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 2: Here's the thing? Sometimes, you know, sometimes sometimes it's a flop,

996
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 2: can be a slow gear, right, Like you know documentaries,

997
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 2: sometimes you know you're following, you're following it, and it's

998
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 2: like sometimes a little it could be a little slow,

999
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 2: whereas it sounds like this one's action packed. I can't wait.

1000
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 5: I edd to my seat the whole time, and the

1001
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 5: bones it's only now in half.

1002
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 2: An hour and a half.

1003
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll be so curious, because I would I will

1004
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 4: not say anything aside from the fact that I am

1005
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 4: aware of the case and I'm quite familiar with the case.

1006
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 4: So I'll be curious what my uh reaction will be

1007
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 4: having that knowledge versus not.

1008
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 5: I think you're going to be very surprised at the reaction. Okay,

1009
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 5: people in the documentary. I think you will.

1010
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, because I mean, I'm all in because this

1011
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: case is bananas. How do I not know this case? Courtney,

1012
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 2: I'm strong. You don't think I know it. I don't

1013
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 2: think you do. I don't think you do either.

1014
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 4: Otherwise, otherwise we would have produced something about.

1015
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 2: We'd be on season three, the one that got away.

1016
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: Curses Netflix, you did it without us. Let's go to

1017
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 2: another talk back.

1018
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 16: Good morning ladies, highly again from Australia. Sorry for all

1019
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 16: the voice messages. I just want to say how much

1020
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 16: it'd be great if you could do one on the mushroom.

1021
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 16: Lady in Victoria. It was so well done on body

1022
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 16: bags and I think listeners would be really interesting to

1023
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 16: hear about it once again. Think you get love you guys.

1024
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 2: We love you number one. Aren't we doing that? Did we?

1025
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 3: Am?

1026
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: I having a brain freeze here? We are doing we

1027
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 2: are doing that.

1028
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1029
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 13: Next Sunday with Joseph. So once again everyone's reading our

1030
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 13: minds or held the.

1031
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: Books like he has. Somehow Joseph is cooking the talk

1032
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: to Talk in direct line to Australia. Good day. It's awesome.

1033
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: By the way. He was so good because he's been

1034
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 2: covering the burning Man murder. There was this terrible we'll

1035
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: talk about this tomorrow forever talking about it tomorrow, I guess.

1036
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 2: But there was this tragedy at this event in burning

1037
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 2: Man this weekend. Burning Man is this art festival that's

1038
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: in the desert here in California. It's a thing if

1039
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 2: you if you know, you know, I have not been,

1040
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 2: basically because my worst nightmare is exactly what happened. It's

1041
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: like seventy thousand artists, many of whom more like you know,

1042
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: eating psychedelics and like dressing up, and there's fires and

1043
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: flames and then there's a murder. Some guy goes dead

1044
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: and now there's like no crime scene and you can't

1045
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 2: get out of the desert because it's seventy thousand people

1046
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: and it's like messy and wet and muddy and it's

1047
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: a real mess. We're going to talk about that tomorrow also,

1048
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 2: But Joseph's been covering that in many places throughout the day,

1049
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: Fox News, et cetera. So I think he was on CNN.

1050
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, lots of coverage happening there. So shout out

1051
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: to Joseph Scott Morgan, our favorite forensics expert. We will

1052
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 2: absolutely be doing the mushroom case.

1053
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1054
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: I feel like we've been talking about this one for

1055
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 2: a little while. Why this is this a fever dream?

1056
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 4: No, we have.

1057
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 2: We've talked about it, but not like in depth.

1058
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 5: We've kind of done like, here's an update and here

1059
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 5: you know, she's convicted and the husband is is okay

1060
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 5: now and those kinds of things, but we haven't done

1061
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 5: like a deep dive into it.

1062
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 2: I feel like we've also talked about it a lot

1063
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 2: behind the scenes in preparation for Joseph to come true.

1064
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 2: So maybe that's the fever dream. But Haley, we love

1065
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 2: that tip. We are.

1066
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 4: It is in the process of being worked on right now,

1067
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 4: and if you have any cases you want to bring

1068
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 4: to our attention, give us a call. We're at eighty

1069
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 4: eight three one Crime. I'm Courtney Armstrong. I am so

1070
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 4: lucky to be here as always with body move in

1071
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 4: and Stephanie Leidecker and it is talked back Tuesday, we

1072
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 4: were doing an array of topics, all brought to us

1073
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 4: by you, and let's go to the next one.

1074
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Speaker 18: Hey, True Crime. I listen to you at work every day,

1075
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 18: so I just wanted to call in and talk about

1076
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 18: Sarah Grace Patrick and I do have a hard time

1077
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 18: when children murder their parents. There's something obviously deeper there, probably,

1078
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 18: I mean.

1079
00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: Right, there has to be something.

1080
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't I'm not certainly not going to

1081
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Speaker 5: blame or you know, victim, blame anybody here, but there

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Speaker 5: has to be something there. Whether it's a misunderstanding from

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00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 5: her perspective or their perspective, I don't know. There's something

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Speaker 5: there has to be. You just don't kill your parents

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Speaker 5: for no reason.

