1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: All right, second hour of playing Buck kicks off now. 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Andy McCarthy is with US of National Review and Fox 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: News twenty plus years Federal prosecutor, Southern District of New York. Andy, Andy, 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: I feel like I haven't talked to you about two days. 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: So what do you see here? Man? I mean, so 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: this one comes down just first, you know, the indictment 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: was posted before it was done. What do you make 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: of that? Is there any issue there that creates for 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: this process? And then just the ninety eight pages, I mean, 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: what sticks out to you? What are your biggest takeaways 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: right now? 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think much of the. 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 3: Misfiling or the misspublication by the clerk's office. 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: I think I didn't either. 15 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, we could probably deduce that that's part of why 16 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: they stayed so late. They didn't want that to be 17 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: a continuing story. They wanted to just sort of get 18 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: on with it. But I don't think it'll amount to 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: anything as far as the case is concerned. 20 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: I just think that, you know, I had an open 21 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 3: mind about this because in our system, it's really up 22 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 3: to the states to police elections and to carry out elections. 23 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: So I thought that she would have a better array 24 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 3: of statutes than Jack Smith did in trying to like 25 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: sort of force a federal election interference case on using 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 3: statutes that really aren't designed to police elections. 27 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: And there is you know, I think there is some 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: of that in her indictment, but I think by and 29 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 2: large she makes a big mistake going the RICO route. 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: I don't really I know. 31 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 3: She says that she's had experience in that regard. I 32 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: don't grasp here wren get Here reading this that she 33 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 3: has a great grasp on what RICO is and why 34 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: you use it. But it just seems to me that 35 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: the big hole in her case, and I'm talking specifically 36 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: about count one, the seventy one page one hundred and 37 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: sixty something acts of overt acts of conspiracy, which is 38 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: the framework she wants people to understand her case in. 39 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: I think the. 40 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: Problem that she has is any good prosecutor would want 41 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 3: just a plain old conspiracy, like straight line conspiracy is 42 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 3: just two or more people agree to do something that 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: is a crime under federal under the penal law of 44 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: the jurisdiction. And the problem is the objective here of 45 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: this this kind of rambling group that she's put together 46 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: as if it were one entity. The objective was to 47 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 3: retain Trump in office, which in and of itself is 48 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 3: not a crime, and that's not a problem. She can 49 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 3: make go away by trying to turn the thing into 50 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: a rico as opposed to some other kind of a conspiracy. 51 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: So how much jeopardy do you think Trump is in? 52 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: You know, what you've given us, I think is right 53 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: your assessment of the legal realities of this as it 54 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: pertains to what should be the case. But she's brought this. 55 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people, think eighteen other people, including 56 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: eighteen other people other than Trump. Do you think Trump 57 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: should be his should a team be concerned? I mean, 58 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: it feels like he can't get pardoned on this one. 59 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: At least he can't pardon himself. It's not federal. You know, 60 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: you wrote the piece right in the New York Post 61 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: that this one, this one is concerning in terms of 62 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: the threat to the legal threat to Trump or No. 63 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I did, and what I said the headline on 64 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: that column didn't quite match up with what I argued. 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: What I said was, it's not so much the most 66 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: perilous threat to Trump as it is the most enduring 67 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 3: threat to Trump. 68 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: And what I don't mean to be legalistic in that distinction. 69 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: It's it's not so much the. 70 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: Strength of the case, it's the thing you just referred to. 71 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 3: If he gets convicted here of anything, and he's you 72 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: know this forty one chunts forty one counts here. I 73 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: don't know how many he's charging off the top of 74 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 3: my head's probably like six or seven or more. 75 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: But you know, if he gets convicted. 