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Speaker 1: First Date follow Up powered by the Advocates Injury Attorneys

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Speaker 1: online at advocatesla dot com.

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Speaker 2: Caleb is on the phone today for a first day

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Speaker 2: follow up and he's getting ghosted from a date that

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Speaker 2: he went on with a woman named McKenna. In a

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Speaker 2: few minutes, we'll call her in Sousha house why she's

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Speaker 2: ghosting him. But first, Caleb, how long has it been

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Speaker 2: since you heard from McKenna.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's see, I guess it's been it's been about

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Speaker 3: a week now. Yeah, since her we left things.

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Speaker 4: I mean, as far as I thought, we left things

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Speaker 4: pretty good. We had actually texted that same day later

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Speaker 4: to hang out again. She's seemed excited, So I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I don't know why it's been a week.

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Speaker 5: So well, then let's go backwards because you did have

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Speaker 5: an interaction with her that sounded good.

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Speaker 6: So when how did you meet her? What was your

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Speaker 6: date like?

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Speaker 4: Well, the date was great.

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Speaker 3: Well, I met her actually at a at a work

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Speaker 3: event several years ago and we went on a date

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Speaker 3: back then. We I guess, I know, I wasn't really

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Speaker 3: looking for anything serious after time.

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Speaker 4: I had some.

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Speaker 3: Family well and some work stuff going on, and I

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Speaker 3: could tell she seemed busy, but we we had a

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Speaker 3: great time.

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Speaker 4: Had some drinks. There was I thought some chemistry, and.

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Speaker 3: Uh wound up just kind of hanging out for the

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Speaker 3: night and that was it just sort of lost touch.

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Speaker 3: But at this point, you know, I guess it's been

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Speaker 3: I guess it had been almost six years. I reached

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Speaker 3: back out just to see what she was up to

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Speaker 3: and if she wanted to meet up, and she said yes.

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Speaker 4: I thought we had a great night.

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Speaker 3: We did some bar hopping, had some food. She had

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Speaker 3: to me drinks that night, I do remember. So she

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Speaker 3: wound up coming and staying at my place, but it

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Speaker 3: was in a sense, I mean we hung out, there

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Speaker 3: was some cuddling.

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Speaker 4: Some kisses, whatever, but she left in the morning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had some coffee and I thought we were

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Speaker 3: going to do this again, and then I just did

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Speaker 3: not hear back from her.

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Speaker 4: And I'm so confused.

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Speaker 6: So did she say that she wanted to do it again?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I mean in the last text we were.

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Speaker 3: She was it was like she was just waiting for

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Speaker 3: me to reach out and kind of plan something. And

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Speaker 3: then when I reached right out, I just never heard anything.

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Speaker 6: Is there anything you can think of? There would be

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Speaker 6: a reason to get ghosted.

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Speaker 3: I've racked my brain, like I saw the I guess

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Speaker 3: I had so my ex girlfriend, which has been months

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Speaker 3: and months ago.

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Speaker 4: I know she had left some stuff in the apartment.

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Speaker 3: I got rid of a lot of it, but I

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Speaker 3: did I noticed a couple of days ago there's like

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Speaker 3: a pretty yodor stick was still like in that side

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Speaker 4: Saw that and thought something was going on. But I'm

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Speaker 4: kind of grabbing at straws. I mean, I just I

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Speaker 5: I've seen shampoo in the shower before that was a

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Speaker 5: woman's and I was like, I don't know about all

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Speaker 5: this really, Yeah, didn't.

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Speaker 6: Make me feel good. Yeah, that could be a reason.

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Speaker 6: I get.

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Speaker 4: I get that. It's just she could have asked.

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Speaker 6: Well, we'll see if we can figure it out for you.

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Speaker 2: Then we'll play a song come back, and then call

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Speaker 2: her and see if she'll tell us why she's ghosting

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Speaker 2: you and get you maybe get you another date.

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Speaker 6: Okay, cool, thank you, all right, we'll play a.

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Speaker 2: Song, come back, and get your first day follow up next.