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Speaker 2: Or something is happening in her life, yes, whether even

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00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: if it was unrelated maybe to her mother and her stepfather,

1088
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 2: something big that happened to her, something traumatic, something, something something,

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Speaker 2: and it has caused this level of rage. I mean

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Speaker 2: the idea, which is kind of how it's being portrayed,

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Speaker 2: which by the way, is not so dissimilar to how

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Speaker 2: the Menandez brothers were portrayed back in the eighties. You know,

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00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: she's getting kind of painted with a brush of you know,

1094
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: she's you know, hungry for attention. She's on social media

1095
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 2: like she was, you know, craving social attention and reaching

1096
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 2: out to crime shows. By the way, all those things

1097
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: actually did happen too, and there is accuracy to that.

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00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: But I wonder possible that someone could be that vapid

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00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: and murder your parents. I'm inclined to assume this is

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00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: just an assumption that there must be a real deep

1101
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: hole there that needs to get addressed. Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: And as a reminder, Sarah Grace Patrick, who's been pretty

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00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 4: top of our head, she's a seventeen year old. She

1104
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 4: has been charged with the murders of both her mother

1105
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 4: and her stepfather. This happened in Georgia, and very sadly,

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Speaker 4: the bodies were found by Sarah Grace Patrick's six year

1107
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 4: old sister. And so if indeed she did do what

1108
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 4: she is charged with, and she set her sister up

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00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 4: to find them in bed. And yeah, well she remains

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Speaker 4: in jail. She's awaiting arraignment, and that'll be happening this

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Speaker 4: month actually, September twenty second, and we'll see she would

1112
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Speaker 4: potentially be face sing life sentences without the possibility of parole.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you know, we did a thing, Courtney and I

1114
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: were down a rabbit hole for a long time, A

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01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: really sad rabbit hole. I might add about children being

1116
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Speaker 2: convicted for life without parole who are under the age

1117
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Speaker 2: of eighteen. And boy, that was complicated stuff, because you know,

1118
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: your brain's not developed. What's the exacerbating event that actually

1119
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 2: would make something like murder seem even on the menu?

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Speaker 2: You know, for a rational person that's not dealing with

1121
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: excessive mental illness, it's typically not on the menu. Right,

1122
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: So that is Yeah, it's a touchy one. Yeah, I

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01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 2: definitely be following as closely.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and who are you on your worst day? And

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Speaker 4: should that define the rest of your life when you're

1126
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 4: under an age? A lot of countries feel differently than

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01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 4: we do. It's a polarizing topic.

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Speaker 2: Courtney is giving the hands up in the air you

1129
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: don't care. Good dance break everybody. So listen. Talkback Tuesday

1130
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Speaker 2: continues and apparently there's a wide variety of some talkbacks,

1131
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: so we're going to jam through them. If you want

1132
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Speaker 2: to call us live, please do eight eight eight three

1133
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 2: one crime or you can just keep the talkbacks coming. Okay,

1134
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Speaker 2: Sam and Adam give us our next one.

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Speaker 17: Hey, y'all from Bama. So the discussion that y'all were having.

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Speaker 19: About roadblocks and what did we do as parents or

1137
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 19: grandparents to prevent these things from happening to our kids

1138
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 19: have a primary nine one one first responder. I was

1139
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 19: just very open with.

1140
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Speaker 17: My kids and I talk to them about all these things.

1141
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Speaker 17: So if I had a call that pertained to a child,

1142
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 17: we're a teenager, I would go home and I would

1143
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 17: talk to them about it. Whether it was an overdose

1144
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 17: of teen from a teenager or a suicide attempt, I

1145
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 17: would go home. I would talk to them about it.

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01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 17: I would let them know, like, this is the world

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01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 17: that we live in, and I don't want them to

1148
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Speaker 17: be scared.

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Speaker 6: Of the world.

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Speaker 17: And that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm just

1151
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 17: trying to make them aware so that they know that

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Speaker 17: they know what to look out for. And I think

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Speaker 17: that as parents, the best thing that we can do

1154
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 17: is to make them aware so that way that they

1155
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 17: can help protect themselves when we are not there to

1156
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Speaker 17: protect them.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, It's so true, what a

1158
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: good public service announcement, because I think sometimes that's the debate, right,

1159
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 2: you don't want to overload young adults with scary information.