76 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: On any of these counts, even if I don't think 77 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: much of the Rico count, he not only runs the 78 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: risk of a prison sentence, he can't be pardoned, you know. 79 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: So with the federal stuff, there's the way that he 80 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 3: is confronting those cases. There's an element of delay seeking 81 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: in his strategy because he knows if he can push 82 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: the cases far enough into next year and potentially beyond, 83 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 3: than if a Republican whether it's Trump or not, wins 84 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 3: the election, you either have the Justice Department dismissed the 85 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: case or if he you know, if he's been convicted 86 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: in one of those cases by then, if he wins, 87 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: he can pardon or a Republican president to pardon here. 88 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: He can't do that if he gets convicted. That's you know, 89 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: it's not something he can shake off. 90 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: So how do you think that plays out? 91 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 4: Andy? 92 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: What does the trial get done before the election? And 93 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: do you think that some of the I mean she 94 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: wants to try them all at once? Also, how does 95 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: Trump plus the eighteen how does that play out? 96 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: Well? 97 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: I tried, Actually, I was the junior member of the 98 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 3: team when I was a young prosecutor on what I 99 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 3: think remains the longest federal criminal prosecution in American history 100 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: seventeen months. The Pizza connection case was a mafia organized 101 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 3: prime international racketeering case where we started out with twenty 102 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 3: two defendants and ended with nineteen. 103 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 2: Some of them were lost to natural causes, some not, 104 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: but you know, it's a The. 105 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 3: Reason the case took seventeen months is if you tried 106 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: any you know, one or four or five of them, 107 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 3: you could have done it in a finite period of time. Maybe, 108 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: but you know, if you're going to do all of 109 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: them in one case, it takes a long time. And 110 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 3: the other thing here, Buck, is that. 111 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: She's indicted a bunch of lawyers here. 112 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 3: You know, those lawyers are going to make like a 113 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 3: million motions. So her, you know, I heard her say that. 114 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: She expects to be able to get this case to 115 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 2: trial in six months. I'm like, good luck. I don't 116 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: think there's a prayer that she's going to get this 117 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: case to trial in six months. I think there's going 118 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: to be mammoth litigation here. And I also think that, 119 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: you know, the litigation is not going to be just 120 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,559 Speaker 2: to churn, you know, just to spin everyone's wheels. There's 121 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: problems with this case, and I think there's a good 122 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: chance that some of the council stick, but some of 123 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: the counts may not, including the Rico count, which I 124 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: think is is rickety. 125 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: And I think there's kind of a disconnect between the 126 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: strength of the case and the notoriety of the defendants 127 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 3: that she has targeted. So, for example, I think the 128 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: strongest counts that I what I've been able to study 129 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 3: of the indictment so far, I think, like, for example, 130 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 3: packing into the state election system is that's the kind 131 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: of thing I expected to see here. You know, a 132 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: crime that's directly related to the state's duty to protect 133 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: election integrity that they don't really have a federal analog. 134 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 3: It's not the kind of thing that Smith could have charge, 135 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: but she can charge because she's the state DA right, 136 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 3: But there's very little evidence that Trump's involved in that, 137 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: you know, so it just seems to me like the 138 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 3: strongest accounts gift to me, the less complicity there seems 139 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 3: to be with the main people that she's seeking headlines 140 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: on it. 141 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: Andy, I'm just curious. I mean, I think sometimes this, 142 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: you know, doing a little sitting across the chessboard can 143 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: be an interesting exercise. If you were a power mad 144 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: Democrat prosecutor and you were trying to get Trump in 145 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: this Georgia case, right, if you were taking over and 146 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: your mandate in life was anything to get a conviction 147 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump, any kind of conviction? Would you have 148 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: left off all the other eighteen left off the rico? Like, 149 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: what what would have been the smarter pathway from her 150 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: perspective where she just clearly wants a guilty verdict against him. 151 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, actually I think it may be worse than that. 152 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,119 Speaker 3: I think she mainly wanted to indict the case. 153 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: I'm not just to indict, Okay, yeah, yeah, well. 154 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: But because I think you know, we talked about the 155 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: pardon as part of the you know, it's a quirk 156 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: of state prosecutions versus the federal that you know, he 157 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: can't pardon