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Speaker 2: Right in the middle of your first day follow up

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Speaker 2: if you're just joining us, Caleb is on the phone

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Speaker 2: and he's getting ghosted by McKenna. So in a second,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna call her and see if she tell us

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Speaker 2: why she's ghosting him and maybe get him another date.

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Speaker 2: But first, Caleb, why don't you refresh our memory on

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Speaker 2: her date with McKenna.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So McKenna and I had a great date. This was

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Speaker 3: the second time I reached out here years ago. Timing

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Speaker 3: wasn't right, but yeah, I thought we really hit it

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Speaker 4: Everything seemed cool. We have plans to move forward. And

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Speaker 4: then it's been a week now and I cannot get

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Speaker 3: I I my ex girlfriend had left some stuff at

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Speaker 3: the house with deodorant something. Maybe maybe that had something

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Speaker 3: But I'm racking my brain just trying to figure out.

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Speaker 3: Because we had a great time, chemistry was there her?

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Speaker 6: All right? Are you ready for us to call her?

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Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, yeah, okay, here we go.

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Speaker 6: Hello, Hi, Mas, speak to McKenna. Please. This is McKenna.

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Speaker 2: McKenna, how are you. This is Jubel. I'm calling from

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Speaker 2: a radio show. It's called The Jubil Show.

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Speaker 6: Him McKenna. I'm Nina also on the show. Hi, I'm Victoria.

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Speaker 6: Hi how are you?

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Speaker 7: I'm good.

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Speaker 6: Have you ever listened to the show before?

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Speaker 1: I yes, I've listened to it, and so I'm just

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Speaker 1: curious what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, we do a segment called the First Day

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Speaker 2: follow Up. That's where if you go out with somebody

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Speaker 2: on a date and you ghost him, they can email

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Speaker 2: us to get you on the phone and ask you

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Speaker 2: why you're ghosting them.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, do you have.

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Speaker 6: Any idea who would ask us to call you?

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Speaker 1: I have some thoughts, but I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 6: His name is Caleb. Was that your thoughts?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Caleb emailed us, told us about your date and said

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Speaker 2: he had a great time and he's wondering why you're

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Speaker 2: not calling him back.

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Speaker 7: I mean, we.

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Speaker 1: Did have a great time, and you know, I had

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Speaker 1: liked him before when we met at a work party

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Speaker 1: years before, and so I was excited to hear from him.

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Speaker 7: And we went to.

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Speaker 1: A bunch of bars and I had a little too

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Speaker 1: much to drink, and he was really kind enough and

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Speaker 1: took care of me, and I had a great time, and.

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Speaker 7: You know, you want to kind of follow up what

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Speaker 4: Up too.

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Speaker 7: And so it just happened to have.

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Speaker 1: Seen his ig like the night before we went out,

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Speaker 1: and then afterwards, I just wanted to see if there

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Speaker 1: was anything on there, and I noticed that he had

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Speaker 1: followed a bunch of people, and so when I looked

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Speaker 1: to see it, he randomly followed like ten bikini models.

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Speaker 1: And I showed it to my girlfriend and she said,

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Speaker 1: it's like a red flag. And so I'm just really

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Speaker 1: not about that vibe. If that's what he wants, then

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Speaker 1: that's fine. I don't need to, you know, get involved

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Speaker 1: with someone who's about that.

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Speaker 4: Wait are you are you stalking me?

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Speaker 2: That's Caleb. Caleb is actually on the phone listening and

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Speaker 2: wants to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Uh wait, yeah, you're on my Instagram looking at who

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Speaker 3: I'm following.

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Speaker 7: What is that about?

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen you in six years and pop into

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Speaker 1: my DM and of course I'm going to look at

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Speaker 7: It's normal, and well.

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Speaker 4: So following people on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand a bikini models like you know that

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Speaker 1: after you spent time with me and we had a

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Speaker 1: good time, and your go to is to go follow

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Speaker 1: bikini models.

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Speaker 4: No, that all that is is eye candy. It doesn't

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Speaker 4: even mean anything. It's just, yeah, it's what guys do.

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Speaker 1: My guy.