1160
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: You know, certainly we are in beehive a bit and

1161
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 2: here scary things all the time. Do you do you

1162
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 2: share that with young brains or you know, you're like,

1163
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 2: oh no, no, I want them to stay kids, and

1164
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: I don't want them to even know how scary the

1165
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: world is. That's one side of it. Or you talk

1166
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: about it, which I think is so smart, and it

1167
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 2: just prepares you know, it doesn't make you scared. You

1168
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 2: don't have to be afraid if you're prepared. It's, by

1169
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Speaker 2: the way, exactly what we're doing even here. Every night

1170
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 2: we're talking about very scary, dark things. Not because any

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Speaker 2: one of us collectively as a community or like into

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Speaker 2: really scary things. It's really just you know, all right, well,

1173
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 2: if we're not talking about it, a body is shaking

1174
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 2: your head right now. I guess there's an exception. There's

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01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: an exception scary things. Party of one top right here,

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Speaker 2: Party one. But I think I feel personally safer in

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Speaker 2: the world and more prepared in the world because we

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Speaker 2: talk about this stuff and you're not like living under

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Speaker 2: a rock, you know. So Yeah, especially as I get

1180
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 2: kids going back to school post Labor Day. You know

1181
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 2: what's that line, I think that's really good advice. I

1182
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: think it's good advice too. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And also when we had our therapist on Jessica jess

1184
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 4: knows best, jess knows best, she had given great advice

1185
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 4: about speaking to children and like pick any topic, any

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01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 4: hard topic, and just really meeting them where they are

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01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 4: in terms of you know, as Stephanie said, you don't

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01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 4: want to kind of poison the well. But if you

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01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 4: start giving them information, kids will tend to peter out

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Speaker 4: and let you know, when they're done, they won't ask

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01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 4: that follow up question, and then when they're interested then

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01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 4: they will. But yeah, Stephanie from Alabama, that was really

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01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 4: well said and so important.

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Speaker 5: Yes, thank you for the talk about This is true

1195
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 5: crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 5: We're right in the middle of talk back Roulette. Let's

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Speaker 5: keep it moving, Adam and Sam, what do we got?

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Speaker 16: Good morning ladies, it's Highly from Australia. Sorry about my

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Speaker 16: cranky voice. I just want to say how much I

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Speaker 16: love listening to you guys. I want to bring up

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Speaker 16: Gillai Maxwell again, how much this really hurts the movement

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01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 16: of child abuse in America, like the gymnasts, what they

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Speaker 16: went through, and as survivor of abuse from a coach,

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01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 16: this really brings back everything once again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing everything I know again, and we're

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01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 2: so sorry for your personal experience there. And I guess

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Speaker 2: that's so triggering for so many. And I guess this

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Speaker 2: also sheds a light. And you bring up the NASA

1209
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 2: case right with a gymnastics coach on the Olympics team

1210
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 2: that was sexually abusing you know so many. Uh Maybus

1211
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 2: are a straight up doctor. It was a total takedown

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Speaker 2: by an extraordinary group of young women and this guy

1213
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Speaker 2: had been getting away with it for a really long time.

1214
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 2: So again, I guess it goes back to the same

1215
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 2: conversation we were just having in terms of getting a

1216
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 2: little loud about some of this stuff and people sharing

1217
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Speaker 2: their stories. A takes the power out of the scariness

1218
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 2: of your story. Number one, because you are not alone,

1219
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 2: despite how you know, every one of us has felt

1220
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 2: back in a corner and alone at some point, and

1221
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 2: you're not. And also, if you don't talk about it too,

1222
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 2: you don't you're afraid to. The shame is so real,

1223
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 2: and I think that's what's the Skilane Maxwell mess is.

1224
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 2: I think it's triggering a lot of people on all sides,

1225
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 2: and not just women, not just victims, or a lot

1226
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Speaker 2: of men too. We're getting a lot of feedback from

1227
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 2: men that are they're not having it and not feeling

1228
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 2: like this is appropriate, whether you're are a Republican or

1229
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Speaker 2: a Democrat. And again, I'm going to say it again,

1230
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 2: I think it's one of the most profound cases of

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01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 2: our general and I think it is I think it's

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Speaker 2: going to continue to continue.

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Speaker 4: So we actually have a little update on Gillian Maxwell

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01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 4: that we didn't talk about yet. M hm and body,

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Speaker 4: this kind of goes to how much we want to

1236
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 4: believe it.

1237
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Speaker 2: We'll decide.

1238
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Speaker 4: But you have correctly asked how did he make all

1239
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 4: this money? And it's the big nebulous investing. Even though

1240
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Speaker 4: you like anyway, what Gillian Maxwell claims is that Jeffrey

1241
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 4: Ebstein built his mysterious fortune and that was by cracking

1242
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 4: wealth for billionaires.

1243
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 2: So that's what she said.

1244
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 4: And she said that this six hundred million dollar fortune

1245
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 4: even though he didn't have a very.

1246
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: Clear career history.

1247
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 4: She again he says that he was hunting down the

1248
01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 4: stolen money but not doing conventional investing. And she also

1249
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 4: claimed that Epstein either worked with or for African warlords

1250
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 4: during this time. What she saw a photo of them.

1251
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you.

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01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 15: Oh.

1253
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 2: Also in okay, body you look and sensed.

1254
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 4: She also said in the same interview that she has

1255
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Speaker 4: she's double down of any knowing about anything nefarious, any

1256
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:30,799
Speaker 4: recruitment of underage girls.