this. The other quirk of state prosecutions. I 158 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: think that we always have to keep our eyes on 159 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: And I say this especially with Bragg. These are elected 160 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: Democrats who happen to be district attorneys. Right, They're not 161 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: like prosecutors who are appointed in the federal system, where 162 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 2: at least in theory, you get vetted by the Senate 163 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: to make sure you're not going to use your awesome 164 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 2: law enforcement power to go after your political enemies. Here, 165 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 2: going after your political enemies is good politics in these 166 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: blue cities, right, And she gets a lot of points 167 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: just by bringing this case. But if I were going 168 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: to go after Trump, I think the reason she brings 169 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: to RICO is she she wanted to bring this is like. 170 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 3: The fantasy case the Democrats, right, they're all racketeers, and 171 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 3: makes that she's. 172 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: Running everyone they hate. 173 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: Right, She's going for the she's going for the home 174 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: run on this one, Andy, Right, I mean, she's swinging. 175 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 3: But the only way she figured she could have could 176 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 3: hang that together is to bring it to the RICO. 177 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 3: If you wanted to convict Trump, then you boil the 178 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: case down to the few things that Trump did that 179 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 3: you can pin on them and focus on that, and 180 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 3: maybe you'd have a prayer getting the case to the 181 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: trial even if his dance guard wasn't already pretty. 182 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: Full with other engagements. But I don't think you know 183 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: this is this is not design. This is designed for 184 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 2: election campaign. 185 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: I got you so swinging for the fences here, like 186 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: going for the high you know, going all in top 187 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: count Rico and everything else. The victory in essence for 188 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: the prosecutor here, given its a political system and a 189 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: political uh you know political system that puts there in 190 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: the first place, is you brought the highest possible choir, Like, 191 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: no matter what it's upside for Fanny Willis at this point, right, 192 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: I mean politically speaking. 193 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know she didn't bring Jack Smith 194 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 3: brought the best case progressive legal charges against Trump. Right, 195 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 3: this is kind of like more like if Jen Sackey 196 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: wrote the criminal charges rather. 197 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 2: Than a lawyer, you know, And this is like the. 198 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 3: Democrat version of what the most twenty twenty election was 199 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 3: all about. 200 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: Do you think there's a real risk that they could 201 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: You know, there's so many I mean I was reading 202 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: them at the top of the show, Andy, there's so 203 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: many of these counts. But things like you know, forgery 204 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: in the first degree, false statement in writing these things 205 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: up here. You know, the problem with the Florida case 206 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: for Trump, it seems to all of us, is even 207 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: if you think the documents were fine for him to 208 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: have or whatever, and put that aside, I don't think 209 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: you do think the documents were fine for him to have, 210 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: But even if they were, the way he reacted to 211 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: the process may be a part of his problem there. Right, 212 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: that's fair to say. Is there anything like that here 213 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: that could jam Trump up? Meaning that the big stuff 214 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: They go, no, he's not guilty, but like, yeah, they 215 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: signed this thing and it's a sworn declaration, and now 216 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: we've got you know what I mean? 217 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, And I think that we're all gonna 218 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: need to sort of digest this a little more than 219 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: I've been able to. But I feel like going through 220 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 2: this so far, every place I've kicked the tires, I've 221 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: found problems. I've never been blown away by the fake 222 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 2: electors thing. 223 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: The fake Electors thing to me is just like it's 224 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: the Russia. It's the post twenty twenty election equivalent of 225 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: what Russia Gate they used to complain about all the 226 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 3: time about Trump supposedly telling Putin that he should hack Hillary. 227 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: You know, like, if you're listening Russia, I hope that 228 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: you're you know, fun the. 229 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: Thirty thousand email, yeah, twenty sixteen, Yeah, sure, Yeah. 230 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 2: So that was like the stupidest I mean, even Moa 231 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 2: repeated it in his indictments, and I always thought it 232 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 2: was the stupidest claim because like by the time he 233 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 2: said that, first of all, he was obviously just trying 234 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: to show, you know, draw attention to how reckless she 235 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: had been with national security information. But by then, like 236 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: the FBI had Hillary servers, there was no way they 237 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: could have been at you know, the whole. 