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Speaker 7: After spending time with me. Yes, you're You're correct, a

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Speaker 7: typical guy.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I don't want, is a typical guy

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Speaker 1: who's gonna follow bikini models after spending time with me.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well I probably don't need somebody policing what I

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Speaker 3: can look at and interact with. I thought we had

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Speaker 3: a great time together.

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Speaker 7: It happened relatively.

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Speaker 1: I thought you were adorable, and then I just noticed

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Speaker 1: and it was it's what people do, and you haven't

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Speaker 1: seen each other for six years, is to see.

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Speaker 7: And you're the one that DM me on your account.

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Speaker 7: Of course I'm gonna look at your ID.

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Speaker 5: Why are you following beginni models?

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Speaker 3: Well, in my defense, I after our date, I went

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Speaker 3: hung out with my buddies and Nick was there.

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Speaker 4: I told you about Nick.

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Speaker 3: We were all watching some of the old older Olympics

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize I was following them anyway, But if

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Speaker 4: I followed them. That shouldn't be a problem. It's just

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Speaker 1: Do you Your guy friend followed fifteen bikini models all

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Speaker 1: at the same time, and he just happened to go

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Speaker 3: I mean he added some and then we were going

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Speaker 4: It didn't Matt, it was just stupid. We were just

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Speaker 4: looking at girls. I was honestly so excited about the date.

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Speaker 3: That's how it all started. As I was talking about you,

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Speaker 3: and I showed them a photos and that's where they

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Speaker 5: McKenna, What is it about these bikini models that's making

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Speaker 5: you so upset?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like, I don't know. I just

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Speaker 1: it was literally after our date. I like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: the timing of it. And so then it just seems

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Speaker 1: like he's not serious. I'm looking for someone serious. If

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Speaker 1: he wants eye candy, go get the eye candy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I believe like I'm a beautiful woman and I deserve

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Speaker 1: someone whose attention is.

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Speaker 7: On and not on bikini models that he may never

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Speaker 7: ever meet.

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Speaker 6: She wants to be your eye candy, Caleb.

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Speaker 4: McKenna, you are my eye candy.

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Speaker 3: These girls on Instagram it's all fake anyway, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: add up to anything.

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Speaker 4: It's a pipe dream. You're the real deal, O me that.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make sadak to do that immediately after our date, Like,

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Speaker 1: why would you do that? I mean we had a

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Speaker 1: great time. It just ruined my perception of you. If

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Speaker 1: that is what is more important to you? Is this

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Speaker 1: eye candy girls? Like there it was and it wasn't

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just one. It was like, it's not like

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Speaker 1: a million to the fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Well you, I mean, yeah, I followed.

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Speaker 3: I followed some girls, but you followed Chris Hemsworth like

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Speaker 3: right after, Well, how do you know that?

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Speaker 1: So you looked at my account? Is that what you're saying?

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Speaker 1: After your crap about looking at your account?

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Speaker 4: So you brought itself. It didn't actually bother.

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Speaker 1: Me, But you're throwing it back in my face something

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Speaker 1: that you said that was wrong for me to do.

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Speaker 7: You were throwing it back in my face.

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Speaker 6: That's kind of cute. Guys.

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Speaker 2: You're stalking each other. It's like you guys have been

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Speaker 2: together for a while. McKenna, would you like another day

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Speaker 2: with Caleb? Will pay for it?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I mean if that's his go to right after a date, like, I,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't need to be worrying about if

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Speaker 1: he's looking at other girls.

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Speaker 7: That's what I don't want to be worrying about.

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Speaker 1: And if that's his immediate reaction after our first date,

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Speaker 1: then I I don't want that kind of energy.

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Speaker 6: So he made you feel insecure right away?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm pretty secure, But if

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Speaker 1: that's that's what your go to is after our date, like,

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Speaker 1: that's not the energy that I want. I, for.

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Speaker 3: One, don't need my social interactions micromanaged. And it does

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Speaker 3: sound like an insecurity issue to me, which shouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Exist, but that's what it sounds like.

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Speaker 7: Well, good luck to you with those bikini models girls.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, mckennaugh, thank you, And good luck with Chris Hensworth.

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Speaker 6: I really think you guys should go on another day.

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Speaker 4: Jubile's First Date follow up