1257
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 2: No, going so far as to claim that that photo

1258
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 2: that we have all seen with our two eyeballs of

1259
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: Prince Andrew and Virginia Guffrey is fake. But why would

1260
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 2: she not say that? There's no reason for her to

1261
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 2: claim any wrongdoing At this point, the person that she's

1262
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 2: the co conspirator for is dead, whether he committed suicide

1263
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 2: or was murdered. Let's be real. So yeah, she wants out.

1264
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 2: She wants out, And back to the original caller from

1265
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 2: earlier in the night, who had made a really good

1266
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 2: point when he said there must be some goods. She

1267
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: must have some goods, because you don't put a sex

1268
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 2: trafficker into a low security prison with you know, financier

1269
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: tax evasion criminals when there's actually real danger that could

1270
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 2: come of her. She did very dangerous things. The victims

1271
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 2: are all very outspoken saying that they would like answers

1272
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 2: in transparency. Both sides of the Aisle Congress included saying

1273
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: that yeah, this has been a delayed, unnecessary process for victims.

1274
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 2: Transparency is transparent beyond words. We want to just have transparency.

1275
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 2: No one's pointing a finger, We're does asking for transparency.

1276
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 2: If there's nothing there, show us there period.

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Speaker 5: Good.

1278
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 4: I gotta say, I think this is a whole and

1279
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 4: this is based on nothing except for her lying past,

1280
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 4: Gillian Maxwell's lying past. But I feel like this is

1281
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 4: sort of the perfect look over there. So really it

1282
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 4: wasn't investing, so there's not anything to look for but

1283
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 4: his rich, powerful friends and my god, they were stolen

1284
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 4: from and so Jeffrey Epstein and the quest to do

1285
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Speaker 4: good was with African warlow lord.

1286
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Speaker 2: So it's such a dog. So his dog, the bounty

1287
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 2: hunter four billionaires. Basically, he's gonna hunt down their unclaimed

1288
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 2: funds and along the way, maybe sex traffic close to

1289
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Speaker 2: a thousand women. So I read this.

1290
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Speaker 5: Article in National Geographic magazine like five years ago, and

1291
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Speaker 5: it was all about how African warlords used the trafficking

1292
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 5: of ivory to fund terrorism and sex trafficking.

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01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 2: That's very true. No, no, that's a fact.

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Speaker 5: So when you said African warlords, I immediately went back

1295
01:10:55,680 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 5: to that article. That's a fact, remembered that it funds trafficking.

1296
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 5: So maybe there is something there.

1297
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 2: And let's just talk about trafficking for a second, because

1298
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a word that gets thrown out

1299
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 2: quite a bit. You know, we did a documentary called

1300
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 2: Murdered and Missing in Montana. You can catch it on Peacock.

1301
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 2: It really focuses on Native American young girls who have

1302
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 2: been basically gone missing from various reservations throughout the country,

1303
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 2: which is an epidemic, I might add, But you know,

1304
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 2: the takeaway from that is essentially, is it possible that

1305
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 2: this young girls, whether on a Native American reservation or

1306
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 2: on the streets of Detroit or on Super Bowl Sunday,

1307
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 2: the largest trafficking day of the year in the world.

1308
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 2: I might add in the world number one trafficking day.

1309
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,759
Speaker 2: So young girls are being pulled literally off the streets

1310
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 2: and then they are they have any of their personal

1311
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 2: identification taken, they have their hair changed, and they are

1312
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 2: legitimately shipped with scary people to a different place that

1313
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 2: they can not get home from because now they have

1314
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 2: no money and no access to a telephone, and they

1315
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 2: are forced to have sex with men and men and

1316
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,839
Speaker 2: men and men, and that continues, and they get passed

1317
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 2: along throughout the world and nobody can find them and

1318
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 2: there's no way to trace them because they're being, you know,

1319
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 2: trafficked by very high profile people. Courtney, you know, not

1320
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 2: to overstate, but you and I were pretty down a

1321
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 2: path thinking that we had made a connection to maybe

1322
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 2: the New Mexico resort or home that Epstein was kind

1323
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 2: of Epstein had this resort in New Mexico, a mansion,

1324
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 2: and it was sort of like his first location. This

1325
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: is before the Island. Yes, he had West Palm Beach

1326
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 2: as well. Yes, New York City on lockdown. This is

1327
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 2: a man of many faces and many lives. But New

1328
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 2: Mexico is a hotbed, and I felt like we were

1329
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 2: creating a We were so close to linking some dots

1330
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 2: to his new Mexico location for trafficking, and then we

1331
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 2: just couldn't get it over the finish line. And then

1332
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 2: I think we got spooked.

1333
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 5: Did you really, Oh yeah it was this was before

1334
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 5: we met. I would have helped you.

1335
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 2: No, no, it wasn't about to help. It was scary. Yeah, yeah, no,

1336
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 2: we can still listen. No, but it's still No, it's scary. Yeah,

1337
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 2: it's very high profile people and very scary things happened

1338
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 2: to me. And you know, imagine being a mom or

1339
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 2: a family member who just wants your daughter back and

1340
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 2: people are like, oh, she was trafficked, Like anyone has

1341
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,679
Speaker 2: any idea what that means. You know, they're just being

1342
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 2: sexed out and they can't get home. And as it

1343
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 2: means of survival, you have to just kind of allow

1344
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 2: yourself to which could be Amy Bradley, right, we don't know.