238 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 3: Thing was stupid, but they repeated it again and again 239 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: and again. And I think the fake Electors to me 240 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 3: has been is a kind to that in the sense 241 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 3: that you guys remember January. 242 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 2: Sixth as well as I do. 243 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: The fake electors were not a thing. You know, they 244 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: read in the in these indictments a lot bigger and 245 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: bolder the same thing in the January sixth committee hearings. 246 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 3: They're a lot bigger issue in the retelling than they 247 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: were at the time. Nobody believed those people were certified 248 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 3: state electors. I you know, if there hadn't been a riot, 249 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: I don't think it would have. You know, it wouldn't 250 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: have taken ten seconds if somebody was stupid enough to 251 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: raise the you know, they contention that they were legitimate electors, 252 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 3: that would have been given the back of the hand 253 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 3: in nothing flat. So you know, to treat that like 254 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: it's the crime of the century, which seems to be 255 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 3: the objective here. I've always thought that, like those people, 256 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 3: let's put a couple of knuckleheads in the Trump. 257 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: Strategy team aside. The people in the States thought that 258 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: they were not fake electors. They thought they were contingent electors. 259 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: Their idea was. 260 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: That if Trump managed to get the thing overturned in 261 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 3: the state courts or in the legislature, then they stood 262 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: ready to be the slight of electors if the election 263 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 3: result got legitimately overturned. 264 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 2: But nobody had in Washington thought yeah on January sixth, 265 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: but they were legitimate electors. So you know, I just 266 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 2: think if that's what. 267 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 3: You're hanging your hat on as a juror, I would 268 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: have a hard time with that. 269 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: You think that Trump is in whenever these trials actually happened, 270 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: Do you think he's in pretty good shape to beat 271 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: all four. 272 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: Man, it's what's he up to now? One hundred and 273 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: twenty counts? Well, no, I guess what's it. I mean, 274 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 2: it's it was eighty going into this one, right, and 275 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: is he in like six or seven or eight here? 276 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: So you know, I mean it's hard to beat every 277 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: single count. And there is stuff that went on here 278 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: that they may be able to say. You know, state 279 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: conspiracy law tends to be not as prosecutor friendly as 280 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: federal conspiracy law does. But if this were a federal case, 281 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: I would I would argue that Trump would have a 282 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: big problem if you get like a good state crime, 283 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: like they got access, like they hacked into the state system, say, 284 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: and they got access to the voter information, and there 285 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: was any evidence that Trump had either green lighted that 286 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: or that he knew about it and sort of like 287 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: nodded and said, yeah, that's a good idea with something 288 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: like that, right, they he'd have a. 289 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 3: Problem, you know, And there's so many counts, you don't know, 290 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 3: it's hard to say off the top of your head, 291 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: you know, which, what of all the things he's. 292 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: Been charged with, what falls into that category. 293 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: This was my concern to Andy, because I remember from 294 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: government days things like official misuse of computer sounds very 295 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: administrative and whatever, but it's kind of a you did 296 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: or you didn't, and if they decide to throw the 297 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: book at you, it can actually be really nasty. 298 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. And I think that's what 299 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 3: strikes me about this indictment so far, is that the 300 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 3: more puny the charges seem to sound, the more strong 301 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: they probably are or was there really you know, state 302 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: election law stuff, Whereas the more grandiose, like the big 303 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 3: Rico conspiracy that gets everyone in I am so like 304 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 3: underwhelmed by that. 305 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't tell you. 306 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: All right, Andy McCarthy, everybody, Andy, we'll keep you on 307 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: speed dial. 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Brian Camp, the Governor of Georgia, in 333 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: the last hour, in response to Donald Trump, directly shared 334 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: this on Twitter. It's already been seeing over a million times. 