1345
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,919
Speaker 2: This is one of the many theories about Amy Bradley,

1346
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 2: who had gone missing from the cruise ship. So it's

1347
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 2: really scary. So I say this simply to say one

1348
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 2: other point. That's one side of it. Now, imagine what

1349
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 2: I just described is actually being coerced and run by

1350
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 2: the biggest global leaders of our time, that the decision

1351
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 2: makers in our world, that the people are who are

1352
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 2: adjusting what happens at our jobs, in our wallets, what

1353
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 2: our politics are, what we can and cannot stand for.

1354
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 2: If those people that we are voting for across the board,

1355
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 2: and I'm saying when we're buying technology, when we're logging

1356
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 2: onto you know, platforms, the people that are running the

1357
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 2: show on all of these things from a world perspective

1358
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 2: are also down to the bone with having young girls

1359
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 2: being trafficked, and like, with that context, it just is maddening.

1360
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 2: It can't be okay, No, I know, we all agree,

1361
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 2: I can't be okay, right everybody in They're right, Mia,

1362
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 2: everybody that so where we are.

1363
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 5: But I mean, you have everything, you have all this money,

1364
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 5: you have everything, you have power? Why children? Why why

1365
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 5: not like the beautiful bond or something exactly like you

1366
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 5: can have.

1367
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 2: Any body you want. What is with the twelve year old?

1368
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 2: I don't get it. That is bringing that? Yeah, So

1369
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 2: like that's really and now that's being accepted potentially by

1370
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 2: world leaders and maybe the you know, the inferences of course,

1371
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 2: we don't know this. This is the chatter that there's

1372
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 2: also videotape to support this. So people like Elaine Maxwell,

1373
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 2: who's been brought up on federal charges for being the

1374
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 2: groomer who was luring these young girls away from middle

1375
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 2: schools and high schools in New York City and in

1376
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 2: various West Palm Beach, we know that was fact that

1377
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 2: she gets to, you know, get her way, and the

1378
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 2: victims were not notified. It's kind of crazy making. So

1379
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of it. I certainly

1380
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 2: don't know the answer, other than I know it just

1381
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 2: feels yucky deep inside my heart. And I don't know.

1382
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 2: I think collectively we can all come up with an answer.

1383
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 2: I don't know. We want to hear it. Eighty to

1384
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 2: eighty three one crime. I know it's not an easy one.

1385
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 2: I certainly don't have a leg to stand on in

1386
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 2: this race. Other than I think it's it's clear why

1387
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 2: we all want answers.

1388
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 5: You know how we talk about like the kids stories,

1389
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 5: this is the one. This is my kid's story.

1390
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 2: Gives me the eck. Yeah, it just gives me the

1391
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 2: ick and I don't like it. And listen talk back

1392
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 2: Tuesday in full swing. So we're gonna make a change

1393
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 2: for next Tuesday. Just we're gonna kind of think about

1394
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 2: what are you know what we got from that DM

1395
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 2: which was like, listen, we might not do it, so

1396
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 2: Roulette light. Maybe we'll curate some of them into categories.

1397
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's try that. And again we want to

1398
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 2: hear more feedback. So if there's something that isn't working

1399
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 2: for you, paul Us, let us know. And anything that

1400
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 2: is or cases you want us to follow, keep us

1401
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 2: in the loop, keep those talkbacks coming. So which one

1402
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 2: should we go to next? Gentlemen?

1403
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 20: Hi, this is Holly from Kentucky in reference to the

1404
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 20: lady that asked if Marilyn Monroe's body had been moved.

1405
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 20: There was a Netflix documentary a while back that put

1406
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 20: forth a theory that she'd been put in an ambulance

1407
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 20: died on the way. Oh my god, and they returned

1408
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 20: and took her to the bungalow. I'm not sure if

1409
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 20: it's true, but I think her psychiatrist attested to it.

1410
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 2: That has been long rumored. So yeah again, and that is,

1411
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 2: you know again back to this Roulette thing. We'll verify this.

1412
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 2: But I saw the same thing and it was speculated.

1413
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 2: Two things were speculated. One that she was legit removed

1414
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 2: from the scene and taken in an ambulance and then

1415
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 2: brought back and she was placed playing in a certain

1416
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 2: way in the bed. There was a scene that was

1417
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 2: set and you know, it was set up to look

1418
01:17:55,400 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 2: as though she had odeed, or she had odeed and

1419
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 2: died in the ambulance and therefore they were like, I

1420
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 2: guess we'll just put her back and who knows or

1421
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 2: that there was never an ambulance involved, that she was

1422
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 2: in fact dead at the scene, but they kind of

1423
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 2: replaced her body under this like blanket. You know, she

1424
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 2: was naked when she was found and there was pills everywhere.