335 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: The twenty twenty election in Georgia was not stolen. For 336 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,479 Speaker 1: nearly three years now, anyone with evidence of fraud has 337 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: failed to come forward under oath and prove anything in 338 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: a court of law. Our elections in Georgia are secure, 339 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: accessible and fair and will continue to be as long 340 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: as I am governor. The future of our country is 341 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: at stake in twenty twenty four and that must be 342 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: our focus. Well, what do you think about that? That's 343 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: the governor of Georgia. We will address that, my friends 344 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 1: coming back here in just a moment. That's uh, that's 345 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: a shot across the bow. The team at my Pillow 346 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: does a lot of things right high among them producing 347 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: top quality products at amazing value. One of those products 348 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: is they're Giza dream Sheets. These are the very comfortable 349 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: sheets made with the softest cotton found in the Geezer 350 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: region of Egypt, which is where you produce some of 351 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: the best cotton in the world. 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My parents have Geeza dream sheets. 361 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: Go online now, go to my pillow dot com, click 362 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: on radio list specials. Check out their sale on the 363 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: Geeza dream sheets. Use code clay and buck that's codeclayandbucket 364 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: MyPillow dot com. Or call eight hundred and seven nine 365 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: two six nine. Yeah. So Camp came out and just 366 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: straight up said there was no fraud in Georgia, no 367 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: meaningful fraud in the election. Uh, friends, let's just let's 368 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: just call this what it is. I mean, he's he's 369 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: uh saying, you know, Trump, you're on your own, you 370 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: made your bed, you sleep in, and I mean there 371 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: is man I there is no love lost between these two, 372 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: that is for sure. You would think they're given the 373 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: stakes here, uh, and what's going on for the country, 374 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: that perhaps the personal enemis might take a back seat. 375 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: But as you see all throughout history with powerful men 376 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: powerful people, ego can be quite a driver of things 377 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: between individuals, whether it's you know, generals at a time 378 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: of war or you name it. So, yeah, Kemp is 379 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: not helping Trump out. That I think is quite clear, 380 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: and in fact, is effectively saying that he's calling Trump. 381 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: Can we just be he's calling Trump a liar, That's 382 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's saying Trump is lying about the election. 383 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: Trump has put out in his truth social post that 384 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: there's going to be a press conference on Monday, this 385 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: coming Monday, and obviously MoU will have to wait and 386 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: see what's in. I don't know what he's going to say. 387 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: My assumption is based on what Trump has already put forward, 388 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: that it's supposed to show definitively that there was a 389 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: lot of fraud or even some fraud, or even a 390 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: reasonable belief, reasonable belief of some of the fraud that 391 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: he thought happened or that was thought by the Trump 392 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: team who have happened in Georgia would seem to invalidate certainly, 393 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: this whole Rico charge and all the stuff that you're 394 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: seeing now thrown at Trump plus the is it the 395 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: Trump eighteen now Trump plus eighteen other defendants, Rudy Giuliani. 396 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: They're going after Rudy, They're going after Jenna Ellis, They're 397 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: going after Mark Meadows, former White House Chief of Staff, So, yeah, 398 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: when was the last time a Democrat had all the 399 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: people who worked for him, including a powerful Democrat in 400 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: elected office, had all the people working for him, including 401 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: his attorneys, indicted. Think about that for a second. The 402 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: attorneys are all big. You would think that they would 403 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: know something about the law and whether or not they 404 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: are breaking it. But you are to believe that all 405 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: these different attorneys were putting their careers and their freedom 406 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: on the line based on what they knew to be 407 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: a crime at the time. I think about that, I 408 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: don't buy it, right, That doesn't hold up. It doesn't 409 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: make sense. What do you think about it? Well, let's 410 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: take some of your calls. Here. We have Bill in Michigan. Bill, 411 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: what's going on? 412 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 4: Hey, not much on my way up to the Upper Peninsula. 413 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 4: And what a perfect segue into my comments is Brian 414 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 4: Kim Republicans are whiners. Democrats are winners. Where are the Republicans? 415 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 4: Where's Kevin McCarthy, Where's Mitch McConnell, Chuck Grassley. Occasionally hear 416 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 4: from Ron Johnson or Jim Jordan. You will never hear 417 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 4: a Democrat stray from the party and from their talking. 418 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 4: It's pathetic. It's been going on for too long, and 419 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 4: the Republicans, I'm just thinking they just don't care. It's 420 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 4: easier for them to follow than it is for them 421 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 4: to lead, and unfortunately the country is in dire straits 422 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 4: and no one, including our Republican leadership, cares. 423 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for calling in. And I do 424 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: think that I think that this is a big problem 425 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: that Republicans have, is that within our own side there 426 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: is a lack of understanding of the big picture and 427 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: what's really at stake. There are a lot of people 428 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: who are still desperate on the right for a pat 429 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: on the head from the New York Times, so to speak. 430 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: They want to be what they want. That strange new 431 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: found respect of some libs of prominence to say, well, 432 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: he's one of the good ones or she's one of 433 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: the truth tellers, and they just use you for a 434 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: little bit to undermine everything that the right is trying 435 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: to accomplish in this country, which is really the salvation 436 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: of this country from the destructive Democrat lunatics. And you 437 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: start to say, why is it that there's there's no 438 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: fear among Democrats that when push comes to shove, Democrats 439 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: won't be there for each other. On the really important 440 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: stuff and on our side. I think it's a fair point. 441 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: I think we see it playing out a lot. Mark 442 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: in San Antonio's got some thoughts, Mark, what's going on? 443 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 2: Hi there? Yeah? I actually have been infuriated with a 444 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: lot of what's been going on with the Democrats at 445 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: Deep State all that. However, I finally stumbled across something 446 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: that I that suddenly helped things make sense and frankly 447 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: made it easier to predict what they were going to 448 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 2: do next. And all. I appreciate everything you've been doing 449 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 2: to explain kind of the rationale and the merits behind 450 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: the legal side and the political implications of what these 451 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 2: operatives are doing the DA and all that. I think 452 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: we need to look at this through the lens of 453 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: a crime lord and a criminal cartel. And specifically, for example, 454 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: if you know Christians look at things is you know 455 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 2: what would in this case, what would Jesus do? 456 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 3: Well? 457 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 2: I think we need to look at the same way 458 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: with the Democrats and the Deep State is if Pablo 459 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: Escobar was in their shoes or al Capone picked a 460 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 2: crime lord, what would they do if they controlled the 461 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 2: Ace Office, if they had associates to control the voting machines, 462 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 2: if they had associates to control the media. What would 463 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 2: a crime lord do in this particular situation. And suddenly 464 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: a lot of the things that they've already done seem 465 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: to make a lot more sense, and a lot of 466 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: the things that they may do in the future seem 467 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: to point to very specific things that a crime lord 468 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 2: would be more willing to do than everyday Americans. And 469 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: I would encourage you to kind of take a look 470 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 2: at it through that filter, because when you look at 471 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: it through the through the eyes of a criminal, suddenly 472 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 2: a path forward is a lot more apparent, and it's 473 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: it's a little frightening. 474 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Mark, thanks for calling it from San Antonio. 475 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: I do think that as you'll notice something. And I 476 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: swear I've been a person who for over a decade 477 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: now has I have been screaming those of you who 478 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: listen to me when I was doing a Saturday show, 479 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: even at The Blaze for Glenn Beeck's The Blaze, you guys, remember, 480 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: I would say, the process is the punishment, the weaponization 481 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: is underway, and I would rattle off all of these cases, 482 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: these important cases of Republicans under legal assault for totally 483 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: unjust reasons other than we can take this guy out. 484 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: We can take him out right now, let's abuse the law, 485 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: let's lie, let's cheat, but we can use the law 486 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: to take him out. What is the ultimate power that 487 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: you can see in a place where there is no 488 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: rule of law. I don't like you. I throw you 489 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: in prison, because not only do you have a lack 490 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: of freedom, I mean you're incarcerated at that point, but 491 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: also there's imputed into that or not just implied, I 492 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: mean clearly there's a sense of you're the bad person 493 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: because you're the one who's in prison. You know, if 494 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: people don't understand the full depth of how corrupted the 495 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: system has been, or even worse than I think this 496 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: is the case in our country. A big part of 497 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: the American people, now, a big chunk of the American 498 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: people are on board for all of this, and they 499 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: want all of this right. So they're never going to 500 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: see it through the lens of the weaponization of legal process. 