1425
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 2: You know, again, this is one of those cases or

1426
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 2: those crimes if it is a crime, which I feel

1427
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 2: like it is, or it had to have been, well

1428
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 2: just really never well really never know, right, It's like

1429
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 2: we just don't know. It's like Bigfoot. Was she killed

1430
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 2: or was she allowed or just left to die? That's

1431
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: also some level of culpability. If you know somebody is

1432
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 2: about to take their life or is on drugs or

1433
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 2: had eaten many drugs, and you know, do you save them?

1434
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 2: That's all kind of those are all the things that

1435
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,560
Speaker 2: kind of surround this case. Interesting.

1436
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have to check out that doc as well.

1437
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 4: So here's another DM. It's from Jennifer and she says, hello,

1438
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 4: my true crime ladies plus in quotes and capitalized the

1439
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 4: Joseph Scott Morgan.

1440
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 2: That's oh baby, I mean he's good. The love tonight,

1441
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan. This is like his fourth or so talk.

1442
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 2: I'm listen, I'm a little offended. Okay, what about us?

1443
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? What about Taha? It's like

1444
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 2: all you know what I mean? What about what about Sam?

1445
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 2: Little love for Sam?

1446
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:31,599
Speaker 15: A little brat.

1447
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 2: I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

1448
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 15: We all love Joseph that we can't help him, I know.

1449
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 4: So Jennifer goes on that he is the best friends investigator.

1450
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:41,560
Speaker 2: Sundays are my favorite.

1451
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm really hoping you could look into a case

1452
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 4: from my local area of Northeast Ohio.

1453
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:51,719
Speaker 2: It's happened in twenty thirteen. Eliza Sherman was murdered while

1454
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 2: outside of her divorce lawyer's office. Okay, I have wanted

1455
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 2: to do this case for a long time, Jennifer and

1456
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 2: I don't. Stephanie and body if you're that familiar. So again,

1457
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:03,719
Speaker 2: a woman.

1458
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 4: Murdered outside the divorce attorney's office. Okay, Then out of

1459
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 4: the blue, the news reported they had finally made an

1460
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 4: arrest and the police are claiming her own divorce lawyer

1461
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 4: either killed her or had her killed. Basically, he wasn't

1462
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 4: ready to take the case to trial. So that appears

1463
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 4: to be the rationale that this lawyer like didn't do

1464
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 4: his homework on time and decided murder is the answer.

1465
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 4: There has to be more to it than that. But

1466
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 4: I also want to cover this case, Jennifer, Yeah, I'm.

1467
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 15: I'm fascinated by this one. We're going to add that

1468
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 15: to the list.

1469
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 13: We've got some good ones, thanks to everyone calling out

1470
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 13: some topics we should cover, but let's do it.

1471
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 15: We're adding that for sure.

1472
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 2: We're doing our big like new season kind of And

1473
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,719
Speaker 2: by season, I mean you know it's literally it's false fault.

1474
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 2: That's the season of like, what are the things we

1475
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 2: want to be working on in terms of cases for

1476
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 2: this next season? So keep them cases coming out. There's

1477
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 2: a few in my head that I would like some

1478
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 2: answers on that we'll start digging in. I know we

1479
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 2: each have a little handful of cases that we're we're

1480
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 2: working on kind of behind the scenes to bring to you.

1481
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,560
Speaker 2: So anything happening in your backyard or god forbid, in

1482
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 2: your backyard, I don't mean that, but in your neighborhood

1483
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 2: or area, God forbid, I don't mean that either. You

1484
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:23,640
Speaker 2: know what I mean. If it's something that maybe we

1485
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 2: don't have insight into, yeah, keep it coming because we'll

1486
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 2: start digging.

1487
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 13: And also we're thinking around I was just gonna say quick,

1488
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 13: around Halloween. We're talking about a whole week of Halloween

1489
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 13: themed or something that ties in. Wouldn't that be good?

1490
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 13: So all kinds of cases that tie in with Halloween

1491
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 13: and is not Friday thirteen.

1492
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 2: Listen, I don't want to no scary clown cases. I'm

1493
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 2: not kidding. Yeah, everybody, well, I think we could. It's

1494
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 2: like Cilantro. Most people do not like it. A clown

1495
01:21:58,160 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 2: is not.

1496
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 5: For I mean, so for real, I will not I

1497
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 5: will not be here. I just can't handle it. I

1498
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 5: just I cannot.

1499
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 2: You hate penny Wise. I know, I can't even think.

1500
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,600
Speaker 2: I can't even think about penny wise.

1501
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 15: Story Halloween.

1502
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 13: I was the Halloween costume as a clown and surprise

1503
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,440
Speaker 13: you that that's a clowns.

1504
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 2: Don't tell body honking their noses.

1505
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 5: I don't have a hard time talking about Johnny and

1506
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 5: Gacy swear. I just he was a lot.

1507
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't know john Wayne Gacy, he's addressed

1508
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 2: up as a clown. He was a clown, was actual

1509
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 2: his job. But so let alone. Can you imagine you

1510
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 2: hire a clown in the clown who comes as a

1511
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 2: serial killer. Yes, I can't imagine that. Actually, So yeah,

1512
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 2: that's my start of the scariest movie ever. I'm not

1513
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 2: a huge fee I guess I shouldn't say this because

1514
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 2: I like sometimes a scary antique doll when the eyes

1515
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 2: like the eyes closed.

1516
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 5: Dolls, dolls, Oh yeah, that's mine, you lay it down.

1517
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sometimes kind of gives me the creeps. But whatever,

1518
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 2: I loved my dolls that did that, So I guess I'm.

1519
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 5: Kind of like being scared though. The dolls scare me

1520
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 5: a little, and that's the kind of scared. I like

1521
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 5: to be, like just a little scared, and I love it. So,

1522
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 5: I like, I'm so excited for Halloween.

1523
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 15: I'm saying Halloween will be fun. We'll come up with

1524
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 15: some fun one.

1525
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 2: So all right, cool, good, what do we got next?

1526
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 8: My ladies is Kim and Kentucky love the show. Although

1527
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 8: I do not agree with Brian Coberger's complaints, I would

1528
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 8: like to say there are many men and women in

1529
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 8: the prison system due to mental health issues, and those

1530
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 8: people should not be punished. They should be getting help

1531
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 8: and the prison system shouldn't punish them the same.

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01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's where and that's why I keep saying, like,

1533
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 5: we got to feed these people like it, you know,

1534
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 5: you just don't know, right, Like we got to take

1535
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 5: care of them. It's our we have agreed as a

1536
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 5: civilized society that this is the punishment. We all agree

1537
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 5: on it. We got to feed them, We got to

1538
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 5: make sure they're safe. And you know that's I agree

1539
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:14,799
Speaker 5: one hundred percent. Thank you for the talk about.

1540
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,639
Speaker 2: But with all due respect though he murdered four people

1541
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 2: and if he missed lunch, he wasn't going to die.

1542
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 2: I know, I agree. I miss lunch today because we

1543
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 2: were all working, right, what it happens how many people

1544
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 2: miss lunch. It's a slippery slope.

1545
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 4: You are not in custody, Stephanie, and so when you

1546
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, because then it is Listen,

1547
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 4: I don't want this guy having some pampered life.

1548
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 2: No, I mean neither at all, But I do say

1549
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 2: it again. Just it's a slippery slope because then you know,

1550
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 2: we are what a nation of torture is. I don't know.

1551
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 2: It's hard to get behind. We are the United States

1552
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 2: of America.

1553
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 5: We're supposed to be like, you know, the beacon of

1554
01:24:56,479 --> 01:25:00,759
Speaker 5: rights and human you know, ability to forgive me change

1555
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 5: and you.

1556
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 2: Know, reciting I'm just saying it just makes me crazy,

1557
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 2: specifically about him, I mean honestly.

1558
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 5: Know, but yet you do it to him. Then it

1559
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 5: comes to the next time. Maybe it's the war on

1560
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 5: childer rapist, you know, like and we know.

1561
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 2: Very good people who are serving time that we are

1562
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: good people that of course deserve their lunch. So I

1563
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 2: hear it, point taken, I say, I stand correct.

1564
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 4: Well, listen, if you have anything else to correct us on,

1565
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 4: probably me about my mispronunciation of everything, me too, give

1566
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 4: us a call. We're at eight eight eight three one crime.

1567
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 4: It is talked back Tuesday. But I have I have

1568
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 4: an interesting thing about another prisoner, Luigi Mangione. Oh gosh,

1569
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 4: and so he Lui Mangione. He is being held and

1570
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,799
Speaker 4: has not had trial for murdering the CEO of United

1571
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 4: Healthcare on the street.

1572
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 2: Right, okay, with the builded gun.

1573
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 4: Right, that's right, put the printed gun okay. So he

1574
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 4: and much has been said about his looks and his

1575
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 4: conventionally attractive looks.

1576
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 2: How do you pronounce sheen? Sa? You did? I say

1577
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 2: the word? That's what h e? I n Also for

1578
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 2: probably a lot of tariffs coming up soon. Yeah, Sheen

1579
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 2: is like a fast fabric, kind of fast fashion sheets,

1580
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Somehow, I think they sell everything.

1581
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 2: I don't even know what.

1582
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 13: She's clothing, everything, but fast fashion. You can get it

1583
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 13: really quickly, really cheap.

1584
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 8: Right.

1585
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 4: Well, they in their newest one of their newest ad campaigns,

1586
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 4: it looks like Luigi man Gione.

1587
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 2: Right, so I don't know. It can't be him. He

1588
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 2: is behind bars? Is it ai?

1589
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 5: And what is doing with When you look at the

1590
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 5: photos of the camp the campaign, he's like in this

1591
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 5: like white shirt and he's like modeling. His eyes look

1592
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 5: like Uncanny Valley a little bit, right, like they're very weird.

1593
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 2: It's a it's got to be a or is it

1594
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 2: just a model who happens to resemble Luigi? And they

1595
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 2: used him because Luigi is getting a lot.