501 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: But I sit here and I put out this challenge. 502 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: Is what I used to do this original Saturday Squad 503 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: oss some of you remember this. I would say, Okay, 504 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: let's think of Republicans who have been unfairly targeted for 505 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: purely political purposes. Prominent. I don't mean, you know, local 506 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: dog catcher. No offense to dog catchers, although I do 507 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: love dogs, hopeully they're very nice to them. But is 508 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: that even does that even a job anymore? Are there 509 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: dog catchers like that's not even a thing? Probably people 510 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: running shelters. They're trying to get dogs in the nice homes. Anyway, 511 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: have this experiment play out. Sit there and say to yourself, 512 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: how many times have they gone after for the last 513 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: Decadey've gone after Republicans. You have Scott Perry in Texas. 514 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: Look what they tried to do to him for doing 515 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: his job. You have Scott Walker in Wisconsin. The go 516 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: google the John Doe investigations. It was stalinist what they 517 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: were doing. They were not only raiding people's homes at 518 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: six am to take their computers and their phones and everything. 519 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: They were then gagging them publicly from speaking about it 520 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: under a law meant to protect rape victims, but they 521 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: abused it to go after Scott Walker's team. Under the 522 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: there was coordination with a pack. Imagine someone shows up 523 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: at your home at six o'clock in the morning, armed 524 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: men with guns, long guns, rifles, tactical gear. Bangman, bang 525 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: at the door, knocking on the door, not shooting. You know, 526 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: we're here to take all your stuff. Why because some 527 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: Democrat operative politician and prosecutor says that you talk to 528 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: somebody who talked to somebody who's running a pack. Yeah, 529 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: that's what they were doing. Chris Christy Bridgegate. I know 530 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: a lot of you are the unhappy with Chris Christy. 531 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: He put that aside for a second. They tried he 532 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: was at one point a contender. He was at one 533 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: point tight with Trump, but they try to take him 534 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: out under a traffic jam that some of his underlings created. 535 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: Bob McDonald I've been screaming about the Bob McDonald cays, 536 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: and I said, look look at this. Prosecuted, a possible 537 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: presidential contender for the Republicans for not actually doing anything. 538 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: He didn't do anything, accepted gifts. His wife was like, 539 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: oh thank you for the rolex from a rich businessman. 540 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: Go to prison for that? 541 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 2: What? 542 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? Obviously Donald Trump rushed a collusion. And now what 543 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: we see with all the cases against them, Ted Stevens 544 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: exculpatory evidence hidden by federal prosecutors. They knew Ted Stevens 545 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: was innocent, and they hit it. As a matter of fact, 546 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: this is a matter public record. One of the prosecutors 547 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: that up committing suicides is legal career was over as 548 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: a result of this, but they wanted to take out 549 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: Ted Stevens. That then led to a Democrat winning that 550 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: Senate sa it led to Obamacare. They play for keeps. 551 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: They have been doing this and setting the I'm probably 552 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: leaving some off by the way. 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And 587 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: we have sarab Amari, who some of you will know 588 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: from his time at the Wall Street Journal editorial as 589 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: an editorial writer for Wall Street Journal. He's got a 590 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: new book out, Tyranny Incorporated, and we're gonna talk to 591 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: him in the back half of the next hour. We're 592 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: gonna do a little more on what's going on here 593 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,959 Speaker 1: with the fourth indictment against Trump coming up. Takes more 594 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: of your calls on that as well. There's a bunch 595 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: of vip emails wanted to get to. We have Steve 596 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: who writes in where's the federal aid to Maui? Navy, 597 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: Coast Guard and hospital ships? What about hiring cruise ships 598 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: to housing feed survivors? Seriously, Joe, come on man, Steve 599 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: from Massachusetts. Steve, it's a very good point. And I 600 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: just want you all to know we haven't discussed Maui 601 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: yet on the show. The devastation there, the fires. We will. 602 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: We have our friend Will Kine, who spent a lot 603 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: of time in Lehina or Lehna. I'm sorry, might be 604 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: pronouncing it wrong. We spent a lot of who's He's 605 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time there and he's there now. 606 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: He's trying to raise money and awareness to help the 607 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: people of that community. I believe he has family who 608 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: lives there. So Will Caine of Fox News is going 609 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: to join us, I believe tomorrow on that and like 610 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: I said, he's on the ground, he's there, he's seeing it, 611 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: so he'll tell us what's been going on. It's it's 612 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: you feel terrible for the people there who lost their 613 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: homes and people lost their lives. I believe almost one 614 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: hundred of them so far. And then also just you 615 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: know the devastating fires. You watch this app and you 616 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: think of all the places I mean just Hawaii. I 617 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: mean I've been Hawaii a few times. It is one 618 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: of the most amazing and beautiful places on the planet, 619 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: and you just think that you're in paradise when you're there, 620 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: and you know things can happen no matter where you are. 621 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: That's clearly the truth. So we have Mark in Augusta, Georgia. Mark, 622 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: what's going on. 623 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 2: I just wanted to let you guys know how wrong 624 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 2: you were about camp. I tried to get through yesterday 625 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 2: but wasn't able to him didn't win that election. Stacey 626 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 2: Abrams lost it because of what she did in the 627 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 2: All Star Game and then her efforts to defund the police. 628 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 2: And she had just kept her mouth shut, she probably 629 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 2: would have won. Georgia. And Georgia's changed a lot over 630 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 2: the last ten years. And one of the main reasons 631 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 2: it's Georgia now Leans blue is an influx of Northerners 632 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 2: from you know, in the Atlanta metro area. And then 633 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 2: the main reason is the Democrat factory located in Athens. 634 00:34:54,200 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 2: The University of Georgia UGA actively campaigns for Democrats and 635 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 2: promote socialism. An example is Clark County, where Athens in 636 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 2: UGA is located. It's mostly rule except for Athens. Athens 637 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 2: in Clark County voted seventy percent for Stacy Abrams and 638 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 2: only thirty percent for Brian Kemp, who is from Athens 639 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 2: and went to the University of Georgia. 640 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean, so when you say Kemp didn't win your 641 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: I mean obviously Kemp did win the election, and he 642 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: won it the second time by a lot more than 643 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: he won it by the first time. It was basically 644 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: fifty forty eight and twenty eighteen. I think he won 645 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: by seven or eight points in reelection. So KEMP won 646 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: by a lot the second time around, And you're saying 647 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: Stacey Adams is about Canada. Clay's idea is the one about 648 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 1: the V I assume you're referring to the VP. Neither 649 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: of us think that's going to happen now, so just 650 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: and it was really more a question of what could 651 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: Trump do that would help him in a swing state. 652 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: But I think now the rift between those two couldn't 653 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: be any more clear, and there's no chance of patching 654 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: it up. Uh So, Yeah, And I'll and Clay can 655 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: address the VP thing more when he comes on, because 656 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: that was his idea, and I don't think he doesn't 657 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: believe that's gonna happen now either. But is Trump gonna win? 658 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: If Trump's nominee, is he gonna win Georgia this time? 659 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what That's what i'd ask you, sir. 660 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: What do you think? 661 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 2: I mean? He's basically establishment Republican kimp has and he always. 662 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: That's not what I asked you. I said, if Trump 663 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: is the Republican nominee, is he gonna win Georgia in 664 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: the next election? 665 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. 666 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: It'll be closing, Okay, thank you, all right. I mean, 667 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: you know, Republicans have been winning Georgia. Now they're not 668 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: winning Georgia for the for the presidency, or at least 669 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna be super close. So that's we got to 670 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: focus on how we can change that around. I don't 671 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: think the feud with Kemp and Trump is helpful for 672 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: the presidential aspirations there. I'm not I'm not even saying 673 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: who's to play for it. I'm just saying it's not good. 674 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: I just want us to win, like to find a 675 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: way to get that to happen. But Durshawitz has weighed 676 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: in on this one. We'll hear some of his analysis 677 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: coming up here in a few minutes. The dirsh and 678 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: I think some of you are gonna think he's spot 679 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: on and Trump's gonna get through this. We'll get to 680 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: that coming up. 681 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 5: Slay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.