1596
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 5: Of celebrity, and that's the reason I don't think it's

1597
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 5: that is they've already taken it down.

1598
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 13: But either way, how gross did they exactly?

1599
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 14: I actually went to the shirt page.

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01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 2: You did?

1601
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1602
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 2: So Sam, Sam, say it loud, say it clear.

1603
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 14: So I think this is total photoshop. Like if you

1604
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 14: look at the other photos, it is like that print

1605
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 14: but for like different types of clothing. And some of

1606
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 14: the comments stay back to like pepril. So I think

1607
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 14: whoever uploaded this probably like very recently or something. This

1608
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 14: is a lot older just today, right.

1609
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 2: Interesting? So what does that say though, Because regardless of

1610
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 2: whether or not a AI or it's a professional model

1611
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 2: who happens to resemble, you know, killer or accused killer

1612
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 2: Luigi Mangione, what does it say that we're even wanting

1613
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:18,600
Speaker 2: a face of someone who's been accused of homicide in

1614
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 2: the first degree, a federal offense. He's looking at potentially

1615
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 2: death for a federal crime by shooting a man in

1616
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:28,640
Speaker 2: cold blood with a printed gun on the streets of

1617
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 2: New York City outside the Hilton Hotel. What is that

1618
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 2: saying that we're putting this guy even up to be

1619
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 2: glorified I'll tell you what it says.

1620
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 5: It says we want to sell the shirt out and

1621
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 5: guess what, it worked. They sold every single That's what

1622
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 5: it says, Sam, did you buy the shirt?

1623
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 2: Sam? Did you buy it?

1624
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 7: Sam's wearing it right now, right now, card O, fair enough,

1625
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 7: no judgment, it's gone.

1626
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 13: I think it's said and depressing, and it's a sad

1627
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 13: sign with like what's next Sam, Sam Bundy for gap

1628
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 13: or something like. It's just I don't know, I just

1629
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 13: I don't think it's I think it's awful. But you know,

1630
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,600
Speaker 13: they're glorifying these people that really we shouldn't even be

1631
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 13: talking so much about.

1632
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 15: But not on this show, of course.

1633
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 2: But let's talk about talking about it. That's another it's

1634
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 2: a subject for a different day, talking about what we

1635
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 2: should be talking about, because it does stress me out

1636
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 2: a little bit that Luigia Mangion is being turned into

1637
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 2: a you know, a high class beefcake supermodel, even if

1638
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 2: it's just an AI generated version. But the fact that

1639
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 2: his shirt sold out, this guy did commit a very

1640
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 2: serious crime. And how do you prevent copycats from happening

1641
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 2: if we're promoting and celebrating this type of behavior While Stephanie.

1642
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 5: I think you're in the head of the prosecution because

1643
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 5: they are bringing that up and something that we're probably

1644
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 5: going to be talking about tomorrow on the show. We're

1645
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 5: going to be doing kind of a deep dive into

1646
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 5: Luisi Mangeon and the present status of his case. There's

1647
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 5: been some information that's come out about why they're doing

1648
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 5: the death penalty federally, and it's been mentioned that they're

1649
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 5: concerned about copycats, which.

1650
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 2: You know, wow, that makes sense. They if they don't

1651
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 2: really drop the charge, if they don't really come down

1652
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 2: hard on this with a federal death sentence charge, then

1653
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 2: is that giving a false message to the world that

1654
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 2: you commit a crime like this and suddenly you're off

1655
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 2: to the races and you're a sleb, right?

1656
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:32,839
Speaker 4: And is it just the fact that if you're charged

1657
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 4: federally then it can be a capital offense.

1658
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 2: I think that's New York doesn't have a death penalty,

1659
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 2: that's the answer, okay, right, and then they're making special

1660
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 2: circumstances and then federally okay, exaggerating circumstances. Right, it was

1661
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 2: like an act of terrorism almost, right.

1662
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 5: That's what they're saying. That's what they're saying We're going

1663
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 5: to talk about it tomorrow. We're going to do a whole, deep,

1664
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,759
Speaker 5: a lot to do tomorrow. We do know when tired,

1665
01:30:57,800 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 5: I said, we've got to do this tomorrow.

1666
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 2: All I'm exhausted just thinking about tomorrow, but I'm so

1667
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 2: excited to talk about tomorrow with everybody. So guys, great night.

1668
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 2: Listen tomorrow. There's a lot to cover, so we're gonna

1669
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 2: get at it bronto. We'll be back. We have Luigi

1670
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 2: Mangio and don't forget the DNA and the Long Island

1671
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 2: serial Killer.

1672
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:21,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, and don't forget leave us talkbacks for the don't

1673
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 5: f with Cat's True Crime and Chill section tomorrow. Like

1674
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 5: I have all these questions in my inbox constantly. Now's

1675
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:28,879
Speaker 5: your chance, leave us a talkback.

1676
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 2: This is True Crime tonight. We will see you tomorrow.

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01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 2: Good night, everybody, We say back,